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  Mark Silva: A Rich Goodby

The church was packed. There was even a long line to enter St. Peter's. There were people sitting along the side pews. All the pews were filled.

We were there to attest to your legacy, to what you gave to this town and to all of us. You brought the energy for the Portuguese Festival and revived it. You brought the energy for the Regatta and revived this wonderful celebration. You gave of yourself, of your time and of your vision.

The town was there to bid you farewell and to thank you for everything that you have done for us. And you did it with humor, joy and a sense of much celebration. You knew how to throw a party and taught the town to do it too!

You were unique and you will be missed. But you would not leave without our thanks and without a party at the Red Inn. We were there with tears and we were there with much laughter and gratefulness for you.

Adieu, Mark! May the angels carry you on holy wings into eternal peace and celebration!

 

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Tuesday, January 31, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill

Several of the developers who were initially interested have dropped out after getting legal advice.  Many of the people who lost their timeshares are organizing and suing to get their properties back.  This could be tied up in the courts for a long time.
11:24 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Town Planner? - That Fool?

"Yes. Yes. The town planner has overseen the process, successfully, before."


The town planner has overseen eminent domain in Provincetown? Citation please. And by mentioning that fool, you've totally blown any credibility.

Judging from the lame/rote responses to all posts critical of HH and other pro BOS projects, it's apparent you're either Hatch (Dead Dear) or someone close to the situation. Not Vince though. He can't stop using the caps key.

You're not going to Trump us, regardless. Too many people are wide awake and watching. And I'm not a developer either. 
10:05 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill

Just curious is there a rental cash flow analysis with the percentage of vacancy and credit losses and what is the capitalization rate?

10:04 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! Call It Schitt'$ Creek!

"And no, I'm not a developer."

Ok, which developer are you representing, then? Nice try. James? Chris?
10:01 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! Call It Schitt'$ Creek!

Someone has to make up the annual property taxes that won't be paid if this property is bought by the town.  Who do you think that would be?

They say if you are playing poker, and you don't know who the sucker at the table is, it's you.

Another reason to vote no.
9:18 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill is a Sink Hole...
 
And all our monies will fall into this pit. Tax monies, overrides, CPC funds and that is only for now---this is stupid at best and not thought-out at worse. A rather dumb deal.
9:00 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! Call It Schitt'$ Creek!

It has to said that if you're thinking the town ownership of Harbor Hill is a good idea, you're either a moron who is unaware of all the previous real estate dealings and fiascos this and previous BOS have committed us to, or you're terribly naive. It's the definition of insanity to think this time things would work out in the towns' favor. Do you not remember the Manor? Or the Recreation Center? Or the town's management of MacMillan Pier? Or the Heritage Museum? Or the VFW property? In fact, name me one example of a successful project dealing with real estate where the BOS was involved.
And as far as "not costing taxpayers any money", what a friggin' scam! All the supplemental taxes on things previously mentioned (marijuana, AirBnB, etc.) would be taken away from other uses and we, the taxpayers, get stuck with having to pay for the things those taxes should have paid for.
And thank god that developers where able to buy that other "once in a lifetime opportunity", Fisherman's Wharf! And I want to reiterate that: A DEVELOPER BOUGHT IT! Someone who knew what they were doing. Someone with experience. Someone who is adding value to the town, along with employee housing and more public use. And a developer should buy Harbor Hill. Someone with experience. Someone who knows what they're doing. Someone who will add value to the town by complying with all restrictions that are placed on them to set aside a certain number of units for town housing needs, and BY PAYING TAXES, that will fund other housing needs!

And no, I'm not a developer. I'm a taxpayer who is very tired of seeing my hard earned tax dollars get squandered over and over again by incompetent leaders who are in over their depth and think that because they have an idea, we should all blindly follow them over the cliff.

The BOS can't even put the pieces together to get a new police station built when they already have all the pieces. What a joke you are!
8:57 pm est 

Re: Habor Hill - Proponents v Opponents 

"Where are you getting your information?"

By looking at the names of the people who are writing posts against it, and looking at the people who spoke out against it at the forum, and talking to people face to face.
8:52 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

"According to at least one trained home inspector who has intimate knowledge of the property, Harbor Hill will require at least a half a million dollars worth of repairs, upgrades, maintenance within the next ten years.  The bozo BOS has not budgeted for this."

Yes, they have. I guess you can't sit still and listen to an hour long presentation or read a spreadsheet. Read the           presentation. Who's the bozo?
8:50 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Town Planner?

"Eminent domain? Think it can be justified? And that the Town bumblers can snap their fingers and get it to happen overnight?"

Yes. Yes. The town planner has overseen the process, successfully, before.
8:46 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

According to at least one trained home inspector who has intimate knowledge of the property, Harbor Hill will require at least a half a million dollars worth of repairs, upgrades, maintenance within the next ten years.  The bozo BOS has not budgeted for this.  How do you think this will be paid for?   These gigantic expenses will land on the backs of the hard working people of Provincetown.  
6:37 pm est 

Harbor Hill

"Answer me this: Why would any developer be so stupid to bid on this project when the town can just use eminent domain to take it away from him/her the day after the auction?"

Eminent domain? Think it can be justified? And that the Town bumblers can snap their fingers and get it to happen overnight?

Scare tactic fail.
6:35 pm est 

Re: Habor Hill - Proponents v Opponents 

"It's telling that the loudest voices against Harbor Hill are real estate developers, real estate agents, and those representing real estate interests."

Pure bull crap. I know plenty of non-real estate townfolk against HH. Where are you getting your information?
6:08 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Takes All of the Oxygen Out of the Room

"If, for some reason, some unforeseen costs sink the project, the trust sells the property in five years and makes money to buy more properties. No brainer."
 
If, for some unforeseen costs (failed septic, natural disaster, etc) sink the project, YOU WILL be on the hook if the trust can't sell it. No brains.
6:05 pm est 

Re: Raphael Richter: Your Taxes Will Not Go Up!  

Taxes and Harbor Hill have not been paid in the amount of $100k to $200k over the past 2-4 years. If the Trust buys Harbor Hill we will probably not ever get that money. HH now should be paying around $50k per year i real estate taxes. That will be also lost. If a developer rehabs and sells the 26 units this  This would add conservatively $125k per year in real estate taxes. Harbor Hill will effect our real estate taxes.
6:03 pm est 

Re: Raphael Richter: Your Taxes Will Not Go Up!  

If you say tax money will not go into Harbor Hill, you did not get the handout at last weeks meeting. Again tax money from marijuana, airb'n'b, and the land bank money (no more money for land) will go to this project. So all that money is not going to anything else.
3:53 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Community Center

"Hatch community center Provincetown Community Center lease goes to art, business center"

Tuesday
Posted Jan 24, 2017 at 8:47 PM Updated Jan 24, 2017 at 8:48 PM
By K.C. Myers

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PROVINCETOWN - Selectmen have agreed to lease the former Provincetown Community Center to a nonprofit group that will convert the building into art studio and small business work spaces.
Pending the final lease agreement, the vacant, run-down community center will become Creative Commons, a "nexus" for art collaboration, and "new economic opportunities for creative people," according to the Commons' mission statement.
A selection committee reviewed two requests for proposals for the community center. They chose the arts organization over a proposal to turn the building into dormitory housing with 78 beds for seasonal employees. Selectmen approved the committee's recommendation, with Selectman Erik Yingling recusing himself for personal reasons, on Monday night.
Yingling declined to specify why he recused himself.
2:22 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Takes All of the Oxygen Out of the Room

"If Harbor Hill passes our taxes will go way up when the project requires more funds and when other projects are proposed. In other words If all our tax money goes into this project new taxes for other projects will definitely be required."

Harbor Hill will have no impact on your taxes. None of your tax money will go into it. If, for some reason, some unforeseen costs sink the project, the trust sells the property in five years and makes money to buy more properties. No brainer.
1:29 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust & Community Center- BOS Fiasco!

Community Center Did I miss something? When did the community center get sold to Hatch? And when did he get $160,000 from the towns CPA monies to fix it up??
 
1:27 pm est 

Re: CVS Should Not be Here

Oh, so right

A Place Like any Other!  Strikes me as so important. This we do not need. We have something so unique here and allowing chains to come in and then hurt local businesses and then turn this town into cookie-cutter businesses will be disastrous.

This should not be allowed. This has disastrous consequences for our town. Commercial Street will have a McDonald's, a Dunkin donuts will be at Lopes Square. Then a Taco Bell on Bradford. How disheartening this would be.

All this must be stopped by stopping the CVS. It will also destroy Outer Cape Health Pharmacy and since it is important in keeping Outer Cape Health here, we will be in danger of losing both the pharmacy and then dwindling services at Outer Cape.

The consequences are terrible. We cannot be, as someone said, a place like all others!

1:26 pm est 

CVS Should Not be Here

If CVS is allowed to use the Riley's t-shirt property, then it will be the Trojan horse that allows Dunkin Donuts, Macdonald's, Walgreen's, TJ Max, and another chain interested in being in a resort town. then we will all suffer as they kill our local businesses, kill off local competition and turn this town into a mall. Provincetown will look like any other place and will offer the same homogenized offerings that anyone can purchase in any other place.
We can call us: A Place that [like] Any Other Place.

Attend the Planning Board meeting on February 9th and attend the Zoning board meeting whenever it is scheduled.

We do not need to be: a Place Like Any Other Place!!
11:40 am est 

Harbor Hill Takes All of the Oxygen Out of the Room

If Harbor Hill passes our taxes will go way up when the project requires more funds and when other projects are proposed. In other words If all our tax money goes into this project new taxes for other projects will definitely be required.
11:37 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

Real estate interests the only one benefitting are the real estate brokers, the one's who will manage the housing the he selectmen who expect to get an unit. this is another boondoggle and the present BOS cannot be trusted to handle this. Vote NO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
10:43 am est 

Raphael Richter:
 
"your tax bill will not increase with this project. If this pact ever cannot be met in the future, units or the entire project can be sold off."  
10:40 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

A simple question; Can anyone cite one example of why we should trust Donegan, Yingling or this Town Manager? If you think for one second that Harbor Hill is a good or wise investment for this town, you're crazy. The town has a hard time managing it's own affairs and buildings and now they think the can manage a complex that is in completely in need of repair before we even place one person inside? I vote NO
 
9:19 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust & Community Center- BOS Fiasco!

I think it is pretty sad when the town government isn't listening to anything the voters are saying. The town manager x lawyer is forcing his way on anyone who disagrees with him. He leased the community center to his pal and good chum non other than the Finance Committe Chair Mark Hatch. What's bothersome is how the town voted to sell this building for housing funds and he used his lawyer skills to back door this transaction. Now Creative Commons AKA Mark Hatch is getting 160 thousand dollars of our town preservation funds to fix up their new play center.. I have no doubt, that if the cummnunity center was brought back to the voters with this tranasaction would have never passed. They know this and that's why it wasn't brought back to the voters.
In closing,  my trust is completely lost not only by the town manager but the selectmen that let this happen. I would never consider Harbor Hill as I believe it will be more of the same, closed door meetings with a lot of backdoor politics, it will continue to happen only now at the expense of 10 plus million dollars of yes the taxpayers . I think the town should take a breath and work out past problems before moving on to this bad idea of a project known as Harbor Hill. I have been in these units and they should be taken back to the studs and remove the mold, and then rebuild them. Otherwise we are going to have a wave of sick people due to mold spores. That live behind freshly painted walls.   Future liability for the town.
Thanks for listening :-)
9:16 am est 

Harbor Hill

Answer me this: Why would any developer be so stupid to bid on this project when the town can just use eminent domain to take it away from him/her the day after the auction? Why waste your time?
9:14 am est 

Re: Habor Hill - Proponents v Opponents 

It's telling that the loudest voices against Harbor Hill are real estate developers, real estate agents, and those representing real estate interests. They are not explaining who they are or where their interests are before commenting online, commenting at public forums, and making claims about the deal. It's shameful and very indicative of why this town has gotten to where it is now. Either you're on the side of real estate developers and agents or you're on the side of the people living here in town. Pick your poison.

9:13 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

Eric Yingling and Tom Donegan have become unhinged with this Harbor Hill proposal. Pulling out all the Jeff Jaran stops with coffee talks, private Facebook messages and a Stop and Shop campaign style pledge push. Imagine if this much energy were devoted to taking care of what the town already owns. I wonder if some of the most vocal social media proponents are friends of Vincent Currier, also looking to live off the dole.
9:10 am est 

Town Talk - Town Manager

Over on Town Talk, when the Town Manager doesn't like the Post, he doesn't post it.  When the questions get too hard or the facts too real, he stops comments.  He is certainly not a fan of the first amendment.  What a tremendous shame for our Community.  We don't need a Town Manager acting like Trump.

9:09 am est 

Monday, January 30, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! Call It Schitt'$ Creek!

Beware town voters, the Board of Selectmen and Town Manager's intimidation strategy is to outbid every single bidder with their $12.5M bid.

The goal is to publicly dissuade any private developers to bid and pay such an astronomical price which defies market value.

The Board of Selectmen will scarce all private bidders with this astronomical bid (twice the assessed value which is unheard of in any recent private sale), aided and abetted by the scarce tactic that the town will most likely include a scarce tactic n its bid that Zoning Bylaw, Section 4170, will be invoked requiring a minimum of 20% of the units be converted to affordable housing, since Harbor Hill was assessed as a commercial (not residential) property since its inception since it was zoned and operated a time share with transient occupancy.

However, the town failed to license Harbor Hilland collect room occupancy since its inception.

Doesn't this significant town failure, costing the town millions of dollars since 1987 instill great confidence in our current Board of Selectmen?

Another reason to VOTE NO ON HARBOR HILL.
10:28 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! Call It Schitt'$ Creek!

Does anybody really believe the Town won't be outbid for HH? A competent developer with deep pockets could create luxury condos and turn a significant profit. All this bluster is a waste. The Town, hamstrung by lack of true funding, could be undercut by $5000. Not like it stops Town officials strutting around like big shots, yeah, they're going to cut a deal, man. Fools to the core.  
6:19 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

Please, just asking...Is it appropriate for a selectman to privately greet voters and offer food and drink to discuss this controversial Harbor Hill issue? I really do not know the answer and think this is just odd enough to be questioned.
5:09 pm est 

Re: What Crisis?

"IF THAT ISN'T A CRISIS, WHAT IS?!"
 
Stop with the caps vince
 
5:07 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

The Emperor Has No Clothes

and that is what people are seeing about harbor hill---oh, the words and phrases by town officials--how perfect, how great, what a deal!  but the emperor has no clothes. it is pure dribble. it is a terrible deal that never, ever should have even come up for discussion.
4:15 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

You are correct Harbor Hill is not affordable housing. It is supposed to be market rate but the Housing Trust is the body whose job is to buy units for market rate rentals. If the Housing Trust spends $12.5 million and needs tax money and land bank money and special assessments from the town there is not going to be any more investing in affordable or anything else in the future 30 years and beyond.
4:13 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

"Do you think it would be less expensive to build 26 units from the ground up?"
 
I guess a call to Ted Malone would be in order. I'm no contractor but my guess would be yes, 26 units of affordable housing would be built with less than $12.5 million dollars. Simple math says almost $500K each to build them?? And they would be new, not twenty years old and falling apart. Keep that in mind when the purchase price is explained. Add another million anyway to the bill for repairs and upgrades. $1 million divided by 26 units? $38K per unit for repairs and replacements? Easily.

This is a bad idea.
4:11 pm est 

Harbor Hill:

Do you think it would be less expensive to build 26 units from the ground up?
2:40 pm est 

Harbor Hill:

Harbor Hill has nothing to do with low income housing. Saying "Don't vote for Harbor Hill because there are a lot of low income houses here," is like saying, "Don't buy that car because it doesn't float." You're conflating two issues. If you are advocate for voting no, you should at least do it in a way that is based in reality.
2:38 pm est 

What Crisis?

"Stop calling it a crisis when town own buildings that could help one section of needs are given away, over and over again."

THERE IS NO MIDDLE CLASS IN PROVINCETOWN. NO MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE LIVE HERE. HOW CAN A TOWN CONTINUE TO EXIST WITH NO MIDDLE CLASS? IF THAT ISN'T A CRISIS, WHAT IS?!
2:25 pm est 

Harbor Hill:

After speaking with several employees who worked at Harbor Hill before it went bankrupt, everything in and outside of those buildings are fixed with a bandaid.  Do not let the towns higher ups convince the taxpayers that purchasing the property for the purpose they are promoting it, is a very costly and bad investment for the Town of Provincetown.


Look around folks, there are many other buildings that the town owns that are just rotting away.  Furthermore, there are many, many un rented LOW INCOME units already.

We certainly do not need anymore.  VOTE NO. No. No for this bad investment which will only cost taxpayers even more....
2:24 pm est 

Re: Just an Observation
 
"A lot of vitriol against Harbor Hill. The merits of their arguments aside , I feel like taking a bath after reading these comments"
 
   
Soooo go take your bath, many comments are just that comments, critical and not personal.
2:08 pm est 

From: Wayne Martin

How can we ever believe what our boards, committees and TM are telling us.
After I watched the last selectmen's meeting I decided to do a little investigating into what was being proposed to us now for a new police station. What I found out was that our current police stations square footage is 1,324 square ft, this was given to me by the assessor's office. What is now the front runner of the new police station schemes is a 12,000 sq ft structure which will be located across from the VFW, south of the highway and west of the skateboard park "the pines". They are telling us to renovate and make the current station 2 1/2 times the size that it is right now, like I proposed which would be more than adequate and easily done, is going to cost more than building a new facility from the ground up that is some 9 times plus the size of the one we have now which has served its purpose for decades. This to my understanding not including the money for the clearing of the lot, moving the skateboard park and landscaping the grounds around the new facility.  Also they said that we are required by the state to have a station this enormous for this tiny town that has little to no real crime in the busy  months and could operate on a skeleton crew ( Andy and Barney ) the other 8 months of the year. It was also mentioned that a building this size is necessary if we need to expand in the future. They list as one of the reasons it will cost so much to renovate the current station is that they would have to get temporary accommodations much like we did when we renovated the town hall. Well what I have to say to that is that we have the Community Center which is much larger than the current station that we could've used if it wasn't given to Mark Hatch, or we could use the enormous Truro PD seeing how it seems the two departments have merge now anyway without the permission of the taxpayers! Now who besides me is tired of being completely disrespected and treated like a moron with no more brains than a door knob?

Wayne Martin
11:41 am est 

Just an Observation

A lot of vitriol against Harbor Hill. The merits of their arguments aside , I feel like taking a bath after reading these comments . Just an observation
11:12 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! Call It Schitt'$ Creek!

I like that: a win-win for the Bow-Tie Guy!

Such a deal! We pay, our taxes go crazy, and then Harbor Hill needs even more than $12.5 million and we continue to pay. Then they go to CPC and ask for $250,000 for "Painting" and when done---the bow-tie guy moves in. Next, the Yingling guy --with or without the old girlfriend--and then the family man, Richter himself, moves into the three bedroom luxury condo--because he has baby--and happiness reigns!

Such a perfect deal for such perfect people. Could it be any better? Hardly.
11:10 am est 

A Retort

No Mark Hatch I will not keep my mouth shut!  Everybody knows the truth now about you and the rest of them and the wall of corruption is going to come crumbling down around your ears. You and all your partners in crime  have no credibility at all now and the people now know what me and a few others were saying about the corruption in Provincetown and Truro was true. Yes I hope and pray that it not only hurts all of your wallets and pocketbooks but when the AG gets involved you will all wind up behind bars. Nonsensical? Why is it nonsensical that Mr. Walker is ten times the human being that any of you are, is it because of his color? Is it nonsensical that all of you corrupt cowards are in it up to your slimy necks now? Nope I don't think I'll be shutting up any time soon and it will take a lot more than idiotic anonymous comments coming from a bunch of lying cowardly weasels to make me. By the way I think it's a tremendous idea that nobody or their family and frien!
ds that was involved with the underhanded closed door BS dealings in HH proposal be allowed at anytime to reside there if it should pass, which by sounds of it is highly unlikely.  Another question I have is why again is the DPW being left out of all equations for their needs? What kind of message do you think this sends to them when once again their requests go ignored by our town government?
10:33 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

"But they are at least doing SOMETHING"
 
Sounds like a Currier 'argument' of a bad plan
 
10:27 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

"And now you have the audacity to say that what is motivating them is the chance for personal gain?!"
 
There is no audacity here. Remember Pam Parmikian? The better question is: who thinks Yingling and Ricther wont move in?  This BOS has done nothing to help the housing, in fact in some instances have made it worse.  Stop calling it a crisis when town own buildings that could help one section of needs are given away, over and over again.
10:21 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

The board of selectman and the town manager are not trying to purchase Harbor Hill for personal gain. For years and years, town meeting has encouraged, implored, demanded that town leadership do something to fix the housing crisis. Now they are. You may not agree with the proposal, but they are at least doing SOMETHING. They are doing what we asked them to do. And now you have the audacity to say that what is motivating them is the chance for personal gain?! And you say that if someone doesn't believe they are motivated by personal gain, they are looking at the situation like Trump?

