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DEK: A letter from Provincetown


“L’Affaire Sal’s Place: Money and Meanness in the New Ptown."


By Peter Manso


The first thing you notice when you walk into the resurrected Sal’s Place, in the heart of Provincetown’s West End, is the hustle and bustle of a hot restaurant: the place is packed, the noise level is high, and the servers scoot nonstop to and from the close-set tables. There’s a museum-quality Hawthorne and other class art on the walls, but the place still has a fish shack feel, with exposed rafters and the rhythmic slop of the bay against the pilings on which the waterfront building partially sits. And the food—the Brodetto or Zuppa di Pesce that one Facebook blogger raves about as “so wonderful that Marcella [Hazen] herself would flip,”—well, let me tell you, the Zuppa is so sweet, so transporting in its plummy, tomato-y tannic richness as to have made Sal’s the vacation spot’s dining destination of choice near overnight.

All this was pretty much the word around town last summer when the fifty-four year old Sal’s Place reopened under new management. But the food wasn’t the only things people were talking about. There were also whispers that the owner—a single, self-described blue-collar woman who’d originally arrived in Boston from Tipperary at age 17—was at war with her neighbors—four wealthy men, all gay, who had recently bought the abutting properties for summer party pads, and wanted the place dead and shuttered. In fact, depending on who you knew, you might have heard about bouts of property destruction, interminable delays for the restaurant’s opening, and armies of lawyers getting rich on both sides.


As the not-so-secret knock-down-drag-out tumbled into public view, eating there became an almost political act. Now, after simmering all winter, locals in P-Town are waiting for the hostilities to start afresh.


One resident called the quarrel the “worst case of bullying” he’d come across in his 50 years in town. But you could just as well call the fight over Sal’s place a sort of battle for Provincetown’s soul in miniature—a David and Goliath story about whether the artists, fishermen, and non-mainstream types of all persuasions were still welcome in the new Ptown. Or is this haven at the end of the Cape destined to become an exclusive enclave for the rich gay elite?



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Monday, October 31, 2016

Re: Breakwater Reconstruction

So Right! Punching a Hole in the Dike is Nuts

thanks for adding information on the kyaks and why there was pressure from them to open up Long Point Breakwater. But this act will destroy fabulous clam beds on either side of the breakwater and leave us with what? It was built for a reason that still makes sense. There are times that the Army Corps of Engineers has proposed and carried out wacky projects-- remember the dikes in New Orleans and how poorly they were designed--and now this.

I too will vote against spending any monies for this project. And why did David Panagore spend $40,000 for a design damaging this ecosystem.

When you don't know enough--don't act.
5:35 pm edt 

Put This in the 'Just Doesn't Make Sense Box'

"Historical" colors are chosen and bought for the renovated Town Hall.  Then a giant ugly blue chair is stuck in front of it.  My problem isn't with the chair I now realize.  It is with the color.  A nice historic white or deep forest green as is fitting with these types of chairs would be more in character and more in fitting with the color scheme of the building and benches it sits in front of.  Whomever picked this blue should be reprimanded for idiocy.  It takes the chair from quirky to cheesey.
2:22 pm edt 

Re: Breakwater Reconstruction

We are Going to Pay $400,000 for the Bridge into the Long Point Breakwater???

This is not restoration, this is destruction of the present ecosystem. good that Panagore has already dedicated $40,000 to a study!!!that few here in Provincetown want. Does this man know this town at all? How sad and using our monies for this failed "restoration" is pure madness. Speak to former shellfish wardens and you'll hear the truth. this is the wrong project for the wrong place.

$400,000? Really and where will that come from town manager? From your pocket? another poor decision.
10:21 am edt 

Re: BOS What's Happening?
"Can You Please Clarify Who Has Resigned?" 
Thank you for the information on who has resigned

These are two wonderful people and two dedicated individuals. This is a loss for us. Jim did a great job and Loretta had patience and dedication. Sorry to hear about their leaving but I appreciate your giving us the information.
10:13 am edt 

Re: Breakwater Reconstruction

West End Dike

The harbor master appears to be catering to kayak interests. Under Sharon Lynn he wove together a few interests groups; the park, the army corp, the center for coastal studies and pitched an idea that the dike needed a hole in it. They have proposed to open and bridge that lowest spot closest to Wood End that has on occasion trapped people at high tide. Rather than wait for slack tide the panicked landlubbers entered swiftly moving water got hurt and had to be rescued. Not a good reason to punch a hole and span it with a bridge. A hole and additional flow could destroy the best clamming bed on the Cape and with the current issues at Herring Cove, the forces of increased flow and velocity may turn Long Point into an island. Maybe that's why Superintendent Price supports such a cockamamie idea. Voters, they need $400,000 in Town money to go forward. Stop this insane idea before it goes any further. Bring pressure to the Town Manager and demand the Army Corp of Engineers leave !
the dike as is.
10:10 am edt 

To: David Panagore - Town Manager

Maybe It's time for this Town Manager to Finally do something worthwhile

Finally. there is no one I know in town who wants the breakwater opened and a ridiculous bridge erected instead.

so, David Panagore, now is the time for you---yes you--and no one else to finally decide that this is not what we--yes, we--the residents and the clammers of Provincetown want.

This is disastrous and I am tired of you doing nothing.

Take action, now. Stop pretending you are "leading" this town. Leaders act--not deliberate, propose and most of this bullshit.

If not now, when?  Finally, do something.
2:24 am edt 

Re: Wayne Martin

Do the readers of mypacc have to listen to Wayne Martin campaign for Selectman until the next election?? If that is the case, I will read much less here. Martin already has shown he can't win an election, let's not waste the voter's time.
2:22 am edt 

Re: Town Forums

If town officials really listened to us

then many of the articles on the town meeting warrant would reflect our issues and our desires. but that hardly happens. Article after article are propositions dreamed up at town hall and not on the street. And then town staff trains to control the town meeting to get the votes they want.

It is upside down in thinking. Listen to residents and then create articles that reflect our wishes and wants.
2:18 am edt 

 Re: BOS What's Happening?

"Can You Please Clarify Who Has Resigned?"
Jim Denetolis, Treasurer in Treasurer's Office, and Loretta, secretary to Board of Selectmen, have resigned.
2:13 am edt 

Re: Enough Focus on Bikes Instead of on Pedestrians and Drivers

"Ok. So you're saying until we put up signs educating people how to walk (signs that I'm sure Dot and Mattfrom New Bedford are really going to pay attention to...) we should stop helping to facilitate bike use and safety in town?"

No. Nope. That's not what I said at all. Nice attempt at trying to twist my words around, though. You should be a politician! Why don't you go back and read my post and try to understand it before responding.
2:10 am edt 

Re: Town Forums

Town forums should exist so that information is presented, ideas can be argued, consensuses can be formed in forums other than town meetings themselves and toxic, anonymous unchecked websites.
2:07 am edt 

Sunday, October 30, 2016

Town Forums

Town forums are good if they Exist to Really Hear what the Public Wants'

and not to be manipulated by town staff and officials to convince, persuade, and encourage votes on THEIR agendas for the April town meeting. somehow I fear that is what is being done. and why 100 people at OMR? somethings just off on this. Again, we need a leader  and not a reality show star!
11:02 am edt 

Re: BOS What's Happening?

Can You Please Clarify Who Has Resigned?

which treasurer for the BOS and which secretary for the BOs have resigned? Can you give more information. thanks.
10:57 am edt 

Re: Breakwater Reconstruction


The former Shell Fish Warden has said that the opening of the West-end breakwater will destroy the shell  fish bed, which is the most productive in Provincetown.

Additionally, young  developing fish use the breakwater as a protective zone against larger predators. The opening of the breakwater will give seals and larger fish access to this area.

