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HUGGINS AND WITTEN, LLC

156 Duck Hill Road

Duxbury, Massachusetts 02332 and

132 Adams Street, Suite 7

Newton, Massachusetts 02458

781-934-0084

781-934-2666 (facsimile)

April 21, 2015

Thomas Donegan, Chairman

Board of Selectmen

Town of Provincetown

260 Commercial Street

Provincetown, MA 02657

RE: Application of BPJC, LLC, 350 Bradford Street, Provincetown, MA for Project

Eligibility Approval from MassHousing

Dear Chairman Donegan:

Please accept this letter on behalf of Cydney Berry, Elizabeth Read and James Turner,

Provincetown, Massachusetts in reference to the application for project eligibility approval

submitted to MassHousing by the BPJC, LLC (the “Applicant”) for a 24 dwelling unit

development (“proposed development”) off of Bradford Street in Provincetown, Massachusetts.

Welcome Town Manager

David Panagore

We wish you All the Best!

 

Thursday, September 3, 2015

Re: These Precious Few Days

 

It is amusing that so many people that complain about Provincetown's loss of community, are themselves not living here in the winter. I welcome the second homeowners with open arms as well as the thousands of weekly renters. I was able to by a large piece of property  and open a year round business because of these folks. Provincetown in the 70's and 80's closed down right after Labor Day. Nothing going on at all on Commercial Street. So please all of you folks that want to buy up the rest of these crappy old buildings, come on down.( BTW I do not have a real estate company).

9:37 am edt 

Re: These Precious Few Days
 
"This person's self absorbed ranting is so aggressively ignorant that it's almost laughable. That whole "I don't know about anything before I got here, so it doesn't matter" attitude is selfish, dismissive and amazingly rude. Perfect description of this person's beloved "new" Provincetown. "

I think what the poster was trying to do was call people out on their memory's accuracy. The 80's WAS a difficult time, and it's also the lowest population point in modern Provincetown. So those people looking back are remembering very selectively about what was going on, and what was not going on. The place back then was certainly not thriving. It was downtrodden and dying in fact. Is that what you maudlin people want back again? Decay, rampant population loss, disheveled houses, bad restaurants, and sick people coming to town to live out their lives in peace? Boy some of you really have selective memories. You also are living in fantasy land because that's never going to happen again in modern history. I'm sorry you can get a squat for cheap money. I'm sorry you can't live off your unemployment here anymore. But that's the way it's going to be well into the future. Times change. If you didn't and expect everything else to stay the same, here's your rude awakening. The choi!
ces were yours to make. If you didn't change and make the right ones, then that's your problem not the town's or the second homeowners nor even the first.
9:36 am edt 

Wednesday, September 2, 2015

Re: These Precious Few Days
Change is inevitable no matter what town what city or place. Whats is happening in Provincetown is simply change . its really not that hard to grasp. More affluent people are coming here and WANT and are buying larger homes and heres a news flash MANY of them are not second home owners its there primary address. I agree that its more difficult for people who don't have the means to stay here.  Affordable housing is part of the solution but only part because after u have the housing what do you have for these people to sustain themselves after the season is over and everything closes ???? and don't tell me unemployment or assistance . thats NOT the solution. the solution is for these so called leaders to bring something to the table and be innovative to keep Provincetown a little more then seasonal . I'm not saying its going to be a booming year round place however there is no way people with limited means can possibly have it both ways. THE TOWN IS CHANGING  you are not going to stop that or reverse that. So you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see this. Those that keep slamming second home owners and the more affluent are being totally ridiculous and don't see the big picture  NEWS FLASH  you NEEEED THESE PEOPLE to make YOUR living more affordable ,, ex  taxes , economic growth for the town ,  ex  shops,, restaurants .  How can you not see what these people bring to the town ??  The real problem is some people just can't afford to live here anymore and in life that happens and people need to make some choices. If life has become that unpleasant and you so bitter and angry perhaps relocation would be a better option giving the complainers a better life somewhere else. This is not meant to be mean spirited in anyway but i keep reading these posts and if i hated it here so much now i would move seems like the logical thing or just stop complain and figure away to co exist because heres another  NEWSFLASH ,,, things are not going back to the fishing village  things are moving forward faster then even i expected and the change is happening right before our eyes and not going to end anytime soon
9:25 pm edt 

Re: These Precious Few Days
"There are still fishermen and artists here. Just because all YOU care about is real estate and money, don't assume everyone else here shares your warped values. Believe it or not this town still has a soul. But since that has no monetary value, you wouldn't know or care about it."

