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DEK: A letter from Provincetown


“L’Affaire Sal’s Place: Money and Meanness in the New Ptown."


By Peter Manso


The first thing you notice when you walk into the resurrected Sal’s Place, in the heart of Provincetown’s West End, is the hustle and bustle of a hot restaurant: the place is packed, the noise level is high, and the servers scoot nonstop to and from the close-set tables. There’s a museum-quality Hawthorne and other class art on the walls, but the place still has a fish shack feel, with exposed rafters and the rhythmic slop of the bay against the pilings on which the waterfront building partially sits. And the food—the Brodetto or Zuppa di Pesce that one Facebook blogger raves about as “so wonderful that Marcella [Hazen] herself would flip,”—well, let me tell you, the Zuppa is so sweet, so transporting in its plummy, tomato-y tannic richness as to have made Sal’s the vacation spot’s dining destination of choice near overnight.

All this was pretty much the word around town last summer when the fifty-four year old Sal’s Place reopened under new management. But the food wasn’t the only things people were talking about. There were also whispers that the owner—a single, self-described blue-collar woman who’d originally arrived in Boston from Tipperary at age 17—was at war with her neighbors—four wealthy men, all gay, who had recently bought the abutting properties for summer party pads, and wanted the place dead and shuttered. In fact, depending on who you knew, you might have heard about bouts of property destruction, interminable delays for the restaurant’s opening, and armies of lawyers getting rich on both sides.


As the not-so-secret knock-down-drag-out tumbled into public view, eating there became an almost political act. Now, after simmering all winter, locals in P-Town are waiting for the hostilities to start afresh.


One resident called the quarrel the “worst case of bullying” he’d come across in his 50 years in town. But you could just as well call the fight over Sal’s place a sort of battle for Provincetown’s soul in miniature—a David and Goliath story about whether the artists, fishermen, and non-mainstream types of all persuasions were still welcome in the new Ptown. Or is this haven at the end of the Cape destined to become an exclusive enclave for the rich gay elite?



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Friday, March 31, 2017

Re: Canteen

Rob is a 'sweet guy' just conform to the rules and regulations that everyone else has to adhere to and all will be fine. How about getting a Chapter 91 license and get all your Board approvals before you ask for 70 + seats from the BOS, will the town allow all the non-licensed chairs, stools, benches be used for seating over 39 on the first warm sunny day? We shall see? Get a Chapter 91 license before you take all the gallons from economic development pool.
10:12 pm edt 

Re: A Critical Observation 

You want that? Go to facebook This is where the real truth comes out where people can truly speak their minds.
10:11 pm edt 

Re: CVS to Cape Cod Commission

And now it will come to town.
The CCC will review all levels of regulation in the town and county from planning to growth management to traffic studies, conservation issues, water runoff, parking, massing, zoning, country regulations, comprehensive plan, EVERYTHING. From then, the town just rubber stamps the commissions work, no chance to local regulating.

Great job guys!! You just gave away the towns rights!!
10:09 pm edt 

Re: A Critical Observation
"The comments being made about the Town Manager, the BOS and Town Hall Staff and volunteers is not worthy of publication."
I beg to differ, the reason why the "web master" is letting these posts stand as written is because they are factual and he does care about this town, to do anything different would be irresponsible of him. It's soooo ironic that the same people who talk about the "web master" and his wife remains anonymous, but chastises people that have real concerns about retaliation and or retribution from town entities when they do the same. Not everybody has the intestinal fortitude and straight up guts like myself to speak openly about  these moralless, corrupt and unethical persons. Who shortly after announcing my intentions to run for office I will as once again the target of slanderous flyers posted on telephone poles and false allegations that ended in court precedings where as usual I was successful in defending myself against the BS nonsensical accusations, which has resulted in another criminal investigation against both Truro/Provincetown's chiefs of police and their flunkies. Regardless of the out come of this investigation there will be another civil suit filed against both towns to add to their almost dozen others which are being kept quiet. In case anyone was wondering, these are just some of the reasons why I am not running for selectmen.
P.S. This time it won't be settled out of court!
From Wayne Martin
10:03 pm edt 

Strong Feelings

What ridiculous and exaggerated claims?
10:00 pm edt 

A Critical Observation

The comments being made about the Town Manager, the BOS and Town Hall Staff and volunteers is not worthy of publication.

Shame on the webmaster, who purports to care about the town, and his wife who has also been a town hall committee member and currently serves. Shame. You are forcing your antiquated and prejudicial ideas/words and hurting the town you purport to love.

If you cared about Provincetown, you would not let these ridiculous and exaggerated claims by your readers of MYPACC without some editorial responsibilty. By publishing this baloney without attribution, you and your partner take responsibility for all of it!

Anyone can say anything without fear of facing their accuser. And there are far too many in and outside of town who have gripes and are too cowardly to take responsibility for their words or actions.

Perhaps it it time for the creators of this blog to at least require posters to sign their words.

Take responsibility for your actions!
6:09 pm edt 

Ooo! Ouch!

Somebody does have the dirt on that little boy playing in the yard. there's something to this bow tie and the past history that appears quite problematic. Seems like some similarities to our present dysfunctional administration that he is "administering"! Wow! Thanks for this information, even though upsetting.
6:06 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill

Everybody bring your Dumbrellas to the town meeting on Monday because our Town Hall is raining idiots! Fire the Police Chief that most of the town hates and doesn't trust, fire the less than useless TM that doesn't have enough brains to fill a thimble and by all means recall / impeach all these corrupt selectmen that refuse to honor the town's voters wishes and who hired the two formentioned             simpletons. I'm curious how much the Attorney fees are going to be to buy that F-ing money pit "HH" after everything is said and done. Just withdraw the bid before it's too late. The only reason that people voted for it to begin with is that they were lied to by our town officials and they were too lazy to go look for themselves what a cluster-F      hole it is.
6:01 pm edt 

Giving Up!

I am passing on this years STM. As a full-time, property owning resident I find the continued assault on the taxpayer of affordable housing initiatives ridiculous. Stop raising my property tax.
1:54 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

'Someone needs to follow the trail of bread crumbs this assclown is leaving in each city he destroys.'
This too sounds familiar - How do you make a statement as he did in the courant article, "Its not whether on day one we invent the perfect system, it's getting the system up and running."
9:57 am edt 

Re: Town Manager

"I never thought I would wish for the return of Keith Bergman or Sharon Lynn but I do, this guy doesn't last long anywhere, just enough to ruin things!"

A typical run for a TM is four to five years, so it would not be at all surprising or unusual for DP to leave in a few years.  He was hired by five selelectmen who all have a hand in propping him up, when he looks good they look good because they hired him.

Now we're seeing a turnover of one to two Selectmen and the new ones don't need to prop him up to make themselves look good.  It's probably why TM turnover is 4 or 5 years.  It's not unique to Provincetown.
9:54 am edt 

Re: Town Manager

DID YINGLING AND DONEGAN AND THE BUNCH  DO ANY SEARCH BEFORE HIRING HIM? ...The entire story is a classic case of finger pointing, but at the very least it points out the incompetence of this Administration. I have to ask, when is someone going to step up and say enough is enough.
"One name keeps showing up front and center in every embarrassment for the Segarra Administration.... David Panagore.

Is the Council going to ever show enough backbone to do what Segarra is obviously incapable of, and that is to ask the tough questions and hold Panagore accountable for his actions. The list is endless of the discredit he has brought to Mayor Segarra and unfortunately us as a City.

The $400,000 to the Market at Hartford 21, the $50.000 Police Chief search, the whole Dan Nolan mess, and now the Hartford Police Credit Union debacle that seems to be headed to another lawsuit because of Panagore's actions. Not to mention the adversarial relationship with our friends at the Capitol created by our caped crusader in the waning days of the Legislative session..

I can go on and on, but let me be the first to go on the record and say David Panagore needs to go and take his travelling circus show of incompetence with him.

Anonymous said...
entirely on the mark, Panagore has left every City he has worked in in a state of upheaval. Mayor Segarra, stop the insanity now and don't let him do it to Hartford. He is making you look like an amateur every day he is here

JULY 27, 2012 AT 7:07 PM"
9:51 am edt 

Re: Land Agreement Between BOS and Provincetown Commons

Mass. general law, chapter 30b, section 12

"(b) Unless authorized by majority vote, a procurement officer shall not award a contract for a term exceeding three years, including any renewal, extension, or option. Such authorization may apply to a single contract or to any number or types of contracts, and may specify a uniform limit or different limits on the duration of any such contracts."

I don't recall the town meeting body ever voting to authorize the contract for the community center bldg.  it also does make one question why any government  body would commit to a 99 year lease with an entity that has just been formed and has no track record.
9:47 am edt 

Re: Rob Anderson

Rob Anderson is one of the sweetest guys you can ever meet. Not only does he work hard at creating an environment for Ptown to enjoy year round he has went about and beyond to supply housing without the traditional manipulation of "I now own you". Other entities in town continue to play this game (                                                                                 they had no housing and had to move immediately, which is also foregoing all landlord tenant laws in Massachusetts)

Everyone wants Ptown to have economic stabilty and be able to carry on year round eventually but yet when someone comes in and asks for a change you're the first to nail them to the cross.

It's insanity with the hierarchy at its finest.
9:41 am edt 

CVS to Cape Cod Commission:

What a waste of the commission's time. This is not a development of regional impact. This is a project that can be handled with local regulatory control. The Cape Cod Commision has Cape Cod's interests at heart, not Provincetown.
9:37 am edt 

Re: Town Manager

Asked repeatedly whether he was leaving under pressure from Mayor Pedro Segarra or others at city hall, Panagore replied: "This is my decision and I'm happy about it. I'm happy with the decision I've made."

I'm sure the city was happy about his decision to leave as well. This guy is a deceitful, lazy clown.

9:36 am edt 

Re: Harbor Hill

Maryland company's offer a fraction of Provincetown's bid for time-share complex.
By K.C. Myers
PROVINCETOWN  The other bidder for a bankrupt time-share complex the town is trying to buy to create year-round rental housing stock is a Maryland firm that is trying to "derail" the sales process, according to documents filed this week in U.S. Bankruptcy Court.

As Provincetown's Year-round Market Rate Rental Housing Trust comes to the end of a long journey to buy Harbor Hill, the other bidder, Lemonjuice Capital Partners, is raising legal arguments to scuttle the town's purchase of the 26-unit complex.

Judge Joan Feeney will decide if the property goes to Provincetown at a 1 p.m. hearing Wednesday in the bankruptcy court in Boston.

Provincetown submitted an $8.1 million bid in the bankruptcy auction for Harbor Hill. The town hopes to rent out the 26 apartments to professionals at fair-market rates to boost the town's extremely low year-round rental housing stock.

Lemonjuice Capital submitted a bid of only $750,000.

But Lemonjuice Capital's lawyer argues that time-share owners are not like regular property owners. They are, therefore, not the debtors but third-parties in this bankruptcy case, according to court documents. That means once the sale goes through, there will be liens on the property and the title won't be clear. The sale will leave the property "in chaos" and "disarray," the company argues.

"Unless these issues are addressed in connection with the sale process the likelihood of a successful closing is remote," Lemonjuice CEO Alexander Krakovsky stated in court documents.

Lemonjuice proposes to operate the time-share with the current interval owners.

No one from the town could comment because of the judge's order that bidders refrain from speaking about the auction.

But on Wednesday, the deadline to submit bids for Harbor Hill, Provincetown's lawyer fired back, filing motions asking the judge to disqualify Lemonjuice's bid.

The trustee appointed to represent the approximate 1,000 time-share interval owners also demanded that Lemonjuice's offer be taken off the table.

Trustee Warren Agin contends that Lemonjuice's bid violates the rules of the auction set forth by the judge, who said all offers must be comparable, with the same terms and conditions.

Lemonjuice argued that the company had the ability to operate the time-share and make it more valuable for a future sale, which would benefit the interval owners even more than this sale.

But Agin questioned that contention.

"In four instances in Maryland, Lemonjuice and affiliate Lemonjuice Biz LLC has sued time-share associations to obtain control over their operations," Agin wrote. "This raises serious questions about whether its involvement in the bankruptcy process will hurt interval owners' interests."

Provincetown's attorney, David Hill Jr., further argued that the law provided several ways that "third-party" or nondebtor property owners' interests could be sold in a court-ordered sale.

"The fact that Lemonjuice has acquired nominal interests in the subject time-share for the purpose of trying to derail the proposed sale and to try and force a sale of the time-share to itself for primarily its own pecuniary benefit (as opposed to for the best interests of all the existing interval owners) does not change this calculus," Hill wrote.

On Feb. 6, a packed town meeting overwhelmingly approved a $10.7 million debt exclusion to bid on Harbor Hill and do renovations to the property to prepare to rent the units to people earning 80 to 200 percent of the area's median income, a range of $47,550 to $107,940 for a single-person household.

9:33 am edt 

Thursday, March 30, 2017

Re: Land Agreement Between BOS and Provincetown Commons

". . .Whereas, the parties wish to enter into this Agreement to memorialize the terms and conditions under which the Town and the Developer will enter into said 99 year lease. . ."
That must be a mistake. Any lease longer than 3 years in length is required to be voted on by the governing body (town meeting) and must receive a majority vote of approval according to mass. General law
11:00 pm edt 

You Have a Voice
There is a Price for Silence

and none of us can afford its legacy.

Speak out. You have a voice; you have a legacy.

Do more. Speak out!
10:10 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

I never thought I would wish for the return of Keith Bergman or Sharon Lynn but I do, this guy doesn't last long anywhere, just enough to ruin things!

Stay tuned.
2:50 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

Hartford's Chief Operating Officer Resigns
Panagore To Step Down Sept. 14
August 20, 2012|By JENNA CARLESSO,
HARTFORD   David Panagore, the city's chief operating officer, said Monday that he has resigned from his post.

He said his last day with the city would be Sept. 14.

Panagore called the departure "amicable" and said he made the decision to resign while on vacation at Cape Cod last week.

"I decided I got done what I wanted to get done here so I'm moving on," he said Monday. "I think I'm leaving the city better than we found it. I'm proud of the team we built for the mayor."

Asked repeatedly whether he was leaving under pressure from Mayor Pedro Segarra or others at city hall, Panagore replied: "This is my decision and I'm happy about it. I'm happy with the decision I've made."

Panagore's department came under fire recently for billing problems within the livable and sustainable neighborhoods initiative, an anti-blight effort started by Segarra and Panagore six months ago.

The city was owed thousands of dollars for private-property cleanups  some that occurred as far back as six months ago  but it hadn't billed any of the property owners because of a series of missteps. The issue is under review.

Panagore said he did not have another job lined up.
2:48 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

Hey it's the Ct mypacc from 2012.  Chock full of Panagore's actions while in Hartford.  He spent city funds on a grocery store, 500,000. and it failed within months.  UGH.  The common statement is he thought he could do whatever he wanted there.  Sound familiar?
2:44 pm edt 

Re: Land Agreement Between BOS and Provincetown Commons

Should call it what it is 'Provincetown Elitists' not Provincetown Commons.
12:12 pm edt 

It is Time For Change on the BOS

We need to vote in new faces with new ideas. The awful deals that this sad group has authored and championed is the worse in many years. Being young and from this town is certainly not enough of a criteria for good ideas and a sense of vision for our future.

Enough of favoritism. Enough of disharmony. Enough is enough.
12:11 pm edt 

Re: Food For Thought

This is classic, 'How, in this day and age, can we allow discrimination based on sex to be part of our town?' open your little taxed mind, discrimination is rampant in the not so quaint seaside town.
8:21 am edt 

Re: Food For Thought

You're right about discrimination.  The fact that our little liberal town has discriminatory membership written into our bylaws is kind of amusing.  Although I guess discrimination isn't as amusing if you're the one being discriminated against.
8:19 am edt 

Re: Town Manager

Our town manager loves to hear himself talk.  Eat Talk B.S. 
That's our leader.
8:17 am edt 

Re: Food For Thought

"If we are OK with saying one person has to be a woman, are we going to say how old a member should be?"

Exactly. And all boys sports teams shouldn't be allowed either.

