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Saturday, December 31, 2016

Re: From: Paul deRuyter - A Critical Analysis of the Prospective Harbor Hill Acquisition

"the risk of not budgeting for a Maintenance Reserve to avoid lump sum special assessments"

This is not just a risk.  Given our salt air environment, it is essentially guaranteed to happen multiple times in the assumed 30 year life of the debt. For big bucks. 

By all means let's do analysis, but not wear rose-colored glasses while doing it. 

Similarly, lost tax revenue, vacancy periods (and damage repair) between tenants, cost to manage, etc. etc. should all be estimated and counted in any fair minded analysis. Only counting debt service is wholly inadequate.  Ask any landlord in town.
6:12 pm est 

From: Paul deRuyter - A Critical Analysis of the Prospective Harbor Hill Acquisition

A POSITIVE APPROACH 
 
"Its not fair to just say that an investment "doesn't work and there remains a huge void, expressed by many in this thread, with wanting a better understanding of the financial profile of the transaction. I thought it time and hopefully useful to take a more positive stand and explain how the acquisition of HH could be successful. In the process the goal is to express it in a more readily understandable way using points of measurement that we all can relate to.

To properly understand the relative merits of taking action requires context & judgment otherwise a recommended strategy has no meaning. I provided context in my discussion with the Town Manager so that I could get the benefit from his experience and test my own thinking. But now I need to try and lay out a scenario of how can we get this done that hopefully puts our choices in clearer perspective.

In the end there is one thing in which there can be no doubt. The decision to proceed or not will require a thoughtful judgment call on the part of citizens it cannot be other wise it cannot be made based on some nice clean analysis that makes the answer seem self-evident. Anyone that suggests otherwise cannot be trusted.

For purposes of this narrative an underlying assumption is the requirement to meet the minimum threshold set by the BoS that the rental operations of HH must be self-supporting. Given that the cost of the winning bid is critical to any analysis lets assume it will be $10,000,000, that being a floor valuation on which there seems to be general agreement. Further, we will assume the town can borrow as much money as it requires with interest at 3% over 30 years. The only limitation is that the town cannot borrow any more then the rental operations can afford to pay...debt service must be covered 1.0 times by cash flow available for debt to achieve the self-supporting standard. We'll also assume that the facility rehabilitation budget will require a minimum of $50/SF or around $1,500,000 (the actual estimate is $100/SF or about $2,700,000 and was derived from an inspection of the property). Finally, the range of allowed monthly rent pursuant to the enabling legislation is from approximately $1,500 to $3,500.

One more thing...for purposes of presenting a more "how can we get this done" perspective I've ignored several areas of risk and unknown costs such as...the ongoing management risk and cost of an apartment rental operation, the risk of not budgeting for a Maintenance Reserve to avoid lump sum special assessments, the risk of vacancies, the risk of regulatory enforcement such as the cost of imposing ADA Accessibility improvements, the risk of accidents and law suits, the risk of town staff time and attention being diverted and the loss of tax revenue otherwise available from the facility. This last item is actually a violation of the standard set by BoS, because to be self-supporting it would presumably have had to continue to pay the $60,000+/year in RE taxes that was being assessed to the property.

So, with all of that as the background here's two ways of viewing this opportunity with a "how can we get this done mentality".

The 1st. scenario would require all 26 units to rent for an average of $2,100 per month plus utilities; the town would borrow the needed $10,000,000 and use the Housing Trusts existing $1,500,000 to cover the all-in cost as defined above.

The 2nd scenario is driven by a need to get the average monthly rent lower to more reasonably reflect the most productive target market in Provincetown. If we decide to use an average monthly rent of $1,500 plus utilities we have these two alternatives to achieve the goal. First, we could borrow the needed $10,000,000 and assign the $1,500 rent to half of the project and then we would need to obtain an average monthly rent of $2,700 per month plus utilities for the remaining 13 units. In the alternative, we could sell 14 units for an average return of $600,000 per unit; take the proceeds to pay down the $10,000,000 loan to a final balance of $1,200,000 and be able to charge a monthly rent of $1,500 plus utilities on the remaining 12 units still owned by the Trust and properly service the debt.

One shouldnt ignore another possibility that voids all of this analys is the town can decide that the opportunity deserves to be subsidized. Nor can we ignore the list of risks that have been temporarily put on the back shelf.

I look forward to learn more from the more competent professionals the town is engaging as to additional ways to view this opportunity, how we might better get it done and where I might have gone astray in my own thinking.
12:01 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Something's Amiss

I don't believe that the Housing rust was established to purchase large structures but to buy smaller structures. I also believe that it had a limited goal--not a group set up to do what Ted Malone continues to do--be a developer.

Something's amiss in how it is being handled and what this trust is trying to purchase. We, as tax payers, should not be asked to spend another $15 million for this structure.
11:30 am est 

Friday, December 30, 2016

Dysfunctional BOS 

Instead of a town REP, the town needs a new RIP

they have no idea what they are doing and they are not led by any strategy or vision. It is an emotional re-action without insight, knowledge or future thinking. I am tired of town "leaders" who lack intelligence, insight and critical thinking. DUH!
 

9:49 pm est 

Re: vincent Currier

Yikes, Vincent is so full of bull

it just makes you sick as he kisses the BOS asses. Wake up sir. You are living in la la land. Maybe because Tom Donegan got you the housing, you are blind to his faults. But it is thick with you and rather unreal. Yes, life is great Vincent and they are just wonderful people who just love the town. You are an amazing observer, aren't you?
9:47 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Surprise, Surprise the Housing Trust Board is moving forward with an attempt to purchase Harbor Hill. The BOS had already decided this before even one member was assigned to this new board. This town is so screwed up.
9:44 pm est 

Thursday, December 29, 2016

To: Vincent Currier

Get with the program!!
 
what program is than Vin?

community activism from your keyboard in your subsidized rental? get a dog
10:29 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Again, middle income Erik, nothing to do with class.
10:26 pm est 

Re: Housing at the Old Community Center

How can the BOS consider any use of the old Community Center other than its sale which was voted by Town Meeting???
 
10:24 pm est 

Re: Housing at the Old Community Center

There are only 2 proposals in the works for the town's RFP on the community center -- one for economic development as a non-profit creative work space, and the other for summer dorms. If the selectmen don't choose either, it goes back to the drawing board for another RFP while the building continues to fall apart.

This is the *third* RFP... the last one for housing got no responses, and town meeting shot down the land swap that a developer proposed. Trying to shoehorn housing into that small school building has been analyzed up, down and sideways and the economics don't work!

Neighbors reacted vociferously to a prior attempt to turn the building into summer dorms, so it went nowhere.

The people who keep harping that the building should be year-round rentals really need to talk to someone who has looked at a pro forma for trying to do that, or propose their own development. It's not feasible without massive (multi-million dollar) subsidies, lots of new construction on the site, and all sorts of zoning variances.

Good luck to whomever ends up with this albatross -- I wouldn't want to be the proud owner of that money pit!
10:23 pm est 

Re: Weight-Loss Trials

"We are sad to report that the bow-tie applicant did not lose any weight."

He actually said he gained weight due to the stress of his job.  Might be time to join Weight Watchers... worked for Oprah!  Time for New Years resolutions!!

10:20 pm est 

Wednesday, December 28, 2016

An Observation

My Dear Children,

How could anyone know how corrupt this town would be. I guess now with South Korea and all our friends who once lived there. This is so sad, so very sad.
10:55 pm est 

Weight-Loss Trials

About A Year After the Weight-Loss Trials

We are sad to report that the bow-tie applicant did not lose any weight.

10:54 pm est 

Re: Housing Trust Question
                                          
"Can someone please name the current trustees?" 

Thomas Donegan - Term Ends 12/31/19 Christopher Mathieson - Term Ends 12/31/19 Rob Anderson Anderson - Term Ends 12/31/18 Vacant - Term Ends 12/31/18 Kevin Mooney - Term Ends 12/31/17
 
10:51 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

Can someone Explain the Destruction at the old Michael Shay's?

what has happened here? does anyone know? How could this hill be so destroyed? who is overseeing this project? Can anyone help answer these questions? thanks.
10:48 pm est 

Re: Housing Trust Question

Can someone please name the current trustees?

Don't know how to use Google.
12:04 pm est 

Re What's Going On?
 
"What is this I'm hearing now?  David Panagore decided to give the Community Center to his best bud Mark Hatch and his friends including Karen C. of the economic development committee."
 
I think it is silly to believe the town manager can give town owned property to anyone especially a property that Town Meeting mandated to sell.In the past, if a Town Meeting vote was not respected it had serious consequences  for those responsible.
12:00 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill

So the middle class who could fill HH housing would be the police, a few Town administrators, teachers, medical professionals. Folks working at the bottom end of the pay scale can't afford $1800 a month. Oh, but the middle class  would love to subsidize housing for the less fortunate so go right ahead, buy HH. Hot tubs and a short walk to the beach. How lucky can you get! And what happens to when Malone can't fill his new empire?
11:21 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

We certainly don't need to put more money into a housing trust when the actual trustees have little to no experience in buying or selling properties, not to mention one of the members admittedly said he needs housing for his employees. I think that we should be cautious about how the housing grant is used.


Can someone please name the current trustees?
11:19 pm est 

Tuesday, December 27, 2016

What's Going On?

What is this I'm hearing now?  David Panagore decided to give the Community Center to his best bud Mark Hatch and his friends including Karen C. of the economic development committee.

Damn, they all have balls to so publicly flaunt ethics laws.  The appearance of corruption alone speaks to the lack of integrity from this group.
9:00 pm est 

Re: Vincent Currier

Oh, brother.

Vincent Currier quoting James Baldwin. I knew James Baldwin and You, sir, do not know James Baldwin.
8:58 pm est 

Who is Managing Provincetown

What a Lame Brain

Is there no governance here in this town? Is there no bow-tied leadership anywhere? What is this man really and actually doing?

Seems no one knows.

