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  Mark Silva: A Rich Goodby

The church was packed. There was even a long line to enter St. Peter's. There were people sitting along the side pews. All the pews were filled.

We were there to attest to your legacy, to what you gave to this town and to all of us. You brought the energy for the Portuguese Festival and revived it. You brought the energy for the Regatta and revived this wonderful celebration. You gave of yourself, of your time and of your vision.

The town was there to bid you farewell and to thank you for everything that you have done for us. And you did it with humor, joy and a sense of much celebration. You knew how to throw a party and taught the town to do it too!

You were unique and you will be missed. But you would not leave without our thanks and without a party at the Red Inn. We were there with tears and we were there with much laughter and gratefulness for you.

Adieu, Mark! May the angels carry you on holy wings into eternal peace and celebration!

 

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Tuesday, February 28, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill Auction Up Date

In other words don't ask us any questions because we won't tell you! Let us see the judges instructions in writing either that or a transcript of the court proceedings.  That is a very strange thing for a judge to instruct. I would love to see where he said not to tell the people that are actually paying for the property anything. It sounds to me like a huge coverup and a half ass excuse for not being accountable to the voters. I for one don't believe a word Panagore has to say because he is a proven liar! Fire him immediately if not sooner!
2:54 pm est 

Monday, February 27, 2017

10:58 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

"we can affirm our visual character"

Please
That giant hole at the beginning of the East End and the blue chair affirm the visual character a plenty. Kiss the character goodbye. It's been away a while now anyway.  Since condos came to town actually. Silly blogger.
9:35 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

"That restaurant has done more for this town in the short time it has been open than any other restaurant or business during the same time period. And now it's open year round with 5 dollar sandwiches and 8 dollar plates. You are just attacking that restaurant now because the owner is on the housing trust and you need a new target to attack. That kid is smarter, more level headed, a harder worker, nicer, and savvier than all of you combined."

I think you're getting a little carried away here. Offering affordable food options isn't anything new and it isn't exactly charity. Some people just consider that decent and do it all year long. It seems to me that most of their supposed good deeds also coincidentally make them a good amount of money. All that food at the holiday market wasn't given away for free, was it? And there are other restaurants in town that raise money and provide Christmas gifts for local needy families every year. Again, not something new or unique.
9:33 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill, BOS and Housing Trust - "Cluster......"

"The Board of Selectmen should be ashamed of themselves in the vetting process they employed for appointments to the Housing Trust."

This is a laughable post, hahaha. I would like to have everyone with something not negative in their history, especially in our beloved Provincetown, to please step forward and appy for a committee or board. There ain't no one fitting that description in this town!
9:30 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Auction

Waiting for Auction News!
9:29 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment

"Street sweeper in mid winter. Wtf"

Makes complete sense if you ask me.
all kinds of dirt, debris and garbage on the streets after the snow melts not to mention lots of salt dust.
If the town has the equipment why not use it?
Seems better than letting it all wash into the storm drains doesn't it?

9:26 pm est 

Re: Critical Accusation

Where is my Rick Murray being              comment?
12:26 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant
 
"That kid is smarter, more level headed, a harder worker, nicer, and savvier than all of you combined. Good luck."  
 
Definitely smarter the Yingling and Donegan. What exactly  has the restaurant done for the town? offer 5$ sandwiches...again ridicules argument to a zoning question.
12:21 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment

Street sweeper in mid winter. Wtf
 
12:19 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment

The community deserves more; they've been taken for a ride.
9:24 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

"You are just attacking that restaurant now because the owner is on the housing trust and you need a new target to attack."

Yet so defensive, seeing everything and everyone as an attack.

9:23 am est 

Sunday, February 26, 2017

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

The Canteen doesn't need to be defended. That restaurant has done more for this town in the short time it has been open than any other restaurant or business during the same time period. And now it's open year round with 5 dollar sandwiches and 8 dollar plates. You are just attacking that restaurant now because the owner is on the housing trust and you need a new target to attack. That kid is smarter, more level headed, a harder worker, nicer, and savvier than all of you combined. Good luck.
10:52 pm est 

Re: Critical Comment (Correction Made)

"I think people are just sick of seeing long-time local businesses struggle to stay afloat when folks with money can just show up in town, buy a bunch of buildings and do whatever they want because they have money and friends in high places. People are really tired of watching the gentrification of Provincetown."
 

A note to the owner of this blog: I made the above comment but it was not in reference to the proposed CVS as you stated, I was referring to the discussion about the Canteen. I should've been more clear. I can see how you made such a mistake though. Same issue.
10:43 pm est 

Re: Critical Comment

"Why do you always sensor anything to do with crown Ana anchor?" 

Yet another devotee of the Panagore Guide to Writing and Editing.
9:44 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

You can cheerlead all you want, but the town does not have a legal basis to prevent CVS from operating in town.  None.
9:42 pm est 

Re: YRRHT Members

One member was arrested and charged July 9, 2016 for Domestic Assault and Battery.  Ugh...Guess he'll be the one they send if you're late with the rent.
9:41 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

Yes, We Can! Yes, We Can!

Yes, we can defeat the proposed CVS. We can affirm our resort town character and we can affirm our visual character that a CVS would negatively affect. We can affirm how unique Provincetown is and how it needs to remain unique and a special resort town.

Yes, we can! Yes, we Can!

Be there Thursday at town hall. Be there at the Zoning Board at 7p.m. and speak out.

Yes, we can!
12:55 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill, BOS and Housing Trust - "Cluster......"

The Board of Selectmen should be ashamed of themselves in the vetting process they employed for appointments to the Housing Trust.

One trustee owns a property which has multiple zoning violations which our blubber bust town manager frequents for dining, and is so inept, that he doesn't even recognize the multiple zoning violations. He just wants to be seen on the street dining with his bow tie.

One member is an owner of a major property which is in multiple tax year arrears with the town.

One member has had many provocations in town in many venues.

Thank you, Board of Selectmen, for your diligent vetting process.

It only provides further lack of confidence to the public  in your diligence on Harbor Hill.

11:21 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill

Donegan, Richter and Yingling should be prepared to face their stupidity at Bankruptcy Court on Monday in an auctioneered bidding process.

The highest bidder simply needs to bid more than the Board of Selectmen has authorized our swindling legal counsel to bid.

The newest bidder will win because the town's hands are tied.

Dah. Didn't one of our sharpest figure this out from the get go?

The highest bidder is a national company, they are smart, they know that the only feasible future use is time share (Board of Selectmen are withholding legal counsel opinion to this effect) which will not result in a change of use, effectively severely restricting condo development in a Residential 1 Zone.

It's a no brainer, time share is the highest and best use for the property, given the zoning limitations.

Break-even point is easily achieved, not to mention recurring management and rental fees which can be 35% or more of rental income.

This is the hottest property in prime location (west end) to come on the market in a very very hot market in Provincetown.

The most unfortunate aspect of this tragedy is the political opportunism the Board of Selectmen and Cyr and Peake inflicted on the community for their self serving purposes.

Market forces will always prevail in a favorable real estate market, that's the reason our Selectmen do not instill confidence because they lack basic knowledge and expertise, aided and abetted by our two legislators.

The community deserves more; they've been taken for a ride.





11:18 am est 

Critical Comment

Why do you always sensor anything to do with crown Ana anchor ? You must be in Mr Murrays back pocket You don't think he'd like to know his                                                                                                    .
11:14 am est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

"As I'm reading the negatives about a CVS in Provincetown - 1stly,I'd rather have something practical & sensible than another "body shop Nite Club"! 2ndly,Competition is always believed To be good but apparently only for certain ones! We allowed some chains in before which set a precedent & now we hear thy are grandfathered!  Selective!? my experience is that Outer Cape Health Phrmacy closes weekends for winter & sometimes doesn't have specific meds! I had to wait 4 days over a long holiday weekend unless I wanted to pay overnight shipping! Sometimes Stop & Shop is out of some scripts also! OCH & S&S didn't consider Vin Duarte at Adams Pharmacy when they opened & said competition is good,it keeps prices competitive! Adams had been in business since the 1800's!!! Fairness is whimsical here now The area in question is business zoned & better a CVS,unless a smaller Walmart where everything is sold rather than travel to Orleans & Hyannis in summer insanity traffic!!!"

Alex, I'll take proper use of punctuation for 500!!!!
11:07 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

Woo hoo!  The last troll meal came with dessert, compliments of the Canteen defender. I haven't walked by the Canteen in almost a year, always hated the fake grass but if its legal, then not my business. There are tackier things on Commercial st.

I have a right to question equity of legal enforcement, state my opinion, preference, and make any other statement without being labeled anti- Canteen and a hater. My post aren't personal or could they possible be construed as such.  I do agree that post like that are not productive.

I post here because, Provincetown, doesn't have the best reputation for a level playing field. Retaliation was classified as a skill set with past town administrators. Right David?
11:04 am est 

Planning Board et Canteen Restaurant

This town is packed. I watched the Planning Board discuss how plans presented to them need to include tree  location. WTF is wrong with these people. All these crazy rules they pull out of their ass but the Canteen can have a bushell of hay and a block of sea shells on the sidewalk.
11:02 am est 

Holiday Market

To the folks criticizing the Holiday Market - did you go ? Did you see the children skating, hear the music playing, enjoy the wonderful food , and do any Christmas  shopping there?  I was one of the vendors. I offered to give the owners some money, because I did very well. They refused . Please come next year and see if you feel the same way. I've been here 27 years. I've never loved Ptown as much as I did  while participating in  the market. It restored my faith  in This community
10:48 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant (Corrected)

I think people are just sick of seeing long-time local businesses struggle to stay afloat when folks with money can just show up in town, buy a bunch of buildings and do whatever they want because they have money and friends in high places. People are really tired of watching the gentrification of Provincetown.

10:45 am est 

Saturday, February 25, 2017

Re: A Critical Comment - Blue Chair et Canteen

The blue chair trolls are too formidable, I will not challenge them. The blue chair is not a human  it's not as important to defend.
4:48 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

You've done your fair share of trolling, for sure. what about blue chair trolls, last meal for them as well? no more red herring?
4:17 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

I myself am taking a look in the mirror and realizing that by defending the Canteen, im just feeding the anti Canteen trolls , who are complaining about minor issues that affect no one and nothing. This will be your last meal , trolls . Bon appetit
 
3:41 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

 "Again - bringing Trump into it changes nothing, you guys are hating on Canteen and the blue chair and it's pathetic . Are you jealous?"  
 
 
Again,  jealous of what? Bad taste?
11:33 am est 

Town Planner et David Garten?

Is David Garten the new consultant for the town planner? 
11:32 am est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

As I'm reading the negatives about a CVS in Provincetown - 1stly,I'd rather have something practical & sensible than another "body shop Nite Club"! 2ndly,Competition is always believed To be good but apparently only for certain ones! We allowed some chains in before which set a precedent & now we hear thy are grandfathered!  Selective!? my experience is that Outer Cape Health Phrmacy closes weekends for winter & sometimes doesn't have specific meds! I had to wait 4 days over a long holiday weekend unless I wanted to pay overnight shipping! Sometimes Stop & Shop is out of some scripts also! OCH & S&S didn't consider Vin Duarte at Adams Pharmacy when they opened & said competition is good,it keeps prices competitive! Adams had been in business since the 1800's!!! Fairness is whimsical here now The area in question is business zoned & better a CVS,unless a smaller Walmart where everything is sold rather than travel to Orleans & Hyannis in summer insanity traffic!!!
11:29 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

The sidewalk in front of the Canteen is part of their property - it is not a town sidewalk, just like the one in front of the bank next door. They can put whatever they want out there! If there's so much concern, why aren't people whining about all the junk in front of Marine Specialties?
9:47 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant - Take Action!

I heard from someone in the parking department that when panagore returned the car this time it had Canteen to go containers in the back seat.
9:46 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Blue Chair et Canteen

I agree!  Move that f n hideous blue chair away from town hall and park it in front of The Canteen. That way the devoted bow tie man aka town manager can have a throne to eat his daily meals and watch over the village idiots walking by. Problem Solved!!  The fortune we spent restoring historic town hall preserved with that blight removed and a chair large enough for VIP's has an appropriate home at Canteen.
9:44 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant
 
"Sounds an awful lot like our current sad excuse for a president." "Anybody who prints anything bad about me is fake news!"
 