I guess it's stupid for me to even respond to such a stupid comment. But I believe part of the reason why the conversation in town has deteriorated is because nonsense like this isn't shut down but clearer minds. Please stop this conspiracy, fear-mongering cynicism.
9:43 am est 

Sunday, January 29, 2017

Dear Wayne

We can't be bothered with your nonsensical chest beating right now. Please shut up until the real issues are resolved. Thank you. Dead Dear.
11:45 pm est 

Thanks BOS

What's wrong with Panagore having a water view condo at Harbor Hill? He will have a bird's eye view of an incoming squall (not like he'd know what it was...sandstorm?) to report on the weather. And he could monitor the HH parking lot (his true skill). Win-win for the bow tie guy. Not to mention the bonus for the Town. Thanks BOS!
11:43 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! Call It Schitt'$ Creek!

Just as Donald Trump has signed an executive order, maybe the current Board of Selectmen and town managers could agree to a public five year exclusion of benefiting from being residents at Harbor Hill.
9:03 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! Call It Schitt'$ Creek!

I also Believe that Yingling, Richter, McPherson and maybe even Panagore

are viewing this harbor Hill purchase as a perfect solution for their personal housing needs. a place for town employees--and town selectmen! a place to help our town manager gain a luxury condo and then add this to his contract. and then there is that other one who also needs to find a luxury housing space. makes sense to me. they are first in line for these housing condos.

If not them, then who? Not to see this as a possibility is to see with Trump eyes.
9:01 pm est 

What's the Housing Specialist Opinion on Harbor Home

Anyone notice further down the CPA agenda, $122, 000 plus for a housing specialist,  would like to hear what she thinks about this idea? what does the specialists think about buying HH?
7:31 pm est 

From: Wayne Martin

Awful funny when all of you were bashing me nobody cared about defamation but now the real lowlives have shown their true colors and are being called out now you cry foul! Also if you don't like who is in office now and you don't want a person that is "Trump like", which I assume from previous posts your referring to me for whatever reason, the "what now" is get off your asses and run for office yourselves! If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. On a personal note and I mean this with every fiber of my being, this town should consider itself extremely lucky if we had a honest and knowledgeable man like Mr. Clarence Walker for a selectmen.

Wayne Martin
7:28 pm est 

An Observation

Publishing that the board of selectmen and town hall employees are trying to secure harbor hill so that they themselves can move in is untruthful, beneath you, Clarence, and beneath the level of conversation we should be having in town. If they were not public figures, that would be defamation. So publisher du something like that about someone who is not a public a figure and get sued.
7:26 pm est 

Re: An Observation!

"Stop the personal attacks. Clarence, why do you let this stuff get published? You should be personally ashamed and personally sued for defamation."  
 
 
Strange for Some the Truth is liable

It is not. the truth and discussion of what sadly is happening at town hall is real. some hate the truth--like Trump and Bannon--but that is what we all need.
11:37 am est 

An Observation!

Stop the personal attacks. Clarence, why do you let this stuff get published? You should be personally ashamed and personally sued for defamation.
10:53 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! Call It Schitt'$ Creek!

So if we acquire Harbor Hill and end up not getting the future marijuana tax money or the tax from air b'nb and if we do not extend the land tax or if community preservation money goes to other projects then the taxpaying residents are going to subsidize the renters for the entire existence of Harbor hill even though rents go up to $3,100 per month.... Then this town can be renamed Schitt'$ Creek!
10:51 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! - No Credibility!

Harbor Hill finances are a shell game being played by the Selectmen and Town Manager.  The premise that it won't cost the taxpayers anything is deceptive at best as one previous poster stated.

The 2% pot tax and the expansion of room occupancy tax both could be used to fund new vehicles, the police station and paving our roads.  Instead we are supposed to re-direct that money to Harbor Hill and pay for those items through our taxes.

Then the Land bank tax is also going to be re-directed to Harbor Hill.  We, the taxpayers, pay that through our tax bill.   Duh?

Don't play us for fools and quit lying.  You've lost all sense of credibility you may have had.
10:49 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE will actually move back. NOT EVEN AN ANONYMOUS SURVEY. Just Hyperbole.

Survey for food trucks, survey for lack or attendance at town meeting, but no survey before spending 12.5 million? 
10:47 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco! - Harbor Hill Meeting

At the Harbor Hill meeting Thursday, the town was told that taxes from marijuana, air b'nb, land bank money and community preservation funds will be used for this operation. So if we vote for this we are also committing these funds to this project? What is left for anything else? And are these funds eternally designated for Harbor Hill?If so, this is not a self sustaining operation as we were originally told. Not!!!
 
10:45 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

Can someone tell me what the rents are at Stable Path or any of the other "affordable" units in town that aren't filled currently and maybe why they aren't fill (maybe due to income/rent ratio too high)?
10:44 am est 

Re: Such a Deal....... You Betcha!

"Yingling needs a place to call his own considering he's currently shacking up somewhere he shouldn't be"

Why should he be where he is?
10:42 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill

Yup they will be able to own houses elsewhere and rent at hh
10:40 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill

Tried to keep an open mind, but it's a disaster.  A subsidy of $160,000 is totally unrealistic and based on everything working out in the Town's favor.  When has anything ever worked out in the Town's favor?!?!?!?!?!

But even if we use their fantasy number, that's still a subsidy of $6,100 per unit for people making $50,000+  Are you kidding me?
 
Webmaster Comment: Perhaps you are conflating the $160,000 associated with the Community Center with the Harbor Home project.
10:39 am est 

Re: What's Your Choice?

"Ask yourself this; Am I currently happy with what we have as selectmen...or do you want someone with the likes of Trump..."

I choose neither. Now what?
10:28 am est 

Saturday, January 28, 2017

Re: Such a Deal....... You Betcha!

Uh, Oh, the Real Deal You have presented the real hidden deal behind this unrealistic and too expensive purchase by the town. but those promoting this HarborHill purchase then gain from convincing us that this makes sense and is good for the town----when it is primarily and directly good for them--Yingling and Richter--a self-serving proposal. \ while we are looking in one direction, they have packed their bags, loaded up the U-Haul and are planning on moving in!!
 
9:43 pm est 

Re: Such a Deal....... You Betcha!

Think I won't happen that way? Guess again. Yingling needs a place to call his own considering he's currently shacking up somewhere he shouldn't be and Raf does need a place too. As far as McFEARson,  she's only around as long as we want her here as well as Panagore but that won't stop them from living there.

This is a set up and we're going to take it right on the chin and when they do move in, hey, it's all by the rules we allowed to happen at town meeting!

NO TO HARBOR HILL!!!!!!
9:31 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

Harbor hill Condos:

Bad purchase... The town does not need another run down investment.  This is not a good purchase.  As one man said, the police could live in them rather than commute.  However, the police commute because they want to and most own HOUSES up cape.

I love how it always starts out " a fair market value"..  That's a promise to get the project..  Look around the town, you will see several vacant LOW-INCOME places already.  Why?  because they too used the same prompt to get permits and now they are to expensive for anyone to even rent....

When is this going to stop?  We don't need anymore places to purchase.... 
9:28 pm est 

Re: From: Gordon Siegel on Harbor Hill Meeting re David Panagore

Thank you! Thank you so much for this well explained strategy for what will, no doubt, fail. This is the kind of basic, easy to understand logic that should be revealed at town meeting and selectmen's meetings not only to show how bad of a deal it is but how inept the new town manager really is. For all honesty, wasn't he formerly employed as a parking department manager in his old town?
6:22 pm est 

Such a Deal....... You Betcha!

So Perhaps it really comes down to this: Eric Yingling, Raphael Richter, Gloria McPherson and maybe even David Panagore would be living at HarborHill if the deal goes through. Quite attractive condos, great views and all paid and subsidized by us the tax paying residents.

No, not the firemen and the few teachers left, not the police but the sterling group at town hall--each happy to be in attractive housing with a great view as a gift from us to them!

Eric Yingling is already seeing himself living in the best condo and even Raphael, with his new baby, sees a two or three bedroom condo---why?? Because they believe, they deserve it! And McPherson would soon follow, all entitled, all pleased with themselves. and Panagore, bow-tied and all, would find the town paying for his rental as part of his being such a successful, dynamic, and extraordinary town manager.

It's a deal made in heaven--even if those involved are more devilish than heavenly in motives and actions.
 

6:19 pm est 

From: Gordon Siegel on Harbor Hill Meeting re David Panagore

""We have an exit strategy," said Panagore, adding that real estate is so valuable, if there is a problem, the town can sell off units." Oh Mr. David B. Panagore, please read history. With all due respect, I have been here over twenty years sir, you have barely unpacked. IT WAS NOT SIX YEARS AGO WE WERE TAKEN OFF THE STATE FINANCIAL WATCH LIST. $$ The Manor cost us millions and millions of dollars a year in shortages, not to mention employee overages. Think about the future new hirers for Harbor Hill: Maintenance and upkeep staff will need salary and benefits. No, not year one. But by years 2 or 3 you will tell Town Meeting how much 'cheaper and better' it is to hire Town staff instead of hiring a management company, only to forever be paying more people, regardless of sale. Since Salaries and Insurance increase annually, rents will not be able to meet these costs and a shortfall for the Trust will emerge. Yes, the trust will be paying them, but not when we 'sell off units" I will bet my Accounting Degree on it. As for the real estate, to get rid of the Manor it took 3 rfps to give it away. In that process we went from getting 19 affordable units to 9, AND the taxpayers had to kick in another million at the end. We continue to pay around $200,000. per year STILL today in benefits for former Manor employees..... "real estate is so valuable."...The Grace Goveia? We sold it for under 900K, and got 3 affordable units. Seemed great until we saw the developer selling them each for about that price, and parking spaces there went for $25,000 each. To add insult to injury, just weeks ago the BOS voted to award the developer another $30,000, yes another $30,000 of taxpayer money, because they "didn't read the contract very well," according to one BOS member. Where do I sign up to buy something from the Town? I just missed the Community Center. That was so easy to sell off it took 7 years and the BOS didn't by layman terms sell it, they leased it. But not before we the taxpayers can give the new "owners" $160,000
. for a new paint job. So, Mr. Panagore, one can only ask, please, I beg you, show me an example when we the town has sold off units with a positive outcome?
 
Gordon Siegel
10:20 am est 

Re: Tom Donegan - Harbor Hill

Tom Donegan said" Buying Harbor Hill would be a way to "bring home" police, firefighters and others who are the lifeblood of the town." THERE IS NO BASIS FOR THIS STATEMENT. The BOS and the Town Manager have done NO SURVEY of people in those jobs. No-one at OCHS and No-one at the Police Station or the School. NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE will actually move back. NOT EVEN AN ANONYMOUS SURVEY. Just Hyperbole.
10:13 am est 

Re: Tom Donegan - Harbor Hill

Tom Donegan ran on a campaign to clean up the mess created by Sharon Lynn and Jeff Jaran. He was disgusted by their underhanded efforts to influence outcomes which they supported. So here we are today, an all out push to purchase Harbor Hill by the BOS. Any desenting conversation and you are targeted. Tom Donegan you seriously disappoint me. I voted for you and now I find myself disliking you as much or more than the above mentioned. You said yourself that they harassed you and now you do the same.
10:12 am est 

Friday, January 27, 2017

Re: Websites Liability

This website is not immune from liability for the things posted here.  The reason is that the "blog master"  actively and aggressively edits what is posted.  When the site takes an active role in censoring posts they are open to liability.  

If the site simply acted as a conduit and made no editorial decisions they might be able to claim no liability.  This is not the case here.  

Although this post might never see the light of day due to censoring, it is the truth.
10:54 pm est 

Deb Alhbenberg - Conservation Officer/Environmental Planner Gone

Deb Albenberg Was Not the majorette's Little Pet

that is the only way someone survives in that conniving environment. either kiss her a--, smile at her dark deals, and tolerate her rages---or she will find a way to move you out--out of her way and out the door.

Given the lack of balls by the top administrator, there's no rationality involved. Only personality issues that sadly fill that department with toxicity. It will come to poison us all.
10:52 pm est 

Deb Alhbenberg - Conservation Officer/Environmental Planner Gone

SHOCKED!!! TRULY SHOCKED!!

Can anyone elaborate, truthfully, about what happened? Why did she leave? Was there a particular issue? As alluded to in here, how could the planner push Deb out? WHAT HAPPENED??!!
8:18 pm est 

Re: A Statement

"I am excited to be slandered on this site. I have already talked to an attorney about suing the website and its owners when it occurs."

Hope your not using K&P
7:06 pm est 

Harbor Hill is Overreach

- We do not have an adequate sense of demand.  When asked on Town Talk, Raphael replied that if you look at the salaries of the police and other town employees, they would be eligible to live in HH.  BUT NOBODY HAS ASKED THEM IF THEY WANT TO.  This could have been done in plenty of time for Town Meeting, but it was ignored.

- The people I trust on that site are saying that it is going to cost money annually from town budget.  I believe this also.  And if it doesn't get rented, what then!?!?!

- We have achieved almost nothing with regard to community housing in the past 5 years.  The VFW sits empty, the Community Center, which could have met some seasonal worker needs, was given to a non-profit with no track record at a ridiculously low price.  And we voted btw, to sell that building.  The contempt this BOS has for the voters of Provincetown and Town Meeting is palpable.

- I tried to keep an open mind but I will be voting NO at Town Meeting and NO at the ballot box.  I urge you all to do the same.
7:05 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!                                                                                                   

The Board of Selectmen is trying to market the Harbor Hill proposal to taxpayers as if the Housing Trust will be financially and operationally independent and the purchase will be a walk in the park.

Nonsense.

The town is the guarantor of the bonds when they are issued, not the Housing Trust.

If there is insufficient rental income to support bond debt repayment and property expenses, taxpayers will be on the hook EACH YEAR AT ANNUAL MEETING in order that the bond not be recalled, not to mention the negative impact on the town's bonding rating or future borrowing capability.

Voters, get ready for a supplemental request each year at April town meeting.

And when the Housing Trust gets in the business of collecting rents, evicting tenants (many of whom will be employees of the town)and makes difficult decisions on tenant selection, don't think for a second the Town of Provincetown will be insulated from all the lawsuits
inherent with the performance of these responsibilities.

Trusts can be easily penetrated by a plaintiff to seek the greatest source of funding to secure an award in court.

The Board of Selectmen has no business placing taxpayers in the business of funding and operating housing with the pretense of a shield by the Housing Trust.

Richter, Yingling and Donnegan, unfortunately, were not in the community to remember the annual financial distress of the Cape End Manor and Pier which voters were handed at annual meetings. The Harbor Hill proposal carries a much a higher financial risk than the Manor or the Pier.

Operationally, financially and legally, the taxpayers will bear the ultimate brunt of responsibility resulting in increased taxes each year.

If you don't believe it, ask anyone who lived in town when the town owned nursing home was hemorrhaging with losses of a half million dollars every year and the pier was poorly managed and ready to fall into the sea through Board of Selectmen negligence on both counts.

There will never be sufficient capital reserves for the upkeep of the building because the tenants cannot afford to pay a higher rent.

Remember, Harbor Hill is 30 years old.

Despite the birds eye assessment by the Selectmen that the buildings look good, the town will be inheriting a major liability for capital replacement.

Where is the building inspection? Where is the 5 Year Capital Improvement Plan? How much will it cost? Can those costs be transferred to tenants on an affordable basis?

What if the septic systems fail from year round use rather than vacation use?

Do you really think the tenants are going to be able to absorb the exorbitant sewer betterment and user fees?

I doubt it.

An independent body should have been retained with citizen involvement to look beyond the immediate attraction of the property to the Town Manager and Board of Selectmen.

A Housing Trust is not equipped to deal with these issues because it is a politically appointed body whose fiduciary mission will be inherently compromised nor does it have the expertise.

Voters, Harbor Hill is a deep financial abyss which will become a major financial liability for the town in the future due to the rental limitations of the tenants and the future capital expenses which will be needed to update the buildings.

Voters should vote "NO" to Harbor Hill.
5:44 pm est 

Harbor Hill Nightmare

Of course HH is not affordable. But why that makes arguments  against HH invalid is total baloney. One point, because all affordables are not rented, you think all 26 market rates are going to be scooped up by locals paying up to @3,100 per month. Dream on. Nightmare!
5:40 pm est 

Re: Deb Alhbenberg - Conservation Officer/Environmental Planner Gone

Looks Like Deborah Alhberg was thrown Under the Bus

and can you guess which majorette did this? the one who likes to take charge and kick her heels high in the air and stump down on the unsuspected.

It is my way or the highway for this majorette.
5:38 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Meeting

They said our taxes won't go up because they will use every other form of revenue that they can come by like marijuana tax, airb'nb tax, community preservation etc. Now, if there is any other expense like a fire truck or repair ,of course our taxes will go up because everything else is committed to this fiasco. Boy, they think we're stupid losers.
5:35 pm est 

Re: Wayne Martin

"A vote for Wayne Martin is a vote for Donald Trump.  I have read Mr. Martin's writing long enough on this blog to know the town would suffer if he was elected to the BOS"

How so? As a member of a 5 person board, he is only 20% of the vote and even if he were to convince another member to vote with him on issues, that still only 40%, still not a majority. I can't point to one person that would agree with Mr. Martin blindly but on occasion, maybe. He has some good points and of course, as all of us do, has some people in his sights but that doesn't mean he has any power over them. The town manager has the power over the employees, police and direction the town takes on planning matters, not the selectmen. He would have some decision making power in the fire department as they are overseen by the fire engineers who then report to the selectmen (I think). Ask yourself this;
Am I currently happy with what we have as selectmen that are currently making these foolish decisions regarding the future of the town and our tax dollars while at least 2 of the 5 don't pay property tax in this town as it is? Do they have any real direction or are they just stabbing at ideas, hoping one will work and then they can prance around claiming victory for their decision? Or do you want someone with the likes of Trump, someone that has no favors owed to anyone, is completely fresh to the political scene, has no insider background and, if pushed too far, will hang himself and his future political ambitions on his own thus bringing his term to an end on it's own?
5:34 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill

Doesn't answer the question Harbor Hill is not affordable housing. Different pool of people, different numbers.
 
"If the brand new affordables at Stable Path cannot be fully rented, how are we going to keep the 26 rental units at HH at a sustainable level?"
5:31 pm est 

Dear BOS

BOS, Please keep stop saying it is simple when it comes to once again raising my property tax. Stop spending so much money on stupid shit.


Special Town Meeting is Monday February 6, 2017. The election which allows a Prop 2 1/2 debt exclusion vote is the next day. The Town Meeting article needs a 2/3rds vote to pass. The election is simple majority

4:22 pm est 

A Vote for Wayne Martin

A vote for Wayne Martin is a vote for the POTUS? aaah? ummm? Uh never mind.
4:18 pm est 

From: Wayne Martin

Exactly how would this town or its people suffer if I became 1 out of the 5 selectmen you anonymous twit? You and your behind closed door underhanded dealings and small town governmental corruption would sure come to a grinding hault that's a given. So I ask again who exactly would suffer, the gay community?  I will also remind you that I have two siblings that are homosexuals (well one is only part time) What exactly are you saying I'm going to do that would adversely effect the common resident or taxpayer? Who should they elect, someone who hides in the shadows and refuses to put his or her names to their words? Or me who is always honest and upfront about what I say? in other words I own it and stand behind it. Like I stated before the powers that be are terrified of the thought of me becoming a selectmen and these kinds of comments just prove it.

Wayne Martin
4:17 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Meeting

"At last nights Harbor Hill meeting Mr. Panagore for the second time stated the problem with the Mannor with people not paying their rent would not be the same for Harbor Hill. Would someone please tell him this was not the problem for the Mannor. The problem was numbers. We could never keep the number of residents in the mannor at a level that could sustain it. I believe this will be the fate of Harbor Hill."


Harbor Hill is not affordable housing. Different pool of people, different numbers.

"If the brand new affordables at Stable Path cannot be fully rented, how are we going to keep the 26 rental units at HH at a sustainable level?"


Because they are for a different group of people.

"And when we voted the Trust in we did so based on 2 or 3 units purchased each year. We did not vote for this no matter how much of a once in a lifetime opportunity it is. If it is challanged at the state level the Trust is in trouble. Not surprising since the last member was appointed 2 weeks ago! Not much of a track record for administering $12.5 million."


The trust was created within the context of nothing like Harbor Hill being available in Provincetown. If something like HH had been around or even a remote possibility, maybe people would have been talking about it then. And yes, you voted for something a year ago. Now you are asked to vote for something else, because circumstances have changed. There's nothing sinister about that. Situations change. So we go back and vote.
4:15 pm est 

Re: 365 Group


"What underhanded conniving things are going on behind the scenes here?"