Perhaps because nothing is being done.
8:57 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

I live in crazy town. Raphael Richter believes that everyone in Provincetown or coming to Provincetown or wants to come to Provincetown or thinks that maybe they want to live in Provincetown deserves housing. This Trust was to be market rate housing for middle income individuals, period. Now the BOS is selling us a rush job for the most expensive complex in town without even a plan in place. Is there a list of people who need housing now. Do they have income to rent these units. How much is property insurance, repairs, monthly/yearly expenses. Nothing. Just hurry up and give us more money because there will never be another chance to help people who can't find a rental property. Never, ever.
8:55 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

The town should not be in the business of owning rental housing. If the town does end up buying Harbor Hill it will surely be an expensive endeavor whose cost will be subsidized by Provincetown taxpayers.
8:53 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

Let's assume Harbor Hill ends up being bought by the Housing Trust. The Trust is supposed to rent out units at "market rate". HH is all 2 bedroom units with the exception of one 3-BR and two 1-BR units. What's the market rate for a year-round 2BR in Provincetown? I'm guessing it's at least somewhere around $1,500 - $1,700/month. I can hear people already squawking that they can't afford it. "If the Town owns it, why can't they lower the rent? Why do they have to charge so much?" The pressure will be to reduce the rents to make them "more affordable". Yup, this is gonna turn out well! I hope everyone keeps in mind the maintenance costs on a development like HH. And let's not forget the management fee that will have to be paid to a third party to manage the place. This could end up being one huge moneysuck!
2:45 pm est 

Re: Housing Trust

Classic classist terminology, "middle class community housing"  what class is affordable housing?
12:12 pm est 

Comparative Opinion

Would much rather hear what Gordon overhears than Currier on anything. He is a brown nosing fool whose memory of his own negativism, extortion of truth and complicating matters is all but forgotten.
12:10 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill & Misuse of Housing Trust

It's Another Corrupt Day in the Provincetown Hood! I find it hard to believe that we are giving our community center to the finance director for doing a good job on the health insurance for the selectmen that now they repaying him by giving our community center. What is really upsetting to me is how bad we need rental housing for our community. We just received our housing trust, yet we are not using it on our many owned town assets like the community center and the VFW. We certainly don't need to put more money into a housing trust when the actual trustees have little to no experience in buying or selling properties, not to mention one of the members admittedly said he needs housing for his employees. I think that we should be cautious about how the housing grant is used.
This town has not been very good at taking care of town buildings as history speaks for itself. Buying Harbor Hill is more than this town can handle or afford. Le's not get into another situation like the manor. We had to hand that over to an outside source that could actually handle running it correctly.
VOTE NO on a housing trust increase, if you care about your tax dollars!!!!!!!! Community Center For Rental Housing! 
12:06 pm est 

Monday, December 26, 2016

Is it January 20th 2017 Yet?

Seems not.
9:14 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Gone?

A poster on this blog predicted the town planner will be gone by 1/2017 guessing just wishful thinking?
11:49 am est 

Re: Housing Trust - Being Cherry Picked by BOS?

Anything and everything legal with TD and RR at the helm
 
11:46 am est 

Housing Trust -Being Cherry Picked by BOS?

From: Tom Donegan to Jennifer Cabral posted on Town Talk, We have one open seat on the Trust. Will you please apply? The Board of Selectmen is interviewing on Tuesday. Contact me and I can get you all the details.
We've got a great group so far, I'd encourage you to help out by joining as a Trustee. You'd be a great addition.
 
Is this legal? Other people applied but the BOS said no and is now trying to cherry pick it's board. WTF!
10:56 am est 

Re: Restaurant Rumor Mill

Bubala's is not sold. Devon moved to a terrible location. Victor should have behaved himself long ago. What part of this indicates a bailout?
12:24 am est 

Sunday, December 25, 2016

Re: Harbor Hill & Housing Trust

If the goal of the town is to buy a home for every person who wants to live in the town that is an option.  Will our taxpayers support buying a home for everyone who wants to live here?  That's a good question.

If we buy a $350,000 condo so someone can live in it year-round the rental income doesn't pay the mortgage payment.  If it did the private sector would do it.  The purchase will always need a subsidy to make it work, a rather hefty subsidy.  How much are we willing to pay to create an artificial community?
10:51 pm est 

Restaurant Rumor Mill
 
It Seems like the writing is on the wall about your exclusive, overpriced "paradise", and businesses are bailing out while they still can! "Bubala's sold? To whom? Victor's for sale. Devon's for sale. What else?"
10:50 pm est 

Harbor Hill & Housing Trust

If the Town believed the housing trust was a good idea the Trust Committee should have been formed at least a year ago.  For a committee that as of yet is not fully formed to rush out and purchase a 10 to $15 million dollar property with no structure in place is down right foolish.  This is a prime example of poor planning by the BOS and Town manager.

I believe I read somewhere that the numbers for the housing trust don't work based on the model presented by the finance committee.  I don't recall who said it, but do we have any financial plans to say how it might work?  So we will spend $15M  plus on an experiment?

Harbor Hill may be a once in a lifetime opportunity, but we don't really know.  And due to no advance planning by the BOS or town staff we aren't ready to make the purchase.

How many years have we owned the VFW property?  And yet, wer're no closer to developing it than we were the day we bought it.

I think we're about to be asked again 'trust us, we have no plan for the property, but trust us, we'll figure it out later'.  It hasn't worked out for us before, what's different now?

I will vote NO on this request.
10:13 am est 

Saturday, December 24, 2016

Harbor Hill and the Housing Trust

I see that on 12/21 the BOS went into executive session with the real estate housing trust.  I believe that to be an illegal meeting.  The trust was set up to be a completely independent body, not a group that acts under the direction of the BOS.

To further the point Donegan is on the trust board.  A selectman can not serve on another town board, obviously this group is an independent body, not a town board.  The  executive session to meet with this outside body was an illegal meeting.  The town is bot buying a property, its being done by an independent body,   Therefore clause 6 does not apply

The BOS does not run this independent body in spite of Yingling trying to take credit for it

2:04 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street Decimation

"How could the Dune and the Hill at 350 Bradford Street be Destroyed without any Engineering Plans"

Welcome to Provincetown !!  Years ago, I saw a development project get approval at a Zoning meeting without even accurate plans !

Absolute disgrace the way this town/game works.
2:00 pm est 

Freddy Has A Good Heart

He is a hard worker and he is part of our community. He is not mean but he needs to be free and I am sure being held down caused a problem.

Freddy is a good and decent man and I am glad he is part of Provincetown.

When I think of Freddy, I remember Popeye and also Butch with his Blue helmet and red wagon. We are all in this together, my friends
1:58 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street Decimation
                                         
Zoning Board of Appeals 
 
"The chair of the ZBA has no power to force anyone to come before the Board. That power rests solely with the Building Commissioner." 
 
 
Something's a Amiss

If there is a change of ownership, then Zoning is involved. Look at all the restaurants this year that only had a change of ownership and Zoning become the regulatory board that handled these cases. I even know of one simple change of ownership that led to three major Zoning meetings. so a change of use--from a restaurant to a residence--would trigger Zoning. I don't think it needs Annie Howard to inform the Zoning board--it would be a staff decision to schedule the meeting with Zoning.

and yet, here is a once-restaurant with a dune or at least a high-elevation that never, ever went to Zoning. Zoning was and remains silent. Something is radically wrong.

and no engineering plans? And only conceptual plans for seven buildings when no abutters know exactly what will be built? and promises to keep trees is long gone. It is one big, ugly hole.

This is fueled and directed by developers--not by those who care about our town. This is the once welcoming entrance to Provincetown. and now what? Destroyed hills and land so that money trees can grow when the older trees are but cut down and we have an unregulated use of this land.

And the Town Manager does what? Where is bow-tied Panagore on this destruction? and we have a distorted direction for Provincetown guided by a questionable town planner. McPherson is no town planner but a face and an orange designer bag open for developers.

How sad for all of us. The gain for a few and the destruction of our streetscape and landscape for all of us.
1:54 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street Decimation - McPherson/Annie Howard Baby
 
"The chair of the ZBA has no power to force anyone to come before the Board. That power rests solely with the Building Commissioner."
 
Are you now saying that  the fault with 350 Bradford Street rest  at the feet of  the Building Commissioner?
 
What has been her stance on this  project? Why hasn't the BOS chimed in? Should  the State Board of regulators for  Building Commissioners be notified, which was done once before in the case of the previous Building Commissioner Doug Taylor?
10:04 am est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street Decimation

"Why has Zoning not  required the developers of  350 Bradford to come before the board"

You don't understand how the ZBA works. The ZBA does NOT choose what projects need to come before them. That decision rests with the Building Commissioner. The chair of the ZBA has no power to force anyone to come before the Board. That power rests solely with the Building Commissioner.

A long ago Former ZBA member
9:49 am est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street Decimation - McPherson's Baby

There It Stands--Destroyed, Damaged, Disastrous

There is what is left of 350 Bradford Street--and there is little of any dune or of any hill. Cut down, destroyed, utterly raped by the developers and applauded by Gloria McPherson as a great project that she oversaw, that she accepted and made major presentation about and that she heralded.

If you want to know how this town planner thinks--there it is in front of all of us. One huge pit. One huge hole where once there was a dune, a hill, a landscape rather natural.

Now, it is a pit for profit and there has been no oversight, no engineering plans, no actual house designs--and still, town hall is allowing this to continue like this.

Where is the absent town manger? Where are the officials on key boards when this tragedy occurs?

This is Gloria McPherson's baby.

11:46 pm est 

Re: Rick Murray

Rick Murray, referring to 'biggly' after a woman posts historical land information, Provincetown's own gay Trump..
11:44 pm est 

Friday, December 23, 2016

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

This rush to buy Harbour Hill is another ridiculous proposition by this BOS. We only have to look at the VFW and the Community Center to see how well this town manages it's property. As one of the owners of property near this complex you can rest assured that my voice will be loud in oposition to a housing project near my 2 million dollar property. A property  with 20 grand a year in taxes. Yes I am a resident who wants to help provide a more stable rental market but this is the wrong project once again BOS.
6:42 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street Decimation

Oh, Great. they dig into a dune

and we lose our electricity. I heard about 1200 people lost their power. Can't they do anything right? who is overseeing this project? Bring back Michael Shay's--please.
4:33 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street Decimation
 
Zoning Board of Appeals
 
The Chair of the Zoning Board of Appeals has abrogated his responsibility in  the matter 350 Bradford Street.
 
Why has Zoning not  required the developers of  350 Bradford to come before the board. I do not feel comfortable about  the Chair being  a real estate  broker in this matter.
 
Someone has to  bring in the state. This town manager and the BOS is letting the Town Planner  run amok.
 
We  have lost all  control over the development process in this town.
 
