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Thursday, March 31, 2016

Re: Available Property Adjacent to Winslow Farms?

 

52 Winslow st.  Owned by Mr. Richard Henrique

16,018 sf. of property. Zoned R3 with necessary 50ft. frontage and No one knows of this?? Especially BOS? Town Manager?   Why? More clouds fall over back room deal with Mr. Savko and our BOS  . This is disturbing if the owner of this property is willing to sell to the town. Parcel 8-2-19-E on tax map.  Again  Zoned R3.  TM  Please look into this before town meeting.

10:17 pm edt 

Re: Dump Donegan!

 

It is because of Tom Donegan's lack of leadership the  issue regarding the Police Station

has persisted so long. He has never been able to step up to the plate; to craft  a definitive

set of instructions as to what, after all these years, is the set of criteria  the Building Committee

should  be operating under. They have  asked this of the BOS year after year.

 

It is to the Town Managers credit that he, David Panagores,  pushed for the use of the building

design funds to  be used to develop prospective alternatives as to  the size and location of the police station. 

Lacking a set, Donegan has been  led by the nose like a pathetic bull to the slaughter, this last year by McPherson, who is running amok through town hall, with the apparent blessing of the new Town Manager, who appears ignorant of the fiasco created by McPherson and Donegan's husband, Mark Weinress, during last years ATM.

Let's face it that's why Weinress left town and had a big falling out with Mcpherson . Their warrants went down in flame!

 

   

7:10 pm edt 

Re: Available Property Adjacent to Winslow Farms?


Looking on the assessors maps, it looks like Winslow farms has paved onto Henriques property. Is this how the town plans on being a good neighbor?

I say pursue Henrique, buy the property for so much less than Winslow Farm, cleanup the property and use it as an access to Winslow for the development of affordable housing, SOME affordable housing. To maximize buildout on Winslow Farm is insensitive to the neighbors and neighborhood. Henriques property is smaller, less intrusive and less cost to the taxpayers and we keep the CC for future affordable housing plans for the town that the town can build.
6:39 pm edt 

An Observation

 

All five selectmen have been abstaining for a couple of years now.  How would it be different now?

6:28 pm edt 

In Defense of Donegan

 

"Re: Dump Donegan" 

Breglia and Siegal are working overtime typing out there "stop Tom Donegan" posts on mypacc! I suppose they feel if they post enough people will change their minds and agree. Tom Donegan has done a lot for Provincetown and has served on Fincom and as a Selectman, not for financial gain, and obviously not for glory or power. He and his husband love the town and what it can be. Tom has worked very hard to strengthen the year-round community, and much of that work is beginning to move through state and local government. It is imperative that Donegan continue with his leadership and knowledge of Provincetown's challenges and direction. Please, if you vote for anyone for Selectman, re-elect Tom Donegan.

5:18 pm edt 

Re: Dump Donegan!

"Use this opportunity to eliminate Tom Donegan and render Erik Yingling neutered." 

Erik Yingling neutered? but where can I sign the recall petition?

5:07 pm edt 

Re: Available Property Adjacent to Winslow Farms?

So why not purchase that for so much less than an overpriced developed property right next door? The town can do whatever we want with it and still keep the Community center for affordable and we the town develop it. Lets wake up, the deal for Winslow Farms/Community Center is very fishy. Mr. Henrique needs to approach town meeting with the offer and maybe with his realtor. If he had a realtor and that realtor approached the selectmen, which realtor and which selectman?
3:33 pm edt 

Re: Available Property Adjacent to Winslow Farms?

 

The property for sale on Winslow is owned by Richard Henrique. Not sure of the actual street number. It's a dirt driveway to the right of Winslow Farms. There is an old building on the property now that needs to be torn down. Trying to find out from him which realtor approached the BOS about purchasing the property. As I said previously he's asking 475k for the land. It's definitely worth the discussion as an option to the swap!

1:56 pm edt 

Re: To: Webmaster


"When are you going  to post about what I have written about the DPW"

So now we may have some censoring of comments regarding the DPW and I see no followup comments regarding the issues someone mentioned in the fire department.

Lets hope not. These are important departments and if there is trouble, it would be nice to be informed.

1:54 pm edt 

Dump Donegan!

Use this opportunity to eliminate Tom Donegan and render Erik Yingling neutered.
Break the back of  the Affordable Housing cabal.
 
Get rid of Donegan and regain reasonableness on  the BOS. Let's not be taken for Patsies.
Donegan is turning his focus to New York and will leave us with the results of his poor
decisions and lack of leadership.  
10:27 am edt 

To: Webmaster

 

When are you going  to post about what I have written about the DPW

9:45 am edt 

Vote "NO" on Condo Ban and Tax on New Housing

 

Vote NO on the condo ban and vote NO to creating a new tax on new housing.  These proposals will cause properties to be worth less and will further remove rights of property owners.  The condo ban failed last time it was introduced and hopefully it will fail again.  The newly created tax on development is another foolish idea that should be voted down.

9:44 am edt 

Re: Available Property Adjacent to Winslow Farms?

 

Do you have the address? What is the property assessed at?

Is there any truth to this? Address? owner? If it is - very interesting. Beats losing our valuable Community Center( worth much more than $600,00.00 with 17 bedroms attached to deal and bypassing growth management.)

9:40 am edt 

Louise Venden - BOS Candidate

 

Louise Venden is making more sense every day. Compared to the other candidates at least she has the desire to communicate with voters. She has expressed her opinions forthright and backed them up with reasoning and facts. Most any opposition comes from breglia and his partner, forgot his name. They are both candidates with personal grudges within town politics. Not capable of being selectmen. Cheryl A. is out, she has alienated every faction in town, miss spoiler, can't make a decision. I think she just doesn't like men and it shows in her treatment of her fellow board members. Maybe Louise Venden would make a good Selectman after all. The choices are not wide.

9:38 am edt 

Re: Ah, Was That the Best of 365 at Sage?

 

"Seems rather few people and then there is Cherly and then there is Donegan and then Panagore.  Wow! ReallY! This is it! Seems rather unimpressive."

Could someone please translate this post for the people on earth? Thanks.

9:36 am edt 

Wednesday, March 30, 2016

Anyone But Donegan!

Donegan has only been focused on his and his partners desires.
His partner was a complete failure, following the lead of Gloria McPherson.
 
Now he's gone , the next step is to remove Donegan who has been such a
big disappointment.
 
Do not reelect Donegan. 
11:19 pm edt 

Kill the Triumvirate
 
If we eliminate Donegan the triumvirate dies.
Vote for  anyone but Donegan! 
9:36 pm edt 

Yes, Eliminate Tom Donegan

And you kill the ill-logical everything is only affordable housing. Get rid of Donegan and we can get back to an even keel. He is the head of the dangerous triad and eliminate his position, and we can return to a more normal BOS.
9:32 pm edt 

Re: Available Property Adjacent to Winslow Farms?

Do you have the address? What is the property assessed at?
9:31 pm edt 

Ah, Was That the Best of 365 at Sage?

Seems rather few people and then there is Cherly and then there is Donegan and then Panagore.  Wow! ReallY! This is it! Seems rather unimpressive.

Did anything really significant happen there?
9:29 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police Station

 

We, as a town, have never voted on any amount  at town meeting for the police station.  That's a fact, let's stop repeating incorrect information.

We once voted at the ballot box for Mike Canizales ill conceived article 30, which said $3M.  Article 30 was never voted on at town meeting.

Setting an indiscriminate amount for the police without considering actual construction costs is as idiotic as saying you would like to buy a five bedroom house with water views for $500,000.  It ain't going to happen.  The BOS has to use their brain for once in their life and say 'yes we agree we need a new police station and this is what it's going to cost' or they can say 'we don't support building a new police station'.

Grow a pair BOS and be honest with the residents, quit kicking the can down the road and make a decision.

Or are all five of you going to abstain?

9:27 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police Station

 

Keep It Where It Is! 

I am glad the town manager pointed out the swap of land and the VFW/Winslow site does NOT have to have a police station attached! We do not want a police station there, we have said this multiple times in multiple ways!! Please listen. Keep the police station where it is, invest the 5 million dollars into renovations, and smile. That is what the voters have decided. Stop trying to get around the voters. If I vote for the swap, it cannot include a police station, period, end of rant.

9:25 pm edt 

Available Property Adjacent to Winslow Farms?

 

There is an available property for sale adjacent to Winslow Farms that has been appraised at 475k. This info as well as the appraisal was presented to the BOS. The parcel not only has access to the VFW but also has the ability for housing.  Why has this been kept hush hush? 

5:16 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police Station

The Sky Has Not Fallen!
 
Three years ago we were told that the present police station was in such ill repair
that we would have to move or face dire consequences, resulting from the imminent
failure of the building.
 
Three years of scheduled maintenance and  the investment of reasonable funds have proven this prediction to be a gross exaggeration.
 
An additional $5 million dollar investment would go  a long way in improving this structure, making it more than suitable for a town this size. 
 
The BOS' previous instructions were for the Building Committee to work with the $5 million cap. What Happened? Did you  think  we would forget?!
2:51 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police Station

 

Fix this one

Fix the Police Station and spend no more than $5 million. and you don't need to spend $1.2 million for temporary quarters. It is a small town and we do not need a BOG police station. Jaran is gone. Sharon is Lynn is gone. Let's get this one fixed and all is well.

2:29 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police Station

A police station can be built for $5 million just not particularly the one presented prior. That has always been the problem, small town wants the big building for the small department.
1:16 pm edt 

Provincetown Police Station

 

Are some people that simple,or are they just being devilish? Can you buy a new car ,food,or anything now for what you paid 5 years ago? Well,the same applies to a Police Station! It COULD have been built for 5 Million then - NOT NOW! Hindsight - not foresight with that one! For that lesson we'll all pay the Piper!!!

9:27 am edt 

Replace Tom Donegan - Enough Already!

 

The never ending barrage of articles aimed towards affordable housing may slow down if we replace Tom Donegan on BOS. How many affordable units is enough, it appears that answer will never be given. I was told 10% years ago. Goal reached, not our problem if most of the affordable rentals have been given to people that did not even live in town 10 years ago.

8:44 am edt 

Silence in the Face of Discriminatory LGBT Legislation

 

Seattle, San Francisco, New York City, and New York State announced bans on the use of public funds for travel to North Carolina, due to its recent passage of [anti-]discriminatory LGBT legislation.

Not surprised about Governor Baker's silence on this matter.  However, it is surprising that our town leaders, and our state legislature, specially our Senator and Representative, have been silent as well.

8:37 am edt 

Tuesday, March 29, 2016

Anderson Instead of Andrews

 

Oops I typed Anderson instead of Andrews, so why don't ya shoot me. Ironic though, that there's not much difference between the two.

Regardless, your comments are equally stupid.

6:50 pm edt 

Re: Cheryl Andrews - BOS Candidate

 

Yes indeed, Dr. Andrews has a very high opinion of her opinion, chiding, diminishing and condescending, that is her style personally and in Town government, some find it helpful, I think it's tiresome and self important.

But isn't that the reason people serve, but to appear more "important"!

12:56 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

"Ms Anderson has not been a Selectman in 2 years now" 

 

Oops I typed Anderson instead of Andrews, so why don't ya shoot me. Ironic though, that there's not much difference between the two.  They're both ineffective know-nothing blowhards who love the sound of their own voices.  They gain traction by pretending to be sweet lil old ladies...AndERSON had one issue, and I quote, "Please remember to trim your bushes."   Too bad even as chairman (where she had to second her nomination because even her fellow board members couldn't stand her) she couldn't manage to fix even that tiny problem.   AndREWS comes off as smarmy and disingenuous as well;  kind of like the poster who jumped on me because I made a little typo. 

12:37 pm edt 

Fire Department Dustup??!!

What's the scuttle I hear in the fire/rescue department? I understand we have a few less people on rescue now?? Are we downsizing in preparation for regionalizing with Truro and their new chief and full time department??

Inquiring minds want to know.
12:32 pm edt 

Re: Gordon J. Siegel - BOS Candidate

 

Vote 'No' on Article 7"

Does anyone really believe the appraisal on the two properties?  Gordon Siegel (sp) pointed out the flaws in the appraisal.  But now we are to vote to trade away town owned land based on a suspicious appraisal?

It doesn't smell right to me.

8:37 am edt 

BOS Meeting - Police Station Cost

 

Hadn't We Voted to Keep the Police Station to $5 million?

Now I see estimates for more than $9 million and one for more than $11 million. and we are not even talking anymore about a new police station. that seemed to have left when Jaran left town.

Fix the one we have and keep it where it is. It has worked and Shankpainter Road has been a perfect place.

1:00 am edt 

Tuesday, March 29, 2016

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

"You think Donegan dominates BOS meetings?  It's been my observation that our very own little Ted Cruz, Ms. Anderson, is constantly placing herself center stage,  interrupting..."


This is an example of why I love this page. The reader comments, but doesn't even know who they're talking about. Ms Anderson has not been a Selectman in 2 years now. Get out more often. Or stop smoking weed and figure out what year it is. Or better yet, please keep commenting on anonymous pages so people don't know you're stupid.
12:57 am edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

You think Donegan dominates BOS meetings?  It's been my observation that our very own little Ted Cruz, Ms. Anderson, is constantly placing herself center stage,  interrupting, scolding, and general rudeness to everyone. She has a decidedly unlikable personality.  Let's hope the voters go for honesty and integrity over "olde timey."

4:56 pm edt 

Vote "NO" on Article 7

 

Without a detailed plan as to what the town will do with the property on Winslow Street it is unrealistic for me to vote yes on Article 7. The VFW is still sitting dormant. That money and the dozen or so plans that will probably be drawn -up for anything at Winslow Street, could better be used to increase capacity on the sewer.

8:47 am edt 

Re: The Value of the Past

If we don't learn from past mistakes, they're bound to repeat themselves
8:45 am edt 

Sunday, March 27, 2016

Easter Holiday

 

Happy Easter Everyone

5:41 pm edt 

The Value of the Past

 

To people that think past history is not important,they are delusional! Can't erase what was,like it didn't happen!There's spillover & these related histories are most important so it doesn't repeat itself!

5:39 pm edt 

Saturday, March 26, 2016

Re: Louise Venden - BOS Candidate

 

"Please Stop it, Boys...."

Yeah. I suspect this comment is widely understood by Provincetown women in particular. Those screaming the loudest don't have a clue how obnoxious and self congratulatory they are, day in, day out. Such a fatal bore. Thank God there's Netflix.

9:58 pm edt 

Re: Louise Venden - BOS Candidate

 

"Louise A Venden: Please Stop it, Boys. This "discussion" deteriorated and needs to stop. .  ."

This woman is absolutely bizarre.  She really should stay off social media, she looks a little more insane with every post.

7:43 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan-BOS Candidate -Vote No!

 

Tom Donegan: I am sure you started out on the right path. Beliefs. Ideals. Compromise.

You ended up short sided ,deals for friends,EGO.

7:38 pm edt 

Donegan & Andrews - BOS Canddates - Vote No!

 

May Election:

I have been a property owner since the mid 80"s Full time resident now for over 25 years, have served on Boards, own 2 year round businesses, meet payrolls weekly, pay my taxes blah, blah etc. I have never voted for Dr. Andrews and never will, we need a different direction. I did Vote for Tom D but have seen nothing positive from his tenure and we are in need of better leadership. I hope with the new TM we can turn the corner and start setting a new "course" without losing what makes Provincetown the special piece of sand that it is!

7:35 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

Maybe there's Need for a Better Understanding of what "good for the town" Involves

To say Donegan has worked for the "good of the town" seems to be based on a distorted view of what "good for the town" means. It should not mean "good for Tom Donegan"; it should not mean "good for what Yingling wants,"; it should not mean "good for my friends the large developers want"; it should not mean "good for my special friends" want. It also should not mean "good for pay back to those who embarrassed Mark Weinress."

Yet this is what motivates his sense of "good for the town" leaving most of us and our desires and our hopes for the town outside any of his concerns.

10:31 am edt 

Louise Venden Posted in the Provincetown Beacon
 
 
March 26 at 5:01am
 
"Louise A Venden: Please Stop it, Boys. This "discussion" deteriorated and needs to stop. No new information is being provided, motivations remain hidden, and other than objecting to proposals brought forth by people dedicated to serving the public or elected to do so, there are no reasons for the objections for this swap....factually, really, realistically, rationally and in any way related to the interest of the "Community" the membership of which seems to include an extraordinary number of oligarchs(yes, I earned an undergrad in history)((with honors)) (((now I am laughing))) at how self serving and narrow these comments against the swap are. I said it, and I could say more, but I thought I wanted to try to be in a leadership role this remarkable, but deluded Town. Rethinking it."
 
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9:42 am edt 

Re: David Panagore - Town Manager

 

"YES, word is the Town Manager speaks loudly and carries a big stick, getting things done"

Carrying a big stick and threatening people are very different.  His motto is 'get them before they get you'.  The ones who don't like it will eventually leave as the treasurer already did.  Happens anywhere there is a change at the top. 

9:33 am edt 

Donegan & Andrews - BOS Canddates

 

It would be great if we could talk about issues without the name calling.  I won't vote for either Andrews or Donegan because I don't think they serve the town well.  Donegan doesn't have the leadership skills and Andrews has brought nothing to the table except her view of past history.

9:31 am edt 

Friday, March 25, 2016

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

No One Must Have Listened to Tommy Donegan when he was Little
because he is all center stage. Even if and when he has nothing to say, he says it. He dominates BOS and yet provides few ideas.

8:32 pm edt 

Re: Gordon J. Siegel - BOS Candidate -March 24, 2016

 

Gordon Siegal- Does anyone have Gordon's contact info? phone number? He is making sense to me.

8:30 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan

 

Tom Donegan, in spite of the rude and ignorant comments, continues to do good things for Provincetown, along with his current BOS! Thank you to everyone involved, it takes a community!!

Tom Donegan:

"I am happy to report the Town of Provincetown has signed a contract with Outer Cape Health Services to provide expanded Social Services for Provincetown residents suffering from mental illness, substance abuse problems, or both. Without your support at Town Meeting, this would not be a reality.

This is just one example of how Provincetown comes together to address a problem that leaves our most vulnerable citizens at risk. Our mentally ill and those wrestling with addiction often find meaningful resources both scarce and distant. I have long been concerned about how much we ask of our local non profits and how little assistance Town has provided them to do that work.

From now on Provincetown residents will have the opportunity to call on a Healthcare "Navigator" to help guide them through a complicated matrix of mental health care on the Cape.

I am thankful for the leadership of Assistant Town Manager David Gardner, our Health Department Director Morgan Clark, members of the Board of Health; particularly Dr. Whalen, and Chris Hottle who has done so much to benefit our seniors. And I look forward to providing whatever support Outer Cape Health Services needs to make this program a resource for Provincetown.

This step forward would not have been possible without the support from the Board of Selectmen and the people of Provincetown who have once again demonstrated our commitment to each other, our families, friends and neighbors."Tom Donegan, in spite of the rude and ignorant comments, continues to do good things for Provincetown, along with his current BOS! Thank you to everyone involved, it takes a community!!

3:47 pm edt 

Venue For Free Speech

 

I like the Idea of Testing Posters for their State of mind

but since no one knows who is actually posting here--and that includes the webmaster--how could you? It is truly anonymous which is why I post here. No one can find out who is saying what they say and that is why those with power hate this blog. they detest a venue where people can freely and anonymously post their thoughts, opinions and positions without fear, without retribution.

It is a wonderful venue for free speech.

12:50 pm edt 

Every Once in a While That Idea Comes Up!

Did I understand what I read recently about the 365 group & attendees at a recent pow wow in Town Hall with ridiculous ideas on how to make Provincetown better? One insane idea was to take the Municipal Parking Lot out & shuttle people in! That's the Town's Cash Cow!! Convenient for Richter's Buses! Insanity is setting in now again! Every once in a while that idea comes up! Get over yourselves & your stupid ideas! It will never pass GO!!
12:47 pm edt 

Re: Re: Bernie Sanders vs Dark Money

My advice to you is to keep your arms extended outward at all times.

Its harder for them to throw the net over you when they come for you.
12:45 pm edt 

Gordon J. Siegel - BOS Candidate -March 24, 2016
 
Posted on the Provincetown Beacon

Hello Voters.
This year we are being asked at Town Meeting to pass many Articles in the name of housing. I support Community and Workforce housing. I am frustrated that we are spending millions on Affordable housing without the desired effects. Many of the units sit empty all Winter and have couch crashers in the Summer. My point? We can’t force people to stay in the Winter but we as a Town don’t need to subsidize summer workforce housing in the name of affordable housing. Let’s be fair. As an elected leader, I will listen to all the Voters. I understand we are within 5 units of the state mandated minimum 10% affordable units. We the Taxpayers should decide to go above and beyond the 10%.