Nothing. It's a group of people who meet once a month to talk about ways to make positive impacts in town. The meetings are open to anyone.
4:00 pm est 

From: Wayne Martin to Mark Hatch

No No Mark Hatch in order to have grounds for slander you must first prove what was said about you wasn't true and that these so called untruths hurt you monetarily. If I were you I would keep your anonymous whining cowardly mouth shut because I still have screen shots of you and one of your partners in crime Mark Del Franco as sitting members of the Provincetown FinCom truly defaming/slandering a certain persons good name!  As you well know I showed them to one of your other buddies and partners in crime the TM because he advised you of it and refused to do anything about the problem.

Wayne Martin
1:51 pm est 

A Statement

I am excited to be slandered on this site. I have already talked to an attorney about suing the website and its owners when it occurs.
11:12 am est 

From: Wayne Martin

I was there when the vote was taken to give them a raise and Health insurance that they put in for themselves, as I recall there was no mention of it covering their spouses or other dependents just them.
11:11 am est 

Re: What Happened to Victor?

Wasn't the Provincetown restaurateur that was charged with attempted murder to be tried earlier this month.. Nothing has been reported.
 
 
11:10 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill Meeting

At last nights Harbor Hill meeting Mr. Panagore for the second time stated the problem with the Mannor with people not paying their rent would not be the same for Harbor Hill. Would someone please tell him this was not the problem for the Mannor. The problem was numbers. We could never keep the number of residents in the mannor at a level that could sustain it. I believe this will be the fate of Harbor Hill. If the brand new affordables at Stable Path cannot be fully rented, how are we going to keep the 26 rental units at HH at a sustainable level? And when we voted the Trust in we did so based on 2 or 3 units purchased each year. We did not vote for this no matter how much of a once in a lifetime opportunity it is. If it is challanged at the state level the Trust is in trouble. Not surprising since the last member was appointed 2 weeks ago! Not much of a track record for administering $12.5 million.
11:07 am est 

Re: 365 Group

What underhanded conniving things are going on behind the scenes here? The so called 365 Group is not a recognized & appointed Town Committee! They are a group of people that choose to group together collectively to discuss ideas & potential solutions to make "things" better for The common good & Provincetown! 365 have no right to CPC Funds that I know of for their operation,other than their own private/personal donations! is there something we aren't aware of that allows them such funds?
11:05 am est 

Re: Erik Yingling

It is my understanding that Selectmen Yingling recused himself from the vote regarding this mess regarding the Rec building. Ok, he's got a right to do that but my problem is why doesn't he explain why??? This BOS and TM is the worst.
11:03 am est 

Re: Conservation Agent/Environmental Planner

Full-time position of Conservation Agent/Environmental Planner

she did not last long.


11:02 am est 

Provincetown Police Station

Police in the pines? The newest proposal is to put the cops in the median by the skate park where the pines are? THAT busy corner? This comedy show the selectmen are putting on is neverending!!
11:01 am est 

Wayne Martin

A vote for Wayne Martin is a vote for Donald Trump.  I have read Mr. Martin's writing long enough on this blog to know the town would suffer if he was elected to the BOS
10:59 am est 

Re: Will They Never Learn?
 
"Please watch the presentation from this evening when it is posted as I hope it will answer a lot of your questions. This project will not raise your tax bill and will create 26 units (51 bedrooms) of year round housing" 
 
HOW THE F* DO WE SPEND 12.5 MILLION DOLLARS WiTHOUT OUR TAXES GOING UP? 
10:52 am est 

An Observation

This website's disclosure that it has no liability for the content is NOT true.
If they allow defamatory statements to be published on this site, they can be sued for promoting slander. Especially when the webmaster allows statements that  are personal attacks, that have no bearing on this site's mission statement.

It's like when a parking garage says they have no liability if your car is damaged.  Not true. They and sites like this,  post these types of disclosures to put individuals off from sueing. It won't work. Know your rights! For all anyone knows, it's the webmaster and his wife who are writing anonymously.
10:50 am est 

BOS Health Coverage

I can't seem to get a straight answer on my question.  When we voted for health coverage for the members of the BOS, DID WE vote to cover BOS members only or BOS members and their dependents?

THANKS IN ADVANCE
9:35 am est 

Re: Will They Never Learn?

HARBOR HILL, COMMUNITY CENTER, WINSLOW FARM!  WILL THEY NEVER LEARN, THE PRESENT BOS ARE SIMPLY OUT OF TOUCH, AND GIVING DIRECTION TO AN ALREADY CLUELESS TOWN MANAGER DOES NOT HELP MATTERS.

HE, THEY ALL MUST BE STOPPED, A CLEAN SWEEP WITH A NEW BROOM WOULD SEEM THE BEST IDEA.

1:28 am est 

Thursday, January 26, 2017

Re: Wayne Martin for Selectmen

Thank you for that, I think, and no I wouldn't!!! I do find it disturbing that people are only up in arms when something effects them somehow. None the less I can assure registered voters and all taxpayers that this would not happen under my watch. If I couldn't stop it by my vote, I would certainly be the first to contact the AG, the IG or the MBE of any violations that I thought was occurring. Also I would let all the taxpayers know at scheduled meetings, word of mouth and via social media about any and all shenanigans that I knew was a foot. I will add though all the members on these boards and committees may not be active participants in these shenanigans, they certainly all share culpability for not speaking up and or reporting them to the proper agencies. For these reasons and more I will have incredible opposition and deformation a plenty if I do or am able to run for selectmen. I will need all the support I can get even if you don't like me personally but w!
ant to put a stop to this shit! It also disturbs me that scores of individuals have requested audiences or return phone calls from town officials including but not limited to the TM and the Chief of police and were totally ignored as if they were subhuman.
4:10 pm est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager & BOS

Wayne Martin for Selectmen
 
I guarantee he would not stand for this crap!
He said this kinda of BS was happening with him and others on a personal level and nobody cared now all of a sudden that it effects all of us, now it matters. Well wake the F up people this has been going on for years and it is going to continue to happen until there is serious change. Wayne seems honest and an open book , also from what I know of him he's a friggin pit bull and not beholding to anyone in this town. It's about time we had a watchdog in the town hall to keep the rest of them in line and to look out for our interests and wishes. I have checked with the Orleans court house if Wayne had any sort of criminal record and indeed he does not. This came as a surprise to me because even though he has stated several times he doesn't  the conversations I have had with several town hall employees, people that are on certain boards/committees and police personnel  who all claimed that he did. It seems that all but one claim against him was brought by Provincetown and the Truro police with no complaintants. The other he was found not guilty and that was initiated by a Truro police officer who was just recently forced to resigned and is now in the process of being sued by several different individuals. The point being don't believe what you hear believe what you see and have witnessed for yourselves about this guy. Look I know a lot of us like me don't agree with his politics and to put it gently he is rough around the edges but he would be a far sight better than anyone that sits on the BoS now and I would urge everyone to vote for him should he choose to run.
12:44 pm est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager & BOS

Isn't it obvious to the Town Moderator and others at the round table discussion a few weeks ago about why more people do not attend Town Meeting? If I knew my vote would not be respected, I would not have attended in the past. The future seems to be up in the air as far as attending town meeting.
11:35 am est 

Re: Panagore so Transparent

My mistake below: I thought Panagore answered the planning board members question, he didn't,  saying he was swamped getting ready for Thursday's night's shell game and dropped a link for past FB discussion..or a Thai restaurant not really sure. 
9:46 am est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager & BOS

My letter to the Attorney General is in the mail.  The unethical ways of the BOS and TM are worse than anything Austin and Sharon could have imagined. Again the address is Attorney General, 10 Mechanic St, Suite 301, Worcester, MA 01608. 
9:45 am est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager & BOS

Thank you for starting the conversation regarding a recall of the BOS and firing the Town Manager for incompetence!! The community center deal has to be the dumbest thing for Provincetown in a long long time. We voted as a town to sell it and our voices are ignored. Kopelman & Page should be removed as they continually give bad advice. John Georgio was responsible for the whole Jaran arbitration debacle that cost us dearly! We later learned Jaran was more than willing to negotiate a reasonable settlement instead of a long drawn out process that only hurt the town. I have to say that I really wish transparency was back as it was with the Lynn tenure. Her only mistake was to lean on a law firm that has proven to be consistently on the wrong side of common sense that hurts Ptown in the end.
9:43 am est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager & BOS

I just read a Facebook post by a person who runs a local theater company (a person who leads a pretty lavish lifestyle according to his social media) who says the community center would have been put to better use if it became summer housing for his theater company because
 
"We don't need another place to paint... I mean if no one can actually live here who's gonna be producing art besides those that already live here and already have a place to be creative."

Well, actually, there are many artists that live here that can't afford a place to be creative. Many live in small studio apartments, shared apartments or single rooms that don't allow for a live-in work space. Many artists move here lured by the town's long history as an artist's colony only to find out that they can't afford a studio that costs as much or in many cases more than their already overpriced apartment. They hear about the many art classes offered here in the summer and then realize these classes cost triple what they would pay for a class in NYC (where they would have more experienced and qualified instructors.)Many artists come here to be a part of the country's oldest art colony and promptly turn around and leave because this "art colony" is anything but welcoming to young artists with limited financial means. A community arts center would offer much to people like this (locals and newcomers.)

I don't see how this person sees his summer theater as a worthwhile artistic endeavor yet thinks a year-round community art center is a bad idea. Yes, we have PAAM and FAWC, but those places are expensive and exclusionary. They don't provide much to those with limited means - like most Provincetown establishments, they cater to the wealthy summer people. A community center would be an important year round artistic resource for everyone. Young and old, wealthy and poor, locals and visitors.

We need to offer our COMMUNITY a little year round culture and incentive to stay here. This idea that something has to generate summer money for businesses in order to be worthwhile has to stop. We have a newly elected fool of a president who wants to cut out all funding for the arts too. Is this the example we want to follow? Provincetown is about more than bars and restaurants and souvenirs for tourists. It's about more than money. It may be shrinking, but there is still a community here and it needs nurturing. We need to move forward but not forget what we used to be.
9:40 am est 

Community Center Deal is Backdoor Politics

Thank you, Clarence and Marlene! This Community Center deal is backdoor politics  at its worst. WHEN will Provincetown ever learn that John Giorgio doesn't give a rat's ass about Provincetown!  He just marches to the BOS orders. This is exactly what happened with the Jaran arbitration.  When Ptown is one of Kopelam and Pages most lucrative accounts, we must really think hard. Hello?? Talk about connecting the dots.
12:23 am est 

Wednesday, January 25, 2017

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager & BOS

Start Thinking About Recall!!
or
Impeachment 
Start the Dialog
 Break the Cabal 
Enough is Enough!
 
10:31 pm est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager & BOS

Either side of the community center tentative agreement people are on, the method was not what the people of Provincetown deserve which is a clear, fair, and transparent presentation of the workings of our appointed and elected officials. This, after the fact explanation of the differences between an under 30 year lease and a 99 year lease is not what we deserves....any of us. Our  townspeople  are  being treated in a disrespectful manner....all of us ...both sides.
9:32 pm est 

Why We March!

To the GOP insulting 3 million Marchers all over the world, share this: "To those who are confused or surprised about why millions of people showed up to protest on Saturday. . . "Women are marching because our children deserve a secretary of education that cares about education. "Women are marching because our family and friends deserve healthcare. Did you know that before the ACA (Obama Care), newborns in the NICU would hit their lifetime caps on health insurance coverage. That's right, Babies who had never felt the sun on their skin could no longer get health insurance. "Women are marching because of domestic violence crisis centers and after school programs deserve funding. "Women are marching because we deserve clean air, clean water, and national parks. "Women are marching because we believe the children protected by the DREAM act deserve to be here and they deserve to live with their parents, not in orphanages and foster homes. "And most of all, women are marching because we have the right to. The right to protest and speak out against our government is the first amendment. That's right, #1! It is one of our most fundamental American rights. "Saying that we're whining, throwing temper tantrums, or that we're immature, or that we need to get over it will not stop us. It will not stop us from fighting for you. And we are fighting for you because you deserve these rights too. "We're not marching because Trump won. "We're marching because he wants to take all of the things that we hold dear away. All of the things that we've been fighting for generations. "And we're not giving up easily. "Anyone who thinks we're marching because we lost just simply isn't listening. We're fighting because we refuse to lose more."
 
6:31 pm est 

Re: Town Vehicles

"Most people in executive positions who work 18 hours a day do."

yeah because we have so many executive positions in Provincetown. More CEOs who have a driver bring them to their second home.
6:27 pm est 

Panagore so Transparent

A planning board member seems confused on the logistics on how the Community Center give away went down, posts her questions on Town Talk, Panagore answers and then turns off comments. Love it! so Provincetown transparent
5:44 pm est 

An Observation

Omg it takes a day to scroll down to the current posts...
5:42 pm est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager & BOS

This is outrageous what the TM and BOS have done with the Community Center!!!!! We all voted to SELL it!!!!!! Bring back the old regime.
3:32 pm est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Vincent Breglia -

Vincent Breglia is Absolutely right

He says it as it is--and then others get angry and attack him. He is stating the truth and when you look at the rec center--it is the wrong decision for the town. it is not that any of us wouldn't want more art--but this is on the backs of all of us--we are now funding $160,000 for paint on the walls and then there will be more and more.

We voted to sell the building--not let others use it at our expense.

Vincent is right and he is documenting the truth.
3:13 pm est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager & BOS

Link it all back to the 365 group and who began this group? None other than Gloria McPherson and then this group is being financially funded====yes funded----by the same group that is proposing the Rec Center use as Creative Commons. and the people linked on the so-called board are linked to 365. And then there is Kristin hatch as chair of CPC funds--and she is the cousin of Mark hatch--who got the monies from the non-profit--and then they are proposing $160,000 for painting of the rec building--at our expense. And then there is the relationship, yes relationship-- between Kristin Hatch and Gloria McPherson. How sordid does this have to get before people finally say enough!!
 
3:11 pm est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager & BOS

What a mess the town manager and board of selectmen have made of this town. I've never seen it so divided. There seems to be no end in sight for the amount of money they want to take from taxpayers to fulfill their own self interests. We need a new police station, a new DPW facility, continued road improvements, housing. Mean while the VFW remains for YEARS now without a future and the Community Center was awarded without town input to friends of the town manager along with $160,000 commitment for repair. WTF is going on?  The Lynn administration is coming up smelling like roses compared to this shit show!!!!!!!!
2:03 pm est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process

Didn't the town planner and planning board decide the priority was seasonal housing? yet a woman who spoke in favor of the arts center said it was an idea that stemmed from a 365 meeting? No clear direction or priorities and a housing plan that might as well be used as kindling.
12:30 pm est 

 Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process
                                          
"Here is the link to file a complaint with the MA Attorney General: http://www.mass.gov/ago/consumer-resources/filing-with-the-ago.html"
 
The link works for consumer complaints....
Here's the address to mail a letter to the AG:
Office of the Attorney General
10 Mechanic Street
Worcester, MA 01608
12:27 pm est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process

This is an abomination!!

Our CPA funds should not be used for the rec building that we no longer will have anything to do with. Yet if we keep using our tax funds that should be used elsewhere, they will continue to go into this building that we wanted and voted to sell. If the town had kept the rec building, then yes, you should get funds. But we voted to sell--and it should be sold period. this 99 year lease is a front for the town continuing to fund expenses on a building it pretends no longer to own.

This convoluted action hides backroom deals that profit only a few and leaves the majority funding their special projects.
10:32 am est 

Re: Town Vehicles

"The Town Manager should have a town vehicle. Most people in executive positions who work 18 hours a day do."

Did The Trumpster post this ALTERNATE FACT?  18 hours a day?  Sure, like 1,500,000 were at the inauguration and 5,000,000 undocumented voted for Hillary.
9:26 am est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process

Here is the link to file a complaint with the MA Attorney General: http://www.mass.gov/ago/consumer-resources/filing-with-the-ago.html
9:21 am est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Gordon J Siegel
 
Town Talk 
 
The Town Voters voted to sell in 2011. This was supposed to be sold and the proceeds put towards housing needs. Instead, it's going to cost us $$ forever. WE THE TAXPAYERS will pay $160,000. to paint their new center. Not to mention the over $7,000. the "Economic Development Committee" is giving them. Folks, that's OUR tax dollars. No housing, no housing money. Another Taxpayer subsidized building. A Shame.
9:19 am est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Vincent Breglia -
 
Town Talk
 
It is interesting that the chair of fincom organized this lease. As he was the one that stood in front of us at town meeting and said it was in the best interest of the town to sell it. Now we are giving him 160 thousand dollars to fix it up. What a waste of taxpayers dollars.
9:15 am est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process - Incompetent Town Manager

Seems our Town Manager can't get us back on the State Financial Watch List Fast enough! 
  
8:42 am est 

Re: Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process

How in this town which prides itself in respect for voting rights and transparency in government can ignore the community center agreement is unfathomable. The collaborative is given a nod from community preservation ($160k) before any legal justification is established. THIS IS NOT RIGHT! Town counsel says the vote to sell the building was not a vote to sell but a mandate to divest the property by renting it for 99 years for $24k a year. THIS IS NOT RIGHT! Reminds me of the definition of what the word "is" means. We denied the sale to someone that wanted to pay $600k for it when assessed for $605K for housing and make this lame rental arrangement. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. No wonder Town Meeting is so poorly attended when our vote is disrespected.
8:40 am est 

Re: Community Center

The Town Voters voted to sell in 2011. This was supposed to be sold and the proceeds put towards housing needs. Instead, it's going to cost us $$ forever. WE THE TAXPAYERS will pay $160,000. to paint their new center. Not to mention the over $7,000. the "Economic Development Committee" is giving them. Folks, that's OUR tax dollars. No housing, no housing money. Another Taxpayer subsidized building. A Shame.
8:38 am est 

Morally Bankrupt

The people of this town have been told time and time again that the current BoS, TM, FinCom, and Chief of the PPD are the most morally bankrupt and corrupt group that has ever held office in our town! Now that they have showed their true colors what's going to be done about it. Call the state. Call the Inspector General. Call the FBI. Call someone please this cannot be allowed to continue! I literally hate using this phrase but it is time to DRAIN THE SWAMP!  I would take Lynn, Jaran, Knight and the FinCom we had 5 years ago over what we're subjected to now any day and I never personally knew or liked any of them. Something has to be done and done soon.
8:36 am est 

Re: Town Vehicles

The Town Manager should have a town vehicle. Most people in executive positions who work 18 hours a day do.
8:35 am est 

Tuesday, January 24, 2017

An Expressed Opinion

Peter Dreier,Professor of Politics at Occidental College is the kind of Professor I would interview before I let my child go to that college! Unfortunately,he's only one of those ultra liberals that have taken leading roles in colleges like Harvard & other Ivy League schools that don't teach optional philosophies! It a form of very expensive brain washing that has caused the politicians to take this country down the wrong path as was done,causing the chaos we're now in! Trump became the "lesser of two evils" & we"re caught in it! We were in a too liberal extreme & need now to pull back! I'm tired as a religious believer of being abused by those who aren't because they're all so predjudices & filled with hate and anger! I can't fix it,I can only pray for hateful,angry people on both sides! This opposition probably won't even be printed even those people profess to be accepting of other opinions
10:51 pm est 

Cultural Center RFP/RFQ Improper Award Process

How Can the CPC Accept a Proposal from a group that is not a present non-profit and has NO relationship to the Rec Building? How can a proposal have even been accepted by the CPC since the Creative commons had no standing to apply. It has, even now, no ownership of the rec building and therefore the application for our CPC funds should have been denied on that very basis. They missed the deadline since it should have only been AFTER the group was granted the ok to lease the rec building.

How can the CPC accept an application for funds for a group that is not yet a non-profit and then grant the acceptance of a proposal for a building that is, at the time, unconnected and unrelated, to them? 

As of December 17, 2016, Creative Commons had NO relationship to the rec building and no ownership or leased deal. so how could it apply for funds for a building it did not own?

There are rules and this breaks the rules. it doesn't matter that in a few months, it might own or be the leasee of this building. It is what was legal and real on December 17, 2016--at the date of the application deadline.

8:35 pm est 

Re: Town Vehicles....

"Now that the subject has been opened, let's talk about the PPD and who uses town vehicles, town gas, family rides along at tax payers expense. Hmmmmm"

Ok, I'll bite. Who does?
But be sure, absolutely sure, that the use isn't included in their contracts or within the departments policies first.
7:00 pm est 

Re: Town Vehicles....