 
Again - bringing Trump into it changes nothing, you guys are hating on Canteen and the blue chair and it's pathetic . Are you jealous? Who cares . Smoke some weed , you'll see it different. Lay off the alcohol, it makes you negative
 
9:41 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

There are multiple Zoning and Historic Violations on the property, ask the Building Commissioner, they built a fixed structure, benches and seats attached to the existing deck of the old RED STORE that is now the coffee shop, no Special Permit, no Variance due to the fact they are encroaching on the front set back, they have more seats on boards, wires, squares picnic tables in the back etc. Do they conform to correct # of seats for a full service restaurant? Who knows they have table service etc. No permits etc. Nothing was done all summer, it was built in May of last year in broad daylight. Some things never change.
12:51 am est 

Friday, February 24, 2017

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

"It's trolls and haters commenting negatively on them"

Sounds an awful lot like our current sad excuse for a president. "Anybody who prints anything bad about me is fake news!"

11:10 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

"It's trolls and haters commenting negatively on them , take a deep look in the mirror."


Granted some posts could be less abrasive but it never fails when someone has a point or a few, they are trolls and complainers and even 'haters' telling us to take a good look in the mirror.

A weak argument and guess what?  There are no shortage of mean people anywhere,  Provincetown ain't exempt. Do you have to take a deep breath before you look in the mirror?
11:07 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant - Take Action!

Please take pictures of patrons of the Canteen restaurant sitting on benches that are on the  sidewalk, which is town property.
 
Additionally, please take photos of  the Town Manager sitting in the restaurant eating, while fully cognizant of their violation of zoning bylaws.
 
Also, please  take note of the complete confiscation on the sidewalk, where they have put down fake grass carpeting, which is a complete  usurpation of public property. Publish these photos on Shout Out and Facebook.
 
We will include these photos in documentation which will be presented to  the  state in an action against the Town Manger, Building Commissioner, Board of Selectmen and Canteen Restaurant. It's  time  this brazen affront was ended.
6:22 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

Yep just as I thought. I wouldn't have even Noticed anything was in front of Canteen, had I not seen a friend sitting on one of the benches outside. It's trolls and haters commenting negatively on them  , take a deep look in the mirror.
6:04 pm est 

Re: Great Rumors Abound

Hi, Crowne Pointe is definitely not taking over the Crown and Anchor, Thanks
 
6:03 pm est 

Re: Wayne Martin

Was at court today and witnessed Mr. Martin's hearing. The two people that falsely claimed that he was harassing them were literally told by the judge "stop wasting my time" and both their temporary orders were thrown out! What was also brought out is that the Truro police were somehow involved in the manufactured complaints against Mr. Martin. Another observation I made is that both people that tried to take out the complaints were seriously disturbed ( just big ole messes ).
6:02 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Canteen Restaurant

Glad to see I am not the only one over the Canteen. Nothing is done for free there, including the Holiday Market. Get all that crap off the sidewalk and obey bylaws like the rest of us.
5:59 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

Maybe before we, as a town, spend thousands upon thousands in legal fees, someone can google town of wellfleet vs cumberland farms and read the decision there.

Put simply, the Formula Business bylaw regulates ownership, not use. It singles out certain businesses for more onerous regulation, based on nothing more than the name on their door, without an evidentiary basis to do so. And even with the best intentions, the subjective and vague standards by which the Planning Board is empowered to act will result in arbitrary and capricious decisions. The bylaw is thus invalid, both on its face and as applied.
4:16 pm est 

Re: Great Rumors Abound

There are ongoing negotiations between the pier owners and the representative of the Old Reliable.
2:47 pm est 

Re: Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

I'm all for the new CVS! It's a great location for tourists and people who live near the center of town. It's especially convenient for where I live. And really, isn't that what this town is all about? Me! Me! Me!
1:14 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Blue Chair et Canteen

I live in town, I'm gonna walk by Canteen today and see how horrible it is- and  on my way I sure hope I don't see any happy tourists or children enjoying themselves on that hideous blue chair!
12:01 pm est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Blue Chair et Canteen

What we need is Fair and Equal Treatment for all businesses

But that is not what is happening. It is special treatment for pet businesses and friends of town officials--and harsh treatment for all others.

This is no way to run a town--and now way for us to manage this wonderful town.
10:29 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Blue Chair et Canteen

As for the Canteen there are Zoning by-laws that would prohibit what they are doing outside. and they just add seats after seats that are illegal. You need permission for new seats and available gallons are part of the decision. but they just do what they do--with the bow-tie man sitting there day after day. but of course.....
 
10:28 am est 

Re: Great Rumors Abound

Right on Certain Rumors

Certain businesses are in play. New owners will be coming forward soon.
10:27 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Blue Chair et Canteen

"How much they've done for the town is a matter of opinion."  

I agree, they are running a business not a non-profit.
10:23 am est 

Re: Great Rumors Abound

Another rumor going around town is the Crowne Pointe Boys are taking back the Crown and Anchor hoping to get some new entertainment.
8:56 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Blue Chair et Canteen

"Now you guys pick on one of the only restaurants to stay open all year, that recently had an awesome holiday market, which made money for many local artists and did so much for the town - congrats you've outdone  yourselves. What a bunch of trolls!"

How much they've done for the town is a matter of opinion. Looks to me like they've done a lot to line their own pockets. But at any rate, pointing out that a place is an eyesore is not exactly "picking on" someone. Maybe they should hire a professional decorator or someone with taste to clean the place up a bit. There is an awful lot of...stuff out there.
8:20 am est 

Re: Great Rumors Abound

Maybe not Bubalas but what about the Old Reliable down next to Marine Specialties. Heard that owner is up on hard times and has pier rights.

Hmmmm...
8:18 am est 

Re: Great Rumors Abound

Bubala's has not sold and there has never been a conversation with the pier owners. Period!
12:11 am est 

Thursday, February 23, 2017

Great Rumors Abound

Bubala's  sold to Cabrals wharf new owner . Property has wharf rights. This is what the town needs. The former wharf extended past Coast Guard Wharf. Can it be rebuilt???
3:41 pm est 

Proposed CVS Can Be Defeated!

We have a strong formula business by-law and it is there since 2010 to help Provincetown defeat national chains. It grandfathered the chains already here but it made a new national chain hard to be here. it made historic character of Provincetown and the visual landscape important in defeating the proposed chain.

Provincetown's by-law is strong and we can use it effectively. Be at the March 2nd Zoning board meeting and speak up.

It is now or never!
2:45 pm est 

Re: Who's is the New Conservation Agent?

"but not the right fitt."
 
You spell like panagore
 
9:21 am est 

Re: CVS Issue Still Alive!

The formula business bylaw would be overturned if challenged and Town officials are aware of it. The courts have already stated that zoning regulations based on ownership is illegal. We can't reject CVS just because they are CVS and are a national chain
 
9:19 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Blue Chair

Put the blue chair in a playground. Kids love it. Adults with taste hate it.
9:18 am est 

Re: A Critical Comment - Blue Chair et Canteen

Now you guys pick on one of the only restaurants to stay open all year, that recently had an awesome holiday market, which made money for many local artists and did so much for the town - congrats you've outdone  yourselves. What a bunch of trolls!
9:16 am est 

Re: CVS

Not to worry. If they go in front of the HDC, they can hold them up for years on just the size of their windows.
9:15 am est 

Wednesday, February 22, 2017

A Critical Comment - Blue Chair et Canteen

"I hate that blue chair. Put it in front of the Canteen with the rest of their crap."

Nice to hear someone just come out and say it. That place is really becoming an eyesore. And the blue chair is ugly too.
11:10 pm est 

Re: CVS Issue Still Alive!
 
"You can not prevent this from happening. Move on." 
   
Maybe you Should Know the Formula business By Law

CVS can be defeated. It is going to be voted on by the zoning Board and the issues are specific: historic site and town character. You can speak to both of these., We can say no to a national chain because we have a 201 formula Business By-Law--one that helps us fight national chains. and a CVS is one of 9,600 stores.

We need to be there. We can to say NO to the proposed CVS.
11:06 pm est 

 Re: Who's is the New Conservation Agent?
 
"And honestly from what I've heard both were unable to do their jobs"
 
Conservation Chair stated publicly, 'Deb did a good job', who are you listening too?
9:48 pm est 

Re: Inspector General Investigation?

"So far they are keeping it under wraps."

amongst other investigations. The rug needs a good shake!
9:47 pm est 

A Critical Comment

Great Job, Christopher, with lights on town hall and on getting the town manager to work with you, nice not to be stonewalled for your opinion. Again great job! Really too bad that chair screams tacky, Its like seeing that on the lawn of the MFA, completely out of sync kind of like the PBG and the marketing of Provincetown.
9:45 pm est 

Re: CVS Issue Still Alive!

CVS will be on private property people. It is a commercially zoned business district. You can not prevent this from happening. Move on.
9:43 pm est 

Re: CVS Issue Still Alive!

I will Be there at The March 2 Zoning Board Meeting

I am upset at a CVs being here. Provincetown does not need a CVs and it will hurt so many other businesses. I also don't want Walgreen's and I don't want TJMax. Not here. Not on Bradford. Not on Commercial Street. This is not the type of resort town we are.

No, No, No.
11:33 am est 

CVS Issue Still Alive!

Is the CVs issue still alive? thought it was a done deal. NO? Can people speak out still? Is this what you are posting. Say more, please.
11:31 am est 

BOS Violation

The Board of Selectmen are in violation of town meeting.  They were not authorized to rent out the building, they were only authorized to sell the building.


"April 4, 2011 Article 5.
Sale of the Community Center Building.  To see if the Town will transfer the care, custody, control, and management of the following described parcel of land from the board or officer that currently has custody of the land to the Board of Selectmen to be held for the purpose of sale; and further to authorize the Board of Selectmen to sell said parcel, pursuant to the procedures set forth in General Laws Chapter 30B, on such terms and conditions as the Board of Selectmen shall determine to be in the best interests of the Town; the land being all or a portion of  Assessors Map No.7-2, Parcel No. 62, located at 46 Bradford St., and commonly known as the Community Center Building; or to take any other action relative thereto. [Requested by the Board of Selectmen and the Town Manager]"

11:29 am est 

A Critical Comment

I hate that blue chair. Put it in front of the Canteen with the rest of their crap.
11:27 am est 

Re: Who's is the New Conservation Agent?

Treasurer and conservation agent were both let go.  And honestly from what I've heard both were unable to do their jobs.  Both were nice, good people, but not the right fitt.
11:25 am est 

Re: Town Nurse?

"Whatever did happen to the money voted on to be used to help those with mental issues?"

Maybe that is the town nurse? It was to be a person who would be out on the street and do community health work and for those who were homeless to help with their mental health issues.

Has someone been hired? and if so, what is he or she doing? seems rather silent.
11:23 am est 

Inspector General Investigation?

I suggest someone do a public records request regarding procurement for Harbor Hill.  I hear the town has been notified it is being investigated by the Inspector General office for procurement violations.  So far they are keeping it under wraps.
11:22 am est 

An Observsation

Just saw a blurb on necn news about an escapee cow from Queens. Maybe there should be a law that any factory farm animal that escapes it's slaughterhouse should be pardoned automatically. What do you think?

Not on the level of HH, but bothersome nonetheless.
11:20 am est 

Tuesday, February 21, 2017

Re: Who's is the New Conservation Agent?

Guess Why Deb Ahlbenberg is No Longer Here?

She was pushed out and you can guess who did the heavy pushing, can't you? Deb was qualified but she was a threat to someone who had to get her out--and she succeeded in doing so. Again, we are disadvantage by this nasty action.
12:39 pm est 

Who's is the New Conservation Agent?

I hear Deb Albenberg is gone and I was wondering who will be the new agent? I liked working with Deb, intelligent and fair. Good luck to her on her new venture (if she's reading this)
Who will replace her? Last time there was a gap in the coverage, the asst. town mgr, was the stand in agent. That was a disaster. No clue what he was looking at, no clue on how to proceed correctly, always fell back on "by the book", zero insight. I'd ask someone in the building dept. but when I ask about such things I get the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" look from all of them.
12:23 pm est 

Re: Town Planner

Town Planner? Call Her for what she is: Town Developer

Friend of developers and an advocate for major developers here in Provincetown. she did that for work years back and she is doing now. How do developers here get what they want? McPherson is the go-to-person for special attention and special deals.