It isn't broke; why fix it? 

10:46 am edt 

Breakwater Reconstruction

The Town has to pay $400,000. for the Army Corp of Engineers to open up the breakwater? Its their breakwater, why do we have to pay? Cant they afford it? I cant!
10:37 am edt 

From: Wayne Martin

This town is falling apart because of corrupt and weak willed leadership! It's time we hire and elect strong, honest and intelligent men and women with a spine who's first concern is looking after and taking care of the long time residents and making sure that they can afford to live here as long as  desired, to do anything else is despicable. To be clear I'm not referring to  affordable housing Im saying cutting taxes and curbing the costs on so called "needed" capital improvements which are more like wants not needs.
12:12 am edt 

Saturday, October 29, 2016

Re: A Hero Among Us

Say what you want about Mr. Wayne Martin but I say he's a hero or at least he committed a very heroic act.

8:54 pm edt 

What Ever...

Driving down Shankpainter at 4.00PM today. Out of state car is driving on the left side of the double yellow line and on a cell phone. Police parked in front of the fire station lying in wait. I think, this is going to be good. Out of state car drives by, no police response because policeman is on his cell phone surfing or playing a game. Great traffic patrol. Glad I was not coming from the opposite direction......
8:52 pm edt 

BOS What's Happening?

The recently appointed Treasurer and Secretary to the Board of Selectmen, who has done a very good job, have resigned.

What's happening?

8:51 pm edt 

Re: Enough Focus on Bikes Instead of on Pedestrians and Drivers

"If we aren't going to require them to use the sidewalks, the least we could do is put up signs educating them on safety."

Ok. So you're saying until we put up signs educating people how to walk (signs that I'm sure Dot and Matt from New Bedford are really going to pay attention to...) we should stop helping to facilitate bike use and safety in town?
8:49 pm edt 

From: Wayne Martin

The only page I was stopped from posting on was the Beacon after catching Hatch, DelFranco and Rogers spreading lies about me then I went to the TM and reported Hatch and DelFranco for deviant and defamatory remarks they were posting which I showed the TM and he said he could not do anything about it. As soon as I did Hatch stopped me from posting on his little baby the Beacon, liked I cared!!!  Why don't you try posting the so called psycho posts I did!!! Just another lie about me from anonymous cowards most likely either Hatch or DelFranco. If I become selectmen it will be my first priority to drain the swamp and expose the corruption and the lies that are being told by town officials to the taxpayers much like my dad did when he was on the FinCom. People know Im no dummy, I can't be bought, I'm honest and I'm no coward and that scares the hell out of them, specially people like Hatch and DelFranco.
8:46 pm edt 

Re: Enough Focus on Bikes Instead of on Pedestrians and Drivers

"So it's not that people are focusing on bikes because pedestrians and drivers don't matter. It's just that there's nothing to really work on re: walking and driving."

I take issue with this. There's PLENTY we could be doing to facilitate pedestrian safety but nobody wants to open that can of worms because pedestrians have been allowed to wander freely, aimlessly, in all directions, paying zero attention to car and bike traffic for years. Every time a pedestrian is injured on Commercial St. there are outcries of "dangerous bicyclists!" and "drivers need to slow down!" but the FACT remains that the town does nothing to educate visiting pedestrians about walking safely on Commercial St. If we aren't going to require them to use the sidewalks, the least we could do is put up signs educating them on safety. Items such as: Look BOTH ways before entering the street, Allow motor vehicles to pass, Don't walk dogs on long leashes in the street, Use the sidewalk whenever possible, Don't run in the streets, etc.

People, this isn't rocket science. These are rules we would teach and enforce for our own children, I don't understand why we continue to look the other way for guests in our town. We can continue to blame all Commercial St. injuries on bikes and cars, but the truth is, if we are going to allow thousands of pedestrians to roam the streets with no rules whatsoever regarding their behavior, then there will ALWAYS be accidents.
10:30 am edt 

Friday, October 28, 2016

Re: Enough Focus on Bikes Instead of on Pedestrians and Drivers

I think the bike efforts are great and way overdue. Cheers to the volunteers who make good things happen in this town.
9:51 pm edt 

Re Wayne Martin

I would love to hear any factual information you have that Wayne Martin "isn't all there" that the rest of us don't have? . . . Until he was banned on several pages you should read his facebook posts, his posts were psycho
9:50 pm edt 

Re: Enough Focus on Bikes Instead of on Pedestrians and Drivers

"That includes pedestrians & vehicles to take precedent over bicycles that have caused some serious accidents just last year!"

Ok. Just move into Seashore Point already.
9:48 pm edt 

Re: Wayne Martin

A hero among us.

Say what you want about Mr. Wayne Martin but I say he's a hero or at least he committed a very heroic act.
Late Saturday afternoon while speaking with Larry Meads on the corner of Race Point Rd and Nelson Ave. a speeding vehicle "new Mustang with NY plates" came within a few feet of Mr. Martin and Mr. Meads continuing up the densely populated residential area full of children at a dangerous high rate of speed " some witnesses said at least 50 mph". Mr. Martin then notice the sound of sirens followed by the sight of a Ranger vehicle seeming to be in pursuit of said vehicle. Mr. Martin stopped the ranger vehicle "it looked and sounded like he new one of the occupants" and explained what he witnessed and directed the rangers in the right direction. By now there were several of us that came out of our houses who had heard the speeding vehicle go through the neighborhood with lots of kids playing out side at the time who I also imagine like me also saw the ranger vehicle with its lights on. Mr. Martin got in his vehicle and pulled up along side the Rangers and had a brief conversation with them. Then Mr. Martin did something I think few people would have done, knowing there was no way out because our road went in a circle and seeing that the driver of this vehicle had little to no regard for human life, he then suggested to the Rangers to go around one way while he blocked the only way out. The ranger vehicle then headed up our road at a slow rate of speed sounding the siren while Mr. Martin placed his vehicle and himself across Nelson Ave blocking any escape that this vehicle might have. Seemingly having no fear of what might happen next and while many from our neighborhood looked on this vehicle started traveling up the road towards Mr. Martin who stood his ground and just stared the driver of the other vehicle down, seeing that he had no escape and the only way to go by Mr. Martin was to go through him the driver came to a stop and shut his vehicle down and was apprehended by the Park Rangers. Mr. Martin was then heard to say "you guys all set, their reply yeah thanks Wayne" then Mr. Martin went back up the road and continued his conversation with Mr. Meads like nothing happened.

Mr. Martin could have been rammed or shot or both who knows what these fugitives who were trying to evade law enforcement might have done or how desperate they might have been to escape capture, but the one thing I know is that late Saturday afternoon Wayne Martin put the safety of others before himself and thought nothing of it.

That I believe is the text book definition of a Hero and seeing how none of us that saw this got a chance to thank him because it happened so quick, from the residents of Nelson Ave we would like to thank Mr. Wayne Martin and the two Rangers that were involved for your quick and decisive actions and especially Mr. Martin for your selfless act of bravery.