8:15 am edt 

Land Agreement Between BOS and Provincetown Commons

This is the "Land Agreement" now signed per the ATM by all 5 BOS members.
This Land Development Agreement (this Agreement) is entered into as of this ____ day of March 2017, by and between the Town of Provincetown, acting by and through its Board of Selectmen, having an address of 260 Commercial Street, Provincetown, MA 02657 (the Town), Provincetown Commons, Inc. a Massachusetts non-profit corporation, having an address of 115 Bradford Street, Provincetown MA 02657 (the Developer).
Whereas, the Town is the owner of parcel of land located at 46 Bradford Street, Provincetown, containing 19,689 square feet of land, more or less, described in deeds recorded with the Barnstable County Registry of Deeds in Book 201, Pages 173, 186, and 534, and shown more particularly on the plan attached hereto as Attachment A (the Land);
Whereas, the Land is improved by a building known as the Community Center (the Building) and other improvements thereon (together with the Land, the Property);
Whereas, by the vote under Article 5 of the April 4, 2011, Special Town Meeting, the Town authorized the Board of Selectmen to dispose of the Property on such terms and conditions and for such consideration as the Board of Selectmen shall deem appropriate;
Whereas, on August 24, 2016, the Town issued a Request for Qualifications (the RFQ) and a further Request for Proposals (the RFP) on November 30, 2016, a copy of which is attached hereto as Exhibit A, soliciting proposals for the purpose of redeveloping the Property at no cost to the Town;
Whereas, the Developer submitted a proposal in response to the RFP (the Proposal), a copy of which is attached hereto as Attachment B, agreeing to renovate the Building to be used exclusively for charitable and educational purposes permitted by the Towns Zoning By-laws (as the same may be amended from time to time and subject to any relief the Developer may obtain), including, but not limited to, the following (collectively, the Permitted Uses): (i) artist studios, (ii) art galleries, (iii) educational uses, (iv) philanthropic uses, and (iv) uses ancillary to the uses set forth in the foregoing clauses (i) and (ii) and (iii).
Whereas, the Developer shall, as part of the Project, undertake certain improvements to the Building, which improvements include, but are not limited to repair and/or replacement of building exterior elements including roofing, siding, windows, and doors as necessary; and interior repairs to ceilings, walls, and floors, all as more particularly described in Section 1.2 below;
Whereas, the Town and the Developer intend to enter into a 99 year lease that sets forth the terms under which Developer shall redevelop and use the Property for the Permitted Uses (as more particularly described in the RFP and the Proposal and as described herein, the Project); and
Whereas, the parties wish to enter into this Agreement to memorialize the terms and conditions under which the Town and the Developer will enter into said 99 year lease.
Now therefore, in consideration of the mutual promises of the parties contained herein and other good and valuable consideration each to the other paid, receipt of which is hereby acknowledged, the parties hereby agree as follows:
1.1 Lease of the Property. The Town shall dispose of the Property by executing a 99 year lease to the Developer and the Developer shall lease the Property from the Town on the date on which the Lease Contingencies (defined below) have been satisfied by executing the Lease Agreement attached hereto as Attachment C and incorporated herein (the Lease), the terms of which have been fully agreed upon the parties.
1.2 Lease Contingencies. The obligation of the parties to enter into the Lease is contingent on the satisfaction of the following contingencies (collectively, the Lease Contingencies):
(a) Approved Plans and Specifications. The Town, by its Board of Selectmen, shall have approved detailed plans and specifications (the Improvement Plans)for the Developers proposed redevelopment of the Property including the renovation and construction of the improvements and any other work to be done or improvements to be made on or to the Property (collectively, the Improvements) showing in particular the location, layout and size of the units, the design of the Improvements, the landscaping, and the other improvements to be installed or constructed on the Property. The Developer shall submit preliminary Improvement Plans to the Town for the Towns approval, and such other information as the Town may reasonably request, said approval not to be unreasonably withheld. The Town shall approve or disapprove the preliminary Improvement Plans within sixty (60) days after the preliminary Improvement Plans are submitted to the Town. Approval or disapproval by the Town as the Owner o!
f the Property does not guarantee or constitute approvals by all building, planning, or other regulatory boards having proper jurisdiction. In the event of disapproval, the Town shall give the Developer an itemized statement of reasons for disapproval. The Developer shall use best efforts to cause such items to be appropriately revised as soon as possible after receipt of such notice of disapproval and resubmit the same to the Town for approval pursuant to this Section. The Town and the Developer agree to cooperate in good faith with each other to resolve any objections of the other to such items and/or requested modifications by the other.
(b) Permits and Approvals. The Developer shall have received all permits and approvals necessary to undertake the renovation and/or construction of the Improvements and to use the Property for the Project on terms satisfactory to the Developer, any and all appeal periods having expired;
(c) Financing. The Developer shall have identified at least $250,000 of commitments for the Project financing, including, but not limited to public funding commitments, private investor commitments, construction loan commitments, and/or permanent loan commitment from institutional lenders and/or public or quasi-public entities, for the design and construction of the Improvements and/or the operation and
maintenance of the Project (the Project Funds). All commitments for Project Funds received as of the date of this Agreement shall be listed or otherwise described in Exhibit B attached hereto and made apart hereof. The Developer shall have reasonably identified such financing and or received the Project Funds on or simultaneously with the execution of the Lease (the Closing).
(d) Title. The Property shall be free from recorded monetary liens and from title defects or encumbrances of record that would materially interfere with the use of the Property for the development and operation of the Project except as known at the time of conveyance; and
(e) Condition of Property. The Developer shall have inspected the Property and be satisfied with the condition thereof.
1.3 Failure to Satisfy Preconditions. In the event that the Lease Contingencies are not satisfied despite the Developers good faith and diligent efforts within ninety (90) days from the date on which this Agreement is executed, or such later time as the Town may, in its reasonable discretion, agree in writing (the Diligence Period), either the Town or the Developer may terminate this Agreement by providing the other written notice on or prior to the expiration of the Diligence Period. In the event of termination, this Agreement shall be null and void, without recourse to the parties, except those provisions that are expressly stated herein to survive said termination shall so survive. The Developer agrees to meet with the Town regularly during the Diligence Period, or when the Town may reasonably request, to report on efforts made by the Developer to satisfy the Lease Contingencies and provide such other information as the Town may reasonably request.
2.1 Access. The Developer may enter and inspect the Property, including the Building and other improvements thereon, from time to time, upon at least one (1) business day prior notice to the Town by contacting Richard Waldo, DPW Director at 508-487-7060, to conduct such inspections, tests, and analyses as the Developer deems advisable, including, without limitation, surveys, wetlands inspections, testing the mechanical, plumbing, electric or other components or systems of the Building, and environmental tests, provided, however, that the Developer shall not conduct or authorize any physically intrusive testing of, on, or under the Property, or conduct any inspections that may damage the Building or the other improvements on the Property, without first obtaining the Towns written consent, such consent not to be unreasonably withheld. The Developer acknowledges and agrees that the Town makes no representations or warranties, express or implied, of any kind and nature as to the!
  condition of the Property, and the Developer releases and holds the Town harmless against any claim by the Developer or the Developers agents, employees, representatives, contractors and/or invitees (with Developer, the Developer Parties) for any harm to them or their property arising from said entry, and shall promptly restore the Property to substantially its condition prior to said entry. The foregoing obligations shall survive the expiration or termination of this Agreement. Prior to entering the Property, the Developer shall provide the Town with certificates of insurance evidencing coverage for all parties entering the Property in at least the amounts as are set forth in Section 2.2 below and naming the Town as an additional insured party.
2.2 Insurance. The Developer shall obtain and maintain public liability insurance, including coverage for bodily injury, wrongful death and property damage, in the minimum amount set forth herein to support the obligations of the Developer under the terms and conditions of this Agreement to indemnify, defend and hold harmless the Town: General Liability: $1,000,000.00/occurrence, $2,000,000.00/aggregate, which shall include coverage for Bodily Injury Liability: $1,000,000.00/occurrence, $2,000,000.00/aggregate. Prior to entering the Property, the Developer shall provide the Town with a copy of such insurance policy in each case indicating the Town is an additional insured on the policy and showing compliance with the foregoing provisions. The insurance coverage required hereunder shall be issued by insurance companies licensed by the Massachusetts Division of Insurance to do business in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and having a Bests rating of B+ or better.
3.1 Events of Default. It shall be an event of default under this Agreement if the Developer fails to use good faith and commercially diligent efforts to obtain the necessary permits and approvals, obtain financing, and/or satisfy the other Lease Contingencies that are the responsibility of the Developer to satisfy, and/or fails to fulfill the Developers other obligations under this Agreement, and does not remedy the same within ten (10) days from written notice from the Town therefor or in the case of a default or a contingency which cannot with due diligence be cured within such ten (10) day period, within such additional time reasonably necessary provided Developer commences to cure the same within such ten (10) day period and thereafter prosecutes the curing of such default or contingency with diligence.
3.2 Towns Remedies. In the event of a default under this Agreement, the Town shall have the right to terminate this Agreement and pursue any and all available rights and remedies.
3.3 Costs of Enforcement. The Developer shall reimburse the Town for any and all reasonable costs and expenses, including reasonable attorneys fees and court fees, incurred by the Town in enforcing this Agreement.
3.4 Surrender. In the event that this Agreement is terminated by either party, the Developer shall promptly restore the Property to its condition as of the date of this Agreement and repair any damage caused to the Property by any of the Developer Parties. The provisions of this Section shall survive the termination of this Agreement.
4.1 Cooperation. The Town agrees to use reasonable efforts to assist the Developer, at the Developers sole cost and expense, in obtaining any and all permits, approvals and other authorizations required by any governmental authorities with respect to any construction or other work to be performed on the Property, but the Developer acknowledges that the Town has no control over and cannot guarantee that permits required from municipal boards or officers within their statutory or regulatory authority will be granted or fees will be waived.
4.2 Indemnification. The Developer agrees to defend, indemnify, and hold harmless the Town and those acting by, though, and under the Town from and against any and all liabilities, losses, costs, expenses (including attorneys fees), causes of action, suits, claims,
damages, demands, judgments or expenses from any and all claims, actions, or suits of any nature whatsoever (collectively, the Claims) that may be imposed upon, incurred by, or asserted against the Town by reason of this Agreement and/or the negligence or willful misconduct of any of the Developer Parties, except to the extent the same is caused by the willful misconduct or negligence of the Town or its agents, employees, contractors, or representatives. This indemnity and hold harmless agreement shall include indemnity against all reasonable costs, expenses, and liabilities actually incurred in or in connection with any such Claims brought thereon, and the defense thereof. The provisions of this section shall survive the expiration or termination of this Agreement.
4.3 Representations and Warranties. The Developer represents that the following representations and warranties are true and accurate as of this date and shall continue as such through the date on which the Lease is signed by the Developer and the Town:
(a) The Developer is a duly organized and existing non-profit corporation in good standing under the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and has the power and authority to enter into and perform its obligations under this Agreement, and every other agreement or instrument entered into or to be entered into by it pursuant to this Agreement, including the Lease.
(b) The execution, delivery and performance of this Agreement and the Lease:
(i) have been duly authorized;
(ii) have the requisite approval of all governmental bodies;
(iii) will not violate any judgment, order, law or regulation applicable to Developer or any provisions of the Developers organizational documents; and
(iv) do not conflict with, constitute a default under, or result in the creation any lien, charge, encumbrance or security interest upon any assets of the Developer under any agreement or instrument to which the Developer is a party or by which the Developer or its assets may be bound or affected.
(c) Developer represents that there are no pending or threatened actions or
proceedings before any court or administrative agency which would materially adversely affect the financial condition of the Developer, or the ability of the Developer to perform its obligations under this Agreement or under any other documents entered into by the Developer pursuant to this Agreement.
(d) The Developer has made or will make its independent investigation and inquiry into all matters relevant to its entering into and performing its obligations under the Agreement without reliance on any statement or representation of the Town except as expressly set forth herein.
4.4 Entire Agreement. All prior negotiations between the parties hereto concerning the Property shall be considered integrated into this Agreement, and there are no agreements between the parties not specifically set forth herein.
4.5 Time. Time shall be considered of the essence in the performance of the requirements of this Agreement.
4.6 Assignment. Developer shall not have the right to transfer or assign this Agreement without the Towns prior written consent, which may be withheld or conditioned at its sole and absolute discretion.
4.7 Captions/Headings. The captions and headings in this Agreement are for the convenience of reference only of the parties, shall not be considered a material part hereof, and do not in any manner define, describe, or limit the scope or intent of this Agreement or any of the provisions or terms hereof.
4.8 Counterparts. This Agreement may be executed by the various parties hereto in counterparts, and when all counterpart documents are executed, the counterparts shall constitute a single binding instrument.
4.9 Amendments; Waivers. No change or modification to this Agreement shall be valid unless the same is in writing and signed by the Town and the Developer. No purported or alleged waiver of any of the provisions of this Agreement shall be binding or effective unless in writing and signed by the party against whom it is sought to be enforced.
4.10 Applicable Law. This Agreement shall be governed exclusively by the provisions of the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, and any actions, suits or other claims pertaining or relating to this Agreement shall be brought within the courts of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
(Remainder of page intentionally left blank; Signature page follows.)
Executed as a document under seal on this ____ day of ________, 2017.
TOWN OF PROVINCETOWN, By its Board of Selectmen
PROVINCETOWN COMMONS, INC. a Massachusetts non-profit corporationv
8:13 am edt 

Wednesday, March 29, 2017

Off With Their Heads!

Is anyone keeping track of the body count since Panagore began his reign? With the exit of the latest victim, Eric Larsen, I count 6. Astounding!!
10:06 pm edt 

Re: Canteen -Our Newest Waterfront Restaurant

"Wait which Anderson is definitely not female?"

I don't know but all of them helped the Canteen get extra gallons.

10:05 pm edt 

Food For Thought

Looking at the warrant.  It struck me that one of the articles, while not new, is probably illegal.  The structure of the tourism board requires a representative from the Women Innkeepers.  How, in this day and age, can we allow discrimination based on sex to be part of our town?  If we are OK with saying one person has to be a woman, are we going to say how old a member should be?  Shall we also discuss what racial ethnicity we require?

Discrimination is wrong!  At any level, no matter the intention.
10:03 pm edt 

Re: Canteen -Our Newest Waterfront Restaurant


Anyone can look up the Sewer gallons for any property in town. Canteen has flow for 39 seats, do you think they have more than 39 seats NOW counting benches in and out and chairs inside? Count them, been using more than 39 for years,  the BOS appoints members who violate zoning and sewer laws but the BOS will appoint violators to sit on a board who monitors our HOUSING? What is wrong with this picture?
9:55 pm edt 

Re: Canteen -Our Newest Waterfront Restaurant

Instead of Granting Them 71 Seats

they should be issued a violation or even two for serving customers on seats that this restaurant does not legally have the right to. It's a violation to serve more people on seats that are not legally issued.

71 seats?? Really??

Isn't the East End Deli trying to get twelve seats and for this even promising to build two work force housing units. that is for twelve seats!!

71 seats? Quite astounding.
11:33 am edt 

Golf Station - Forced to Provide Sidewalks - Why?!

It is easy to poke a town employee or BOS in the eye, it feels good sometimes. Sometimes town government deserves a good poke, this is one of those times. The owner of the Gulf station in town was required by the town to put in sidewalks in order to get a work permit. WTF. This is a very small business and the guy is trying to create housing in order to survive.If the town wants sidewalks put them but don't make a property owner put them in especially one trying to employee people.
11:32 am edt 

Re: Rob Anderson

Wait which Anderson is definitely not female?
11:29 am edt 

Re: Rob Anderson

"You really had to respond? Maybe the poster didn't see other post."

This could go on forever. And it is taxing my little mind. Good bye.
11:28 am edt 

Re: Canteen -Our Newest Waterfront Restaurant

"Some get all the seats they want. some serve on seats they don't even have. and they continue to do whatever they want. Others, remove one window and violations abound. Others have six seats and fail to gain any more."

It's sad but true. They know how to network and schmooze with all the "right" people. They have connections. That's how this town works unfortunately.
11:26 am edt 

Tuesday, March 28, 2017

Re: Canteen -Our Newest Waterfront Restaurant

The Privileged Few

Some get all the seats they want. some serve on seats they don't even have. and they continue to do whatever they want. Others, remove one window and violations abound. Others have six seats and fail to gain any more.

The privileged few--those connected to town officials who, instead of being fair and objective, give their select pets whatever they want.

And if the bow tied one sits on their seats day after day, of course they will get seventy or so seats!! And if the were part of the infamous 365--but, then, of course, they will be granted, from the Crown, the desired gifts!
2:14 pm edt 

Re: Canteen -Our Newest Waterfront Restaurant

"The Key to the Canteen?"

Tow words: Gloria McPherson.
12:26 pm edt 

A Question

Clarence, censoring Vendon comments?
10:25 am edt 

Re: Rob Anderson

"Big deal. You really had to post this twice?"   

You really had to respond? Maybe the poster didn't see other post.

You certainly are a big deal in your own little mind.   
10:22 am edt 

From: Gordon Siegel in Support of Article 17

My Speech to the BOS, Monday March 27 2017. 

Good Evening.  My name is Gordon Siegel.  Our rule of law is Town Meeting Legislates, The BOS issue Policy, and Our Charter requires Town Meeting vote for any lease over 10 years.  The lease addendum is a legislative change, not a policy change.

Town Counsel opined bring it back to Town Meeting.  However, if you allow a lease, lease for 99 years and call it a sale.

Judged by a review panel of 6 that included 2 non-tax paying, non-residents,  The Workforce Housing proposal was the loser.
Housing was weighted approximately 10-15% of the TOTAL score based on your criteria. Your Number One Policy Goal is Community Housing.       

The now signed Land Agreement has inconsistencies.   Instead of stating, to sell like the 2011 article, the document states we  authorized the Board of Selectmen to dispose of the Property. 

to sell  to dispose

It states that the winning bid will be redeveloping the Property at no cost to the Town;     
$100,000. taxpayer money is requested this year and allowed for the next 99.
It states Creative Commons is a non-profit corporation.  It is not.  A status not guaranteed. Until then, the owner is The Provincetown Compact.  They are not mentioned in the Land Agreement or the lease. 
There are other legal inconsistencies.   
As for Creative Commons, the Treasurer is the Chair of our FINCOM.  He spearheaded the rfp while boasting to help create the housing trust.  The very trust written about in the housing playbook on page 18 as using the community center building for housing.
The Chair of the Year Round Rental Housing Trust who also  voted yes in 2014 for Workforce Housing at the Community Center is now a signed Lessor to a collaborative art work center, not housing.

Another BOS member, a long time housing advocate, now giving up that opportunity for 99 years.

A third, stated she felt housing would be great there but so expensive. 

The workforce housing offer was $600,000 cash with no further financial commitment from the Town.

One BOS member said "he liked housing but we tried and it didn't work out.  An arts and cultural center may be an economic driver down the road.
<end quote>  That road includes reducing the criteria for an economic development grant from one year to nine months.  Housing Crisis.

There is an active and ongoing investigation with the State Ethics Commission.

I can say with certainty, that the 2011 Voters would not be happy knowing their vote to sell after a long discussion about housing, would now be satisfied with a 99 year lease for something other than housing.

The BOS asked for workforce housing at the Community center, they were offered a Workforce housing proposal, and you instead chose that the FINCOM chair get the community center building for something other than housing.

In closing, this vote will affect our great, great, great, great, grand children.

Please support Article 17.
8:21 am edt 

Re: Rob Anderson

"Rob Anderson, is on the housing trust board as far as I know is not female..wrong board, wrong gender..."

Big deal. You really had to post this twice?           . Lol.
8:11 am edt 

Re: Canteen -Our Newest Waterfront Restaurant

"The BOS should not give them 71 seats till they conform to all zoning rules like everyone else. What is their FLOW for the property now?"