Town Planner? Oh, no, not at all and never was. She is not even qualified, academically, for this position. Learning languages is far from what a Town Planner needs, except for the language of developers which she speaks fluently.
11:45 am est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

".....current great BOS" 

OMG, LMAO
11:42 am est 

Town Nurse?

We have a town nurse? When did that happen. What are her duties,really?
8:57 am est 

Town Vehicles

Previous post says town manager allows police to use town vehicle for their family too, what family members,explain please.
8:56 am est 

Town Manager

Looks like we might have made another mistake. He along with our previous manager make Bergman look great. We should bring him back.Maybe it's time to put the pressure on.
8:55 am est 

BOS Incompetence

Unless someone besides Richter, Anthony & Martin take out papers we will continue to see the ongoing incompetence from the BOS.
8:52 am est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

 

"I'm glad there is an Election for Selectmen in May"
 

The simple fact you minority of whiners miss is that a huge majority of Provincetown voters voted for this current great BOS AND for the Harbor Hill Housing bid. Get in synch with your friends and neighbors, they are headed in a good direction for the future of this community.

 

8:49 am est 

Monday, February 20, 2017

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

I'm glad there is an Election for Selectmen in May

It is time for a change. Time for the selectmen to listen to us--and not to listen to themselves and then organize to carry out THEIR ideas and projects.

Looking for a change, with hope and optimism.
1:18 pm est 

Sunday, February 19, 2017

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

 

"As far as I am concerned bring in the next batch because this one can go f... themselves."

Problem is that they are oblivious to the many good people they are hurting and 4 out of 5 of them display.. "a psychological need for power, and a sense of grandiosity." ( For the googler of malignant narcissism)

9:53 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

Just so you know, the rest of us find you infinitely BORING broken records.

Almost has boring as this comment-
9:51 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

This current BOS is as daffy and corrupt as the Trump administration.

We told them to sell the Grace Gouveia building and Community Center for top dollar.  They did not follow Town mmetin vote and instead went off on their own.

We passed the housing trust after being told it would start out slow and we'd purchase one or two a year.  But that was a lie and they are now spending $12,000,000 to buy twenty six units.

Do you trust them to be honest and follow the wishes of the taxpayers.
9:07 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

So after the BOS and Town Manager did everything in their power to ensure that the Harbor Hill Article passed I'm done with them. As far as I am concerned bring in the next batch because this one can go f... themselves.
3:28 pm est 

The Legacy of the Town Planner and Government

I think Provincetown has lost it's charm. They tore down a beautiful house on Franklin Street, just to build condos. What is wrong with the people that work in town hall,not so smart I guess. Just ruining this beautiful town, even people who have been coming here for years are complaining.
 
3:01 pm est 

Re: Gordon J Siegel To the BOS/TM/YRRHT
 
 "The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! Our president is the anti christ! The sky is falling too right? You should swim out there wearing a Hillary for president flag and tell that Russian ship to leave because they're being mean spirited.  But keep in mind we patrol their shores everyday with our own ships Lmao!!!

Lets concentrate on what is happening right under our noses with our own really and true little corrupt government that misleads and yes lies to its people at every turn. Never mind deflecting on to something we have no hope of controlling just try to concentrate on the evil that inhabits our town hall."
 
The level of stupidity and lack of common sense in this crowd is sick and insane. The Russian ships have significant weaponry, but hey, let 'em blow up your overpriced condos if they decide to play rough, I don't care!  No, the Prez is not the Antichrist, but he is a Malignant Narcissist who is unfit for office, and a walking disaster for this country. But hey, when his boy Pence sends you to re-education camps, I'll just go to a Black Lives Matter protest. As for Hillary T-shirts, I use those for washing my windows.  Finally, if you want to waste your time having temper tantrums over what today are petty distractions, go right ahead -- you reap what you sow, so have at it, dig your own graves.  Just so you know, the rest of us find you infinitely BORING broken records.


2:57 pm est 

Re: Hello! Anyone Out There?

You Just want Relevance

Old news is not news at all. That is what I sense someone is saying. Just like you don't just want to hear about the weather on the Provincetown Voice or self-congratulatory statements, you want something real, something worth reading.
2:49 pm est 

Re: Hello! Anyone Out There?

"Time for the beacon to Upgrade and re-new its news Getting boring. Same old, same old. Do something!"

Hey. Why don't YOU post something, instead of urging everyone else on like a 2 year old.
1:03 pm est 

Re: Town Vehicles

Wrong... check around. I believe the Chief has his as his personal vehicle and so doesn't the Lieutenant... Town gas, free ride... Both live out of town...
9:16 am est 

Saturday, February 18, 2017

Re: Town Vehicles

 
REGARDING TOWN OWNED VEHICLES

I don't care what vehicle the town manager uses, but I do care that he is giving a sum of money to use his own vehicle and as now chosen to ride in one the town owns.
I would call that double dipping.
Also, has anyone verified the insurance coverage on that vehicle to be sure it can be used for personal use? It is a town vehicle for the parking department to use during season and may not be covered for personal use. I know that my insurance always wants to know if I use my personal vehicle for anything related to work and the premiums would probably be higher.
Seems like someone wants to have their cake and eat it to!
Also, I do not believe that our police vehicles are used for personal use. Even when an officer wants to transport an elderly or injured person they need to radio the station for permission. You should only get to ride in these vehicles if you broke the law and are in handcuffs!
10:54 am est 

Friday, February 17, 2017

Hello! Anyone Out There?

Time for the beacon to Upgrade and re-new its news

Getting boring. Same old, same old. Do something!

You're there or you're not. Time to wake up!
7:31 pm est 

Tom Donegan

Wasn't Donegan Leaving for His New Place in New York?

well, maybe it is now only Mark Weinress's new place in New York. Now, it looks like we have him--even if Mark Weinress doesn't have him.

So, he is now overly engaged here in town instead of packing his bags for a new life in Manhattan.

Now his new life is no place else than here. Oh, gosh oh gosh. And now we have him. Yikes!
7:29 pm est 

Town Vehicles:

What difference does it make if the Town Manager uses the Parking car as his personal vehicle, because he allows the police to do the same and bring their families along too...
9:12 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill

Harborhill Why is Ptown so willing to pay 8 million for a 3 Million dollar property?That is totally crazy. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT..
9:11 am est 

Re: Gordon J Siegel To the BOS/TM/YRRHT

"It's tough living in a town where the truth is not PC and our town government doesn't like the issues clouded up with facts,"

Amen
9:07 am est 

Thursday, February 16, 2017

Re: Gordon J Siegel To the BOS/TM/YRRHT

The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! Our president is the anti christ! The sky is falling too right? You should swim out there wearing a Hillary for president flag and tell that Russian ship to leave because they're being mean spirited.  But keep in mind we patrol their shores everyday with our own ships Lmao!!!
 
Lets concentrate on what is happening right under our noses with our own really and true little corrupt government that misleads and yes lies to its people at every turn. Never mind deflecting on to something we have no hope of controlling just try to concentrate on the evil that inhabits our town hall.

PS Thank you Gordon, your posts are always right on track and well thought out. It's tough living in a town where the truth is not PC and our town government doesn't like the issues clouded up with facts, your comments and posts are appreciated. It's nice to know that someone else has the backbone to speak the truth.

The Deer Hunter :-D
4:32 pm est 

Re: Gordon J Siegel To the BOS/TM/YRRHT:

"You have bigger things to worry about -- like the Russian military vessels, armed with missiles, cruising off the Atlantic coast, just barely on the border of our international waters.... "

Oh, that was you at Herring Cove wearing your night vision goggles.
3:21 pm est 

Re: Town Talk Total BS
 
"If you are't satisfied with the amount of information on Town Talk, maybe it is time to hire a communications director for The Town of Provincetown."  
 
 
A Communications Director, WTF. Donegan  has not even given any data on the Town Nurse we hired to combat the "drug crisis". Has this person done anything for the 100 grand we pay her.
2:36 pm est 

Re: Gordon J Siegel To the BOS/TM/YRRHT:

Man, you really are living in some alternative universe...with the crises flying left and right in this country, all you can find to do is bitch about one real estate deal, your piddling tax bills, and pissing and moaning about people YOU don't like? You DO read the news occasionally? Sounds to me like you whiners are no better than Trump -- "ME, ME, ME"! FYI -- you have bigger things to worry about -- like the Russian military vessels, armed with missiles, cruising off the Atlantic coast, just barely on the border of our international waters....
 
2:24 pm est 

Re: Gordon J Siegel To the BOS/TM/YRRHT:
 
"I understand you have a confidential opinion from K&P. But what can you tell us regarding the fact that Harbor Hill is located in a res 1 zoning, and Harbor Hill existed by exception with a hotel/motel license. And as I understand our current zoning laws, upon sale whomever buys it will have to do a 'change of use' to use them as anything besides a time share. It clearly leaves the door open for anyone, abutters or others, to sue the Buyer (Town) to prevent apartments in a res 1. zoning. In our Town of NIMBY, it is more probable than not. Also, regarding the "exit sell plan, you can not sell individual units in res 1 zoning. Has that changed as well?" 
  
Good points, Gordon, as usually, though I suspect NIMBY might not be as prevalent with a 'middle class' project.
10:12 am est 

Re: An Observation

"Nice to see the town trucks are finally out on Overtime.. Where were they all day. Not in my neighborhood for sure...."

Exactly what day did it snow all day and they weren't out?
Where is "your neighborhood" ?
10:07 am est 

Gordon J Siegel To the BOS/TM/YRRHT:

I understand you have a confidential opinion from K&P. But what can you tell us regarding the fact that Harbor Hill is located in a res 1 zoning, and Harbor Hill existed by exception with a hotel/motel license. And as I understand our current zoning laws, upon sale whomever buys it will have to do a 'change of use' to use them as anything besides a time share. It clearly leaves the door open for anyone, abutters or others, to sue the Buyer (Town) to prevent apartments in a res 1. zoning. In our Town of NIMBY, it is more probable than not. Also, regarding the "exit sell plan, you can not sell individual units in res 1 zoning. Has that changed as well?
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David B. Panagore
 
David B. Panagore Gordon-I hear your concerns and the questions you raise. However regarding zoning, the bidding process is not complete, that means being cautious and not sharing our legal advice that directly impacts value while we are still mid-process. We were thorough and went thru the whole history, that's the best I can say.
10:05 am est 

Re: Town Manager

Why does the Town Manager continue to use our Parking Department vehicle as his personal wheels?  Per his contract we are reimbursing him for his.
Panagore's Contract states:  
 
C. Vehicle and Travel Reimbursements: Panagore's duties require the use of his personal automobile. Panagore shall provide his own automobile, maintain a valid operator's license, and be responsible for paying all liability, property, andcomprehensive insurance, cost of maintenance, repair, registration, and regular replacement of said automobile. The Town shall reimburse Panagore forexpenses incurred in the official use of his personal automobile, up to and limited to the amount appropriated annually for such expenses. Panagore shall pxovide the Board with verification of said expenses, in a form satisfactory to the Board, prior to payment being made.
8:07 am est 

Re: Town Talk Total BS

If you are't satisfied with the amount of information on Town Talk, maybe it is time to hire a communications director for The Town of Provincetown. 
1:01 am est 

Wednesday, February 15, 2017

Winter Wednesdays

Huge props to the creators of winter wednesdays

The classes have been growing in size and I've learned so much

I never thought Indian could be so easy!
9:54 pm est 

Re: In Support of Wayne Martin

I was in court with several witnesses testifying in Wayne's behalf 3 years ago when Margo Martin, Wayne's mother stated under oath that Obama was putting all male white Christian babies to death and also that her son Robert J Martin didn't have a drug or alcohol problem that wasn't even the worst of her delusions. As a matter of fact she told the Judge that he didn't drink at all. The other one is Lisa Foley Meads who had stolen from just about everybody she had worked for and been fired for it. She has now been charged for felony larceny for stealing in excess of $50k from Hal Winard. Her and her boyfriend Robert J Martin amongst other refubates live with,abuse and take advantage of Mrs. Martin. Mrs. Martin who had almost 60 cats running free in her house is well know in the community to be severely mentally ill and highly susceptible to suggestion. This is the 7th time in a little over 3 years that someone from that house hold has made bogus accusations against W!
ayne and they are always proven to be utterly false, henceforth the criminal harassment and felony charges they are all facing. This last accusation from Mrs. Martin is that Wayne took out a life insurance policy on her and is trying to kill her. So you know Wayne has had absolutely no contact with any of them coming up on 4 years. So again know what you talking about before you post.
P.S. Wayne has dealt with a lot with his family without a hitch so give him a friggin break and grow up.
9:52 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

Harbor Hills

We the residents were fed alternative facts!
This will cost the tax payers more than the alternative facts that were given!