Specifically, I believe and support the following:

A Deed restricted private sale of the Community Center for Summer Workforce Housing or Market Rate Year Round Housing. I don’t want to trade away our Community Center to a Developer from Florida and I believe Article 7 of the STM asking us to trade Mr. Savko our Community Center in exchange for his Winslow Farms is not the right solution to our housing needs.

In this 11th hour, the BOS and FINCOM have made it clear: no one else came to the table and his offer is take it or leave it. I think we should ‘gamble’ and leave it. I believe the Community Center is an opportunity for the Town to work with the Employers inTown to create a program and incentives to ensure they acquire housing for their Employees. We don’t need to think outside the box, we need to live it. A shared approach by local business owners puts the responsibility on them to house their Employees. I pledge to work at making this happen.

We also need to fulfill the Voters wishes and both resolve the matter of the Police Station location as well as build Community Housing at the current VFW location.

I am part of the Year Round Community and want my friends to be able to call Provincetown Home. I am dedicated to finding solutions to the housing situation. Two articles this year target only specific segments of property owners and unfairly affects their financial position.

Article 26 failed last year. It looks to ban condominium conversations for any multi unit building with more than 3 units. I ask you to (again) Vote NO to creating an artificial barrier to the market. I believe the desired effects will not be met and the negative unintentional consequences far worse for everyone, not just these owners.

Article 32, the “Inclusionary Housing Bylaw,” proposes to encourage overbuilding with forced Deed restriction as a means of adding affordable units for households of all incomes and household sizes. The Article includes a forced payment in lieu of building to be used for affordable housing. I believe this law will create undesired over building and unfairly target a segment of property owners by this forced tax. I ask you to Vote NO to Article 32.

I believe in preserving our Historic Community and in solutions for everyone. We must not allow the continued erosion of our Residential Zoning. We must preserve Our Seaside Village.

11:16 am edt 

Condolences

 

Politics aside- our deepest sympathy for Erik and Raphael in their time of great loss and sorrow . A young life gone. Prayers to you both and your family.

 

9:38 am edt 

Re: Selfish, Thoughtless

 

Why do you assume the poster/s of whatever post you took offense too even knew of the selectman's loss? Very sad tragic loss.  

The town is equally overrun with know it alls, narcissistics and sociopaths but love the arm chair, googling, web med analysis of anonymous posts.

yeah too much drivel for the paranoid shut ins.

9:33 am edt 

Great to Have Free Parking Throughout April

I have wanted this for years. There are still only few of us here and it would be nice to park on the street until May. Now--this is done. Finally one proposal and plan I can accept and applaud 100%.

A great idea and a wonderful change for us all!
9:31 am edt 

Re: Bernie Sanders vs Dark Money

 

Try Reading "Dark Money" by Janet Mayer and see the corruptive influence of dark money in the campaigns and how they secretly used monies to even fund Nixon while pretending to be otherwise. The extreme right is dangerous and will fund anyone who can oppose and pose a threat to Democrats. I also believe the money behind Bernie Sanders is not from loyal fans but from deep underground right wing parties. they are desperate to beat Hillary and funding Sanders is the step in the right direction for their cause. It is logical, though not often discussed or investigated.

9:29 am edt 

Re: David Panagore - Town Manager

 

YES, word is the Town Manager speaks loudly and carries a big stick, getting things done!

9:26 am edt 

Re: A Personal Perspective

"...  You were saying that someone's driveway desire was "ugly as all get out."  Girly, I have seen your house, driveway, yard, etc, and I gotta say your place is the biggest eyesore in the neighborhood. Are you by any chance from Appalachia?  You're  such fraud and a hypocrite."

So true!  As a neighbor of Ms. Andrews, I drive by her property everyday.  It truly is an eyesore and she should be the last one to comment on the appearance of someone else's property.  Your home is an embarrassment to the neighborhood and certainly brings down property values.  You need to attend to projects in your own home and stop speaking disparagingly about others. Your not just a hypocrite, but also a snob!
9:25 am edt 

Thursday, March 24, 2016

To: Webmaster

 

Dear Clarence.

It is time to start drug testing and administering breathalyzer tests to the posters here. Most of what has been posted here recently is incomprehensible drivil. 

2:42 pm edt 

Re: "Selfish, Thoughtless"

"I want to be sure I understand what is happening. Two of our selectmen lost a family member. A very young family member in a very tragic way, and you can't wait until a week has passed?
Selfish, thoughtless and honestly I'm ashamed FOR you all.
How you expect anyone to take you seriously when you have absolutely no concern for others well being is beyond me."


You can understand what is happening up the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath on WebMD.  The town is overrun with sociopaths, no doubt with a few psychopaths thrown in -- from WebMD: Sociopaths are less able to play along. They make it plain that theyre not interested in anyone but themselves. They often blame others and have excuses for their behavior.

2:39 pm edt 

Re: Bernie, Bernie, Bernie is Boring, Boring, Boring

 

"He can't be president. He may get crowds created with right wing republican money--he is the dream they want to counter Hillary--and they will and they have secretly and darkly poured money into Bernie's campaign. How else do you think this man from Vermont is raising millions a day?

Don't be naïve. They--yes they- the right wing group you hate and detest--are funding Bernie. Are you shocked? then you are naïve.

If you were a right wing republican, wouldn't you fund him? But, of course."

That's the most moronic thing I've heard in this election.  Crowds created with right wing Repub money?  PROVE it.  Name names, provide links, otherwise it's a baseless charge.
I think it's much more believable to imagine that the millions raised by Bernie are from a very angry populace who are sick of their world being thrown in the sewer by sociopaths with too much money and a sick craving for power.  They support Bernie because they still reect the violent free-for-all of the ring-wingers.  I've seen that anger, and I've felt it as well.

You ought to pray that he does get elected -- because the only other alternative for those millions of donors may be armed rebellion, a la French Revolution.  Guerilla style.

2:27 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Chair

 

"It's bad enough we have to listen to your b.s. but must we also be subjected  to your weirdo speech impediments?" 

 

yeah, I cant stand TD either but is this necessary?

2:22 pm edt 

Re: Critical Thinking

 

"Perhaps a Lack of Critical thinking

is too often used by those who scream "conspiracy" every time the issue raised does not fit their simplistic thinking. 2 plus 2 equals four and that fact is not a conspiracy--even if you don't believe it! Try thinking a little bit more. It does help explain social life."

Ok i'll try with the critical thinking approach to the Bernie right wing connection.

I can get the 2 plus 2 by putting down two objects on the able and then adding two more and counting the lot.  Yes, it equals four.  Good critical thinking approach.  It worked.

Ok now move to Bernie and the right wing money.  I have bernie.  I know that Bernie has lots of money.  I know that there is a right wing political component.  Now let's see.  HMMM?? How do I use critical thinking to connect all the dots.  Could Bernie have gotten the money from somewhere other than the right wingers?  Critical thinking says, possible.  How about from the right wingers? Also, possible.  Ok how do we know for sure which possibility is correct?  The guy with the money says one thing.  The person with no REAL information says another.  What does a critical thinker do with this info?  I have no choice here.  I'll stick with what I said before.  Conspiracy fool. No amount of critical thinking can jump that crevasse.

10:18 am edt 

Re: To: Tom Donegan - BOS Chair

 

"It's bad enough we have to listen to your b.s. but must we also be subjected  to your weirdo speech impediments?"

Hate much?

9:59 am edt 

Critical Thinking

 

Perhaps a Lack of Critical thinking

is too often used by those who scream "conspiracy" every time the issue raised does not fit their simplistic thinking. 2 plus 2 equals four and that fact is not a conspiracy--even if you don't believe it! Try thinking a little bit more. It does help explain social life.

9:58 am edt 

Re: Bernie, Bernie, Bernie is Boring, Boring, Boring

 

"He can't be president. He may get crowds created with right wing republican money--he is the dream they want to counter Hillary--and they will and they have secretly and darkly poured money into Bernie's campaign. How else do you think this man from Vermont is raising millions a day?

Don't be naïve. They--yes they- the right wing group you hate and detest--are funding Bernie. Are you shocked? then you are naïve.

If you were a right wing republican, wouldn't you fund him? But, of course."



Silly, silly, silly unsubstantiated fantasy.  Why do so many people prefer to manufacture conspiracies to explain everything that the don't like or cannot comprehend?  You--yes you--are a fool.

8:45 am edt 

Wednesday, March 23, 2016

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie is Boring, Boring, Boring

He can't be president. He may get crowds created with right wing republican money--he is the dream they want to counter Hillary--and they will and they have secretly and darkly poured money into Bernie's campaign. How else do you think this man from Vermont is raising millions a day?

Don't be naïve. They--yes they- the right wing group you hate and detest--are funding Bernie. Are you shocked? then you are naïve.

If you were a right wing republican, wouldn't you fund him? But, of course.
11:20 pm edt 

Erik Yingling - BOS Vice Chair

 

Erik Yingling, elected twice to BOS. First time because we did not know better, second time because no one else wanted the job. Sign the recall petition, now we know better.

11:17 pm edt 

To: Tom Donegan - BOS Chair

 

Ge-Zus, donegan have you ever heard yourself speak?  Are you aware that you end nearly  every g.d. sentence by raising your voice?  The last syllable of the last word of the sentence almost always goes up.  Although it's by far not your most annoying trait, it is one that kind of makes you sound like an idiot, and really grates on my poor little ears.  It's bad enough we have to listen to your b.s. but must we also be subjected  to your weirdo speech impediments?

4:56 pm edt 

Re: Banning Condos Conversion

 

"If ATM 26 is approved, this will establish a permitting process for multi-family home
s of 4 or more units built prior to 1983 wishing to convert to a condominium association.
origin: This general by law is modeled after an Amherst by law established in 1984 that is still in force. a host of other towns and cities also have adopted condo conversion by laws"



BIG DIFFERENCE. Amherst Has a YEAR ROUND POPULATION OF APPROX 40,000 Provincetown true year round population is approx 2800( which I would even seriously question it is that much ) That is 7% of Amherst's year round population. In addition- Amherst is NOT a tourist ecomomy. How can we model a by-law based on a town with a year round population that is greater than our by 93%?? This is flawed and a downright dangerous model for comparison. All this is = Donegan, Yingling and Richter doing whatever they can to force what they want down our throats. Homeowners- get out and vote. This has become one scary situation. We now have one of Donegan's supporters demanding a sidewalk on shankpainter so he can walk from his affortable housing unit to the stop and shop. How many roads have no sidewalks ? many- we manage. Where will this end?? The Three stooges need to go! They have no business sense and have NO regard for THE DANGEROUS RAMIFICATIONS OF THEIR FLAWED OUTRAGEOUS PROPOSED B!
Y- LAWS.Enough.

4:52 pm edt 

Selfish, Thoughtless

 

I want to be sure I understand what is happening. Two of our selectmen lost a family member. A very young family member in a very tragic way, and you can't wait until a week has passed?


Selfish, thoughtless and honestly I'm ashamed FOR you all.

How you expect anyone to take you seriously when you have absolutely no concern for others well being is beyond me.

3:30 pm edt 

David Panagore - Town Manager

 

Here's My question: what Is It that town employees don't Like About the Still-New town Manager?


The word is that his management style is abrasive.  He operates in a style of intimidation with which some have an issue.  That's why it has been said that his warm and fuzzy public persona is different with his staff.  He doesn't really trust any of his staff.  More people will leave and that's OK, let him get his own employees in place.  It may be harder than he realizes.

2:39 pm edt 

Re: Local Comprehensive Plan - Community Visioning

 

Maybe there Was Less Vision and More 365 Interests
So it seems. Repeat, repeat, repeat. will there ever be a time to really listen? A question worth asking.

12:07 pm edt 

Re: Recall Erik Yingling!

 

If It's Recall, Then Let's do IT!

If it takes a recall of Eric Yingling to stop this non-sense and this utter singularly fascination if  not obsession with affordable housing, then let's seriously consider doing this. it will take a round 278 signatures--similar to the recall effort for Austin Knight.

maybe it's time to say: enough is enough! You are a problem we need to fix!

12:05 pm edt 

Re: Banning Condos Conversion

Doesn't Yingling and the rest of the BOS realize THEY are the major cause of condo conversions? After last falls poorly thought out warrant was proposed over 80 units were converted to condos, mostly by owners who had no intention of converting but were panicked into doing so. This warrant has produced another wave of conversions. Ask any real estate lawyer what has been keeping them busy! At this point the only ones who haven't converted are the owners that don't have the $10,000 + that it costs for engineering and legal costs. Way to go Yingying. - stick it to the folks who have been trying to keep ownership of their rentals all these years!
9:45 am edt 

Re: Banning Condos Conversion

 

The Yingling condo conversion bylaw does not create more housing.  As some have said it will make less affordable.  I hope to buy a condo in a few years, but I will never be able to buy a multi family unit.  Only the wealthy will be able to afford the multi unit buildings.  And the condo conversion bylaw does nothing to address the fact that you can make more money renting seasonally than you can year-round.

9:22 am edt 

Re: Banning Condos Conversion

 

"Scope: This general by law will effect approximately 336 rental units (8% of housing units in provincetown) according to the assessors office. again, only multi-family units of 4 or more built prior to 1983."

Validate this by address- full disclosure-full transparanecy

9:21 am edt 

Re: Banning Condos Conversion

 

"Scope: This general by law will effect approximately 336 rental units (8% of housing units in provincetown) according to the assessors office. again, only multi-family units of 4 or more built prior to 1983."  



Where are you getting these numbers?? How many properties in this town have 4 or more units? I believe the town needs to post these properties by address for any credibility. If the properties are not posted by address I would seriously question this number.

9:18 am edt 

Winslow Farms Outrage!

This is a rigged deal done behind the scenes.
Put the property on the open market. Allow what you are allowing for Mr. Savko.Same terms -Re: Bypass Growth management and hook the property up  to the publc sewer system for 17 bedrooms. Allow exactly what you are allowing mr. Savko:
4 Three bedroom units, 2 Two bedroom units and 1 one bedroom unit.  Watch the bids come in.  If you do not allow this B.O.S. and Mr. Panagore you will be always under the public's eye as suspect and have in fact done a "back room" deal. It is simple. This is NOT your property. It is OUR property. The Towns  property. The BOS sold us out on the GRACE GOUVEIA BUILDING for pennies on the dollar. That was OUR property. NOT the BOS's property.Simple- put the property on the OPEN MARKET with the same terms as MR, Savko was offered. Watch and see what happens.  This Deal is nothing but a sham. WE are tired of your backroom deals and continued lack of transparency. I assure you there will be a backlash  if "FAIR MARKET" value is NOT established. This is an outrage and nothing more than a "taking" by the town. Speaking of lack of transparency- where are the minutes under exectutive session involving Jaran? How much more money did Donegan and Yingling cost us because of their egos?
9:17 am edt 

Tuesday, March 22, 2016

Wake Up You Fincom Members!

 

Provincetown Fincom member Mark Delgreco needs to understand that ALL housing in this town is "Community Housing", not "Affordable Housing". The whole fincom should try to be more in touch with this community. The only one on that board that makes any sense is Louise Venden, and I am not always a fan of Ms. Venden. She is changing my mind!  Wake up you fincom members, can it get any worse?

10:26 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing is Caught in a Paradox

 

"Either the monies are given to developers like Ted Malone--and most of our CPC monies have gone to him--and then it is state monies and federal monies added to our town monies and anyone from anywhere can apply for affordable housing. This has been happening for the last eighteen years. If you are local, you are only one of hundreds and then there is Ms. Jurawicki working with Ted Malone and helping all--outsiders and non-locals--to live here. She is a help to developers, not those looking for affordable housing because they live here. Living here counts for nothing, kids.

Or you limit CPC monies only to town projects and do not seek state or federal monies. then and only then can you limit housing to locals. but we never have taken this road and until we do, the talk goes on; the dilemma festers; and nothing changes."



FINALLY! THE TRUTH ABOUT AFFAORDABLE HOUSING. UNLESS YOU KNOW A CERTAIN SELECTMAN WHO "PUSHES YOU FORWARD".

10:20 pm edt 

Re: Banning Condos Conversion

 

Isn't that illegal to take away people's property rights?

it's actually a permitting process for condo conversion rather than a ban. 

If ATM 26 is approved, this will establish a permitting process for multi-family homes of 4 or more units built prior to 1983 wishing to convert to a condominium association.

origin: This general by law is modeled after an Amherst by law established in 1984 that is still in force. a host of other towns and cities also have adopted condo conversion by laws
http://www.masslegalhelp.org/housing/private-housing/ch20/local-protections-for-tenants-facing-condo-conversion 

Scope: This general by law will effect approximately 336 rental units (8% of housing units in provincetown) according to the assessors office. again, only multi-family units of 4 or more built prior to 1983.  

The other 92% of residential properties (approximately  4,000 housing units) will not be impacted by this law. additionally,

All new building in provincetown will be excluded from this law. all hotels and motels will be excluded from this law.

property owners with a financial hardship will still be able to develop their multi-family building of 4 or more. 

Impact: This general by law will establish a condo conversion permitting process for the aforementioned multi family units so that condo conversions protect the tenant from unlawful eviction but also provides

10:17 pm edt 

A Personal Perspective

 

Oh my god, Cheryl, I was just watching the traffic hearing and heard you, of all people dare to make a comment on aesthetics?  You were saying that someone's driveway desire was "ugly as all get out."  Girly, I have seen your house, driveway, yard, etc, and I gotta say your place is the biggest eyesore in the neighborhood. Are you by any chance from Appalachia?  You're  such fraud and a hypocrite.

10:00 pm edt 

Recall the Source of the Problem - Erik Yingling

 

All these complaints about handouts and affordable housing could be addressed if one of you would start a recall petition for Erik Yingling. Get rid of him and stop this nonsense.

9:58 pm edt 

Condo Change

DON'T DO IT.

This is a very slippery slope.
The condos that exist will become out of reach for those that possibly could have bought one, when there are no new ones, the existing ones become hard to find and harder to buy. Affordable housing is designed to be temporary housing and when a person or a couple makes enough money to move out or no longer qualify because they make too much, where will they go? If the condos go up in price, they have to leave town due to the fact that they probably don't make enough to buy but no longer qualify for affordable because they make too much. Look what Truro did last year, trying to allow condos to go year round. They have a system that only allows condos to be lived in three seasons so people wouldn't over burden the schools with children, something passed years ago. Very dumb. Now they have people in the very same scenario as I mentioned, looking for a less expensive but independent place to live but can't find one. Don't vote in favor of the condo bylaw change. The results will be devastating to the populace of the town. Basically, if you don't already own, are very wealthy or are in affordable housing, you won't be able to move to Provincetown. Is that what we want??
9:56 pm edt 

Try to Remember

 

Try to remember about community and affordable housing?

Try remembering when people pulled their own weight.

Try remembering when if people didn't buy what they couldn't afford they didn't expect taxpayers to buy it for them.

Try remembering when people didn't expect the citizens of

Provincetown to provide them with housing

paid for with the sweat and toil of the taxpayers.

Paid for by our senior citizens who worked all of their lives

and are on social security and who are property owners and

who can't condo their property after town meeting.

2:18 pm edt 

Affordable Housing is Caught in a Paradox

Either the monies are given to developers like Ted Malone--and most of our CPC monies have gone to him--and then it is state monies and federal monies added to our town monies and anyone from anywhere can apply for affordable housing. This has been happening for the last eighteen years. If you are local, you are only one of hundreds and then there is Ms. Jurawicki working with Ted Malone and helping all--outsiders and non-locals--to live here. She is a help to developers, not those looking for affordable housing because they live here. Living here counts for nothing, kids.

Or you limit CPC monies only to town projects and do not seek state or federal monies. then and only then can you limit housing to locals. but we never have taken this road and until we do, the talk goes on; the dilemma festers; and nothing changes.

Look at our history.
2:16 pm edt 

Re: Face Reality

 

MY GRANDPARENTS DIDN'T ASK FOR HANDOUTS

My grandparents came here and didn't ask the community to support them.

It seems that it has become entrenched due to our Town Hall Housing Proponents and renters that now the residents of Provincetown are being shamed into supporting people who want to live in Provincetown.