The Canteen does seem to get special treatment in this town. Why? Do they know someone or is it just because they have unlimited money behind them?
8:09 am edt 

From: Cheryl Andrews

Someone has posted some comments about the sewer and added my name goes. Yes, Town Meeting approved a "No-growth" sewer back about 17 years ago. The language of the warrant article and the sewer legislation  specifically exempted any uses deemed "Public Use". To date , the following have been deemed "Public Use": Affordable Housing including 90 Shank Painter Road, Laundromats, Seashore Point, and projects that have received Economic Development Permits eg. the Cabral Wharf expansion now owned by Chuck Lagasse, Cafe Heaven, Cafe Edwidge, East End Market, Twisted Pizza ...there is a long list. If any Provincetown business owner wishes to apply for an Economic Development Permit, I encourage them to do so. My board seems to be in a generous mood. Best, Cheryl Andrews
8:07 am edt 

Monday, March 27, 2017

Re: Canteen -Our Newest Waterfront Restaurant

So the boys from Canteen are requesting 71 restaurant seats. I thought we had a NO GROWTH sewer Dr. Andrews? Let me guess this is to "legalize" all the seats they have been using on the beach with no permit and the seats in front with no permit for the past 2 years! When will they clean up the zoning violations of building seats and benches on an historic building with no permits nor variances. Let's reward those who violate the rules and just give it to them! Nothing ever changes in this town, there is no equal enforcement. The BOS should not give them 71 seats till they conform to all zoning rules like everyone else. What is their FLOW for the property now?
2:33 pm edt 

Our Newest Waterfront Restaurant

Is everybody coming to the BOS meeting tonite 3/27/17 and watch them award a new restaurant to the fair haired boys? Zero Growth Sewer My Ass.
1:24 pm edt 

Re: Rob Anderson

Um speaking of out of touch? Rob Anderson, is on the housing trust board as far as I know is not female..wrong board, wrong gender and wrong accusation of being out of touch...idiot
1:22 pm edt 

Sunday, March 26, 2017

Re: PBG 2017

To posts re: PBG ED, yes it has been a frustrating 12 months, unfortunately the previous Board and its ex ED had some challenges and set the PBG back a bit. It took 8 months to hire a new ED after the previous ED "resigned" back in Feb of 2016,can there be better communication and updates YES of course, but now is not the time to blame, we need to mover forward in a positive direction to get the PBG back on track. I have been told that the following is occurring:

1.New marketing committee has been formed and is meeting
2.New logo and marketing plan is forthcoming within 30 days
3.New ED is meeting for the first time now that all Board members are back from vacations this week to    access the road ahead
4.Carnival "leads" have been going on for 2 months to no avail to obtain a Headliner for the Concert.
5. The ED just hired the Part time assistant for the office, which is a great step forward
6. I believe Steve Roderick has assisted with his vast history on getting the financials in order so we can move forward as well

I am sure the new ED is trying her best but 1.5 positions can't do it all by themselves, all members should volunteer if they have the time or desire to do so.
12:22 pm edt 

Vincent Breglia Posted in Provincetown Voters, March 23, 2017

It's another beautiful day in the hood.
If you are Provincetown registered voter and are in favor of housing, vote to sell the community center. Julian Cyr and Sarah Peake both spoke in favor of housing. Vote to sell the community center for housing. Housing first as we don't have workforce housing however we have several art cultural centers that are outstanding and nationally and internationally recognized. Let's focus on housing; year round, workforce, and affordable. Vote to sell not lease our community center so it can help our housing crisis. Show that you care about our housing crisis. Thanks for caring about our community!
12:14 pm edt 

Re: A Town Forum Without a Town

I agree that these pre-meeting forums are b.s. How many f...... times do we need to sit through Eric Yingling's condo tax article? We said no 3 f...... times moron. Please Mr Sinako, stop speaking on every f...... article, just vote like the rest of us.
11:04 am edt 

A Town Forum Without a Town

Another fake get together. The people are not asking for this but the town officials are trying to force the issues and force the votes on various by-laws and warrant articles.

So few were there. It is fitting. It is PR that the people do not need nor want.

Why go? Guess what? They didn't.
9:20 am edt 

Saturday, March 25, 2017

Fed Up!

Can we also talk about the PBG website tiles ads were removed without any regard that we paid for a year of advertising? Btw where's this years vacation guide haven't seen or heard anything about it. Nice communication they have going to the member base.

Not what it use to be when members were put first. I agree time to put my money else where.
6:22 pm edt 

Re: Blue Chair

Please relocate the adiridack chair in front of our beautiful town hall. It is so very out of place there. It belongs behind the chamber, by the buses and restrooms. Let the tourists have their fun there. Please don't make our town like all the others. Honkey Tonk!!!
5:15 pm edt 

Re: An Expression of Frustration

The DPW director just plain flat out lies for the TM and the BoS whether it's about the proposed new police station or the cutting down of in the way trees, he just does what he is told like a spineless toadie! He even told the DPW workers not to discuss anything to do with the town with anybody and this order I was told came directly from the Bow tied blow hard. This order was a direct result of the TM getting caught in a big whopper of a lie and me calling him out on it.

The Wall of corruption is slowly crumbling down around our town governments ears and they're not wearing hard hats. Even Richter cut and ran at the first sign of trouble.
5:13 pm edt 

Re: An Expression of Frustration

Maybe the DPW is tired of Being Bullied and told what to do by town Planner

Maybe, just maybe, he is tired of being under the town Planner and tired of McPherson directing his words, his actions, and even what by-laws he should support and publicly defend. Maybe he knows he can't be the Tree Warden without being an arborist and maybe he is tired of saying, Yes, Ma'm" and then "Yes, Sir" and then "Yes, Ma'm, Ma'm and Sir."

and maybe he is tired of being portrayed and the town's yes man--which sadly is what he has become. David Gurtin would never have succumbed to the Town Planner's constant directives, as he has.

And there is always a price to pay.

Sometimes, it's just not worth being someone else's fool!
5:08 pm edt 

Friday, March 24, 2017

Re: An Expression of Frustration

If the DPW [ deputy director]Does leave, when [well] then

so be it. It is one thing to have strength and take strong positions--but it is another to be weak-kneed, head-nodding, and yes-sir, yes-sir bobbing head to whatever that bow tie man demands.

Having a job is one thing. Handing over your balls is another.

And you'll never have enough of them to please a demanding autocrat or bow-tied clown. You become the monkey. so best if you do leave.
11:03 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill Lives to Fight Another Day!

"Um. Speaking of out of touch. Anderson is female."

Um, I don't know who you're talking about, but Rob Anderson, who is a HH trustee, is most definitely NOT female. It's amazing how many people on this blog like to "correct" others when they actually have no idea what the hell they're talking about! Maybe you should keep your mouth shut if you have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion.

Someone's out of touch, but it ain't me.
11:00 pm edt 

Totally Fed Up!

This new ED (Robin) that has been hired for the PBG is an absolute joke!

For starters I was unimpressed with Holly Folly this year as it lacked the spirit of Christmas and the professionalism of a well run event. She doesn't show up to meetings on time, is never in the office, doesn't return calls and nothing on the website is updated. It's is almost the end of March and we still know nothing about Carnival week to pass along to our visitors. In the past this information has been updated and tickets have been on sale at the start of the new year!

I think it's time to really start considering the question of whether or not the PBG is worth my money anymore as the ship seems to be sailing without a captain or a crew.

A long time member

8:08 pm edt 

Re: An Expression of Frustration

"...we keep losing managers and staff is because of the tyrant you are and are allowed to be."
This could be referring to a dozen ppl in town. How about filling us in on who you mean? Thx.

I heard DPW deputy director is leaving and his departure is directly tied to Panagore.
8:05 pm edt 

A Word to the Wise

We moved here with very little savings, worked 3 jobs each, saved money and bought a condo.To all the people that continue to complain about having to move out of a rental property every summer, do the same. Why should I have to give you s.... Buy your own place or deal with reality but please shut up.
8:02 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill Lives to Fight Another Day!

Why is Anderson the exception? Despite his public declarations to the contrary, he's probably the most out of touch with the life and plight of the average townie."

Um. Speaking of out of touch. Anderson is female.
7:59 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill Lives to Fight Another Day!

"Did anyone really think the former timeshare owners would not try to retain their investment? lmAo."

No. Caught your surprised look though, clapping when they pulled off the voter manipulation, that made me LMAO.

7:55 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill Lives to Fight Another Day!

An errand of fools it most certainly is. Led by an overly-ambitious band of clowns and pretenders, with not one lick of common development sense amongst them.

common or community?
7:41 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill Lives to Fight Another Day!

"Why is Anderson the exception?"
Yes, you might be right, but didn't feel like being labeled a canteen hater- hard to go against the tide in Provincetown
7:38 pm edt 

Vote it Down

The tree by-law is not a by-0lae protecting trees. It is by-law empowering key officials to do what they want with trees.

It is not a good by-law.

I say: vote it down or you will lose many of the trees you care about. and those on your land--they too are at risk.
7:36 pm edt 

Tuesday, March 21, 2017

Re: Tree Warden

Yes, Many of Us do care so Much for Trees

and I wish the new tree by-law was based on caring and concern. but it is more about destroying trees and giving some town officials the authority to cut down trees they deem a problem. I am wary of this by-law. I don't believe we need it and fear what will happen if the town votes for it.

Give me Barbara Rushmore and the women who planted the many memorial trees. Give me people like them and then I know our trees are in good hands.
2:49 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police Chief

If the town manager and board of selectmen even offered Golden to continue as chief they have no business sitting in their current positions in town government. One can only hope with his partner in crime Takakjian leaving in June that Golden would follow suit. After all he doesn't do anything without consulting Takakjian about it.

Signed Reluctantly Anonymous.
2:45 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill Lives to Fight Another Day!

"...rethinking the housing trust board would be beneficial. Except, Anderson, the others, especially Donegan, should resign."

There is a gag order in place, but, can anyone really keep a secret in Provincetown? LMaO.

Anyway, HH was a long, long, loooooong shot, at best. An errand of fools it most certainly is. Led by an overly-ambitious band of clowns and pretenders, with not one lick of common development sense amongst them.

Did anyone really think the former timeshare owners would not try to retain their investment? lmAo.

2:42 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

Trees Provincetown sent out an email update today saying two new trees will be planted at the community center in the fall...
2:40 pm edt 

Re. Tree Warden

So are you saying the best idea is to vote the article down, don't create a bylaw that protects the town owned trees? Allow the trees to be massacred by homeowners that want a view or a home owners association that wants a garden? Allow for a landscaper or contractor to destroy a tree that the town owns for their own gain?
I'm guessing you haven't read the article and haven't been part of the permission process for trimming or removing town trees. If you had, you'd know that the DPW director has always sided with the town and has recommended saving the tree, opting for the idea of trimming instead. The trees on 350 Bradford in now way included any decision by the DPW director or the town planner. You missed the chance to speak out at the hearings that were had regarding the plans and you failed to save what you now find to be a tremendous loss to the town. Now that you have the chance to at least save the towns trees, you are willing to vote the bylaw down for FEAR that the DPW director or his hired consultants will all be in the bag for developers?

You are crazy.
2:39 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

"Trees on Private land will be at risk of being trimmed and cut

if only a section or branch or portion of a branch drops over a sidewalk or town land. it will be at risk.

Read the proposed tree by-law and you will see. also, there will be--if we vote for this--a tree warden. something we may not need. He is the tree remover so far and will remove even more trees. Anything on Shankpainter will be at risk. they want to "landscape" the area. God help us! Trees on Private land will be at risk of being trimmed and cut"

Here is an idea, keep trees properly trimmed so they aren't hanging into roads and sidewalks and you should have no problem.
2:33 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill Lives to Fight Another Day!

"Maybe rethinking the housing trust board would be beneficial. Except, Anderson, the others, especially Donegan, should resign."

Why is Anderson the exception? Despite his public declarations to the contrary, he's probably the most out of touch with the life and plight of the average townie. Being born with a silver spoon in your mouth may guarantee business success, but it doesn't qualify you to speak for or understand the needs of regular folk.
2:29 pm edt 

Monday, March 20, 2017

Re: Community Center Tree

I do believe Many of Us Care About Trees
and when a significant tree is cut down, we feel badly. I do and I know others do as well. there is a beauty and a testament to history in a tree. Perhaps that is why individuals have Memorial Trees. Someone dies and their passing is remembered in the growth and presence of an oak, a swamp maple, a cherry, or a birch.

Trees are not insignificant and you can judge a town by how it crease for its trees.
4:25 pm edt 

Re: Police Chief Contract

Any news on the Police Chief Contract being signed? Does anyone know???
4:23 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill Lives to Fight Another Day!

Is it true that HH is now a no go? And if so where did you get the information from? Seeing how there is supposed to be a gag order on the proceedings.
4:22 pm edt 

Happy Spring to All!

Well, it is a new season. Best to all and may it be a great Spring. May the sun shine brighter and the days be warm and comforting.
4:20 pm edt 

An Expression of Frustration

"...we keep losing managers and staff is because of the tyrant you are and are allowed to be."

This could be referring to a dozen ppl in town. How about filling us in on who you mean? Thx.
4:18 pm edt 

An Expression of Frustration

An Expression of Frustration who is a tyrant? tm? enough with cryptic post
4:16 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

Now that the tree in front of the Community Center is gone can the town plant a new tree in the spring?
4:15 pm edt 

Re: Housing Trust

Maybe the complainers about the lack of women on the housing trust will vote to make the board of selectmen a majority of women?

You might fare better by listening to all community members and not labeling them all 'complainers' in your post complaining about the gender make-up of the BOS.. LMAO, not so much.
4:14 pm edt 

Re: "This is Carolyn Kramer"

what is the context of reposting this

"This is Carolyn Kramer" Post

4:13 pm edt 

Re. Tree Warden

Is there a New Tree being Proposed at the rec center?

No, and then again, Oh, no! This has nothing to do with caring about trees. Cut it down.  and we have our new soon-to-be named Tree Warden there to cut it down. but what about replacing the tree? what about a new tree?

Oh, I see, you never thought about this!! Because you are not really certified to be a Tree Warden!
4:11 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill Lives to Fight Another Day!

"Just heard that the purchase of Harbor Hill by the town is not going to happen. The previous time share owners are getting it back."

If true what a preventable waste of time. Maybe rethinking the housing trust board would be beneficial. Except, Anderson, the others, especially Donegan, should resign. I just think this trust is too important and some thought should be put into appointment of board members.  Appoint a poor populist, or someone who has been displaced or an at- large member.
4:08 pm edt 

Re. Tree Warden

still with tree warden crap?
4:05 pm edt 

Re: Upcoming Town Election re Louise Venden

"Although she does have a tendency to be involved in back room deals. I think she would be a fresh change."
Do you have a proof of this? if you do have proof then aside from gender not much of 'fresh change' in Provincetown 
4:01 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

That Tree was in Trouble when developers wanted to rent and/or buy the building

that is the trouble this old tree faced. Eliminate and gain increase space and profitability.

Any tree that is in the way now will face elimination under the guise of its being old and "sick" and diseased.

Do you think we are all that naïve and gullible? There is little respect here for our history and for our town. People pretend to care but it is the rule of developers and town officials linked to them that make decisions. they are not in the best of the town but for the best of those with money and who want development.
3:58 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

Trees on Private land will be at risk of being trimmed and cut

if only a section or branch or portion of a branch drops over a sidewalk or town land. it will be at risk.

Read the proposed tree by-law and you will see. also, there will be--if we vote for this--a tree warden. something we may not need. He is the tree remover so far and will remove even more trees. Anything on Shankpainter will be at risk. they want to "landscape" the area. God help us! Trees on Private land will be at risk of being trimmed and cut

3:53 pm edt 

Sunday, March 19, 2017

Where are the Trees

No, where was the town planner and the planning board to save the trees at 350?

And where were they to save the dune? they allowed the developers--and yes, they are big time developers--to cut down all the trees and remove a bush or shrub. It is their responsibility as part of the so-called site plan review.

They failed. and there are no more trees there.

Do you see any trees?
9:27 pm edt 

Harbor Hill 8:25 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

I don't claim to know everything about trees...but I can tell you this, I walked past that tree almost every day and if anyone stopped and really liked at it you would know it was in trouble.
Once water started settling in the trunk it's on borrowed time.
My hunch was proven when I looked at the stump after it was cut down, it was rotten more than halfway through.
You can love trees all you want....spout off about being a certified arborist but the fact is it needed to come down.
3:11 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

Your post at 1:17 on Sunday is all lies, mis-information and outright hype.

The tree warden has no authority on private property nor does the town planner. Trees on private property are under complete control of the property owner whether the planner or DPW likes them or not. You should have been there to save the trees while 350 was under discussion. Again, where were you with your insight as a planet saver and arborist then? You shoulda, coulda  and woulda but didn't do anything then. Maybe you can help re-landscape 350 when the time comes. Wait by the phone for the call.
3:09 pm edt 

An Expression of Frustration

Last month you come in freaking out that someone might not come back and today you let them go because the rest of us are tired of your crap and want people to realize that the reason we keep losing managers and staff is because of the tyrant you are and are allowed to be.
3:08 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill Lives to Fight another Day!

Just heard that the purchase of Harbor Hill by the town is not going to happen. The previous time share owners are getting it back.
1:19 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

So Right: the Only Problem with the old and wonderful Tree was that it was in the Way

in the way of developers. In the way of the DPW that wants control. In the way of the Planning Department--yes we now have one--a department of one, that wants to control landscaping. And if you want to see what they do with trees--well, just look at 350 Bradford Street. Where are all the trees? Where are all the promises made to naïve abutters? Where are the long-standing trees that held down what once was a dune?

Our trees are at risk. If one of yours gets in the way, the Tree Warden will arrive and it will be removed--as per order of the Tree Warden and the new proposed tree by-law.
1:17 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

I never read a report and never said there was one and never said I read one. The tree was a soon to be gonner. YOU mentioned that YOU were an arborist. Why speak out now?? It's gone and over with.
As far as your commentary on the "new" tree wardens position, the DPW director has ALWAYS been the tree warden, you just never knew it because you don't pay attention. In the new bylaw, he will have authority to allow a certified arborist (meaning you allegedly) to cut trim and or remove town trees. Town trees are defined as those that the town owns due to their location around the town on town owned property like parks etc. and those in the road layout (which often goes beyond the pavement and sidewalks) and those trees the town has specifically planted on private property with owners permission over the years and years to come. Other than that, all other trees are on private property and owners decide if a tree will come down unless it first needs to go to conscom due to it's proximity to wetlands or flood zones. The DPW director is not anti tree and is not pro developer. He's smart and capable of realizing when he's over his head and will consult with outside agencies to assist in making decisions at times.
Maybe he'll call you!!
1:16 pm edt 

Re: And Then There were Three

Very sad that Wayne didn't return his papers. I'm sure he had 20 signatures but maybe felt put upon by this site an others and then shied away?

Either way, I'MVOTING FOR WAYNE AS A WRITE IN!! Louise is not selectmen material, Gordon is a one trick pony with only the CC on his mind and maybe 2 tricks if HH continues and Bobby Anthony, lets face it, is a dud. I've seen nothing that puts him out there as a great candidate.

I don't recall how many votes Wayne got last electionbut it was respectable.