Town Manager and BOS what are you going to do for the middle class that are hanging on to keep our home here?
9:49 pm est 

Re: Valentine's Day Massacre

Another massacre, town hall staff working a half day on Friday.  Did you know we are the only town on the Cape that allows this.

Time to go back to 5 full days!
9:48 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Bidding Process and Progress

UPDATE: The Town has made it to the second round, The court received three bids: Ours at $8,101,620., another at $7,500,000 and a third at $2,000,000.The next round of bidding is on February 27th at the Court in Boston.  The Board of Selectmen and Housing Trust will meet to develop our bid strategy in Executive Session on Thursday.

Once again, thank you all for your support. 

_______________________________

The Provincetown Year Round Rental Housing Trust, in Executive Session, has submitted a bid, based on the advice of staff and our consultants, to buy the Harbor Hill Timeshare  Resort.

Bids will be opened on Tuesday on behalf of the Bankruptcy Court. We will share information on the status of our bid .on Town Talk when that information becomes public.

On behalf of the Trustess, thank you for your overwhelming support.

Tom Donegan Chair
9:46 pm est 

Town Talk Total BS

"A civic space for information, questions and discussion about town hall grounded in mutual respect, and professional decorum. Town Talk, is a public FB group so that all may see, but membership posting is a privilege. Failure to abide by this standard will result in ejection.If you wish to contact the Town Manager directly please use email dpanagore@provincetown-ma.gov."

This is TownTalk, bullshit. Never anything posted by our illustrious Town Manager or BOS as concerns the police station or DPW. No talk about expansion of the sewer. Never anything about what the Town Planner is working on that benefits the long term health of our town. Nothing but that stupid ass Harbor Hill complex. Update us on road work for the spring instead of the weather report.
9:39 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!
 
"So the towns people's votes were all a fraud? Were they fake people?" 
 
 
The townspeople's votes were not fraudulent. The manipulation of facts by the BOS to get the measure passed was criminal.
4:42 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

Did we get into the bidding?

It's all a moot point until we find out if the town is in the final rounds of bidding.  It ain't over til it's over!

But yes, this whole process does have a stinky smell to it!

We'll see.
4:40 pm est 

Valentine's Day Massacre

Happy Valentine's Day massacre Provincetown taxpayers!
Don't forget to thank the outstanding staff!
1:57 pm est 

Re: VFW

Huts @ at the VFW! Lol
1:56 pm est 

To: Wayne Martin

Dear Wayne. I'm sure the reason for your Court date had no merit, caused by crazy women who happen to know you well, so how could it matter? Still it wicks away any good standing you may have cultivated. Dead Dear.
1:54 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

"Let's Just Say: Town Meeting Was Rigged"

So the towns people's votes were all a fraud? Were they fake people? If you felt that strongly about a issue, then it's your duty to research the subject thoroughly to make an informed choice (and not depend on selectman to do it for you) Then you spread the word to fellow voters, instead of crying about it on a message board. That's just plain lazy....
1:53 pm est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

When does the Town Manger's contract come up for renewal? Considering the unlawful rental of the Community Center to the chair of FINCOM he should be replaced.
1:46 pm est 

Tuesday, February 14, 2017

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

Who is our fake celebrity?

And on Harbor Hill, it is going to be an unmitigated disaster.  The good news for the boys (literally, boys not men) who pushed it through, they will be out of office by then since the Housing Trust money should last a few years before the project implodes on itself.

Happy Valentine's Day massacre Provincetown taxpayers!
9:39 pm est 

Re: To: The Town Manager

Town Manager, I don't give a f... about the weather so shut up.

Ok. How about the next crucial subject...parking?
9:36 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

When the whole HH thing turns into the disaster that we all know it is destined to be, I can't wait to hear what lame excuses the cuzzins will come up with.  It's just too bad it will cost the taxpayers millions for these two knuckleheads to be shown for the self-serving, no-nothings that they truly are.
9:34 pm est 

Posted on Craigslist:

WHERE IS THE LIST

$1385 / 2br - Year Round 2 BR apartment (Provincetown)
2017-02-06 12:34pm

© craigslist - Map data © OpenStreetMap
90 Shankpainter Rd
(google map)

2BR / 1.5Ba available mar 10

cats are OK - purrr
dogs are OK - wooof
apartment
laundry on site
no smoking
off-street parking
wheelchair accessible
Province Landing Apartments
90 Shankpainter Road, Suite 100
Provincetown, MA 02657
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Accepting applications for 2 BR apartments

Province Landing is accepting applications for 2 BR year round apartments beginning on Tuesday February 2, 2017 until Tuesday February 28, 2017. Applications can be picked up at our office or they can be emailed or snail mailed to you upon request. Applications returned to us by mail must be postmarked on or before February 28, 2017.

We have one 2 BR, 1000 sq. ft., one and one-half bath townhouse which will be available on March 10th. This is apartment is restricted to applicants who make up to 80% of the Barnstable County median income. The rent will be $1385 per month plus utilities. First month rent and one month security will be required. Qualified applicants who are not selected for this apartment will be added to our waitlist. Income requirements for this apartment are as follows:

Minimum household income is: $41,700
Maximum household income is: 2 people - $52,650
3 people - $59,250
4 people - $65,800
5 people -- $71,100

We are also accepting applications for our 2 BR apartment waitlist. Applicants making up to 60% of median income are encouraged to apply. Current rents are $1177 plus utilities and are subject to change.

Minimum household income required is: $35,500
Maximum household income is: 2 people - $42,000
3 people - $47,280
4 people - $52,500
5 people - $56,700

Minimum income restrictions are waived for applicants holding Section 8 or MRVP vouchers.

Province Landing does not discriminate in the selection of applicants on the basis of race, color, national origin, disability, ancestry, familial status, genetic information, marital status, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, veteran/military status or any other prohibited by law.

11:49 am est 

An Observation

I heard our fake celeb "isn't getting stuck here" this is just until she gets to LA and gets a show Good Riddence to bad rubbish We will gladly watch to land flat on your face out west
11:44 am est 

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

"Trump: I don't care who'a line of clothing they sell. I am not stopping going there. They sell too many other great items at a great price."

Consider it as if you were making a donation.  Whenever possible, even if you have to pay a little more, buy locally.

The Trump crap and s almost out of there anyway.
11:42 am est 

Monday, February 13, 2017

Let's Just Say: Town Meeting Was Rigged

It was a done deal and yet how the three stooges got there--well, it is not legal. Now for the state to weigh in. It is not limitless power even though all three stooges act as if they are three kings--oh, yes, all three Kings of           rule!!

Wow! Life here is surely interesting.
9:51 pm est 

Observations:

Happened on the BOS meeting, noticed the Town Manager spends all his time playing with his phone when the camera is on him.
Wondered what they were talking about and looked up their agenda.  What caught my eye was that I give a donation to the library it may be used to pay for the staff holiday party.  I'll think twice before I give them another donation
and then I saw they were going to put mobile home trailers on Jerome smith parking lot.  Why not fill vfw site with them?
9:48 pm est 

Re: Town Plowing

Nice to see the town trucks are finally out on Overtime.. Where were they all day. Not in my neighborhood for sure....
9:46 pm est 

An Observation

The tenor of some of these posts...."the dark triad???" So bizarre and unhinged . I wonder why I read them , I must look in the mirror
9:42 pm est 

Re: Wayne Martin

What were you doing up at court? Everybody knows his mother and the other woman that lives with her are nuts and both have previous charges of felony larceny and criminal harassment against them. Basically his mother runs a halfway house for the criminally insane. Lmao! He is the only one that is fully functional and has a decent head on his shoulders in that whole family, seems like he is the only one that takes after his father in that department. Oh by the way absolutely nobody cares how you vote anyway! HA HA HA
9:41 pm est 

Fingers Crossed

The town under the dark triad probably wont make the finaal cut for bidding anyway, then they can say they tried and no one wanted to help them.  Then they can throw up their hands and say "we are done".  Watch, it will play out this way, and they will blame Panagore and he can blame them and he will move on..............another fiasco!

For sure!
3:58 pm est 

Re: Wayne Martin

Was in court on Friday February 10th and saw two woman they just took restraining orders out on Wayne Martin  one is his mother. And why should we trust him being Selectman? He just lost my vote.
3:56 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!
 
"So according to CC Times Sen. Cyr helped organize the phone bank to promote HH. The owner of the Salty Market in Truro hosted a phone bank. WTF?"
 
Cyr lives in Truro and The owner of Salty lives in Provincetown. I hear Yingling lives "part time" in Truro also.;)
3:55 pm est 

To: The Town Manager

Town Manager, I don't give a f... about the weather so shut up.
3:52 pm est 

Re: Which BOS Seats are Up for Reelection?

To the question: Bobby Anthony and Raphael Richter's seat is up in May of 2017

two seats up for grabs. Would be good to get a strong intelligent person, not connected to the triad ( or the three little pigs) to be elected. I hope we get a surprise candidate who can listen to voters, be strong and take a stand for the town--not orchestrated presentations and dog and pony shows like the last three years.
11:03 am est 

An Observation

When Yingling grows up he wants to be Mitch McConnell.

Guess who wants to be Kellyanne?
11:01 am est 

Re: Assistant Assessor and Town Planner

Assistant Assessor and Town Planner up to no good again !!

What a ridicules post..tell more if you know it
10:53 am est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

Julian Cyr even said in his telephone call he was going to speak in favor of HH and he cited others that would speak in favor. It was blatantly set up to prohibit opposition to speak.
10:52 am est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

Regarding the town meeting- everyone knew how they were going to vote when the question was called. Those in favor- most of the crowd. Those against- like three hands went up. It is what it is
 
10:50 am est 

Sunday, February 12, 2017

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

Trump: I don't care who'a line of clothing they sell. I am not stopping going there. They sell too many other great items at a great price. This could go on and on but the stores will continue to survive.....
 
10:57 pm est 

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

To the person now boycotting tjmaxx and marshalls:

You should have been boycotting them already for their sales of real fur from China.
8:43 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

"This was Town government operating at its worst.  Similar to the Trump administration, town residents were conned. Travesty"


Not only that, but town meeting was carefully structured to allow proponents to speak and the question was called before any opponents were allowed to speak.   We listened to an hour and a half of introductions of the article.   MJA initially did not allow the question to be called.   After a number of proponents spoke the question was then called before anyone in opposition was allowed to speak.  Those who were in opposition (see Mark DelFranco) were silenced by any means possible.

Yep, it did seem Trump like.  This is not what we voted for when we were initially sold on the trust.
5:14 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted! Harbor Hill Process a Travesty!

So according to CC Times Sen. Cyr helped organize the phone bank to promote HH.  The owner of the Salty Market in Truro hosted a phone bank.
WTF?

Richter and Yingling were heavily involved.  In spite of the fact that this is not a BOS project.

This was Town government operating at its worst.  Similar to the Trump administration, town residents were conned. Travesty
11:28 am est 

Saturday, February 11, 2017

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

It seems that Neumann Marcus, Sears, KMart, and Nordstrom, have decided not to carry Trump inventory.  Marshall's and TJ Maxx are following suit. 

All of it made in China.  Not sure how he reconciles that with with his "Make America Great Again".
10:32 pm est 

Re: Cruel and Unusual Punishment

"Oh the horror of it all!  New Englanders actually had to brave a snow storm to go to work. Pray tell us, how did they fare?  Did they all survive?"

Hmmm. Having had responsibility of overseeing 600 employees in metropolitan Boston, you can be certain I would release workers reasonably ahead of a storm for their safety, equally ensuring the safety of emergency and maintenance crews. Panagore simply might not have the chops/experience/insight to call the shots in a decisive and timely manner. Still, it's not a good enough excuse to endanger lives.