If there're any people that doubt this account of what happened it can be verified by speaking to my neighbor Larry Meads or by calling the the Race Point Ranger station.
Signed- A very grateful mother
9:45 pm edt 

Soccer Game Parking

As I am so glad to hear about the meeting about the parking during soccer games, I do have to say that a single mother that was at her sons game the week before that got a 35.00 ticket and said that's where she was had to pay the ticket. She also had a parking sticker on her car for grace hall parking. Out of all the cars on the street she was the only one that got a ticket. I don't understand how things are done in this town. What's good for one is good for all no matter who you are.
3:56 pm edt 

Re Wayne Martin

I would love to hear any factual information you have that Wayne Martin "isn't all there" that the rest of us don't have? I have known him practically all my life and he is quite intelligent, always willing to help, he has even being the decide factor in several court cases,  he is however quite head strong which some might consider to be a negative attribute. I don't know of anything that he has said or done that could make anybody say he is not anything but a honest good guy! I do realize that the local police and some of our town officials have tried to brand him with this stigma because of his complaints against them but I can assure you it is far from deserved. So please share with us and put your name to your words if you are going to defame someone's character!
3:53 pm edt 

Re: David Panagore - Town Manager

It appears that David Panagore seems to be nothing more than another Tom Donegan fiasco.
He is happy to push off all responsibility onto the  shoulders of others. His modes-operandi is to delay
actions  in  the hope that they will be forgotten. He has so many outstanding issues awaiting disposition.
A check as to his use of Town Counsel will prove to be the highest on record. He hides behind Town Counsel and has demonstrated little legal sense or capacity. He lacks leadership skill or knowledge.
We should start to rethink his appointment and begin an objective review of his performance.
He's already one year and three months  into his three year contract with basically nothing to show for it.
12:57 pm edt 

Re: David Panagore - Town Manager

The Town Manager seems evasive to everything! The Asst. Town Mgr.(who was Acting T. Mgr.) until Panagore came,actually conducts most Board Of Selectmen's meetings & Panagore just sits & listens! Who is who? What's with that?
12:42 pm edt 

Re: Enough Focus on Bikes Instead of on Pedestrians and Drivers

Bicyclists shouldn't be the main concern of Town Gov't! All citizens rights should be foremost! That includes pedestrians & vehicles to take precedent over bicycles that have caused some serious accidents just last year! One necessitating surgery & bicyclist didn't even apologize! lucky that they & Town wasn't sued!
11:36 am edt 

Re: Enough Focus on Bikes Instead of on Pedestrians and Drivers

Ok, I'll take the bait: What is it that you think we need to be doing to make this town better for pedestrians and drivers? What would a pedestrian committee try to accomplish? What would a car committee accomplish?

My point is that the town is doing a lot about bikes right at the moment because, up until this point in time, not a lot of thought has gone into how to make the town bike-friendly. So it's not that people are focusing on bikes because pedestrians and drivers don't matter. It's just that there's nothing to really work on re: walking and driving.

Unless I'm missing something...
10:57 am edt 

Re: David Panagore - Town Manager

It's time for Panagore to be fired!! Enough is enough. He is a bully to employees and in the end really doesn't manage his people properly or any significant projects. A previous post mentioned how much Donagan and Dingling has cost this town in the end. It's an embarrassment. $500,000+ in one case alone. You can't make this up. Fire the Town Manager!!!!!
10:54 am edt 

Re: Wayne Martin

Yes, he should be a selectmen, because when I don't like the way things are going I would want to replace a sitting member with a candidate who isn't all there and doesn't have a clue as to how a town runs.

Let's make a bad situation worse.  That will really help us.
10:53 am edt 

Re: David Panagore - Town Manager

Who is Panagore? Does he has a vision for Provincetown?

I am confused. He is there but it seems to me not much else. He is a big presence yet where he is taking the town seems amorphous at best. He seems like a cork bobbing along the water. There just needs to be more. He has been here, bobbing around, for a year and three months. Time for action and good works. So it seems to me.
10:51 am edt 

Re: Raphael Richter BOS Chair

Don't make me laugh!!!
Selectman Richter has done nothing but line his pockets  in all his local business ventures thanks to his cousin Ding a Ling and their lap dog Tommy D. since being elected. Oh yeah he's clever all right so much so he last name could be Clinton!
10:50 am edt 

David Panagore - Town Manager

Sorry but I feel that this town manager is rather odd

I thought he was good for this town but now I feel that he doesn't know this town and even worse--he doesn't care.

How odd that he is town manager. a stranger who will never be our friend.
10:42 am edt 

A Moving Tribute to Tom Conklin - WOMR - "What it is!"

So glad everyone did a memorial to this wonderful man. tom Conklin was a giant in radio and a force that shaped WOMR. thank you for this special on him. How wonderful!
10:40 am edt 

Re: Raphael Richter BOS Chair

Yes Richter is a good selectmen for the benefit of Richter.  It's all about bringing more money to his business.
10:38 am edt 

Re: How Many Bike Racks do We Really Need?

Just got back from Europe. There has been a massive movement toward expanding bike use in old cities with very bad results. Seems adding bike lanes in older cities where there just does not have the space has caused huge increases in accidents many fatal ones. Just not the room to provide safe bike lanes. Shouldn't they have realized this beforehand? Cyclist will not consider giving up these lanes so just a dangerous mess.
10:36 am edt 

Wednesday, October 26, 2016

Re: How Many Bike Racks do We Really Need?

Bikes, Bikes, bikes

Enough focus on bikes instead of on pedestrians and drivers. We are not a town that can enlarge its streets to accommodate all this town-hall drive push for bikes. And some of our streets are not even the town's but belong to the state. Too much emphasis on bicycles, just too much.
11:12 am edt 

Raphael Richter BOS Chair

Raphael Richter is doing a good Job as chair of the OBS

He is fair, rather objective and even-handed in his treatment of his board and the public. He is also quite bright and does his homework. When compared to all others, he is the most intelligent and he speaks to the issues. He brings a certain quality to the BOS that hasn't been there for many years.
11:10 am edt 

Tuesday, October 25, 2016

Wayne Martin - Prospective BOS Candidate

I was thinking the same thing the other day, considering the mess the town seems to be in. I probably don't agree with everything he would have to say but can say that I disagree with just about everything the current board is doing and saying. I can't believe the Winslow Farms issue wasn't dead in the water and then the community center? I thought these issues were settled but now the BOS decides on their own to move forward with their ideas?
10:32 pm edt 

VSB vs Room Tax

It is time rethink how much of the rooms tax goes toward the VSB. We should vote to decrease the amount by 50% and use those monies to finally build a new police station.
10:29 pm edt 

The Truth is in Ourselves

So On Target: Local Knowledge

thanks for that insight. It is exactly what is dismissed here and then local residents become silent since they feel irrelevant. Local knowledge is the perfect term to explain what we must respect and know. It is our shared history and not ideas brought in from "others" and forced upon the town.

Respect those who live here and love this town. Listen to them and then act. Then present ideas that reflect the entire community and not just two or three self-named experts at town hall.

Right on!
1:11 pm edt 

The Truth is in Ourselves

I Now Know Why I Feel Left Out in so many town hall-Initiated projects and plans

It goes back to Jne Jacobs's critique of most urban planning and so often here big projects are driven by what occurred in other places and often in big urban centers.
That does not work for us and yet some insist that these
mega-projects and new way of living will work here.

What is  missing and sometimes even purposefully overlooked is local knowledge. Jane Jacobs stresses the importance of knowing and respecting local knowledge. Not to guide a town by abstract principles or statistical studies but instead to base future plans on how the local people actually live and to base changes on how the local residents want to initiate changes.

but too much of what is concocted at town hall these days totally dismisses local knowledge based on the arrogant perspective that "they" know; that "they" have experience" and "we" are the uninformed, the naïve, the inconsequential.

thank you Jane Jacobs for helping me better understand the clash of cultures that keeps happening recently rooted in a dismissing of "us" and our understanding and replaced with "their" expertise that is rooted in other towns and other places.

It is local knowledge that is needed and local knowledge that should be respected. Without it, plans will fail; articles will be voted down; and the future projects will take weird and unexpected turns.

those in power should base their authority in local knowledge and respect for local residents. this change is the best change that could happen!
12:03 pm edt 

Wayne Martin - Prospective BOS Candidate

The town blew it when the passed over Mr. Martin for selectmen!!!