You want to live here and the rest of us are supposed to tighten our belts and fork over money and have our rights to do with our property what we will taken away to support your desire to live here..and then in a few years you leave town.

No Year Round Jobs. Few people who WANT to work year round jobs. And the rest of us are supposed to support you while you do what you can to make life harder for the taxpayers in this town.

There are senior citizens who own property and every additional expense is a hardship on them. A REAL hardship and they are in no position to go and get a job to relieve the economic strain.

2:14 pm edt 

Re: Face Reality

"There are no more big buildable lots in town that can accommodate another Province Landing.

We are an exclusive summer resort so there are no year round businesses that can sustain a year round working population of any sizable number.

Town Hall is the biggest employer in Provincetown.

Two winter before all of the snow, some businesses that DID stay open couldn't make payroll.

It is time to face facts.

This whole focus of Town Hall on saddling the property owners and the taxpayers with providing a lively hood and housing for people just isn't going to work.

Banning Condo conversions--isn't that illegal to take away people's property rights? Someone, I'm sure, will take this to court.

What this does is make any property that has gone condo already more valuable to a buyer than a neighbors multi-family home.

Two multi-family homes side by side--one has gone condo and one hasn't--means that the condoed building will sell and the other may just languish.

Taxpayers pay the salary of the housing specialist.

Taxpayers pay the salary of a person who tells people how to mange their money.

Taxpayers pay the salary of a person to try to match up roommates with people.

Taxpayers paid millions for land that went to developers for affordable housing.

Taxpayers will be denied the right to condo their property if the article is passed at town meeting.

Welcome to a Provincetown where people who rent are supported by taxpayers."



This is perfectly said!!!
2:12 pm edt 

What is Community Housing?

 

So if I make less than $50, 000, Im not part of the community? These terms affordable/community are stereotyping and don't create unite in housing solutions. Trying to remember when 'community housing' came along..

11:16 am edt 

Judy Jalbert Posted - Provincetown Voice-March 21, 2016

We all know Provincetown is hemorraging businesses and year 'round residents. I seriously question the goals defined in the town's housing playbook just published. Dividing needs into three categories is good. Resources needed for each category is questionable. Motivation for priorities is curious.

The income divide in this town is deeper than the Mauriana trench. Cronyism is rampant. Creating a healthy community needs to leap beyond those bounds.

Creating "communi...ty housing" at 120-180% of AMI for Barnstable County at $80K (which County defines as a seven person household) is questionable. I guess that accomodates domitory style housing at the community center for seasonal workers working as waiters or bartenders.

Raising the very low (30-50%) and low income levels (now 65%) is another indication the plan will not address the real long term needs of the community unless serious economic development work to create non-seasonal jobs is done. Truro's existing Ryan study is excellent basis for today's evaluation. You don't need to spend more money to extrapolate from that study.

Seasonal worker housing. Seasonal worker are stiffling the year 'round community job market. Face it. Using tax dollars to build housing for people who don't pay state nor federal taxes may line the pockets of the higher end of the Mauriana trench. It does not advance the goal of creating a sustainable economy in Provinceotwn.

I appreciate the fact that the town is putting forward an action plan all voters can evaluate and use as a queue card as they consider what's on the 2016 town warrant.

10:21 am edt 

Provincetown Has Changed

When I came here and started working, my co-workers came from other states for the summer and some rented a house together.

One was a librarian in an Arizona school, one was from PA and worked in a shop in the winter near a university.

And yet another was from Aizona and they came here year after year.

Now I see places that only have foreign students. These foreign students work two jobs..but so did we.

These students go home with $10,000.00 or $12,000.00 at the end of the summer and I know this because I've seen their bank statements that come in the mail.

They have asked me to send them their w-2 forms when they come in the mail.

My friends and I lived in dorm rooms with the bathroom down the hall..it isn't different in a shared home.

If all of these businesses went to places of higher education and went after students the way that they fill out all of these forms to go after H-2 B visas for their workers from the islands, they would find American students to work here and live here and contribute to the PROVINCETOWN ECONOMY.

Do you have any idea of how much money is sent "back home" rather than by someone who comes here to work and then decides to live here?

Was this brought up at the paving the way to the Future conference that was held last Saturday?

Or was the whole session about ways to get the taxpayers to pay more for others to live and work here and subsidize the staffs of restaurants and bars and shops?
9:34 am edt 

Face Reality

There are no more big buildable lots in town that can accommodate another Province Landing.

We are an exclusive summer resort so there are no year round businesses that can sustain a year round working population of any sizable number.

Town Hall is the biggest employer in Provincetown.

Two winter before all of the snow, some businesses that DID stay open couldn't make payroll.

It is time to face facts.

This whole focus of Town Hall on saddling the property owners and the taxpayers with providing a lively hood and housing for people just isn't going to work.

Banning Condo conversions--isn't that illegal to take away people's property rights? Someone, I'm sure, will take this to court.

What this does is make any property that has gone condo already more valuable to a buyer than a neighbors multi-family home.

Two multi-family homes side by side--one has gone condo and one hasn't--means that the condoed building will sell and the other may just languish.

Taxpayers pay the salary of the housing specialist.

Taxpayers pay the salary of a person who tells people how to mange their money.

Taxpayers pay the salary of a person to try to match up roommates with people.

Taxpayers paid millions for land that went to developers for affordable housing.

Taxpayers will be denied the right to condo their property if the article is passed at town meeting.

Welcome to a Provincetown where people who rent are supported by taxpayers.
9:30 am edt 

Selectmen Voted in a Residential Exemption-Vote "NO"

 

The Board of Selectmen voted in a residential exemption which will give those who homestead a reduction in their tax bill of several hundred dollars each year.  On the other hand the BOS proposals to limit condo conversion and to create a new tax on the development of properties will only have the effect of reducing property values across the town.  I will vote against these proposals as I do not like the town implementing policies that will have the effect of reducing the value of my property or further limiting what I can do with it.  Perhaps the residential exemption was a way for the BOS to soften the effect of what they had planned next which will have a chilling effect on the value of all property in the town if these proposals are voted in.

9:25 am edt 

Monday, March 21, 2016

Re: Fever-Dream-Like, Paranoid ad Hominem Attacks

 

If You find some of these postings annoying, then don't read them. go to another blog that comforts and soothes. Stop complaining and go read elsewhere.

Your problem is solved!

11:08 pm edt 

Re: Fever-Dream-Like, Paranoid ad Hominem Attacks

 

"as an outsider from this page"


Sure don't sound like an outsider but maybe I'm just being paranoid. 

Some of the post are asking for highlights of the 'visioning'? not Ad Hominem or ad feminam-

7:36 pm edt 

Fever-Dream-Like, Paranoid ad Hominem Attacks

 

I'm sorry, as an outsider from this page, it's impossible to read what's written here and not view all of you as annoying, know-everything, do-nothing arm-chair generals. Old, cranky, jaded, cynical people locked up in their homes. You're the problem here, not the folks you tend to criticize with fever-dream-like, paranoid ad hominem attacks.

3:30 pm edt 

Re: Useless Happy Talk-

 

Louise A Venden writes this pablam below. It is useless happy talk. Many who live and work here and don't have town hall jobs with benefits etc. We have a lot on our plate and we do what we can and have voted at town meeting for housing projects and given money and land to them.

This kind of Kumbay AH happy talk doesn't get to the issues of no good paying year round jobs because of where we live, section 8 housing that doesn't give landlords enough in rent to chose to rent to section 8 rather than go market rate and thus be able to MAKE SOME MONEY to pay bills and taxes etc.

All of the conferences and all of the happy talk in the world isn't going to bring us jobs and wages that are truly sustaining.

All of the business in Provincetown are owned by individuals who can't pay $15.00 an hour or give benefits etc.

All some select men want to do is put the screws to property owners and restrictions etc etc etc as though that is going to miraculously create the affordable housing they desire.

IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. We are a tiny town at the end of the world.

We are an EXCLUSIVE SUMMER RESORT TOWN WITH AN Aging POPULATION.
One Provincetown

"We are not Townies or Washashores
We are not renters or homeowners
We are not very young, but not that old
We are not all mothers and fathers, but we are all children
We are not all rich or all poor
We are not residents or nonresidents
We are not seasonal workers returning year after year, working hard while living in marginal housing, but we are all guilty of letting our community ignore their struggles
We are passionate, concerned and capable people who can solve housing, economic and other challenges Together!"



THATS IT IN A NUTSHELL!   enough with these bylaws telling tax paying working citizens what they can and cannot  do with their property they have worked for and paid for for years. WE NEED JOBS.THAT'S IT.Without jobs this town will remain a tourist town. Stop penalizing homeowners.Go try to get industry here like EDUCATION.Don't sell the community center-our assest we have paid for like you did with the Grace gouveia bldg -that was a terrible business decision-business experience  is something the BOS LACK or have none of.

2:22 pm edt 

Re: Subsidized Workers Housing?

 

"Seasonal workers are stiffling the year-round community job market"?

What year-round job market? 

I own a business in town. There is not now or ever has been a year-round business in this town. For 6 months things are great, for 6 months we all cut back and hold on for dear life. Build housing for the market that exists, not one that has never and probably will never exist.

2:18 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

 

Here's My question: what Is It that town employees don't Like About the Still-New town Manager?

Is he difficult to work with? Is he unclear on what he wants done? Is he too flippant with people? I'd appreciate knowing if it is true employees are not that happy with Panagore.

11:04 am edt 

Re: Subsidized Workers Housing?

 

MAKE BUSINESS OWNERS SUPPLY HOUSING FOR THEIR HIRED HELP

Seasonal worker housing.

Seasonal worker are stiffling the year 'round community job market.

Face it. Using tax dollars to build housing for people who don't pay state nor federal taxes may line the pockets of the higher end of the Mauriana trench. It does not advance the goal of creating a sustainable economy in Provinceotwn.

On the islands, the businesses supply housing TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE BUSINESSES IN TOWN BY PROVIDING HOUSING FOR THEIR WORKERS.

No one is helping me to pay my taxes..and in ten years TEN YEARS my "raises" haven't equaled a dollar yet.

MY CHRISTMAS BONUS IS STILL UNDER $100.00 after 10 years!!!

8:31 am edt 

Re: Community Vision Forum and Local Comprehensive Plan

 

THE OUTCOME OF THE "VISIONING SESSION" ON SATURDAY

TEN years after the last one. Gathering people together for an afternoon of brainstorming..and this what we get! It is all so wonderful and we are to congratulate each other for a job well done that we have reached this following conclusion:


We are not Townies or Washashores
We are not renters or homeowners
We are not very young, but not that old
We are not all mothers and fathers, but we are all children
We are not all rich or all poor
We are not residents or nonresidents
We are not seasonal workers returning year after year, working hard while living in marginal housing, but we are all guilty of letting our community ignore their struggles
We are passionate, concerned and capable people who can solve housing, economic and other challenges Together!

We are Provincetown!

I just feel so wonderful now that all of our problems are solved : )  Don't you?

8:29 am edt 

Useless Happy Talk-

 
Louise A Venden writes this pablam below. It is useless happy talk. Many who live and work here and don't have town hall jobs with benefits etc. We have a lot on our plate and we do what we can and have voted at town meeting for housing projects and given money and land to them.

This kind of Kumbay AH happy talk doesn't get to the issues of no good paying year round jobs because of where we live, section 8 housing that doesn't give landlords enough in rent to chose to rent to section 8 rather than go market rate and thus be able to MAKE SOME MONEY to pay bills and taxes etc.

All of the conferences and all of the happy talk in the world isn't going to bring us jobs and wages that are truly sustaining.

All of the business in Provincetown are owned by individuals who can't pay $15.00 an hour or give benefits etc.

All some select men want to do is put the screws to property owners and restrictions etc etc etc as though that is going to miraculously create the affordable housing they desire.

IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. We are a tiny town at the end of the world.

We are an EXCLUSIVE SUMMER RESORT TOWN WITH AN AGAIN POPULATION.



"One Provincetown

We are not Townies or Washashores
We are not renters or homeowners
We are not very young, but not that old
We are not all mothers and fathers, but we are all children
We are not all rich or all poor
We are not residents or nonresidents
We are not seasonal workers returning year after year, working hard while living in marginal housing, but we are all guilty of letting our community ignore their struggles
We are passionate, concerned and capable people who can solve housing, economic and other challenges Together!"

8:27 am edt 

Re: New York Protects Little Mark Weinress

 

"Turn my hand here. Now move my hand upwards, then downwards and then slowly do this..."


Your obsession with Marks hand movements are as freaky as the dude with the puppet fetish.

1:48 am edt 

Community Vision Forum and Local Comprehensive Plan

 

Anyone?

I hope that a number of people write about yesterday's experience here on the face book page, Provincetown voice so we can have an idea of what took place, thank you for attending.

Real, sustainable community change requires the initiative and engagement of community members.

Helene D. Gayle

Wonder how much of actual 'community' was represented

1:45 am edt 

Sunday, March 20, 2016

Provincetown

 

Dog days are over!

10:26 pm edt 

Re: New York Protects Little Mark Weinress

 

Wait, Wait, Wait

Is there really, truly a masters in hand modeling? Really? and if there is a masters, is it from a legitimate university? Turn my hand here. Now move my hand upwards, then downwards and then slowly do this with apparent panache. Now I take your hand, then I move my hand across yours. Afterwards, I slightly turn my hand and take it away and the camera goes dark.

Really? Are we, hands in our lap, serious?

10:25 pm edt 

Re: New York Protects Little Mark Weinress

 

You Are right! Little Mark Weinress is Long gone

Horror to his failure; shame on his failed policies; embarassament on his head. This is how he himself sees his Planning Board actions.

So little Mark Weinress leaves. As well he should. It gives him relief and cover. Start over in a much larger place.

Little Mark weinress has found a home. And that is a good thing. Don't you think?

10:23 pm edt 

Provincetown

 

Is Pt a 3rd world country. Yes.

10:22 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

 

All these post are complete bs With the exception of the town planner there isn't one person I've talked to who would say they are happy with the current town manager. Not what I heard from the planner.. could be her post who knows the bs goes on...

10:19 pm edt 

New York Protects Little Mark Weinress

 

Oh, Yes, an investment for the wonder-boy with hands shining bright for advertisers

Turn, twist, move left, then right. He is invested but it is not investment. New York protects little Mark Weinress from more attacks on his incompetency and his disastrous actions at town meeting. Weinress was a failure and an embarrassment and he remains so in this town. New York is the new place to be where Weinress's past failures will not show up.

He has gone. He has left. He is here no more.

Not a bad thing at all!

7:36 pm edt 

A Rat In The Basement

 

If Jaren were a real man, he would take the $400, 000 he asked for and return the rest of the settlment money to the people of provincetown. But he wont because he has placed money above all of his moral charector.

A Rat In The Basement

I wish that damn dog would leave me alone.

7:12 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

 

"So our judgement of Pangore is how we, town residents, town people, see and judge him. We want him to be our advocate but tragically he is not---Pangore is the BOS advocate and that is not who we want at town hall. Pangore has gone to their side--over our town resident side."



Yeah, yeah, we know you...all you "Providence Part-Time Residents" people who want the goodies but want the locals to subsidize you so you don't have to pay your fair share...waaa, waaa, waaa........"

Why do you think that this is a full or part-time issue.

Fact is that the Town Manager does not represent the citizens/residents or the BOS the manager is hired by the BOS to manager the town's operations according to the by-laws and policies set down by the BOS and town meeting.

7:07 pm edt 

Richard Rogers - Provincetown Beacon
 
 
March 20 at 3:36pm
 
Tom Donegan is over on the voice saying they purchased to NYC pad as an investment..that's not what they told people when they purchased it...love all the usual fanboys liking his sneaky n     
3:41 pm edt 

Louise A Venden - BOS Candidate -Facebook
 

 March 18 at 9:08pm

 
This Town had struggled for at least 2 decades with the challenges of retaining modestly priced and affordable housing in the face of market forces. Just last Monday, Town Manager Panagore announced that a Housing Play Book had been developed that brought together all the previous studies and pointed to the next step-an up to date Housing Plan. Meanwhile, we have a choice to make at Town Meeting where 3 Warrants will be presented that propose direct actions to increase affordable and Community Housing. I have stated my opinion on the 48 Winslow/46 Bradford Warrant on Town Talk, and I will be posting my positions on the Inclusionary ByLaw and the Condominium Conversion Bylaw. They are both complicated, not easy to understand. I urge everyone to view videos of the Forums held to explain and answer questions about these Warrants. I will be stating my views soon because I believe leadership requires taking a stand. Yes, Selectmen must carefully consider information, concerns and then make a decision. Leadership requires being willing to do the hard work of considering the many implications of policies, learn as much as possible from staff, public hearings and other sources, then decide and explain their reasons. I will be honest, truthful and as clear as I can be in supporting my decisions, and people will be able to disagree, give me opposing views, and I will respect their positions
3:32 pm edt 

Re: Who Really Lives in Provincetown?

 

"I asked Tom for a typical weeks schedule as Chairman of the BOS. His response...."

 

Sorry Tommy but that Was Not a Typical Week

you have town meeting coming upon us and many a joint meeting. so of course you HAVE to be here.

Sorry Tommy, but let's see the week before and the week before that.

Tommy, you are most typically NOT here.

3:26 pm edt 

Vincent Currier-March 20, 2016- Posted in Provincetown Voters
 
 
 

"Just to clear the air, my husband Mark and I bought an apartment in NYC as an investment which I visit on some weekends. Once Mark finishes his classes we will rent it out.

Obviously I'm in Provincetown full time."

Tom Donegan, Chairman, Board of Selectmen

Editor's note:
I asked Tom for a typical weeks schedule as Chairman of the BOS. His response....

"My schedule last week was BoS Meeting on Monday. traffic hearing on Tuesday, Wednesday FinCom and Planning Board Joint Meeting. Thursday was COA Town Meeting Forum and lunch. Animal Welfare and State Official meeting on Foxes. Later Thursday was the Seashore Point Forum and Dinner. Saturday was the Long Term Plan Visioning Forum."

Not exactly a schedule that suggests living out of Town!

Vince Currier, Tom Donegan supporter and town voter 

1:38 pm edt 

Re: Who Really Lives in Provincetown?

 

Believe Donegan? Weinress is Out of Provincetown

He feels maligned. He feels he was treated unfairly and made a fool at town meeting. Well...

Weinress is bitter and is not coming back. Hand display. Hands turning and turning on camera. There's no work nor respect for him here. So it  makes sense that he has left town. and Donegan visits? Hardly. Donegan lives there.

Sure when the sun gets stronger and the town is hopping, Weinress will be here for the one month most second-homeowners are here. That is all.

1:12 pm edt 

Re: Who Really Lives in Provincetown?

 

If You File Taxes in Florida and claim Homestead in Florida

You can't vote here. Your residence is Florida and where you vote is Florida--plain and simple! You vote where you have your residence. I hope this person is not voting in Provincetown if his or her homestead is Florida and taxes filed are in Florida.

You can't be in two places at the same time!

1:09 pm edt 

From: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidateon Facebook

 

Just to clear the air, my husband Mark and I bought an apartment in NYC as an investment which I visit on some weekends. Once Mark finishes his classes we will rent it out.

Obviously I'm in Provincetown full time.

12:24 pm edt 

Posted in the Provincetown Beacon by Richard Rogers
 
March 20, 2016 

BREAKING NEWS ALERT

Mark, the Chairman of the Pt BOS's husband, resigned as the Pt rep to the CC Commission last December(2015) but never submitted a letter of resignation to his appointing authority. The CC Commission sent a letter to the Pt BOS asking to find a new Pt representative. an advertisement for a new representative was posted but without the BOS's knowledge. so mark resigned and his husband placed the ad in the paper without his colleagues knowledge. is Pt a 3rd world country? how can the chairman's husband resigned from such an important position and not notify the appointing authority? something very sneaky is evolving...

12:10 pm edt 

Who Really Lives in Provincetown?

Well, isn't it interesting that some people who say they live here and vote here just got their applications for the Resident Exemption denied by the town because, SURPRISE, they claim a homestead in Florida and file taxes there as Florida Residents. I understand a certain large business owner in town was one of those people. I'm glad people brought this up because the next question that might be interesting to Massachusetts is, so if you're voting in Provincetown, that means you owe out of state income here for everything you claimed in Florida plus fines and interest for not filing non-resident status. Stay tuned for another episode of "how to bite your own ass when you go after others".
11:17 am edt 

Re: With Gloria the Cinderella Dancer and Her Little Puppettes

 

 "So our judgement of Pangore is how we, town residents, town people, see and judge him. We want him to be our advocate but tragically he is not---Pangore is the BOS advocate and that is not who we want at town hall. Pangore has gone to their side--over our town resident side."