WAYNE, YOU HAVE SUPPORTERS OUT THERE. They have the same concerns you do and want them fixed. Ignore the BS and run a write in candidacy. Nobody's perfect, you included but you have insight and a spine that others don't have.
10:40 am edt 

This is Carolyn Kramer:

"Is this the same hatch that Carolyn had problems with?"

I don't need to be anonymous in this post. Since last Saturday May 30th I have stood by and kept my opinions to myself regarding the bullying and harassing comments as well as physical violence threats towards me by Mr. Hatch on the Beacon facebook page which is controlled by Richard Oatsie Rogers. I am well aware that this post I am writing now will be cut and pasted to the Beacon page and all the people that have been waiting for me to comment will come out in droves either to continue to attack me or to support me in the way Mr Hatch chose to bully me on May 30th.

To the residents that have supported me - I want to thank you all for addressing Mr. Hatch's mysogynist slur . No woman should be called such a vile word on a community page especially from a man who serves on one of the most important committees in this town. The Finance Committee. The code of ethics that are written by the State of MA are very clear about committee members representing Privincetowns citizens at ALL TIMES.

I am well aware  that Mr Hatch has first amendment rights. He can call me whatever he wants to call me but does that make it befitting of a government official. In my opinion it does not.  To address the person that wrote a comment today inferring that I wrote a previous comment - you are incorrect. This is my one and only comment I will make regarding this matter. 

To the person who suggested I should have my 'face rearranged" - well once again - under our first amendment rights - you can say anything you like.  But I challenge anyone who has hid behind these viscous comments without signing thier names to contact me personally and meet me in person so you can say what you have to say to my face. I am not afraid of Mr. Hatch or "Oatsie" - on the contrary. I would enjoy meeting Mr. Hatch in person. For all the people that have this misconstrued notion that I began the facebook argument - you could not be farther from the truth.!

If you choose to meet with me I will show you pictures of the entire thread.  I have moved on from this incident. If the residents or non residents of Provincetown want to continue this debate of who said what - meet me and I will be happy to share the list of diatribes thrown at my face for no other reason but pure sport. Oatsie lured me into that thread. His intention was nothing other than to cause a stir - which it did. Why someone decided to pounce on me when I don't even know Mark or Oatsie- well that will probably never be revealed. 

To all the people that hide behind facebook and this page anonymously and attack my wife/ parter Jo. Leave her out of it. This has nothing to do with her. You can attack me or call me names as much as you want - but leave Jo out of it.  I will repeat myself again - this is the one and only time I have resorted to responding to these comments because i don't want the readers of this page to assume that any of these comments - good or bad- are mine. They are not. 

My personal email address is   Feel free to come out of the shadows of anonymity and address me to my face. As for Mr Hatch - there's nothing more than can be done from my end. The Provincetown Police Department has been alerted to his physical threat.  The Board of Selectmen have been made aware. The Town government has been made aware and most importantly Mary Jo Avellar has been made aware of Mr Hatch's vile comments as well as Oatsies. 

Mark - if you are reading this- and I hope you are-I have moved on. I truly hope the next time you disagree with someone - and that may be me depending on the subject- I would hope the discourse can stay civil instead of harassing someone you have never even met.  Thank you again to all the people that have supported me this week. I wish I could thank you personally. Feel free to send me an email so I can thank you personally.
3:57 pm edt

10:38 am edt 

Upcoming Town Election

I'm voting for Louise Vendon and Gordon Seigal

I think Gordon will bring some checks and balance to the BOS and won't be a yes-man to the town manager.  He will speak up when he believes something isn't right.  We need that right now.

Louise will bring some common financial sense to the BOS, although she does have a tendency to be involved in back room deals.  I think she would be a fresh change

Bobby is a super nice man, but I can't think of anything he has contributed to the direction of the town other than to be a yes vote.
10:32 am edt 

Re: And Then There were Three

This is Excellent--good choices for selectmen

Let's get going and don't take the two seats that are open for granted. Get to work and get out the votes. Start now and the race looks quite interesting. Whatever happens, it will be a new board of selectmen and the triad is no more. that is good news for all of us. More transparency and new ideas--we need that given the past terrible track record.
10:29 am edt 

Re: Poor Taste

Stoopid is as stoopid does! Lmao, lMao, lmAo and lmaO all hold the same meaning as LMAO and at least they're spelled correctly. An anonymous twit that calls another person that posts on this site stoopid and doesn't know how to spell "STUPID" to begin with really should refrain from posting the remark in the first place. lMaO
10:26 am edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

You said you read a report that a professional arborist wrote, well tell us what his name is and the name of his company? Did he work for the same company that did the appraisals on the CC and Winslow farms?! Again the only problem with that tree is that it was in the way! That tree was in no immediate danger of falling into the CC. If you are going to start cutting trees down because they might fall into a house or building and cause damage someday then they all have to come down!
10:21 am edt 

Saturday, March 18, 2017

And Then There were Three

So Wayne and Grace didn't return their nomination papers for the selectmen's race. That leaves just Bobby, Gordon, and Louise in the race for the two seats... Maybe the complainers about the lack of women on the housing trust will vote to make the board of selectmen a majority of women?
9:18 pm edt 

Truth be Told

I was skeptical of the trees health as well so I went to the hearing on it. They had a report from an arborist who inspected it and it was pretty clear it needed to come down. They required that two new trees be planted to replace it. Wait until the new tree bylaw comes up at Town Meeting!
8:32 pm edt 

Eyes Wide Open

Why are their no women on this board? I don't like it. 

Look arounds sweets, its a gay man's town and has been for a long time.
8:31 pm edt 

Facing Reality

Do you realize how many idiots landlords have to deal with, especially in this transient town. 

Do you realize how many slum lords tenants have to deal with?  In regards to the other part this 'brilliant' statement,  'The folks on town boards volunteer their time', volunteerism is common in Provincetown, this doesn't mean prove the are the best for the greater good of the town.

8:30 pm edt 

Poor Taste

Although I don't have a dog in this fight, a particular poster's continuous use of Lmao, more correctly spelled LMAO, which stands for "laughing my a$s off", is far more gauche then the term stoopid. But that's just me.
8:28 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

"Take it from an arborist? An anonymous arborist on the internet?"


The tree was diseased and as a result of the branches that had been cut years ago and the tree failing to compartmentalize the cut, it allowed water to enter the central portions of the tree allowing it to rot. As an arborist, you didn't notice the water coming out of the cracks 10' up from the base? You didn't remember the root flair completely impeded by the pavement all around the tree, pavement that disallows air transfer, water and nutrients from getting to the roots??? You didn't notice the overwhelming lean toward the Community Center, inferring pending failure of the tree, falling onto the CC and then having the town pay the costs for repairs?


The cost to remove the tree was pennies compared to the cost of repairing the CC. It's gone, it need to be gone and that is a good thing for the town. Still sad? Plant a new one.
8:26 pm edt 

Sale of Surplus Property RFP 46 Bradford Street

Board of Selectmen 03-24-2014 6pm Page 5 of 11

Elaine Anderson stated the Board would like to go over their conceptual response to the proposal. She asked Assistant Town manager David Gardner to present. Selectman Anderson said the ranking of Mr. Meadows proposal was advantageous, which was good. Mr. Gardner then proceeded to explain the evaluation criteria. The issue has always been the purchase price which is less than the appraised value. What appears favorable is the use of the property. Work force housing is critical, due to the scarcity of housing. The Town wants to insure that it gets the full benefit of the subsidy. Mr. Gardner stated we have requested an appraisal of the property, which we has not been completed, but should receive it any time.

Mr. Meadows thanked David Gardner for being creative in working through this proposal. He recognizes the Town needs to protect its interest. Mr. Meadows reminded the Board that he is spending a million dollars of his money and that it is his retirement. He said he is the one taking the risk but understands the Towns point of view. Mr. Meadows stated if he walks away from this deal, the Town will have to go through the process again. He says the bank will look at the appraised value as it is and then as it is built out. To buy a building for $550,000, and then put $500,000 into the property is not looked upon favorably by the bank.
He asked what if three years out this is an animal house nightmare and not working, can he be given some movement. To lock him in for 15 or 20 years and if its not working, it is deadly for him. He would like to suggest some flexibility.

Tom Donegan said if circumstances change they need some way to preserve the subsidy they are putting into the building to be sure it doesnt get flipped. The Board is pleased that there are 49 beds they would not otherwise have with this deal. That is the idea they are trying to preserve. We worry how to preserve our flip insurance.

David Gardner stated there needs to be an a agreement of the value of the property and parties would have to determine what that price is based on appraisals. Austin Knight stated we can certainly work out the language.

Tom Donegan acknowledged letters from abutters who are against selling the property at a lower price and had other worries. He wanted to be sure the people who took time to write are acknowledged. He said this is difficult for people to understand, however 49 beds is significant and will help year round housing. He thanks Mr. Meadows for coming forward.

Elaine Anderson said she thinks this will fill a housing need. We just finished the housing summit and we have several housing needs. She also believes it will take the pressure off businesses to find housing for their seasonal employees. We have heard a lot of comments from the Town residents, but she wants them to understand this will be made up in the gap, which we will know when we get the appraisal.

Board of Selectmen 03-24-2014 6pm Page 5 of 11
MOVE that the Board of Selectmen vote to accept the proposal for the sale of surplus property of Bradford Street and adjacent land submitted by William Meadows, contingent on the parties entering into a mutually satisfactory purchase and sale agreement, and to send a letter regarding the same to William Meadows.
Motion by: Austin Knight Seconded By: Erik Yingling Yea 5 Nay 0

8:22 pm edt 

Recipe For Disaster

"In my opinion, the Housing trust board was hand picked for their looks"

Looks? I guess we've all got different tastes. That's quite a motley crew if you ask me. Nobody I'd turn my head for. Although several of them are obviously pretty impressed with themselves. Sorry, but expensive clothes and fancy haircuts do not a man make.

I second the motion to bring some women on board. And how about some people of varied economic means? The current state of this country should show you that the rich making decisions for the poor is a recipe for disaster.
2:45 pm edt 

From: Gordon Siegel Media Center Trumps Housing!?

  Is the Housing Crisis Over?


You may be wondering why I am still talking about the Community Center.  Simply put, because the Provincetown Board Of Selectmen (BOS) voted March 13th, 3-0, to lease, not sell, our Community Center, and enter into a 99 year lease with Creative Commons. 

That 2011 vote has never been amended by Town Meeting and allowing this interpretation of our vote by Town officials will become a precedent for future decisions.  

A 99 year lease requires Voter approval according to our our charter.  The Charter states in 6-4-4, that No contract shall be entered into by any town authority for a period of more than 10 years, except as provided by law or by a vote of a majority of those present and voting at a Town Meeting.  

Beyond the legal facts, this 99 year lease is for a use other than housing.  Our elected officials have urged us for years we are in a housing crisis.  Thousands of dollars and many, many, hours of Town Staff time have been spent on studies, presentations, reports, handbooks, and more, to educate and inform us the Voters on the seriousness of our housing crisis.  In them all, the use of the Community Center for housing.

Many Town Meeting articles have been written as solutions to our housing crisis, including mine.  We voted for the Year Round Rental Housing Trust, and as recently as the February 2017 Special Town Meeting, over 500 people, including State Senator Cyr and Representative Peake, came out to support housing and vote for the acquisition of Harbor Hill.   On April 5, 2017 we could lose that opportunity.  We cant afford to lose another. 

When the Winslow Farms/Community Center swap failed at the April 2016 Town Meeting, Mark Hatch, chair of the finance committee, said that, like the selectmen, his committee unanimously recommended the proposal because of the town's housing goals, and because the community center property hasn't sold.

The new Town Manager has made Provincetowns housing crisis his number one priority.   He wrote and introduced us to The Housing Playbook, v.1, in March 2016 and revision 2 in October.  In it, he states on page one: Since 1997, the Town of Provincetown has been actively tackling the need for stable housing for the people that live and work here.  As we struggle to maintain and grow our local economy, it is imperative that we concurrently strengthen the housing options. Without housing, there are no workers; without workers there is no economy.  Because our economy is primarily tourist-based, seasonal worker housing is also a problem.

When he reached out to experts for help with our housing crisis, the TAPP report offered this:  ASK: Does this proposal, change, or development move us closer to our goal of providing more housing for year-round residents and seasonal workers in town?

In June, the BOS published as their number one Policy Goal for 2017:  Community Housing.

In July, with the release of the 3rd rfp, the Town Manager stated:  As I think I mentioned before if we are to only do housing at the old CC, then the ULI rec. going out as combined w VFW, as I am aware there are a number of proposal for mixed use or only business (i.e. a business incubator), it appears to me the right approach is to go out with the cc on its own, and then it doesnt sell as a stand alone then combine it with a VFW RFP for housing.

Contrary to those words, and without any input from Town Counsel, on September 22 an addendum was issued to this rfp to allow leases if the proposal provided a significant public purpose and otherwise met the goals and intent of the BOS.

With the addendum almost two months old, Town Counsel wrote an opinion in November that opined on how to avoid going back to Town Meeting (circumvent the Charter 6-4-4) by writing the lease for 99 years, thereby calling it a sale.  He wrote in part, Finally, should the Board of Selectmen determine that it is in the best interests of the Town to lease the building for an extended term such as 99 years, in my opinion a leasehold interest of that length would likely be considered the equivalent of conveyance of the fee in the property.  Of course, the lease of the building for a term of less than 99 years may raise the question whether the leasehold interest in the context of a specific lease term is the equivalent of the fee simple ownership interest.

In January, a 6 person review panel was convened by the Town Manager.  The panel, included the Director of the Provincetown Chamber of Commerce and 2 non-residents.  Their determination was that the Creative Commons proposal was the most advantageous proposal to the Town taking into consideration the evaluation criteria, price, and year round benefit. 

The Creative Commons Proposal:  A 99 Year lease for $2,000. month to be used for a collaborative work space, from a just formed corporation still seeking non-profit status.

The loosing proposal, according to the panel, to sell for $600,000. to a group with experience in creating seasonal workforce housing right here on the Cape, to be used for Seasonal Work Force Housing.

As for Creative Commons, the Chair of FINCOM is the Treasurer.  He spoke in favor of the need to sell this building on Town Hall floor and innumerable times has championed the need for housing, specifically recognizing himself at Town Meeting in February as one of the creators of the Year Round Rental Housing Trust.  The trust formed for projects such as this and the VFW.  When the building was awarded, he was quoted as saying,  "It has great ability to be an active nexus for people looking for somewhere to go and hatch their ideas. People get lonely when they work from home, both socially and economically. Sometimes you get your best ideas from bouncing them off people around you. And it can be difficult down here. Provincetown tends to be isolated.  One of the things that drove me for this project was back a year ago when we were looking at the Winslow Farms debacle.  One of the negative things I distinctly heard from the audience about that deal was a lot of people wanted!
  to see the old Community Center put towards community use. I read that loud and clear from the audience. So that was rolling around in the back of my mind when Karen mentioned [Provincetown Commons] to me. That fed into this. How can we make this really useful for the community?

As for that year round community we need to fund, the BOS had on their agenda last week to amend the Economic Development Grant Criteria and reduce the year round requirement to 9 months.  A grave acknowledgement by the BOS about the further loss of our Year Round Community, due to a loss of housing, not a loss of community space. 

There is not one seasonal community workforce housing property in Town.

As for community space, I am pleased to announce they are flourishing in Provincetown.  In addition to the many acres of open spaces the taxpayers have bought, both in Town and our National Seashore, to be kept as plein air surroundings, we have the FAWC, PAAM, Castle Hill, 20 Summers, and dozens of galleries here in Town.  We have WOMR, several theatre companies, and PTV on Freeman Street offers a Town owned media center.  The Town also owns the VMCC and just finished a successful Winter class program.  The arts and the community spaces available are alive and well in Provincetown. 

What is not alive and well is our housing situation.  No, the housing crisis is not over. 

The need for summer workforce housing is greater now more than ever.  With the current national climate we may be searching for summer employees from programs other than the government visas.   We need summer workforce housing. 

I can not say it better than Mr. Richter, when he spoke about the housing crisis, "Every other town on the Cape should take a good look at what's happening here and take steps to deal with it now. The changes you make today will affect what happens to you 10 or 15 years down the road."  With that, I want to affirm our 2011 vote and preserve the use of our Community Center for a purpose identified in our housing playbook.

Please join me at Town Meeting on April 3, 2017 and Vote yes on Article 17.

Gordon Siegel

Petitioned Article - Sale of the Community Center Building.

To see if the Town will vote to, as the sovereign authority, direct that the Board of Selectmen uphold and implement all terms and conditions of the April 4, 2011 Special Town Meeting, Article 5, titled Sale of the Community Center Building, and order them to rescind, void, and, or nullify, any and all leases or other agreements awarded, or attempted to be awarded, pursuant to a bidding process that did not adhere to the requirement that the premises be sold and not leased, and to further authorize the Board of Selectmen to sell said parcel, pursuant to the procedures set forth in General Laws Chapter 30B, on such terms and conditions that promote the ideals as articulated in the Provincetown Housing Playbook; the land being all or a portion of Assessors Map No.7-2, Parcel No. 62, located at 46 Bradford St., and commonly known as the Community Center Building; or take any other action relative thereto.

2:44 pm edt 

Harbor Hill

Is the Harbor Hill purchase by the town dead, I sure hope so.
2:32 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Tree

It was indeed healthy, not perfect but in decent shape. The only problem with it is that it was in the way! Take it from a professional arborist, from what I saw it could have lived another 100 years. It's a joke that a town employee, who has been known to stretch the truth in the past for the TM. Who also has absolutely no training in horticulture and had the BoS, TM and Hatch's agenda in mind all of a sudden said it was diseased. I wonder if it would have been cut down if the CC wasn't going to be given away to Hatch and his cronies? I can tell you unequivocally NO, not unless the new owners of the property, if it were allowed to be sold, wanted it gone.
Not everybody in this town is a gullible, feeble minded sheep.
2:31 pm edt 

Re: Tree Warden

This is the Problem with the New Proposed Tree Warden

It appears not to be a position to protect trees--but to allo9w the town and DPW and Richard Waldo to cut down any tree that gets in a developer's way. he will be empowered to take it down. so any tree will now be vulnerable. the tree at the Recreation Center was taken down to facilitate the transfer to a new renter--they didn't even get a second opinion.