Now that the subject has been opened, let's talk about the PPD and who uses town vehicles, town gas, family rides along at tax payers expense. Hmmmmm
4:45 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

Is it true that a 3 bedroom brand new unit at Stable Path sits unoccupied because $1,300 is too much for people in town to pay? This should be a tip off that Harbor Hill at $1200- $3000 a month plus electric heat is not going to rent well. TM said today if we can't make Harbor Hill work we can just get rid of the tenants and sell it off. He also said Provincetown properties do not loose value! Community Center was assessed at $1.2 million 4 years ago but it was reassessed at $600k a year ago. I don't think its going to work. Even the Fin com at today's meeting questioned this proposal.
4:43 pm est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

I think it's a VERY appropriate matter to question why the Town is being asked for $160,000 to paint the building


This is the second time the group has appeared before CPA with the request, the group asked before before they were sure they were being awarded the use of the building?
1:27 pm est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

I'm not offering an opinion on the awarding of the former Community Center to the Creative Commons group, however I think it's a VERY appropriate matter to question why the Town is being asked for $160,000 to paint the building. Normally, in the case of a 99-year lease, the tenant is pretty much treated as being the owner in that they are responsible for insurance, taxes (if applicable to the property), utilities ongoing maintenance, etc.,. To have the Town be expected to shell out $160,000 for this just does NOT sound appropriate to this taxpayer. What's going on here?!?
 
12:56 pm est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?
 

"Of course they are. It's just the usual suspects over and over and over again. Kind of like this page."
 
 
And the usual players in the fiasco. Preferring one proposal over another is not complaining.
11:09 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

Where is the list of middle income people that are "qualified " to fill the 27 units at Harbor Hill? No list equals a no vote from me.
10:47 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

"There's a difference between a mortgage calculator which assumes a monthly payment and a bond payment which is twice a year."

Point taken: for semi-annual bond payment at same 4.5% for 30 years (60 payments), zero down, payment would = $383,969 every 6 months.  Which, btw, is darn close to 6 times the monthly figure previously given but not exactly.  So technically you are correct.

Here is the site to do this calculation:

http://www.mycalculators.com/ca/saloanm.html

Total 30 year payments = $23 million, slightly more than if paid monthly.

And the whole thing is still nuts.

10:34 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!
                                                                                                                               
"Math is not my area,  correct me if I'm wrong."

"There's a difference between a mortgage calculator which assumes a monthly payment and a bond payment which is twice a year." 
 
There really isn't much of a difference between monthly payments and semi-annual coupons over the 30-year life of a bond.  The mortgage calculator should be close enough in this case to give us an estimate.
10:30 am est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

"The people who are railing against the creative workspace proposal for the Community Center could have submitted a bid to develop it as housing, but they didn't. Now they're complaining months later that they don't like the options??"

Of course they are. It's just the usual suspects over and over and over again. Kind of like this page.
10:28 am est 

New Beacon....Again.....

While I generally DESPISE the admin of the New Beacon, even a blind pig finds a truffle every so often.  Donald Trump in a ball gag on the cover is spot on and clever.  It has the benefit of also looking a bit like a Provincetown Committee Chairman.  I'll let you guess who!
10:27 am est 

Re: From Wayne

"Your just making my point for me, your terrified that i might soon be in a position to..."

Kill me. You're right.

Best,
Dead Dear
10:26 am est 

Monday, January 23, 2017

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

This is the *third* RFP for the building, and only two proposals we submitted for the final phase - one to support the local economy through workspace for people who live and work here and another for summer dorm housing. ok so if nothing has been finalized behind the scenes, why are they asking the CPA for money for exterior painting of community center? Creative Commons: 46 Bradford St. exterior $160,000
 
7:53 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!
                                         
"Math is not my area,  correct me if I'm wrong."

There's a difference between a mortgage calculator which assumes a monthly payment and a bond payment which is twice a year.
7:51 pm est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

Throwing sour grapes at the TM and the BOS does nothing to help anyone other than the egos of the people doing the throwing.


Sounds like someone on the housing board -
2:16 pm est 

Re: You Missed the Point:

You Missed the Point: there is a Proposal for workforce housing and that is what we need to support our local economy and to support our tourism. there is a huge gap in housing and to have 75 spaces for summer housing is what so many have been asking for. Now it is being proposed and we have a cultural center?? And who is funding this cultural center? Who are the groups behind the groups behind the groups that are proposing this? this is not what we need in Provincetown. We need housing, not a playground for artistic "endeavors"!
 
2:13 pm est 

Re: Creative Workspace Proposal for the Community Center

The people who are railing against the creative workspace proposal for the Community Center could have submitted a bid to develop it as housing, but they didn't. Now they're complaining months later that they don't like the options??

This is the *third* RFP for the building, and only two proposals we submitted for the final phase - one to support the local economy through workspace for people who live and work here and another for summer dorm housing. Whichever is picked will be good for the town. Throwing sour grapes at the TM and the BOS does nothing to help anyone other than the egos of the people doing the throwing.
12:41 pm est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure & Attention to Detail? Listen!

I think It is time the selectmen stop talking only to themselves

and start listening to us and how we see the town and what we believe should happen. then they should talk.

But their actions are terrible. they are a cabal driven by private interests--I don't know what they all happen to be--but they are NOT the interests of the town and residents.

11:29 am est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

Something underhanded is happening in the recreation building deal

There is something dark and hidden. We have no transparency. there is no information publicly presented on the two proposals and nothing in the BOS packet.

I have been hearing of the need for housing till it drives me crazy yet when a proposal for housing is presented, these same advocates of housing are selecting a cultural center? does this make any sense to anyone? Housing is what we need and what we get is----a cultural center?

I am tired of back-door deals and dirty money or dirty tricks being part of town deals. this goes against all the selectmen's past diatribes on housing here, housing there, everywhere a housing need--and it goes against what I hear from town people of what we should be selecting.

Something is wrong and misguided here.
11:16 am est 

From: Wayne Martin

You cowards really make me laugh especially the Provincetown and Truro police personnel, Mark Hatch and Mark Del Franco who using sites like this one take cheap totally unsubstantiated, untrue and defamatory anonymous comments about me. Are you really trying to delegitilmize my arguments by insinuating now that I harvest deer in an other than legal fashion? Your just making my point for me, your terrified that i might soon be in a position to shed light on and to stop the corruption that happens in this town and Truro. It's obvious you'll say and do anything to prevent this from happening and that alone will get me the votes I need to do just that. So keep the lies and innuendos coming, your comments are helping more that any campaign manager could.

Wayne Martin
11:09 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

"Math is not my area,  correct me if I'm wrong."

The monthly total payment (interest and principal) on a zero down, 30 year, 4.5% fixed rate mortgage is $63,336.  Early payments are mostly interest, and later ones are mostly principal. Total payments over the 30 years would be $22.8 million.  Do the calculation yourself here:

http://tcalc.timevalue.com/all-financial-calculators/mortgage-calculators/fixed-rate-mortgage-calculator.aspx

The project is still nutty, even with the correct math. Lost tax revenue, unknown long-term repairs, delinquent renters, evictions, etc. etc.

The worst part may be that the majority of taxpaying residents have lower incomes than the average of the 26 "lucky" renters they will be subsidizing!  And the 26 will be "lucky" only if you believe the selection process will not be biased in favor of friends of those in power. 

Nuts.
11:06 am est 

Re: Attic Fire

What is the status of the attic, ??? we had a serious fire there, and result can still be seen???? Will we need to spend monies to get building usable. I hope someone brings this up tonight.???

Paul C Mendes
10:06 am est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

Is the BOS deliberately ignoring the vote of the people at Town Meeting to sell the community center? We did not vote to keep it and lease it out. The action by the BOS seems to be much more serious that Austin Knight's misstep of perhaps influencing the town vote with signs put up by police. And 5 years ago it was assessed for $1.2 million now it is assessed at $600k. Sell it now before it loses more value!
10:02 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill is a Total Misuse of Rental Housing Trust and Cultural Center Lease Unethical

Does it bother anyone else, that the people deciding the fate of our Community Center aren't even Provincetown Residents? OUR COMMUNITY CENTER'S fate, handed off to Out of Towners to decide. What's the BOS doing? Again, they and the TM decided to lease it REGARDLESS OF THE VOTERS, and now want to distant themselves from giving ("leasing") OUR COMMUNITY CENTER over to the Chair of FINCOM so he can have a play center. Why is the Truro Selectmen deciding? A housing specialist from Up Cape? Is this the way Harbor Hill is going to go to?
8:11 am est 

Re: This is Not the Wayne Martin Show 

In a few months, it could be YOU sitting on that dias, looking like a (dead) deer staring blankly in headlights.

If anyone knows about deer in the headlights, it's Wayne Martin.

8:10 am est 

Special Town Meeting

I don't seem to recall seeing a signed petition requesting a Special Town Meeting. Aren't 200 signatures required to initiate a Special Town Meeting.
 
Maybe I just missed the petition. The Town Clark should  have the signed petition on file.
1:09 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

It is my understanding that the  bank declined the request to fund the Harbor Hill project.
Is this  true? If so, what  was their reason to reject. Why is this a secret?
 
This whole deal is  being prosecuted in the dark. We can't see it, but we can smell it.....an enterprise most foul!  
12:58 am est 

Sunday, January 22, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

What middle to low income taxpayer or imported workers can afford to pay $1500 to $3000 to live here? I would love to know what full time or part time jobs pay well enough for anybody to rent one of these units. No, these units are going to be rented to the well to do for vacation retreats giving no benefits to the average taxpayer whatsoever just the burdon of paying higher taxes to live here!

Wayne Martin
11:21 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill is a Total Misuse of Rental Housing Trust and Cultural Center Lease Unethical

Unless you've been sleeping the Harbor Hill initiative is just a smoke screen so they can have their giant Police station at the VFW site. If the people in this town are dirt stupid enough to go along with it then they deserve every thing they get! Let me spell it out for you, the purchase of that money pit known as Harbor Hill is supposed to appease the residents that are clamoring for housing and as soon as you bite, the proposal will once again be brought forth for the new Police station at the VFW location. They know they can't have a giant police station there and housing both because of the problem with the accesses thats why they kept trying to jam the Winslow Farms property down our throats! This way they get what they want and our taxes go through the roof. Also let us not forget the little present ( the Community Center) our BoS and Mr. TM are giving to the Chair of FinCom for playing ball. These proposals/actions are not only a enormous mistake I beli!
eve they border on criminal. Once again it's time to put a stop to the corruption that runs rampant in our little towns government.

Wayne Martin

11:10 pm est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

The Rec Center is Ours and should be Used for what the town Wants

not what three selectmen and a town manager want for their own odd reasons. the choice of a cultural center over workforce housing reveals some shenanigans over our property. This appears to be an insider deal since there is no valid reason to chose a cultural center over housing for seasonal workers. something is rather fishy and the smell lingers.

this is wrong. this should not be happening. It's time for the silent selectmen to speak up and speak for us!!

If this goes through, maybe it is time for a recall. If they won't listen to reason and won't act in our best interests, then let's get rid of a few of them. Start with one and let our voices be heard--because they are surely not listening to us!
11:06 pm est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

Are We Really Passing up workforce Housing for a cultural center?

don't we need housing. Isn't that what we hear over and over gain. that we need housing and that we need to house our seasonal workers. this has been the mantra.

What's happened? We haven't resolved the need or the crisis and we are a tourist town, so why wouldn't we welcome a chance to have workforce housing that would benefit all businesses?

Are you serious that it is not being selected or approved? Why a cultural center so-called? Why? what dire need would this serve?

We know what we need and we need workforce seasonal housing. this appears to be plain and simple. Isn't it to the five selectmen? Are they really so blind? don't they see what our town really needs?
10:35 pm est 

Re: Town Manager

"Panagore  is having difficulty making ends meet in Town."
 
"really how do you know this and if true- welcome to my world."

The difference is that I suspect you aren't paid $150,000 a year.
10:34 pm est 

To: Wayne Martin

Wayne don't run against Bobby Anthony.  We need you both on the BOS to keep an eye on the police.
10:32 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - BOS Fiasco!

 

Math is not my area,  correct me if I'm wrong.

$12,500,000 over 30 years at 4.5%

$12,500,000 divided by 360 months is $34,722 a month in principal
$12,500,000 times 4.5% is $562,500 in interest a year or $46,875 a month.
That is $81,597 a month for the first month in debt service cost.

For debt service cost to be covered by rents the average rent for the 26 units would have to be $3,138 per unit which is more than the $1,000 to $3,000 Panagore is quoted in the paper.

They are also stating that the $1.5M already in the trust will help cover the debt service costs.  How long will that money last?  Are you planning to use up all that money up leaving nothing in reserves for emergencies?

On top of that where is the money coming for utilities, insurance, taxes, maintenance, property management, repairs, snow removal, etc?

How many local workers are on the waiting list for these units or do we not even know if there is a demand from people who can afford these rents?

I suspect it may take close to a year to finish the repairs and get these units fully  occupied.  The first year's debt service cost of $416,666 in principal and 562,500 in interest will come close to emptying the housing trust in the first year alone.

if I can figure this out how can the tell us the opposite?  Is Kelly Anne Conway involved in calculating these numbers?

10:28 pm est 

Re: This is Not the Wayne Martin Show

 

"Further more why do we as a town bother to take votes? Is it just a formality?"

Wayne. Kinda felt this way about the presidential election. But, hey, you can always ask Russia for help. Just think. In a few months, it could be YOU sitting on that dias, looking like a (dead) deer staring blankly in headlights.

10:24 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill is a Total Misuse of Rental Housing Trust and Cultural Center Lease Unethical

Be careful, be very careful.

The year-round rental housing trust (Tom Donegan) wants us to commit to spending $12.5 million on a property that has not been thoroughly vetted.  *They say the rents will pay the debt service, but have provided nothing to back up that statement.
*is the Town waiving property taxes on this property?  How much will that cost me as a taxpayer?
*who will collect the rents?
*Who will manage the property?  Will they handle the repairs?  How much will that cost?
*Who pays the utilities?
*What is the cost of insurance?
*Who does the maintenance?  What's the cost for that?

Is this a trust us?  We'll figure it out later?   Trust based on what?  This trust has no experience, nothing to base any trust on.

Remember when we were asked to buy Winslow Farms?  We discussed  an almost $2m purchase and voted it down, then were told we had another option for about $1M if we didn't buy the existing house.  They kept that information from us until we said no.  And we are supposed to trust them?

Years ago we voted to sell the community center.  Now they plan to lease it to finance committee and economic development committee members in spite of our direction to sell it?  This reeks of inside dealing, ethical impropriety.  Panagore picks this proposal to help his buddy the FinCom Chair and no one questions this deal?

Trust us?  Based on what?
8:24 pm est 

Re: Vincent Currier

"I'm out of this conversation, it's beneath my level of comprehension" 

Hasn't stopped you before, you sad little man, who has his housing and now wants his art community.
8:22 pm est 

Re: This is Not the Wayne Martin Show

Dear Wayne.  For someone who wants to run for BOS you don't seem super bright.  Over 88% of Provincetown citizens voted for Hillary Clinton.  You now officially do not stand a chance of getting elected.  Too bad, you have a few interesting ideas.
8:20 pm est 

Re: Town Manager

Panagore is having difficulty making ends meet in Town. really how do you know this and if true- welcome to my world.
8:18 pm est 

Re: This is Not the Wayne Martin Show

Don't forget Putin and the FBI
Is it my understanding that there is some people in this town that think Mr. Martin shouldn't have a right to speak because he voted for our president. It's my guess these are the same intolerant, delusional, imbeciles that think it was the intelligence agencies and Putin that got Trump elected not that HRC was a lying, thieving, treasonous candidate right?

We all have a 1st amendment right not just the people that voted Democrat!
8:17 pm est 

Re: This is Not the Wayne Martin Show

WAAH  WAAH Wayne's telling the truth again and screwing our schemes up, LMAO Another anonymous coward wanting to take someone's freedom of speech away.
 
Lets tell people he's a lying crazy criminal maybe they won't believe him. Sorry to tell you I'm not shutting up and I'm not going anywhere! Further more why do we as a town bother to take votes? Is it just a formality? We decided to sell the CC not lease for pocket change to that POS Hatch and his cronies. It's time we take our town back from a totally corrupt town government whose self serving agenda is hurting the taxpayers of this town. You know it's time for serious change when you see cluster F's like Harbor Hill and the CC being proposed as good for us.

Wayne Martin
8:14 pm est 

Re: What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

 

The BOS are voting January 23, 2016 on the future of the Community Center. How tragic that they are disposing of a building that for 4.4 million could create 16 needed brand new year round housing units. What's their rush now? We voted to sell in 2011. Instead, the powers that be are looking to LEASE it to the Chair of FINCOM and his friends for another Art Center. This is a very sad day for housing and our Community Center in Provincetown and a blatant disregard for the Voters wishes on both accounts.

 

4:49 pm est 

What About Full Disclosure re. Cultural Center vs Workforce Housing?

We Need Workforce Housing and Yet the BOS are Going for a Cultural Center???

When we can have 75 Workforce rentals in the new use of the Recreation building and fulfill a business and tourist we need so badly--but no the BOS are gong to choose, instead, a cultural center!!!that is not what we need.

For all the talk by the very selectmen and that Yingling of the need for housing, now they take the cultural center instead of a workforce housing?  this makes no sense and it contradicts what the selectmen have been babbling about for three years. Housing. Housing. Housing.

And now they have a chance to gain 75 workforce housing and instead they chose a cultural center--when we already have many cultural centers here in town. And we have underused town buildings, including the high school, as places where some of this can happen.

And shouldn't the proposal be part of the BOS agenda package for tomorrow night's "decision"? there is nothing there. We have the right to see and examine the tow proposals that have been presented and accepted as viable possibilities. but there is no public listing of this information or who is presenting each option.

And what are the objective criteria that they are using? Or is it, problematically, who you know and who you f---?
Seems so here in Provincetown. Who you know and who you bl--!
2:30 pm est 

Re: This is Not the Wayne Martin Show

Sorry Mr. Webmaster, but this is not the Wayne Martin Show

Enough already. this is not his blog. I am tired of his rants and given his adoration for Trump, and as Madonna said: f--him! He is a political ass and we do not need his usurping this blog as his.
2:27 pm est 

Re: Town Manager

Panagore is having difficulty making ends meet in Town.  He needs to use Town owned car because he can't afford a new car.  Selectmen have given him the approval in spite of the fact it's not part of his compensation.
1:22 pm est 

Re: Community First

No Americans and locals to hire, BS!

Another absolute lie!!! There are a plenty of people that live either in town or nearby that are avaible to work. There also used to be a bunch of college kids that used to come here to work and live for the summer the reason they don't is two fold.  One, when they come here looking for work now all the summer jobs are taken by illegals and foreigners have taken all of them and two, it has become far too expensive to live here because if they are lucky enough to find a job the wages here are a joke because the local businesses know they can hire a foreigner/illegal for far less. These false statements are being made by self serving businesses and or selectmen,  their relatives and fellow board members to get us to support ideas/schemes like Habor Hill so we can pay for their employees to live!

Wayne Martin
1:21 pm est 

Re: Community First

The only problem with hiring Americans to work in Provincetown is there are not enough Americans here to fill the seasonal positions.  Provincetown businesses would happily employ Americans if there were Americans to hire but there are not.  The seasonal positions available are low paying entry level positions that are filled by younger people just starting out.  Years ago there were many families in Provincetown with children who filled these positions when they were in high school or college.  Provincetown no longer has many younger people around which is the reason the high school was closed many years ago.  This is the same situation in towns and cities across the country that have seasonal, tourist-based economies like Provincetown.  Local businesses place help wanted ads in newspapers and online only to find there are not enough people responding.  The only way seasonal businesses can survive is by employing foreign workers because Americans are not intereste!
d in these positions.  Without these foreign worker programs many businesses will be forced to close.
11:01 am est 

Wayne Martin Observation

The demonstrations and rioting at the inauguration and around the U.S. is without a doubt the single largest showing of disrespect for our country, our flag and democracy that has ever been!!!
And the protesters stood together, watching the show, puzzling and puzzling, how could it be so? It came without Madonna. It came without Cher. It came with out the Hollywood elite being there. And they puzzled and puzzled `til their puzzlers were sore. What if the Presidential Inauguration doesn't come from a super fan store? What if the Presidential Inauguration, perhaps, means a little bit more?-

Wayne Martin
11:01 am est 

Community First

Not a Trump voter nor a fan of the man, but there's one thing he's proposed that I agree with. Hire American. And we should start right here in Provincetown. I know I'm not the only one in town who has been silently watching as more and more local jobs go to foreigners. Go sit down at any restaurant in the summer and it's more than likely the owner is American, the servers are Eastern European, the kitchen staff are Jamaican and the guys who painted the building are Mexican.
 
More and more foreigners show up every year. They're already posting on Facebook looking for housing and jobs for next summer. I'm sorry, but this is not the Provincetown I came to know and love 30 years ago. Young people used to come here for the summer and get a houseboy job and wait tables at night. They could make a little money and have a fun summer. Many chose to stay and make this town their home.
 