Why is the Banner so silent on  this matter? Could it be because their bread and butter  is  associated with real estate advertisements. 
12:40 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street Decimation

How could the Dune and the Hill at 350 Bradford Street be Destroyed without any Engineering Plans

How can anyone just cut into the dune, remove the entire hhill, and do all of this without any engineering plans? the developers stated that the town would pay for engineering plans and has the town? Where is the oversight on this destruction? Just look at this construction madness!

I am appalled and I hope others in town are sickened by this engineering disaster.

And Zoning has not even overseen this project. Zoning has abandoned us to no oversight. It is at least a change of ownership and even for this one issue, this property should have had Zoning oversight.

I am so disheartened.
12:05 pm est 

350 Bradford Street Decimation
 
I seem to recall McPherson making a dramatic article presentation at Town Hall meeting which limited the amount of soil that could be removed from a site under construction.
 
The decimation of the dune (hill) at 350 Bradford Street far and away exceeds that limitation, yet no one at town hall  has  raised  this issue. In fact what papers of application have been submitted and what permits have been issued,  if any?
 
Regulation in this town  is a  farce. It  all depends on who the applicant  is.
 
Who is running this town the BOS, the "Do Nothing" Town Manager or McPherson? The state  should be brought in to investigate this project and the town's role in  the permitting process.    
10:11 am est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

Blown Transformer??
 
How About 350 Bradford and the destruction Going on There

No engineering permits. No professional permits on cutting into the dune. No official documents. It's just la la land there and McPherson is their cheer leader. she is the key person--friend to the developers-- overseeing the pit to nowhere.

It is so tragic and no one who cares about this town would have ever allowed this. You just cry when you see that the dune is gone, the hill is gone, and this travesty is sickening.

I hope some abutters are crying. they should be. they believed Chris Wise when he was whispering in their ears every week. Well, my friends, there you have your neighborhood. You believed him. You have what he has done.

cry me a river....and add in Paul Deruyter. He is the hidden face behind this ugliness. Merry Christmas to all.
9:54 am est 

To: Tree Warden - Please Explain

Perhaps the Tree Warden is a cutter of Trees not a Protector

He is there to aid developers in cutting down any tree that gets in the way. He is not there to protect our trees, to care about Memorial Trees or to protect streetscapes.

Sad, isn't it?
9:52 am est 

Fe: Austin Knight
 
Seriously, this town could use Austin Knight right now! 

9:51 am est 

Re: What the?!
 
"I can't believe that I'm saying this but I miss Sharon Lynn."
  
 
"This one speaks, addresses groups, lies back and yawns, but has hardly done anything. He is weak and maybe lazy...Sharon Lynn was not lazy and she took action."

Remember that certain loudmouths ran Sharon Lynn out of town? Word got around to other potential applicants, and they ran like hell. And remember the arrogant past chair of the Finance Committee? Reducing the salary of the TM, because, hey, maybe they should be pay US for the privilege of working here. What a short-sighted fool.

Administrators that are experienced and capable have professional standards and expectations, and avoid situations where they could be harassed and degraded...and Provincetown has a standing record of doing so. Few will trade sanity for a chance to work in 'paradise'.

So we get Panagore. Weatherman, parking advisor, passing off duties to others. Basically, a rookie in a bow tie.
9:46 am est 

Re: To: Tree Warden - Please Explain

Unless he got permission from the conscom, and apparently he didn't if he told you it wasn't needed, he's in violation of the law. That property, 18 Commercial St, is within the 100' buffer of the wetlands around the Red Inn Condos and within 100' buffer of the waterfront. He's also in violation of the law regarding the trees along commercial street and that's the tree wardens job to intervene, anything within 20' of the road.

This should be interesting.
9:43 am est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

 

The McPit is McAwful

I can't believe the abutters are content with the developer's at 350 Bradford and the old Michael Shay's. It is a disaster and an environmental destruction. For a town that loves its land and its hills and dunes, how could this abomination have happened?

I hope there are some lessons for all of us to learn from this McPit. McPherson should be the first to learn from this project she encouraged and oversaw.

9:41 am est 

Thursday, December 22, 2016

To: Tree Warden - Please Explain

All the trees around the little red house opposite The Red Inn have been cut down. Owner says no permission was needed because its private property. Is this right? If so why are some fined for topping trees on their own property?
10:42 am est 

To: Town Manager

Town Manager please find a better use for the money we pay you than posting nonsense on Facebook while at work.
10:38 am est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

When harbor Hill is sold, where does the money go?

How about the [people who own the time shares now? Are they made whole?

If the town buys Harbor Hill to use as 20 something year round apartments that's great for the people who will rent them.

But what about the hundreds of people who own them now? Where will they stay?

And how about the apartments vacated by the year round people? If I owned those units I would see this as the perfect opportunity to convert those long term rentals to short term or condos and sell them.

This plan is really just a shell game.

The only real way to increase our housing stock, which actually includes all types of accommodations, is to build new.

And what I would really like to see is the BOS openly talk about these issue that will be created by the sale of this property to anybody for any purpose.



A Rat In The Basement
10:36 am est 

Respect Our Vote

How long has it been since the town meeting voted to sell the community center and the VFW? Please respect town meeting and do as we have voted.
10:34 am est 

Re: Town Talk - Another False Start

Town Talk has turned out to be pretty useless. Most of the members aren't even voters or residents, so going onto the page isn't like a community discussion.
Another false start, town hall is closed.
10:32 am est 

Wednesday, December 21, 2016

Re: Provincetown Beacon

This man is sick--Scum bag Clarence Thomas as his header??

Sick, sick, sick. A yuk factor if ever there was one.
10:22 pm est 

Re: What the?!
 
"I can't believe that I'm saying this but I miss Sharon Lynn."
 
I know What You're Saying About Sharon Lynn

At least she did work and di get things done. this one speaks, addresses groups, lies back and yawns, but has hardly done anything. He is weak and maybe lazy--not totally sure on the last point but it looks like that. Sharon Lynn was not lazy and she took action.
10:17 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

We can't keep putting more taxes on the people who live here year round.

I love this town, and I feel for those that need rental but the tax payers should pay for this!!!

We need more year round jobs!!!  Get working on that BOS
9:33 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

After reading the regs on the trust. If the Town purchases this development we will lose tax revenue on this property.

Our town can't even take care of its own properties,  I for one rather see Ted Malone buy it


TED DO AS ALL A FAVOR AND BUY THIS PROPERTY!!!
9:31 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford...What Happened to Conservation? 

"No, dunes are Not Here to Be Developed"

http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dep/service/regulations/310cmr10a.pdf

scroll to 10.28(2)

As defined in the Wetlands Act, the hill behind 350 Commercial is NOT a dune. I will admit though, that all of Provincetown, for that matter all of the land from East Harbor to the tip of Long Point, as defined in the dictionary, is a dune, a body of land created by wind or water. The glaciers didn't produce Provincetown. The glaciers produced Truro and the rest of the cape as a result of the melting of the advancing glacier face. Over the past 10,000 years, wind and waves have created the land past High Head, all sand, thus making ALL of Provincetown a dune by dictionary definition. But the Wetland Act defines it differently. THAT is the limitation of the conscom and that's all they can do.
9:30 pm est 

350 Bradford...What Happened to Conservation?

"No, dunes are Not Here to Be Developed"

I agree that that is not the purpose of a dune  But then again, does anything exist "to be developed"? What, if anything, should be developed?  Why are dunes more important than forests and meadows?  I love them all.  I'd like to hear a logical discussion about what can and should be developed. 
9:25 am est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

what is Yingling talking about? good Lord, stop trying to explain things you hardly understand yourself.
11:51 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

We have another completely asinine idea...yup, tunnel vision, unsettling how quickly they are trying to pull this off.
11:49 pm est 

Tuesday, December 20, 2016

350 Bradford...What Happened to Conservation?

No, dunes are Not Here to Be Developed

to be cut into, cut asunder, ripped apart to stick a condo complex on top of it. the dunes need to be protected and the Conservation commission exists to do this: protect dunes from disasters. but that is not what has happened here. Just look at that destroyed dune at 350 Bradford.

Is this really what we, as a town, want? Is this good development?

Hardly. It is maximizing profit for a few over the destruction of our land and dunes for a few. It is disgusting and that town hall is complicit adds to my nausea.
7:02 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

I read the bill that was passed by our Governor rel. to the rental trust that is trying to acquire Harbor Hill. Properties that this trust acquires are exempt from paying any taxes at all. Not good for those of us who will need to pay all the taxes that we will lose.The upkeep of these 26 units must also be considered. Just think of ones own upkeep if you own a house or condo....insurance, grounds maintenance, appliance upkeep, repairs when units turn over etc. 26 units might even need an on site maintenance person. There is a lot to consider. Lets be very careful.
6:58 pm est 

What the?!

I can't believe that I'm saying this but I miss Sharon Lynn.
6:56 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

REALLY???  Where is the town going to get the money to buy approximately $4.6 MILLION of assessed value?? Mix that with the fact that forever, the taxes collected from this property, (4,600 x tax rate) yearly and we have another completely asinine idea by these selectmen!!
NO, NO, NO!!!
6:55 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

It's going to be Winslow Farms all over again.
11:43 am est 

Question:  When is a Dune a Dune?

Wanna see a dune? Go out into the 80% of the town that doesn't pay taxes and see the dunes in the National Seashore! Plenty to see out there. Otherwise, let the people that paid good money for and pay taxes on the property they bought from the likes of people that live or lived in this town that decided to run the prices up for their own profit.
11:42 am est 

A Comment

I can't decide what's more annoying about this town: all the poor people pretending to be rich or all the rich people pretending to be poor.
11:45 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

Really. buy Harbor Hill? With what money? Is this what we have to endure with this new housing trust, more massive property grabs that the town needs to pour money into just to maintain? This BOS has lost it's mind when it comes to affordable housing? What about the needs of the rest of us that live in town? Maybe we need to recall this board and start fresh.
11:43 pm est 

Yikes and Yuk!

The Beacon is sharing--and that is not the right word for this--Ginny Thomas's Christmas's greetings?? Are you out of your mind. this problematic woman is married to head sex gropper and sex addict Clarence Thomas. The last thing anyone of need is greetings from these psychologically-dependent individuals. How gross!
11:42 pm est 

Question:  When is a Dune a Dune?

Answer: When there isn't enough money to change the opinion and the view and not see the dune as what it really is.

Add money into the pockets, and guess what? Surprise, the dune is not really a dune and never has been--even if town people picked blueberries along the dunes years back. Nope: not a dune.