Here we go. Hold on to your trees Provincetown. there are more to be taken down, cut down and removed.
2:29 pm edt 

Re: Housing Trust
"Who are the members of the housing trust? Can somebody here list them, please?" 
Housing Trust Trustees:

Thomas Donegan - Term Ends 12/31/19
Christopher Mathieson - Term Ends 12/31/19 
Rob Anderson - Term Ends 12/31/18
Christopher Andrews - Term Ends 12/31/18
Kevin Mooney - Term Ends 12/31/17
9:54 am edt 

Re: Community Center

Now we payed to take a beautiful HEALTHY tree down,
Everything else aside......that tree at the community center was far from healthy.
9:52 am edt 

Friday, March 17, 2017

Fre: Housing Trust

Who are the members of the housing trust? Can somebody here list them, please?
11:26 pm edt 

Re: Housing Trust
"Who is the vice chair of the Housing Trust?"
The housing trustee with all the trouble, was at town meeting speaking in favor of Harbor Hill. He announced himself as Vice Chair.  He also was at BOS meeting this month where he bullied his neighbors in a recent meeting concerning the street light on Winthrop Street. He circumvented the town and his neighbors and he had the street light removed because because he didn't like it shining into his bedroom at his new house. Thirty eight neighbors and town folk wanted it back for safety reasons. Since the police chief responded with there were no reports filed at that location. He won
11:23 pm edt 

Re: Wayne Martin

If this sentence doesn't speak volumes about its author " I ain't stoopid " lmao. Seriously dude you have to quit watching CNN and MSNBC it's melting your brain. WOW!
11:20 pm edt 

Re: Housing Trust

In my opinion, the Housing trust board was hand picked for their looks not their background and even to me, as a gay male, why are their no women on this board? I don't like it.
5:29 pm edt 

Re: Housing Trust

But there is diversity on the Housing Trust. Some of the old white guys live on the East End, some on the West. Please.  And who needs a female ever in Provincetown. Some dude puts on a sequined gown, crap wig, smears on some makeup and lip syncs Cher or Liza...and that,my friends, is all the woman this Town has ever needed. And what a tiresome thing it is. 
5:27 pm edt 

Re: Wayne Martin

"Now I'm really starting to understand why a certain faction of this town is deathly afraid of Mr. Martin becoming selectman."

The only thing me and Bunny are afraid of is the town turning into a bigger clown show w Mr Martian and Bow Tie running things. I ain't afraid of death, just stoopid people.
4:23 pm edt 

Re: Housing Trust

Who is the vice chair of the Housing Trust?

And if there are illegal actions involving tenants--this person should be off this trust. it surely was a rushed trust, done too fast and not enough vetting of individuals. also--there is such a diversity. Not one woman on the trust. this is shameful. Five men do  not a diverse group make! Except in this town.
2:15 pm edt 

Mark Hatch vs BOS

Is it not curious that as soon as the fincom got on board with Harbor Hill, then the BOS decided to lease the CC to hatch and his buddies. Shouldn't f incom be able to see that HH is a money loser from day 1.
2:13 pm edt 

Re: Wayne Martin

Mr. Maritin's right! Andrews cites that we didn't say they couldn't lease the CC and she is correct. We also didn't say they couldn't do a thousand other things with the CC because that's not what we were voting on. By her reasoning they could have turned it in to a brothel or opium den too. Andrews' excuse was ridiculous on its face and as far as it needing paint the sereral people that wanted to buy it could have done it. Instead any perspective buyer got scared off by what happened to the others that tried to purchase it for other housing projects.

Now I'm really starting to understand why a certain faction of this town is deathly afraid of Mr. Martin becoming selectman, and will say and do  anything to stop that from happening. I also can see why he has been so successful in court, whoever taught him, taught, him well. it seems to be that he has a great deal of common sense, is not afraid to speak his mind and like he said in a previous post he calls a spade a spade. These are traits I notice that are not common or popular in this area.
2:10 pm edt 

Re: CommunityCenter, VFW & Harbor Hill Giveaways

Give me a break the selectmen are the reason why the Community Center failed to sell in the first place by placing too many restrictions on what could be done with it and souring the deals. Now we payed to take a beautiful HEALTHY tree down, we also fork over $160,000 to fix it all for Mark Hatch. Also not to mention giving him the cheapest lease for a property like that, besides what is going on at the VFW, that this town has ever seen. Now it's HH cluster F, a cheaply built, half delapitated, money pit that we are willing to pay more than 3X the amount that Coastal Acres sold for that came with  20X the land plus plus. WTF is going on in this town? You people can't be this naive or should I say gullible! Try laying off the bottle and the pipe and thinking for yourselves, do your own homework for a change, and for god sakes stop drinking the Kool-Aid! Giveaway
2:03 pm edt 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

Wow! It is disgusting to Look closely at 350 Bradford

It is sickening. and who is to blame? whom do you think? Maria, Maria, Maria.

We lost a dune. We lost a wonderful welcoming place. We lost our soul.

she simply disgusts me. We are better than this and  better than her sick, distorted plans for this town that she does not know and never will understand.

Just take a look. this hole, this destruction to  environment is her work.
2:00 pm edt 

Re: Housing Trust

So who's the vice chair of the year round rental housing trust?

It isn't on the website or in the one instance of minutes posted.
1:58 pm edt 

Strong Opinion

You're an a..hole. Do you realize how many idiots landlords have to deal with, especially in this transient town. The folks on town boards volunteer their time. I do not agree with Harbor Hill but you are just a      a..hole for posting this crap.
1:57 pm edt 


I saw a post on Community Space a few days ago about a REMAX office opening in Provincetown... Yet another instance where this "Formula Business" bylaw is garbage. CVS, let me be one of the first to welcome you to town. Looking forward to savings, and will most certainly be applying to one of the year round jobs you are providing.
1:54 pm edt 

Re: Wayne Martin

Someone is ghost writing Wayne's posts. No more misspelling and bad grammar rants. Unless Wayne fooled us all and got an on-line PhD from Phoenix College over last Christmas.
1:53 pm edt 

Thursday, March 16, 2017

Re: Housing Trust

I recommend everyone check out the Orleans Court or Provincetown Town hall regarding the VC of the YRRHT.  He has criminal tenant behavior and has been involved in landlord tenant court actions for months.  Furthermore, he has numerous zoning and building violations still open at Town Hall.    The PPD arrested him last year for Domestic Violence.  We are letting this person be a part of the YRRHT.   ALL future tenants beware:  This man has no regard for Tenant Landlord law or apparently rules in general.  Great job picking the Trustees.  Taxpayers, get ready for a lawsuit or two, this guy is no stranger to Court.
5:23 pm edt 

Wayne Martin Re Community Center

We didn't tell them they couldn't knock it down, use it as a controlled burn for firefighters, or use it as public bathrooms either. The vote we took was to sell it not what else it could be used for. Andrews just threw up some classic BS double talk and expected people to swallow it. Please people try using your heads for something else other than a hat rack! It's much like a search warrant, where as it specifies what you can do and not what you can't, because that could be limitless. We voted to sell the CC not give the selectmen free reign to do what they wanted with it. The intent in this matter couldn't have been clearer and any attorney worth his weight in salt could rip her BS excuse/explanation apart.

Also I can assure you I am not part of the establishment! Lol
5:20 pm edt 

Wednesday, March 15, 2017

Grace is Running

And we should name her for who she is: Grace Ryder McPherson.

  that is who she is.

  Mademoiselle Puppet or Puppette de Gloria!

11:40 pm edt 

Keep Your Eyes on the Prize

"I went back and looked at Mr. Martin's posts over the past month which there're only a few and could find no instances where he..."

Ha! A month? Are you kidding? Try researching back at least 8 months. Better yet, go back 2 years. You'll find enough Wayne Conspiracy Theories (WCT) that outweigh Trump's belief in microwave spying.

But I've got a conspiracy theory of my own. What if all this Wayne stuff is smoke and mirrors...keeping the public's eye off of Bow Tie, the BOS and the Townie Planner? Maybe Wayne is in on it all.

11:39 pm edt 

Stop It! enough Wayne Martin Crap

No one is interested. Please, web master, stop this dribble. it is negatively affecting your blog. this is just yuk! Keep posting and your posts will end up as irrelevant.

11:37 pm edt 

Re: Wayne Martin

"If he can drive you people this crazy just think what he could do to Mr. Bow tie and the rest of jokers at the Town Hall HA!!!"

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO INFER WITH MY COMMENTS!! I guarantee Town Hall and the cops are fearing the possibility of a Selectman Martin.




Raf isn't running so there's an open seat trying to be occupied by Siegal and Venden, neither of whom I see as good candidates that could get things done. Wayne, you could but you have to take out papers and run first.
11:36 pm edt 

An Observation

Provincetown's own little Liberal media pulls out all the stops and goes way back to his grade school years and drops a bomb shell on Martin's non existent campaign. They have exposed that he had a short lived nick name in school in which they had no clue of what the origins were. Who needs CNN MSNBC and the rest of the Trump bashers when we have you geniuses!
11:34 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Lease

Selectman Andrews made a good point at the BOS meeting on Monday: The article from 2011 "authorized" the selectmen to sell the building. That means Town Meeting gave them permission to sell it. We didn't require or direct them to sell it. I'm not a lawyer, but signing a lease doesn't seem to be violating either the spirit or letter of that vote. They certainly tried to sell it several times, and all failed quite dramatically. I'm just glad it won't keep sitting there looking forlorn and screaming "paint me!" too much longer.
11:33 pm edt 

Re: Dr. Moriarty

Let me get this straight now, first he's a cunning mastermind that plans his crimes so methodically so as to be unable to be convicted by MA 's best and brightest law enforcement and criminal prosecutors, now you're saying he's an idiot "Bone Head"? Once again I don't know how much rent he's paying in your heads but it can't be enough.
11:31 pm edt 

From: Wayne Martin

Yes folks it's true for a short period of time ( until my hair grew out ) I was branded with that nick name by one Lance Smith. I showed up to hockey practice with a crew cut after having long feathered hair which was the norm back then. It in fact had absolutely nothing to do with my IQ or having a lack of common sense. By all means when you are proven wrong once again and have no intelligent retort, revert to pubescent name calling. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures. Lmao
P.S. I did quite well in school lettering in three sports, math, and also had a very healthy social life. Not to mention being an avid hunter and fisherman, two things which I still enjoy very much.
11:30 pm edt 

Re: Louise Venden

OMG Louise,
You have never answered any question with anything but babble. You have anger issues apparent by several of your last meetings.. walking out shouting and calling other members of our community names. I can't believe how unprofeesional you are.  I have other information about you and your personal connection to mark Hatch and Creative Commons.  I hope you enjoy your payoff. Too bad you are a pushover and could never be in a position of authority. You also forget things and peoples names and positions.  I say, stay home and take a rest something is clearly bothering you. Many of my girlfriends and I just can't seem to bring ourselves to vote for you, even during this women's march, you seem to be on the other side.

I wish Grace was running because she's got our vote if she does.

You should stay retired because all these meeting are making you appear very tired and cranky.
11:28 pm edt 

Re: Wayne Martin

News Flash Wayne Martin commercial fisherman/construction worker or under world Mob boss? Now I've heard it all. Boy some of you will say anything to stop this guy from becoming a selectman, try getting a life! I hope he's paying good rent for all the time he's spending in your head. If he can drive you people this crazy just think what he could do to Mr. Bow tie and the rest of jokers at the Town Hall HA!!!
6:30 pm edt 

Dr. Moriarty

So let me get this straight, even when Mr. Martin is found to be not guilty, exonerated of any wrong doing and out of court settlements have been paid to him and others, yet still some of you can find no credence in what he is saying about police misconduct. Or it's just that he is that much more intelligent than the police, the DA's office, Truro's town council and their insurance company? You sure give him a lot of credit and I can't wait to meet Mr. Martin or should I say the diabolical Professor Moriarty.
6:29 pm edt 

Re: Wayne Martin

Mr Martin fondly remembers a gentler kinder Provincetown. The Provincetown where his high school nickname was Bonehead.
6:27 pm edt 

From: Wayne Martin  "Cunning Criminal"?

Were you describing me or some police personnel? Lmao! So you know in each and every case that was brought against me and also those that I assisted others on, the cases were either thrown out before trial because the police had lied or in the one case where it went to trial it was shown that the police and their so called witnesses both lied! In this same case it took the jury less than 12 min to leave the court room and come back with a not guilty verdict, FACT!!! Not once has there ever been an investigation in any of the matters I have been involved with just accusations by the police followed by charges, also a  FACT! Although many do consider me quite cunning/ intelligent, a criminal I am not. I am nothing like the rest of my siblings in that regard, I actually help others whenever I can and I don't drink or do drugs. I just recently had a senior citizen offer me 10k for helping him out in a legal matter and he also wanted to make me executor/administrator  of his estate. I told him that his thanks was payment enough and I don't help out people for money I do it  out of the goodness of my heart and it's the right thing to do, my dad taught me better than that.

P.S. He was upset with me at first when I would not take his money but he understood where I was coming from.

Maybe now you might better understand what kind of person I am and why I am such a threat to corrupt Police/town officials. Their only recourse against a person like me is to attempt to impugn my character and slander my name in hopes to discredit what I say. A ploy I might add which is usually only effective on the weak minded.
3:59 pm edt 

Enough on and by Wayne martin

This is not the Wayne martin show!  Please censor! enough is enough. I don't want to read another headline or word about Wayne martin. Please.
2:20 pm edt 

A Shared Insight

People with long memories will know that all they ever got Al Capone on was tax evasion. Being found "Not Guilty" every time while claiming innocence might also mean that you are a cunning enough criminal to think your crimes through so as not to get convicted...
10:43 am edt 

Question Regarding Censoring

Whats with the censoring, Clarence? It's like trying to post on town 'talk'
9:12 am edt 

Re: Wayne Martin Fact Check

I went back and looked at Mr. Martin's posts over the past month which there're only a few and could find no instances where he brought up an ex-employer or anything like that.  Also the only cases I found when he brought up the police or his family was in response to what others had posted.  And this was simply to defend himself and or his position. So how can somebody repeat something Mr. Martin said when he didn't say it in the first place? For someone that claims not to care about Mr. Martin's so called life/opera they seem to spend an awful lot of time talking about it and interjecting himself or herself in Mr. Martin's personal affairs.
Once again is any one on here claiming that he has lied about anything he has stated and if so please show us the proof of it accompanied by your name.
9:10 am edt 

From: Wayne Martin

Who has ever said anything about me having a problem with an ex-employer, not me that's just more BS spewing out of some lying idiots mouth.  As for the police wasn't it this town that fired the last chief for supposed misdeeds? Or was that all made up? Why is it that Truro's disgraced X Chief ended up in jail? I made a dozen complaints against him for exactly what he went to jail for! The selectmen wouldn't even fire that drunk when he was proved to be a drunken child endangerer.
Why is it that the TPD has got rid of 5 officers and one Animal control officer since the reign of Takakjian? Three of which are currently named in lawsuits, the other two are being subpoenaed to testify against Takakjian and one is suing the town. Not to mention all the lawsuits that have been filed against the TPD since Takakjian became chief more than any other time in the history of Truro!
Yeah I must be full of s... right! As for my family, anybody that knows my brother knows he's a POS and he and his married girlfriend who has two different counts of felony larceny against her are taking advantage of our sick mother, all of which are incontrovertible FACTS! To make it perfectly clear I currently don't have problems with anybody else. 
I always take responsibility for what I say and do, why do you think I always put my name to my posts. If ever I was to screw up or do something wrong I will be the first to admit.
9:08 am edt 

Tuesday, March 14, 2017

Re: Crime & Corruption

"Are you saying he's lying about what the outcome in these cases are? If not I don't understand your comments about him taking responsibility for his actions."

I simply repeated the various groups that Wayne himself has stated are conspiring against him. The police, his family, ex-employers, etc,etc,etc. And I will say this. Provincetown does need a voice, several voices, who stand for the general population. If Wayne runs and wins as a Selectman, more power to him. But,no one is without fault. So grow up. No one believes or expects Wayne to be perfect. But by denying any wrongdoing or miscalculation in life is foolish. Including Mr Mark Hatch. Right, Mr Dead Dear? 
11:54 pm edt 

Housing Crisis

I am confused as to the direction of our town. We talk about how important housing is during a housing crisis, yet we are dispersing our town assets like they are candy- A lease for a dollar,  a lease for 2,000.00. I have lived in Martha's Vineyard and now live here and these "unusable town buildings" are gold mines. You could sell these buildings for much more lucrative deals than Creative Commons aka Provincetown Compact. The other proposal was for 600,000.00 which would have had an impact on our housing needs.  I just don't think during a housing Crisis we should be downscaling the value of our community by selling out to a lease. Housing should be first as Sarah Peake and Julian Cyr so adamantly stated at our special town meeting when we all voted to buy Harbor Hill.  I believe they would want housing first and then cater to secondary things like Community , Media, Art, and cultural centers. Housing is always first and I believe it is why both Tom Donegan and Eric Yingling were not there for the vote about the "Lease Signing".. Especially Tom, as there is an uncertainty about Harbor Hill even happening. Plan B should be in order if the YRHT has any concerns about housing. What is their plan B or was Harbor Hill all that was considered. Why are we carelessly handling town assets which in many towns have been converted to housing. I hope the 500 hundred people who stood in favor of housing show up for the April 3 Town Meeting so we can vote on the dispersement of a valuable housing asset. I feel sadden and frustrated by all the double speak.  So I ask, Housing Crisis or Not?
I am afraid to sign my name as I see the anger that this community harvests at times and don't want to be singled out and made an example of as the town folk seem to do if they ever speak in opposition of anything.
11:52 pm edt 

A Question of Common Sense

Police Lack Common Sense in Enforcing Parking Ban

I get why the parking ban went into effect at 2AM, but by 11AM today it should have been apparent to Provincetown's finest that it wasn't going to snow. Yet they were making people move their cars and park a block or two away when it is pouring rain and high winds.
11:48 pm edt 

From: Wayne Martin

Your absolutely right no body cares about anybody else in this town unless their in a position to do something for you. That's why this town is doomed. You just hit the nail on the head exactly! Nobody cares about there fellow man, what a wonderful community we have! It never used to be like this, it only became this way when the political left started running this town, with that came the corruption and crime.
Why should anybody care about what anybody says? Who the F cares what you say. You're all anonymous cowards!
I'm supposed to donate my time and energy to people and a town that doesn't care about truth and justice. Just because you are a selectman doesn't mean you can speak your mind at meetings, I've seen selectmem get shut down by the rest of the board all the time when they didn't like what he/she was saying.
Im just going to act like the rest of you A-holes and take care of myself, oh wait I can't do that because I'm a decent human being.
Once again I don't stand a chance of winning until the status quo changes in the first place.
11:46 pm edt 

Re: Crime & Corruption

All I said was run. Run for the position and expose what you feel is the corruption. You may not have all the time you want at the public comment period but you'll have the entire spotlight if you run and you get your time to say everything you want. Complaining in here does nothing and hasn't done any good, ever.
2:59 pm edt 

Hitting the Nail on the Head

"nobody in the town hall gives two s...s what happens to you!"