This town had the chance to elect an honest man a man who  grew up in this town and who's family has been here since it's inception and man who cares about it more so than any body that sits on any of the boards or the TM.  I know this man can not be intimidated or bought and was and is in the unique position of not having any business interests in the town so there could be no conflicts. He would have in my opinion brought the highest level of transparency to this towns inner workings that any board of committee member that came before him maybe with the only exception being his own father.  I have heard lately that he is thinking of running for selectman again because of the corruption and the mess this town is in. I would strongly suggest that you vote for him.
11:58 am edt 

Selective Enforcement - Where's Panagore?

I  cannot believe this town's administration leadership. They bold facedly look at Leif Hamnquist sit across  the various boards i.e. Planning, Zoning and Historic representing the architect for 101 Bradford Street, knowing full well that he previously worked as a town staff member reviewing the very same building.
Mass Conflict of Interest laws requires that if a former staff member has worked as a town employee on a project, they are barred for one year after leaving municipal employment from appearing personally before the municipal body on  behalf of  anyone, on any matters in which the municipality had a direct substantial interest and was under his official responsibility as a municipal employee at any time during the last two years of employment. 
This point was raised by an abutter to  101 Bradford at an HDC hearing, but was completely ignored by the Commission.
Our illustrious Town Manager does not hesitate to mention the fact that he is also a lawyer. Surely he is  aware of the blatant conflict of interest regarding Hamnquist position in this matter.
This is a yet another instance of selective enforcement of the law. Panagore is either asleep at the helm or chooses not to engage the issue.
Where are we going?
Thank goodness the state  
11:40 am edt 

Re: A Serious Question

Doug Johnstone is a wonderful town Employee and professional at all Times

He is always constant, efficient, and professional. He works hard and is always available. Annie Howard does a good job in a difficult environment. and the new building inspector seems quite good. also the BOS secretary is good.
11:00 am edt 

Where are the Answers?

To  hell with the bike 'non-issue'! Where is the Local Comprehensive Plan?
Where is the traffic study for the Tedechi's parking lot. Where is the Town  Planner's supposed degree in  City Planning? Is she under investigation? Where is  this town going? Who has the rudder? Where is Panagore?
What does it take to make this town's citizens angry enough to demand straight forward answers? 
9:55 am edt 

How Many Bike Racks do We Really Need?

Seems traffic meeting is dominated by bike racks here, there and everywhere. there is a limit to how many bikes we should have in town. I put pedestrians first. We do not have the road space for this city mentality about bikes. Our roads are narrow and we need to respect the layout of this town. Always a small group behind major changes. what works for Washington DC surely does not generally work for here.
9:39 am edt 

A Serious Question

I'd love to hear who the folks on this site think are doing a good job -- in town hall, on the BoS, in the business community, on boards, as leaders of nonprofits. We ALL know who it is you think are just the worst; but who is it that you think we all should be emulating? And what have they done that's good and worth admiring? A serious question.
9:38 am edt 

Yingling, Donegan and Panagore

Maybe It's time to Ask: who is there for us?

who is there at town hall for this community? who is there for those who have lived here and loved this town? who is there for the average man and woman who cares for this town?

Seems the caring is now for the rich and more powerful. seems town hall reacts to those who have money and those who act as if they are powerful

How sad. How tragic.
9:35 am edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - Hard at Work?
Obviously Quite Vindictive 
Woah! Is there any Legacy for this man?

seems like time is over for this one selectman. all the promises have led to naught. Now he is a non-functioning selectman. He is on his way out and this is the best that can be said.
9:33 am edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - Hard at Work?
Obviously Quite Vindictive 
Interesting how Donegan has turned.  I thought the blogmaster was the one pushing for change that brought us Donegan and Yingling.

Something soured there for Donegan to go after him.
9:30 am edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - Hard at Work?
Obviously Quite Vindictive
Tell then to f... off Clarence. Please tell the owner of the                                                                                         to as well, he never stops complaining.
9:28 am edt 

Monday, October 24, 2016

Re: Tom Donegan - Hard at Work?

Obviously Quite Vindictive

So much for a change when Tom Donegan ran for selectman. Much of the same, if not worse. What is wrong with this man? No longer chair, he needs to flex his non-power. Odd person who actually never did fit in with this community. Just like Mark Weinress. A disaster with Planning and none of his articles ever passed. Embarrassed as well Weinress should have been. Now Donegan looks for revenge. So it seems from these postings.

I still think he is an odd man out!
8:06 pm edt 

Re: Yingling & Donegan - Two Peas in a Pod

Yingling and Donegan, the inept guys who became selectmen and have both abused their position of trust.

Their FB postings and refusal to negotiate costs taxpayers $500,000 +
8:03 pm edt 

Yingling & Donegan - Two Peas in a Pod

"I heard Tom Donegan told staff to put on an item to prohibit the blogmaster from parking his car in the space by his house along Bradford St.  staff refused and said he had to do it himself if he wanted it at the hearing."

That speaks directly to Donegan's character or lack of it.  I also give credit to whichever staff person stood up to him and said no, we are not part of your power trip.

Yingling and Donegan, the inept guys who became selectmen and have both abused their position of trust.
8:50 am edt 

Sunday, October 23, 2016

Yingling & Donegan - Two Peas in a Pod
Between Yingling and Donegan I  can't decide who is worse. They represent the perfect examples of what is wrong with open town meeting government.
They personify the old adage "power corrupts and total power corrupts totally".
9:35 pm edt 

Tom Donegan - Hard at Work?

"Have we had the  traffic hearing?

I heard Tom Donegan told staff to put on an item to prohibit the blogmaster from parking his car in the space by his house along Bradford St.  staff refused and said he had to do it himself if he wanted it at the hearing."

Can you believe it, Tom Donegan turns out to be worse than the previous town administration he railed against for using their positions to persecute him.
He has become a pathetic residue of the man he once represented himself to be. Time to move on Tom, before you waste what little respectability you have left. 
New York beckons! 
9:25 pm edt 

 Re: Ongoing Community Center Saga

"Did We really Vote to Sell the rec building?" 
The real, almost laughable irony about turning the community center into summer worker housing is that it's called (hello!) the COMMUNITY center and will now become an instrument in the continued erosion of said community.

Hey, why go to all the trouble of creating year round jobs, housing, etc. for people who live here? We can just import more summer workers who will work cheap, live in dorms and take our money back to their own countries when summer is over. The business owners benefit, so screw everyone else!

Welcome to the new Provincetown, where community is a distant memory and it's every man for himself, where He who dies with the most toys wins!
9:10 pm edt 

Mary Oliver vs Vincent Currier

Just a thought: wonder if dear Mary Oliver's leave taking dovetails with the arrival of Vincent Currier.
9:07 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Property Tax

"Just paying bills.  The largest check I am writing is for my Provincetown property taxes.  After looking at the ridiculously high bill, I went back a couple of years.  Since 2015 my property taxes have increased by 30 percent.  Wonderful, awesome fiscal responsibility!"

Vote no if you don't like it.  Voters approved a half million override to go into a housing fund that doesn't exist.
9:04 pm edt 

Re: Ongoing Community Center Saga

"Did We really Vote to Sell the rec building?" 
Yes we voted to sell it, I was there and approved of it's sale. So the BOS should not have confused the process with it's obsession to make everything affordable.
9:19 am edt 

Soup Kitchen Director

I met the soup kitchen director Thursday

Anyone wanna tell me why anyone was speaking bad? She seems adoreable and caring

Is she single?
12:23 am edt 

Re: Vincent Currier

Can someone Just Stick a Bandaid on currier's Mouth

the man should just shut up. He is warped.  He represents the danger of Trump thinking to our nation. He will undermine most women. Shut him up! A sick man.
12:22 am edt 

Re: Ongoing Community Center Saga

Did We really Vote to Sell the rec building?