And as for the smug poster, it's evident you spent most of your personal time crafting a response, while the poor employees, trapped in Town Hall, watched the snow accumulate.

"Furiously frosty fusillade"? And my favorite:"cylopean storm". Perhaps you refer to Storm The Cyclopean Gates O, a song by Bal-Sagoth? Otherwise, you don't make a lick of sense. You might spend some time shoveling to clear your head.
6:37 pm est 

Friday, February 10, 2017

Re: Get Your Facts Straight - Erik Yingling-Harbor Hill

"Erik Yingling worked as hard if not harder than anyone to put together the Harbor Hill Project and of course voted along with three other Selectmen to pass the project!"


He should not have been involved at all.  Or was this a purchase by the BOS which should have been subject to procurement.
11:33 pm est 

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

Thanks for letting me know about TJ Maxx and Marshall's.

'I'm now boycotting them both.


11:29 pm est 

Re: Get Your Facts Straight - Erik Yingling-Harbor Hill

"Thank You to Erik and this BOS for bringing this amazing opportunity to the future of our community. Detractors, step aside, you were overwhelmingly defeated at town meeting AND at the polls. It's time to let the town go forward and grow as a community."

Very concise. But a tad self-congratulatory, don't you think, Erik? But, we'll see how fast you run from HH, if the town ever gets hold of it (which I doubt).

The proposed rent, without upgrades, won't be really acceptable. For that kind of money,basic and worn kitchen appliances, baths, rugs etc will just not do, especially for some gay men, who appreciate stylized living. 

And I agree, a lot of the town younger folks wild for this project are hanging on until HH is bought and they can rent a unit, with 3 other people. Sorry, no cigar. 

11:26 pm est 

Re: Cruel and Unusual Punishment

He closed the offices at 2:30 sending staff home to fend for themselves in the height of the blizzard.. what message he sent to his staff.


Oh the horror of it all!  New Englanders actually had to brave a snow storm to go to work. Pray tell us, how did they fare?  Did they all survive? 

I took the day off myself rather than face the furiously frosty fusillade.  Of course, I had to use a personal day.  But, at least I was able to dodge the dicey disturbance of the elements.

Are we to believe town employees have no paid time off they could have used in order to steer clear of the cyclopean storm?  Maybe, just maybe, the poster is a disgruntled desk jockey looking for  a free day off courtesy of the taxpayers.

Or are we to believe if you stayed home Provincetown's personal press gang would have dragged you out of your home and dragged you, against your will to the town hall where you would have been made to engage in your usual perfunctory paper shuffling. Cruel and Unusual Punishment
11:24 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted!

Please

You may have won but how you won ! Please remember you only have a fraction of the information !!!! Your municipal group is very very very bad.
You have lost.
11:19 pm est 

Time for Change at BOS

When is the next BOS seat open? Time to get Austin Knight back, much better than the 3 stooges in there now.
11:18 pm est 

Re: Get Your Facts Straight - Erik Yingling-Harbor Hill

Get your facts straight. Right! like the Voters had the fact straight from town leaders? Yingling worked as hard if not harder than anyone? - yes its called me, myself and I. Labor of love? narcissism and Shira- poop who are you? thoughtful radicalism? more like thoughtless emotional manipulation
 
11:16 pm est 

Re: Get Your Facts Straight - Erik Yingling-Harbor Hill

Underlying plan? What plan? the imaginary LCP? Why bother now, years later?
11:14 pm est 

Re: Get Your Facts Straight - Erik Yingling-Harbor Hill

Who cares about Yingling and McPherson?  If any of these post are true, they deserve each other and housing for all their hard work manipulating townsfolk.
11:12 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Wrong Choice - VFW Missed Opportunity

Why again didn't the BoS propose to build affordable housing at the VFW? I talked to two local builders about the cost and they would have been approx half the price per unit maybe less depending on design,  not to mention brand new and far easier access for Fire & Rescue.
 
We have that property just sitting there that we got for a bargain why not build affordable housing on it? The Police station is now supposed to go across the street in the "pines" which seems to make sense. We don't need Winslow Farms for anything even though the BoS kept trying to jam that junk scheme down our throats! 
 
I asked both Yingling and Donegan on their Facebook pages several times and neither one would give me an answer. So can anybody give me a legitimate reason why affordable housing wasn't proposed and housing only, instead of this HH scheme which is tantamount to jumping off a cliff into the water and not knowing how deep it is!
 
It might just be me but this makes a hell of a lot more sense than buying a 21 year old money pit "HH" and paying a ton of money for it just for location and view. I also think that it should be put in writing somewhere that the sponsors/architects of this article be banned from living there if we should be unlucky enough to get it.

P.S. I feel bad for anybody that might out bid the BoS on this because our town government will put them through hell as they do with everything else they want and don't get, e.g. Duarte's parking lot and the Winslow Farms property.

Wayne Martin
11:08 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Not Affordable Housing

Remember, lots of people moved out of town because they needed jobs that weren't here not solely because they couldn't find affordable housing. And lots of people that work in town live elsewhere to be closer to good schools for their children. I really don't think Harbor Hill is going to fill up....not even close and it can never be used for affordable because of its legal standing with the government and town meeting vote.
11:02 pm est 

Re: Erik Yingling - Community Center Recusal

Yingling recused himself from the Community Center vote. 

From the Cape Cod Times: "Selectmen approved the committee's recommendation, with Selectman Erik Yingling recusing himself for personal reasons, on Monday night. Yingling declined to specify why he recused himself."

"I think it's great for the arts community and for Provincetown," said Selectman Thomas Donegan. "But I wish I could have said yes to both, because we need housing too."

5:20 pm est 

Re: Get Your Facts Straight - Erik Yingling-Harbor Hill

A Labor of Love?

ReallY? Erik Yingling? He did little for this town before he was a selectman and now he does a lot for himself. Harbor Hill is all about HIM. It is his chance to get housing with a view and his chance to live there. maybe this time with Gloria McPherson again or maybe she gets her own room with a view. This is not new with them.

A labor of love--well there must be a new definition of love that is being used or misused. It's a happy Valentine for both of them--and including Raphael Richter who also will be  moving in as soon as possible.

If you  missed the underlying plan--not about police who do not want to live there or about firemen who are few nor about teachers for a high school without a high school--but all and totally about this triad.

Add in Mr. bow tie and you see him moving in as well.

they worked hard---for themselves and for their own town-subsidized housing.
10:10 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Not Affordable Housing

I know a number of younger voters who jumped on the HH bandwagon because they somehow believe it's going to be akin to affordable housing. Either the town really dropped the ball in terms of explaining exactly what income level these units will be for, or there was some intentional misleading from the "grassroots" group that rallied all the bored winter townies into town hall to vote. I think a lot of these low income locals are in for a rude awakening when they see who those units go to. It ain't going to be waiters and shop girls.
9:20 am est 

Re: Town Meeting - Town Moderator

Paul, Ray and I talked to Bobby Anthony at the HH town hall meeting and he told us he was the one who recused himself from the vote because he's a realtor. I asked him why is everybody saying Yingling recused himself too? He said  Eric didn't and he had no idea people even thought that.

Wayne Martin
9:17 am est 

Re: Town Meeting - Town Moderator

Get your facts straight.

Erik Yingling worked as hard if not harder than anyone to put together the Harbor Hill Project and of course voted along with three other Selectmen to pass the project!

Bobby Anthony recused himself from discussions and votes, I assume because of his civilian occupation.

Stop trying to denigrate Erik Yingling, he volunteers long hours to his hometown, as has his whole family for years. Serving as a Selectman in Provincetown has to be a labor of love as it sure in hell never gets one compliments.

Thank You to Erik and this BOS for bringing this amazing opportunity to the future of our community. Detractors, step aside, you were overwhelmingly defeated at town meeting AND at the polls. It's time to let the town go forward and grow as a community.
9:14 am est 

Thursday, February 9, 2017

Re: Town Hall

"The Town Manager is so arrogant, did you expect any different? What office is so important during a storm at Town Hall that they can['t] close?"
 
He closed the offices at 2:30 sending staff home to fend for themselves in the height of the blizzard.. what message he sent to his staff
 
11:30 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Town Moderator

"Why did the town moderator say the BOS vote was 4-0-0 in favor of Harbor Hill? Aren't there five selectmen?"


Yingling did not vote, gave no reason.  My guess is he's going to look to get an apartment and will say there's no conflict because he didn't vote.

He is as slimy as the Trump administration
11:24 pm est 

Re: Problematic Town Planner

Well like a ground hog McPherson pops out of her hole, to create issues between finance , selectman and all town boards.  If  we are all fighting among ourselves we are  missing, the real issues please good people of Provincetown , she is a real problem for all of us.
11:23 pm est 

Snow Storm

What ever happened to common sense?  When you see someone shoveling there driveway and a plow goes by and plows you in...  That's what the Town trucks do...

The town doesn't want homeowners throwing the snow in the street then perhaps they should be more cautious when they are plowing residents back in.....
11:21 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted!

"When seven or more people stand to move the question, the Moderator needs to take the vote."

yes the shady BOS is of course very of aware of this. Nice Flea flicker MJ.. Julian Cyr owes the Provincetown Voters an apology. Social justice my ass.

5:43 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted!

Mark Del Franco Was Treated Poorly

and badly treated by the BOS. Raphael Richter and Erik Yingling went out of their way to damage Mark Del Franco and deny him a voice on this Harbor Hill vote. They worked in an underhanded way to silence him and take away the power of Fincom's minority report. All this orchestrated treachery is more than disgusting. It is an affront to our democracy and an affront to small town open meetings and including all town voices.

Everything is pre-programmed and town staff is using their time, their efforts to convince, manipulate, confuse town voters. They are promising the younger voters illusions and fantasies while who will be living there will be none other than Raphael Richter and Erik Yinlging and Gloria McPherson and, you will see, David Panagore. It will be added to his contract!

How sick is this?
1:05 pm est 

The Town Manager is so arrogant, did you expect any different? What office is so important during a storm at Town Hall that they can['t] close? He closed the offices at 2:30 sending staff home to fend for themselves in the height of the blizzard.. what message he sent to his staff
 
"...Town Manager is keeping offices open..." 
 
The Town Manager is so arrogant, did you expect any different?  What office is so important during a storm at Town Hall that they can['t] close?
12:39 pm est 

Harbor Hill - Warrant

Should the town be concerned that the warrant we voted for said "a sum of money" to purchase Harbor Hill without having it in writing the $10.7 million limit that was verbally agreed to? I do not trust these groups and fear the town might offer even more and tell us they did not foresee the price of this once in a life time opportunity.
12:38 pm est 

Town Meeting - Town Moderator

Why did the town moderator say the BOS vote was 4-0-0 in favor of Harbor Hill? Aren't there five selectmen?
11:10 am est 

Re: Town Planner Gloria McPherson

Town Planner is part of the divisiveness of this town

Since she arrived and since she threw the past permit coordinator under the bus, she has been a major problem for this town. Obviously she has dirt on David Gardner and much dirt on David Panagore but this delirious woman must go.

Gloria McPherson is not a town planner--she has no degrees in town planning and never ever received a masters. She did work for developers before she was here--and quess what?  McPherson remains a developer's partner in all things Provincetown.

McDeveloper must go. She is destructive of how this town works and of the community that we are and have been.
10:58 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill v 2nd Home Owners
 
The town gives 2nd homeowners no rights but has no problem shopping at auction for Harbor Hill with all of their tax money !!
10:55 am est 

Town Hall

The Town Management that doesn't care.  While almost every other town on the Cape is closed today our Town Manager is keeping offices open telling employees if they are concerned they have to take a vacation day.

With no concern for their safety he will have them driving home in blizzard.   Way to show your staff their wellbeing is not important to you.
10:53 am est 

Re: Erik Yingling v Mark Del Franco
 
Yes of course they did
Yingling is our own little version of Trump.  The threats against Mark DelFranco came directly from Yingling.
10:51 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Bait and Switch
 
"I hear the State is already looking in to the HH process.  I know because I filed a complaint on Wednesday.  Stay tuned." 
 
Good luck with that..the state seems to ignore Provincetown's version of democracy
 
9:27 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill and the Few Select

Don't forget the Harbor Hill project and the 'few select' from Town Hall who will get the sweetest apartments up there!
9:25 am est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted!