 

Yeah, yeah, we know you...all you "Providence Part-Time Residents" people who want the goodies bu want the locals to subsidize you so you don't have to pay your fair share...waaa, waaa, waaa........

11:12 am edt 

To: Erik Yingling - Vice Chair BOS

 

Mr. Vice Chair so we can see your comments and recommendations!!  Yes would love to to see, Yingling's, 'insight'.

10:42 am edt 

Broadway?

OK, so is there a town committee for entertainment? Because if there isn't, there should be. Broadway "stars"? Is this the dumping ground for geriatric, washed-up Broadway people? Who under the age of 70 knows who some of these people are? So each year there's like one person anyone would know? Or do they just come cheap (well they're at the        , so I guess I just answered my own question)? Maybe that's fitting since the town seems to have become aimed at the Seashore Point demographic and not a younger set anyhow. Thanks for hastening the change into a retirement village. What's next there, dinner theater?
10:40 am edt 

The Need For Seasonal Housing

 

So many silly comments on this blog, especially when it comes to property rights and "affordable housing". No one ever seems to want to address the need for seasonal housing. Every comment and bylaw change is geared towards year-round housing. Do not sell the Community center or trade it. Do not develop the VFW. Use them for summer employee housing, dormitory style. Get interested business to foot the bill for renovations.

10:37 am edt 

Re:Town Manager Report Card

 

".  .  .because I work for the town and the staff members, in an almost unanimous way, are happy with the current town manager. Sorry to burst your bubble. But it makes me wonder who makes this stuff up."


Your post is complete BS.  With the exception of the town planner there isn't one person I've talked to who would say they are happy with the current town manager.  They don't have to be happy with him, they just have to do their jobs, or find another one and leave.  He's different, sometimes different is good, sometimes it's not.  Too early to tell.

10:33 am edt 

Saturday's Planning Meeting

 

I hope that a number of people write about yesterday's experience here on the face book page, Provincetown voice so we can have an idea of what took place, thank you for attending.

10:30 am edt 

Re: Where Are the Executive Session Records? Posted by Kim Hurd on Facebook


I think it's interesting that Ms. Hurd is posting details of her boyfriends legal matters. My understanding is once the private party decides to discuss the matter in public or decides to release the materials to the public, there is no reason for the town to withhold the minutes anymore. The deal is over, he's done with the town and now details are being revealed and are damaging to the town done to the town by the town. For more details, I would ask Ms. Hurd to continue to reveal what she can considering she or he have nothing to lose and let the selectmen, in this season of elections, twist on it.

Or they can do the right thing and reveal the minutes and allow some sunshine to be cast on a dark and gloomy episode.

Openness and honesty is what the voters want.
10:28 am edt 

Saturday, March 19, 2016

BOS Minutes

Please release all the executive session minute RE: Jeff Jaran prior to the election, it is the right thing to do!!
The settlement is done, it is over let's be transparent Mr. Vice Chair so we can see your comments and recommendations!!
11:16 pm edt 

Donegan vs Cruz

 

There is a connection Between Thomas Donegan and Theodore Cruz

They are linked in personality, aggression, and nastiness. Look at both faces. Oh, boy, do you see it? they were connected at birth and then separated. See one. See the other.

9:14 pm edt 

Re: With Gloria the Cinderella Dancer and Her Little Puppettes

 

Sorry but Your Logic is Inadequate

How people view David Pangore is not only judged by who works for the town. Great that you do but...you are but a vote. How he is viewed involves all of us and then his judgement is less than good. Why? He is a talented man who has gone to the dark side--meaning he is agreeing to what they want--the ill-driven Donegans, the nutty Yinglins, the back-and forth Richters. He will do, sadly, whatever they want him to do.

So our judgement of Pangore is how we, town residents, town people, see and judge him. We want him to be our advocate but tragically he is not---Pangore is the BOS advocate and that is not who we want at town hall. Pangore has gone to their side--over our town resident side.

He is not worth much to any of us who love this town and want fairness, transparency, openness. Panagore has given up his humanity and his bright mind for the lowest common denominator--how Yingling thinks!! Isn't that scary?

9:10 pm edt 

Re: With Gloria the Cinderella Dancer and Her Little Puppettes

Here we go with the puppet meme again. We had enough of your posts a few years ago when you yammered on about the Sharon and her cabal of marionettes. Please spare us the view into your hollow howdy doody mind...we have to live in this town...and you live among us. Frightening.
9:03 pm edt 

Condo Conversion Bylaw

Is it true that the BOS did not even vote to recommend their own bylaw and that its referred to as the Yingling bylaw?  Yingling is pushing this flawed bylaw and can't even convince his fellow Selectmen to support it?

I move to indefinitely postpone
8:58 pm edt 

Where Are the Executive Session Records?

 

Are executive session minutes being withheld for political purposes?  The Jaran case is settled and done, no reason they should be withheld.

8:56 pm edt 

Re:Town Manager Report Card

"I made a comment to a town staffer that their boss got a glowing review from the Selectmen the other night.  Their response 'what do you think they are going to say?"

How about I say this. I am a staff member and the only people possibly saying that are the people NOT doing their job. But don't worry, they'll be gone soon and they'll join the other bad apples we just got rid of after Sharon left. Now I know most of what's posted here is made-up because I work for the town and the staff members, in an almost unanimous way, are happy with the current town manager. Sorry to burst your bubble. But it makes me wonder who makes this stuff up.
8:54 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

SECTION 8 SHAFTS LANDLORDS

The commonwealth of Massachusetts spends seven million dollars a month housing people in motels.

MEANWHILE LANDLORDS GET THE SHAFT WHO RENT SECTION 8.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM:CHEAP SECTION 8 RENTS. By rights, affordable housing should be spread in neighborhoods RATHER than being segregated in housing compounds.

Any landlord who takes a section 8 person can only charge $950.00 for a one bedroom apartment if they include the heat.

Meanwhile, the state pays motel owners a fortune.

If landlords in this town could get the going market rent for a section 8 apartment you would find this housing all over town.

8:52 pm edt 

Today is Fantasy Land

 

Puppets Poster:

You have a mean streak wider than your back side.

8:48 pm edt 

8:47 pm edt 

Re: David Panagore - Town Manager

 

It's a new town manager, there are sure to be staff folks who have difficulty adjusting.  I have heard the front he presents to the public is very different on how he treats staff.  There will be more people who leave, it's what happens when a new person comes in.  Unfortunately when people leave it's often the good ones who go, the mediocre ones can't find other jobs

8:45 pm edt 

The Price For Freedom?

 

"What is the going rate for ridding a town of a power hungry tyrannical  police chief? I would suggest half a mil is a bargain compared to the loss of business and potential image ruination of a supposedly inclusive place. Thus kudos to the selectmen who presided over the exorcism."


Mashpee recently chose to pay $425,000 to part immediately with its Superintendent of Schools.  This after a lengthy court case, in which the Superintendent was found not guilty.  However, as the result of the investigation, things were uncovered about him that were too damaging.  $425,000 was a bargain.

Jaran was a sick puppy.  

10:40 am edt 

Re: Question the Shortage of Rental Housing

I find it quite amazing that anyone who regularly reads the newspaper, MYPACC, Provincetown Beacon or any other media in Provincetown would question the shortage of rentals in Provincetown.  They cite as their reasoning two people who lost their housing and then found apartments shortly thereafter.   Good for them, but that is not usually the case.  They also mention those who have unrealistic expectations trying to find a place and/or people with a history of negative involvement with their landlords. 

I can name at least 25 friends (year-rounders) in the past 3 years who have lost their apartments and ended up moving from Provincetown.  Many lived here for 10+ years; some were Provincetown natives, born and raised who have lived here their entire lives.  I myself received notice 29+ months ago that my rental was being put on the market (where it still sits, empty) and that I needed to start looking.  I wasn't looking for "affordable" housing as my pension allows me to pay a little more without suffering financial consequences.  It took me 7 months of searching daily for a place before I was able to find my current unit.  I wasn't looking for an impossible setup, always pay rent ahead of time, don't have pets and am employed most of the year.  I've never been evicted or had a living situation that ended badly (well, the one I refer to above ended up with landlords who refused to return security because they never deposited it into Seamen's as the law/lease required...but t!
hat's another story).  I was actually told on Memorial Day Weekend 2014 that I had 37 days to find a place.  I could have moved into places that were absolutely disgusting by anyone's standards or paid exorbitant rent, but I did pass on those because no-one should have to live in filth or be overcharged just because.  I was lucky when the Banner featured me in an article about the lack of housing that same week which brought my plight to the attention of a friend, who "knew somebody" who had an available unit.  I was days away from moving back to my hometown in NY when I found this place.

Fortunately, my story had a happy ending.  My FB page: PTOWN RESIDENTS SEEKING YEAR ROUND HOUSING, tells quite a different one.  At any given time, there are 20-30 people who currently live in town who are searching for a place to live.  They have been given deadlines and there is nothing they can do but leave unless they are lucky enough to find a place that they can afford or one that meets their needs.  My page has helped match landlords and tenants roughly 10 times in the past 2 years, when the page was created after my seven month ordeal.  In many cases, I know the individuals who are searching and they are not the problem-oriented people that are referred to in the previous post.

Every week, I check the Banner, Craig's List and walk through town looking for signs of a vacancy, hoping I can find a place to help someone out.  Every time an ad for a year round place is published, the owner is inundated with responses.  Word of mouth is also extremely helpful, as in my situation.  The new apartments at Stable Path will help some, but will not alleviate the problem.  I have friends who have been chosen in the lottery, but may not be able to afford the units.

In the end, I guess I can understand why people who are not exposed to the reality of this crisis on a daily basis might question the validity of the problem, but, believe me, it is very real.
10:39 am edt 

Today is Fantasy Land

With Gloria the Cinderella Dancer and her little puppettes--and that includes the chunky one among them--it will only be a reconfirmation of what she thinks must be, and thus will be. she lives a fantasy life yet sadly believes that what is in her head is real. Tragically it is not.

Nothing much will come out of this Saturday Fantasy Land Circus. Go, sit, eat lunch. Nothing more will occur. the woman in on the trapeze--she was a ballerina--will fly through the air and much air will run through town hall. but other than that--nada!
10:36 am edt 

BOS & Panagore

 

Their response 'what do you think they are going to say?  That they made a mistake and he's not doing his job?  They sure didn't ask us our opinion', because they aren't really interested in it"


Especially after the first attempt to hire a town manager and yeah an ego driven BOS doesn't care about staff's opinion. I know a few town employees not happy with Panagore. Sad to see history repeating itself and diminishing hope for Provincetown.

10:34 am edt 

Posted by Kim Hurd on Facebook

LMAO - spoken like a real selectman! Town didn't want him, then he didn't want to be there. He (Jaran) made an offer for HALF of what he was awarded, but Donegan and Yingling are on the record wanting no part of any settlement. Funny story, but when negotiating the settlement after he won his arbitration, Jeff's atty joked about the section where he had to relinquish any future lawsuits against the town. He joked that he wanted to leave Donegan and Yingling out of that particular protection, and town council's response was that they were the FIRST TWO people that should be on that list! LOL

No wonder Donegan and Yingling want to keep the executive session minutes a secret.  And no wonder Donegan wants to keep this hidden prior to the election.
10:32 am edt 

Land Swap Article

I'm not sure if it's a good idea, but it bugs me that it's based on a highly suspect appraisal that our town manager and selectmen are willing to accept.  What does that say about their integrity?

An empty unsold house on the Winslow farms property has gone up in value from $800k to $950k while an empty building on the Comm center property has gone significantly [down] in value.  But we look the other way on the appraisal which is being used to scam the IRS for a big tax deduction.

We're all ok with that?
10:30 am edt 

Summer Renters: the Reality


"Now there will be nothing but peace this summer."


Until your renters roll up in their BMW 45 minutes to midnight, music blaring, groceries from Whole Foods to unpack...oh, and they forgot to tell you about little Snicky poo, the pup that never stops barking. You'll get back to sleep around 2pm...if they don't head to the bars and bring back a party.

"The garden to enjoy, to lounge in, to savor the view, smell the flowers and look at the verdant greenery."


Until the tenants pick a few flowers for their table, (they're sorry, they just wanted a few, surely you don't mind since you're charging an arm and leg for the place. By the way, can the shower head be changed? Thanks. Oh, and the dog will only be here for one weekend. Don't worry.

"Reading under the shaded trellis, sipping a cocktail as the day draws to a close, listening to the birds"


Time for early tea! The bass rattles your windows, but the summer tenants will be going to tea soon so...oh my! Guests are coming over instead! That's alright, it will only last until they go to the A House. Oh, the A House is at your renters place tonight? Oh my!

And you're just praying for Sunday, when you think all will quiet down. Except it doesn't.

10:25 am edt 

To: Cheryl Andrews - BOS Candidate

 

Cheryl, the fact is, people are finally calling you on your b.s.  You sit there at every meeting like you're on a throne and pontificate in your condescending way, treating your colleagues and constituents like garbage.  You belittle people on other boards.  People don't like that, and they see right through you, and see you for what you really are.  I never thought I would be saying this, but I think I trust Richter, of all people, more than I trust you. Don't worry, though, the worst Selectman, when he can be bothered to show up, is still that mental giant Yingling.

10:16 am edt 

Cheryl Andrews - BOS Candidate

So cher cher voted against the inclusionary housing bylaw?  yah, she has your back, alright.  people, when are y

ou gonna learn, the only back she (or any current selectman, for that matter) has is her own.  she whines about her poor employee having to drive a long distance to get to work.  yet does she pay a living wage so the poor schmuck might be able  to live in town;  no...she (like cuz and cuz) wants the taxpayers to foot the bill for employee housing.  you think you're gonna "win" the lottery for housing in this town, think again.  you're not on the list.

10:15 am edt 

Friday, March 18, 2016

Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

But he is a second-home owner

and a person whose life now is in New York--not here. for Donegan, Provincetown is the place he drives to to attend BOS meetings, not where he lives, dines and meets friends.

he has changed his life and we should change our votes of the past. he is not the same person he once was. I say, let him run for some position in New York.

3:47 pm edt 

Town Manager Report Card

 

I made a comment to a town staffer that their boss got a glowing review from the Selectmen the other night.  Their response 'what do you think they are going to say?  That they made a mistake and he's not doing his job?  They sure didn't ask us our opinion', because they aren't really interested in it"

3:40 pm edt 

Re: Get Ready Provinetown


" It is illegal now under that program [H-1B visa] to use it to replace American workers. "


Ummm hate to be the one to break this to you, but the people who work here for the summer are J1 visa holders. H-1B's are most commonly used in the tech industry. Google, btw, is a wonderful way to keep from embarrassing yourself.

3:39 pm edt 

Cheryl Andrews - BOS Candidates

"... Cheryl Andrews, you can spin your comments about running for reelection any way you want. I have voted for you every time that you ran in the past, not this time. Enough, time for someone else to be given a chance."

You have that right.  Enough is enough.  We thought this was going to be a two year stint.  Ms. Andrews, thank you for your service, but enough is enough.  Focus on your practice and let someone new come in to clean up the mess you made of this town.  Happy trails!!!
3:37 pm edt 

3 Greatest Lies

1. The check is in the mail.

2. If you like your doctor--you can keep your doctor.

3. Affordable housing is good for the town.
3:36 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Affordable Housing = Section 8

No wonder Jaran wanted a bigger police station with more jail cells!
3:35 pm edt 

Poor Provincetown......


It's been 10 years since we left town and I see nothing has changed.
The spoiled,the poor ,the wealthy still  fighting it out with no
Solutions in sight .


Such a beautiful spot, sad.

1:09 pm edt 

Tomorrow We Pave the Way to the Future

So folk. tomorrow is the day that folks pave the way to the future.

I guess that opening the school again when the cape is losing families is going to be on the wish list.

Building affordable housing--forgetting how much HAS BEEN BUILT and where the new Province Landing will go.

Changing the streets will be on the agenda.

It will be a wish list of grand dimensions and the spinning of a vast, wonderland where folks can work part time and have a lavish life style of travel and dining out and cars and dogs and a view of the water from their penthouse apartment--all inclusive and working only the summer season.

Read the Banner Newspaper next week and get the whole story of what these folks envision.

Go back ten years and read the other one and see what dreams have come true since then. That would be a good way to open this conference.

All it takes is for a gay Bill Gates to come to town and open up his bank account..then all of these dreams would come true.

However, expecting town meeting to fund this is a real pipe dream because this conference will go on a shelf like all of the others and it will be a glowing memory to talk--of nothing but talk..

9:45 am edt 

Time to Get Personal

It is just so sad to live here and see people who claim that they want to accomplish this or that..and then go back to smoking their weed and it all comes to naught.

I also know people who do smoke and do accomplish things..but then I imagine HOW MUCH MORE they would accomplish if they weren't dragged down by their habbit.

The same with drinking. Living in a relationship based on love, support and growth takes commitment and I've seen them disintegrate into something that is just getting along or going through the motions due to imbibing drugs like alcohol and smoking etc.

I've seen fortunes go up some people's noses. And they are now no longer on this earth or their lives are shadows of a life.

Facing the truth about people and seeing the truth isn't being judgmental..it is seeing decades of just getting by and hearing about dreams never realized.

The fact is that there will be people coming back to town who left in the fall saying if I come back to this or that job, then I'm going to kill myself..and yet they return for yet another year adding on to what they said ten years ago.

They refuse to look in a mirror; to see what they have really done with their lives.

There are some people with truly stunted lives now and they don't see it.

The sad fact is that everyone else who knows them sees it. I will see them, have a big, hearty hello..and then at the end of the summer hear the lament again..and again next year just as in all of these past years.
9:35 am edt 

Re: H-1B Visa

And this is bad.....because?
9:33 am edt 

The Lazy Days of Summer

The Realtor has rented out the other apartment that we own for the summer, so that is no longer a concern. The garden has been picked up, all of the brush from last year cleared away and the crocuses are up and in bloom.

The drama from last summer with the police here (three times one day) due to the year-round tenants domestic issues with each other, is all over.

Now there will be nothing but peace this summer. The garden to enjoy, to lounge in, to savor the view, smell the flowers and look at the verdant greenery

Reading under the shaded trellis, sipping a cocktail as the day draws to a close, listening to the birds--the amazing number of birds will be a pleasure.

And that is just the garden, there is the beach, Beech forest, the dunes, the sailing and the sunsets. All within reach with the calmness of days and the poetry of the night and the quiet times of life that make living something to be savored.
9:31 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Library

WHO is the human foghorn at the library who thinks everyone in the world wants to here her expressing her opinions SO LOUDLY everywhere.

Agreed - I went in there recently to the front desk to ask where I might find some material on a certain subject.  I whispered, which is customary in a library (not to mention I wanted to keep my business private).  The 3 of them behind the desk were talking so loudly back to me that everyone in the library could hear my business - it was a terrible experience.

Librarians please LOWER your voices - your clients deserve to discuss their business in PRIVATE.
9:29 am edt 

Question the Shortage of Rental Housing

I question what the real issue is with rental housing.  I know of two people who each lost their apartment for different reasons.  Both, quickly foind another apartment.

I know of renters who are looking for a two bedroom for $1,000 a month, utilities included.  No wonder they can't find an apartment.

I also know of another person who has sued every landlord she's had.  Do you think it might be the renter who is the problem?

There are a number of renters to whom landlords won't rent because of their history.  That doesn't mean there is a shortage of housing.
9:20 am edt 

Re: People Who Rent

 

"Do you see the anger and hostility in some people who are renters here? They attack and snarl and don't respond intelligently to the facts.

Who wants a tenant like this? The town is full of people who have housing lawyers on their speed dial so that they can start complaining over any little thing."
 

 

Generalizations, generalizations...I am not a renter, and I have one smaller dog...however, I can testify that the only person who ever got screwed on a rental was ME.  People like you are a dime a dozen -- you want to grab all the money, not do your due diligence as landlords, not show respect to tenants with legitimate complaints, and then get pissed when they move and don't scrub from stem to stern.  My dogs have ALL been housebroken, and better-mannered than people like you.  Yeah, there are a few bad apples, but most of us with dogs are the best tenants -- we devote time and care to our animals, don't have a lot of loud parties (the noise freaks out their dogs), and are at home and in bed by 11 pm after the dog's last walk.  Do your homework, stop renting to irresponsible 20-somethings, and quit complaining  -- after all, you rake in bundles in rent, and AREN'T paying taxes on the income, like the B&Bs.....