Did we? After many conversations and many people speaking out, I question that a vote was taken and passed allowing the rec building to be sold.

Someone out there reading these posts must remember.

Help!! any info will be appreciated.
12:20 am edt 

Tom Donegan - Hard at Work?

Have we had the  traffic hearing?

I heard Tom Donegan told staff to put on an item to prohibit the blogmaster from parking his car in the space by his house along Bradford St.  staff refused and said he had to do it himself if he wanted it at the hearing.

Donegan let it go because he didn't want people to know he was behind it.

Your selectmen at work!
12:19 am edt 

Provincetown Property Tax

Just paying bills.  The largest check I am writing is for my Provincetown property taxes.  After looking at the ridiculously high bill, I went back a couple of years.  Since 2015 my property taxes have increased by 30 percent.  Wonderful, awesome fiscal responsibility!  Let's get rid of this current board of selectman who have their heads up their collective arse's.
12:15 am edt 

Saturday, October 22, 2016

Re: Boston Globe, 10/21/16 Mary Oliver

Thank you Mary, you are missed,but still loved. I to felt the change in
Ptown and left to continue my journey,

Jeff Adams
Lebanon , me.
2:51 pm edt 

Re: Ongoing Community Center Saga

When did the town vote to sell the Recreation Building?

I remember much discussion concerning the building and people being quite upset that the historic nature of the building would be changed if sold but...I don't remember that we voted to sell the building and therefore the BOS do not need to come to a town meeting and get our votes. Can someone tell me when this was or was not voted on?
1:59 pm edt 

Re: Ongoing Community Center Saga

Guys, the reason there will be summer workforce housing at the old community center is because it's a way for the family businesses owned by certain selectmen to get subsidized housing for their employees. That way they don't have to pay anyone a living wage, and they can continue to line their         pockets at the expense of the town and their employees.
1:56 pm edt 

Re: Boston Globe, 10/21/16 Mary Oliver


Yes, the town has changed..and we have lived here in the our place in heave here. We came here young and bonded and created our own family here. And now they have passed on and so many friends died in the 80s and the family that we created here has passed on as well

So you see, it is different--different for us from what it was. Thus, it is easy, very easy for us to move on. Ten years ago it was impossible and we never EVER thought that this day would come and that we would joyfully be moving on--but it has.

The town has moved on from its old ways, but it is the old ways that brought us here and kept us here--so now it is time for us to sell and move on and let someone else start their history here.

It is a fond farewell. My heart that once cleaved to the monument, the dunes, the vista of the sea to the horizon--my heart has gradually given way from that strongly held bond.

And it is good that we move on of our own choice and in great anticipation of continuing our life among friends in another town. It is the way of the world.

As the sage once said,"This too shall pass" and this life time in Provincetown has indeed passed for us so it is so easy to depart from here..easier than I ever thought possible.

And I know that this is true because when I'm away, I want to stay away in our other abode and wish that I didn't have to return to this home. So I know in my heart that it is time to go and I have a heart full of  memories--but not a shred of longing.

Cheers to all and to your long lives of happiness in this town I once called home.
11:14 am edt 

Friday, October 21, 2016

Re: VSB and The Blue Chair

"Just because I did not see the big blue chair does not preclude me from being upset about it. Last year when I was in town a body was found off of Commercial Street. I didn't see it, but I can still be upset about it can't I? There are better and more appropriate ways to give Provincetown exposure then a ridiculous chair that has no connection to the town or its past. Do you really think that tourists are going to flock to Provincetown to see and sit in the chair? Get real!"

OMG, comparing the death of a townie to a chair.  Something is definitely wrong here.  Other than the poster, who ever said anything about people coming to Provincetown to see the chair. No-one did.  Whoever suggested the chair had anything to do with Ptown history. No-one did.  The poster also said "It is without doubt the stupidest promotional stunt that I have heard of".  Seriously? You must not watch TV or read the news. Google what you said and I am sure you can find some really stupid things.  Like these inane posts. "Get real"!???!!!   We pour money into promotional Weeks for Baby Dykes, Girl Splashers, Transgendered and Daddy theme weeks. We have Circuit Boys, Bears, Gay Pilots and now Gay Officers Weekend.  Let's not forget Men in no-ass Chaps and people in singlets gracing the streets day and night. We have FaG Bash, Purgatory and 2 Adult Toy stores in the center of town. We have parades for every little thing (Portuguese Fest, Independence Day, Carnival, Halloween!
, Car Show). There's an International Film Festival and Tennessee Williams folks who watch movies and plays when they are here and a Drag performers riding up and down Commercial Street in wheelchairs and scooters. All the while, that big scary upsetting blue chair just sits around doing nothing while people everywhere line up for a photo op and promote Provincetown all over the world.  Don't be afraid anymore. It's very real.
11:44 pm edt 

Ongoing Community Center Saga

Cape Cod Times covers the ongoing community center saga:

They only got 3 proposals: Summer dorms, summer dorms, or an arts and small business incubator.

With this group of selectmen I bet it will be summer dorms. F... the local economy, just build dorms for foreign workers!
11:41 pm edt 

Here We Go Again!

So I hear the town is going to sell the old Community Center to a developer for summer worker dorms. Exactly what no one wanted two years ago when the bike shop tried to do this! The COMMUNITY CENTER should be kept for a COMMUNITY use. It's ridiculous to turn it into yet another building that will sit empty for 9 months of the year.
11:39 pm edt 

From Today's Boston Globe, 10/21/16

I was fortunate to call Provincetown home from 2000 to 2009.
In Provincetown, poet Mary Oliver recalls quiet fishing town

The town was full of nicknames  a few I remember: Moon, Iron Man, Jimmy Peek (in remembrance of his grandfather, who, it is said, peeked a great deal). And then there was Flyer, owner of the boatyard. One winter, already of a great age, his shoulders stiffened into uselessness. He filled two pails with sand and water and carried them everywhere he went, the entire winter. By spring his shoulders were fine. You do not meet such people everywhere.

I dont mean to slight the women of the town. Visiting a Portuguese house often deeply snuggled among flowers, it took no more than three minutes from my knock before I would find myself sitting in front of a bowl of steaming, delicious Portuguese soup and adding my own voice to the family chatter.

Provincetown has what we called Mediterranean light, which for years had brought artists to set up their easels on the shore, on the dunes, on street corners, or perhaps in their own houses. Writers came as well. No occupation was considered elite. Provincetown became the place to come not only for the light but for the friendliness that sustained all of us, or so it seemed. I meet the plumber in the hardware store, Hows your work going? he would say. Pretty good, Id answer, and how about you? Pretty well, he would say. And we would both ramble off smiling, feeling the sweetness of it.

And then the terrible change began. The great rafts of fish began to diminish. The satisfaction of a days work also began to vanish. Overfishing, climate change, and little boats that were growing older every year were the causes. In other towns, larger boats were built to travel farther out to sea, something the Provincetown fleet could not do.

A town cannot live on dreams. The change was slow but harsh. The young men and women, boys and girls left to find work and to build another life. And the town became, not all at once but steadily, a town of pleasure. People swarmed in on weekends, and they still do. And it will no doubt go on. And there is no blame in this. The town had to find another way to live.

The tourist business was in. Late into the night the bands played. Closing hours changed, became later. There were weekend people and people who could afford a longer stay or buy a summer home. At the same time, I must say that many of the changes were important. A home for young artists and painters was established as well as a scientific center for the study of our coastal waters. But generally it became just, well, different. One could say it fast became a place to visit or live for a while, and to spend money. Not so much in which to live a life. To dance and make noise, though I do not mean to criticize all frolic. It was just, well, different.