We can only hope some of our dunes remain and there is not more developers's monies available to change a dune into a dirt hill.

We will be left with nothing more than cut-into and demolished and destroyed dunes that no longer carry the past or what they were and stand as mole hills under the money-driven developers ready to make profit after profit with each dune they see and target.

And our boards are not there to protect us. As is obvious to anyone who looks and sees and observes--and reflects.
11:40 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

If Harbor Hill is for market rate rentals, that sounds a bit better. But the idea that it would hopefully be self sustaining in the future is not a good or responsible financial plan. Having the citizens absorb the $300k taxes owed the town does not make it better for tax payers. And I hope the trust buying this property pays the future property taxes  and not require the rest of us to lose that income(this does not seem probable). Furthermore, I hope this group can maintain upkeep of the property and not come back to the citizens to bail out if anything has to be replaced. And I hope the group is picking up the tab to operate without hiring someone for another $50-70k per year. Being a landlord is not easy business....are we sure the town is up to the task?
11:36 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

Provincetown Realty Trust Will these town owned, market rate rentals pay real estate taxes???
 
11:34 pm est 

Monday, December 19, 2016

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

If the Taxes are Owed to the town, then the town can absorb its own debt

and purchase Harbor Hill at an advantage. this would be a good idea but why isn't there more up front discussion on this. Let them speak to us a bout our concerns.
4:33 pm est 

Re: Transparent Governance

"There is a small group that decides on key issues and we only find out about them after the fact. Then they try to ram this down our throats because they want it. It is not healthy and not good for our town."

DO you mean that the selectmen are the "small group"?  I think that they are elected according to our charter.  Now, if you mean people other than the selectmen (or another legally constituted board, please name them. How do the selectmen "ram" things down our throats?   Do you mean ate town meeting when we legally make the decisions? 
4:31 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

The auction of Harbor Hill is scheduled for February. So timing precludes town meeting involvement. I'm sure BOS are going into executive session to try to make something happen but it is a foreclosure whereby the seller MUST sell to to highest bidder to repay taxes and then to repay the investors to try to make them whole. We certainly should not be buying expensive water view properties for affordable and lose 26 units of valuable real estate taxes. Why we are letting this town mess up private condo business  is beyond me . What condo wants to deal with town meeting? Grace Govena is going to be a disaster for those unit owners that have to carry the affordables and air their business in public for approval.
9:19 am est 

Sunday, December 18, 2016

Re: 350 Bradford Street

Why so surprised? A dune was hacked into on Bangs St. too. In the name of money.
10:00 pm est 

Re: Transparent Governance

I Agree--this town hall is Very closed
 
There is a small group that decides on key issues and we only find out about them after the fact. Then they try to ram this down our throats because they want it. It is not healthy and not good for our town.


That was made clear to all staff when the Town manager came in.  All staff were prohibited from talking to the press or anyone on the outside.  The message from town hall comes from Panagore, no one else.

Whether that's good or bad, time will tell.
9:39 pm est 

Re: Transparent Governance

"I am sure the BOS would bring any major land acquisition to a vote before town meeting, it is the law after all.  .  ."


No town meeting approval required if the newly approved housing trust purchases it.
9:38 pm est 

A Critical Comment

It's germain, not germaine.  Interesting that it's the same typo that appears below in the comments.  Well, not that interesting or surprising.
8:23 pm est 

Re: Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

I am sure the BOS would bring any major land acquisition to a vote before town meeting, it is the law after all.  I am excited for the prospect of what this property could mean for the town and hope the BOS is negotiating to make that happen.  The town needs to take control of housing assets, not let them slip away to condo developers!


8:17 pm est 

Re: Public Sale

NOTICE OF PUBLIC SALE Notice is hereby given, pursuant to Chapter 105A of the Massachusetts General Laws, of public sale of the personal property contents of Outer Cape Mini Storage units #148 rented to Austin Knight, PO Box 1719, Provincetown, MA 02657 probably can pick up a couple of Campaign signs cheap
8:16 pm est 

Re: Transparent Governance

I Agree--this town hall is Very closed

There is a small group that decides on key issues and we only find out about them after the fact. Then they try to ram this down our throats because they want it. It is not healthy and not good for our town.
8:14 pm est 

Re: The Legacy of Our Town Planner

Either you haven't been here too long are just weren't paying attention when the "dune" behind 350 Commercial was torn down for the septic system that's under the ENTIRE hill. When it was Basils and then turned into Michael Shays, the septic system was upgraded and every tree on that hill grew in since the upgrade and the "dune" is not a dune. You want proof? Now that they've driven in the steel sheets for excavation, watch all the stone and septic components come out of the ground.

Get your facts straight before you make claims like you do.
8:13 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

It is a Terrible sight/Site at the old Michael Shay's

Who would have ever imagined it could be this bad, this destructive of land, habitat and landscaping. it is frankly gross.

and I don't understand how a dune can be cut through, destroyed and exposed like this? Don't we have a conservation committee and isn't their work to protect the dunes? what happened?

It is hard to look at it is so destroyed. One restaurant welcoming all and now this hole with everything clear cut to build for profit condominiums. and where was Zoning on this? It is a change of use and that is the purview of zoning. Have they fallen asleep?
8:11 pm est 

Saturday, December 17, 2016

The Legacy of Our Town Planner

Her legacy is the pit at 350 Bradford Street. The destruction of the major dune--not considered a dune by Conservation!!--the removal of all trees on the dune leaving one large pit.

I call it McPit after McPherson. This is her sense of town planning. Add the ugly barriers at Tedechi's and her legacy gets worse and worse. 

The developers are happy since this is all about profit. But when they win, so many of us who love this town lose.
2:19 pm est 

Re: Transparent Governance

This town hall is NOt Transparent

They want to camouflage their plans and projects. they don't really know what transparency is all about. It is not about letting your inner circle know what is happening and leaving the rest of the 2,000 voters in the dark.  Panagore having little tete a tetes with key selected people and whispering in their --ears is not what transparency is all about.

You are public servants--and the public needs to know the what and when and where of so many of these inside deals. A message few will ever learn.
2:16 pm est 

Re: CVS

The 'dumbing down' of America has a lot of potential in Provincetown. Laws not rules..you think past or present Provincetown 'officials' have been sitting around making up 'rules' about chain stores?  while your at the dick dock the chain store police are going to enforce your version of 'quaint'?  too bad intelligence and critical thinking can't be purchased.

2:11 pm est 

Re: Tom Donegan

Oh, really?
tom donegan is Offering Help to Those who are Depressed?

Maybe he himself should take his own advice. Now he is into depression and mental health---Really?

Hope he himself seeks help soon.
12:17 am est 

Friday, December 16, 2016

Re: Transparent Governance

Aren't We as the Public Such a Hindrance?

Aren't we but always a problem? Town Hall is sooo transparent but somehow we, the public, do not know how transparent they are. We the public are a perpetual problem especially to Mr. Bow Tie Panagore. Mr. Transparency who somehow doesn't like being transparent.

Such is life here in our sweet town. Forever transparent; forever clouded in camouflage.
8:57 pm est 

Re: Rumor Mills

Sounds like the town is responsible for lack of transparency relative to publishing minutes of meetings with appropriate follow up, otherwise incomplete records would not promote rumor mills.
8:52 pm est 

Re: Restaurant Rumor Mill

Yes, all documentation for the Pied restaurant was approved late last Spring so that the sale could go through. There was some talk about Roots being a part of this when it was a 200 seats proposal but I think that plan was scrapped now that it is 110 seats. Forgive me if I'm wrong... just relaying town doc. business.
2:04 pm est 

Re: Restaurant Rumor Mill
 
Who bought it? 
2:02 pm est 

Re: Restaurant Rumor Mill

I read the restaurant proposed at the Pied was to incorporate the Roots store.
2:01 pm est 

Potential Purchase of Harbor Hill

The BOS went into executive session Thursday to discuss potential purchase of Harbor Hill which at auction would be at least 10 million dollars for the 26 units being sold as a single lot (I'm using 500k per unit because of the water views and the current market). Shouldn't this be  brought before town meeting? BOS said they should discuss this privately because the public could be a hindrance to their efforts.
2:00 pm est 

Re: Restaurant Rumor Mill

This is how rumors perpetuate. Piedbar's sale did not go through as planned and they will be reopening in the Spring, according to verifiable sources.
1:58 pm est 

Thursday, December 15, 2016

Re: Restaurant Rumor Mill

Did anyone even notice that the Pied Bar closed for good this season and is slated to become a 120-seat restaurant?
5:02 pm est 

Re: Harbor Hill

 

Does anybody know what went on at Harbor Hill? Jobs lost, investments lost, it's a shame.

5:01 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Beacon

"I am Shamed that Mr. Worthington would Be so Crude As to Discuss Estate Issue when Amy Germaine has just died."

I've heard about the Beacon in here many times but have no idea how to access it. If it's Facebook, I don't have a Facebook account. Could someone repost what was posted by Mr. Worthington? He's actually from Truro, no?
12:25 pm est 

Re: Wayne Martin

Tarzan to Simpleton

Town no get Duarte's property, Town is mad about no get Duarte's  property, Town officials, board and committee members making big trouble  for Riley's and no give ok or permits to do what Riley' want. Now Simpleton understand what mean sour grapes and grow up?
10:04 am est 

Re: Wayne Martin

I really do feel sorry for the person who couldn't understand what Mr. Martin was saying. I think it's time for you to go back to school if you couldn't figure it out or maybe the booze and drugs have atrophied your brain. I don't see a problem with the way he expresses himself maybe the problem is your brains processing center is FUBAR!
10:03 am est 

Wayne Martin for Selectman

I understood what he said perfectly, it's plain as the nose on your face what he is relaying. The funny part about it is you are exactly the kind of person in this town he is referring to. He seems to be the only one who is willing and brave enough to tell the truth while putting his John Hancock to it. As far as him being a good selectmen goes I totally agree with you he would make a great one but for much different reasons then you ignorantly stated.
10:01 am est 

Town Manager - Weatherman?

Oh, WOW, Town Manager is Now our Weather Guy

Just what we needed. town manger telling us what the weather will be. How about strategic planning, vision and where Provincetown will be three years from now.