As a Provincetown Resident and taxpayer, I found the town meeting more than disturbing. It was clear that the cousins had a plan however, I thought bringing  Dan Cyr to our town meeting with his non voting opinions so he can check a box on his political portfolio. I thought was unfair to not let the voters have a say in this.
 
Mary Jo was a huge disappointment this year by her yelling and voicing that we will all be heard than stripping our democracy by not letting everyone speak. This is not democracy this is how Trump does things. I hope we get a new moderator soon because Mary Jo's opinions are very clear how she steered the room.
 
All this negative talk about Realtors when Mary Jo and Bobby are Realtors. I guess like many things in this town we have a sliding scale of our hatred as well. We like the Realtors we choose on the town  boards but all the others are pure evil. I used to like Mary Jo  a lot but when you consider the people she is putting on her Finance Committee Board and their actions. I wish I was on her board too, You can be given a town building and additional funds to fix-it it.
 
I see now why and how the voters didn't get a say on the lease and not the sale of the community Center. Now we will subsidize Creative Commons our Old Community Center for the few select that play together at town hall. I and many other people still want to know how this happened and how did it happen when we have a housing crisis? Will this building be kept for housing or for and art center because the answer at town meeting was we needed housing not an art center. Will the town continue on using our assets like the community center for housing????
8:12 am est 

Re: Erik Yingling v Mark Del Franco

Yingling is our own little version of Trump.  The threats against Mark DelFranco came directly from Yingling.
8:03 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Bait and Switch

". . .Hopefully the state will get involved because this trust is not what was presented to the governor."

I hear the State is already looking in to the HH process.  I know because I filed a complaint on Wednesday.  Stay tuned.
8:00 am est 

Wednesday, February 8, 2017

A Comment

Clarence thank you posting both sides of the issues at hand
10:30 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted!

Maybe It's time to Call the Question

during the two hour positive fantasy presentation

Call the question!! Five people get up to speak--four already pre-planned by town hall--and then call the question?? No, this is not how a democracy works.

Two hours for town presentations, then two hours for questions and debate and this purposeful use and misuse of call the question must stop.

We need new interpretations but because our democracy is at stake.

I believe we need to call the question after five minutes of town hall dog and pony show!

8:48 pm est 

A Critical Observsation - You Can Run But You Cannot Hide

Assistant Assessor and Town Planner up to no good again !!
8:38 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted!

The problem Mrs Moderator is that it was motioned on the floor 7 people did stand to move the question and you said I think we should hear more on the subject, those  are the facts. It was your duty to take a vote the first time and you by yourself decided differently. Cyr was not part of the HH project the only thing here was there for was to sway votes as Senator. How is that right to let him speak but not us.
1:20 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted!

To MJA: as long as your pals got to speak you were fine.  Rosalyn Garfield is rolling in her grave. 
1:18 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Democracy Averted!

When seven or more people stand to move the question, the Moderator needs to take the vote. If the Town Meeting wants to continue debate, they need to vote no on moving the question.

Mary-Jo Avellar
11:56 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill

It will be interesting to see how far along the town gets in the bidding process, this is far from over!
11:18 am est 

Town Meeting - Democracy Averted!

Allowing a non voter to take 5 minutes of public comments was bad. But cutting off public comments so quickly after yelling at us that everyone would be able to speak.  "Even those in the balcony."  There's democracy averted.
11:17 am est 

Harbor Hill - Bait and Switch

I voted for the market rate housing trust because their charter said they would buy 2 or 3 units per year. How are they allowed to change their premise after we voted for it and the Gov. allowed it to be established. HH may have been unforeseen but that type of project is not what the Housing Trust asked us to sign up for. Again, town meeting votes are not respected in Provincetown 
 
11:13 am est 

Harbor Hill: A Prediction of Things to Come

Looking forward to sitting back and watching Harbor Hill rot away....  There are not going to be very many MEDIUM income people interested in that.

Just sit back and watch....  Way to go Ptown...
10:11 am est 

A Story of Intolerance

No tolerance in Provincetown for contrary opinions I guess.


No tolerance in Provincetown for contrary opinions, that should be on the welcome to Provincetown sign!

David Garten is a 'long time' housing advocate, along with David Cox who droned on about his living in Provincetown 6 years! They know the town so well, and their slightly less rich friends are having to leave town and they are so missed at the pot lucks!
10:09 am est 

Re: Definition of Stupid

Interesting and telling the CHC had no recommendation on HH and that no-one questions the tactics RR and Yingling used to get what they want. Never would even made it to the ballot if categorized as affordable. Funny though, thats what some thought they were voting for. Disgusting, but not unusual in Provincetown
10:06 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Ignorance and Bad Manners
 
"Rather than developing 26 units for more wealthy transient visitors, we are developing 26 units for people who make the town work. People who have written against it, you may want to take note, already have homes here and shouldn't even be able to vote."

To suggest that people opposed to an article, who "already have homes here," "shouldn't even be able to vote" is unconscionable in a democracy. Language like this does nothing but pit neighbor against neighbor and deepens the split between people of different economic circumstances. Appalling.
 
10:00 am est 

Re: Erik Yingling

When Yingling grows up he wants to be Mitch McConnell.
9:59 am est 

Harbor Hill and the Unintended Consequence

Immigration ban.....fear justified not fact justified. Harbor Hill vote....fear justified not fact justified. Now we will learn the true facts as they are discovered. It will be a very different situation than we were led to believe. And because of that vote, affordable housing is dead for the next 30 years.
 
 
9:57 am est 

To: The Town Moderator

Mary Jo Avellar, as much as I like you, last night was wrong. To not allow discussion on the article was not only biased but may be grounds for a challenge to the article. Hopefully the state will get involved because this trust is not what was presented to the governor.
9:45 am est 

Re: A Comment

"What was it like watching all of your credibility fall away in real time last night?"

What is it going to be like when your tax bill goes up and the town mismanages the project in about 3 years? Hope you're around to see it happen...it will be thrilling!
9:43 am est 

Re: Town Meeting - David Garten
 
"At least David Garten signs his trash analysis of Harbor Hill, he sure doesn't understand Provincetown or it's people. That is evidenced in how well the voters followed his advice, or opinions. Who the hell is David Garten to spew his opinions as though they mattered. We are not stupid, Mr. Garten, your opinion is not needed."
 
Does anyone else see the irony here or is it just me?? Where's YOUR name, pal??
9:42 am est 

Re: Town Meeting - Inappropriateness

"I do have to say I thought it was totally inappropriate for non-resident Senator Cyr to be speaking on Town floor telling residents how to vote."

Cyr is a hollow suit with nothing to hold it up. He's a mouthpiece for any hot button issue yet understands nothing behind the proposals. He did it in Truro last year also, stood up, condemned the voters for potentially not voting the way HE would and then left the room before the vote!!

I didn't vote for him and never will.
9:40 am est 

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

Methinks someone is protesting a bit much.

Since when has $300 been a lot for a great sweater?
9:38 am est 

Re: Town Meeting Observation

I was at the meeting last night. In my opinion those officials against the proposal, especially one of them who spoke offstage , were scattered and borerline incoherent. The man who spoke off the podium wasted most of  his time voicing  a personal complaint ( however justified) , and zero on why the proposal was not good for town. One speaker from the audience had good sound questions. I appreciated him. The others certainly did not cover themselves in glory-
9:37 am est 

Vote Results

Gratifying to see the town resoundingly vote for the greater good last night. Possibly a reaction to policies of the so called president.

I think that any local developer who places a competing bid would and should expect a difficult time in response to their avarice.
9:36 am est 

Same as it Ever Was

Never would have happened for low income..Doug C once said in a fincom meeting , "yeah who would want to live on Shank Painter?"
 
Has Yingling got his first and last rent together?
9:34 am est 

Re: A Comment

"What was it like watching all of your credibility fall away in real time last night?"
 
Who? 
Seems like voter intimidation to me and yes non residents shouldn't have been allowed to speak..Senator and Cass Benson.."
 
9:29 am est 

 

"David Garten signs his trash analysis of Harbor Hill"

Give the guy a break...he is a long time housing advocate...like David Cox...long time 6 years...lol

12:13 am est 

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

 

Thanks for letting me know about TJ Maxx and Marshall's.

I'm now boycotting them both.

12:10 am est 

Tuesday, February 7, 2017

From: Wayne Martin

 

 

WHY IS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SENATOR CYR OFFICE CALLING MY F-ING HOUSE TELLING ME TO VOTE YES ON HARBOR HILL? WHY DOES HE GET TO SPEAK AT TOWN MEETING AND I AND A LOT OF US DON'T WHEN HE DOES NOT EVEN LIVE HERE OR PAY TAXES? IT WAS BAD ENOUGH WHEN CROOKED RICHTER CALL SOLICITING THE VOTE NOW THIS!


 

11:54 pm est 

Definition of Stupid

 

Knowing the truth, seeing the truth but Still believing the lies!

Congratulations to Provincetown voters who voted yes on HH you brought stupidity to a whole new level.


10:57 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - David Garten
 
Did Donald Trump writ the very nasty post about David Garten and his views on HH? No tolerance in Provincetown for contrary opinions I guess.
 
9:35 pm est 

Town Meeting - Harbor Hill

 

Can someone explain why the warrant for Harbor Hill did not state a dollar amount? Isn't that kinda like giving out a blank check? Anyone else concerned about that?? 

 

 

9:30 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - Mark Del Franco
 

"...the threats against Mark Del Franco..."  

 

 

What, exactly, were the threats? 

 
9:28 pm est 

Town Meeting - Fraud

 

Harbor Hill is Provincetown's own personal Obama care! A big congratulations to our town officials for getting away with probably the biggest fraud ever presented to the sheep that passed the article. I don't want to ever hear of any of you blaming the voters for passing it when they didn't have the real facts they only had your "alternate facts" to go by. Yes indeed if we as a town are unlucky enough to purchase this over priced money pit remember you OWN it. On another note since when is it right or fair to have non-voting out of towners and mostly all proponents speak at town meeting and not the rest of us? The moderator said she was going to let us talk but as soon as Peake and Cyr spoke that was it, the rest of us were shut down total BS!




5:27 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - David Garten
 
"At least David Garten signs his trash analysis of Harbor Hill, he sure doesn't understandProvincetown or it's people. That is evidenced in how well the voters followed his advice, or opinions. Who the hell is David Garten to spew his opinions as though they mattered. We are not stupid, Mr. Garten, your opinion is not needed."

 

And...your excuse for not signing this trash analysis of David Garten? Who the hell are you to spew your opinion as though it matters? 

 

5:24 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting - David Garten

At least David Garten signs his trash analysis of Harbor Hill, he sure doesn't understand Provincetown or it's people. That is evidenced in how well the voters followed his advice, or opinions. Who the hell is David Garten to spew his opinions as though they mattered. We are not stupid, Mr. Garten, your opinion is not needed.

11:58 am est 

A Comment

What was it like watching all of your credibility fall away in real time last night?
11:57 am est 

Town Meeting - Inappropriateness

I do have to say I thought it was totally inappropriate for non-resident Senator Cyr to be speaking on Town floor telling residents how to vote.

On another note, the threats against Mark Del Franco have Yingling and Donegan written all over it.  That's been their method in the past.

We will be revisiting HH again in the future when they run out of money and need to get an infusion of money from our taxes.  Unless we are lucky enough to not win the auction.
11:56 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Ignorance and Bad Manners

"Rather than developing 26 units for more wealthy transient visitors, we are developing 26 units for people who make the town work."

Sounds great on the surface! Yippee! Except... the HH 'plan' is fraught with uncertainties, hamstrung by financial ills, legal issues, inferior building practices, all driven by a band of blowhards in need of a legacy project.

If sensibility and thoughtfulness is 'bad manners', so be it.  

11:52 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Self Interest?

This question was posed on Facebook by a proponent of HH:
 
"all of the naysayers on HH purchase...it's going to be very interesting to see who else is bidding on the property. How do we respond if there are people who have spoken loudly in opposition who stand to gain by the sale to other parties?"
 
And I would offer this as the answer to that question: "You should respond probably the same way you would to the people who have spoken loudly in support who stand to gain by the sale to the Town. I mean, self-interest is self-interest, right?"
11:51 am est 

Re: Town Meeting

My thanks to Mark Del Franco and to David Garten for their well thought out and supported arguments against Harbor Hill. 