I dont know if I am heading toward heaven or that other, dark place, but I know I have already lived in heaven for fifty years. Thank you, Provincetown.

Excerpted from Upstream, a new collection of essays by poet and former Provincetown resident Mary Oliver, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award. Published by Penguin Press.
11:35 pm edt 

Thursday, October 20, 2016

Re: Winslow Farm

Can someone Explain the Winslow Farm Issue?

what has happened? what has been granted to the developer? why are the neighbors angry and upset? Can someone help explain the problem?
11:47 pm edt 

Re: Flocking to the Blue Chair

I spent last weekend in town and there were an awful lot of people "flocking" to the blue chair clambering all over it and getting their pictures taken in/with it.  I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other.  But it seems like a pretty innocuous thing for some of the posters to get all up in a lather about. 

My guess either they have a hidden agenda in disparaging other people's work or maybe they are just grumpy old men with nothing better to do or maybe they just hit the bottle a little too hard before hitting the keyboard.  You should watch this season's South Park.  There is an ongoing story line about internet trolls.  Blue chair bashers should pay close attention.
11:43 pm edt 

Is There Leadership in Town?

I assume there is some but I would love to know where people think it is coming from. I look and don't see much. Maybe I'm missing some great leadership roles but somehow, I don't think much is going on. the town seems rather leaderless. there are blue chairs but...isn't there more to a town than this?
Just asking.
11:41 pm edt 

Re: VSB - Blue Chair

Give me a break! Just because I did not see the big blue chair does not preclude me from being upset about it. Last year when I was in town a body was found off of Commercial Street. I didnt see it, but I can still be upset about it cant it? There are better and more appropriate ways to give Provincetown exposure then a ridiculous chair that has no connection to the town or its past. Do you really think that tourists are going to flock to Provincetown to see and sit in the chair? Get real!
9:44 am edt 

Re: David Gardner - Assistant Town Manager

"David Gardner will shortly be required to answer questions regarding his participation in the matter of the Bang Street development along with other real estate matters."


Taxes continue to be paid quarterly for a piece of property unable to be reached by foot.
9:22 am edt 

Town Planner?

So where's all of the forthcoming information/emails we were promised that discredit the Town Planner?  Is this another huge bust like the Candace Nagel emails or do you actually have something besides innuendo?

Inquiring minds.
9:21 am edt 

Tuesday, October 18, 2016

Long in the Tooth

So glad We are not Having a town Meeting this fall

That was a great decision. Now let's hope that what is being proposed for april 2017 is what is the best for this town. I hope we don't have half-baked proposals on housing that only profit developers. We have been for affordable housing for fifteen years. It is that the implementation is poor and when federal funds come, then anyone from anywhere can apply and thye do. so locals hardly get the break they need.

We need local control and no more federal monies that only make developers rich and keep town people without housing.

Maybe a new housing director would help. too long in the tooth.
12:25 pm edt 

Could You be a Bit ore Relevant?

Well, It's Monday. Could you be a bit more relevant?

New postings would be good. Over and over, the same stuff. Cut and paste. really, tell us what is new.
12:20 pm edt 

Re: Pathetic

Oh, the pot calling the kettle black? Pu-leeze. Lame. Nasty, as usual, but lame. "Then start acting like one. If you can muster the decency."
12:18 pm edt 

An Observation

So now Provincetown 365 show up. It is off season. The licensing agent should have a list of all year round businesses. Help us get through the winter this year.
12:16 pm edt 

Sunday, October 16, 2016

Re: Pathetic

"I only vote for human beings."

Then start acting like one. If you can muster the decency. 
12:19 am edt 

Saturday, October 15, 2016

Re: Town Planner Under Investigation

Suing someone doesn't mean an investigation

Way off base on this one. People are sued all the time and board members are sued as well. Sometimes town employees are sued. but is what is happening. If there is an investigation, it is in your head.
10:05 pm edt 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

Done is done Kids!!

to those who want to reinvent the past, sorry, it is behind us. Demolition delay was denied at the former Michael Shay's and now it will be destroyed. New buildings will be going up since they have been approved by the smart people on Planning. they are knowledgeable and made the right and the final decision. Sorry to say: it is a done deal. Make way for the construction crew. Here they come.
10:03 pm edt 

Re: Tom Conklin

Sad to Hear of Tom Conklin's Passing

He was quite the person and made his presence felt wherever he was. He was a fabulous accountant and did so many businesses' books. He knew music and especially world music and was a great drummer. He will be missed. condolences to his wife and daughters.
10:01 pm edt 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

Someone is smoking something

The state of MA focuses on key issues and they do not get into the minutiae of one piece of property at the end of the state. that is pure nutsville. It is a done deal and the number of buildings will be going up within the month. Case closed.
9:58 pm edt 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

350 Bradford is Moving forward

Abutters have recently been notified that the construction will begin soon. this detailed information is coming directly from developers of this property and I take their word. I know two or three abutters who are called weekly with developments. It is going forward now.
9:53 pm edt 

Re: Town Planner Under Investigation

Some Trump-Like Fantasy Here

The state is not involved in developments. We have town boards that make decisions and their decisions count. To believe that the state gets involved in our developments is a bit crazy. Wishing for something doesn't make it happen.
9:51 pm edt 

Friday, October 14, 2016

Town Planner Under Investigation

The town Planner is  listed as a defendant in a forth coming law suit, which involves most of  the town's Community Development staff. 
David Gardner will shortly be required to answer questions regarding his participation in the matter of the Bang Street development along with other real estate matters.
Provincetown Zoning  Broad of Appeals is required to weigh in on the 350 project, as Planning  has no jurisdiction in the matter of zoning and cannot supersede the ZBA. Naturally,  the Chair of Zoning would like to  avoid raising any issue regarding 350 Bradford because as a Realtor he stands to benefit in the sale of the prospective units.
Where is the  Town Manager? Forget the traffic and weather reports get involved! Do Something!
11:59 pm edt 

Re: Winslow Farms

Here We go Again--Planning is Taking Over zoning

and now Winslow Farms can do what they wanted because----they are only going to Planning. something is wrong here and we need zoning to find the balls they once had to make decision. Not this little group of puppets who do whatever this town planner wants. Here is another developer gaining what the wants with the help of Gloria McPherson. Here is another neighborhood changed dramatically because this woman is in the pocket--or perhaps the handbag--of developers.

Of course neighbors are upset. A secret deal is done and now houses after houses get built. and it is disgusting but once again this questionable town planner is part of the deceptive plans that undermine this little community.

time for the town manager--wherever he is these days--to act. time to be the leader he was hired to be.
11:26 pm edt 

Re: Town Planner Incompetency 

Instead of the  Big Blue chair

We should have used the red and white barriers at Tedeschi's and stuck a hashtag on each. Want a prop, well here it be.

It's time for these atrocious barriers to leave town with whoever made the decision to line these monstrosities along the edge of Tedeschi's. They are ugly and unsafe. They make entering and leaving this establishment quite problematic.

11:23 pm edt 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

You Have Raised An Important Point

I don't believe that Planning is empowered to make final decisions on high density developments. From my experience on Zoning, it was Zoning that legitimately could and would make such decision. what was allowed to happen on 350 Bradford and the former Michael Shay's was not legitimate since it is not the authority of Planning to make the definitive decision. the present by-laws require Zoning to act. In short, Planning does not have the legitimacy to be the final arbiter on such a project.
11:22 pm edt 

BOS Continue to Have Community Forums

Why does this BOS continue to have community forums to discuss affordable housing, year round jobs and now street performers. Not one new affordable unit has come of these discussions, no new year round business(let's see if the Canteen really stays open all winter) and not one solution to the influx of street performers. Just like most elected officials they love to hear themselves talk. Please stop this nonsense. Limit the hours of these performers to 12-9, create zones in which they can perform and do not let someone setup a ballon business on town property, that is not a street performer. If the Police Chief is unable to get off his butt and do something about him, replace him.
11:20 pm edt 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

As A former Member of Zoning someone Is right

the large development and the seven buildings and the thirteen or fourteen condos would need Zoning. Someone is right that the development at 350 Bradford Street--the former Michael Shay's-- would require Zoning because our present by-laws would demand this.