So typical of an uninformed rant.  You don't like what was posted so you proceed to make up a haeful persona to go along with your self-delusions.  Nowhere in the original post did it mention anything that would suggest that the poster cared only about "real estate and money".

there are more than enough undesirable attributes in full timers and part timers to deserve your rage.  Please note that the ignorance is not confined to a single group but involves SOME of EVERY demographic. 
9:18 pm edt 

Re: Renters

 "Ptown has lost its community. I only have renters on my street ,A total of 9 houses,6 rent out weekly.
Please explain how this reinforces the community? "


Of course, it does not, but what laws would you like to see enacted to prevent/change this?  Take away all property rights, maybe?

9:16 pm edt 

Renters, Second Homeowers & Condos
 
If it weren't for them, our property taxes would be much much higher.
This way we get to enjoy the off season without the crowds and our taxes are almost nothing compared to the real world.
1:11 pm edt 

Renters

Ptown has lost its community. I only have renters on my street ,
A total of 9 houses,6 rent out weekly.
Please explain how this reinforces the community?
1:10 pm edt 

Re: Second Homeowners

 

Again and again the theme of hatred between the groups in town rears its ugly head on this blog.  This is in reference to the poster who's fondest wish is to see all of the second homes burn to the ground.  Why are you so bitter and hateful of second homeowners?  Are you the same poster who also expresses hatred toward business owners?  What other properties would you like to see burned down?

11:14 am edt 

Re: These Precious Few Days

 

"The (mainly) Portuguese fishing village you think you remember was long over by the time I first came to town in the early 80's. It's art days were also pretty far behind it. So I have no idea what you're talking about."


This person's self absorbed ranting is so aggressively ignorant that it's almost laughable. That whole "I don't know about anything before I got here, so it doesn't matter" attitude is selfish, dismissive and amazingly rude. Perfect description of this person's beloved "new" Provincetown.

There are still fishermen and artists here. Just because all YOU care about is real estate and money, don't assume everyone else here shares your warped values. Believe it or not this town still has a soul. But since that has no monetary value, you wouldn't know or care about it.

11:13 am edt 

Re: These Precious Few Days

"Where do you people come up with these things? Times change. You either change with them or die. There is no "old Provincetown" there is only "Provincetown" that isn't frozen in ice. It lives, changes, and has to keep up with the times."

If "change" includes putting up with elitist, selfish brats with NO decent manners but LOTS of bad behavior, I'll pass.  BTW, as far as some are concerned, Ptown is getting to b as much of a cultural wasteland as Florida always was.
11:10 am edt 

Re: A New Set of Renters Every Other Day

 " A significant owners of improved properties do so with the sole intention of renting their properties, and squeezing every dollar they can get from every single square inch."

Why is it that some people just love to post such foolishness without a shred of proof?  I'm sure that the poster of the above feels rather strongly about the subject, but that simply has no bearing on the veracity of the statement.  The poster has no idea of the number and percentages of people who are buying and fixing homes simply to rent them out.  Given the prices of real estate here and the costs of renovation, the ROI on what the poster thinks is a near-universal scheme to seek more wealth makes little sense. No doubt there are SOME who buy ,renovate and rent to help pay for the effort.  How many, I don't know and neither does the poster.    

11:09 am edt 

Re: A New Set of Renters Every Other Day

 

"They give us a revolving group of renters, no longer for the season, or for a week, but as airbnbers, every two or three days new faces coming in. Not even taxes does the town get for your rental business.  If this describes you, please do all of us a favor; stop calling yourself a Provincetown home owner.  You are merely a speculator, with a very limited interest in our community; your sole interests are those issues that affect your money-making machine of a commercial property you're posing as your "home". 
I will take a far less aesthetically pleasing home, any time, any day, over the so called pretty places churning a new set of renters every other day."