1:38 am edt 

Kudos to the Selectmen

 

What is the going rate for ridding a town of a power hungry tyrannical  police chief? I would suggest half a mil is a bargain compared to the loss of business and potential image ruination of a supposedly inclusive place. Thus kudos to the selectmen who presided over the exorcism. I'd like to see the results of a urinalysis of this guy at the time. 

1:33 am edt 

Vote em Up or Vote em Down

 

The votes will decide at the election, plain and simple, who is in and who is out.

1:32 am edt 

BOS Executive Session Minutes:

Now that the Jaran settlement is done and over with , I think we as taxpayers are entitled to review all the minutes from Day 1# as to what was discussed and transpired. There has been much discourse back and forth, let's be transparent and let those of us who paid the bill know what was discussed and by whom. It seems to me that I recall one selectmen stated "over my dead body will I settle with Jeff". The taxpayers need to read all the minutes Please!!
1:30 am edt 

Thursday, March 17, 2016

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

"Really, Tom Donegan is a target of nasty political posts."

How selectively you read this blog. Have you missed the witch burning of female employees, past and current? Those post rarely contain facts or politics- just mean and personal. Poor Sneering Tom.

Also, just because you volunteer doesn't mean you are a good volunteer.

10:09 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

Fortunately the voters who put Tom Donegan into office will continue to have his back. He has done everything humanly possible to keep the town going while so many tried to take it over and sell it out. He was not responsible for the contract Jaran and Lynn signed, two old police buddies before they came and tried to take over the town. Whoever is posting the nasty Donegan posts (same person) has some kind of personal vendetta. Same person trying to make Tom look like he is a "second homeowner", which makes no difference other than he is a voter and full-time resident here and like many Provincetown people owns vacation or investment property elsewhere.He literally puts in full time hours at town hall, serving for free. Tom Donegan is an excellent Selectman, and Chairman of the Board, and if anyone has anything legitimate to say and not desperate attempts at rumors, please vote for Tom Donegan, he actually cares about our town.

8:36 pm edt 

Provincetown Library

 

WHO is the human foghorn at the library who thinks everyone in the world wants to here her expressing her opinions SO LOUDLY everywhere.

!!!!!!!

8:32 pm edt 

St Patricks Day

 

Happy St Patricks day to all!

8:30 pm edt 

Re: People Who Rent

 

Do you see the anger and hostility in some people who are renters here? They attack and snarl and don't respond intelligently to the facts.

Who wants a tenant like this? The town is full of people who have housing lawyers on their speed dial so that they can start complaining over any little thing.

The fact is that a homeowner's insurance goes up if there is a big dog..if there are two!!!!

There are wonderful dog owners, but there are others who have full grown dogs that aren't even house broken. They do terrible damage to apartments.

Yes there are obviously landlords who will rent to people with dogs and they went and saw the dog where it was living and how the place smelled and how the apartment looked and what the previous landlord said about the dog.

However, for someone to come into town looking for a rental apartment for themselves and their two dogs when there is a line of people looking for housing means that they haven't done their homework regarding the housing situation here.

8:29 pm edt 

Re: Wake Up Call Needed For Renters

 


"How in the world do you expect to find a place to rent when you are looking for a place for you and your two dogs. Do you realize that a homeowner has increased insurance if they have two big dogs?

Dogs are a liability. This past year a dog attacked a post man because dogs are territorial and anyone coming into their domain is seen as a threat. Dogs attack.

How often does one hear, but my dog has never done that before?

That is why we are renting summers only and would rather keep the apartment pristine and unused all winter so that it can be shown to prospective summer folks and also so that we don't have to lift a finger except to dust it once summer rolls around again."
 

 

So what you're saying is that renters being forced to pay hideously ridiculous rents have NO rights to own a dog???  Who the hell do you think you are?  Based on behavior of people like you, many people would insist of having the unconditional love of a dog!!  Also, if you're too effing lazy to only dust before each summer, I wouldn't rent your over-priced s***hole anyway, cuz you're nothing but a slumlord.  Been there, done that in this town, and no way will we spend our hard-earned dollars in pockets like yours.

11:54 am edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

For More on the tom Donegan cost to the town Dealing with Jeff Jaran

see today's Cape Cod times article. It is focused on keeping executive meeting minutes unreleased but the focus I the Jeff Jaran deal that we tax payers footed but have not been privy to the details. It is the Donegan Deal but the minutes have not been released.

11:50 am edt 

Re: Tom Donegan, Cheryl Andrews - BOS Candidates

 

Really, Tom Donegan is a target of nasty political posts. The guy is a volunteer, period. If you don't like him don't vote for him. Cheryl Andrews, you can spin your comments about running for reelection any way you want. I have voted for you every time that you ran in the past, not this time. Enough, time for someone else to be given a chance.

11:49 am edt 

H-1B Visa

 

GET READY PROVINCETOWN

It is illegal now under that program [H-1B visa] to use it to replace American workers. Under that program, you have to prove not only that youre not replacing Americans, but that youve tried to hire Americans. And if a company is caught abusing that process, they should never be allowed to use it again. Sen. Marco Rubio, Republican debate on CNN, March 10, 2016

So if an American citizen goes to a restaurant and asks to be a waiter and there are H-1B students working there..The owner has to hire the American and fire the students?

What about other workers in town?

11:47 am edt 

Wednesday, March 16, 2016

Re: How did Donegan and Yingling cost the town that money?

                                         
"I'll tell you how. Donegan made the whole ridiculous Squealing Pig/Jaran incident into a major part of his campaign to get elected." 

 

Tom Donegan:

Tom Donegan ran for BOS when yes-there were issues with the Police - namely Jaran. Jaran had a iron clad contract thanks to our former town manager Sharon L. However, Tom ran with this platform. He pulled many people into his "web". Tom Donegan is NOT a smart man. He does NOT deserve to be the BOS chair. He has NO vision other than affordable housing- (what a crock of BS) he just purchased a second home for $750,000.00.) He touts himself as the "robinhood for all those underpriveleged "  Yet he is the "priveleged". He and his husband Mark. People- wake up!! Look at his record. Get to town hall and vote this man out of office. He is there for one reason and one reason only. HIs EGO.

10:36 pm edt 

Re: Cheryl Andrews- For the Record

 

So, with full-humility, and knowing the serious decision I am making today...."

Cheryl..."full-humility"? 

Clearly, darling, the sweetest sound to you is your own voice, considering how much you drone on and on at the meetings (you're worse than anderson).  No one is going to believe that you're humble, so you might as well give it a rest.    You bully, berate, and bulldoze over anyone that has an opinion that might differ from yours.   From where the public stands, you, along with Ding-dong and his Cuz are the most self-serving BOS in decades.  Between the three of you, you've done nothing but take care of yourselves (and all of ding-dong's business-owning brethren).  In the years  you three have  been on the BOS you've accomplished one thing,  you've kept  taxes low on the businesses in town.  And please don't mention all the "low income housing" that you keep pushing on the town;  we all know most of that has gone to employees of Dingy's family.  That way, they can continue to pay slave wages while the tax payers foot the bill for their hou!
sing.  I had such high hopes for you.  Now you just make me sick.

10:32 pm edt 

Cheryl Andrews- For the Record


You're misrepresenting my press release, again?

This is what my press release of January 15, 2014 said:

"....I have spoken with many townspeople and have heard a consistent message:
voters want  change but are reluctant  to  sign a recall petition without knowing who would be a candidate for the 2-year seat.
This makes complete sense to me.
Now, I know what I need to do.
So, with full-humility, and knowing the serious decision I am making today,
I am announcing that if this recall effort is successful, I will be a candidate for
the 2-year seat on the Board of Selectmen in the next election. Further,
I will not run for a 3-year seat in May 2014. "


I didn't want to run against Elaine. I did not want to run for David's seat either. I pulled papers for Austin's seat. Just as I said I would.

Signed, Cheryl Andrews

9:05 pm edt 

Re: How did Donegan and Yingling cost the town that money?

I'll tell you how. Donegan made the whole ridiculous Squealing Pig/Jaran incident into a major part of his campaign to get elected. He was telling people that the police were following and harassing him. He got Ann Wood on his team and we heard nothing but anti police rhetoric for months from him and in the Banner. He tried to turn himself into a folk hero by bringing down the chief of police. He worked the town into an angry, pitchfork wielding mob who wanted "justice" and Yingling gladly jumped on the bandwagon. The town gladly got behind these two clowns in their effort to "F" the police and get themselves elected.

The rest, as they say, is history. Very, very expensive history. And we all get to pay for it.
9:03 pm edt 

Suggestion

 

Do we have to see Mr. Siegal's political stance pinned to the top? Can't it be put into the que like all the rest of our opinions and posts? It's all baloney and no one cares!

5:43 pm edt 

To: Cheryl Andrews - BOS Candidate

 

Cheryl, my dear, you pledged, PROMISED, that if we elected you to the BOS you would only finish out the term of the disgraced former chair. We believed you, so we voted you in.  Now that your term is up you decide that you're going to run for reelection?   You deceived us, Cheryl.  Your lie has proved that you're dishonest and cannot be trusted. You have lost your last shred of credibility.

5:16 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

Sorry Tom,

It's time to move on, the gritty reality of politics in Provincetown does not suit you and you should not be trying to "close the barn door" on affordable housing...that train has left the station.

As you are now a second home owner your credibility is shot, no one saw you on Commercial Street in February!  You parachute in, try to tell us how to run things then leave.

Not a good strategy!

3:38 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

Donegan has been a "staffer" for his working career.  He has no idea about being an executive.  He panders and placates.  He is not a global thinker and worries too much about getting elected.  The BOS is his hobby where he can have his ego stroked.  He reacts to events rather than understanding them and influencing them.  He is no longer a real resident and cannot possibly serve us well. 

12:40 pm edt 

Wake Up Call Needed For Renters

How in the world do you expect to find a place to rent when you are looking for a place for you and your two dogs. Do you realize that a homeowner has increased insurance if they have two big dogs?

Dogs are a liability. This past year a dog attacked a post man because dogs are territorial and anyone coming into their domain is seen as a threat. Dogs attack.

How often does one hear, but my dog has never done that before?

That is why we are renting summers only and would rather keep the apartment pristine and unused all winter so that it can be shown to prospective summer folks and also so that we don't have to lift a finger except to dust it once summer rolls around again.
12:29 pm edt 

Tuesday, March 15, 2016

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

"You really shouldn't try to speak for others unless you know directly from the writer what they were thinking.  I have written against Donegan's re-election because I don't think he deserves re-election.  The BOS has been spinning their wheels for a number of years during Donegan's chairmanship." 

Yes exactly- thank you. Donegan is an arrogant and inept leader and his pal peewee, writing of 'truthiness'... priceless.

11:06 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate


"The BOS has been spinning their wheels for a number of years during Donegan's chairmanship.  I don't have much of an opinion on Jaran/Lynn and their departures don't affect my opinion of his work other than Donegan and Yingling cost the town a half million dollars by their unprofessional behavior."

Oh where to go with this? First, Donegan has only been Chairman for this term. If you remember correctly it was Knight and then Elaine during his first term. So what does "a number of years" mean? How did Donegan and Yingling cost the town that money? Again, if you want the truth, Anderson led the charge to not settle that matter. And the town was going to be on the hook not because of two selectmen, but because of a Town Manager that approved a horrible contract that left the town exposed, even after town counsel told her the problems. What has been accomplished? We have a resident exemption. We have a new, and very competent, town manager. We don't have large disagreements and personal attacks in town government any longer. We still have low taxes, ongoing town repairs and infrastructure improvements, and the selectmen trying different approaches to doing something to correct housing imbalances. You may disagree with what they've put out there (I do) but at least they're j!
ust not shrugging their collective shoulders. So get it all correct if you're going to criticize.
11:04 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate
 
"Those people who are trying to demean the candidacy of Tom Donegan are a few organized individuals left over from the Jaran/Lynn era of bad times for Provincetown."


You really shouldn't try to speak for others unless you know directly from the writer what they were thinking.  I have written against Donegan's re-election because I don't think he deserves re-election.  The BOS has been spinning their wheels for a number of years during Donegan's chairmanship.  I don't have much of an opinion on Jaran/Lynn and their departures don't affect my opinion of his work other than Donegan and Yingling cost the town a half million dollars by their unprofessional behavior.
8:38 pm edt 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

"Those people who are trying to demean the candidacy of Tom Donegan are a few organized individuals left over from the Jaran/Lynn era of bad times for Provincetown."

So a second pro-Donegan post without a single accomplishment listed.  I ask again: please enumerate specifics of what he has accomplished for the town. 

I am not a "left over Jaran" supporter.  I would like to know what Mr. Donegan has done for the town (beyond the hours spent and generalities about his success in other past endeavors) to justify getting re-elected.

7:18 pm edt 

Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

Those people who are trying to demean the candidacy of Tom Donegan are a few organized individuals left over from the Jaran/Lynn era of bad times for Provincetown.

Mr Donegan has worked hard to bring this town back together after what were very trying times. He was a victim of those times and not a politician yet. His interests lie in helping the community of people who live and work here, and the businesses that provide employment.

He is studious and has learned the history of town and spends lots of time talking to all different people and hearing their ideas and opinions.

He is himself very successful in both business and volunteerism wherever his life has taken him.

It is important to keep Tom on this current Board as he has Chaired the Board thru some very crucial decisions and discussions and we are moving forward with many of those efforts.

It is important to keep this expertise on the BOS for another term!
I believe the people writing the lies and accusations about Mr. Donegan are not locals or voters here, for those of us who care about our communities future will be in line voting for Tom Donegan for re-election for another term on the Board of Selectmen!

5:38 pm edt 

Cheryl Andrews - BOS Candidate

 

I actually watched tonights BOS meeting when Cheryl A. actually voted against a hard working restaurant owner who came in with big support from the community. Because, again, she wanted to teach the bad boys on the board how to conduct a meeting. We have never seen so much abstaining from votes and shirking the responsibility of making a damn decision! Stop trying to teach lessons, Dr. Andrews, and make some dog gone decisions.

9:58 am edt 

Voluntarism

 

I sure as hell don't agree with the Hatch kids (Kristin and Mark), nor do I always agree with Tom Donegan, but to discredit the hundreds and thousands of hours of their free time to make this a better place to live is hard to demean. Each one of these people is sincere in what they do. Anyone who has ever volunteered on small town boards knows. Thank you each for your service.

9:56 am edt 

Monday, March 14, 2016

From: Wayne Martin - Provincertown Beacon

 

Here is something else that I would like to share with the group. It has been brought to my attention there has been discussions at the town hall that if the sale goes through or should I say land swap and we acquire the Winslow Street property that the existing house which by the Selectmen's own admission is worth almost $1 million is going to be offered to the town manager. If this is true he should not be involved in any of the talks or the ongoing negotiations involving the swap because it would be a direct conflict of interest.

10:42 pm edt 

Re: Full Time vs Part Time


"Is this Provincetown's version of birtherism?"



Nice try turning it into a native vs. part timer issue.

The point being made was that you don't live here year round and therefore really don't know hands on what happens in this town on a year round basis. Business owners that live out of town are quite a different issue versus a person that makes decisions for the town and it's future.

You must have been pretty good at dodgeball as a kid huh?

10:02 pm edt 

Tom Donegan - Do as I Say Do!

 

"ANYONE who has worked with Tom Donegan knows that he listens and acts in the best interests of the majority of stakeholders and community! Why else would he put his reputation and character on the line every day for the past -10 years of volunteering his time and energy to Provincetown?"

Simple: he is an egomaniac that is totally sure that he is always right.  He has no idea what the majority of people want.  He knows what He says they SHOULD want.

9:58 pm edt 

Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

Donegan's legacy will be the hundreds of thousands of dollars he cost this town in his personal war with Jaran. He stirred this town into an anti-police frenzy culminating in Jaran's firing, but it all backfired and the town will be paying for it for years to come. This was all done to stroke his own ego and to get himself elected. Years from now people will look back in embarrassment at that sad chapter in Provincetown's history and say "WHAT were we thinking??"

Do NOT re-elect this man.

9:56 pm edt 

Re: Full Time vs Part Time



"We now have a number of folks with questionable residential status in certain government positions. Donegan's partner lives in NYC and he spends every weekend there.
Kristin Hatch lives and goes to school in Boston.
Mark Hatch lives part-time in town."



Many people's partners work and spend time elsewhere, even people who work at Town Hall or serve on committees. People also spend time in FL in their homes in the winter, yet run businesses in town and provide lots of jobs and feed the local economy. Kristin is in school for an MSW. I didn't know you could do that in Provincetown. Where you live for the purpose of being a student is temporary by nature.  I just purchased a full-time, year-round business in town and my residency was settled when I got appointed to the Finance Committee (strangely it wasn't questioned until that happened) by a unanimous vote. I also just purchased another residence last year. Is this Provincetown's version of birtherism? Saying someone really doesn't live in town? There are no questions about residency, they've all been settled when some people decided to go after me. So the birtherism is funny, but it's not a substitute for actually contributing to the town instead of posting on an anonymous blog.

Mark Hatch

6:47 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting

 

Will the BOS blow smoke up DP tonight during his review or do they make honest comments of his shortcomings?

Will Donegan visit from NYC to chair the meeting?

6:44 pm edt 

Re; From: Wayne Martin
 

"Is someone trying to tell me that gallonage from affordable housing doesn't count"


You may find the answer under zoning and the growth bylaw adopted years ago.
6:41 pm edt 

To: Erik Yingling

 

Please Erik Yingking, do not try and stop conversations about the current BOS election with these silly posts on fb. You continue to push a housing agenda that most of the town is sick of hearing about. I do not like town meetings, they are too long. However this year I will make an exception in order to help defeat your article. We said no once. hear we go again. You are really becoming a pain in the ass.

11:29 am edt 

To: Gordon Siegel - BOS Candidate

 

Thank you Gordon Seigel: You Nailed it: Tom Donegan is a Second-Home Owner

His husband now lives in New York and his work is in New York. Weinress no longer wants to live here since he embarrassed himself and humiliated himself at the last regular town meeting. He could not defend any of the zoning by-law changes he and McPherson initiated. It was a disaster and he left town.

All of this to say: Donegan is with Weinress and only drives back here for selectman meetings and to have lunch with Panagore. Otherwise, he is out of town.

And that is where he should stay.

We do not need a second-home owner as chair of the BOS. Why would we elect this second-home owner as selectman and chair?

10:53 am edt 

Full time vs Part Time

 

We now have a number of folks with questionable residential status in certain government positions.

Donegan's partner lives in NYC and he spends every weekend there.
Kristin Hatch lives and goes to school in Boston.
Mark Hatch lives part-time in town.

Would we rather have full-time residents making decisions for us?  Voters will have to decide.

10:40 am edt 

From: Gordon J Siegel-BOS Candidate
 
 

 

March 14 at 8:05am

 

The Chair of our current BOS has touted the need for a Year Round Community however on August 15, 2015, he and his husband bought a residence home in NEW YORK CITY. Whereas there is nothing wrong with buying a home in NYC, many would love to, it seems disingenuous to me to talk of fostering a year round community while working on leaving Provincetown. This is the Chair of the BOS working on his next home. And it's not Provincetown. Speaks volumes to me of his REAL commitment to Provincetown.
FROM THE NYC RECORDS.
333 EAST 46 STREET #3H
New York, NY, 10017
SOLD ON AUG 17, 2015 FOR
$750,000
1 bed | 1 bath
Approx. 800 ft2 ($938 / ft2)
114 days on market
BUYER:
Donegan, Thomas
Weinress, Mark
SELLER:

Andrews, Jessica

Click Here for Document 

 


10:18 am edt 

Re: Navel Gazing Into the Future - Same as it Ever Was

 

"Locals that you've driven out of town?"

What kind of fantasy is this.  No one was driven out of town intentionally.  A natural change is ongoing and is the fault of no one.  This is going on all over the world for better or worse.  Look at The North End of Boston.  Look at the South End?  Look at South Boston. How could any of these changes be stopped short of a dictatorship?  Jamaica Plain used to have a large component of working class people. That is shrinking all the time. Provincetown was once covered by forest.  Now?  Change?  Where is the buggy whip industry?    