I would think that the chair or the vice-chair would demand that this case come before them. What I know of Zoning by-laws would require this at minimum.
11:15 pm edt 

"Re: Pathetic

"I am a woman over 50..."

Voting for Trump perhaps?"  
I only vote for human beings. Trump doesn't qualify. But after he loses the election, we'll wrap him up and ship him there. He'll fit right in with the rest of you crybabying           .

11:13 pm edt 


What I find outrageous is the outrage over the Blue Chair.  Come on people, be outraged over things that really matter, but all this sentiment over a chair?  To the person who recently spent two weeks in Provincetown and commented so strongly about something they didn't even see, Puh-lease.  From what I personally observed, there were an awful lot of people from all over the globe who had their photos taken and will have something tangible to show their friends and family from their trip. The pics were also posted on the Internet (#myptown) and gave our tiny little town some world-wide exposure at no cost to anyone. I remember having my picture taken with the Crystal and Alexis full size cardborad cut-outs in the East End back in the 80's and showed that photo every time the Ptown pics got pulled out. (In case you don't know who they are, Google the Dynasty TV series from the 80's). Boy, how I wish they were still around.  The critics are right, We have beautiful scenery, be!
aches , art, you name it, to promote town, but we now also have a big Blue Chair.  Still outraged? Still feel like denigrating those who came up with the idea and using more exclamations points that any one sentence should ever have??!!!!!  Take that aggression and put it to some good use. Bitching about it here and on the PCS page is a colossal waste of time, because that chair, despite your collective objections, is here to stay. 
11:07 pm edt 

Thursday, October 13, 2016

Sad Note on Tom Conklin

His passing is such a loss. He was an inventive man with so many ideas. He had so much energy and pizzazz. He was a risk taker and an active initiator of so many projects.

Thank you Tom for What It Is! and for bringing interesting and unique live radio to WOMR. Thank you also for WOMR itself as a viable, dynamic and community-based radio station.

You were always there for the radio station and your presence will continue to fill this wonderful space.

May you soar into fabulous and  mysterious space!
1:19 pm edt 

Creating a Bridge at the Long Point Dike

This will cause many problems for the solutions the Seashore or the Army Corps of engineers believe they are resolving. For everyone who loves clamming and knows that the best sites are on both sides of the breakwater, what do you think will happen to those flats if the breakwater is cut open and a bridge replaces on fifth of it? I believe the clamm flats are at risk..

This idea may appear good on paper--may--but it will be a disaster that costs over one million. sometimes it's best to leave well enough alone.

I'd like to hear from avid clammers what they think.
1:17 pm edt 

Wednesday, October 12, 2016

Re: Pathetic

"I am a woman over 50..."

Voting for Trump perhaps?
10:14 pm edt 


I recently returned from two weeks in Provincetown and did not see a big blue chair and I am glad that I didn't! Where is it and why was it put out? Are people supposed to hear about it and then flock to Provincetown to gawk at it? It is without doubt the stupidest promotional stunt that I have heard of. I sincerely hope that the good people of Provincetown are not paying someone to come up with idiotic ideas like that!
2:06 pm edt 

Tuesday, October 11, 2016

Re: Town Planner Incompetency 


Window replacement on my house, 6 months before Historic. Want to put a shed on my property, 2000 dollars in legal fees to get thru Zoning. Glass of wine for my clients at a private function on my property, please allow me Licensing.

Run down gas station at the corner of Route 6 and Conwell, nothing. Plastic barriers all over the place on Bradford Street for 6 months, nothing. This town is silly sometimes.

8:03 pm edt 

Re: Pathetic
"Victim card. Well, you're certainly not a woman over 50. It's great being born on 3rd base ain't it? Change is coming tho, bunny, watch."
Actually, I AM a woman over 50, you gerbil...and good for change!! It's about time characters like you will be put in your place. Now, be a good child and go play in traffic. "Victim card. Well, you're certainly not a woman over 50. It's great being born on 3rd base ain't it? Change is coming tho, bunny, watch."
7:59 pm edt 

Re: Town Planner Incompetency 

If These Barriers Were put on Commercial Street

every board would raise quite a fuss. Would historic ever allow this? Would Zonining believe these ugly red and white plastic barriers were legal? Can someone at town hall do something a bout this uglification of Provincetown. This has gone on too long without a proper resolution. whose bright idea was this?
12:12 pm edt 


The oversized outdoor blue chair needs a red companion piece for Kings! The blue one is occupied most of the time by Queens being photoed all day!
9:55 am edt 

Monday, October 10, 2016

Re: Town Planner Incompetency 

Tedeschi's barriers -

Why doesn't the Town admit admit that it made a mistake with insisting on those ugly barriers.   They are a MESS.

The Town should work with Tedeschi's and offer to build a stone wall that looks nice in keeping with the neighborhood.  OR BETTER YET - just get rid of them and allow for easy access to the store

2:56 pm edt 

Happy Columbus Day!

Now the sun is out and the town looks beautiful. Hope everyone is enjoying this great and welcoming town. It's lovely at this time of the year. We are quite fortunate.
10:44 am edt 


Props May Not Be what We need

We are a destination place. We have a beautiful and inviting town. We have a wonderful waterfront and great beaches. We are beyond props or should be. Let's put money into real attractions not fabricated qimmicks.
10:42 am edt 


Sorry but that blue chair is so ugly. The most beautiful building in town with that chair at its entrance is sad. The VSB should have directed their efforts more on off season activities like the outdoor skating rink. Help attract attention to our artist community by inviting more well known artists to town for special events. Big ugly blue chair, sad.
8:34 am edt 

Sunday, October 9, 2016


"what is the meaning of a large, over-sized blue chair? I know what they mean in Puerto Vallarta but what do they mean here?"

You folks need to get out a little more.  A large oversized chair is used as a prop on pictures.  Grown adults sit in the chair and look very small when photographed.  They then take the pic and post it on social media where it garners TONS of free publicity. 

Imagine a chair that identifies Provincetown appearing all over social media.  Free publicity!
8:46 pm edt 

Saturday, October 8, 2016


What Exactly is a blue chair supposed to symbolize?

It isn't maritime. It is not Pilgrim-related. It is not ocean-related.

what is the meaning of a large, over-sized blue chair? I know what they mean in Puerto Vallarta but what do they mean here?

It is rather odd but maybe someone better understands than I do why a blue chair is significant.
2:54 pm edt 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

Has anyone seen actual plans for the former Hot L site?
I did see the meeting with the planning board but they only gave sketches of the houses, not actual plans. Maybe we will only know what will be there when it is finally built. But maybe some know more and can describe what actually will be constructed there. that would help.
1:50 pm edt 


Maybe the blue chair should be placed at 350 Bradford Street

then other abutters can say goodbye to what had been a good use of this land and now will be high buildings densely situated. and the neighborhood will be damaged by a Shankpainter like look. Sorry but it will look a bit slum-like, if the dunes don't fall in upon it all. Plus, there will always be large puddles of water, all around.

A great way to greet people as they enter Provincetown.
1:48 pm edt 

Re: 350 Bradford Street

Who Determines Bedrooms?