It's not the weather that we need Sir. We need leadership. Think that is possible. Please let us know.
10:00 am est 

Re: Vincent Currier

Vincent currier is a Loser

Best he keep silent. Say nothing more. You are an embarrassment. Time to move on--move away. You have become so distorted in your thinking it is hard to see you as a true member of this community.
9:57 am est 

Re: Provincetown Beacon

I am Shamed that Mr. Worthington would Be so Crude As to Discuss Estate Issue

when Amy Germaine has just died. How vulgar you are. State your loss and if you have any feelings--real feelings--  but let the estate issue alone. I am disgusted.

Crude to the bone.
9:56 am est 

Re: CVS

"A CVS will have employees like the other chains. Not Americans. We don't want those kind of jobs."  
 
RACIST/CLASSIST/AGEIST much??
9:47 am est 

Re: CVS

RE: The last thing a tourist needs is an another CVS that dots their landscape.

The last thing a tourist needs is to pay a $7 markup on a box of bandages. And, not everything needs to exist to please tourists. The townspeople deserve relatively fair/competitive pricing and variety without having to drive to Orleans. Also does S&S or Adams take GoodRX? It's an app for discounted medications.
9:45 am est 

Re: CVS

"A CVS will have employees like the other chains. Not Americans. We don't want those kind of jobs."

I don't know about who they would employ and don't care.  But, there will be little to no net increase in employment in town unless the total economic impact is increased.  In other words, unless a new store can add to the total sales of goods and services in town then there will be no need to have any increase in employees to assist in providing the goods and services.  If they took all the pharmacy business from S & S then S & S would lay off the work force.  If they take away half then S&S would lay off half.  so where is the gain? 

Any enterprise that does not increase the total business in town will not add any employees to the total workforce.  Adding another gas station will not increase gas sales in town.  Each present station would sell less and therefore hire fewer people. 
9:39 am est 

Re: CVS

I've heard so much at Town Meetings that competition is good! Well,put the votes where the comments are and have a Walmart & a Wendy's at the Riley (old Duarte) Property! When I go to Walmart's & Wendy's I see everybody from Provincetown! Build them & save yourselves a trip!
9:36 am est 

Restaurant Rumor Mill

Bubala's sold? To whom? Victor's for sale. Devon's for sale. What else?
9:28 am est 

Re: Wayne Martin

Wayne is like a jigsaw puzzle. Put his words together and try to figure out what he's saying. He'd be a fun Selectman
9:25 am est 

Re: Victor

Used a knife again but this time to cut off his ankle bracelet.

Is this true or fake news?
9:24 am est 

Monday, December 12, 2016

From Wayne Martin

Why don't the town officials tell Riley's what they can have there without opposition or the holding back of permits for BS reasons! It's sooooo obvious it's sour grapes because the Duarte's did not sell their property to the town and rightfully so after what this town put Joe through for years. Let the man put what he wants there within reason and leave him the hell alone time to start growing the hell up and get over yourselves!!! Seems to be a great deal of people in this town have an extreme amount of difficulty dealing with defeat whether it's the presidential election or the voting down of town articles, I suggests pulling your thumbs out of your mouths and  putting on your big boy pants, if you want to be productive instead of whining about      you can't change try finding ways to help your fellow man. In case I don't post again before the holidays have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
9:13 am est 

Re: CVS

A CVS will have employees like the other chains. Not Americans. We don't want those kind of jobs.
11:38 pm est 

Sunday, December 11, 2016

An Observation

Town Talk is town boring...
10:01 pm est 

Re: CVS

"Someone is splitting hairs and using semantics to define what a chain store is. No matter what they say,they are chain stores  and businesses and they are here and they provide services, merchandise and employment. That is why the town needs CVS."

I can't help with split hairs, but amybe I can help by asking what "services, merchandise and employment." that a CVS would provide that we don't have now.  I can't imagine what serives that are not available at S  & S.  What ne mechandise?  and, remember that unless  they were able to expand the market (which is highly unlikely or impossible) then how could they  need more employees and still have all the other stores retain theirs.  Withe the same amount of business people would simply move from on employer to another.  No net gain at all.
8:41 pm est 

Pick the Right Target

Victor does not get everything he wants, read the paper, he got arrested again last week. Used a knife again but this time to cut off his ankle bracelet. This is a very small town, with small town politics. Leave the BOS alone, they put in countless hours for nothing really. Pick on the Town Manager instead or better yet the Town Planner, they get a paycheck.
5:47 pm est 

Re: CVS

Rileys 'theater'?
 
If I remember correctly, the season was going to include nude males and drag queens. Not exactly O'Neill (we already have a very worthy local theater doing that) so I understand wanting to pander to a niche crowd. Except that we already have plenty of bars/venues offering nearly the same fare. Maybe not naked enough for you, but the town crying crocodile tears when Riley's got shot down. Except for you.
5:44 pm est 

Re: CVS

CVS will be the start of making our town ordinary and homogenized.
5:42 pm est 

Re: CVS

You Start to Look like Every Other town

and then you are no longer distinct. Tourists want and love that which is different and fitting for a town with some historic roots. Bad decision and I hope the town residents fight this so that CVS does not want to come here.
1:53 pm est 

Re: CVS

This is not the Place for a CVS

We don't need this business here. I would rather a club, some form of entertainment that tourists want. The last thing a tourist needs a another CVS that dots their landscape. It is neither quaint nor fitting this town.

give me a club anytime.
1:52 pm est 

Re: CVS

My bet is the town will be better served by a CVS then another bar/"theater"/entertainment venue with drunks spilling onto the street and random "pokes" occurring in the neighbors bushes

Well said !  Bring on a nicely designed CVS in the center of town like they have in other Cape towns

Please modernize the Downtown area - that block in the center of town on Commercial looks like a dump !  Those landlords collect 100K plus rents and the buildings look like run down shacks.

Let's make this town look and have the services appropriate for all the money that is flowing into here.
9:33 am est 

Re: CVS

CVS WILL HURT THE CURRENT PHARMACIES IN TOWN (S&S &OUTER CAPE HEALTH) THEY WILL PROVIDE VERY LITTLE FULL TIME JOBS, JUST LIKE S&S, I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS A SPACE TO PROMOTE PROVINCETOWN 2020!!!!
9:31 am est 

Saturday, December 10, 2016

Re: Noise Bylaw

The Petition on the Noise by-Law was presented to the town by two abutters but it was David Panagore who stated at a BOS meeting that he would write the Noise by-Law and it is this that was presented at Town Meeting. However, Town Counsel, at that town Meeting, stated that the Noise by-Law, as written, contradicted Town by-laws and state by-laws and could not go forward. It was Panagore's article that had to be pulled because it was flawed and wrongly worded. It takes one lawyer to know another lawyer....
 
10:22 pm est 

Re: Chain Stores

So lets get this straight.
You don't want a CVS because it will harm the business at Adams but allowed the Stop & Shop to have a pharmacy. You don't want chains in the town for fear it will harm the economy but allow Cumberland Farms and Stop & Shop into town. Of course, Cumberland Farms and Stop & Shop provide a much needed service but CVS doesn't? We have high end and high cost restaurants and bars in the town and to the other end, we have a soup kitchen, free to some that can't afford to buy lunch and very inexpensive to those that can yet we don't want a McDonalds or Burger King in town because that would hurt the economy of he town. Keep in mind that we had two Cumberland Farms, a Tedeschi's and a Stop & shop and I don't remember any small shops that sold similar products closing as a result of it. We have both an Ace Hardware and a True Value in the town and neither store has closed and as a matter of fact, both got bigger!
For what it's worth, a Wallmart might be a good thing. Where else does a person buy their clothes in this town?
10:21 pm est 

Re: Noise Bylaw

"and then the town, under Panagore, wrote a noise restriction that unfortunately was so poorly written that it had to be denied by town counsel at town meeting."

That bylaw at town meeting wasn't drafted by town staff. It was a citizen petition by the very same neighbors who opposed the Riley's theater over noise concerns.
7:44 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

Hey, a $4 burger might be cheaper then the soup kitchen.
7:43 pm est 

Re: CVS

"A club fit well with the location and would have been great. a CVS is disgusting."

My bet is the town will be better served by a CVS then another bar/"theater"/entertainment venue with drunks spilling onto the street and random "pokes" occurring in the neighbors bushes. Not sorry at all about that torch being doused. Things didn't go your way, but you can be damn sure more then 2 people didn't want a bar there. 
7:42 pm est 

Re: Don't We Have a Rule that Bars Chains From Provincetown?

This town is going to hell really fast with 7-Eleven and CVS coming to town.  What's next? A Walmart?
9:09 am est 

Re: CVS

Someone is splitting hairs and using semantics to define what a chain store is. No matter what they say,they are chain stores  and businesses and they are here and they provide services, merchandise and employment. That is why the town needs CVS.
9:08 am est 

Re: Victor's

USING TOWN WATER

SINCE VICTOR BUILT THE CONDOS, RESTURANT, AND THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET, HIS LANDSCAPE AREAS HAVE BEEN WATERED NOT BUT HIS OWN WELL BUT WITH TOWN WATER AND THE TOWN BEEN TOLD AND CONTINUES TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

THE SWAMP NEEDS TO BE CLEANED OUT!
9:07 am est 

Friday, December 9, 2016

Re: CVS

Oh, Yes, Two People Who Didn't Want Noise Next to Riley's

and then the town, under Panagore, wrote a noise restriction that unfortunately was so poorly written that it had to be denied by town counsel at town meeting. Two people crying about "awful noise" that would come from a club. so now we get a CVS and what is next? a Macdonald's!

A club fit well with the location and would have been great. a CVS is disgusting. It opens up the town to franchises and suburban life.

Two people protested and the BOS became emotional and stood up for stopping loud noise. what a foolish action that now brings this--a CVS--to Bradford Street.

I am disgusted by this decision. Poorly thought out and with the blessing of the BOS. No vision. No strategic thinking.
8:35 pm est 

Re: CVS

So who got the          to allow CVS to come into town?

The town needs to be audited.

The swamp needs to be drained.

This issue needs to be raised people! They are killing the town for money!

Someone is gaining. They need to be accountable.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!
7:42 pm est 

Re: Chain Stores
 
"Can you imagine what a $4 burger would do to this town?"

Yeah, it would give ordinary folks and tourists a reasonably priced meal so that they don't have to mortgage the house to eat lunch.  Maybe then they could spend the money saved on Tee shirts, knick knacks and bric a brac from some of the other retailers in town. 

I'll tell you my story.  When a popular "             " opened a couple years back, me and the hubby tried it out.  I ordered the lobster roll from the special board.  The waiter asked me if I wanted fries with that.  I naturally thought he was presenting my with an option like fries instead of chips or cole slaw. 