10:08 am edt 

From: Wayne Martin

Is someone trying to tell me that gallonage from affordable housing doesn't count it doesn't fill up the system just like any other gallonage would. I think you're forgetting that the community center property is not going to be turned into affordable housing and also Mr. Savco already had approval on his plans how come all of a sudden now there was a problem with the gallonage some people tell me it's just a matter of waiting for the permits there were other people in line first which is not true he applied for his before many of the others, again this is all being manipulated to serve the Selectmen's agenda. So if we build affordable housing on the rest of the existing land in Provincetown it doesn't affect the sewage plant because it doesn't count how the hell does that make sense.!
9:22 am edt 

Sunday, March 13, 2016

From: Wayne Martin -Provincetown Beacon

"I would love for someone to answer this question"

I may be wrong on this so if someone else knows, explain it better but right now, Winslow Farms may be under scrutiny because of the gallonage he proposes for home to be sold on the open market. If he trades it to the town for affordable housing and then gets the Community Center, also for affordable housing, the water usage and gallons don't count because its for affordable housing.

Correct?
10:25 pm edt 

Donegan is Now a Second-Home Owner

He is committed to New York where his husband lives and where he now lives. He can drive in or fly in twice a month and be at a selectmen meeting. But he is no longer of here and only pretends to be.

He is a second home owner and should join their association. that he votes here is weird and hardly qualifies to run as selectman.

He is like the Ted Cruz of the republican Party who was born in Canada and held dual citizenship.

Donegan is a second home owner with allegiances to New York and his new apartment and his husband's new life--as well as his. Now we have hand turns and twists in the world of hand advertisement.

Just say goodbye Tom and we would all be better for your leaving. given that you're not here anymore.
9:03 pm edt 

Re-elect Tom Donegan-He Really Cares - Sure!?

 

"To continue the work he has done"

And what could that be? Donegan has done what? I don't know of nay project he has done or any issue that has helped the town.

I don't think he even knows the town. He is insular and concerned but his concern is only for his own projects.

9:01 pm edt 

Donegan and Yingling

 

Donegan and Yingling cost the town a half million dollars with their Facebook campaign to get rid of Jaran.  It may have been time for Jaran to go but them waging a Facebook campaign to fire him cost us dearly.

Does anyone know if Yingling and Donegan recused themselves when they voted to settle and give him $500,000 so Jaran wouldn't sue them?

8:58 pm edt 

Re-elect Tom Donegan-He Really Cares - Sure!?

 

Glad I ate before reading the crock about the soon to be ex selectman. His mistakes and oversights will cost the Provincetown community for years. I cant believe he even has the balls to run again. what a disaster. Ha, 'because he CARES', well that statement is rich. He cares for for those who do him favors. Provincetown is full of people who have volunteered longer than Tom has even lived here.

6:58 pm edt 

Re-elect Tom Donegan-He Really Cares - Sure!?

 

"to continue the great work he has done on behalf of the voters of Provincetown"

OK, I'll bite: please enumerate the "great work" Mr. Donegan has done for the town. You didn't specify a single thing. 

And please don't go on again about the hours he spends; that is not the same as real accomplishments.

6:55 pm edt 

From: Wayne Martin

 
March 13 at 11:43am
 
Also I would like to inform all registered Ptown voters on a lot of the issues that are controversial and that the selectmen want to pass, many times in past town meetings that after the vote has been taken on an article and it is not passed a lot of the people a.k.a. voters leave the meeting, which then a petition is past where it only requires 10 registered voters to bring the vote back up for reconsideration it is voted on again and passes. I have seen it many times in the where the majority has voted no and left while the minority of "the proponents" stay and the article is voted on again and passes. I don't know how this could be legal but it is, so be wary in this coming Town meeting of this, no matter how boring it can be you should always stay to the end to make sure your vote counts!!
2:04 pm edt 

Re-elect Tom Donegan-He Really Cares

 

I would have to guess by the number of anti Tom Donegan posts on here recently that the opposition from a small group of people, perhaps even the same person, seems really concerned that Mr. Donegan is going to be re-elected to continue the great work he has done on behalf of the voters of Provincetown.

ANYONE who has worked with Tom Donegan knows that he listens and acts in the best interests of the majority of stakeholders and community! Why else would he put his reputation and character on the line every day for the past -10 years of volunteering his time and energy to Provincetown? He certainly doesn't do it for the money, it costs to be a Selectmen in both money and a life! It is volunteer! Tom gains nothing that he doesn't already have in terms of material things, money.

He does what he does, and very well, because he CARES!

The theory I have is that because this same small group says mean and nasty things about one of the best volunteers this town has had in years, and the best Board of Selectmen this town has had in years, it is simply political at this point!!

Please re-elect Tom Donegan to continue the work he has started. He really cares about the future of this community.

1:45 pm edt 

MacMillan Wharf - What's the Plan?

The question has been raised. What/Who will run the Provincetown Pier operations if the Pier Corporation is dissolved? Donegan/BOS?
 
Will Donegan attempt to sell  the Pier if possible?
 
What's the Plan?
 
So  far Donegan/BOS have been silent on the subject. Why? 
12:27 pm edt 

Vote "NO" on Donegan - Break the Triumvirate

 

"don't know Mr Savko, but take a look on the east side of the Bas Relief.  He bought that property and proceeded to put his equipment/supplies on land he did not own.  He killed all the ivy there."

11:07 pm est

I agree- since the summer he has had equipment ,trucks, ladders etc all on town owned land. Not a single objection from the town. This man knows how to "work" the BOS. He has money and lets everyone know it. His goal is to make the most profit for himself. He is "working ' the system just like Ted Malone. He has now learned the ropes and the "art" of winning over the Selectmen and Planning and David Garnder. Let's NOT sell the Community building and have it become a big blunder like the Grace Gouveia Builidng. That turned out to be one of the biggest Mistakes this BOS engaged in. Wow -A bit over $700,000 for that  HUGE property. They are not bussiness people. They rely on theory and misguided studies. Tom Donegan is at the helm and the Worst offender. Erik Yingling and Raphael Ricther follow right behind. Get out and vote !!

12:19 pm edt 

From: Wayne Martin -Provincetown Beacon
Wayne Martin
March 13 at 10:48am
 
I would love for someone to answer this question, if the reason is now that Mr. Savco and his partners can not now go through with their project on Winslow St. because water and septic usage, how are we going to utilize this property without running into the same problem? Also how can there be a 7 unit or even 5 unit project proposed at the Community Center site again without Mr. Savco and company running into that exact same road block? After all it's all going into the same place! Does the town mean to make an exception and give him the permits just so they can get the Winslow St property? Please can I hear people's input on this because it's be troubling me right from when I first herd the conception of this so called to good to pass up land swap.
12:13 pm edt 

From: Gordon Siegel-BOS Candidate
Gordon Siegel

March 13 at 10:44am
 

FROM TOWN TALK: 

Like · Reply · 2 hrs
 
Erik Yingling 
Erik Yingling Truthiness, Gordon. We are not paying for Winslow farms. It is a swap of real estate. zero exchange of dollars. the house at Winslow farms is more valuable than the building at 46 Bradford that has now been vacant for about 3.5 years. Additionally, there are a number of build-able lots at Winslow farms that will absolutely be for community and affordable housing. Also, are you trying to facilitate your own real estate deal at the OCC or are you running for elected office? Are you bringing another buyer to the table as a means of scuttling this deal? Stranger than fiction. 
Like · Reply · 40 mins 
Gordon J Siegel 
Gordon J Siegel Mr. Yingling writes: 

“We are not paying for Winslow farms. It is a swap of real estate. zero exchange of dollars. the house at Winslow farms is more valuable than the building at 46 Bradford that has now been vacant for about 3.5 years.”
 


As I read the article there are tax concessions to the Seller. Any tax credit given to him is paid for by us, period. 

“Additionally, there are a number of build-able lots at Winslow farms that will absolutely be for community and affordable housing.”
 


Absolutely? Did I miss the TM vote for this? Please tell me when that was? 

“Also, are you trying to facilitate your own real estate deal at the OCC or are you running for elected office? Are you bringing another buyer to the table as a means of scuttling this deal?”
 


Wow, Eric. Once again it is YOU Personalizing this election in a NEGATIVE way towards ME. I have no Buyer, just peoples unsolicited statements to me, and those I have read, where individuals have stated an interest in the property as something other than affordable housing, same as Mr. Savko. You are correct, this is a ‘deal,’ we disagree on whom is getting the deal. 

12:08 pm edt 

What's Really Going On? - What's the Plan?

 

It seems unbelievable that the Community Center building appraised for something over $1 million just a couple of years ago and now is appraised for about $600,000.  Property values have been increasing over the last 2 years.  The Duarte property sold for over $6 million, likely one of the highest sale prices ever in the town, yet the appraised value of the Community Center dropped by nearly half.  This does not make sense.

Another fact that does not make sense is the claim this property has been actively marketed for the last few years.  If a property is for sale shouldn't it be listed in the Banner like all other properties?  Wouldn't this give it more exposure to the market?

The Community Center property is worth far more than the recent appraised value.  If the town wants to maximize revenue it should sell this property on the open market.  If the town wants more affordable housing then it should give it AND the VFW property to a developer to make mixed-income apartments properties like the one on Shank Painter Road where the town leased the property for 99 years to the developer for $1 per year.  If the town wants to make more affordable housing why sell or trade any town owned property to a develop who wants to make more market rate condominiums.  Isn't it clear this town needs more year round apartment rentals of all kinds, whether market rate or affordable?

10:08 am edt 

Vote "NO" on Donegan - Break the Triumvirate

 

I will not vote for Donegan, but I won't go the route of personal attacks.  Donegan has accomplished very little as Selectman, let alone chair.  He has spent a huge amount of time trying, but it's time to face the facts that he's not a good leader.

I appreciate all the hours he has spent trying, but it's time for someone else.

10:04 am edt 

Re: Navel Gazing Into the Future - Same as it Ever Was

 

LAYING THE STONES FOR PROVINCETOWN'S FUTURE

My Question is what power will any of you have to make your dreams of a future Provincetown come true?

You don't have the money to buy up multi family homes now and rent them out year round at below market rents.

Cabral's wharf was sold and that is going to create a big change in Provincetown.

Is                     going to stand up at the meeting and say that he will buy the community center and turn it into affordable housing with his inheritance or fund the other housing projects he bragged about or continue on his pleasure ride of personal delight?

I just don't see how you can determine the future of Provincetown without power and money--but by talking about your dreams of a future Provincetown.

Just look at what has happened in the last 20, 15, 10 and 5 years. All of the conferences have brought nothing..it is the developers who have put their mark on Provincetown.

THE DEVELOPERS: and now the old Michael Shay's property, The Grace G building etc are gone to market rate rentals. Cabral's wharf will be transformed.

More condos are being created and going on the market and Truth be Told, it is the second home owners who have saved Provincetown from slipping into poverty.

If this was a mill town whose businesses went overseas, we would be a wind blown, broken down ghost town as quiet and still as a graveyard.

10:02 am edt 

Saturday, March 12, 2016

So Sad, So Upset Because of Our Loss


Barry, I am heart-broken to know that we will never see you and be with you again. I can't believe that this has happened and that your great smile, your fabulous sense of humor and your wonderful personality will no longer be part of us.


You were amazing and you were so much fun to be with. My hearts breaks and I can only send warmth and love to Tim at this sad and tragic time.
 

11:34 pm est 

Vote "NO" on Donegan - Break the Triumvirate

 

It's the Do-Nothing Donegan

He has done nothing for the town. He lacks respect for the history of Provincetown. Maybe once he might have liked it but now--he is an angry man intent on changing Provincetown to his own liking. but I must ask: who is he? He has prove to be a Dr. Jeckle/Mr Hyde. some of us who knew him when, don't know who he is now. He is an enigma but a disappointment and I fear a danger to the future of Provincetown.

We are not New York. We are not Rehobeth Beach. We are not New Hampshire and all these other places falsely used as a measure of who we are.

Let this man go. Vote him out and do it soon. Donegan is danger. Donegan is dangerous. Donegan is dommsday for those who love this historic town.

11:29 pm est 

Thanks Mr. Siegel

 

Interesting reading Mr. Siegel's research on the real estate swap proposal appraisals.  Very interesting.  Thanks for taking the time to do that research.

11:27 pm est 

What This Blog Has Become:

A place where the greedy uses "information" to promote their own self-entitled agendas; where people are less concerned about "community" than the almighty buck; where anyone not in the upper income brackets are "deadbeats", "losers" and "lazy asses looking to be subsidized"; where anyone who disagrees is spit upon, personally attacked, and treated to the Trump style of negotiation -- namely, "get rid of 'em, throw them out".

Delude yourselves into thinking that once you get rid of the "working class", you'll have any kind of resort town left that will be worth visiting.  Eastern European kids?  They're already fed up with the low wages, ridiculous rents for flophouse-style housing, and no savings for the school year.  American kids?  Not only will they have the same economic concerns, but they won't put up with your bullshit attitudes quietly!  Locals that you've driven out of town?  They'll go where the bigger money is....further up Cape!

Guess you'll have to drive to Orleans for dinner, and scrub your own dirty toilets yourself. Have fun!!
11:24 pm est 

Vote "NO" on Donegan - Break the Triumvirate

 

"They are going to ask us to swap OUR Community Center to Mr. Savko, a Real Estate Developer from Florida, for his unsold Winslow Farms property."                                                
 

I don't know Mr Savko, but take a look on the east side of the Bas Relief.  He bought that property and proceeded to put his equipment/supplies on land he did not own.  He killed all the ivy there.

11:07 pm est 

From: Gordon Siegel - BOS Candidate
 
 
March 11 at 9:47am
 
To the Members of Our Community, Let me apologize if this post is long, however I encourage you to read the following regarding the upcoming STM.

Our Community Center has been empty since a month after Mr. Donegan was seated on the BOS, and the entire 2 years since Dr. Andrews was elected. They now have a plan for the Voters. They are going to ask us to swap OUR Community Center to Mr. Savko, a Real Estate Developer from Florida, for his unsold Winslow Farms property.

I read the Appraisals for both properties, available online at the Town website, and offer the following:

Regarding the Winslow Farms Appraisal.

Page 4: The intended use of the Appraisal is to ‘Assist Client with a potential sale of the property to the Town of Provincetown.’ An appraisal is customarily done as a condition of sale and is always required by the Buyer’s Lender. In this case we are the “Buyer” of Winslow Farms, however the appraisal was explicitly prepared for and paid for by the Seller. So what? Well try taking that into Seamens or CC5 and see how you are received.

Page 11: “The assignment is to reach as opinion of the market value of the project, as is, which consists of 5 building envelopes and one completed unit.” It goes on “The final opinion of value is based on the highest and best use of the real estate, which is the use for which permits have been issued: 6 detached residential dwellings in condominium form of ownership.”

In other words, his value of 2.3 Million Dollars is what we are being told by the BOS is what they believe we should “PAY” based on the property’s HIGHEST Value and Use: 6 residential condominiums, and then use if for Affordable Housing, which BTW, there is no guarantee will get approval. It seems to me like we should be paying less not more?

Page 53: In the Appraisal, the third property used as a Comparable property, 9 Willow Drive, ID 13-2-20-0 NEVER sold. In fact, it was WITHDRAWN from the market.

The fourth property used, 4 Bradford Street, is located in the West end and sold within 100 days, relatively quick. Located closest to the Community Center in the very desirable West End.

Juxtaposed to that is the Community Center Appraisal.

The only use considered the highest and best use for the property is an art gallery. The idea of converting to a single family home and selling the additional parking was NOT considered.

Page 149: They only used 3 comparable properties and one, 60 Bradford Street, has neither sold or been under agreement therefore it is an invalid comparable.

The other 2 comps are the The VFW, appraised by them at $628,843 and The Grace Goviea, appraised at $577,105.

I will leave you to draw your own lines and make your own conclusions. I will say this, we can do Better.

People, namely the sitting members of the Board, are accusing me of being both angry and running out of spite. After reading through all the information I hope you too are angry. We Must Do Better! I am running because I can not afford not to run. We as a Community need housing, yes, but we also need fiscal responsibility and to have the best interest of the Town uppermost. This deal does not, in my opinion, come close.

Once again, thank you for reading.
Gordon
1:36 pm est 

Tom Donegan-Vote "NO"-You Can Run But You Can't Hide!

Donegan has continually pushed for the elimination of the Pier Corporation and it looks like he
is going to get his way. 
 
This is from  the  same guy that Chaired the purchase of the VFW, which has sat fallow for more than two years. Why? Because he had no plan. He only  reflexively  responded to  the Yingling-Richter-McPherson myopic - "Affordable Housing" mantra. He is no leader. He is an utter failure!
 
Ask him the question. What is his intent relative to managing the Pier? "What's the Plan"?
 
He is a "Loser" and is just as bad, in different ways, as  the Chair he replaced. He is taking the path that so  many others prior to him have taken. Take note! He has already planned his exit, pending failure.
 
Should he fail he will without a doubt leave Provincetown pell mell, running to his sanctuary in New York City leaving his debris for others to clean up.
 
Send him packing. Just Vote "NO"! 
 
11:40 am est 

Vote "NO" on Donegan - Break the Triumvirate

 

Tom Donegan has done nothing as the chair of the B.O.S. to help this town. What he has done is he has divided this town. He promised to bring this town together when he ran. He has done just the opposite. He is ego driven.

He talks and talks and pushes and pushes affordable housing. It is a farce that only makes the developer line his pockets. Then anyone from anywhere comes here and either works the system(goes south for the winter and are NOT true year rounders) or is on unemployment for 6 months. This is a tourism economy. It will remain that. It is what it is. Economics and business dynamics are what they are.

The only way to change those dynamics is to get jobs and industry here. The only one that will work is Education. Instead of affordable housing and no jobs, affordable housing and no jobs yes again affordable housing and no jobs-the idea should be to attract education to this town.

The Grace Gouveia Bldg. could have served to accommodate a part of that industy. What do the BOS do? Sell it for the price of what a 2 bedroom condo is going for in this town. That was a travesty and VERY poor business sense.

The Fincom at the time said"hold off" on selling the building -What do the BOS do- Sell it for a song. What for  a few affordable 1 bedroom units. WOW- Way smart BOS. That developer made millions on that building. ENOUGH with selling off our assets.

People- we need to wake up and stand up against this BOS. NOT one has any business sense but possibly Richter and he is too busy with his own self interest.These BOS are out of touch with reality. We need to save our town and its resources.

Vote out Tom Donegan. He is an intregal part of the demise of the very core economics of this town. The resident tax abatement did nothing but split this down. It was a horrible decision and idea. What next? We know from Town Warrant what they are pushing down our throats.

Get out and vote. This is a very important time in this town's history and it is time the BOS hear us. It is time to stand up to them.

I have worked hard to own a little piece of this beautiful town. I am tired of Tom Donegan , Eric Yingling and Raphael Richter telling me how and what I am to do with my propety. They have gone too far!

11:30 am est 

Re: Navel Gazing Into the Future - Same as it Ever Was

 

The town has no year round jobs unless you work for the town or a very limited number of employers who operate year-round.  So the BOS are working to create jobs for the service industry who have jobs, maybe six months out of the year and all want their own one bedroom in town.

The model doesn't work and any opportunity to reverse it  has long  since passed.  Trying to solve a problem for which there is no solution is an effort in futility.

But there is a sense of entitlement in town.  Such as the person who moved here to retire, now lives on Shank Painter where we subsidize his retirement.  And now he wants the town to build him a sidewalk to the grocery store. 

11:16 am est 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate - Vote "NO"

 

Break the Logjam eliminate the BOS Triumvirate vote "No" on Tom Donegan!

A "No" Vote on Donegan neutralizes Yingling and Richter's hold on the BOS. 

Stop the Affordable Housing farce! 

10:30 am est 

From: Louise Venden - BOS Candidate
 
March 12 at 9:18am
 
I have done more "homework", asked David Panagore and BOS members for more information and given the 48 Winslow Farms/46 Bradford Street swap more thought. The proposed swap is still under negotiation and the proposal is posted on the Town Meeting Warrant for the April 4, 2016 meeting.
I support this swap primarily as essential to successful development of the VFW site that the Town has owned for 2 1/2 years. The 46 Bradford property has been marketed for 4 years and every private developer on the Cape has turned down the opportunity because it is a complicated, constrained site. Appraised values are estimates, based on limited information and the judgements; not scientific certainty. The property at 48 Winslow combined with the VFW property creates a site larger enough with needed access to move forward on the process of planning in collaboration with neighbors, community boards and staff. I believe leadership requires continuing to evaluate proposals and learn more to inform decisions, and I hope Town Meeting will approve Article 7 on the Special Town Meeting Warrant.
10:24 am est 

Re: Affordable Housing - Time to Get Out of Dodge!