Finally in all his profundity Mr. Martin has hit the nail. Does anyone give even one about the Martin family opera that occasionally performs here. Boring!
2:55 pm edt 

Re: Harbor Hill & Louise Venden

I watched the board of selectmen's meeting on PTV last night and Louise Venden seemed so angry and against housing. Last month at town meeting she spoke against housing for Harbor Hill. Last night she spoke in favor of a media center instead of housing. I feel she does not share the town's desire for housing. 
2:54 pm edt 

Re: Crime & Corruption

I have neither talked to nor do I know Mr. Martin personally but I have had the misfortune of dealing with his brother Bobby Martin in social situations. I've been reading all the negative posts on here about Mr. Martin and I'm curious what actions and or misdeeds should he be taking responsibility for that already haven't been litigated?
Seems like he has gone to court and has been found not guilty or the cases have been dismissed outright or at least that's what he says. Are you saying he's lying about what the outcome in these cases are? If not I don't understand your comments about him taking responsibility for his actions.
What exactly has he done that has not been proven false when given his day in court? Please be specific and state your name. I would say if you can't do this it seems that your just out to slander him with anonymous posts like he says.

I will also add that given what is being said about Wayne Martin here and on other social media more accurately describes his brother. So perhaps some if not all of you are confusing him with his brother Bobby who is well known for his psychological and legal problems as well as his temper and addictions.
10:42 am edt 

Re: Community Center Giveaway - Gordon Siegel

The Town voted to give control over the Community Center to the BOS for the sale of the building.  It did not authorize them to rent it.  Look up the motion it's pretty specific.

The BOS are violating the law, Gordon is right.  The question is who is going to take them to court to stop it?
10:37 am edt 

Re: Town Planner Overreach vs Town Manager Incompetency

"If the Planner was a male, he would be hailed as an assertive genius, and have a new road named after him."
What is an assertive genius? Someone that does what they were hired to do? sorry not seeing any genius here male or female
9:51 am edt 

Re: Habor Hill Auction

Given the gag order from the court prohibiting town officials from commenting on Harbor Hills here's an update.  The bidding for Harbor Hills...including the filing of objections, has been reopened to any interested parties.  Here is the announcement:

The original sale hearing and auction for Harbor Hill at Provincetown was continued. Following the hearing on February 27th, however, Judge Feeney approved the high bid of $8,101,620 submitted by the Town of Provincetown, subject to overbidding of at least $8,150,000. Counter offers may not contain any materially different terms from the approved Purchase and Sale Agreement, a copy of which is provided in the Bid Packet.

The Court ordered a further Amended Sale Motion and Notice of Sale be issued, which are available for download, along with the overbid submission materials (&#147;Bid Packet&#148;) here. The Court seeks counter offers or objections by March 29, 2017 at 4:30 PM. Counter offers and objections must be filed with the Clerk, U.S. Bankruptcy Court at 5 Post Office Square, Suite 1150, Boston, MA 02109.

A copy of the counter offer, Bidder Qualification Form, and a deposit of 5% of the counter offer, in the form of a certified check or bank check payable to Warren, E. Agin, Chapter 7 Trustee or wire transfer, must be submitted to the Trustee, Warren E. Agin, by this same time and date. The address for the Trustee is Warren Agin, Swiggart & Agin, LLC, 197 Portland Street, 4th Floor, Boston, MA 02114.

A hearing on the Second Amended Sale Motion, objections, or counter offers is scheduled for April 5, 2017 at 1:00 PM before Judge Joan N. Feeney in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court located at 5 Post Office Square, Suite 1150, Boston, MA 02109. Any party who files an objection or counter offer is expected to be present in Court and must be in person to participate. Bidders may not appear telephonically. If a counter offer is filed with the Court prior to the deadline above, the Court may, in its discretion at the hearing on the Sale Motion, conduct further rounds of bidding by sealed or open bids at its discretion. If no objection is timely filed, the Court, at its discretion, may cancel the scheduled hearing and approve the sale without hearing.
9:48 am edt 

Re: Town Manager

"Is the TM still devaluing and verbally abusing staff?"

How would anyone on this blog know?  what's with the taunting questions? sounds like staffer trying typing some mysterious sos code; must suck working for a bumbling censor. 
9:44 am edt 

Erik Yingling

Arrogance Erik, not serving on BOS, the more likely cause of less friends.
9:42 am edt 

From: Wayne Martin

Another fact is that I have been vindicated every single time in court which I have handled myself and in every case that I helped others in court they were also exonerated. FACT!!! The problem we have is that for the past several years corruption has been the norm due to who is in political power in MA and in these two towns.

This town is a intolerant, bigoted and corrupt sinking ship due to who the numbskulled voters put into power plain and simple. Although there are some decent human beings here, there're a lot more deviant, self serving, low lives who vote for people they can control and who will do their biding. What I saw at the town meeting where Harbor Hill was voted on really showed me how corrupt this towns government is and how many ignorant sheep are registered voters here.

I have no intention of putting my neck on the chopping block for the people who let this town become what it is. When the state comes down to investigate I'm going to be on the outside looking in laughing not caught in the middle of a giant cluster F.

By the way I have tried time and time again to be put on the agenda along with several others so we can show our proof of what's been going on and have been denied every time. It's impossible to make our case in the couple of minutes you get in the beginning of the selectmen's meeting to speak and they know it!!! The sad truth is and I hesitate to say it, if your honest, straight and of moderate income nobody in the town hall gives two shits what happens to you!

9:41 am edt 

A Question & Request

Did Chief Golden sign a new contract? Clarence if so, I hope its posted here for all to see.
9:37 am edt 

From: Wayne Martin

I'm getting sick and tired of some weak minded lying coward who keeps taking shots at me and talking through his ass. What actions should I take responsibility for? what government employees? what X girlfriend don't I get along with? What pet did I harm? Oh you must mean my pet coyote that I had for over 8 years and never had a problem with until the Town of Truro was notified of a lawsuit. The one the cops came and killed after the vet said she was in good condition. The one that the Rangers and the Environmental police were on my side about.
Gee the same thing happened to Luther Bumps and his horse that he had for thirty years until he had a problem with police corruption. Both resulted in the way it was proven that the cops lied and we were exonerated. Now several cops and town employees lost their jobs over it and the so called defendant who is actually the victim of corruption being totally vindicated and the taxpayers having to pay for crooked cops via lawsuits.

I said two months ago that this shit was going to happen to me again if I ran for selectman! And to no great surprise we have anonymous idiots spreading lies, ignoring all the facts and who deflects when he or she is proven wrong.

So another State police investigator is coming down which was at the request of the DA's office. But this time it will be different. This time it will be videoed and there will be a reporter there. They will also be looking at the anonymous criminal harassment posted on all social media sites. So please keep it up so when we find out who keeps spreading lies there is a much greater criminal and civil case against you.

The only action I need to take responsibility for is being a stand up human being who is trying to fight two towns full of corruption. The only difference now is that I am not alone. What is even better is that some of the local police who are tired of the BS are on our side and are speaking out.

Please Please keep it up Hatch, and the anonymous cops that are posting this crap so you can lose your jobs and get sued! You POS corrupt cowards!
9:36 am edt 

Re: Crime & Corruption

Nailed it!

I'm done
9:31 am edt 

Monday, March 13, 2017

Re: Crime & Corruption

"The (Wayne) problem isn't lack of evidence, it's lack of the willingness to honor the oath of office."

Lordy. Wayne is cursed. Cursed by: his close and distant family, various police departments and government officials, former friends, former girlfriends, former employers, former animals who once roamed the earth, etc, etc, etc.


It's always someone else's fault, always some frame-up.

11:51 pm edt 

Re: Crime & Corruption in Provincetown
"Oh please. The fliers you speak of were around over a year ago and did nothing to his 'reputation'."  
No, wrong again the bright yellow defamatory and slanderous flyers were posted all over his neighborhood less than a week ago which the police did nothing about. I was with him when the last State police investigator came down. He had reports, pictures, video, audio, several witnesses, and receipts of property that was stolen and pictures of his property in someone else's possession. We had much more evidence against the theives and the police that helped them steal our property and criminally harass Wayne then they needed to bring charges.
We waited to hear when we would be going to court only to be told months later that there would be no charges filed because they, the state police, and I quote "are not in the business of policing other police departments". So don't tell me that he is full of shit or has no proof! We had folders of evidence that any non bias honest law enforcement officer could have filed charges and got several felony convictions.
The last time he ran, the banner 5 days before the election printed that he robbed his mentally ill elderly mother while she was in the hospital, yeah that's not a F-ing Hatchet job right! Which by the way was a totally false charge that was pressed by the Truro cops. Not only I was a witness in that case which Wayne was totally exonerated of the BS allegation but it came out that the police lied and said they did an investigation and it was shown that they didn't and still nothing was done!

So in short his brother RJM and some of his friends who are good friends with several officers including the chief got to keep all of our property totalling an amount that exceeded 30k.  From now on try knowing what your talking about before you open your mouth again. 

The problem isn't lack of evidence, it's lack of the willingness to honor the oath of office. Also even some of the local police personnel said that there were several crimes committed but don't expect anything do be done about it that also was told to the investigator to which he replied " I'm the one doing the investigation not them".

Right now Wayne is dealing with a lot with the TPD, his brother, his brothers married girlfriend and his sick mother which seems to strangely coincide with his announcement to run again a couple of months ago.
6:33 pm edt 

Provincetown Like Nowhere Else

Provincetown is really nothing more than a poorly written fairy tale.

Huff and puff and nothing happens.

New police station? Nothing done, but a lot of smoke (and some mirrors)

Community Center? Nothing done, but a lot of talk about what should be done. No smoke and mirrors, but a lot of b... s...

Housing: Nothing done, but some serious discussion. Lots of smoke, mirrors, and b...s....

Smoke, mirrors, and b...s.... Provincetown: like nowhere else!
6:28 pm edt 

Re: Maria Maria.......Maria!

Maria, Maria, Maria--I Just Want to sing Maria

I must be watching the blog just too much.

Maria, Maria--such a lovely name!
6:22 pm edt 

Breaking News - Obama Care
Nonpartisan analysts project that 14 million people would lose coverage next year under the House bill dismantling former President Barack Obama’s health care law. The estimate is a blow to Republicans.

Monday’s estimate by the Congressional Budget Office says the number of uninsured would grow to 24 million by 2026.

4:55 pm edt 

Re: Crime & Corruption in Provincetown

Oh please. The fliers you speak of were around over a year ago and did nothing to his "reputation". What he is is what he has made of himself over the years on his own. Let the Banner slash away. Who cares what the Banner thinks anyway. Remember their take on the presidential election? Are you going to let a newspaper sway your vote? if I remember correctly, didn't the Banner make the suggestion to Wayne, through it's editorial , for him to join a couple of committees and boards to get a feel for working together with others? And has he? So what makes him any better a candidate today? If there's corruption, show us all by example with facts. Wayne loves to make claims but never has the actual facts from credible sources or actual proof to support his claims. Allegations are just that. His interpretation of the facts isn't something that's the final say of what reality is. I say he should put his candidacy on the line and run to straighten out the so called mess he sees. Otherwise, he has no firm stance on the situation and can continue to make his claims in here where nobody cares.
4:30 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

VERBAL ABUSE = Destructive

Is the TM still devaluing and verbally abusing staff?
12:21 pm edt 

Re: Crime & Corruption in Provincetown

Wayne Martin, not the boy who cried wolf, more like the man that spoke the truth. Ever since I heard he was thinking about running for selectmen there seems to be nothing but problems for him again. More false allegations, him getting dragged into court, they have even posted extremely defamatory and slanderous flyers about him on telephone poles in town which is my understanding the police were made aware of and left up.

Why should he, Wayne, run for selectmen? Even on the extremely unlikelihood that he won his vote wouldn't mean a thing not with this current BoS and TM. Look at what a hatchet job the Banner did to him last time he ran. Who would want to put him or herself through that when they don't have a realistic chance of winning and it would most likely bring him/ her more legal problems.

No sir this town made its own bed by electing the current town officials and the shitty decisions they made, now try sleeping in it! Maybe this will be a good learning experience for some of you, if you are still capable of learning after the years of drug and alcohol abuse have addled your brains.

P.S. There're two main kinds of people in this town. The sheep that follow blindly without challenging or ever asking a question and the ostriches that just go through life with the heads buried in the sand oblivious and unconcerned about what is happening as long as it doesn't effect them. Quite frankly neither one of these two kinds are worth their weight in manure!
8:54 am edt 

Crime & Corruption

Wayne lol, Wrong answer! And who are you to speak for most of Ptown? I believe just by the postings on here that most people know there is many things wrong with this towns government and chief of police. By the way officer, isn't it against department  policy to post on these sites? You're not fooling anyone and just by singling Wayne out gives credibility to what you think he wrote but I actually did. So you know the reasons I refuse to put my name to my post is because I don't want what happened to Mr. Martin and others that spoke out against corruption happening to me. What chance does a straight honest man have of becoming a selectmen in this town anyhow.

Nope not Wayne and I sure don't envy him either!
8:51 am edt 

Re: Town Planner Overreach vs Town Manager Incompetency

"That a bow -tied Town Manager would allow a single woman to whip up his a--."

Not agreeing with the actions of the Town Planner is one thing, but this is pure sexism. If the Planner was a male, he would be hailed as an assertive genius, and have a new road named after him. Lol.
8:48 am edt 

Re: Town Planner Incompetency

I would think for all you nit-pickers out there, someone would have made the correction.

knew you would pick it up, throw some blanket judgement statement our way and then be proud of yourself for catching it..boring.  Go work on the plan.
8:44 am edt 

Re: An Allegation

Pretty random. Is this a public figure?

I know right? Vent to your boss when he gets back from FL.
8:39 am edt 

Sunday, March 12, 2017

Re: Town Planner Overreach vs Town Manager Incompetency

Here is that is truly amazing!

That a bow -tied Town Manager would allow a single woman to whip up his a--. Who would allow any man to allow this unsubstantial woman to dominate him? How would any Town Manger allow anyone to treat him as if he is a nothing-- an insubstantial piece of whatever!!

Sharon Lynn would never have allowed this Town Planner to treat her this way.

Why would David play himself so whimsically before this woman?
9:39 pm edt 

Re: Crime & Corruption in Provincetown


Either run and change the status quo or shut the hell up. Posting in here does nothing and your allegations against the "system" are just that, allegations against an alleged "system" that most of the town doesn't agree exists. Whine all you want in here but nobody is listening anymore and nothing gets done. Ever heard of he boy who cried wolf? That's becoming you more and more.

Run and change it. DO something about it and expose it!
9:36 pm edt 

Re: Proposed CVS

"Is this "1,000 People per hour" data true? This is fascinating to me, I researched it and found nothing about bicycle or pedestrian traffic, smells like fake news! The Cape Cod Commission Traffic Study does not have any data at all on pedestrian counts, only car counts. Even if one were to assume a mistake was made in thinking "Cars" meant "Pedestrians", the counts from cars indicate a maximum volume of 750 Cars and only from 4-5 PM on Route 6 leaving town."

Don't believe the hype. The study is based on normal CVS or other retail stores in areas of the country where they have 360 degrees of attraction from towns all around them. In Provincetown , keep in mind, we only have residents and visitors here and then people that may travel here from Truro or Wellfleet. We don't have towns on all sides of us. If I could get 1000 people per hour to visit a store selling ANYTHING I would open one in a heartbeat. Name another store with 1000 visitors per hour? If we want real facts, get some info and insight from Stop & Shops numbers. That's a large retail business in town and they must have traffic numbers. The commission came up with similar numbers years ago in Truro when Stop & Shop wanted to build in Truro. Their traffic person estimated about 2500 trips per day. Not real numbers when you deal with towns surrounded by water as opposed to other towns.
9:34 pm edt 

Re: Historic District Commission

To the member of HDC that responded to my question about the windows at  the former West End Market, Thank you for your response and the truly nice manner of  doing so. Very much appreciated.
6:05 pm edt 

Re: An Allegation

"I tired of working for someone who walks around with a massive chip on their shoulder but doesn't do a damn thing. She shows up 5 minutes before we open and leaves 15-30 minutes before we close leaving a mess but never lifting a finger to help. She isn't a celebrity she's          loser on some game shows. A fat, lazy POS who posts more on social media about her fake life than anyone I have ever seen. All she does all damn day is text and post text and post. If people aren't feeding her ego she can't handle it. Maybe they all need to know the truth." 

Anybody want to give the rest of us a clue as to who this post is referring to? Seems like someone's personal rant. Pretty random. Is this a public figure?
5:59 pm edt 

Re: Historic District Commission

Thanks for Asking about the windows on the former West End Market

As  member of the Historic District commission, these are not the windows that we approved. These are not the windows that will finally be installed. it will be returned, as per our decision, to what it had been before the renovation.

Thank you for your attention to this.
3:35 pm edt 

Re: Community Center Giveaway - Gordon Siegel

"His "facts" are made up hyperbole and flat wrong."