Excellent point. Kinda hard to feel like a community with the situation you described above.

11:07 am edt 

Re: Second Homeowners

"My fondest wish is that I can look out the rear view mirror as I leave this town and see all those "second homes" burning to the ground...give the land back to the coyotes, they have cleaner souls and better ethics."

Someone needs a checkup from the neck up.
11:05 am edt 

Tuesday, September 1, 2015

A New Set of Renters Every Other Day

 

I do notice and appreciate the efforts that many are making to better their homes, but here lies the key - the word home.  A significant owners of improved properties do so with the sole intention of renting their properties, and squeezing every dollar they can get from every single square inch.  They give us a revolving group of renters, no longer for the season, or for a week, but as airbnbers, every two or three days new faces coming in. Not even taxes does the town get for your rental business.  If this describes you, please do all of us a favor; stop calling yourself a Provincetown home owner.  You are merely a speculator, with a very limited interest in our community; your sole interests are those issues that affect your money-making machine of a commercial property you're posing as your "home".  I will take a far less aesthetically pleasing home, any time, any day, over the so called pretty places churning a new set of renters every other day. 

8:53 am edt 

Re: These Precious Few Days
 
"It's their town now, it isn't ours anymore. Whoever has the most money makes the rules.

Yeah, this place is a far cry from the Provincetown of days gone by, no doubt. I barely recognize it."

Where do you people come up with these things? Times change. You either change with them or die. There is no "old Provincetown" there is only "Provincetown" that isn't frozen in ice. It lives, changes, and has to keep up with the times. The (mainly) Portuguese fishing village you think you remember was long over by the time I first came to town in the early 80's. It's art days were also pretty far behind it. So I have no idea what you're talking about. The town, as I found it then, was dying, mostly ramshackle, and started filling up with mostly gay men who thought they were coming here to die. Great circumstances those 80's huh? Not so much. But boy, it was fun city while it lasted for the summer gay boys like me! The town has changed into a major tourist destination, looks way better, and is set up to do even better in the future. Yes, the town doesn't have a middle class, but that's far from unique to here. And perhaps as we go forward we can encourage that. But the town !
is never going backwards. Prices are never going down, the tip of the Cape will never get less desirable for summer tourists, and no matter how much you whine, it isn't going to change. Maybe it's time for you to move? Florida? Or too many old people running up the medical bills? Where to go for you? Or maybe you could just embrace it and help the town instead of crying for a past that never really was.
8:48 am edt 

Correction

 

Clarence - you might want to correct the spelling of "manger" in your red welcome to the new TM.

8:27 am edt 

Re: Second Homeowners

 

"High taxes! are you crazy! our taxes are nothing compared to the real world!!  Look at any other state in New England and you will be quiet!"

I agree that there are some here that whine about everything.  As far as taxes go, there are two considerations but the bottom line doesn't change.  and that is how many dollars do you pay.  The rate here may not be as high as other places but the assessed valuation is quite high. 

There are lots of places where people who own valuable property can be just about destitute because of ever increasing real estate taxes.  Frequently the taxes have increased at a much faster rate then there ability to pay them.  This is not unique to PT.

8:24 am edt 

Bottom Feeders

 

Damn, there sure are an awful lot of real estate agents spewing an awful lot of statistics on this blog lately.

Throw out all the numbers and statistics you want, you're still gonna be the least liked animal in Provincetown. Bottom feeders.

8:22 am edt 

Re: Second Homeowners

 

My fondest wish is that I can look out the rear view mirror as I leave this town and see all those "second homes" burning to the ground...give the land back to the coyotes, they have cleaner souls and better ethics.

8:19 am edt 

Re: Second Homeowners

 

No I don't like it. Why I got the hell out before every bit of joy was squeezed out of life. Visiting is fine. Done with all the rest. I made a choice. No regrets.

8:13 am edt 

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