 

When it's time to sell my property here I'm taking the proceeds and getting out of town.  This town is so unbelievably dysfunctional and lacks any leadership that my main concern is that I get out before it completely collapses.   I'm not alone.  I can point out any number of people who have sold and left town.  Many of the complainers on this page are probably saying 'good riddance', but you are witnessing a brain drain in this town.  Every year we lower the bar of people who run for Selectmen.

When you have such a vacuum in leadership like we have and no real leaders will step up because of how we've treated leaders in the past the future isn't bright.  Think about the current leadership, one sole focus which is housing.  Take a look back over the last five years and name one new housing project that has started.  Stable Path started long before this group got into office.

The future isn't bright.  Time to get out of Dodge!

10:20 am est 

Friday, March 11, 2016

Re: Peter Francese - Same as it Ever Was

In 2008 at the onset of the housing bust the report stated;

Cape Cod housing prices have increased nearly 160% during the last decade, only recently softening, largely in response to a regional and national housing slump.

The surge in housing costs has been exacerbated by unprecedented increases in energy costs, insurance premiums, and property taxes, creating additional barriers for more moderate-income newcomers who want to live on the Cape and straining the pocketbooks of many long-term residents.

While housing-related expenses have soared, median family incomes have increased only 58% over the last 10 years. The Cape’s current average wage is about $35,000, approximately 25% less than the state average. This combination of the high costs of living and lower wage jobs has resulted in substantial demographic shifts. 

Peter Francese, the director of demographic forecasts for the New England Economic Partnership, has conducted research on the Cape’s demographic trends from 2000 through 2006 and has observed the following in his report entitled “Challenges and Opportunities in Cape Demographics”:

·       The growth in year-round residents has virtually ceased

·       The growth in year-round residents has virtually ceased.

·       More year-round Cape residents are moving away and most of this loss is from mid Cape communities.

·       There were 5,000 more deaths than births during the five-year period

·       Two thirds of the population growth occurred in the Upper Cape towns of Mashpee and Falmouth.

·       The Cape is also losing working age adults from 35 to 44 years of age and their children plus early retirees.

·       More than one quarter of the Cape’s population is 65 years of age or older.

·       About one third of all households include only a single person.

·       Over 80% of the Cape’s 155,000 housing units are single-family homes and 50,000 of the units are vacation homes. 

Mr. Francese stated, “The heavy reliance on property tax revenue from single-family units with so few occupants, many of whom are retired and with so few having any kids, means that annual increases in school spending are unsustainable.”

He further suggested, “Cape Cod’s significantly older-than-average profile creates a far greater imperative to build workforce housing than for most other counties in the state. But other incentives to encourage young people to stay may also be needed.”



Since the report was published the Barnstable Assessor reported another 13% drop in housing values ($13.5 to $11.8 billion in 2010).


11:15 pm est 

Same as it Ever Was!

 

"What This Blog Has Become:"


This Blog has become an information source. The Peter Francese report and the Dept. of Revenue report has galvanized citizens and resulted in the Board of Selectmen and the Town manager orchestrating the Regionalization of our schools. The schools aren't regionalized.

It has drawn scrutiny of the Pier Corp and help improve its performance. Pier Corp. a is about to be disbanded.

It has made people aware that affordable housing developers have taken money that should have gone to Town Projects rather than widen their housing empire and has put citizens on alert not to let it happen again. Just the opposite has happened

It has broken the news about such events as the fire truck roll over and the Seamen's bank embezzlement before the main news channels mentioned the event. Would have happened anyway.

It is a source of information about what is happening in town and gives people here a voice to express their feelings. express their feelings? More like lie and disparage others.

Anyone can post and here and they do. People have opinions about issues and they are voiced here because there is no other venue for them to be totally honest about their views with no repercussions. Because those same people live in fear.

11:13 pm est 

Re: Peter Francese

About

Peter Francese is a nationally recognized demographic and consumer markets expert.  He is one of the most sought after speakers and writers on these subjects in the country today.

He founded and published the influential American Demographics magazine in 1979, which quickly became the nation’s most authoritative source on consumer trends for business leaders. American Demographics was nominated three times for a National Magazine Award and is now part of Advertising Age magazine.

His report for Advertising Age, “2010 America: What the 2010 Census Means for Marketing and Advertising”, correctly predicted that the census would count 50 million Hispanics in the U.S.

Francese writes periodically for Advertising Age magazine and he authored the weekly column, “People Patterns”, for several years, which reported on demographic trends for a business audience and was syndicated in 50 newspapers and subsequently appeared monthly in The Wall Street Journal.

His 2011 report on American grandparents for the MetLife Mature Market Institute titled, “American grandparents: New insights for a new generation of grandparents” was the first to predict major shifts in this important consumer segment. To obtain a copy, please click here.

Peter Francese has authored several books on how to effectively target consumer markets, including: “Capturing Customers” (1991); Marketing Know-How” (1996); “Marketing Insights to Help Your Business Grow” (1998). His most recent book, “Communities and Consequences” (2008), was co-authored with Lorraine Stuart Merrill and accurately forecasted social, economic and demographic challenges that New Hampshire is now facing.

Among his other work, Francese is the demographic trends analyst for the MetLife Mature Market Institutehttp://www.metlife.com/mmi/index.html. He is currently the Director of Demographic Forecasts for The New England Economic Partnership, a non-profit public research organization http://www.neepecon.org/.

Francese is a recipient of the Silver Bell Award for Distinguished Public Service from the Advertising Council. He is also a recipient of the Visionary Award from the Workforce Housing Coalition. He holds a graduate degree from Cornell University and has served two terms on the University President’s Council.

 

9:47 pm est 

Cape Cod Times Sarah Shemkus Freelance Journalist

U.S. Census: Young adults flee Cape Cod

They leave the Cape, they say, because the housing is unaffordable or because the social options are scarce. Or they never come at all, citing a lack of opportunities for career advancement or a dearth of potential romantic partners.

“Pretty much all my close friends have left,” said Ben Woods, 27, who moved from Brewster to Boston nine years ago, after graduating from high school on the Cape. “It definitely has appeal to visit for a few days at a time, but I don’t think I can ever see myself living there full time again.”

Since 2000, Cape Cod has lost more than a quarter of its population of young adults, according to 2010 U.S. Census figures being released today. Between 2000 and last year, the number of people between the ages of 25 and 44 living on Cape Cod fell 26 percent, from 55,577 to 40,658.

Statewide, the population in that age range fell by 13 percent over the same period.

At the same time, the number of Cape residents 80 or older jumped 21 percent, from 13,833 in 2010 to 16,759 last year.

The specific numbers may be new, but the trend is far from surprising.

The decline in the Cape’s population of young people has been a significant concern in the region since at least 2007, when demographer Peter Francese galvanized business and civic leaders with his analysis of the area’s demographic woes. Fewer young people and a rapidly aging population, he warned, could drive up health care costs, increase taxes and weaken the overall economy.

“There’s always been an urgency,” said Wendy Northcross, chief executive officer of the Cape Cod Chamber of Commerce. “We have to reverse the trend.”

Four years after leaders started responding to Francese, the results of local efforts to attract young people to Cape Cod and keep them here have been uneven. However, as early programs faltered, some new initiatives have been launched.

Perhaps the most direct response to Francese’s presentation was the formation of Cape Cod Focus, a sort of steering committee intended to help inform and guide efforts to improve the region’s demographic balance.

The group held some initial meetings, created a website and sponsored some events, but faded from the scene within a couple of years.

“It disappeared for lack of administrative support,” said Gary Sheehan, the CEO of Cape Medical Supply and one of the founders of Cape Cod Focus.

The economic downturn also played a role in the group’s demise, Northcross said.

“That information came on the cusp of the deep recession,” she said. “There were always good intentions, but when you don’t have resources, things get put on ice.”

In 2008, the state, local employers and Housing Assistance Corp. launched a collaborative effort to subsidize housing for area workers who earned average incomes. At least one person — an employee of Shepley Wood Products — bought a house through the program, but it also fell victim to the recession, HAC chief executive Rick Presbrey said.

“What we found was that lots of employers want housing for their employees, but the approach to getting it done was complicated in some ways,” he said. “Part of it was employers not wanting to come up with any cash in a situation when things are bad.”

As the economy begins its slow climb toward recovery, however, other efforts are springing up to replace those that have fizzled out.

The Cape Cod Chamber of Commerce, Cape Cod Technology Council, Cape Cod Commission and OpenCape Corp. have formed an effort called Smarter Cape that, Northcross said, has evolved out of the ideas Cape Cod Focus was promoting.

“Essentially, the Smarter Cape effort is looking at how can we use innovative thinking and technology to diversify our economy,” she said.

The leaders of the four groups meet regularly and are in the process of writing a concrete plan for action, she said. Possible steps include a marketing campaign to promote the Cape as a great place to live and work, and the creation of a regional permitting process, she said.

Cape Cod Young Professionals, founded in 2005, will soon be launching a program called Career Connect to give scholarships to young professionals seeking further education, and help create internship and mentor opportunities for participants, Brian Carey, the president of the group’s board of directors, said.

“We’re really hoping that this takes off and can have a very good impact on the Cape in terms of retaining young professionals down here,” he said.

To Francese, however, the newest census numbers suggest that the Cape should still be alarmed. A population with more people over 65, he said, translates into higher health care costs for everyone, while shrinking numbers of young people make it harder for businesses to thrive, he said.

“There’s nobody left to speak of that can afford to live on the Cape,” he said.

The only way to change the course is to undertake a coordinated Capewide effort to rebalance the area’s population, Francese said.

“The Cape is suffering from a multitude of problems because it would not realize the central fact that demographics is destiny,” he said. “Now the question is, with their backs up against the wall, are they going to do anything? I don’t know the answer.”

9:05 pm est 

Re: Peter Frances Report

It would be crucial that this report be posted here so that it can be taken to the Meeting on March 19th.

From what I understand, they have this meeting every ten years.

So much has happened regarding the demographics of the Cape and Provincetown that this report must be read by the folks who are going to participate in this conference.

You are wasting your time if you are going to make this a "wishing and hoping" event. You need facts and to face facts.

Since that report will be available through this venue here: MYPACC. It behooves the conference goers to read it before hand.

You need to know the foundation on which you stand. The Peter Frances report will plant you firmly on that foundation.
8:58 pm est 

Re: Donegan, Andrews, Venden - BOS Candidates - Vote "No" !

 

Donegan is the one who pushed for a raise in BOS pay and health insurance while being a leader who is unable to lead.  It's time for him to go live with his husband in NYC.

Andrews only accomplishment in two years is to hire a town manager.  That is not worth re-election.  It's time for her to ride into the history she likes to tell us about.

I've talked to others on the 1st town manager search committee.  To a one, they all say Vendoen did a poor job.  Can't vote for her.

So that leaves Seigal and Bregelia.  And that's who I will vote for Selectmen

5:00 pm est 

Re: Navel Gazing Into the Future - Same as it Ever Was

 

"FUTURE OF CAPE COD

Some years ago the Cape Cod Chamber of Commerce brought a man to speak to all of them at a special meeting open to all about the future of Cape Cod and its demographics.

You don't want to face facts, you want to gather and spin your dreams of a fantasy world because you are regular folk who didn't do an in depth study about the Cape--otherwise, you wouldn't have this dream Council where all you will do is exchange your dreams of what you want the town to be like in the future.FUTURE OF CAPE COD"



Webmaster Comment: His name is - Peter Francese

 

Friday, November 6, 2009

What This Blog Has Become:


This Blog has become an information source. The
Peter Francese report and the Dept. of Revenue report has galvanized citizens and resulted in the Board of Selectmen and the Town manager orchestrating the Regionalization of our schools. 

It has drawn scrutiny of the Pier Corp and help improve its performance. 

It has made people aware that affordable housing developers have taken money that should have gone to Town Projects rather than widen their housing empire and has put citizens on alert not to let it happen again. 

It has broken the news about such events as the fire truck roll over and the Seamen's bank embezzlement before the main news channels mentioned the event. 

It is a source of information about what is happening in town and gives people here a voice to express their feelings. 

Anyone can post and here and they do. People have opinions about issues and they are voiced here because there is no other venue for them to be totally honest about their views with no repercussions.

1:25 pm est 

MYPACC will republish Peter Francese's findings, due to it's timely implications. 

3:58 pm est 

Re: Navel Gazing Into the Future - Same as it Ever Was

 

REMEMBER WHEN!

Remember hearing about decades when there were seven schools in town?

Remember when we had a serious fishing fleet?

Remember when Paris Hilton was the most famous (or infamous) young woman alive?

This is all is the past--never to return again.

Now Provincetown is an exclusive summer resort.

People are coming here to work asking on the face book page for a one bedroom apt for them and their boy friend or girl friend.

Yes, they have a job and it is contingent on finding housing.

The available rentals are going to people with money--not to people coming here to work for the summer. It is a fact of life.

What a shame because I can foresee another summer where again lots and lots of young students are going to come into our place of accommodation and ask to rent for the summer or ask for a job to supplement their income.

Some might be desperate and spend a wad of money for one night--but we can't change the rules for them and charge them less.

It is just a sad situation when the students come knocking at the door looking for a place to live and for a Provincetown that just doesn't exist at that price anymore.

2:40 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing - Back in the Saddle Again!

 

DINNER FOR TWO

Glass of Chardony for her, Chevas on the Rocks for him and an entre each..and the bill was $35.00.

2:37 pm est 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate - Vote "No" !

 

Yes it sure sounds like Tom Donegan is singing his own praises on this blog.  I will not be voting for him that is for sure!  and neither should anyone else that wants to see any real positive change.  His history serving the town has been nothing but problematic.  He has cost this town tons of money.  He was at the helm leading the disastrous firing of Chief Jarran that cost us money and put a bucket load in Jarran's personal coffers.  He lead the charge to find a new town manager (not once but twice).  His first attempt was also a complete debacle with the guy not taking the job at the last minute after having dinner at Donegan's house.  Tom Donegan has cost us time and money and has divided the town.  What a poor record. VOTE HIM OUT!

2:35 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

 

Mr. Siegel,a prospective Selectman hopeful may have lost the election by Public statements he's made re VFW site for new Police Station! My voting memory reminds me that the VFW Bldg. was purchased for that reason! A NEW MUCH NEEDED POLICE STATION, & maybe housing could be placed somewhere on the periphery! Nothing was done when it should have been & now a new station will cost twice as much for lesser needs! stupidity runs rampant & never seems to stop! enough with the affordable housing that's not affordable to anybody here without year round employment!!

2:34 pm est 

Re: Navel Gazing Into the Future - Same as it Ever Was

 

2011 POPULATION FACTS

Facts to present on Saturday, March 19, 2016. from this March 11, 2011 article.

On Cape Cod, the Census numbers mostly tell a story of population loss, with decreases in 11 of Barnstable County's 15 towns. Provincetown had the biggest percentage drop, 14 percent, as its population went from 3,431 to 2,942. Barnstable lost the most in total numbers, with a loss of 2,628 residents, or 5.5 percent.

10:41 am est 

Re: Navel Gazing Into the Future - Same as it Ever Was

 

FUTURE OF CAPE COD

Some years ago the Cape Cod Chamber of Commerce brought a man to speak to all of them at a special meeting open to all about the future of Cape Cod and its demographics.

You don't want to face facts, you want to gather and spin your dreams of a fantasy world because you are regular folk who didn't do an in depth study about the Cape--otherwise, you wouldn't have this dream Council where all you will do is exchange your dreams of what you want the town to be like in the future.

Out of all of the counties in the entire country, ours has the third BIGGEST population of Elderly residents.

The percentage of people in their 30s and 40s who have left the cape is an astounding number.

The list goes on and on. It was on the radio. I remember listening to an interview with this gentleman and being wowed.

This March 19th dream council where you express your dream of what you want the town to be in 10,15, 20 years--is fruitless if you don't understand what is happening below the surface in all of these towns.

I just hate to see people waste their time at another conference, time away from their children etc. at another futile conference.

I'm just being realistic. The Provincetown Banner should print what this man said as a special Editorial..read it and weep.

10:39 am est 

Re: Affordable Housing - Back in the Saddle Again!

                                             

"Except not everyone wants to live and dine in Fall River."

 

Ok, I'll bite!  Two top shelf scotches, two glasses of wine and two dinners all for less than $35.00.  Even the Trumpeter would not be able to negotiate such a deal or even try to convince us that it is possible.

Lets take a closer look.  The Scotch:  At least $8.00 each
The wine at least $7.00 each So now we already spent $30.00.  So dinner (TIP?)can be had for less than $2.50 each?  Hard to believe, but maybe MacDonald's serves alcohol where they live.  BS stories have the exact opposite effect than some expect.  Why do some people have to make up such crap.

10:32 am est 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate - Vote "No" !

 

"Looks like Tom Donegan is writing his own postings."

Make that 2 who are writing glowingly about him.  I don't necessarily agree with every single position he has taken. But I do respect that he and others on the BOS are trying to correct years of other BOS "looking the other way" about significant issues in our town.

So yes, there at least 2 posters.

10:29 am est 

Re: Navel Gazing Into the Future - Same as it Ever Was

 

HOT AND HEAVY, HOT AND HEAVY AND THEN ZERO OUTCOME FOR
THE GUNG-HO CAUSE DU JOUR

Now there is the call for a gathering to pave the way to the future of Provincetown. Well,

I remember a few years back when the facebook pages where burning up with the heated intensity of firebrands in this town who were going to create a blazing future for Provincetown.

Michael Canizales et al were boiling over with plans.

Timothy Guy Olive was burning up with the passion to build all of this housing and wrote about his meetings with this official and that person and it was going to be Morning again in Provincetown.

Remember? one would go on face book and there would be hundreds of comments--of course they were all from the same eight or nine people.

All of that heated rhetoric all winter long and then it fizzled out into a whimper that drifted away.

Suddenly, there is a clarion Call for a new Gathering to  pave the way to the future of provincetown in the decades to come.

Nothing will be done. It isn't until some outside money comes in and buys a wharf that things get done. All of that heat and smoke and people spending hours on line sure didn't create anything.

MARCH 19, 2016 REMEMBER this date and next year look back and see what groundwork has been laid and what has been accomplished.

Just as I look back at the selectmen who were voted in on their promise to bring housing and jobs etc etc to Provincetown and they brought nothing but more division into the town.

10:27 am est 

From: Louise Venden
   
 
March 10 at 8:08pm
 
I am Louise Venden, running for a seat on the Provincetown Board of Selectmen to contribute leadership toward effective, inclusive, thoughtful and well communicated Town policies. Provincetown faces challenges and has many opportunities to meet these challenges. Dedicated community activists, creative artists, performers, retirees, leaders of nonprofits, and hard-working business people are ready to join efforts to come up with real solutions to the community housing shortage, boost year round jobs and preserve and enhance Provincetown’s natural and cultural treasures.

I served for two years as an elected Library Board Trustee, chaired the first Town Manager Search committee in 2013-2014, have served a year and a half on the Finance Committee, now as Vice Chair; and I have supported local events and community organizations like Provincetown 365, PAAM, HOW, Swim for Life and the OCHS Lobsterfest.

My experience in public life here has been so rewarding, introducing me to talented and accomplished people from many walks of life who are willing to serve and support community efforts. Sally and I bought a condo here in 1993 and spent most weekends here with friends, dining out, shopping and enjoying events, theater, and exploring nature. We have considered Provincetown our full time home since 2007. I have witnessed dramatic changes- renovations and new home construction, escalating home values, and shortening of the season with restaurants and retail stores closing earlier and opening later as the year round population dropped and more residents left Town for months during the winter.

There are no easy or quick solutions to our housing, economic, employment and population loss challenges, and leaders on Town boards and committees need to hear from the broad range of people who care about Provincetown and call it home to come up with not only the best solutions and proposals, but to gain their commitment for carrying them out
12:44 am est 

Funny Irony

I love how some in here claim others to be gutless and then don't sign their names to their posts. Its also funny that a person or persons who support an issue again, don't sign their name. At least Siegal signed his name to his comments regarding his run for the selectmens seat. If you're going to attack someone or even support something or someone, have the guts to say who you are. Otherwise just save it.
12:39 am est 

Re: Cheryl Andrews -Big Deal-Tom Donegan

 

On one of the Facebook pages, Andrews was asked what she achieved.  Answer: she helped hire the Town Manager.