Imagine my surprise when the check came and I was charged $10.00 extra for one potatoes worth of french fries! That was on top of the $18.00 special lobster roll.  No use arguing about it.  He asked me and I said yes.

Needless to say, we never went back there to eat.  We still see a show there now and then, but their food will never again cross my lips or assault my wallet.

I'll stick to the               for lobster rolls.
7:38 pm est 

Re: Confirmation Requested

File this one under fake news.


Didn't happen, he was not arrested, not tracked down, no threats, nothing.
7:33 pm est 

Re: Donegan & Andrews

Are We Carrying spouses on town-funded insurance plans?

This is not what we voted for. Even giving selectmen insurance was an oddity but surely we are not here to fund their spouses. Some transparency here would be good.
7:31 pm est 

Re: Chain Stores

If you bothered to read the bylaws or follow the meetings when Kiehl's and the little yogurt shop next to Twisted Pizza opened, you'd know that town can only regulate the physical design of stores so that they fit in (no drive-thrus, no big signs, etc.). Town can't stop competition or prohibit a particular company from operating here.

If you want to protest CVS, talk to their corporate office and the Rileys. Neighbors protested the theater they wanted to open this summer, and CVS has been eyeing that site for years.

You can see the CVS proposal that was submitted to the Historic District Commission on the town web site: http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/16635
7:30 pm est 

Re: Donegan & Andrews

Can someone confirm the Selectman are really receiving Health Insurance???? WTF Seriously
 
7:28 pm est 

An Inquiry - Victor's

I know its off season, but why does the town allow Victor to use the parking lot in front of his development for his own personal staging area for construction  and landscape material? Just sayin, he gets everything he wants from this town.
 

7:27 pm est 

Re: Don't We Have a Rule that Bars Chains From Provincetown?

"Our two hardware store are parts of national chains and so are most of our real estate businesses. So I think precedent has been well set that chains are not only allowed but welcomed and certainly needed for goods, services and employment. Most everyone will welcome CVS for these reasons."

NO they are not.  They belong to buying groups.  They are locally owned not owned by a "Chain".  Subway is franchised. And with that goes the identification system that makes it look just like a Subway in Everett or the Bronx.  CVS stores are really chains.  They are owned by a major Corporation and have the same general appearance no matter here they are located. 

A chain can be defined by ownership and number of locations.  If chains were allowed in town then Provincetown would no longer have even close to the present look and feel.  A unique shopping mall does not exist.  They all have a mixture of chains with a smattering of local flavor.  A shopping mall in Chelsea has the same look and feel as one in Dallas.  If that is what most in town want then that is what we'll get.  Then we can stay or go.  Personally, I'll go.
7:25 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

A final note to the issue with the soup kitchen ...

My best friend dines there several times a week. If you saw her would she fit your mold of "looks needy", likely no. That being said since she was charged out of her proper unemployment by a crooked boss she can't afford rent and bills and still feed herself 3 meals a day now that she's out of work for 2 months. Does she dress well? yes, does she drive a decent car? Yes but can she find a job to help right now? No

Don't assume you know someone's needs based on your perception. In season she does very well but now the money has left town.
7:23 pm est 

From Wayne Martin

This is the contents of the Email in its entirety that I sent to the Truro TM after she refused to meet with or talk to the parties involved in the latest TPD criminal action, which she obviously could not wait to start sharing with people she was not supposed to be sharing it with. My Email was sent just hours before the lastest slanderous lie was posted about me on Mypacc!
Email to Truro TM goes as follows (The problem is there is no date and time it was 100% fabricated by the TPD!!! It supposedly occurred on Dec 1st this is what was related to me by the EPO I have no idea when or where. I was told you could find this out seeing how it's my understanding that your the TPD's direct boss now, that's why I'm coming to you for answers! I and several others will be talking to Mr. Bumps attorney and others about handling our cases against the town of Truro pertaining to police misconduct and corruption. You and the selectmen have been notified several times about what has been going on with the TPD, how they have been committing crimes and violating citizens rights and you have utterly failed to correct the problem in fact it just seems to be getting worse! In case you didn't know this makes all of you culpable in their illegal acts and liable for their past and future misdeeds.
Just to make it perfectly clear and like I have told you and the selectmen in the past several of us that know them all to well do not consider the TPD a Law enforcement agency they are to be considered a criminal entity who are dangerous to the public and never to be trusted!!! I would hope when it's time to replace Takakjian "who should have been fired a long time for his crimes" which I'm told will be soon you should go outside the Department to hire a chief seeing how most of them belong behind bars and this will be the only way the TPD will ever have a chance to be respected by the local citizens. Unless I'm mistaken it seems that once again you will refuse to meet with me or any of us on these matters and you will do as little for us as possible! Your job is not to protect criminals it's to serve the public and the taxpayers I suggest you and the selectmen start doing it.
I should have known that you would be of no assistance to me because of your past actions in similar matters that was my mistake thinking any of you have changed.
Once again I'm requesting that this correspondence is forwarded to the selectmen in a public forum to make the public aware of what continues to go on with the TPD and their town officials!
I also intend to notify the papers of your refusal to look into these matters or even take them seriously in any way.
So you know barring any unforeseen difficulties I will be running for selectmen again and any harassment, slander or libelous statements coming from the TPD or Truro town officials will not be tolerated as this was the case last time I ran.)
I would love to see them try to arrest me for threatening any one based on this email. What the Truro TM did just do is conspire with the TPD to intimidate me and others which will certainly be helpful in the lawsuit against the Town of Truro.

7:21 pm est 

Re: Donegan & Andrews

What fool would deny health insurance for a selectman? These people volunteer countless hours to the business of the town every year for no pay to speak of. The Chair is almost full time, if not that at least. Stop complaining and take care of our public employees and volunteers, they are hard to find and to keep.
7:14 pm est 

From Wayne Martin - Re: Confirmation Requested

Are you people absolutely friggin nuts no I did not threatnen the Truro town manager not get arrested for anything and I most certainly did not ever use dogs to hunt deer with like the TPD reported to the EPO's which they and the rangers already knew for a fact from seeing me and talking me while hunting last week. What did happen is the TPD got caught making a false report to a law enforcement agency which is a crime and slandered me at the same time!!!  After which I informed the Truro TM and the Selectmen in the form of Email because she refused to meet or talk to the parties involved in the matter that this would be added to the lawsuit that I and several others either already have or are in the process of against the Town of Truro.
To the admins of Mypacc this is exactly why this site and others like it should not allow lying losers to post anonymous slanderous lies about others!
7:13 pm est 

Re: Don't We Have a Rule that Bars Chains From Provincetown?

"Surely a CVS will hurt Adams Pharmacy and hurt Outer Cape Health pharmacy. And even more, it creates a suburban look for this historic town."

Ha ha ha, are you kidding me? Anything historic about this town is being erased at an alarming rate. Rich people are buying up historic houses, gutting and pottery-barn-ing them so fast it makes one's head spin. They're unrecognizable and dwarfed by the giant, looming McMansions. Commercial St. looks like one giant flea market. The historic character of this town is a thing of the distant past. Face it, people come here to shop, drink, and have sex. Nobody is visiting to admire the historic architecture.
11:34 pm est 

Re: Don't We Have a Rule that Bars Chains From Provincetown?

Chains in Provincetown? Sure,there are a few. The main thing is to keep out McDonald's. Can you imagine what a $4 burger would do to this town?
11:32 pm est 

Confirmation Requested

Can someone confirm if Wayne Martin got arrested in Truro for threatening the town manager And resisting arrest.
11:31 pm est 

Re: Don't We Have a Rule that Bars Chains From Provincetown?

Our two hardware store are parts of national chains and so are most of our real estate businesses. So I think precedent has been well set that chains are not only allowed but welcomed and certainly needed for goods, services and employment. Most everyone will welcome CVS for these reasons.
11:30 pm est 

Re: Donegan & Andrews

So Donegan and Andrews got insurance they weren't entitled to receive.  Did they reimburse the Town?  How much are we talking about?
11:28 pm est 

Thursday, December 8, 2016

Re: Tom Donegan

"This is Donegan promoting Donegan for the benefit of Donegan."

That's what politicians do. It's literally the job of a politician to promote him/herself. That's how they win votes. Are you going to criticize him next for raising money? 
1:08 pm est 

Re: Don't We Have a Rule that Bars Chains From Provincetown?

Anyone or any entity can buy property. It only matters when they do something with the property, then it goes to the proper boards. And if there is a bylaw against chains, why was it ok for Subway to have opened years ago and Cumberland Farms, Tedeschi's, Stop & Shop, Marc Jacobs and Cuffy's?
12:15 pm est 

Don't We Have a Rule that Bars Chains From Provincetown?

Didn't we vote to stop major franchises from being in Provincetown? didn't we vote so that we would not have a McDonald's or a Dunkin Donuts here? and if we did, then how is a CVS going to be on Bradford at Riley's--the store that Joe Duarte owned for so many years? Surely a CVS will hurt Adams Pharmacy and hurt Outer Cape Health pharmacy. And even more, it creates a suburban look for this historic town.

And why isn't there more public information about the purchase by CVS for this property? Where is at least the Banner on this story? And have the plans gone to Zoning? It is a change of use at the very least and that is the purview of zoning. where is Zoning these days?
11:17 am est 

Wednesday, December 7, 2016

Re: Recount Update
 
What a scam indeed!! The election is over, Stein has absolutely no chance, Hillary conceded the race and NOW they start a recount? The money raised by Stein for this scam is more than she raised for her entire campaign and the fact is she's getting money for "a good idea" from disheartened Hillary supporters. I guess that's why they call it the "green" party. ;)
7:33 pm est 

Re: Tom Donegan

"Don't you expect politicians to communicate with their constituents about what the are up to?"

You must be more of a fan of the cucumbers than me.  This is Donegan promoting Donegan for the benefit of Donegan.  This group of cucumbers all have their own agenda. 

Donegan wanted to add health insurance for the Selectmen because it wouldn't affect him and he wasn't going to run again.  He was so pure in his thoughts.   Then surprise!  He's running for re-election and signs up for the family health plan so not only are residents paying for his health insurance, they are paying for his husband as well.  I asked about it, was told only individual policies were budgeted.  Seems that didn't matter to Donegan and Andrews, they both signed up for family plans to cover their spouses and taxpayers are left paying for it.
5:35 pm est 

Recount Update

Per AP, Trump widened his margin over Clinton in Wisconsin by 146 votes, with 23 of the state's 72 counties finishing their recounts as of yesterday. In those counties, Trump gained 105 votes and Clinton dropped 41 votes. Trump won Wisconsin by over 22,000 votes.