Who is controlling who gets bedrooms? What is the process? It's confusing when you hear who is still waiting for bedrooms and then those who just seem to get bedrooms. but there must be some process? Does someone know and can you tell us?
9:44 am edt 

Request and Statement

Could you post? Little happening here. You are becoming irrelevant.
9:41 am edt 


Ever notice on facebook type sites someone addresses an issue (like the big blue chair in front of town hall) then someone complains about it then someone complains about the people that complained. Well, its official! I am complaining about the people that complain about those that complained. There! I got it out and I feel better!
9:39 am edt 

Re: Pathetic

"Oh, stop playing the victim card."

My card the Queen of hearts and I have seen both your faces!
9:38 am edt 

Re: Sal's Place

"Cannot even begin to think of what that Women has been through because of the corrupt actions of this town. I hope she prevails and those that caused her this great injustice pay for their ill doing."

Really? this is about the Sal's lady? Or is that your interpretation Clarence? 
9:36 am edt 

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals

You folks should really go to the meetings of some of the town boards and learn about these projects you criticize. 350 Bradford had growth management gallons from its prior use as a restaurant - way more than needed for the development. That's why it as such a desirable development site.

The project has been reviewed by the Planning Board, not the ZBA. You can watch the meetings on PTV. Or just wallow in your self-imposed ignorance and expect people to answer your questions on an anonymous blog.

What they're building *meets our zoning requirements*. Enough said.
9:34 am edt 

Re: Pathetic

Victim card.

Well, you're certainly not a woman over 50. It's great being born on 3rd base ain't it? Change is coming tho, bunny, watch.
9:32 am edt 


Put the big ugly blue chair in your parking lot Mr Loudmouth, VSB board member. What a stupid ass idea.
9:31 am edt 

Re: Pathetic

"Oh, stop playing the victim card."

Right back atcha,       !
9:29 am edt 

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals

350 Bradford Development Appears Confusing

Why, as an abutter stated, has this development only gone to Planning? there are many zoning issues faced in this development and also there are bedrooms and gallons and allotments that seem to require, by law, a ruling from Zoning.

I know some individuals who are waiting for over a year to simply add one bedroom. I know other contractors who are in a similar place. So how do these developers get to add thirteen new bedrooms--it was a restaurant and not a residence before--to this parcel of land?

Can someone explain the thirteen new bedrooms and all granted now to these developers? Don't they have to wait in queue like others in town?
9:27 am edt 

Wednesday, October 5, 2016

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals
350 Bradford Street 
Who is responsible for cutting out the ZBA from weighing in on the matter of 350 Bradford Street?
It does appear  that the gallonage given to the devevelopers of 350 depletes the available gallonage
for others. why 
10:11 am edt 

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals
350 Bradford Street
It is Not 40B Because Provincetown was Shown to be a Safe Haven

Meaning that 1.5% of our land is already used for affordable housing and thus allowing the town to vote against 40B on this development. and it did. therefore 350 Bradford Street--the old Michael Shay's--is all market rate condos--all thirteen units.

there is absolutely no 40B and how they these developers get all these bedrooms remains a question, doesn't it?
9:05 am edt 

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals
350 Bradford Street 
 Won't the Height at the old Michael shay's Trigger zoning?

Seems that the height of these seven buildings will need special permit from Zoning. And the excavation for each parking space, most underground, will require special consideration as well. so what is happening here where these developers are exempt from overview? Do they know some people at town hall? Who are they?
2:45 am edt 

Re: Sal's Place

Looking For More Forthcoming Revealing Documentation
2:38 am edt 

Provincetown Beacon

Sorry New PB

Wake up and post. It is getting soooooooooooooooooo boooooooooooooooooring. Time to work and post. Or close it up! Yawning as I write.
2:36 am edt 

Re: Soup Kitchen

Don't know who the new hire is?

why would this person be a problem? and even more, who is this person? Hired for what? Who?

Please do let us know.
2:33 am edt 

Re: Pathetic
"Ever hear of discrimination?"
"Yeah, I hear that classic whine a lot, usually from overgrown-crybaby men, who have NO clue what the reality want to know REAL discrimination? Talk to a WOMAN, or better yet, a woman over 50!!"

Oh, stop playing the victim card.
2:30 am edt 

Re: Street Performers

Having a forum at town hall to discuss street performers will be one more longwinded waste of time. There already is a bylaw, enforce it.The volume on speakers can be regulated, just do it.
2:25 am edt 

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals

350 Bradford Street
Had to be 40b. Otherwise they would not have received their bedrooms. If it is not 40B how the heck did they receive bedrooms through our growth managemet bylaw?
2:21 am edt 

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals
350 Bradford Street
I Like This Issue

But how could seven buildings not trigger density issues? If it were one or even two buildings, then density would not require Zoning. But it seems to me that seven buildings and then thirteen condo units and all the roads and "streets" would require a variance on the issue of density.

Maybe someone on zoning could explain this confusion.
2:20 am edt 

Re: Soup Kitchen

I want you all to know that I no opinion on the new hire. The previous post was by an impostor.  I hope that those who have been reading my posts all these years can tell the difference. Its rather easy to do so actually.

A Rat In The Basement
2:18 am edt 

Re: Pathetic

I give up! Nothing is more important to some than their own lives and experiences. Just because one suffers discrimination does not mean other peoples' discrimination is  merely a dismissive inconvenience they have to suffer alone. We should all help each other, male or female over 50 or under 50. This from a whiny 70 year old gay man  that has faced biases and is not so self centered as to think I am the only person that matters.
2:16 am edt 

Sunday, October 2, 2016

Re: Pathetic

"Ever hear of discrimination?"
Yeah, I hear that classic whine a lot, usually from overgrown-crybaby men, who have NO clue what the reality want to know REAL discrimination? Talk to a WOMAN, or better yet, a woman over 50!!
2:42 pm edt 

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals
"Why is it that Zoning is not giving these proposed seven buildings and proposed thirteen family units any consideration? Why will seven buildings be built without any oversight of Zoning and without any exact architectural plans and exact elevations?"                                              
There is No Affordable Housing on this 350 Bradford Development

So no exemption from Zoning and or Conservation would occur. Had 40B been granted, then it would have by-passed Zoning but it is all market rate units.

Zoning by-laws, as presenting written, do not, I believe, allow Planning to overtake the regulatory role of Zoning. there is some missing regulatory role by Zoning. I don't know who is interpreting the by-laws but questions get raised on this particular development. If it were one building or one building but it seems to be multiple structures.
2:39 pm edt 

Soup Kitchen

Good luck with the new hire, this should be an interesting winter for the blog.
Rat in the Basement
2:37 pm edt 

Saturday, October 1, 2016

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals
"Please correct me if I'm wrong but once the affordable designation is given to any part of a development, isn't said development released of restrictions from zoning, planning and conservation as well as bedroom limits? Just asking for clarification." 
No, not completely correct. If the development is declared a 40B development, then the project overrides local zoning but still must adhere to water and septic rules. Town sewer, town water, pretty much a go ahead.
3:36 pm edt 

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals

Re: 350 Bradford
Please correct me if I'm wrong but once the affordable designation is given to any part of a development, isn't said development released of restrictions from zoning, planning and conservation as well as bedroom limits? Just asking for clarification.
12:56 pm edt 

Re: A Question for the Zoning Board of Appeals

350 Bradford and Zoning

They would have had to go to zoning under the previous bylaw when buildung multiple units on one lot but we voted at town meeting to take that from zoning and put it in planning.  This is what happens when some do not understand how the bylaws work and they just vote things through. As a former ZBA member of many years ago I can tell you the Planning Board spent endless hours of putting in place bylaws that worked well for many years, as the Zoning Board could not rewrite bylaws they were to enforce. The redrafting of the Zoning Bylaws was the role of the Planning Board. Certain bylaws were changed within the last few years taking them away from zoning and giving them to planning.
7:34 am edt 

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