What we have now is a bunch of rich white business owners with a bunch of foreign SERVANTS, plain and simple. People have been whispering about it for years, and it's time to just call it what it is. Provincetown is beginning to look alarmingly like the antebellum south.

I believe in treating others as equals, I don't believe we should deport people or build a wall, but I do believe we should try to hire locals and Americans before outsourcing. There are still plenty of Americans who come for the summer looking for jobs, only to find they've already been filled by Bulgarians.

How are we supposed to build our dwindling year round population and community when we are basically hiring temp workers who are gonna be on the first plane out of here come September? Yeah, I know it's cheap labor and good for the business owners, but maybe it's time we think about the greater good and longevity of the town.

I know this letter will be met by angry responses, mostly from wealthy business owners who don't want to lose their cheap summer labor. They'll call me racist, a Trump supporter, republican, etc. None of these things are true. I'm a life-long liberal democrat who sees a growing problem in my town. I believe in taking care of our community. Taking care of our own.
9:09 am est 

To: Wayne Martin

Trump acted the way he did and it worked for him, telling it like it is and not caring. He won the election but lots and lots of people, most of Provincetown especially, don't like him. The local elections are coming up and I do think you have a legitimate shot at selectman but you have to calm down. Stop answering every post that has your name in it and focus more on questioning the ongoings at town hall, especially the decisions the selectmen are making (Harbor Hill for instance, what a fiasco!) You'll be running against both Bobby Anthony and Raf Richter, neither of which are stellar in their latest actions. Focus on one and take that one out. Focus focus focus. Let the small stuff slide and pay attention closely. You'll do fine.

Now lets see if you pass your first test and NOT respond to this post.
12:36 am est 

Saturday, January 21, 2017

From: Wayne Martin

Note to administrators please place my posts on this site as written.
The last one wasn't formatted and it had changes in it thank you

Wayne Martin
6:25 pm est 

Dan Rather - on point. So it begins...

"Of the nearly 20 inaugurations I can remember, there has never been one that felt like today. Not even close. Never mind the question of the small size of the crowds, or the boycott by dozens of lawmakers, or even the protest marches slated for tomorrow across the country. Those are plays upon the stage. What is truly unprecedented in my mind is the sheer magnitude of quickening heartbeats in millions of Americans, a majority of our country if the polls are to be believed, that face today buffeted within and without by the simmering ache of dread.

I have never seen my country on an inauguration day so divided, so anxious, so fearful, so uncertain of its course.
I have never seen a transition so divisive with cabinet picks so encumbered by serious questions of qualifications and ethics.
I have never seen the specter of a foreign foe cast such a dark shadow over the workings of our democracy.
I have never seen an incoming president so preoccupied with responding to the understandable vagaries of dissent and seemingly unwilling to contend with the full weight and responsibilities of the most powerful job in the world.
I have never seen such a tangled web of conflicting interests.

Despite the pageantry of unity on display at the Capitol today, there is a piercing sense that we are entering a chapter in our nation's evolving story unlike one ever yet written. To be sure, there are millions of Donald Trump supporters who are euphoric with their candidate's rise. Other Trump voters have expressed reservations, having preferred his bluster to his rival's perceived shortcomings in the last election, but admitting more and more that they are not sure what kind of man they bestowed the keys to the presidency. The rest of America - the majority of voters - would not be - and indeed is not - hesitant in sharing its conclusions on the character and fitness of Donald Trump for the office he now holds.

The hope one hears from even some of Donald Trump's critics is that this moment might change him. Perhaps, as he stood there on a grey, drab, January day, reciting the solemn oath of office demanded by our Constitution, as he looked out across what Charles Dickens once called the "city of magnificent intentions", he would somehow grasp the importance of what he was undertaking. Perhaps he would understand that he must be the president of all the United States, in action as well as in word. Perhaps, but there has already been so much past that is prologue.

There is usually much fanfare around inaugural addresses. They are also usually forgotten - with some notable exceptions. I think today will be remembered, not so much for the rhetoric or the turns of phrase but for the man who delivered them and the era they usher us forth.

Mr. Trump's delivery was staccato and there was very little eye contact as he seemed to be reading carefully from a teleprompter. His words and tone were angry and defiant. He is still in campaign mode and nary a whiff of a unifying spirit. There was little or nothing of uplift - the rhetoric of Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy, or Reagan. We heard a cavalcade of slogans and one liners, of huge promises to "bring back" an America - whatever that really means to many who look at our history and see progress in our current society.

The speech started with a message of an establishment in Washington earning riches on the back of struggling families across the country. It was an odd note, considering the background of many of his cabinet picks. President Trump painted a very dark picture of the current state of our nation, beset by gangs and drugs and violence, regardless of what the data shows. His words swelled with his economic populism and the nationalism of "America first." The applause was sparse, and I imagine many more being turned off, even sickened, rather than inspired by what our new President had to say. President Obama looked on with an opaque poker face. 
One could only imagine what he was thinking.

It bears remembering that one never can predict the arc of a presidency. It is an office that is far too often shaped by circumstance well beyond its occupant's control. Those challenges, wherever and however they may rise, now will fall on the desk of President Trump. We can only see what will happen. We hope, for the security and sanctity of our Republic, that Mr. Trump will respond to the challenges with circumspection and wisdom. Today's rhetoric was not reassuring.

Our democracy demands debate and dissent - fierce, sustained, and unflinching when necessary. I sense that tide is rising amongst an opposition eager to toss aside passivity for action. We are already seeing a more emboldened Democratic party than I have witnessed in ages. It is being fueled by a fervent energy bubbling from the grassroots up, rather than the top down.

These are the swirling currents about our ship of state. We now have a new and untested captain. His power is immense, but it is not bestowed from a divinity on high. It is derived, as the saying goes, from the consent of the governed. That means President Trump now works for us - all of us. And if he forgets that, it will be our duty to remind him."

4:42 pm est 

Re: Things to Come?

Sorry but people need to worry more about the nonsense in this town with this Harbor Hill fiasco than something that may never happen in Washington.
4:12 pm est 

Things to Come?

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
 
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
 
3:16 pm est 

Re: "So Foul a Sky Cannot Clear Without a Storm"

"Some would read this as a call to violence. Please be careful."  
 
 
You Need to Better Understand a Poetic Line

A fool's interpretation is what I see. Fantasy and poor thinking leads to your rather ignorant interpretation.
12:58 pm est 

Wayne Martin to Re: Wayne Martin
 
"Wayne. I think you mean inception. Unless...never mind. I must say you are a smaller, albeit scrappy version of President Trump. Tilting at every windmill, delusional and overbearing."  
 
To answer some of the comments about me Obviously you haven't been reading the previous posts, one of which where some anonymous twit made a comment about me knowing the police station so well because they have been reading police reports about me. So how is stating that I have no record slandering myself? That just plain don't make sense. I thank you for your support but I am not ashamed in the least voting for Trump to be our 45 president. After all he won against staggering odds and with everything stacked against him. Besides I believe that most people support me for telling the truth and speaking my mind we don't always have to agree on everything. I'm just Wayne being Wayne I don't know any other way and it's not in me to be an ass kiss phony. Inception, conception,tomato tomāto, to answer your question about how my ancestors got along with our Native American brothers, I would have liked to think we lived side by side in peace but there's no way of me really knowing. The one to ask about that is Elizabeth Warren I understand she's somewhat of an expert on the subject, LMAO
 
12:54 pm est 

Friday, January 20, 2017

To: Wayne Martin

Wayne I'm in favor of you for our next selectman just please don't talk about Trump anymore...stick to local politics and get your campaign in order.
11:36 pm est 

Underwear On Sculpture Heads

I hope the Police have removed the the 2 pair of pink upside down underwear on the heads of 2 sculpture pieces on the Lawn of the Provincetown Public Library!! The famous Artist wouldn't appreciate his work being defaced with pink draws or dunce caps! The culprits should be found & penalized! Deplorable!
11:35 pm est 

To: Wayne Martin

"I think it's you that should leave if you have a problem with that not only you don't belong in mine and my families home town which we have been here since its conception..."

Wayne. I think you mean inception. Unless...never mind. I must say you are a smaller, albeit scrappy version of President Trump. Tilting at every windmill, delusional and overbearing.

But what I'm really wondering, Wayne, is since your family has been here so looooonnnnng....did they have anything to do with the destruction of the native keepers of this land? You know, willfully driving the Indians into Cape Cod Bay to drown? Not such a wonderful legacy, is it.
11:32 pm est 

To: Wayne Martin

Who said anything about police reports or arrests, Wayne?  I think you're slandering yourself.
11:30 pm est 

Re: Vincent Currier

Vince takes the cake again,  post his opinion about a deceased friends struggle, on a public forum, then wants to name the Harbor Hole after her.
11:29 pm est 

An Observation

oh brother.. the community page is nauseatingly dramatic
11:27 pm est 

"So Foul a Sky Cannot Clear Without a Storm"

Some would read this as a call to violence. Please be careful. 

If you don't like our President, as many don't, feel free to do all those non-violent things that are possible from political opponents in our free country. Do not call for violence, even vaguely or obliquely.

11:26 pm est 

Women's March of Provincetown

Women's March of Provincetown then o'clock at the Johnson Street parking Lot and marching through town. Join in the March! Saturday at 10 o'clock!!
11:24 pm est 

It is A Sad Day for America!!

A terrible day with ramifications that will reverberate for years--if we are still here in a four months. with the small-fingered vulgarian having the red button and his temper and thin-skin, times will be dangerous and rough for us all--yes, even you who voted for this  maniac!
10:42 am est 

Re: Town Manager

I would suggest that you inquire at the town hall as to whether the town car is in the town managers contract. It IS after all public knowledge. Many town positions allow use of town cars (OR the town pays per-diem for use of a personal vehicle, a more-expensive option) Many of the complaints on this page can be solved with inquiring to the proper channels.
10:06 am est 

Police Reports, HA!

The Provincetown and Truro police reports read more like fiction in most cases. All one has to do is look at the conviction rate and how many of these two towns criminal cases have been dismissed with prejudice. Look into the exorbitant legal fees these two towns have accrued over the past several years because of lawsuits against police personnel. Who pays for  all this we do the tax payers of Provincetown and Truro, no not the police and the members of town government that are responsible for them! That's why in many cities and towns police are made to carry their own liability insurance so the cost of their misdeeds are not the taxpayers burdon to bear! Yeah reading a police report in these two towns is like depending on CNN to get your news from.
10:05 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - Yingling and Donegan Fiasco

I am missing something when it comes to Harbor Hill. If it has 27 units and Yingling wants us to come up with another 12.5 million in addition to the 1.5 million that we already have, that's about 500,000/unit. Why not buy 3 or 4 one bedroom units now and manage those first. I have not seen or heard of any application process in place to fill 27 units. This is so idiotic.
10:02 am est 

Re: VFW What's Happening - Point of Order
 
"The VFW building is being used by Coastal Study's while their own building is being repaired. And before shouting that down, this is a courtesy that Coastal study's extended to the town when the town hall was being renovated."  

We rented trailers and put them in the skate park parking lot to house Town Hall staff and to conduct Town Hall business in. I don't know where the Center for Coastal Studies came into that. That building should have been offered to the VFW for the same $1.00 the CCS leased it for! Once again half truths by anonymous jellyfish.

Wayne Martin
9:58 am est 

From: Wayne Martin

To the person that wants me out of town, Do you mean the stuff I repost exercising my 1st amendment right in support of our president Donald Trump?!?!  I think it's you that should leave if you have a problem with that not only you don't belong in mine and my families home town which we have been here since its conception, you don't belong in our country either!
 
Wayne Martin
9:57 am est 

From: A Rat in the Basement

what am I referring to? read the post at 743 p.m. on 1-17-17.

A Rat In The Basement
9:54 am est 

From: Wayne Martin

Again more slanderous lies about me and more lies about the condition the police station is in by anonymous cowards. Which I am still surprised that the administrator of the blog lets continue. You notice that this coward does not touch on any incontrovertible points, just ignorant comments and lies. If you must know you pathetic spineless worm I was there talking to the detective about an ongoing problem I've been having with prank block numbered calls. Once again I will state that I have NO, ZERO, ZILCH CRIMINAL RECORD NOT EVEN A MISDEMEANOR!,
unless you count moving violations which I can't remember the last time I got one of those. I don't drink, smoke or do any drugs either. So what do wet brains do when they have nothing legitimate to say, they lie and make slanderous comments behind a veil of anonymity.
 
Wayne Martin 
9:54 am est 

Thursday, January 19, 2017

Re: New Provincetown Beacon

I can't believe the stuff this guy gets away with publishing on Facebook.  Racist, Donald Trump propaganda and a screed against the women marching on Washington.  Provincetown is no place for this man.
6:33 pm est 

To: Wayne Martin

Yes Wayne, we know you're familiar with every single part of the Police Station.  We read the reports.
4:58 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Police Station

 

I toured the police station and I was appalled at the mess police are operating..... A pull down  attic ladder to access records , people walking over boxes everywhere because of lack of storage. Call me a liar if you want but I callit like I see it, a mess!

4:56 pm est 

Re: Town Manager

Town Manager using a parking department car as his personal vehicle?
Interesting.
4:32 pm est 

Empty Husks With Money

What a pitiful collection of empty husks with money aplenty and not a soul in sight. Change purses where their cajones should be, and so self-absorbed they see nothing beyond their own tightly-clutched billfolds and excessive prejudices...I feel sorry for you, but not sorry enough to interfere when Trump and his storm troopers come after you....
3:02 pm est 

From: Wayne Martin Re: Provincetown Police Department

I don't know who is posting about the conditions of the PPD saying that it is make shift and they don't have proper evidence storage.... but it is a lie! You notice that these people never put their names to their posts mainly because they're all self serving BS!!! I have walked through this station from top to bottom and can assure you that it is perfectly adequate for their needs ( not wants, NEEDS! ). It may not be a giant state of the art police station but then again we don't need one for our tiny town with little to no real crime, do we? I will remind everyone that we voted to give them 3 million to do renovations and they threw it back in our faces like so many two year olds that didn't get their way. Now that being said there're several fine upstanding young officers that work for the PPD that deserve our respect but are being hindered from doing their jobs and for filling their oaths to uphold the constitution and to serve and protect everybody equally. Th!
is is being done by a corrupt Chief and several of the senior staff ( that are constantly being sued ) and by a BoS and TM that refuse to do anything about it. They without question should have been given their walking papers along with the last Chief of Police because they were all just as complicit and guilty as he was. We have spent more on the several different plans-scemes for a new police station than the DPW has asked for
in total. Now I ask you does that seem right to anyone?

Wayne Martin
3:00 pm est 

Re: VFW What's Happening

The VFW building is being used by Coastal Study's while their own building is being repaired. And before shouting that down, this is a courtesy that Coastal study's extended to the town when the town hall was being renovated. Just a little thank-you from the town.
2:57 pm est 

Re: Failure in Governance 
 
Weed is legal why the blackout?
11:41 am est 

Obvious Common Sense

When are we going to start talking about allocating monies to the DPW? They have been asking for a meager $200,000 for a simple no frills metal building to properly store and maintain town owned vehicles and equipment for several years now. Never mind they are working out of POS building in deplorable conditions. Who does more for this town than them? Who does more to keep it looking good and running smoothly? Nobody that's who! Ever since the DPW-PPD joint compound was shot down nobody has given the hard working men and women of the DPW a second thought. Forget about spending 12 million + on a POS of a building that will not benefit any of us taxpayers or 10 million on a extravagant police station, try giving the DPW the monies they need  ( not want, NEED! ) to extend the life of
and keep town owned property both working and looking good. Try doing a walk through of the buildings they are working out of if you want to see deplorable conditions. The police station that I was just in two days ago looks like Trump Tower compared to the DPW facilities.

Wayne Martin
11:37 am est 

Re: Failure in Governance

Gordon J Siegel keep getting the truth out there! Richter and Yingling smoking way too much        and Panagore on a contact stupidity high.
 

11:34 am est 

Re: VFW What's Happening

DOes anyone know if the "old VFW building is being used now & for what? Cars are often in the Parking Lot behind there now! Lights are on in the various rooms & people seen moving about! Are they satellite offices?Used by whom?
11:31 am est 

Re: Provincetown Police Station

"What the building had been before it was re purposed is totally irrelevant."

No it is not irrelevant at all. Clearly you don't understand how 'leaders' in Provincetown most everything - half assed and with a lot of drama. There was no repurposing - more like makeshift.
11:27 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill - Panagore a Total Incompetent

New Jersey has Bridgegate and Christie; we have Harborhill Gate and Panagore
 
11:26 am est 

Re: Provincetown Police Station

If the police are using a body elevator to store arms and an uninsulated attic as an evidence storage area and holding cells that fill with water and a garage for a pet holding area and a public reception area the size of a closet, then I don't think a funeral parlor makes a good police station.
11:23 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - Yingling and Donegan Fiasco

Good point! 12.5 million for market rate rentals. If we sign up for this we can say goodbye to affordables for the next 25 years. Careful what you vote for.
9:14 am est 

Re: Provincetown Police Station

"We need a real police station not an adapted funeral home."

Might be more helpful if you could explain why it is not a "real" police station?  I saw police staff working in it.  Some people live in converted warehouses and even churches.  Does that mean that they are not "real" homes?  How about the Ice House?  I think what we "need" s a facility that will allow the department to perform it's duties efficiently and with some degree of comfort.  What the building had been before it was re purposed is totally irrelevant.
9:13 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - Yingling and Donegan Fiasco

TWELVE AND A HALF MILLION
$12,500,000.00

Over $12,500,000.00 for just one item..and then there is the cost of the school and all of the other budget bills that will come up at town meeting.

Provincetown is just too expensive. Housing Advocates have the eye, ear and purse of Provincetown and nothing else matters.

Remember the police station? Sure, let the town buy housing for other people--but to hell with our employees of the town.

Boy, my $13.00 an hour job is really going to give me the high life in this town.
8:50 am est 

Wednesday, January 18, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust - Yingling and Donegan Fiasco

The Board of Selectmen asked Seamen's Bank to finance the purchase of Harbor Hill 
and they said NO! If a bank says No, then the town voters should say NO!

This question should be posed to the Board of Selectmen at the the public meeting on Thursday.
11:08 pm est 

Re: Where is the Puppet Master? We Miss You!

You know, I could really appreciate some of that old time puppet soaked lingo that used to poison MYPACC. The guy who used to post about the puppet master (Sharon) puppetizering the Cabal, who would then puppetizerize the officials, who would ignore the will of the townspeople. Or maybe it was the Cabal manipulating Sharon first. Anyway, there are some damn creepy things afoot, stuff that absolutely surpasses any of the previously misguided politics/decisions of the Provincetown BOS. Puppet whisperer, where are you?
10:49 pm est 

Another Casualty in the Treasurer's Office

This is great, another casualty in the Treasurer's office, probably yelled at by the Town Manager, so now who is going to manage this insane proposed purchase!

Stop the insanity!
9:27 pm est 

Re: An Observation

"A real man wouldn't need a women to tell him to donate the money back to the community."
 
Rat, what am I missing here? what are you referring to  
9:25 pm est 

An Observation

A real man wouldn't need a women to tell him to donate the money back to the community. He would have done it on his own. No matter how he had been treated by the BOS.
 
A Rat In The Basement
6:29 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Beacon - Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Wow, on Malarkey Markey's Provincetown Beacon page, he's trying to drum up comments about the HH 12 million override. Crickets. Look to this page to really find out what the people are thinking.
6:27 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

$12,000,000.00 LANDLORD HEADACHE

Yes, there is a housing problem in Provincetown just as tehre is in cities across this great land of ours. No one can understand what it is to be a landlord unless they have been a landlord.

As a landlord--I know what is involved and there is no town organization that is set up to be the landlord. The taxpayers all can't have a say in the running of it--but they are paying for it--WE TAXPAYERS ARE THE OWNERS.

The favoritism, the evictions if they need to happen, the damage to units, the repairs the criminal behavior that might need to be addressed--who is going to be in charge?

What about insurance? This is a $12,000,000.00 boondogle.

Some of us remember the Cape End Manor that the town owned. This is the problem with the town. There is no institutional knowledge of the history of the town when it was a landlord.

Beware, taxpayers--BEWARE.
4:56 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

The town should not be the owner/landlord of Harbor Hill.
A real estate developer should buy the project and the town can designate a certain number of units as set aside as affordable as a stipulation to the purchase and sale agreement. It should be professionally managed by a property management company with the resources to make sure it is properly maintained. As a year resident and tax payer I would never vote to have a budget override for this kind of commercial real estate endeavor. I also agree that the police do in fact need a new station. Although we happily have a very low crime rate in town their facility is very outdated and an appropriate sized facility should be planned and built with the next 3-5 years. Mindful spending is very important and together we should all support common sense projects that benefit our residents.
3:53 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

12.5 Million Dollar Over-ride:

Is this a One time Over-ride specifically for this Harbor Hill Deal or does it live on with subsequent budgets each of the following years?
2:21 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

#12,500,000.00 AND COUNTING

Are we taxpayers have already spent millions of tax payer money on affordable housing. Now the powers that be that want their own housing want the taxpayer to fork over over #12,000,000.00 and more for repairs down the road.