Recount in Michigan is still up in the air with a court ruling that Jill Stein did not receive enough votes to challenge the totals. She is appealing that ruling.

Stein raised about $7 million, much of it in small individual contributions, to fund this recount effort. There is no credible evidence of polling misconduct or manipulation in these states. What a waste of time scam.
5:33 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

It's a great place that helps folks - whether it be to our fellow residents that need a meal or our fellow residents that emotionally seek company.

If there are a few scamming the system - that's on them and their burden to bear.

Let's celebrate the good that the Soup Kitchen does.

5:31 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen - An Alternate View



"If you somehow have a problem with that, you should really take a good look at yourself. It's not normal or healthy to sit around criticizing those in need and the volunteers who help them."



Unlike you, I have been a volunteer for SKIP and what you claim to have observed, does not represent the majority of people I personally served.  That was why I stopped volunteering.  Increasingly, the number of people who were standing in line could well afford a meal.  Many are working and take their lunch break at SKIP.  Dont try to represent the majority of people who are taking advantage of the services there as needy.  It has become more of a social organization and maybe it should be funded in a more appropriate way.  SKIP should provide a suggested donation amounts for all menu items to help guest understand the cost of paying it forward and assisting those who struggle with food insecurity. .The funds collected could then be used to cover the operating costs of SKIP while also covering the cost of the meals for those who come in and are unable to contribute the suggested donation amount for their meals.

5:30 pm est 

Re: Tom Donegan

Don't you expect politicians to communicate with their constituents about what the are up to? Don't you expect politicians to spin things positively for themselves? If you don't, what planet are you living on? It's like your criticizing a turkey for gobbling.
9:39 am est 

Tom Donegan

Why is Donegan frequently speaking on the radio on behalf of the Selectmen? Is the chair incapable of speaking for the Selectmen? Is the vice chair incapable of speaking? Never mind, I probably already know that answer. Seems Donegan is promoting himself again. Look how great I am!!!
11:02 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen - An Alternate View

Happened to be at the thrift store at the Methodist church around lunch time today and saw the people lined up for a meal. Anybody who believes the people having lunch there are just a bunch of people who can afford to eat elsewhere but prefer to cheat the system, should actually go there for a meal. I saw the elderly, I saw a woman in a wheelchair, I saw a mother with three small children. Whether or not these people qualify as poverty level is nobody's business, but believe me, they didn't look like wel-to-do people looking for a handout.

My guess is some folks eat there out of financial need, some may be lonely people who's social interaction is limited to these daily gatherings, others may have mental health issues that aren't immediately apparent. Whatever the reason, the soup kitchen provides a friendly gathering place and a hot, nutritious meal for anybody who wants it at a reasonable cost.

If you somehow have a problem with that, you should really take a good look at yourself. It's not normal or healthy to sit around criticizing those in need and the volunteers who help them.

And there are many degrees and definitions of "in need," not just yours.
11:01 pm est 

Tuesday, December 6, 2016

Re: Soup Kitchen

HONESTLY, ALL THIS BITCHIN ABOUT THE KITCHEN!

PLEASE SUPPORT THE TOY DRIVE FUNDRAISED TONITE AT KOOKS AT THE GROTTO BAR, ALL GEARED TOWARD THE CHILDREN OF PROVINCETOWN, CERTAINLY WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THIS IS A WORTH CAUSE AND THE CHILDREN DESERVE IT

........OR SHOULD WE ASK TO SEE THE TAX RETURNS OF THEIR PARENTS BEFORE GIVING THEM PRESENTS.

THE MORE YOU GIVE AWAY THE MORE COMES BACK TO YOU.....DON'T BE STINGY WE ARE ALL BLESSED.
10:58 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

Oh, Julia Perry is NOW Upset and Complaining

I believe those are called crocodile tears. What a great view she now has without all the trees in the way!
10:57 pm est 

Re: SKIP

Provincetown in the winter isn't the easiest place to live. It's dark. It's gray. It's not easy to get around if you're not young and spritely. Making to Stop and Shop and back with your groceries can be difficult if you don't have a car. On top of that, there aren't a ton of places people can go to interact, socialize, see other people. We don't have a central community center. We don't have a community pool. We don't even have a central, easy to get to diner-type, inexpensive restaurant that would serve as a gathering place for a lot of people.

So the soup kitchen plays a very integral role here in the winter, yes, for people who can't afford meals, but also for people who need some human interaction, who value community, and who just need an excuse to get out of the house to see people once a day. Where else would they gather? Lopes Square? (Too cold.) The Mayflower? (Closed.) The high school? (Not really set up for this type of thing.) The pool? (Don't have one.)

This need, and the hole SKIP fills, is way more important than any of the petty, small-minded, nit picky criticisms any of you are leveling against it. If you think it's worth your time to criticize the soup kitchen and its role in our community, you seriously need to re-think your life priorities, and your status as a contributing member of our community. You're the problem, not the soup kitchen.

With all that said, I have never been to the soup kitchen. I have enough means, people around, and physical ability to get by in the winter on my own. So I do not use the soup kitchen for anything. In fact, I donate to it and support it. But even though I do not need it, and even though I recognize that it is NOT a traditional soup kitchen, I can see the very important value it has in our town. Let's move on.
10:56 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

Maybe Now Abutters to 350 Bradford Street Wish These Plans Had Been Presented to Zoning

which they should have been. But now you have only Planning and Planning's easy approval for plans that are not even architectural plans. All that is being constructed there only required, according to some at town hall, planning. Really? How strange? You can't put up a shed without going to Zoning and now seven buildings will go up without any needed approval from Zoning? there are no engineering plans and soon this hill which is a dune will collapse and you will wish you had not been swayed by nice talk from developers.

Look at it now. Look and weep my friends. You had a chance but...you blew it. And there will be many tears shed on what will finally be built here with odd density, falling dunes, water that will still build up in driveways and rather unappealing buildings stuck together to maximize one thing: profits.
10:53 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

"It is not made clear that most of the meals served are to people who can well afford to eat in a restaurant, but are choosing a free or cheaper alternative (by making a small donation)."



That is the point!  Fundraising for this organization is misleading.  It has become a social club first and s few needy residents are fed as well.  But those individuals have to wait in line behind the people who have to get back to work.  Many are town employees who are paid well and cannot even put money back in to the local economy and buy a lunch.  The people who are eating a SKIP regularly are probably the same people who complain because few restaurants stay open in the winter.

10:50 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen


It's not a matter of judging others.  No one we know has unlimited funds to give to good causes, of which there are so many.  So we'll simply favor other charities where the money has a better impact on those in need.

10:10 am est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

 

Oh, Julia Perry is NOW Upset and Complaining

that the developers--and yes they are developers--have cut down the trees on the hill. Really, Julia? This is a surprise? Really? Please...are you this naïve?

Oh, you believed the words from Chris wise that they would do what YOU wanted and would treat the land with YOUR sensitivity. Really? You believed this?

How sad that you are now the victim of their fantasies.

10:07 am est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

 

Yes, Call the soup Kitchen Something Else

Call it Shankpainter Kitchen; or call it Gloria's Kitchen; or call it Today's Delight. It is not a soup Kitchen when the poor,--we don't talk about anyone being poor anymore--or the needy or those who could use a      free meal are not the major eaters in this so called eatery.

I love Dorothy Day and the Catholic Worker and I love all those who are there for the poor, for the needy and for those whose income leads them to need something like a soup kitchen.

But to have this place that feeds those who feel entitled to lunch--I am against this. they should go either home for a sandwich or go to a restaurant. But this is not the place for you. I don't care that you throw in ten dollars or even more. This is not what this place was set up to be.

You are not poor. you are not hungry. You do not belong here.

End of story.

10:05 am est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

 

Who gives a rat's ass who eats where and when? What happened to New England live and let live? Weak assed back stabbing busy bodies seem to be the norm here. Pathetic.

10:00 am est 

Re: Soup Kitchen


What is wrong with people??  SKIP serves a multi-functional purpose in this town which happens to be non-exclusionary in nature.  While its' roots may have stemmed from the old soup kitchen (helping the unfortunate) model, that is NOT what it is in Provincetown.  And please note, they are not going to change their name because you disagree with their ideology.  Yes, the program feeds those who cannot afford to eat elsewhere.  It also feeds those of us who can afford the Red Inn or Fanizzi's. And just as importantly, the program provides the much needed social outlet for many who need this kind of interaction with peers and the community at large, who otherwise would most likely go without it.  We understand you don't like what it has become. You feel that people who can afford to eat a local restaurant should go there, however, then they miss out on the magic of the community at the Church every day, and trust me, it's magical.  Hate the idea? We got it.  You don't need to keep saying it over and over again and pretending you are a different person writing the same crap every day trying to tear down yet another positive Provincetown institution.  Try looking at it as the positive entity that it has become for so many people.  In the end, it's really none of your business whether someone pays for the meal or not. Like the Reverend JC has preached in the past "That's between the person and God. It's not our place to be judgemental".

9:56 am est 

Monday, December 5, 2016

Re: Vote Recount

"She's a scam artist like her benefactor.
 A man would be put before a jury and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

Pity the men. The true victims of the world. Male tears.
 
 
6:15 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen
 
"They are a private organization, so are free to do as they please. They should change their name, however, as it is misleading to call it a soup kitchen when that usually means feeding the needy. Given that so many of those taking advantage of their services are not needy, we'll be giving our charitable dollars to more worthy causes, and will be throwing out future soup kitchen mailings."  
 
Judge NOT, lest ye be judged! MANY do need the soup kitchen, and you do not get to decide who is poor peoples' level of worthiness. If you want to do something useful, then either start paying $5 a lunch, or get on the board and work on ways to help weed out the moneyed scammers!!
6:12 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

They are a private organization, so are free to do as they please. They should change their name, however, as it is misleading to call it a soup kitchen when that usually means feeding the needy.

Given that so many of those taking advantage of their services are not needy, we'll be giving our charitable dollars to more worthy causes, and will be throwing out future soup kitchen mailings.
3:33 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

Re: Soup Kitchen


 
"Can't really understand why people are so angry about the soup kitchen. It doesn't use tax dollars or public funds, does it? My understanding is that it relies on donations, correct? So how is it hurting anyone?"