Facts and logic, not emotion.
11:47 am est 

Re: Town Meeting

Never saw the BOS work so hard for housing for waiters and chambermaid as they have for their middle class friends! If anyone thinks this kind of full court press couldn't have happened if the will was there.
11:46 am est 

Monday, February 6, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill - Ignorance and Bad Manners

Gimme a break!!
All of the town staff are paid and they can find housing, they just may have to travel a bit to find a home or apartment they can afford. There is nothing that says they MUST live in the community. If there is such a requirement, like with the town manager, DPW director or maybe the police(?), then yes, perhaps they would live in a dedicated unit or home in the town that the town owns and when they leave their positions, they must leave and the new person in that position moves in, like a mayors mansion or the White House. But do we really want someone to move in, like a selectmen, and have that person then not run again or resign once in, never expecting that person to leave? Do we want people to retire to these places and produce nothing in return for the town?

No to government supported housing  and no to Harbor Hill. Just plain stupid.
2:20 pm est 

Kudos to Mark Del Franco

That's one for the books!

The people that live here, own homes and pay taxes shouldn't be allowed to vote on what effects their town, taxes and lives. The author of that statement is in serious need of a mental evaluation. What middle or middle to low income person or people are going to be able to afford to live there. As of yet there has been NO indication of who will be living there or what the criteria will be just to apply for these units.
 
No sir it's people like you that shouldn't be allowed to vote because you obviously are lacking the means to see what you are supporting. Although I do not personally like Mr. Del Franco, I think it takes balls to speak out against something that you know is wrong no matter what people think or the consequences, kudos to him.

2:18 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Ignorance and Bad Manners

"and the people of Provincetown will be proud to again take the lead in Massachusetts and the country for help!" 
 
so much ignorance and bad grammar...you have got to be kidding with your conclusion.


2:12 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Ignorance and Bad Manners

I don't think I have ever seen so much ignorance and bad manners as I read on this blog. The Harbor Hill opportunity is the best thing that has happened to Provincetown this century. Rather than developing 26 units for more wealthy transient visitors, we are developing 26 units for people who make the town work. People who have written against it, you may want to take note, already have homes here and shouldn't even be able to vote. It is hard to hear the FINCOM 3 members who voted against housing for local residents and workers. Mark Del Franco is the most boring and ridiculous of all of the fincom votes against. He is another big mouth who actually thinks he knows something, an elitist. Everyone knows that and doesn't hear what he says. My prediction, in spite of all of the mouths flapping against this for selfish reasons,the vote will be FOR Harbor Hill, and the people of Provincetown will be proud to again take the lead in Massachusetts and the country for helping alleviate the lack of housing for it's inhabitents. Thank you to our town staff and BOS.

11:16 am est 

Sunday, February 5, 2017

David Garten - Harbor Hill

 

Why I’m Voting Against Harbor Hill 

As a long time housing advocate I was thrilled that the town, the BOS, and the YRRHT have pursued an interest in Harbor Hill. I too was eager for us to explore the purchase in hopes that this could be part of the answer to our housing issues here in town. 

After doing my due diligence I have decided that Harbor Hill is not the right opportunity at this time for the town to pursue. Yes, we having a housing crisis, in particular the need for year round rental housing for those who work in town, have children who attend our schools, and want to stay vibrant members of our community. 

Although Harbor Hill does present an opportunity, the risk associated with acquiring this property as proposed it too much for the town to take on and could sink the YRRHT out of the gate. 

An initial walk through the property is all that is needed to see that the property needs a significant investment to get the units to a point where we know our neighbors and their families would feel safe, comfortable, and make their home for the foreseeable future for. 

Due to the age of the development as well as the quality of construction and other choices made related to its initial intended use( time share housing vs year round) it is clear that the roofs, siding, and walkways are in need of replacement and repair. 

The electric heat should be replaced and insulation needs to be added to each of the units in order to make the development comfortable and economical for year round occupancy. 

Additionally, appliances and plumbing fixtures would need to be evaluated to see which should be replaced. Also a full evaluation of the septic would see if that needs repairs or replacement. 

As a matter of course before allowing new tenants to move into the building after sitting idle and having not been properly managed and maintained all of the carpeting should be replaced and all of the units should be repainted. 

And has been mentioned 26 units would offer a significant increase in units available. But the size of this project is exactly why I'm voting no. 

Although a larger property can offer economies of scale on a management and operational level it also magnifies any initial investment in order to get the property up and running. A $10,000 investment per unit multiplied by 26 units turns into $260,000. 

Given the list of more than likely improvements required for this property the amount of investment per unit including extensive exterior work could easily be in excess of $80,000/unit or more than $2Million. 

Also, the exit strategy in case the development got into trouble is flawed. The plan is to sell off some of the units if there are issues. The individual units would have to be sold for cash they could not be financed with conventional. Bank financing is difficult and more expensive in developments with less than 70% owner occupancy and impossible when ownership of 50% or more of the units are owned by one entity. 

I am in support of increasing housing opportunities here in town and I am in support of the YRRHT finding solutions. I am however not in favor of this risky proposition. I fully support the YRRHT pursing other opportunities and was in favor of looking into the Harbor Hill acquisition, but realize it is not the right opportunity given the inherent risks.

11:44 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Erik Yingling

Even though he recused himself, Yingling seems to be actively advocating for Harbor Hill.

Sure is going to look funny when he's first in line for a water view up there.
6:03 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill - No Free Lunch

The people who keep saying our taxes won't go up, conveniently overlook the taxes that are currently owed on that property as long as it is privately owned.  If the town buys it, those taxes have to be made up by the remaining taxpayers.

That adds to the effective subsidy we will be giving to those making between $50k and $100k who would live there.  How many year-rounders make less than $50k?  Not a small number, retirees included.

No free lunch.
5:50 pm est 

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

"[Trump] owns stock in Stop & Shop....No more Stop & Shop... I'll be happy to return to the Trump/related places when they disconnect themselves from "Trumpo the Clown".

Stop and Shop is wholly owned by an international conglomerate whose shares are sold on the over-the-counter stock market here in USA under ticker symbol ADRNY.  You do understand that stock markets are freely open to all, and thus Stop and Shop has zero ways to "disconnect themselves" from any shareholder, such as our current President.

You live in the world's most successful large capitalist country.  Time to learn a few simple truths about how it works.  But go ahead and boycott whoever you want.
5:47 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill

Raphael Richter is making phone calls reminding people about the Monday Town Meeting.  That's OK in itself BUT he is also asking how you are going to vote! This is so wrong.
5:46 pm est 

Re: Yes to HousingTrust , No to Harbor Hill!

"RR has better things to do than respond to every insane thing Gordon gets wrong." 

Like what?
12:00 pm est 

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!
 
"Some food for thought. 
 
 
I found that they own stock in Stop & Shop, Kmart, Walmart and Sears. My question now is if all of you are going to boycott them too or are only going to spout off about boycotting products that you never would buy..."
 
Thanks for your painstaking research, and letting us know about all those merchants. I already was boycotting WalnRt for several years. Ditto for Amazon. Kmart and Sears are now in my boycot list. Thanks to your alert, no more Stop & Shop - U'll wait for when I go to Shaw's in Orleans, and use Farland, 141 Market and East End Market. By boycotting S & S and other Busunesses that are connected to Trump, local businesses benefit from the dollars I spend. It's s a win-win!m I'll be happy to return to the Trump/related places when they disconnect themselves from "Trumpo the Clown".
 
11:52 am est 

Re: Yes to HousingTrust , No to Harbor Hill!

"Over 24 hours later and rr still can't specify which facts Gordon got wrong.."

RR has better things to do than respond to every insane thing Gordon gets wrong.
11:50 am est 

Re: No To Trump Childish ?

So you agree with trump? DANGEROUS!!!!!
 
10:39 am est 

What About The Super Bowl?

What about it? Go Falcons! hated the Pats before the connections with Trump.
10:38 am est 

Harbor Hill Vote
 
Inform us Please state here on Tuesday after the vote if the vote was yes or no on spending $12,500,000.00 to buy harbor Hill
10:37 am est 

Re: Yes to HousingTrust , No to Harbor Hill!

"Over 24 hours later and rr still can't specify which facts Gordon got wrong.."

Raphael Richter Reader beware: Gordon presents at least three completely wrong facts above. In general, his statements are generally laced with fake or misleading information. Make sure you get the correct information before making your decision
Like · 2 · Yesterday at 9:42am
Gordon J Siegel
Gordon J Siegel Specifically?
Like · Yesterday at 9:43am
10:31 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

Funny thing is


Yeah nothing funny about it... but I agree with who will live at hh.. gay, white men with new businesses and connections.
10:29 am est 

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

"I bought some beautiful clothes & accessories a few years ago that had Ivanka Trump labels before I ever knew who she was thinking what a classy,affordable designer! I intend to enjoy her products & design ability & would buy more if they appealed to me again!"

To the above poster.  My advice to you has nothing to do with purchasing decisions being consistent with ones's moral convictions and ethics.

It is about your safety. 
I realize you are very happy with your cute and cheap Ivanka Trump garments.
However, you should know that some of Ivanka Trump's garments were recalled several months ago recalled for being highly flammable, and not meeting American safety standards.
Google "Ivanka Trump recall", and you'll get more information on this subject.
I know someone who bought some of her things.
While ironing one of them, the material started burning, even though she claims that the iron was at a normal setting.
After reading about the recall online, she went to TJ Maxx, where she bought it, showed them the burned garments, and asked for her money back because of the recall.
She did get her money back.
10:27 am est 

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

Some food for thought.

After some painstaking research into exactly what the Trump family has for holdings, I found that they own stock in Stop & Shop, Kmart, Walmart and Sears. My question now is if all of you are going to boycott them too or are only going to spout off about boycotting products that you never would buy from places you never go to shop just to hurt our President and his family?
10:24 am est 

Saturday, February 4, 2017

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - Ivanka Trumps Products!

So someone wants to Boycott T.J.Maxx & Marshals because they're selling Ivanka Trumps Products! HOW CHILDISH! If you want to,you can,I'm not! I bought some beautiful clothes & accessories a few years ago that had Ivanka Trump labels before I ever knew who she was thinking what a classy,affordable designer! I intend to enjoy her products & design ability & would buy more if they appealed to me again! SORRY!
8:04 pm est 

Re: BOS Fiasco - We Deserve Better!

None of it has been thought through -very problematic and typical
 
8:02 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! No Critical Analysis

Funny thing is, there is now a group of (mostly wealthy) people trying to get folks on board with their big plan to get the town to buy Harbor Hill under the guise of "concern" about housing for Provincetown residents who are being pushed out by the never ending gentrification of the town. Truth is, if it happens, these units will be priced way out of financial range for most townies. So yeah, good luck getting poor locals to help you purchase condos for the upper middle class. It'll be interesting to see who ends up living in these units. My guess: The wealthy and well connected.
8:00 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Occupancy Question - Answered

For the clarification of one of our Board Of Selectmen who seemed dumfounded by the occupancy question pertaining to Harbor Hill, he simply needed to check with the Health Agent who provides rental certificates that one bedroom occupancy is limited to 2 persons, 2 bedrooms to 4 persons, 3 bedrooms t0 6 persons, and so on.

Any further limitation on rental per bedroom would be the decision of the Housing Trust>
7:59 pm est 

Re: BOS Fiasco - We Deserve Better!

"How did we end up with such an inept group? We deserve better."


You voted them in, that's how...
7:56 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

FINALLY!!! Someone else sees through the "exit strategy"! It's a minefield to anyone that knows anything about condo/timeshare laws. Not to mention the zoning issues, septic issues and more that would crop up if the land needs to be subdivided so that one of the buildings could be sold off. Totally agree that this has not been thought through at all!
7:55 pm est 

Re: "No"! To Trump Merchandise - There's an App.

To those who posted about boycotting businesses that carry the Trump merchandise, there's an app you can download: Boycotting Trump. It works on iPhones and Android mobile devices.
7:49 pm est 

What About The Super Bowl?

Since there is a strong connection between Brady, Kraft, Belechek (sp?) and Donald Trump, how about boycotting the super bowl as well as stores that sell Trump merchandise!
7:46 pm est 

No! To CVS

The CVS Is Coming!!