Wake up Taxpayers. Is this the type of private community set apart and left to their own devices that you want to encourage? Really? What is the true population going to look like?

There are people banned from winter rentals. I don't know where they gather, but we had two who ruined a unit. And another one who destroyed an apartment. And the police were involved quite often.

Beware, my friends. There are organizations that are helping people already. There are section 8 folks living throughout the town in houses that are part of the community.

That $12,000,000 could buy over 12 multi family homes. Yes, we have a housing problem--like all of America does from Boston to San Francisco. Only Provincetown is putting it on the back of the taxpayers.

It is time to vote no. Finally, stop the madness and vote NO.
2:19 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Town Manager says $1,200,000 will cover all costs but members of the Realty Trust say they expect to use "free Cash" or the "airBNB tax to cover expected shortfalls in running the trust. Who is telling the truth!!!!!
 
1:34 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

12.5 Million!!!Really, Voters Will Approve This???

The BOs have really lost it. they think and believe that the voters are gong to approve an over-ride of 12.5 Million for the harbor hill condos?

They must live in a land of fantasy. This is rather nonsensical.
12:16 pm est 

Erik Yinling & Tom Donegan Two Screw Ups!

$12.5 million dollars. How to take a program that most of us were behind and mess it up. Erik Yingling and Tom Donegan continue to screw up everything they touch.
12:14 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Police Station

Yes it is respect. We need a real police station not an adapted funeral home. Every town on the cape has made this necessary investment and as we fiddle around costs go up and up. We just stick our head in the sand and chase after nonsense projects like more arts venues and Harbor Hill a ignore what is truly needed.
10:20 am est 

Re: Formula Business By-law - CVS

"CVS in the business district & maybe a smaller Walmart (where people can by what isn't sold here anymore) isn't such a bad idea!" 
 
Yah, it is a bad idea!! Anything that CVS would sell is already available in town.  No store like Walmart would ever come to such a place with such a small population.  Much of the country and most of the world does not have a CVS or Walmart within walking distance.  They survive, so can we.

Maybe you can tell us what you like about town and if those things can be preserved or simply discarded in favor of convenience and profit.  Tourism is our only real business now-a-days.  They don't come because we look like everyplace else in the country. 
9:33 am est 

Re: Provincetown Poliice Station

"Either we respect the police or we don't."

So spending $$ on a new station that we may not need is respect? 
9:17 am est 

Re: Panagore - Hopeless in Comparison

"I do miss seeing Jaran running and walking our streets. Can't say that many other Chiefs look that good!"

We paid him for that?  A blow-up doll is cheaper.
9:14 am est 

Re: Town Planner - Fiasco

Can anyone name something the planner has been involved with that has turned out well or better yet been completed?
9:13 am est 

Panagore - Hopeless in Comparison

I never thought I'd say I miss Sharon Lynn but I really do. Panagore is a big bag of hot air that has accomplished absolutely NOTHING! As far as Jaran returning money? That's laughable after all Donagan and Yingling did to him. He deserves every penny at our expense because of such incompetent selectmen. I do miss seeing Jaran running and walking our streets. Can't say that many other Chiefs look that good!
8:54 am est 

Re: Formula Business By-law - CVS

Can't wait to see the mess a CVS will cause if it is allowed at Riley's. If the town can't even manage to deal with the construction at Tedeschi's just imagine the shit show that will occur if CVS comes to town.
8:51 am est 

Tuesday, January 17, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

"Let Harbor Hill go to a developer. Town will get 5 or 6 affordable units, the real estate tax back to us and no bighead aches of managing and repairing 26 units . WIN-WIN!!!! A few of the units with water views are worth at least a million."

TOTALLY AGREE!   THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT I'VE READ IN A WHILE.   THE ONLY REASON THE TOWN WANTS TO BID ON THIS IS BECAUSE THE COUSINS AND TD WANT TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT HOUSING.   UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE ZERO EXPERIENCE, AND HAVE ALREADY F'D UP THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND VFW.   LEAVE THE REAL ESTATE TO THE EXPERTS, AND TELL THE BOS TO FOCUS THEIR ENERGY ON CURB CUTS.
11:05 pm est 

Panagore - Hopeless in Comparison

Pretty damn sure Sharon Lynn will never get Jaran to refund a single penny. And pretty sure  from his FB posts that Jaran has the last laugh.  C'mon Panagore, at least , Sharon got s...t done. Look where we are now. Community Center. VFW.  CVS  The big Blue chair! And at least Jaran was easy on the eyes. Miss seeing him jogging shirtless down Commercial. Better then than now.
10:35 pm est 

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

Just Get rid of These Barriers'

If sidewalks come later, then let that be. But these barriers are just ugly and need to be gone. It is the town's responsibility to remove these barriers. they stuck them there and it is a misplaced town planner's trial test.

Sorry, kid, you failed once again.

Bow-tie man, do something, won't you? You are in power even if you don't know what to do with it.
10:33 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill et Panagore

Panagore will get to it after he finishes the weather report. Say what? A possible squall next Friday? Forget Harbor Hill, and damn the torpedoes!
10:29 pm est 

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

All that land belongs to the Owners of that property, and not the town. Watts Mobile owned all of that years ago. What the town (I.E. planning board) is attempting to do is remove the owners curb-cut, as it existed for years. That is not something the property owner should, or would do without a fight. It limits the future use of the property, and lowers it's value.
7:45 pm est 

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

According to the corporate office of 7 Eleven it is the Town of Provincetown that is preventing them from moving forward with the completion of the construction project. Bring back Sharon Lynn. Maybe she could even get Jeff Jaran to refund some of the money Yingling and Donegan lost us in one of their many screw ups.
7:43 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Poliice Station

Lets get over this Harbor Hill crap and focus on our police station. Either we respect the police or we don't. That ridiculous funeral home is an embarrassment to this town......10 years already ...sheesh!
6:15 pm est 

Re: Formula Business By-law - CVS

It will take a while for the CVS and Walmart that you want to become a reality.  In the meanwhile why don't you just move somewhere that already has these fine establishments and leave us alone?  That way we can retain the character and beauty of our small town and you can enjoy all the chain stores you want.
5:30 pm est 

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

"Most of the Jersey barriers at Tedeschi's are on Town Property, what should be sidewalks."

IF this is true, great.  But, I have not seen a plan of the street layout.  If it is town property it would be nice to install sidewalks with some nice trees.  These could be used to control the entrance and exit. Maybe they are now working on a plan and will wait for better weather to do it.  Lets hope.
9:42 am est 

Re: Formula Business By-law - CVS

Now people are concerned,as posted,"about issues involving historic character & the village character" of Provincetown,all the while the small houses were allowed to be enlarged or replaced by too large trophy home styles!! CVS in the business district & maybe a smaller Walmart (where people can by what isn't sold here anymore) isn't such a bad idea!
9:40 am est 

Monday, January 16, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

"The Board of Selectmen may have an ace in the hole in their bid for Harbor Hill." 
 
Oh, How You Pick and Choose from the formula business by-law

It is much more complicated than you have presented. there are many issues involved and they affect the historic character of the town and the village character and so much more.

Let the boards decide. We did vote for a by-law that has power and that can regulate the use of land and of buildings. Otherwise--sir--it never would have been accepted by the attorney general. But it was!! and thus it has power if---properly interpreted and properly presented.

this is not what we need. It is a violation of all that we represent and care about and hold dear. And the by-law presents our arguments against in quite legally-couched terms.  We have the right and the power to regulate land use.
10:39 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Let Harbor Hill go to a developer. Town will get 5 or 6 affordable units, the real estate tax back to us and no bighead aches of managing and repairing 26 units . WIN-WIN!!!! A few of the units with water views are worth at least a million.

8:21 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Ace in The Hole

The Board of Selectmen may have an ace in the hole in their bid for Harbor Hill.

The property is currently assessed as a commercial property since it is a time share.

Section 4010 (Conversion Bylaw), which has never been tested in the past ten years since its adoption, despite many oversights or acquiescence by town regulatory authorities, could potentially cause 20% or more of the condos to be deemed afforded housing, thus depressing the market value of the units, since the propery would be converted from commercial to residential use, triggering application of this bylaw.

This is the strategy which the town may use in its bid which Richter and Donnegan obliquely referenced in their Banner op-ed.

At some point, this strategy will need to be disclosed before town voters in order to understand the town's below market value bid.

At this time, developers are looking at this project as a once in a lifetime opportunity, 26 units which could not be created today, unless 40B was applied for and minimum of 30% 0f units were affordable.

So, town counsel, what is the opinion on change of use, Section 4010?

2:12 pm est 

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

 

Most of the Jersey barriers at Tedeschi's are on Town Property, what should be sidewalks. The Planning Board stepped in and forced Tedeschi's to install the barrier. The Town Manager needs to do his job and remove those barriers and replace them with sidewalks. The Planning Board dropped the ball. Do your job Town Manager.

2:09 pm est 

Re: Formula Business By-law - CVS

People think we can prevent "chain stores" from opening in Provincetown just because we want to. That is called "restraint of trade" and is illegal. You cannot "zone out" chain stores.
 
Then people say "we have a formula business by-law so we can keep them out"...wrong.

Here is the ONLY criteria that the ZBA can consider for a forumla business. They are allowed by special permit in res3,resb, tcc and gc districts.

(3) Regulated Uses
The proposed use of any building or
structure for a Formula Business establishment shall require
both a Special Permit from the Zoning Board of Appeals and a site plan approval of the Planning
Board as well as the business license. The impact
on the neighborhood and Town visual character of
any Formula Business establishment shall be a criteria
for approval.  

The impact on the neighborhood that must be addressed are safety, hazard or environmental degredation.

That's it.
Having a CVS at Riley's would effect none of these.
10:28 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Seems the brokers in town are circling the wagons to prevent the town from buying Harbor Hill like they came together to block the condo conversion plan. 26 condo units would certainly be a coup for a broker to sell and it would give the town a huge boost in real estate taxes that might help with affordable housing rather than the market rate apartments that few could afford... $1,200-$2,600 a month is a lot for people in this town  but that's the market rate in Barnstable county.
10:25 am est 

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

"He has so little power that he can't remove them? Really?"

They are on private property. If they violate any law or code he can and should do something.  But do they.  Ugly very much so.  Illegal?
10:23 am est 

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

"I wonder if the state could get involved in forcing the town to deal with those barriers in front of Tedeschis? It seems that those barriers create a road hazard and the Town Manager has not been properly doing his job."

Agreed that the barriers are ugly.  Road hazard?  How?  Not a state road so no jurisdiction.  There got to be a better way to control entrances and exits. But state could not care less. 
10:22 am est 

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

I wonder if the state could get involved in forcing the town to deal with those barriers in front of Tedeschis? It seems that those barriers create a road hazard and the Town Manager has not been properly doing his job.
8:37 am est 

Sunday, January 15, 2017

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

If it Takes Brining Back Sharon Lynn to Get Those Ugly Barriers Away from Tedeschi's

then let's do it. what is wrongwith Panagore?What does
it take after five months to get these ridiculous barriers removed? He has so little power that he can't remove them? Really?

Can anyone answer? they do not make this place safer and I'd rather a Sharon Lynn than a bow-tied Panagore that seems in capable of doing ---anything!
5:46 pm est 

Re: Formula Business By-law - CVS

Please do not allow a CVS to open here.  Our town has changed so much from the fishing village, to the art colony to the gay mecca and now into a resort, but at least all that time Provincetown has  always been unique and one of the things that makes it that way is no chain stores and lots of local businesses that visitors find charming.  PLEASE this is something we can do something about with very little cost or energy.  If you feel you so badly need a cvs please consider living somewhere  else!!  Lets at least hold on to what makes us special.
8:53 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill

I just attended the open house at Harbor Hill.  The condition of the interior of the apartments was better than I expected. However, all of the appliances (stove, refrigerator, dishwasher,microwave and clothes washer/dryer)later.  Also wood shingles on the exterior walls and roof are cupping terribly and some roof shingles are totally missing.  I also notice two of the exterior staircases are not level but sloping away from the building.
If the Town is successful in purchasing this property, the bills will be never ending.
8:51 am est 

Re: Airb'n'B Tax

"The Gov's new Airb'n'B tax is proposed for only those renting for 5 months of the year..."


Well this will make the newly appointed Housing trust found member Rob Anderson happy.
8:49 am est 

Re: Airb'n'B Tax

Our governor is not trying to help Cape towns. He is protecting friends who rent their properties. This 5 month rental requirement before taxing is just for show...no help at all.
8:47 am est 

Saturday, January 14, 2017

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

Yes it's time for the Town Manager to take some action towards those Jersey barriers in front of Tedeschi's, it has been almost a year. Manage the entire town because it's starting to look like sh...
9:19 am est 

Re: Formula Business By-law

I don't want a CVS here in Provincetown for all the reasons mentioned below.  We do not need it and I will not support it when it is built and it most certainly will be approved by town officials, just wait and see.
9:05 am est 

Friday, January 13, 2017

Being Placed on Notice

The last day of July or first of August (I can't currently recall) a kayak was taken from the yard I had on consent street ... the person who took it was given permission by the owner to take the kayak (area code of person who took it is 505) but that owner then reported the kayak having been "stolen" or illegal given away by me to both employees, coworkers and police ... the police then came to my door asking about it ... at this point I haven't yet decided if i wish to report this person and the evidence I have of them actually giving it away to the police but I am sending this out so that the individual that did nothing wrong might be alerted in case after my contemplation I decide that's the route I should take that they be aware as the conversation I had does have their full number I am sure they will be contacted if so
6:56 pm est 

Re: Airb'n'B Tax

The Gov's new Airb'n'B tax is proposed for only those renting for 5 months of the year.....Sounds like he's skirting the vacation rentals . This means P'town is going to lose as well as all other summer places that have a 3 month season. No help for us!
6:54 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

If the Housing trust buys Harbor Hill for market rate rental apartments , affordables are going to take a back seat for a couple of decades or more until that $10-15 million is paid off. If you support affordable units in town do you want to give it up for market rates with parking and great views? Think about it!
6:50 pm est 

Re: Formula Business By-law

So do not support the real estate companies that are part of the huge chains like Coldwell Banker, Sotherby's and all the rest just use the independents. Say no to chains! Keep mom and pop alive in P-town!!
 
5:46 pm est 

Formula Business By-law

We have a formula business By-law and it was passed and voted on by us in 2010

Tedeschi's and Cumberland Farm were already here and are grandfathered in. It applies to national chains attempting to be here since this by-law was passed.

If we care about our local economy and care about small mom and pop stores, then we need to keep large chains out of here. Also, we then look like Every Town in America. We are homogenized and stop being unique and different.

This is a bad idea. We can all go to Orleans if we really need a CVS fix!
5:22 pm est 

This Time the Banner Has it Right

"Competitive Disadvantage"

Since when is competition a bad thing? It keeps prices down and makes for a healthier economy. I for one don't believe we need another pharmacy in town but who are any of us to decide what another does with their own property ( within reason ). As for the other chain businesses that you mentioned not being allowed here such as Dunkin Donuts, how about Tedeschi's, Cumberland Farms, Stop & Shop and Subway? I guess they don't count huh? Well enough said just thought I'd put my two cents in.

Wayne Martin
3:30 pm est 

This Time the Banner Has it Right
 
There is no real place for a CVS in this town. and thanks to Barbara Rushmore we have a formula business bylaw as part of our zoning bylaws. It will make this area of Bradford appear like a mall. It will be ugly and it will not be unique. ]

We do not need and should not have a CVS here in Provincetown. We have good access to pharmacies and that is all we need.

Let us value what is unique and let us protect our local businesses. Otherwise, it is McDonald's, Dunkin Donuts and Wendy's--and we will then not be able to say no. and it will be destructive of our small coffee shops, our small places to eat. they will be at a competitive disadvantage.
1:39 pm est 

Thursday, January 12, 2017

Today at SKIP

I have never had shepherds pie seeing as I've been vegetarian since I was 15 (I won't say homy current age but it's up there) Today at SKIP I was offered vegan Shepherds pie (no dairy either) it was out of this world.

I heard another diner say the vegan stew from the other day was the best thing she's eaten in months and she's not vegan or veg.

This chef knows her way around the veggies. Even naysayers of meatless Monday are saying she's got them to come around.
5:43 pm est 

Re: "To: Wayne Martin"

First off I mentioned East Harbor as an example because after the opening of the clapper there is no longer any otters,painted turtles, mud turtles, silver perch and last but not least it destroyed one of the few and precious herring nurseries because of the change in salinity. It has also destroyed a huge area of habitat that was used by several mammals such as deer, raccoons, weasels... As for a hole in the breakwater, it already provides shelter for several different tidal fish species which will disappear with the flooding of the marsh. Also with that comes the elimination of valuable waterfowl habitat! This coupled with all my other previous mentioned reasons is why I believe it's an extremely poor idea. Now I would like to know what other species of fish are going to go in there and use it for a nursery or for breeding with or without the seals interfering. I should apologize for using the phrase "right mind" in my previous post, I should of said without being well informed and or having a working knowledge, my bad.

Wayne Martin
2:45 pm est 

Re: Tedeschi Barriers

Please do your job Town Manager and get rid of those ugly red and white barriers in front of Tedeschi's. Sharon Lynn would have had this done months ago.
10:32 am est 

To: Wayne Martin

Wayne I got no problem with you but your statement about no nature lover in town  one in their right mind wanting this  is simply incorrect  - I fish , boat bike and walk here and I'm in my right mind . Enabling the passage of all marine life in and out if there will most definitely improve the fishing, recreational and commercial . Wetlands are nurseries. Right now it's blocked off, so fish can't grow there and then move out to the  ocean  . This would solve that .
10:29 am est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification 

Again , people against this Breakwater  opening are bringing  up east harbor - that place was a brown carp filled mess!  not a shining example for your arguments . And unsubstantiated claims about the flats being ruined - you guys aren't scientists what the hell do you know about what it's gonna do? And all that aside,, is it going to happen whether you like it or not , or will
You be able to stop it with your torches and pitchforks?
10:28 am est 

Re: An Observation

More personal attacks by anonymous cowards that don't know the meanings of the words truth, honor, decency, and morality. Yeah and if it wasn't for the Russians and the FBI Hillary would be president instead of looking at years in jail. Put your name to your writings or keep your lying mouths shut!  There should never be any credibility given to any anonymous writings or posts especially the ones that make unfounded defamatory comments, once again they should not be aloud!

Wayne Martin
10:26 am est 

Wednesday, January 11, 2017

Re: Republican Bigots

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.
Wm F Buckley 1959
7:35 pm est 

An Observation

Anything that Wayne Martin and Gordon Siegal co-sign and agree on should be looked at by any normal person in Provincetown as suspicious and conspiritorial and bad judgement clouded by personal politics. Simply.
7:33 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification 

Most town People I know--do not want the forty Foot break in the Long Point Breakwater

they do not. they are firm on this and have been for years when this ridiculous idea was first proposed.

they know it will damage the West End and will destroy a very fertile area. and they do not want seals there, stuck there and dying nor dolphins. I believe this is about wanting kayackers to be able to be there and hiring more people from the pier who would be overseeing them and--rescuing them.

I am a town person myself and I say NO.
1:44 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification 


"Not just the National Seashore want that Breakwater opened, and not just kayakers. A lot of locals who care about fishing and the environment want it done. I'm one of them . Let's see some science here , not Hyberbole."

I'll throw it back to you and ask the same question seeing as I have an existing breakwater that you want changed and an existing salt marsh that again, you want to change. Where is the science and how does the proposed opening benefit, as you mention, fishermen and those that care about the environment? What positive change will it make? What's wrong with what's there now, meaning the breakwater and the marsh behind it? This isn't like the Herring River project in Wellfleet where the tidal waters are shut off from upstream and this a dying back of the natural salt ecosystem occurred. That may be restored. What's being restored here? It exists.
1:41 pm est 

Enough is Enough!

I am Frankly tired of Republican Bigots

Enough is enough. You are disgusting. You try to act Normal but you are the bigots of America. Unable to face yourself and unable to face who you really are, you turn against your own interests and stand for the worse that is in America.

You are more than a disappointment. you are the problem that we face and fight.
1:38 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

Why would you or anybody want the marsh destroyed? You said fishermen want it done, what fishermen? From where? What are their names? No nature walker or local fishermen, hunter, outdoorsmen or longtime resident in their right mind would ever want this done! What purpose does it serve besides destroying a natural resource "clam flats", the marsh and existing habitat not to mention it will add to the further erosion of our dunes. Please stop talking out of your back sides that's why god gave us brains and a mouth try using them. If your that bored, have money to throw away and need something to do the house that I'm living in needs painting and we could sure use a new fence come on over I'll keep you busy.