The problem is that they collect donations while misrepresenting the mission of the organization.  Many visitors and part-time residents are led to believe that money collected is to assist the needed with a good meal.  It is not made clear that most of the meals served are to people who can well afford to eat in a restaurant, but are choosing a free or cheaper alternative (by making a small donation).  Collection efforts should make clear that this is a social club that also feeds those in need.  I can't believe the local restaurants contribute to this cause to provide an alternative to their establishments, but the local residents (not truly in need)who feel entitled  to any hand out they can get and are always first in line.

Some of us are angry because SKIP is just another example of some of our neighbors taking advantage of the system and expecting others to make their lives a little easier on someone else's dime.
9:55 am est 

Re: Vote Recount

Jill Stein is a scam artist! Raise 7M in a fraud scheme on uninformed people, dump the recount and pocket the dough. She needs to return the unused portions to the donors. This is fraud pure and simple. How many bet that she'll keep the $$??

She's a scam artist like her benefactor.

Why do women think just because of their gender, they are beyond reproach. A man would be put before a jury and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.....and his career ruined. Think Petreus, Snowden...even Bill Clinton. 
8:56 am est 

Now Abutters to 350 Bradford Are Complaining

Now? Really? Oh, you believed they were going to save the trees on the hill--really a dune--when their goal is to clear cut everything.

And you believed the weekly calls from the developer whispering sweet nothings in your ear. Well, my dears--now you know the sad reality of sweet nothings.
1:07 am est 

Sunday, December 4, 2016

Mark My word

The cutting down of this tree in front of the rec building is a sign of more to come. the role of the proposed Tree Warden is to legitimize the cutting of any tree that stands in the way of bike paths, sidewalks on Conwell Street, and any new dev elopement. It is not based on a love of trees or an appreciation of the importance of trees--both shade and Memorial Trees--but a devious way to allow any tree that stands in the way of a developer's plans or the town's sometimes wacky city designs for our streets.

Beware he who comes dressed in the clothing of the lamb!
12:04 pm est 

Lobster Pot Decorations

What happened to the lobster pot decorations of the past 2 or 3 years? It seemed like a very friendly competition that gave the town a great holiday feeling.
12:02 pm est 

Vote Recount

According to AP, Jill Stein just dropped her recount request in Penn.  This means she is now only proceeding in Mich. and Wisc.

Since all three states had to be overturned in Hiliary's favor to change the election, that very long-shot just became impossible, as many said it was all along.

So to those who contributed money, you were effectively scammed.
12:01 pm est 

Saturday, December 3, 2016

Holly Folly Weekend

The lack of holiday decorations downtown for Holly Folly weekend is an embarrassment to the guild that sponsors this event. Thanks to the few businesses that have decorated.
10:30 am est 

Re: Hillary Wasn't the Right One?

"Feel good until you burn up in a pile of nuclear explosion and we are all damned! He is your man. and you deserve him totally! Bombs away, kids!"

Wow......you really are negative.
9:09 am est 

Friday, December 2, 2016

Re: Hillary Wasn't the Right One?

Oh, and so now you have that idiot, that mega-manic, that disoriented dualistic personality called DT. He is a crazy man, one big, fat ego without a thinking brain.

so, good for you that you feel good you don't have Hillary. but now, you have this sicko, demagogue as president.

He is the most dangerous person ever--to be president. He will destroy more than your sense of satisfaction, my friend, when he bombs Iran, then North Korea and hardly knows what the hell to do with Syria. He doesn't even know where it is!

Feel good until you burn up in a pile of nuclear explosion and we are all damned! He is your man. and you deserve him totally! Bombs away, kids!
9:06 pm est 

Re: Oh, Really!!!

Do any of you read? The article clearly states that Waldo reviewed the tree and had an arborist there to explain the tree has no chance. My own passerby inspection can determine that. The tree is enormous, is too big for the place where it is, has 99% of its roots under the pavement which is never good for plants or trees, (think support structure and water/food intake), it's rotted up high so when it rains, the water runs into the tree and rots the core, has been cut and trimmed over the years by the power companies to keep the branches from interfering with the wires and as a result, the entire tree is leaning over (an seemingly more each week) and looming over the municipal building known as the community center. Should we just wait for the inevitable, where he tree falls over in a wind storm or heavy snow and crushes the building resulting in a loss to the community and will have a cleanup cost along with the cost of removing the now fallen tree or do we take it at a cost but prior to damage to a building or God forbid a person? THINK people, THINK.

And as far as Yingling voting no, give me a break. Grandma has no say in the matter and he has no clue other than trying to make grammy happy. Get a clue if you want to be a selectman. Everything, trees included, have a time limit and this tree is at it's end.
9:04 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

If I can feed several for what I'd spend for one meal at one your crappy options then I think very nicely fit into the mission statement.

Also I would never put money into the hands of one of the towns most hated "residents".

It is arbitrarily illegal to qualify people to eat at a soup kitchen / non-profit / whatever you wish to call it.

And as for the bears raising money for the location over the summer that is not a fundraiser handled by SKIP so what might have been stated wasn't stated by the charity.

The soup kitchens fundraiser is tomorrow and at that event you'll see the board members. Discuss with them your concerns and have them laugh in your face for thinking hat providing community in a town where we end up with such a few number of residents in the winter is so much less important than feeding people. Nourishing people isn't always about food.
9:00 pm est 

Re: Oh, Really!!!
 
"The tree in front of the Rec building must go. Oh, Really!"
 
Oh, I Saw That the Tree is Being Destroyed

thanks for providing a perspective on the proposed Tree Warden and why it may not be good for Provincetown. maybe this tree in front of the recreation building is a symbol of what is to come. Even here it appears that by cutting this tree and determining that it is "diseased" that any development can now have all the land to plan, propose and build. the tree will now be gone and not in the way of future development.

How expedient that this tree is "diseased" and they found someone to attest to its poor state of being!! I think you could find another arborist who would find that it can be saved.
11:57 am est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

Maybe It shouldn't Be Called a soup Kitchen

Call it Jack's Place or Happy Horizons or Lucky Lunch but don't call it a soup kitchen when those who are not in need are being fed and feel just fine in so doing. Call it what it is and  not what it is not.

and I say this caring that those who do need lunch and whose income are low are being taken care of. that is such a good thing but for those who are too cheap to go to a restaurant and pay for what they eat, I am offended by what they take for granted.
11:55 am est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

"Nobody who is homeless or destitute is being denied food because of others eating there. So if people want to use it as a community gathering place, let them. I say that is a wonderful thing. Why would anybody be angry about that?"

Why you ask.  Answer: because there are a few people here that love being angry.  They would prefer to be negative and angry that anything else in life.  Unhappy to their cores.
11:53 am est 

Re: Election Circus

"Face it, she couldn't have done anything more or less to have pleased the populace. That's ingrained sexism, period".

I'd like to see a woman president too someday....but not that woman. She wasn't a good person....America saw that. You'll have your chance, be patient.
11:52 am est 

Re: Election Circus

"You can't control women grieving or being angry any more then women can stop men from raping and battering women".

Really?  Is that how you were conceived?
11:51 am est 

Re: Election Circus

"She should have this. She should have that. Face it, she couldn't have done anything more or less to have pleased the populace. That's ingrained sexism, period.

So please, shut up. You can't control women grieving or being angry any more then women can stop men from raping and battering women."
 
Uhhhh.....speaking of sexism..... ^^^
11:48 am est 

Thursday, December 1, 2016

Oh, Really!!!

The tree in front of the Rec building must go. Oh, Really!

and we have Rich Waldo affirming the need to cut down, chop it down, tree.

so here we have Mr. Tree Warden--a man who is not an arborist. a man who does not know trees. But he is Gloria McPherson's boy --that is the only term I can use.

He is the future Tree Warden--a position he uses to help any and all developers--cut down any tree that is in THEIR way.  He cares nothing about us or our trees. He is a patsy and that is sad but worse: he is a front for the developers.

Waldo will do what they want and so many of Provincetown's trees are now at risk.

10:41 pm est 

Re: Town Manager

I Would find It Interesting

To see what people would want this town manager to do. He seems in limbo. what issues and what strategies should define his term?

I would be so pleased to hear from what people who live here and care about this town would want this man to do.
10:05 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

Can't really understand why people are so angry about the soup kitchen. It doesn't use tax dollars or public funds, does it? My understanding is that it relies on donations, correct? So how is it hurting anyone?

Nobody who is homeless or destitute is being denied food because of others eating there. So if people want to use it as a community gathering place, let them. I say that is a wonderful thing. Why would anybody be angry about that?
9:08 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

"Soup Kitch·en

noun

noun: soup kitchen; plural noun: soup kitchens

Aplace where free food is served to those who are homeless or destitute."



Please site your source, which causes concern since Aplace is not a word.



9:07 pm est 

Re: Election Circus

"Just because she wasn't elected this is an affront to women? She destroyed herself. She should have kept celebrities out of the mix..."

She should have this. She should have that. Face it, she couldn't have done anything more or less to have pleased the populace. That's ingrained sexism, period.

So please, shut up. You can't control women grieving or being angry any more then women can stop men from raping and battering women. 
9:02 pm est 

Re: "Done, Next"

If you don't like the topics people are writing about, choose another blog.  It's up to the webmaster to decide what is appropriate or even desirable to post, not you, so take your smarmy attitude and start your own blog if this one bores you.
Done.
9:01 pm est 

Re: Soup Kitchen

If the soup kitchen is there to serve the community and provide a free meal to even those individuals that can afford to pay to eat in a restaurant, then don't ask me to pick up your tab.  Just another example of the entitled attitude that many of the low life residents of this town has.  Let's supplement their rent, pay them unemployment and give them free food.  A very high percentage of these residents are scam artists and they are not fooling anyone.  Surprisingly this is the kind of residents that the selectman wants to attract to this town.
9:26 am est 

Re: Soup Kitchen
 
"A place where free food is served to those who are homeless or destitute."

So hand out homeless or destitute cards and anyone not having one has to pay

Done, next
9:24 am est 

Smoking Banned Across US

SMOKING BANNED IN PUBLIC HOUSING ACROSS THE USA NEXT YEAR

In today's Boston Globe Newspaper, there is an article stating that the US Government is banning smoking in all public housing across the USA.

I guess that the smokers in all of the affordable housing in Provincetown will find designated smoking areas outside of the boundaries of their property.

It is a challenge at times with snow, rain, sleet. winds and cold.
8:25 am est 


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