Doesn't matter, 2011 town meeting vote is not hyperbole. Who is behind this idea for creative commons? I mean really behind it?
3:31 pm edt 

Re: An Allegation

Just for facts sake? how would you know and who cares? unless your counting and perpetual need to be right, ( without ever being able to prove) is a deflection from the posts that have merit. #stopridiculespost
3:27 pm edt 

Re: Town Planner Incompetency

"Have you even read the 2000 Local Comprehensive Plan"
Actually I have read it, in 2000 and recently. 4 years after planner was hired to coordinate committee and rewrite, nothing. The time to organize commit and forums was in 2014 instead of planning 365 meetings and getting involved with things that weren't in job description. No supervision, following own agenda, power cow, nothing new here people. As far as a petition to eliminate? She has too many people snowed into believing she knows what she is doing including the censoring town manager
3:22 pm edt 

Re: Historic District Commission

Did the new windows at the Commercial St. store formerly the West End Market pass the Historic District approval? These sure aren't what I would expect HDC to allow. They look cheap and ugly.
12:54 pm edt 

An Allegation

I tired of working for someone who walks around with a massive chip on their shoulder but doesn't do a damn thing. She shows up 5 minutes before we open and leaves 15-30 minutes before we close leaving a mess but never lifting a finger to help. She isn't a celebrity she's a          loser on some game shows. A fat, lazy POS who posts more on social media about her fake life than anyone I have ever seen. All she does all damn day is text and post text and post. If people aren't feeding her ego she can't handle it. Maybe they all need to know the truth.  
9:59 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Beacon

The New Beacon Admin has hit yet a new low

Suspended for a week for posting pornography on that page.  Racism, sexism, misogyny and now PORN.  He should be banned from Facebook for life !
9:57 am edt 

Saturday, March 11, 2017

Crime & Corruption in Provincetown

Since this new group of Selectmen hired the current Chief of Police and the POS bow tie TM there has been no room for honesty, ethics, morals or transparency. Even the fact that there has been dozens of complaints against the Chief of Police ( some by senior citizens and veterans ) not to mention more lawsuits that have been filed against him and Lobur nothing has been done. In fact there has been far more complaints against Golden which are of a far more serious nature than there ever were against Jaran. I can only guess that the wrong people are involved in all these incidents so nothing is done about what's been going on.  If this wasn't all bad enough now our votes and their results are being totally ignored by our town government. Why do we even have Town meetings and elections in the first place if this kind of tyranny is allowed to continue. Time for draining the swamp is far past due here and it's time the State gets involved. By calling the AG and the IG ( Inspector General ) this may just happen, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
10:39 pm est 

Re: Questions For the Planning Board - Where are the Plans?& Permits

"The electrical failure at 350 Bradford was nothing more than a failure of the insulators on the primary line (it happens with bad weather)."
The Weather was not a Problem when the Lines caught on fire

the lines linked to the old Michael Shay's. Again, was the fire and the explosion caused by poor and mismanaged construction work at 350 Bradford? it happened right there--right in front of and in the middle of the pit of sand. This is not something that happens often--and we lost power for some time.

Are there permits for this place? ReallY?? Where??
10:34 pm est 

Re: Community Center Giveaway

For the Board of Selectman to be able to enter into a long term lease agreement regarding the community center they've forgotten one thing. There is a standing vote of town meeting of 2011 to sell the building. At the very least they will need to return to Town Meeting for a vote to vacate the 2011 decision to sell. If they don't, the lease will be in illegal
Signed NOT Vince or Gordon
10:32 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS

Is this "1,000 People per hour" data true? This is fascinating to me, I researched it and found nothing about bicycle or pedestrian traffic, smells like fake news! The Cape Cod Commission Traffic Study does not have any data at all on pedestrian counts, only car counts. Even if one were to assume a mistake was made in thinking "Cars" meant "Pedestrians", the counts from cars indicate a maximum volume of 750 Cars and only from 4-5 PM on Route 6 leaving town.

Off subject but when researching the Cape Cod Commission Report I did learn about a proposal to put a rotary in where Cemetery rd. intersects with Conwell, thought that was neat and could eliminate the many near death experiences by cyclists and motorists at that spot.
10:29 pm est 

Re: Questions For the Planning Board - Where are the Plans?
"Was the Loss of Electricity Caused by Unsupervised and Unregulated and a lack of engineering at 350 Bradford--the once Michael Shay's??

Did we lose electricity because of a lack of oversight at this development?"
The electrical failure at 350 Bradford was nothing more than a failure of the insulators on the primary line (it happens with bad weather). It had no more to do with the development there than the idea that people that throw that out there have any idea of what they speak of.......
10:54 am est 

Just Posted on Town Talk:  

I wish this site was not censored by the Town Manager and allowed all Town topics to be discussed. We don't need more censorship in our Government, we need transparency. Mr. Panagore please stop censoring us and add our posts.
8:11 am est 

Questions For the Planning Board - Where are the Plans?

Was the Loss of Electricity Caused by Unsupervised and Unregulated and a lack of engineering at 350 Bradford--the once Michael Shay's??

Did we lose electricity because of a lack of oversight at this development? Did we lose electricity because the work being done lacks the right permits and the needed engineering plans? Is this because of incompetence or greed by those involved in developing this site?

And where are the planning board's "plans"? What did happen here?

Did we lose power because of a failure by the developers ?
1:26 am est 

Friday, March 10, 2017

From Vincent Breglia - Posted on Provincetown Voters

Attention Provincetown voters. On Monday, March 13th at 6:00 p.m. the town manager is scheduled to finalize the lease with Creative Commons. This will give our Community Center to benefit the arts not housing. We voted to sell and the town manager decided to change our vote. There is an article on the warrant to fulfill the 2011 vote to sell not lease the Community Center. If you believe we need housing and want this matter decided at town hall by voters, write a letter or send an email to the town manager and selectmen asking them to wait until the voters can decide in May before any leases are signed. If You want the community Center used for housing instead of an art center, please write a letter.
Thank You for listening,
I will answer any questions through private messages. Community First
Housing First
8:37 pm est 

Panagore is a Joke

Any post that is remotely critical of the town gets deleted from Town; talk.  You know what, David, calling people at 4:30 AM to tell them about a storm 48 hours away is JUST PLAIN STUPID.  So either you are just plain stupid or you are incapable of fixing what is obviously a flaw in the system.  Which is it?  And how do you not resign in shame at your own incompetence?
8:34 pm est 

Re: Maria...Maria!

Just for facts sake it is actually six different people! I realize it must be confusing
8:31 pm est 

Re: Maria...Maria!

"Who is Maria that people are writing about?"

It's not a coterie, it's ONE person. Take a look at the grammar. It's the Puppet Master, obsessed. And don't expect to ever know who Maria is. His postings are obscure, useless and once he gets on a tear, nonsensical.
4:23 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Incompetency

You Missed Her third Position: Developer

She is and came here as a developer and as an advocate for key developers in Provincetown. she is their strong advocate at all cost and at a detriment to many other building possibilities. Look at the disaster for all of us at the old Michael shay's. but it remains a developer's dream--take down the dunes; strip away all of the trees; dig deep into the land; destroy whatever was there. and this pit hole is a symbol of what she allows developers to do.

Yes, her third position: developer par excellance! she is well paid for this third role.
4:22 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Incompetency

Well one technical problem she is not a town staffer she is a developer.
3:22 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Incompetency

"She does her job better than most of the people downstairs."
You think to highly of yourself Gloria. Nice try. 
2:15 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Incompetency

Have you even read the 2000 Local Comprehensive Plan? Things have changed over the years, but it's still extremely relevant. Blaming a town staffer for not writing a plan that has to be written by committee according to the Cape Cod Commission is just another personal attack on someone you have a bone to pick with. She does her job better than most of the people downstairs.
2:12 pm est 

Louise Venden - Provincetown Beacon March 10, 2017

The Planning Board did a great job last night in reviewing the site plan proposal for CVS at the Riley T-shirt store site. They asked good questions and raised important concerns about traffic impacts, pedestrian safety, and proposed parking spaces on narrow Standish Street among others. Public statements pointed out that a traffic study last year estimated that 1,000 people per hour cross Bradford between Riley's and Tedeschi each HOUR. Another speaker pointed out that the proposed CVS leased space was close to 11,000 SF, not 9,000 SF and called for the Board to [send]end the proposal to the Cape Cod Commission for further review of community impacts. The Board asked the applicant to conduct a traffic study and continued the hearing until April 24.
1:11 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Must Go!

Method for removing the Town Planner: At Town Meeting raise a petition to defund her position.
12:55 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Must Go!

She can't be fired, she holds currently two major positions, planner and now conservation agent now that Deb is gone. Pretty scary, no?
12:52 pm est 

Re: Community Housing - Siegel is Wrong

Well if we haven't signed a lease, I'm not sure grounds for suit.  And wow, Hatch is going to sue the Town?  Will Jay Critchley and John Dowd be signing on to that too? 
12:49 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Must Go!

I want Gloria fired!!!!!!!!! Now please !
12:00 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Incompetency

And they Quote and Use the Local comprehensive Plan from-----2000???

Please. this is insane. Att. Veara, under the "guidance" of town Planner is using the Local Comprehensive Plan to defend the proposed CVS. Yet it was written seventeen years ago and it is the work of the Town Planner and has been for the last three and a half years to re-write and present an updated Local Comprehensive Plan.

Instead, she spends her time controlling boards for her own agenda.

Obviously, she is incapable of thinking strategically and incapable of being a trained and professional town planner to carry out this essential work.  Her training: speaking French. that is not enough to do the detail work necessary for a well-thought-out and comprehensive Local Comprehensive Plan. Yes, that is why it is called: comprehensive.

so far--all we have is what we had when she arrived: an old, unrepresentative Local Comprehensive Plan that fails to provide the direction and true vision Provincetown needs.
11:55 am est 

Re: Community Housing - Siegel is Wrong

Siegel thinks he can derail the Community Center RFP process with an article he submitted for Town Meeting. What a time waster! The Creative Commons group has a big-name law firm behind them, so he's just setting the town up for a lawsuit.

His "facts" are made up hyperbole and flat wrong.

Housing is a nice idea, but it's so impractical and expensive at that site that it's infeasible unless it's luxury units. The bike shop plan for dorms was shot down, the land swap was shot down, and the latest dorm proposal was vague and had zero community support.

If housing would be so easy to do there, why didn't he submit a proposal for the RFP to build it?

11:48 am est 

Re: Maria...Maria!

Who is Maria that people are writing about?
11:45 am est 

Petition Against Community Center Give Away

I invite you to click on the link below to sign the petition asking the Board of Selectmen to delay the leasing of our Community Center this Monday, until after Town Meeting, 21 days from Monday, and not usurp our Town Meeting decisions. Thank you.
11:44 am est 

Memory is Fleeting

How quickly you all forget

Last summer you were happy to hear richter was purchasing a house in Truro and now you accuse him of supporting HH to get an apartment.

I highly doubt with his income and his wife owning a restaurant living in HH is an actually plan.
11:42 am est 

Re: An Allegation

For the record my initial submission didn't include the words allegation

But the powers that be on here can't seem to post half the submissions and appear to edit 1/2 of those they do

Not that this one will even make it to press
11:41 am est 

Re: Town Planner Must Go!

I want Gloria fired!!!!!!!!!
11:39 am est 

Town Planner & Grace Ryder O'Malley

Provincetown  politics. So Gloria has chosen a spokesperson and her name is Grace. They have worked together and they are willing to make the town into their vision. One that does not matter to the voters. I like Grace but she is only pushing the agenda of Gloria for housing. So is she voting against the Community Center "giveaway" on Monday at the Town Manager's request. Is she going to be a True Townie and vote against the Community Center lease on Monday or is going to be more of the same old same  old and recuse herself? I know Vincent Breglia and Gordon Siegel have been adamantly against losing another town owned asset that doesn't help in anyway in solving our housing crisis.  Robert Anthony voted for the Community Center to be leased to the Finance Chair instead of housing. Do we want more of this ?
11:37 am est 

Town Planner Must Go!

Please Town officials please remove Town Planner From our town no comprehensive town plan I voted for her position I want her removed now recall her fire remove her
11:23 am est 

Thursday, March 9, 2017

Re: A Critical Allegation

Alligation is not a word. The word is spelled allegation.  I would think for all you nit-pickers out there, someone would have made the correction.
2:27 pm est 

Maria's Pet running for Selectmen

Look and she is there. Now the little puppette is running for selectman. "Maria, Maria, Maria"--she will be singing as she has for the last three years.

She has no voice except the puppet's ventriloquist's projected voice.

She is all about control.
2:26 pm est 

Re: A Critical Allegation

Nitwit news flash!
Thank you for agreeing that Richter "              " and his cousin              were and are only out to serve themselves and trying to fill their own pockets at our expense. Much like the bow tie TM                         and a few others are doing!
10:50 am est 

Wednesday, March 8, 2017

Re: A Critical Allegation

"FOX is the only big news station that tells the truth to begin with and only a corrupt nitwit would quote a career thief and loser by saying we're deplorables."

As the "corrupt nitwit" who posted the comment yesterday, Thank you. I believe you have made my point. Your allegations about Mr. Richter are as credible as your beloved news source.
5:15 pm est 

Re: Let the Games Begin! - the Fox is Afoot - Tally Ho!

How would Cheryl Become Chair???

Richter did not resign. He is just not running again and will be chair until May 2. then there will be twoothers--and maybe even two new others--who will be elected. why would Cheryl be chair? Would Donegan really want her?
2:51 pm est 

Provincetown Fire

So Where exactly was the fire and which transformer caught fire?

Was it tied to the work at 350 Bradford--the old Michael Shay's or elsewhere?
12:12 pm est 

Maria Maria It's always Maria

Blame Maria for Richter's Decision to Drop Out

she was always in the wings. she is now playing a key role in who stays and who leaves. Look no further than Maria.
12:10 pm est 

An Observation

Provincetown Business Guild ex director has nothing better to do but organize another list?
12:09 pm est 

Re: Let the Games Begin! - the Fox is Afoot - Tally Ho!

A little bird told me... cheryl will become chair AT ALL COSTS.  Put on another kettle of popcorn!
12:06 pm est 

Re: A Critical Allegation

FOX is the only big news station that tells the truth to begin with and only a corrupt nitwit would quote a career thief and loser by saying we're deplorables. What has Richter done but line his pockets and help his buddies since he has been selectmen!? What good has he done for the long time residents of this town!?  He is a arrogant dishonest         who only cares about his and his comrades bottom line. It's been told to me anybody that asks the hard, obvious and non PC questions about the selectmen's agenda he, the TM and the others refuse to answer and blocks them on face book like a bunch of two year olds. Now if we can get rid of the others that only push their own agendas maybe this town can get back on track. What we need is people who tell the truth and are transparent 100 percent of the time don't we have enough corruption in our countries government already. I for one am also disgusted with our local paper that just seems too push their own agenda too and refuses to print retractions even when proven wrong.
12:04 pm est 

Tuesday, March 7, 2017

A Critical Observsation

You malcontents should be grateful that a bright young man chose to pitch in and help this ridiculous town. Talk about a basket of deplorables.
7:19 pm est 

A Critical Allegation

So you will only post negative things about Raphael but not things supporting him. You should shut this page down if you don't want to share all thoughts because you are provincetowns version of FOX allegation
6:39 pm est 

Re: Let the Games Begin!

Town manager is  playing all of  the selectman against each other. A strange and dangerous game.  And now 3 selectman all vying for chair.  Treachery, thy name is Panagore!
1:29 pm est 

In Hindsight

I hope Austin Knight comes back to the BOS, all the past nonsense aside he knew what was going on and things got done.
11:40 am est 

And the Band Plays On!

Who Cares who the town manager wants as Chair?

they are HIS boss. He does not make decision for them. They make decision for and over him.

so who cares who he wants? None of us should. It is irrelevant.
11:27 am est 

Re: Let the Games Begin!

I am Pleased that the Constant Triad vote by the BOS will soon be over. It led to much arrogance by the BOS that what they proposed, would go forward. They didn't need to listen to us. They just proposed and voted for what they wanted.
Donegan is left without that key vote--that is good news. Eric can't be chair--he is too chaotic. Tom is too arrogant. Cheryl is too what? Abstaining, I would say.

Maybe the new selectman would be a better choice as chair. Given the options, that makes the most sense.

11:24 am est 

Just Close the Door Behind You

Should the article read Richter drops out after suspecting the wrath of the state is going to come down on the latest unethical dealings of the BOS, FinCom and TM?  Or maybe Richter drops out so it doesn't look like a conflict when he gets his cushy 3 bedroom condo with a water view at HH? He knew he was having a baby a long time ago but still recently took out his papers, why the sudden revelation and the decision to not run? Nothing like kissing some TM ass for a parting gift. GOOD RIDDANCE! 1 down 3 to go.
11:55 pm est 

Let the Games Begin!

Well, Raphael was the Brightest of them all

and now they are left up in the air. There will be no three to two--that si right, isn't it, Donegan--life as a selectman will not be the same. Hurrah!

I am celebrating. I am quite happy. Can I hand you a handkerchief!
11:49 pm est 

Re:  CVS

I guess I must be thick.  Why all these ridiculous posts about Marie/Maria. ENOUGH ALREADY.  What a waste of time to have to read this drivel. It is SO obvious the same a****** is writing every post. We don't want to read this. Find something better to do with your time.
11:48 pm est 

Re: Selectmen's Election!!?? - Where is Wayne

Wow!! Didn't see that one coming. Now cousin Yingling is all alone in his quest as the younk turk!


Now is the time. Maybe once you submit your papers, that will force Bobby Anthony's hand and he'll step away too.

Go for it Wayne, I need someone to vote for as opposed to voting against someone!
11:47 pm est 

And the Band Plays On!

Tom Erik and Cheryl  all vying for chair. Get the popcorn folks! Who is TM backing?
11:45 pm est 

Re: Raphael W. Richter Not Running for BOS

What a blowhard.  Good bye and good riddance. 
11:43 pm est 

Monday, March 6, 2017

And the Band Plays On!

Is it true the Town Manager is lobbying for Cheryl' to be chair now that Raphael has dropped out? Back to the days of Lynn jaran. Sad
4:24 pm est 

Raphael W. Richter Not Running for BOS

An open letter to the Provincetown Community:

It has been a great honor to serve the people of Provincetown as a Selectmen the last 3 years. I feel we have acc...omplished a good deal as a Board during my time in service, most notably re-energizing discussion, understanding and action regarding the severe housing crisis facing the town.

Many things have changed in my life over the last 3 years, most notably the birth of our baby boy just 8 weeks ago. I am not able to enter another 3 year commitment with the good faith that I will be able to give the town the necessary time and dedication the position of Selectmen warrants. Therefore, I will not be seeking re-election at this time, but I do care deeply about my home and will continue to be involved to improve our community.

I want to thank all of my family, friends, and supporters for all of your feedback, support, and understanding during my time in service. I want to thank my colleagues on the Board and I want to extend a strong note of gratitude to our town manager David Panagore and assistant town manager David Gardner for their exceptional leadership and for the execution of the Selectmen goals in a challenging & constantly changing political environment. I hope the town the is lucky enough to have these gentlemen serve the town for many more years to come.