Wayne Martin
1:36 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

What is often not known is that the ten foot cut into the Long Point Breakwater

is only what is happening at the bottom. It will cause a forty foot break at the top of the breakwater and then over this--a bridge. And who will maintain this catastrophe? Who will make certain that this 40 foot opening doesn't lead to seals and dolphins being stranded and then only dead clams and no one allowed to go for clams.

It is such a terrible plan and hardly do they know this breakwater. some have never even walked on the boulders.

I say no. I say this is whacky and I am not for it.


1:33 pm est 

Tuesday, January 10, 2017

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

Not just the National Seashore  want that Breakwater opened, and not just kayakers. A lot of locals who care about fishing and the environment want it done. I'm one of them . Let's see some science here , not Hyberbole.
6:05 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification
 
"The breakwater does not change the tides.  High tide and low would be the same on both sides of the breakwater with or without the proposed change."


Correct! So what's the need for the removal of the section of breakwater? Seems like it keeps the Moors marsh clean and free of garbage and detritus as a result of the seawater "filtering" through the breakwater stones. Remove it for kayakers?? Seriously? We're looking at removing the section, destroying the many years of long hard work establishing the clam beds and destroying the incomes of many shellfishermen for the enjoyment of a few affluent people that want to recreate freely but don't have the drive to pick up their kayak and put it on the other side of the breakwater by hand? Really?
6:04 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

I would love to know what mental midget thinks that the Eastern breakwater doesn't effect the way and how much water flows into the marsh. Please do tell, please let us know so we know never to listen to you or give little regard to what you ever have to say on any topic again. NOW I'VE HEARD IT ALL!
6:02 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

Opening a hole in the break water would without a doubt flood more of the existing area on the north side. It will without any question destroy existing grasses and habitat that is now there, it's just plain good old fashioned common sense. All one has to do is look at what the simple opening of the clapper at East Harbor has done to effect and eliminate wildlife and it's habitat that was there before the change in the opening such as otters, several different turtles and fish species just to name a few. The same thing will happen in Wellfleet with the opening of the clapper of the dyke, it will flood the golf course and eliminate large amounts of wildlife habitat. In the case of our breakwater I do believe it will turn Long Point into an island during much of if not all of the tidal cycle. Remember this happened before when a storm eroded the dune just north of the Wood End lighthouse "the cut" which took years to naturally rebuild. Now the powers that be want to !
do it on purpose with far worse consequences just to justify their existence! Who and what will this benefit please just answer those simple questions, have we come to the point that we are soooo bored with our lives that we are doing things now just for shits & giggles no matter what the ill effects or consequences.

Wayne Martin
5:59 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

"with the tides, the water levels will be monumental"

What???  The breakwater does not change the tides.  High tide and low would be the same on both sides of the breakwater with or without the proposed change.

Making unfounded statements like this simply highlights your hysteria.
1:33 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

If the Seashore wants it done then F them!!
If they want it done, they should pay for it and they should maintain it. They do NOTHING for the town, just take take take and cry poormouth. They denied us access to drill wells within the seashore property years ago and forced us to negotiate a pricey well with Truro, they removed the groins at Herring Cove and completely screwed up the system that was there and was stable for years, (don't try to tell me about the draggers that were out there last year, that they are the cause. Draggers have been out there for years and the beach didn't erode), we have to plow their roads in the seashore so we can use their otherwise unused garage to store some pieces of our equipment from the DPW, we cover their lands in case of fires and they pay us a meaningless paltry sum for the task, harass sunbathers on the backside beaches for nudity (like that's a big problem!!) and charge us outrageous fees to drive the beaches in the summer, only to pull the rug out from under everyone and to them down as soon as the stickers are sold and not reopen them till summer is almost over.
Ya, screw them and have them pay for what they want. Time for us to pay for what WE want and to OUR advantage.
12:51 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Thanks Gordon for going against the tide and providing true accounts of the shell game. the chair of planning board posted in reference to a sober house proposal at community center, "While I emphasize with the need for this. I'm not sure that with the current housing issues the town faces this would be the best use of this property." Now there is a strong push to make a creative space for a select few? On top of town meeting voting to sell? what is the direction? where is the leadership? where is the focus? whose focus is it? Can the TM and BOS really not understand why people don't show up at town meeting? More to do with the years of bullshit than the seats...
 
12:48 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Thank you Mr. Siegel for your well thought out and well written statement. It's a shame that this town's government is so corrupt that they have  decided to do what ever they damn well please disregarding the votes taken at town meeting and ignoring and or defaming the character of anybody who speaks out against them. Decency, morality, transparency and truthfulness are a thing of the past in our town government and it's about time we "drain the swamp" and elect honest people that actually care about what's best for our town and it's longtime residents not just themselves and the special interests groups they seem to only represent. Not to mention that because of the idiotic hiring of the latest TM and Chief of police the PPD had joined the ranks of the TPD and is considered by most to be a corrupt joke picking and choosing who to apply the law to depending on whether they like them or not or how it will effect their personal lives or their wallets! These two departments have been sued more in the past few years then any time in the past which can be proven by both towns exorbitant legal fees and only with a total changing of the guard will it come to an end.
 
Wayne Martin 
12:46 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

The science is not conclusive on the experiment at Long Point

And having more kyackers there is a bad reason to open this area up. with the tides, the water levels will be monumental and the clam beds will be a thing of the past. It is another Army Corps of engineers' nightmare design. Remember, these are the same guys who did the New Orleans work that flooded and destroyed the area. they are pie in the sky individuals who love projects on paper that hardly work out in actuality.

And we don't need seals in the area and stranded dolphins!
12:43 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Gordon Siegle: thank you for your comprehensive Analysis

thank you for reminding us all that the Housing Trust, as established by Fin Con, was never intended for this large and unthought-out project. It was a start..in a new way of handling housing. And now it has been sabotaged by the BOS in their unrestrained attempt to have housing their way.

You also help us see the amount of work that has not been done on the structure and entity of the Housing Trust and this is being dismissed in order to rush the deal.

the voters will come to hate the Housing Trust not because it is a poor idea but because it has been distorted by the selectmen and misused for their myopic yet unrestrained interests.

they should be recalled for this disaster that will take up energy and time when it is not needed at this time. We are not ready and this project fall outside the goals of the housing Trust. And yes the state is watching and we will fail their and our expectations.

Again, thank you for you presentation of the facts and the reality of the Housing Trust.

12:40 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

I voted Yes for the Year Round Rental Housing Trust in both 2015 and 2016.  The Voters funded it 1.5 million dollars based on a presumed shared vision.  The trust FINCOM described to the Voters, the trust as explained in the Housing playbook and the housing Trust referenced in the TAP report.  The Governor signed the bill creating the Trust into law on November 3rd, 2016.  He said it was historic because there is no other program in the State targeting middle income people. 

The ink isnt even dry on the Governors signature and the BOS - through the newly formed HOUSING TRUST, are asking Voters to give millions and millions more dollars  because "its a once in a lifetime opportunity. We agreed to the trust based on trust, not hyperbole.
 
I read the TAP report and I have read both versions of the housing playbook, twice.  One written for the BOS, the other written by the BOS.  Let me be clear.  No where in the TAP report and no where in the Housing playbook are there any recommendations for the newly formed Housing Trust to jump in with both feet and buy 26 housing units.  Not even as an asterisk.  No where in the FINCOM narrative. 
 
I have to believe the State is watching us.  We are the test case.  Quite a leap of faith considering not long ago we were on the State Financial Watch List.  To come now and ask us to buy this enormous project is unsettling.  26 timeshare worn, maintenance neglected, non ADA compliant, units, and all located on one 1.2 acre parcel.  Over 50 people, packed onto a subsidized lot, confounding the idea of keeping Provincetown quaint 12 months a year.

I reference page 27 of the BOS/TM Housing Playbook, as it reads in part:

Once approved by the legislature, the Trusts first steps should include the following: 
               
-  Establish membership, procedures, & policies to implement the development of year-round rentals 
-  Obtain technical assistance; -  Network with active Municipal Housing Trusts elsewhere in Massachusetts 
-  Consult with non-profit and for-profit developers located or working on the Cape or South Shore 
to explore ways the trust fund can be used to support mixed-income housing developments 
-  Consult with housing finance programs about possibilities for leveraging non-local dollars with 
CPA and other resources; 
-  Establish on-going funding priorities; 
-  Develop a business plan for the trust fund; 
-  Set one-year and five-year goals and an action plan; and- Begin with a relatively low-risk, simple project, ideally by partnering with an experienced organization.


On November 4th Our Town Manager was quoted in the CCT stating that The Trust may use Grant money to conduct a study of the best way to run the program.

The legislature and the Governor signed a bill, just for us, based in part, if not in majority, on public statements the BOS made and published.  The ones told to us at Town Meeting.  The ones immortalized in the Housing playbook.
The ones they want us to abandon now, predicated solely on the statement Once in a lifetime opportunity. 

There are currently about 2500 Condominiums in the Town of Provincetown.

As recent as December 29th, not 2 weeks ago, the agenda of the HT was posted including:
The Provincetown Year-Round Rental Trust Board of Trustees will hold a public meeting on Thursday, December 29, 2016, at 4:00 p.m. in the Caucus Hall Meeting Room, Town Hall, 260 Commercial Street, Provincetown, MA 02657.
1. Public Comments
2. Trustee Statements
3. General Discussion of the Trust's mission, funding and operations.
Next steps and time line for mission statements and letter to voters
 What are the criteria to acquire and dispose of property?
How is valuation established? Confirmed?
What if any steps beyond required by Chapter 305 should be adopted for the acquisition and the disposal of property
 How does the trust ensure rentals are occupied year round? How is year round defined?
 How and by who are building rules defined? (Pets, smoking, noise, etc)
 How is the lottery organized? How is maximum preference determined?
 How is year round residency established? What are criteria for year round?
(Chapter 305: SECTION 7. Year-round market rate rental units shall be rented giving the maximum preference allowed by law to: (i) current residents of the town of Provincetown; (ii) municipal employees; (iii) employees of local businesses; and (iv) households with children attending schools in the town of Provincetown. If there are more eligible applicants than available year-round market rate rental units, the trust shall utilize a lottery system to select tenants. The trust may enact regulations establishing additional preference criteria based on income eligibility)
 How is income eligibility determined? By who? How often must it be reestablished? What happens when a tenant is no longer income eligible?
What are the terms of leases?
How is rent established? By market rate rentals comparisons? Or variable based on tenant income? Do some units have different income requirements than others?
 What levels of reserves for repair and maintenance are appropriate?
 Should the Trust insure its property? (The Town self-insures property but holds liability coverage.) Does the Town of Provincetown coverage include the trust? What about property insurance?
 The Trust is required to have an *independent audit". Can the audit be part of the Town's audit or must it be separate?
 Obligations of ownership: How does the Trust participate in condo associations? Take positions on neighborhood concerns and or regulatory hearings on abutting property etc
 Appropriate development options and next steps on the former VFW site for the development of year round rental housing
 Develop "rental easement" in exchange for tax deduction donation program (Like conservation or historic preservation easement/deed restrictions) to preserve existing rental inventory

We dont even know the rules of the road and were already driving on the interstate.  A bit dangerous.  So many unknowns.

I recall other Once in lifetime opportunities  Remember the VFW? We paid $900,000 for it in 2013. In 2014 the BOS wanted to spend $71,500. to TEAR IT DOWN. The Voters protested and voted no. In 2015 (and 2016) Winslow Farms was the "Opportunity of a Lifetime for our affordable housing needs" and without it the VFW has sat. The solution to the VFW is to rent it for $1. to the Center for Coastal Studies. And it's IN the Housing Playbook.

Know what else is in the housing playbook and the TAP report?The Community Center.  It includes using the Community Center for housing (a 4.4 million investment gets you 16 units, at a per unit cost of $275,000 per unit,) or the SALE proceeds to be used for housing.  To refresh, we voted to Sell it in 2011 and almost had a Buyer with the first RFP in 2013 although the Town and Buyer never agreed on terms sufficient for the Bank making the loan.  The second RFP had too many restrictions and brought no offers.  In 2016 we were asked by the BOS to give the CC to a developer in exchange for Winslow Farms.  The Voters said no and a 3rd RFP was issued by the new TM with less restrictions.  On September 21, 2016 the BOS amended the 3rd RFP to include a long term lease.   I mention this now because the Town has received an RFP to lease the Community Center to a non-profit group of artists and others.  The 10 names on the RFP include the Chair of FINCOM.  An online media blitz has ensued and the BOS will be deciding the fate of our Community Center in the near future.  A lease has never been discussed with the Voters.
 
I look forward to hearing in February that, leasing the community center to a non profit arts center is a once in a lifetime opportunity. 

Isnt it time to hold OUR BOS AND TM ACCOUNTABLE for what theyve told us already? 
Thank you for reading, feel free to share. 
 
Gordon Siegel
8:09 am est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

In all seriousness, doesn't the science indicate that opening the Breakwater is what's best for the area down there? Also isn't the harbormaster tired of rescuing folks at high tide? It cant stay the way it is, do people actually want it rebuilt? Does that make sense?
7:55 am est 

Monday, January 9, 2017

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

Wrong project for the wrong place

It is a problem and badly designed and should not be engineered to open up and put up a bridge after opening up a space through the breakwater at Long Point. We do not need it and we should not have to pay for such a terrible idea.
9:42 pm est 

Note to Moderator

Note to moderator: This comment was in response to Sad News, not to the damn clam flats. That said, the plan to open the breakwater is absolute nonsense, and will destroy the clamming culture of the West End.

RE to Sad News: "Goodness knows, we wouldn't want to upset the fancy people."

Oh, the fancy people love lurid gossip. See, it amuses them and their guests. Cocktail talk, makes their usually dull lives and their luck to live here much more interesting. And then they go back to their primary home. Its those who live here who should be horrified.
 
 
9:38 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

"Oh, the fancy people love lurid gossip."
 
Is it really lurid ?
9:35 pm est 

Re: Herring Cove Shelf Collapse

What the Hell does the Herrring cove collapse have to do with the Breakwater? Nothing's been done to Breakwater yet! Facts? It seems you are in short supply of those
 
6:48 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

The eco system is fine! Great argument Einstein -
6:46 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

Goodness knows, we wouldn't want to upset the fancy people.

Oh, the fancy people love lurid gossip. See, it amuses them and their guests. Cocktail talk, makes their usually dull lives and their luck to live here much more interesting. And then they go back to their primary home. Its those who live here who should be horrified.
6:11 pm est 

Re: the Breakwater Project :
 
If it is going to destroy the Clam Flats there will be a Local Revolution! Seashore's been trying to do this project for some time but is fraught with untruths ! Clammers,Rise up in defense of saving the C. Flats in spite of anything else! Kayakers want to be able to go through! It's a favor to them! STOP IT NOW!
6:09 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

Why?? Why, why why??

Water passes through the breakwater without problem every tide and the other side of the breakwater is ecologically fine. On the open water side, the shell fishermen will lose their grants and destroy what they have worked so hard to sustain. The constant rush of tide waters will eventually erode the sand and undermine the rocks that currently are there at this new opening. Don't think it will happen? Look at the opening into Mill pond in Truro. New breakwater built privately and the water daily has undermined the rocks and allowed the end of the breakwater to slope down, big money fix. And a bridge over the new opening? Who pays for the upkeep on that?

NO to the opening of the breakwater.
6:05 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

Breakwater Opening is Flawed

It is poorly designed and done by individuals who have never even been at the breakwater at high tide. they are outsiders with little knowledge of the breakwater on a daily and seasonal basis.

This project is doomed or if we go ahead, this area is doomed. It will be destructive of clam flats and will alter negatively this West End area.

Vote no and no tax monies for this poorly planned bridge to..no where!
6:03 pm est 

Herring Cove Shelf Collapse

Isn't the Herring Cove shelf collapse the result of the dredge clamming that was done by a particular fisherman over the past 3 years and not caused by any breakwater effect
6:00 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

Breakwater

"Flat earth society" sounds like another birther. Get a life and get the facts. Try doing a little investigation into the Herring Cove Shelf collapse.
8:24 am est 

Re: Community Center

When was the fate of the community center decided?
8:23 am est 

Sunday, January 8, 2017

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

I see the Flat earth society is back, trying to rally against opening the Breakwater. Wonderful
 
8:21 pm est 

Re: Sad New Years

"Goodness knows, we wouldn't want to upset the fancy people"

May we thank you for your consideration and please continue to be so.

8:19 pm est 

Nat Hentoff is Gone

Sad to Hear of Nat Hentoff's Passing

His was the voice of jazz, a man who understood the innuendos, the improvising geniuses who he heard and interpreter. He was knowledgeable and a lover of the odd beat, the blue note, the unexpected chord. You will be missed, my friend, sadly missed.
1:00 pm est 

Re: Sad New Years

"Why hasn't there been any mention of the very, very sad death that has occurred in town over New Years?"

Because like all sad and tragic news in this town (and there's plenty,) the powers that be do their best to keep it quiet and sweep it under the rug, lest the tourists and wealthy folk who spend their summers here see our little town as anything other than idyllic. Goodness knows, we wouldn't want to upset the fancy people.

Nothing to see here, folks. But hey, have you reserved your room for Valentine's Day yet?
12:08 am est 

Saturday, January 7, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill Acquisition - David Gardner Conflict
 
"true and maybe while he's at it he can teach you how to, while being employed as Assistant Town Manager, procure a mortgage from a developer who has a controversial project before town boards." 
 
To "Blatant conflict" question

Yes, it is.
7:08 pm est 

January 3rd BOS Meeting -What's Up?

Concerning the January 3rd BOS meeting, during the discussion and vote on authorizing the ballot question for the February 7th townwide vote on Harbor Hill, what was that sleight of hand proposed by Selectman Donegan which caused Selectman Anthony to recuse himself from that BOS vote? I smell something rotten being cooked up.
2:52 pm est 

Sad New Years

How sad, a child has no mother now, a family has lost a beloved member of the family. It is a painful New Year to a long established family in this town.
2:50 pm est 

Re: Question For the Old Timers/Townies
 
"Are the politics of Provincetown now (BOS,development,environment) worse than in the 1980s/90s?  
Hard to tell."

The arrogance of town leaders worse for sure.
1:34 pm est 

Re: Long Point Breakwater Modification

Thanks for Posting the Information on Contacts
for the Long Point Jetty Project

I didn't know who to contact. thanks for giving the e-mails for those from the Army Corps of Engineers. I hope others write to them with their position.

I too know that this project is too costly and will cause more problems at the West end and the jetty. Ask anyone who has lived here for years and they will have a strong opinion and it is against this poorly thought out project.
12:08 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Acquisition - David Gardner Conflict  

"true and maybe while he's at it he can teach you how to, while being employed as Assistant Town Manager, procure a mortgage from a developer who has a controversial project before town boards."

If this is true, is this not a Blatant conflict of interest?

1:24 am est 

Friday, January 6, 2017

Question For the Old Timers/Townies

This covers a lot of territory, but: are the politics of Provincetown now (BOS,development,environment) worse than in the 1980s/90s?
 
Hard to tell.
10:37 pm est 

A Question Seeking a Answer

"Does anyone know what I'm talking about?" 
 
No, why not post more info?
10:32 pm est 

A Comment

Good lord, who in their right mind would want to work for this collection of malcontents?
5:39 pm est 

Long Point Breakwater Modification

If Anyone is Concerned About the Proposed changes to the Long Point Breakwater and Remain concerned about the Destruction of the Clam Flats and Aquaculture grants

then you can e-mail members of the Army Corps of Engineers with your responses. This project will cost Provincetown $400,000 and will create a ten foot bridge cut through the breakwater with potential disastrous consequences. 

Here are the people to contact:

Michael.s.riccio@usace.army.mil
Lawrence.r.oliver@usace.army.mil

It is Michael Riccio and Lawrence Oliver who are the project managers for this proposed soon-to-be opening up of the breakwater at Long Point.
5:37 pm est 

Re: Vincent Currier

Spare Us Another full Face Photo of Vincent currier

enough already. How many times can you posted photos of yourself. then photos of your kitchen table. then photos of what you are eating. More than we need to know; more than we need to see.
5:35 pm est 

It is a Developer's Dream Team

We are paying the salaries of many town employees whose interest lies not with us, the town as a whole, but with a small coterie: developers. they are there to play the game and perhaps even a pay to play game. all changes in zoning and the loss of a strong zoning board and the puppet-filled planning board are aide developers in ruining this once small town.
5:33 pm est 

Re: Mcpherson/Panagore

Three Years and Out? like the LCP?
10:22 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill Acquisition - David Gardner Conflict

"but you should check with Mr. Gardner who is a certified procurement officer."