While distracted by Harbor Hill, the CVS is soon approaching a decision that could have this chain here and with CVS will come another national chain and then another. If the CVS is allowed to be here, then we will not be able to stop Wendy's, Dunkin Donuts, TJMaxx, Walmart or others from moving in along commercial Street. We will become a street mall, selling what all other towns in America sell. We will lose our uniqueness, charm and sense of ourselves as a small town.

Attend the Planning board meeting: 6 o'clock on Thursday, February 9th. come and speak. Let your voice be heard. so much is at stake.
7:45 pm est 

Re: "No"! to Trump Merchandise

To those who posted about boycotting businesses that carry the Trump merchandise, there's an app you can download: Boycotting Trump. It works on iPhones and Android mobile devices.
10:14 am est 

BOS Fiasco - We Deserve Better!

The biggest problem I have with the BOS right now is their inability to get anything done. Constantly focusing all of their energy on housing and ignoring the basic services that taxpayers in this town deserve. Fix the streets, expand the sewer system, do something about the police station, the DPW facility is a mess. How did we end up with such an inept group? We deserve better.
10:13 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

Does anyone know where I can find the vote taken by the finance committee re: Harbor Hill. They have not published any minutes for 2017.
10:11 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

RUSH TO BUY IF FOOL HARDY The Powers that Be have no thoughtful, well considered plan that covers every contingency that needs to be considered and addressed regarding such a MONUMENTAL PURCHASE like Harbor Hill. To saddle the electorate with this debt and this financial burden without any understanding of all of the unintended consequences means that we must vote NO. The number of tenants, the logistics or rental, the fantasy that the police and firemen etc will rush to inhabit these walls--all pipe dreams Let the rich folks of Provincetown put their money together to buy it..not all of us taxpayers to carry this on our backs. Just look at the Cape End Manor and that financial sink hole and look at Harbor Hill with the same eyes. Don't be fooled, taxpayers..don't be fooled.
 
10:10 am est 

Harbor Hill

The selectman made the comment about occupancy at the town forum. It can be viewed on PTV.
10:08 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

The stated exit strategy at Harbor Hill is to sell of one or more "units", buildings or potentially the entire place. With respect to selling off "units" or a building or two, I'm still waiting for a real estate lawyer to weigh in with the myriad issues presented by that scenario. A real estate broker may also have some knowledge of what's at stake in that scenario, too, but it's really a real estate lawyer that will understand all the potential problems presented. This exit strategy HAS NOT been thought through!
10:06 am est 

Friday, February 3, 2017

It Is Not All About You!

Looks Like the White Male Vote

No women. Men and more men. and then white men.

Such diversity when it comes to Harbor hill. I am disgusted by the focus and the lack of diversity. And then the Housing Trust itself: all white males. Please--we have had enough of this decades back. Nothing much seems to have changed.

It is not all about you!
8:10 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! -Donagan and Yingling

Selectman Donegan said last week that he doesn't care how many people live in each unit at Harbor Hill... who did he say this too? the board? or at the 'info' meeting? he should resign from that board and the BOS..not my selectman
 
8:05 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! -Donagan and Yingling

Harbor Hill, with all the deception and mis-information coming from Town Hall that comes with it,  is going to put a lot of us in the poor house ...oops, our genius BOS gave the poor house away.  Thanks a lot, guys.
8:03 pm est 

Re: No to Trump Merchandise

I agree.  Any merchant that has chosen to carry any of the Trump's family merchandise will never get my $ until such merchandise can S removed, and this includes Amazon.
1:08 pm est 

Re: Yes to HousingTrust , No to Harbor Hill!
 
"The asking price is $10.7. You can't even read correctly."
 
Okay. 12.5 + 1.5 =
A. 14
B. 10.8
C. It doesn't matter because it's only the beginning. 
12:37 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! No Critical Analysis

Is this property currently hooked to the sewer system? On the purchase, will the septic system need to inspected like I had to when I sold my property, ending in a costly septic repair? Do we even know where the septic system is and what condition it's in?
12:26 pm est 

RE: Yes to HousingTrust , No to Harbor Hill!

The asking price is $10.7. You can't even read correctly.
The fire chief supports HH.
But please, let's talk more about the pet policy.
12:24 pm est 

Re: No to Trump Merchandise

Thanks for letting me know about TJ Maxx and Marshall's.

'I'm now boycotting them both.
12:23 pm est 

Re: No to Trump Merchandise
 
"TJ Maxx and Marshall's carry Trump merchandise."
 
Boycott the store not the just the merchandise
 
12:20 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! -Donagan and Yingling

 

Selectman Donegan said last week that he doesn't care how many people live in each unit at Harbor Hill. This is a very negligent attitude. If I were to rent one of those units I would expect rules of respect to be followed. I would not want to live in a public housing where anything goes. This is not management and to announce this before the project is established forebodes a disaster.

12:19 pm est 

No to Trump Merchandise

TJ Maxx and Marshall's carry Trump merchandise.

Have chosen to not make the Trump family richer, even if by a few pennies. 

10:16 am est 

Yes to HousingTrust , No to Harbor Hill!

I can buy a better assortment of 26 units in Provincetown.  Better locations.  Better conditions.  All move in ready. The asking price total for all units is 12.5 million.  There are other options.   5 years ago Provincetown was on the State Financial watch list.  We don't need to sink all our money in a timeshare mold pit.  What does the fire chief think about hh?  Sprinklers?   Remember that horrible Maushape fire.  And please remember, this trust is the first of its kind and brand new. Still sorting out details.  Taxpayer funded with 1.5 million dollars. Our "reserve fund" The BOS advocated a small project to start.  Harbor Hill is no small project.  And to sort out details later?   We are spending 12.5 + 1.5 = 14 million.   That's almost the amount for the Pier renovation or phase one of the sewer.   Spend it wrong now and there is no second chance.  Please look at history and don't be doomed to repeat it.  Buy smaller properties now.  Yes to the trust, no to Harbor Hill. 
 
Thank you,
 
Gordon Siegel
9:43 am est 

Re: Comment
 

"Just because you can't control your little puppies anymore, Clarence, doesn't mean you always need to question the motives of Tom D & Erik Y."  
 
Don't blame Clarence for everyone else realizing that most of us have seen enough of Yingling and Donagan. He's posting what all of us are feeling. They have cost us taxpayers enough money for all their underhanded politics and in the end, are we any better off??
 
9:37 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! -Donagan and Yingling

I'm reading the article in the Banner today and I AM BAFFLED!!??

How is it that Panagore can make the claim that this $12 million purchase will not require any property tax increase. What?? How does he plan on paying for it? Long term with the rent money? And no tax dollars coming in to the town from this property so guess what, the ret of us WILL have an increase to our taxes to offset the loss!!And when legitimate questions were asked, Donegan says things like it doesn't matter how many people live in the units or the rules have not been solidified yet because they're actually rushing to get this before the public!! This is a bad idea and it's obviously not something that is ready to go forward. Not enough information, not enough money, not enough answers, not enough time and not enough need.

Say no to this idea. Very bad for the town.
9:36 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! No Critical Analysis

Has anyone done anything more than a cursory inspection of the construction quality and condition at Harbor Hill? These buildings were not built to the highest standards, to say the least. Workers on the project often left before finishing and others replaced them, the only oversight was on spending and the objective was to spend the least possible. At least one building was routinely drained in winter because the construction was so poor that the pipes would freeze when the wind blew. Bear in mind that these were built to make a quick return and get out which is what the developer did. Smart guy, built on the cheap, sold 51 weeks per unit, made a huge profit and got out. To make these units properly fitted for year round, full time living the next owner will have to do some serious and costly upgrades. Can the Town commit the required capital? Does the Town even have a clear sense of the capital outlay that will be required?
9:33 am est 

Thursday, February 2, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

All in favor of helping people but this Harbor Hill project is a nightmare! Ask our fire and rescue people about access to the units - it's awfull. Our leadership can't maintain the town buildings that we have now. This will also be a legal and expensive nightmare. Good luck - most of our best have already moved up Cape.
9:24 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! -Donagan and Yingling

I would have a lot more trust in the trust if,  Donegan was nowhere near it and the board was not newly formed. I am aware of the circumstances surrounding the boards late formation but that doesn't change the fact that its a new board faced with a complicated issue. Also, for all intents and purposes the board should include an at large member that has had to leave town because of lack of housing, it lends an important and often unheard perspective.
7:49 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! -Donagan and Yingling

They are Fighting and Working for themselves!  Harbor Hill is Town Hall's New Home

Let the people pay. town employees---Panagore, Yingling, Richter, McPherson--are first in line. They are working a deal for their own housing. Donegan can sell his place--is the Weiner guy still around?--and then move in-- a better view; a better house.

We can't be this stupid, can we? Pay higher taxes for their luxury housing condos?
6:42 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

Harbor Hill

Well, I guess we'll see whether Town Meeting and then the ballot box gives them the money.

I love the idea of more middle-income housing, but this is a rushed plan with so much uncertainty that it would be insane and inane to approve it.  Since this is Provincetown, that probably means it's going to happen.

No new taxes for this.  Ha.  But wait until they want their $10 million for the new police station and their millions to develop the VFW.  Snake oil salesmen.  All of them.
6:39 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! -Donagan and Yingling

Maybe Erik Yingling is Recusing Himself

so he can live there when the deal goes through. He can have the biggest place and he won't be accused of a conflict of interest.

You should give the reason for any recusal.
11:55 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

OVER 12 MILLION DOLLARS-$12,500,000.00 FOR HOUSING

The powers that be want us taxpayers to start out paying over twelve million dollars for people to be able to live here.

Is that why Selectman Yingling recused himself? If the town people want to spend their tax dollars this way, that is fine. We all have choices to make.

I'm not a rich new arrival, but someone who has lived and worked here for decades and I can't afford to own my own house anymore.

Yet I will be forced to subsidize others. I'm not a trust fund baby or make a high income on the main land and have a second home here. May wise minds prevail when Harbor Hill comes up for a vote.
9:55 am est 

Government Checkup

ON SITE VISITS TO CHECK ON EMPLOYEES

The Trump administration is now going to investigate all businesses that employ foreign workers to make sure that they are documented.

Where I work, that means that several of them will have to be fired. What about the rest of the workers in town, the workers who can't return to where they live because they may not be able to return here.

The town is inundated with these workers. You better start hiring college students or documented workers.
 

9:54 am est 

Harbor Hill Screw up

The town screwed up the sale and repurchase of the units in the Grace Gouvina building. Can't wait to see the screw up with the Harbor Hill bankruptcy with how many hundreds of time share owners lining up to sue anyone and everyone in their way.
9:52 am est 

Harbor Hill

Just thinking,

   We buy Harbor Hill. Previous owners file law suit. Town lawyers and theirs start a long process of delay. We pay huge costs of  Lawyers . Eventually the Town settles to get project moving. Could this happen???? You better believe it.
8:51 am est 

Wednesday, February 1, 2017

A Comment

Just because you can't control your little puppies anymore, Clarence, doesn't mean you always need to question the motives of Tom D & Erik Y. Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they are corrupt.
 
3:15 pm est 

Town Talk - Richter

Town Talk more like town no talk!! And Richter interested in facts now? Just laughable
11:09 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Town Planner? - That Fool?

Town planner can't oversee removing plastic barriers from 7-11
 
10:16 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Town Planner? - That Fool? Just Look at 350 Bradford Street
 
"The town planner has overseen eminent domain in Provincetown? Citation please. And by mentioning that fool, you've totally blown any credibility."
 
 
If You Want to See the Town Planner's successful work

then look at the pit hole at 350 Bradford. That is all her doing.

No trees. All gone. Destruction of the dune. Loose foundations for neighboring properties. and an unwelcoming space as people enter Provincetown.

A place of destruction so that developers can make a profit. she is a friend of any and all developers and not a friend of the town or its uniqueness or its small town character.

Check that orange bag she carries. You'll be surprised what's in there!
10:11 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! -Donagan and Yingling

Don't you all find it very interesting that things have come full circle. Donagan and Yingling are actually the ones that need to be removed much like the tactics they used on the old Town Manager and Police Chief. With the only exception is that when they are run out of town for their behavior, they won't be pocketing a boat load of money like the former Chief. Just another reason to look back and question their integrity and leadership. Over all, a simple lack of common sense to know when to cut your losses while you can rather than costing us taxpayers money.
9:12 am est 


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