I have said it many times in my term of office, but I will repeat my hope that Provincetown voters not let the perfect be the enemy of the good in terms of the proposals brought forth to solve the many challenges facing the town. In this critical time for the future of the Town, we must unite to move forward consistently on our housing crisis, while still addressing infrastructure improvements, rising healthcare costs, and the strength of the local economy. The future of the community quite literally depends on it - lets keep community first!

Respectfully yours,

Raphael W. Richter, Chair
Provincetown Board of Selectmen


3:41 pm est 


We Have Her Right in our Focus

Marie, my dear, we are on to you! You cannot hide; you can't escape. but you can leave!
12:15 pm est 


Whoa, five Mary posts in a row.  actually it's 6, knowing your propensity to count and use the word actually,  I'm surprised you didn't get it right, who cares who you do or don't miss. Don't miss the silly nonsense of some of these bloggers-
12:14 pm est 

Selectmen's Election!!??

BOS, one down 2 to go.
12:11 pm est 

Sunday, March 5, 2017

Selectmen's Election!!?? - Where is Wayne

All these people announcing, where's Wayne's name? Is he running? I also don't see Bobby Anthony announcing nor do I see Richter. Maybe they're NOT running? Feeling the heat too much are they?

3:30 pm est 

Re: Boycotting Trump Merchandise

To those who posted about boycotting businesses that carry the Trump merchandise, there's an app you can download: Boycotting Trump. It works on iPhones and Android mobile devices.
10:37 am est 

Saturday, March 4, 2017


"Well, this Mary is dark and deep, her fleece is deadly dark and its color is that of ash and burnt-offerings."

Whoa, five Mary posts in a row. The Obsessed is back. And it ain't with puppets. All together now: They Call the Wind Maria, or Mary, or Marie. Dude, I thought I missed you. My mistake. Go far, very far. Away.
10:42 pm est 


Mary Had a Little Lamb, Little Lamb

Mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow.

Well, this Mary is dark and deep, her fleece is deadly dark and its color is that of ash and burnt-offerings.

Let us not be confused by the underground dirty work of this Mary. She is rather deadly, my friends. Beware. You are forewarned.
8:12 pm est 


Mary, Mary, Quite Contracy

and who does your garden grow?  these are the questions we are asking.
8:11 pm est 


Maria, is full-throated

she is the voice, perhaps not of reason, but she is Their voice. What THEY want, THEY get, with no one else than---Maria, Maria, Maria!

It is Lent. Time for repentance.
7:43 pm est 


Ah, Oh, Maria, Maria, Maria the most beautiful girl in all the world--Maria, Maria Maria. I believe we need Maria to stop doing what she is doing and be on our side. Maria, the most beautiful girl in the world!!
7:42 pm est 


The store will open soon hold on to your hats!

Donnie (not Marie)
7:41 pm est 


Marie Marie Marie Its time to go back to the Abby the bell is ringing
7:40 pm est 

David Cox & VBS

I watched the VSB meeting last evening and was embarrassed for David Cox. Who does this guy think he is. There is a procedure for artists getting jobs and commissions for their work. All artists have to invest in their work to be able to sell it. Customers, especially municipalities, do not give orders to anyone who thinks they have the best work out there. Cox needs to do what any other business person would do, present your case, show your work, and price it out competitvely. And then negotiate with the town or vsb or whoever. Threatening to leave at the beginning of Wilton Manors celebration is classless and needy and empty threats. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way to the Manors! I agree artists should be paid for their work, but the presentation and threats were classless.
7:39 pm est 


My mistake ask a stupid question get stupid posts in response. Don't care if Marie or town planner is full throated...
8:58 am est 


Marie Marie Marie Its time to go back to the Abby the bell is ringing
12:36 am est 


This is the town Planners web-site of choice to write on, she is just so darn          ! Who hired that       chick, can't make this stuff up !! Marie My Ass
12:35 am est 


"Say more Marie! there are many who do not want the CVS but you are there in full throated--in more ways than one--support."

I don't know Marie, and I don't talk to the Town planner. But of course, it's a conspiracy. You're a fool if you think only 2 people in town are for the CVS. I know at least 15, and considering we're the year round population, that's 78% in favor. Which FLA beach are you chiming in from?

And for the final kick in the pants, full throated can only be found in Panagore's Style and Editing manifesto. Perhaps you meant full throttle?

Not Marie
12:33 am est 

Friday, March 3, 2017


"Say more Marie! there are many who do not want the CVS but you are there in full throated--in more ways than one--support." 
Marie! ? how is Marie? sorry not getting reference
6:52 pm est 

Critical Observations

OMG no shortage if ridiculousness in Provincetown , David Cox, is tired of eating Caesar salad, wants to get paid for his droning and the Banner thinks this is news worthy.. WTF, the town should put it out to bid like any other service and really the PBG sucks, insular marketing at it's best
6:51 pm est 


Seems like the town Planner is writing one posting after another

Say more Marie! there are many who do not want the CVS but you are there in full throated--in more ways than one--support.  Behind the scenes, well, there you leave your trail.
4:13 pm est 

R: Breaking News

Boston Globe 

"Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Thursday he will recuse himself from matters that deal with the Trump campaign.

Hell recuse himself from any current or future investigations. He said the announcement shouldnt be interpreted as confirmation that an investigation exists.

The news conference came as Sessions faced mounting pressure to resign or recuse himself over his communications with Russian officials last year."

Jeff Sessions resign now!!!
9:27 am est 

Re: Breaking News

Jeff Sessions. This sick twist needs to resign! I only hope truth rings out over political " alternative facts".
9:25 am est 

Re: Breaking News

"BREAKING NEWS Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Thursday he will recuse himself from matters that deal with the Trump campaign. Hell recuse himself from any current or future investigations. He said the announcement shouldnt be interpreted as confirmation that an investigation exists. The news conference came as Sessions faced mounting pressure to resign or recuse himself over his communications with Russian officials last year."
FOLKS!! THIS IS SERIOUS SHITT!! This man is NOT FIT for his POSITION!! We need to RISE UP AND LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD NOW!! Please, let us all take a step back and organize a well thought out rebuttable. This man is scary.!!!!!!!!
9:24 am est 

Speaking Truth to Power

We need to address Michael Jackman,Director of Hyannis Office of Congressman Bill Keating to be sure he educates Mr. Keating as to where the Pilgrims 1st landed,so Provincetown gets it's recognition to avoid another worldwide mistake
9:21 am est 


FB: reference to not having a quorum.. Bob O'Malley Even stranger is that I just watched the meeting on TV and they had 5 members there
9:18 am est 


Stop all the BS with CVS killing the competition and the quaintness of the town. The center of town, both Bradford and Commercial street are anything BUT quaint. The competition claim is absolutely baseless. How many markets are in the town and there is even a SUPER Stop & Shop. Even Cumbys used to have TWO stores in Ptown. Adams is a fine little store but they don't always have all the prescriptions people need considering the diverse groups of people that visit here. How many restaurants in town and they all compete. Enough with the protectionism. And the quaintness? Please. The Crown and Anchor every night of the summer has the lights swirling and flashing into the night sky with the music blaring and the terrible awful street "musicians" that crowd the streets and the white barriers around Tedesci's and the ultra modern looking PAAM façade and run down Community Center and the currently horrible looking building the new CVS will take over and revamp. Please. Quaint it aint. You want a CVS to look alike to your interpretation of what quaint is? Figure out a way to make the building look like it fits in with all the other "quaint" buildings in the are because CVS is coming, you aint stopping them.
9:17 am est 


CVS - Pleeeeeeze come!

Yes indeed, like Kiehl's is not a chain, or Stop & Shop, or Cumberland farms or Tedeschi's.  The current building is an eyesore, and frankly I am tired to driving to Orleans to take advantage of the CVS, there weekly specials and the service without attitude!

Bring it on, time to get real, the character of this town has been so compromised already, it's really a moot point!

You can get your botox on the other corner and then buy your marshmallow Peeps on the other!

9:13 am est 

Thursday, March 2, 2017


"If you re for CVS, then you are not for our historic resort town. You lack sensitivity and you lack a strategic understanding of what this battle is really about.a few more college courses would have helped!"

How condescending to suggest only the under-educated would support a CVS. I'm a senior and would greatly appreciate a pharmacy within walking distance, open convenient hours with a larger variety of genetic drugs. And yes, competition certainly makes a difference in pricing.

All of the sudden, a small well-tailored "chain" store is the enemy. Not the over-sized houses on small lots, or the bars that cater to drunken fools, or the 100s of condominiums that stand empty where single family homes used to be lit up all year. No complaints about the questionable esthetics of that. Take a look around. There are other people besides the tea party crowd. We're the ones drinking the real tea, and we've been around a lot longer then most of you.
5:44 pm est 


The protectionism in this town is ridiculous and it's at the expense (literally!) of townspeople. So I wouldn't have to ride home in the dark one night last year, I stopped off at one of the small convenience stores on Commercial to buy a pack of triple A batteries for my bike light. Cost? Just a few pennies shy of $13.00. THIRTEEN DOLLARS!! Bring on the competition, baby! And competition from a retailer that WILL BE OPEN 12 MONTHS A YEAR.
5:10 pm est 

Re: Critical Comment Louise Venden

Geez Louise,

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

She has an agenda and like so many before her, know's best for the town and the people.

The rest of us are incapable of making decisions, thanks for showing us the way!

Good luck, it will at least be fun to watch she and Cheryl face off!
3:16 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

Provincetown does not need a third pharmacy. CVS would only cause the demise of one of the existing drug stores i.e Stop & Shop or Outer Cape Health.
Additionally, CVS in some locals sells liquor and also provides medical services. Given the size of the population during  the majority of the year the demographics can support only one medical  provider and  two pharmacies and as for the liquor stores we would be dividing the baby. It's a zero sum game!
Be very careful what you wish for. 
1:00 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

If You're Into Water, then take a sip from the town fountain

CVS will do nothing to reduce prices. They will gouge us as a resort town. they will also be the avenue for all other chains to come here and do business.

And then what, my little ones? What will the town look like? Who will care to come to a homogenized, standardized town that looks and is like all others? Few will be taken by a town that looks and feels like a street mall.

Fools may be taken in, but the wise ones will understand the danger that a CVS poses to Provincetown.
12:51 pm est 

Re: Critical Comment Louise Venden

Think before you post; you might appear smarter than you are.
Agreed. Funny how many don't do this on FB and let everyone see how ignorant they are.

I think Louise would be good on BOS and I applaud her for speaking out against HH and the underhanded bully tactics of the BOS. At the  very least she will be entertaining. Though probably much of the same representation of special interest, business, and rich people, ( she hates the term) and thinks it needs to stop. Im sure the poor will get right on that.
12:49 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

Same is happening across the street at Tedeschi's. the jersey barriers are a much needed improvement.
12:48 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

CVS will be a great addition to town. Stop & Shop needs some competition, and only a big chain can make the numbers work. The  improvements they are making to the property will do a lot to make that intersection look a lot better with plantings, street trees, and a sidewalk. Same is happening across the street at Tedeschi's. Hooray for big businesses with deep pockets!
10:31 am est 

Critical Comment Louise Venden


In the past three months, Venden has stormed out of two meetings at town hall when she has been criticized. Literally just gotten up and left the room. How can we have someone on the BoS who can't even stay in the room when the issues get tough?
10:28 am est 

Re: Inclusionary Zoning?

"Inclusionary Zoning?"
It doesn't matter what it is, all the meetings, forums,  multiply drafts of 500 pages of cross outs and suggestions. It's too f...... late. Period! Radical acceptance move on!
9:16 am est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

"If you re for CVS, then you are not for our historic resort town."

What's wrong with a CVS - other Historic Cape towns have them. 

Historic ?  Have you seen the main downtown block on Commercial street lately ?  Those buildings are a disgrace - dilapidated and left to neglect while the owners collect 100k or more in rent - what are they doing for our Histroic town ??

CVS will bring convenience to residents - competition to "the only games in town" and employment.
9:14 am est 

Re: Louise Venden - BOS Candidate?

"Louise Venden 617........"

A Boston area code. Someone else that hasn't been here long enough to get a local number that wants to run the town...

9:12 am est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

Its too bad the town approved a CVS.  It will hurt some of the long standing local businesses.  RIP Provincetown as we know it.  Here comes the chain stores.
9:10 am est 

Re: Critical Comment - Erik Yingling re HarborHill

What a completely unattractive profile pic of sure to buy a better mirror for your hh apartment.
12:18 am est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

If You Are for the CVS---who are you?

You speak not about our town and about the pharmacies we now have and will be damaged. You speak to whom?

If you are a developer, then you want chains and chains here--in the Aquarium--a Dunkin Donuts and then many more.

If you re for CVS, then you are not for our historic resort town. You lack sensitivity and you lack a strategic understanding of what this battle is really about.

a few more college courses would have helped!
11:07 pm est 

Wednesday, March 1, 2017

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

"CVS:It is not a good idea at all. Except if you are a developer."

Or if you are someone on a budget. By the way, which little sundry store do you own that sells a 12 oz bottle water for $3.50?
4:48 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

Be At Zoning Thursday March 2nd at 7 p.m.

It is the right time to be there and speak up about the CVS. I certainly will be there. Hope to see many of your there! Our town depends on you!
4:47 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

I wish everybody would quit acting like its a huge unforgiving offense that money CVS makes will be "Taken back to HQ and not staying in the local economy"... Let's be real, 80/90% of the business owners in Provincetown aren't local...thus taking the money they make out of the local economy as well. Hard to single out one new non-local business when theres already 100 of them in town doing the exact same thing...And more importantly those other businesses are closing up shop every season, whereas CVS will at the least offer year round jobs (Even if it's just a few, it's better than 0)
11:58 am est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

Against the Proposed CVS

It will damage our other town pharmacies and it will damage small stores that sell water, beach things, and small purchases. It brings a homogenized sense to our town and it is not needed. It is a terrible concept and it will hurt this town. Tourists do not come here to see what they see in all other towns. Next a MacDonalds. then a Wendy's. followed by Taco Bell. Soon we become like all others: standardized, uninteresting, mall-like businesses.

It is not a good idea at all. Except if you are a developer.
10:25 am est 

Re: Cape Cod Times - Harbor Hill- February 27, 2017
Monday was supposed to be the day the Provincetown Year-Round Rental Housing Trust bid against private developers in U.S. Bankruptcy Court to buy a coveted former time-share complex.

PROVINCETOWN — Monday was supposed to be the day the Provincetown Year-Round Rental Housing Trust bid against private developers in U.S. Bankruptcy Court to buy a coveted former time-share complex with the idea of providing housing for middle-income renters.

But the gavel remains poised. Judge Joan Feeney found instead that there were "numerous procedural flaws in the sale process" for Harbor Hill at Provincetown and delayed the auction, according to court documents.

These changes "made it impossible for the Court to determine the equivalency of the offers submitted to date

Other bidders will then be allowed to submit counteroffers and a new hearing date will be set by the court. If there are counteroffers, the court would most likely hold another auction at that hearing, Agin wrote in an email.

The other bidders are Shirley real estate developers Lexvest Group LLC, which bid $7.5 million and a group of real estate agents made up of Thomas Kennedy, Ronald Rudnick and John Ciluzzi, who bid $2 million.

On Monday, Feeney imposed a gag order on all bidders preventing them from discussing what happened in court Monday, said Selectman Tom Donegan, a member of the housing trust.

Agin had initially disqualified a fourth bidder - Lemonjuice Capital - from entering the live auction but then recommended that it be allowed to participate, court documents stated. Lemonjuice offered only $750,000 and an alternative proposal that would re-establish the time-share entity and continue the operation of Harbor Hill for the "internal owners" who have bought into weeklong stays there.

Harbor Hill entered into voluntary Chapter 7 bankruptcy in August, after the time-share board of trustees determined Donna Zoppi, the long-time manager of the property, had embezzled funds, sold internals without giving the money to Harbor Hill, and failed to pay thousands of dollars in maintenance costs and taxes, according to court documents. Zoppi is being investigated by state Attorney General Maura Healey's office, according to the documents.

More than 1,000 Harbor Hill internal owners from all over the country, as well as Canada and Europe, had to be contacted as part of the bankruptcy proceedings, documents state.

The town's race to buy Harbor Hill began in November, when the state legislature approved the creation of the Provincetown Year-Round Rental Housing Trust, which allowed the town to create a board to buy and manage property that could be rented to people earning 80 to 200 percent of the annual median income, a range of $47,550 to $107,994 for a single-person household.

Officials determined Harbor Hill would be a rare opportunity to jump-start the town's rental housing stock. But they had to work fast. They met several times a week to develop a bidding strategy and a campaign to get the $10.7 million debt exclusion for the purchase passed at a special town meeting and a ballot election earlier this month. It passed overwhelmingly both times.

Follow K.C. Myers on Twitter: @kcmyerscct

10:23 am est 

Re: Inclusionary Zoning?

WTF is  inclusionary zoning? Sounds like another idiotic idea from our Town Planner that loves to hear herself talk at almost every board meeting in town. Fire her she is screwing up everything and has still not produced a comprehensive plan for the BOS. Inclusionary zoning my ass, thank you 26 units at Harbor Hill the next getto in town.
9:02 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

Well affordable food options is a great start

Some places charge $29 for a steak that costs $5 and a pile of fries that's likely one potatoes worth

And that's more than provable
9:01 am est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

I am 100% for the CVS coming to Ptown. The historical nature of our town will not be affected by having an old run down building be renovated and made to look new by utilizing the exact specifications that it already is. Have any of you seen the plans for renovations that already PASSED the Historic District Commission vote? The building looks beautiful, the only thing added that isn't already there is the letters "CVS". There's copious amounts of obnoxious, gaudy, or run down signs already in town so i can't see how a CVS sign is worse. This renovation ADDS to the Standish St. neighborhood, it adds a sense of safety on what otherwise looks similar to a narrow back alley with its cracked windows, torn up pavement, and dim lighting. CVS being there does not detract from the overall historical impression or feeling a visitor gets whilst visiting Provincetown...Although I can assure you that folks walking over crushed 50 year old glass panes that are falling out of the windows of the ugliest building in town certainly does.
9:00 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill Auction Up Date

What a extremely convenient judge's instruction for them. Panagore and the rest of the corrupt town government       think we're all morons  if they expect us to believe that line of BS. It's time we clean house at the town hall and that includes town council. Have Chris Snow check up on that line of crap, ten to one it's a huge F-ing lie!
8:57 am est 

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