True
and maybe while he's at it he can teach you how to, while being employed as Assistant Town Manager, procure a mortgage from a developer who has a controversial project before town boards. 


10:16 am est 

Re: Recent Death in Provincetown

Why hasn't there been any mention of the very, very sad death that has occurred in town over New Years?

It is terribly sad, it is a relative of a man retired from the police force. If it was my relative, it would be all over the news.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
10:14 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

"When the yr round rental trust was sold to us it was stated that if it didn't work we could stop it."

Harbor Hill is far too expensive an option to test the viability of the concept.  We don't even know if the idea will work.  This is way to risky, way too many questions.
10:12 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill Acquisition

Can anyone point out the date when the Year Round Housing Trust  Trustees took a vote to purchase the Harbor Hill property?

Last week. Tuesday I believe it was. You should pay more attention.
10:10 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill Acquisition

ADA: No
10:09 am est 

Town Manager - David Panagore

After one year on the job, I would ascribe our Town Manager as a Bowtie Bluster & Blabber providing useless value to this town.

The combination of his lack of experience as a town manager and his arrogance and need for control to make himself continuously shine are a disgrace to the Board of Selectmen who hired him, and unfortunately, is a complete waste of taxpayer money.

Three Years and Out.

1:26 am est 

Thursday, January 5, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill Acquisition

Harbor Hill will most certainly be snatched up by wealthy developers, as it well should be. The town doesn't have a chance purchasing this ideal vacation property. All this teeth gnashing is for naught.

Don't forget to read the dire weather/parking warnings from the Bowtie. For this is what we are paying him for.
5:33 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Acquisition

"Mr. Panagore, I know you are not a trained procurement officer, but you should check with Mr. Gardner who is a certified procurement officer.  The Town may NOT ignore Massachusetts procurement laws."


You can ignore anything. You just can't get caught. Do you really think Gardener is going to tell Panagore to NOT do something that he has every intention to do?

Really?
12:40 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Acquisition

Has anyone visited Harbor Hill? These buildings are all set a full staircase level from the ground and parking area. The buildings themselves are all multi-level. Should they become town owned (I cannot understand the difference if the Housing Trust buys them) Won't they have to be ADA compliant for not only residents but guests? I hope this cost is not a surprise down the road after they are purchased$$$$$$$$$.
12:38 pm est 

Wednesday, January 4, 2017

Re: Harbor Hill Acquisition

Can anyone point out the date when the Year Round Housing Trust  Trustees took a vote to purchase the Harbor Hill property?  The Town is not authorized to purchase a property and bypass procurement laws and make this purchase.

Mr. Panagore, I know you are not a trained procurement officer, but you should check with Mr. Gardner who is a certified procurement officer.  The Town may NOT ignore Massachusetts procurement laws.
9:37 pm est 

Harbor Hill Acquisition - Yingling Still Wants His Dropped Ice Cream

Wake up Provincetown.  This Harbor Hill nonsense is yet another ploy by the business owning Selectman and their business owning families to have the Town provide subsidized housing at townspeople expense for their employees so that they don't have to pay a living wage, can shutter all of their properties for the season, and run off to warmer climates.  Those bozos we have sitting on the select board make me sick.  They don't even have the decency to keep their businesses open past Halloween, yet make that a requirement for people who are opening new businesses. 
9:34 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

So glad the town didn't buy that "opportunity of a lifetime" -----Cabral's Pier. And it seems to be doing very well on its own.
9:32 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill Acquisition - Donegan-Yingling Fantasy

Right! We have heard "once in a lifetime Opportunity" to purchase this and that many times. Just fork over the money so the "opportunity " is not lost and then worry about paying for it later. After Harbor Hill I hope we have money for the new police station we've been waiting 12 years for and of course we'll have enough money to renovate the Community Center and develop the VFW. No wonder "townies are forced to sell out to condo-mania they certainly won't be able to pay the tax increases that will come. Goodbye old townies and good luck as we spend spend spend.
9:29 pm est 

Harbor Hill Acquisition - Yingling Still Wants His Dropped Ice Cream

If I have to listen to about one more "opportunity of a lifetime", I'm gonna vomit all over the BOS. Talk about incompetence and a perversion of what the voters voted for in establishing the Housing Trust! (Which I'm now ashamed to admit I naively voted for, even knowing the history of how town officials twist and redefine the will of the voters because they know better. Ugh!) Where are the studies that have been done to show there's an immediate need for 26 middle income units? Where are these future tenants living now that they have to move quickly into a subsidized town-owned rentals? (Despite a previous poster preposterous assumption that the Housing Trust will own the property and not the Town, I'd have to ask who will be paying for it, the Housing Trust or the taxpayers?
Furthermore, no one is being fooled by the BOS's PR blitz (anonymously, of course) on this blog or other social media sites to support this abortion of an idea. I can only imagine what these executive BOS meetings must be like in discussing how to sell this misguided and VERY EXPENSIVE folly to the taxpayers. Despite what you think about us, we're not all stupid and gullible.
In short, what's being proposed is having the taxpayer fund the absolute most expensive expenditure in this town's history with no cost/expense study analysis specific to this property, with no specific detailed list of upcoming maintenance needs, and with no guarantees that future town officials (who will know even better!) won't be able to redefine the towns' needs again to turn "middle income housing" into "affordable housing", managed by a volunteer board with little (if any...) experience in real world rental property management.  What could go wrong?
11:42 am est 

Harbor Hill Acquisition - Yingling Still Wants His Dropped Ice Cream

Special Town Meeting February 6 and then a Ballet Question February 7

Just too much brouhaha on this. too many meetings, too little thought. Just because you want it, doesn't mean it's the right choice. "I want it! I want it!" the selectmen cry. I hope the adults in the town just say NO.
 

11:03 am est 

Harbor Hill Acquisition - Donegan-Yingling Fantasy

Do We really Need a Special town Meeting in February to Purchase the Unpurchaseable?? Here we go again. another town meeting and its cost and time so that taxpayers can agree foolishly to add another $10 to $15 million to pay for Harbor Hill. It is a crazy plan and should be pulled immediately. We do not need to spend effort on a Donegan-Yingling fantasy. Pure and simple: it's nuts!!
10:58 am est 

Harbor Hill Acquisition

"There will be a meeting next week about purchasing Harbor Hill."

No there won't. There will be a public meeting about the housing trust in general next week. The meeting about Harbor Hill specifically will be on Jan 26.
10:55 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

ISOLATED HARBOR HILL-MOUNTAIN CLIME TO UNITS.

Housing field station.

Wait until the town buys Harbor Hill and then has to deal with tenants not paying rent, then going through eviction court hell.

Wait until the people go and see the mountain of stairs that they must clime to get to a unit. STAIR CASE after stair case--and then a door..only to open to more staircases.  Anyone with arthritis in their legs or who has any trouble walking will find it impossible.

MAINTENANCE, Maintenance, maintenance. I remember when it was built.

It will be another isolated housing development where the people prey upon each other watching everyone's every move in case someone gets a leg up or does some "business from home". It will be a nightmare if it is anything like the goings on at Province Landing.

BUYER BEWARE. Provincetown taxpayers beware. $10,000,000.00 for an isolated community. Why not buy  mulit-family homes mixed around town so that folks are a part of the community.
10:53 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

So Donegan is making the argument on Facebook that when Richter said it should be "self sustaining" that meant excluding funding costs?  That is frankly a nutty position and does not speak well of our selectmen if true.

Town is going to be asked to borrow $10,000,000.  The project will be $400,000 in the hole ANNUALLY.

-  $225,000 in the difference between breakeven rent and subsidized rent per Paul DeRuyter and Doug Cliggot's calculations.
- $75,000 roughly in foregone tax revenue.
- $100,000 in 'other' expenses including administrative and maintenance
and that number is probably low if you look at the experience with the Manor and the School.

The Selectmen would be wise to adopt Doug Cliggot's approach and not attempt a film flam that omits these costs from the calculation.  Be honest with the voters.  The voters have seen through you every single time you've tried something like this. 
10:48 am est 

Tuesday, January 3, 2017

Re: Board of Selectmen

Magic words? Shady. How is anyone suppose to trust this board?
11:34 pm est 

The Ever Elusive Local comprehensive Plan

Another $10, 000 for the LCP committee? 
11:33 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

There will be a meeting next week about purchasing Harbor Hill. I hope we are told the true projected carrying costs. As I see it a round the clock management service (probably living in one or two of the units will cost at least $150,000 to $200,000 a year, repairs and upkeep of 26 units will there will have to be at least $300.000 each year. But before people move in  there will have to be a new roof, new carpeting, new baths , kitchen updates and perhaps new windows and a new heating system, if not there will definitely be emergency situations where all these issues will have to be addressed. Let's hope the siding is OK and that it doesn't need attention to the septic system.
11:30 pm est 

Re: From: Paul deRuyter - A Critical Analysis of the Prospective Harbor Hill Acquisition

Harbor Hill:  It's not that complicated

When the Housing Trust was created, the idea that was pitched to Town Meeting was that the Trust would purchase properties outright.  Those properties would generate surplus cash, which would then be reinvested into new housing purchases.  It was initially envisioned as a relatively slow going process with an initial $1.5 million funded by Town Meeting with proof of concept hopefully to follow.

Then came Harbor Hill, an instant opportunity to add 26 units to Town-owned housing stock.  This is clearly an exciting opportunity that should be pursued vigorously.  It should also be pursued with transparency and direct, communication about the value proposition devoid of spin and obfuscating language.

Paul DeRuyter took the first cut at the numbers assuming $10,000,000 in borrowing to fund the purchase of Harbor Hill and came to the conclusion that it was very difficult to make this purchase self-sustaining - i.e that rental income would cover the annual debt service obligation, maintenance on the property and management of the rentals.  I agree with Paul's assessment 100% that it wouldn't work financially as a standalone endeavor for middle income housing and I would also add that execution risk is very high given that the Trustees are still being recruited and there are no processes in place to manage this kind of project.

Enter Doug Cliggott.  Doug made a strong argument that housing is a basic right and that as a town we need to view housing the same as public safety and education.  Doug's argument is that correcting this defect in the market is going to cost money and that was the premise of the Housing Trust.  I also agree 100% with Doug that this is vital to the well-being of the Town.  And that by funding the Housing Trust, Town Meeting agreed to subsidize middle-income housing.

Viewed through the lenses provided by Paul and Doug, Town is faced with a pretty straightforward choice.  Do we as a Town want to fund the purchase of Harbor Hill to the tune of $10,000,000 to provide middle income housing under the assumption that there will be an annual shortfall of $250,000 - $500,000 (subject to further refinement by the Town) which will need to come out of the operating budget of the Town.  It is not any fancier than that.  Please don't let them make it so.

There are some obvious questions that will need to be answered:

1.  Harbor Hill rentals will generate a surplus for the Housing Trust.  Does the Trust get to keep this surplus and reinvest it in new real estate acquisitions or will they be asked to contribute to the annual debt service obligation incurred by the Town from the $10,000,000 borrowing?  The outcome of that decision could impact the annual budgetary shortfall meaningfully.  It also probably impacts Provincetown's credit ratings but I am less fussed about that.

2.  What will the 'rules' be for determining the rental rate?  Doug proposes that the rents be set based on income (which I think is right), but that could make forecasting cash flows more difficult.  This is relevant if the Trust is to contribute to the debt service obligation, less relevant if it is reinvesting its surplus in new real estate.

3.  How will eligibility for the rentals and priority for the rentals be determined.  While this isn't strictly speaking necessary to make the decision now, it is always a source of much contention in this town so I would recommend that the Trustees have this buttoned up solidly before Town Meeting.

Here are a few other questions that are not strictly speaking related to HH but are relevant I think:

4.  If we borrow $10,000,000 here, what does it do to our ability to develop the VFW and to build a new police station.

5.  Is this the best bang for the buck?  If we're willing to spend $500,000 per year in subsidies, we could provide a direct housing voucher of $10,000/year to 50 middle-income renters.  (This may seem insane and it probably is, but it is effectively the same concept.  We're going to be providing subsidies regardless.)

I'm sure there are many other questions.  Thanks for reading.
12:24 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

I've been very supportive of the Year Round Rental Housing Trust from the beginning. What I envisioned was an entity that would be provided with seed money initially to purchase properties which in turn would be rented out. The rents would cover the cost of the debt service and ongoing operating costs. In a best case scenario, there might even be some positive cash generated from some rentals which would be put back into the Trust for additional purchases. Obviously there would be the need for periodic injections of funds by the Town into the Trust to acquire additional properties, of course. But each property purchased would be, at a minimum, self-sufficient. Now we find out from one of our Selectmen in all the discussion about Harbor Hill that, SURPRISE! Not only will properties not be self-sufficient, but we've also just given the Town yet ANOTHER new expenditure to add to the yearly budget. Unbelievable. I hope everyone really stops to think about the ongoing m!
aintenance costs at a property such as Harbor Hill. Spend! Spend! Spend!
12:19 pm est 

Monday, January 2, 2017

Critical Comment

Ok. If you aren't publishing posts will send them to the Beacon.
10:59 pm est 

The Fireworks Were Wonderful! A Great Show!

A beautiful evening and just fabulous fireworks. Quite a success! Provincetown can stand proud on this great show.
8:38 pm est 

Sunday, January 1, 2017

Re: From: Catherine Russo - Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Hot housing topic brings all the wackos into the arena. Doubtful  Russo's plan to get it from those who 'have it' will do little but cause backlash to those who do not have it.
2:58 pm est 

From: Catherine Russo
 
A political revolution needed Need to figure out how to get the money from those who have it and second home owners
12:11 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Followup

I found the original Facebook post.  I see that Doug Cliggott is proposing a permanent town subsidy for this project.  He makes a compelling case and I actually agree with him that housing should be viewed as a responsibility of government.  That said, I think it's going to be a tough sell in this town.

Using Doug's range of $900-2250/month and taking the midpoint gives you $1,350/month.  Applying Paul's analysis to that suggests an operating deficit of around $225,000 per year that the Town would need to find.  Plus maintenance, etc.

I admire his honesty about the situation and his willingness to frame housing its population as a core function of the town.  It's refreshing in a Town that hasn't always felt entirely upfront about it's analysis of land purchases.  And perhaps the Town will surprise me and agree to subsidize housing for folks making $36,000 up to $88,000 (my number from below).  I guess we'll see but kudos to Doug for suggesting that it not be viewed strictly as an economic proposition but also as a contribution to the public good.
11:08 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

And so it begins. Bottom line this Housing Trust was never set-up to address the need for middle class housing, Doug C just said as much. We the tax payers are being asked to subsidise rent for affordable housing. Enough. I will be voting no. Work 3 jobs, save some money and buy a fixer upper like the rest of us. If a business needs employees and they need housing then find them housing. OMG this will go on and on while the town buildings and our streets continue to crumble.
11:05 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust
 
"We do not expect the operations of the police department to be self-supporting. The police provide public safety to all households in Provincetown." 
 
For a town resident to post that our police dept.and schools are not self-supporting so the housing trust should not be self-supporting is the stupidest argument ever. Harbor Hill will be sold to the highest bidder as determined by bankruptcy court....Thank goodness for that! We cannot support every aspect of everyone's life. Provincetown already has the highest number of people per capita on government benefits.
10:59 am est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

POINTS TO PONDER....

Doug Cliggott: "The Housing Trust was created to address a "market failure". The free market -- that is individuals and property developers acting in their own self-interest -- is not providing rental housing at a price that middle income households can afford. Specifically, the goals of the Trust, as I understand them, are (1) to provide rental housing to households with annual incomes between $36,000 to $90,000. And that (2) the rent for this housing should be truly affordable for folks with these incomes. A reasonable benchmark for "affordable" seems to be 30% of household income. So arithmetic tells us properties owned by the Trust should charge rents in the range of $900 to $2250 per month.

The key here is that the rent level should be determined by the incomes of the target households, NOT by the cost of providing this housing. So it seems odd to me, and in fact at odds with the mission of the Housing Trust, for the Board of Selectmen to say that "the rental operations must be self-supporting".

We do not expect the operations of the police department to be self-supporting. The police provide public safety to all households in Provincetown. They are meeting a public need for the benefit of all people living in the Town. We do not want a situation where only rich folks have security and no one else does.

We do not expect the operations of the school department to be self-supporting. The school provides education to all young people in Provincetown. The school is meeting a public need for the benefit of all people living in the Town. We do not want a situation where only the kids of rich [house]holes get educated and no one else does."

10:45 am est 

Re: From: Paul deRuyter - A Critical Analysis of the Prospective Harbor Hill Acquisition

Paul deRuyter does his usual thoughtful analysis, which I always appreciate, but I am afraid I'm having a hard time seeing any real cause for optimism in the scenarios he presents.  Since I don't know where this discussion took place, I'll respond here:

"The 1st. scenario would require all 26 units to rent for an average of $2,100 per month plus utilities; the town would borrow the needed $10,000,000 and use the Housing Trusts existing $1,500,000 to cover the all-in cost as defined above."

Let's assume $100/month for utilities, which is probably low.  That gets you to an annual nut of $26,400.  If you apply the rule that says that rent + utilities shouldn't equal more than 30% of your income, carrying the rental would imply an income of $88,000/year.

(1)  How many people in town make $88,000 + per year either singly or as a couple?  Is it really 26?  It would be nice to see a show of hands or some indication that the town will have takers for these units at that price.

(2)  We assume that if it is relatively affordable (see above), they will come because we love Provincetown and our view of town is colored by that.  That may be biasing our assessment of need.   $2100/month in other towns gets you a whole house, yard, and the opportunity to leave your work behind.  Plus, if you can afford $2100/month you can actually get a mortgage and buy a decent property in Eastham, for example, if you have the down payment.

"The 2nd scenario is driven by a need to get the average monthly rent lower to more reasonably reflect the most productive target market in Provincetown. If we decide to use an average monthly rent of $1,500 plus utilities we have these two alternatives to achieve the goal. First, we could borrow the needed $10,000,000 and assign the $1,500 rent to half of the project and then we would need to obtain an average monthly rent of $2,700 per month plus utilities for the remaining 13 units. In the alternative, we could sell 14 units for an average return of $600,000 per unit; take the proceeds to pay down the $10,000,000 loan to a final balance of $1,200,000 and be able to charge a monthly rent of $1,500 plus utilities on the remaining 12 units still owned by the Trust and properly service the debt."

I like this option even less and I suspect Paul probably does too.  The $1,500 rent is likely to attract more people and is competitive if not cheaper than some surrounding options.  You still have the "I don't want to live where I work" problem, but it's only 13 units so I like the chances of getting it done much better.

I think the $2,700 is unattainable though for the remaining units for all of the above reasons.

Paul also posits an alternative whereby units are sold to bring down the debt leaving the remaining 13 units for middle income housing at $1500/month.  This is the most realistic option he presented to my mind but I wouldn't recommend it.  I think it comes with way too much execution risk for the Town for a 13-unit payoff.

Another option which I would put forward for consideration (and forgive me if it already has been, I'm not following the town Facebook pages) is to do a combination of middle income and affordable housing.  Just put $1050/bedroom on it, give first dibs to middle-income tenants and then let affordable tenants team up to fill the rest.  The recent Stable Path lottery suggests that filling all 52 bedrooms with affordable tenants is probably doable if there is zero take up from middle income folks.  I remember that many of the applicants gamed the system (in a good way!) and teamed up to get the less popular two-bedrooms.  Something similar may work here as well and at least the Town would have some empirical basis for demand assumptions.

Not signing this because I just don't want to be involved in the drama.  Good luck to all.
10:41 am est 

Re: The New Beacon

Now the webmaster is wishing Ebola on his detractors, of whom that are many more than his supporters.

After the Clarence Thomas Banner I didn't think he could sink any lower.  I was wrong.
10:30 am est 

Re: From: Paul deRuyter - A Critical Analysis of the Prospective Harbor Hill Acquisition

I appreciate the analysis by Paul D. of Harbor Hill, even though he is not a resident of the town.   A few of things to note.

The Town will not buy anything.  This must be bought by the Housing Trust.  The Trust was given the authority to bypass procurement laws in a property purchase.  The Town has no authority to bypass procurement laws.

The Housing Trust board is not yet fully formed.  How can the Trust make a decision to purchase a property when it, the board itself, has not yet even be formed.

When one is purchasing yr-round housing one shouldn't be looking at water view property, but basic quality housing.  We are looking at paying a premium for this property.

This is a really bad idea that has not been thought out.  How could it be, the board of the trust has not even been formed.

Vote NO on this speculative purchase.
10:28 am est 

Re: Vincent Currier

Don't enjoy Vince quoting Baldwin or spouting stupid and/or sexist remarks? Doubt this prickly barnacle will be pried from his subsidized home for awhile, so, unfollow his FB page. It's easy,fun and your life will be less full of bull. Happy Vinceless new year!
10:26 am est 


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