That's it.

What has Donegan achieved.  The same.  That is, nothing.

I forgot, they put through the residential exemption which created further division in town.

12:36 am est 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate - Vote "No" !

 

Looks like Tom Donegan is writing his own postings

Why do I say this? Because who else would speak so highly about what a "great" job he has done?

He has been a disappointment and his "reign"--yes Prince Donegan--has been rather disastrous.

tom, write to yourself.

12:34 am est 

Thursday, March 10, 2016

Re: Affordable Housing - Back in the Saddle Again!

"And I'm sure that because you can afford a condo in Provincetown and are able to eat out at the mediocre, overpriced restaurants here in town, you feel you're living the high life on the French Riviera."

Just for your information, I own a townhouse in the West End, a smallish apartment in Cannes and own three square miles of properties in Fall River. Come and visit anytime.
7:05 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing - Back in the Saddle Again!

 

"Except not everyone wants to live and dine in Fall River."

What an arrogant, snobbish thing to say. I suppose people from Fall River are low-class in your estimation? And I'm sure that because you can afford a condo in Provincetown and are able to eat out at the mediocre, overpriced restaurants here in town, you feel you're living the high life on the French Riviera.

Just goes to show you, money can't buy class.

4:11 pm est 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate - Vote "No" !

Break the Logjam. Dump Donegan!
 
Disrupt the triumvirate - Donegan-Richter-Yingling (McPherson).
3:43 pm est 

Re: Navel Gazing Into the Future - Same as it Ever Was

 

NAVEL GAZING CONFERENCE

I wonder what the take away will be from this Navel Gazing Conference where people gather to plot the future decades of Provincetown.

Some people are only here for a few years and then they leave because they want a well rounded life with financial security, children, money in the bank and knowledge that one little health issue or car transmission failure will NOT bring economic ruin.

Others have financial security from inherited property or were given big breaks or a down payment to buy a house or condo here.

Others came here after selling their big house in other states. (Some of us are working and have a family to take care of and just don't have the interest to attend).

Won't this conference be another venue with all of the people from Provinctown 365? Plus the selectmen and the powers that be in Town Hall?

Oh for the heady days when Michael Canizales was all over the place and everyone was up in arms about this and that--and the beat goes on and we are back to where we were with the same issues of housing, no year round jobs etc.

And Round and Round we go.

3:38 pm est 

Re: Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate - Vote "No" !

 

"I hope that the voters of Provincetown re-elect Tom Donegan to the Board of Selectmen. No one has given more time and energy and consideration for our Town Government more than Tom."

 

I hope that time in the job is not the criterion by which we measure value. Results matter.  Donegan has done nothing but alienate people and obfuscate every issue.  He is arrogant and in spite of being rather smart only screws things up because he is constantly pandering to those that he thinks will serve him better.  He knows better than all of us an has never listened to anyone with the intent of learning various other points of view.  Dingling is much the same except for the smart component 

3:29 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing - Back in the Saddle Again!

 

"Where my parents live, we can go out to dinner and it is $35.00 for the two of us with a wine and a chevas Regal to start the meal. AND TAKE HOME LEFT over on our plate.."

Except not everyone wants to live and dine in Fall River.

1:31 pm est 

Navel Gazing Into the Future

 

MORE COMMUNITY HAPPY TALK

I've lived here for many years. I remember when Irene Rabinowitz et al enticed a business to come here and see the lay of land and consider operating it out of Provincetown and filling the positions with locals after all of the calls for year round business and jobs.

Low and Behold the business went to the Powers that be and explained what happened. The vast number of potential employees only wanted to work seasonally!

Thus this business went up cape and started its operation there. Many of you may remember hear this story in the past.

Fast Forward to the happy talk about The Future Destiny of Provincetown. The current reality is that two years ago, some business couldn't make payroll.

This was not Last winter with all of the snow--but the prior winter.

I'm not throwing cold water on this idea of the future vision of Provincetown--I just want people to be realistic.

So many forums in the past..so many conferences--with people dividing up into groups to come up with solutions.

No one can keep count of all of these visionary gatherings to plot the course of Provincetown into our glorious future.

No one at these conferences, it seems, saw us becoming exclusive like the Islands--only some business people saw that this was happening.

There are Ghost Towns that were once prosperous towns.

This hasn't happened to provincetown when the fishing almost came to a stand still; tourism took over and now we are an exclusive resort that will only become more exclusive.

Have you thought about what will happen when the last lot is built upon and when the last condo is up for sale? When noting more can be built..what is built will become more and more and more expensive.

You can't build more land. You can only watch as real estate gets more and more dear and expensive and we become more and more a summer only economy.

However, don't let this deter you from paving your way upon the stepping stones of your dreams.

Gather as you may to lay the stone path towards the new Future of Provincetown that awaits us in 10, 20, and 30 years.

Traipse towards that golden horizon at the end of the rainbow that fulfills our dreams and raises our hope that our little town at the end of the world will be a golden crescent of shimmering fulfillment because it is our dream and thus it must come true because we demand it and will vote at town meeting to make it happen and the taxpayers will provide it.

1:28 pm est 

Tom Donegan - BOS Candidate

 

I hope that the voters of Provincetown re-elect Tom Donegan to the Board of Selectmen. No one has given more time and energy and consideration for our Town Government more than Tom. He served on the Fincom for years before he ran for BOS, and learned and participated in the challenges facing the community BEFORE he ran for the BOS. He paid his dues. Others have tried to serve, and served for short periods before quitting or running for higher office. Tom has worked many, many 60 and 70 hour weeks for free to keep town government running. He is fair, thinks ahead to the future and treats everyone fairly and equally. We need to continue working to make our community stronger, and the only candidate who has proven he can work with everyone who cares is imperative to moving ahead smoothly to face the future. Please, cast your vote for the person who has proven time and again he has the best interests of Provincetown at his core.

12:18 pm est 

Vote "No" to Donegan, Yingling and McPherson!

 

This is the Donegan-Yingling Town Warrant

and maybe the Donegna-Yongling-McPherson warrant. these three are trying to rewrite the rules of this town and shape the town to their interests. I am not sure exactly what their interests are--but they are driving the major changes to zoning. And there is no long-term planning and no attempt to understand unintended consequences.

there is much hubris with all three since they are self-assured that what they want is what should be.

12:17 pm est 

Re: Cheryl Andrews -Big Deal

 

"Please, you only go back to what was, to what you did twenty years back. It is boring and still you do nothing. you hoover."

 

Another example that money can't buy you class...you really have nothing but nasty sour-grapes to share, NOTHING substantive to share, so you resort to anonymous, insulting personal attacks.  SOOOOO boring and tedious...and gutless.

12:14 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing - Back in the Saddle Again!

 

JUST WAIT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE CLASS AGAIN?

For the past 46 years the middle class has been declining as more and more people drop down from middle class status and suddenly this is going to be reversed with affordable housing in Provincetown?

This is what the mania for Affordable housing is making people assume.

The director of Province Landing even said that this isn't free housing--it is affordable housing.

What this means is that the RENTS will GO UP over time.

The Board of Selectmen is not putting this end to condo conversion article in Town Meeting--as though that is going to suddenly solve this housing problem.

I can't wait to talk with my co-workers about our hourly wage going up to $15.00 an hour. They would laugh me right out of town.

In ten years, my teeny tiny incremental raise hasn't even reached one dollar yet! IN TEN YEARS.

Good luck entering the middle class in Provincetown where a top shelf drink on the other side of the bridge is $6.00 and here it is $12.00.

Where my parents live, we can go out to dinner and it is $35.00 for the two of us with a wine and a chevas Regal to start the meal. AND TAKE HOME LEFT over on our plate..

It would be $125.00 here in Provincetown for the same meal.

Good luck reaching the middle class with affordable housing and once it is all built--where will you be if you don't get a slot in it?

12:12 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

 

Re: I'm so tired. . . .

We spent 900,000 to buy the VFW site, don't we have a million dollars sitting somewhere for the market rate housing?  $1.9m sitting there for housing and sitting there and sitting there and sitting there.

This is what happens when you have no plan.  To begin with I'll be voting no to the FinCom request for another half a million dollars.  We've got $1.9m sitting there and we're doing nothing.  If I could I'd vote HELL NO to the additional $500,000

We live in a community where we can afford to have $1,900,000 sitting there collecting dust?  Further evidence of the ineffectiveness of the current selectmen.

12:08 pm est 

Wednesday, March 9, 2016

Re: Gordon Siegal

 

It truly fascinates me to see the people who made fun of MYPACC now participating on mypacc. Politicians will always do what they advise us not to do....especially when it benefits them. You know the people I am talking about.

11:55 pm est 

Vote "No" For Tom Donegan

Solution to eliminating the Affordable Housing mania within the BOS.
 
Don't Reelect Tom Donegan!
 
Donagan must go! Neutralize Yingling! 
11:03 pm est 

Cheryl Andrews -Big Deal

 

Oh big Deal

another name for selectman. what a surprise. such a shock that Andrews is running when she stated she would only--only--finish Austin Knight's term. That was it, she stated. she would only finish his term.

and now, here she is again. why? We need fresh ideas, and a new face. She is not what or who we need.

Please, you only go back to what was, to what you did twenty years back. It is boring and still you do nothing. you hoover. You hesitate. You research something to death. and then you abstain.

Why do we need you? We don't.

10:56 pm est 

Re: Gordon Siegal

 

Is this the same Gordon Siegal that constantly insulted anyone who reads MYPACC that is now using MYPACC to campaign?? He's a bigger jerk than I originally thought.

10:43 pm est 

Something Rotten in Denmarlk

 

When did the Grace Govia building go on the market?
As a taxpayer I do not  recall an  insider offer.   Something rotten in Denmarlk.

10:42 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

 

"They can't change 43% or the population into 71% that are middle class."

Just wait, next comes a minimum wage of $15 an hour, single-payer health care, and whatever else it takes to get real working people back into the middle class....

6:07 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

 

AFFORDABLE HOUSING BACKLASH

After hearing your tales of econd home-owner woes, I only have two words: DUE DILIGENCE.  It's not every year-rounder's  fault if you and others failed to do it...

6:04 pm est 

The World as It is

 

OUR WORLD HAS CHANGED FOR 71% TO NOW 43% ARE MIDDLE CLASS

The Sunday Boston Globe has a serious, in depth article about our nation.

in 1970, 71% of us were middle class--now it is 43%.

The Boston Globe article goes into all of the ramifications of this.

My question, concern, query is that all of the people who want to trade in the assets of Provincetown for affordable housing--from diverting town owned property to developers to draconian condo rules to taxpayers spending millions on property to give to developers--how do you expect this town to provide you with a middle class existence?

You can play monopoly with the community center and the "Winslow farm"--(a pretty name for a big dead end lot if you ask me); You can pass condo prevention articles at town meeting, you can change the tax structure..but what is your fate going to be in 5, 10, 15 years?

You will be 5 et al years older. What will be will be and Town Meeting is Town Meeting..it isn't a magic wand that will solve all of your economic problems.

At Every Election, the folks running for selectmen talk about providing Jobs and housing.

Only so much can be done in our little town existing at the end of the world.

And I hope that one day you will come to the realization that the taxpayers aren't going to be able to provide you with the kind of life that you yearn for.

They can't change 43% or the population into 71% that are middle class.

4:10 pm est 

To: Webmaster - Up Date Needed

 

Blog moderator, time to update your list.  C. Andrews has decided to bless us with her candidacy for Selectman

12:53 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

 

AFFORDABLE HOUSING BACKLASH

Beware, there are other issues facing this town and putting the screws to the taxpayers over and over again and trying to get these articles passed with have its day of reckoning.

Read the facebook pages and hear how property owners are excoriated; how people are advocating that we take over their houses, that people want to pass a law saying that property owners must rent out their homes when they aren't here.

Let me tell you something, property owners have rented out their places only to find that stairwells have been cut up and burnt in the fireplace, that wiring has been screwed up and that locals have destroyed property.

One guy even had roommates and kept the rent money rather than giving it to the landlords.  A LOCAL GUY.

Affordable housing--when there is no deep back ground check of a person's financial.

Lets see how much affordable housing is built here and where?

Playing monopoly, lying to the voters about property being bought for a police station and then switched at town meeting by people who rent.

Time to get property owners on the B of Selectmen. How much more is going to be sacrificed in the name of affordable housing that really makes developers richer and richer?

It will be interesting to see what passes and what fails at town meeting--and who will stick it out to go over the same failed articles that are brought back every year.

Good Luck Provincetown.

10:41 am est 

Tuesday, March 8, 2016

Re: Affordable Housing

 

News flash candidates:  Affordable Housing is not a religion it's not something one believes in. Boy we are screwed.

10:41 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing - BOS - Erik Yingling

 

I am so tired of every building and extra dollar made available to the BOS being earmarked for affordable housing. I do not know what the current crop of perspective BOS members running for election will do if elected but I will vote for anyone not currently a BOS member. It is beyond belief that we had to sit thru hours of a town meeting in the past and the same articles that were voted down are being presented by the BOS again. Erik Yingling I wish you were up for election because I would make it my personal mission to see you replaced.

9:54 pm est 

Re: Nantucket Boat Slip

 

Boat Slip on Nantucket goes for 4.75M Get ready Provincetown,  The same will be happening once the new marina is finished here. .

We should be so fortunate. We are the most undervalued desirable coastal location east of NYC. I doubt BIG money will be attracted to our hot dogs, tee shirts and taffy joints in a hokey center of town setting. Not to mention our misfits and malcontents and the hideous over development in the west end.

6:05 pm est 

From: Vincent Breglia - BOS Candidate
 
 
March 8 at 5:07pm
 
It's Another Beautiful Day in the Hood!

I came to Provincetown in the early 90's to pursue my dream as an artist. I have never been disappointed by the many opportunities Provincetown has to offer. I am running for a seat on the Board of Selectmen so I can contribute my time ,energy, creativity, and love that I have for this picturesque seaside community. I will be devoted to the cause for the bigger picture and always listen to what the voters want.

I care about :

Our Historic Community Center that is in danger of being sold for next to nothing considering what its true value is. I want to stop this transactions with the voters,YOU and I can vote no at the town meeting on April 4, 2016 @ Town Hall.

I want a community that is not divided and has open communication not only on social media but in person, when communication is more sincere and honest. I plan on working with our community to help develop more community projects and also create jobs for winter residents. I am attending and participating in the Provincetown Year Rounders Festival which I believe is an example of this.

I believe in affordable housing but it has to be realistic with the needs of our town. I would love to see more larger scale mixed use live work spaces on town owned properties so many people just starting out have chance to experience the magic that is Provincetown.

Thank You for Your consideration,
Vincent Breglia
5:59 pm est 

Re: Selectmen Benefit Survey

Provincetown is very low. Why?

And I see Truro is going to town meeting looking to up the selectmens money to $5000!!

What a joke. Regardless of what the positions make, what do any of these positions do to EARN the money??
3:25 pm est 

Selectmen Benefit Survey

 
 

Town

Stipend

Health Insurance coverage? /

% of Town Contribution

Barnstable

President         $12,000

Vice President $10,000

Councilors          $8000

Yes 50% town contribution

Bourne

Chair                  $3500

Selectmen          $2500

Yes 75% town contribution

 

Brewster

Chair                  $2000

Selectmen          $1500

No

Chatham

Chair                  $2500

Selectmen          $2000

Yes. 65% town contribution

 

Dennis

Chair                  $2000

Selectmen         $2000

Yes 60% town contribution

Eastham

Chair                  $2000

Selectmen          $2000

Yes  65% town contribution

 

Falmouth

Chair                  $3500

Selectmen         $3000

Yes 75% town contribution.

 

Harwich

Chair                  $1500

Selectmen         $1500

Yes but no town contribution

Mashpee

Chair                  $2000

Selectmen         $2000

No longer offers Health Insurance

One Selectman is “grandfathered” with 75% town contribution

Nantucket

Chair                 $5000

Selectmen         $3500

Yes: 

Master Medical 80% town contribution

Blue Care Elect 90% town contribution

Oak Bluffs

Chair                 $4500

Selectmen         $3000

No

 

Orleans

Chair                 $2500

Selectmen         $2000

No

Provincetown

Chair                 $1000

Selectmen        $1000

Yes but no town contribution.

Sandwich

Chair                 $3000

Selectmen         $2000

No

Truro

Chair                 $3000

Selectmen         $3000

No

Wellfleet

Chair                 $1000

Selectmen        $1000

Yes 60% town contribution.

Yarmouth

Chair                 $2880

Selectmen        $2880

Yes 50% town contribution

12:53 pm est 

From: Louise Venden - BOS Candidate

 

Tom Donegan, Cheryl Andrews, Vincent Breglia, Gordon Siegel and  I are running for the two seats on the Board of Selectmen that are up for election on May 3. Tom and Cheryl have worked hard as Selectmen and before that on other committees and boards, and I know that you and others will be looking at their record and listening to what they say about their goals as Selectmen for the next 3 years.I don't know much about Vincent and Gordon, but I am sure we will all learn more about them as the campaign ramps up.


I have already shared with you and others some of my ideas, concerns and hopes for the Town as we address housing, economic development and promoting a more robust year round community. I have also called on all of us to recognize the importance of embracing the whole community in garnering the resources to improve housing options, support businesses and exciting new development on our harbor/piers, foster the many efforts to ensure the health and safety of residents, and maintain our extraordinary natural environment. We must accomplish these complicated and sometimes conflicting goals within the limits of our financial and human resources. As Vice Chair of the Finance Committee, I understand the tradeoffs that must be made to accomplish our goals in terms of funding and timing, but I now need to hear from you and your friends about priorities, funding concerns, and engaging more people in the political and public process.

A key component of leadership is listening and carefully considering proposals. I have learned a great deal from people who served on the first Town Manager Search Committee and on the Finance Committee and the Provincetown 365 group. I do not agree with members all the time, but I respect their perspectives, appreciate their opinions and knowledge, and the results of our deliberations are improved because we work together.

At this point I need to know if you are willing to help me reach out to people, hold house parties, have coffee with your neighbors and friends. Sure, I will be producing the obligatory yard signs and look forward to forums or interviews where each of us describe our reason for running and goals as Selectmen. But, call me old fashioned- I want to meet people, listen and discuss the Town's future with them face to face.

Please let me know if you are willing to help.

Thanks, and enjoy this refreshing week of spring weather!

Louise
12:41 pm est 

From: Gordon Siegel - BOS Candidate
  
 
March 8 at 7:35am
 
WTF? The current BOS feel WE THE TAXPAYERS should pay THEIR health insurance beginning this year, to a tune of $38,423. This is completely self serving. A Dentist, A Realtor, and business owners? Really. On top of the 100 to 150% increase they want in their stipend. Is this because their doing such great work? COMMUNITY CENTER EMPTY SINCE 6/27/13; VFW EMPTY SINCE PURCHASED 2013. Great Job so far. We don't need 3 more years of Tom and Cheryl.
IT IS TIME FOR CHANGE! No more self serving Selectmen! Vote Vincent and Gordon.
12:32 pm est 

Re: "Is Anyone Listening?"

Obviously not to piss-and-moaners like you....
11:26 am est 

Re: Affordable Housing


"The way to create affordable housing is to make it attractive enough for developers to build it."

Oh goody!!  Another trickle-down economist!  Can I throw up now??

11:25 am est 

Re: Disgusting Comments

Yeah, I was bit amazed that Twitter would allow hateful rhetoric regarding Mrs. Reagan....When they censor comments regarding others. It's a bit chilling that social media is has the power to sway the public's opinion. I've since closed my Twitter and Facebook accounts. I won't be led.

Also, no matter how low of an opinion I had of someone, I wouldn't disrespect them after death. Very tacky.
11:11 am est 

Nantucket Boat Slip

 

Boat Slip on Nantucket goes for 4.75M

Get ready Provincetown,  The same will be happening once the new marina is finished here. 

11:10 am est 

Re Affordable Housing

 

The way to create affordable housing is to make it attractive enough for developers to build it.  This is best achieved through a combination of government sponsored low interest loans, tax credits, relaxation of zoning (to allow higher density) and even giving away government owned land for development.  Make it profitable for developers and affordable housing will be built.

11:08 am est 

Is Anyone Listening?

We said sell the Community Center, now you propose to give it away.

We voted no to purchasing Winslow Farms, now you are coming back again with a proposal to acquire the property

We voted no to the condo conversion bylaw yet you are bringing the same item back to us.

Ww voted at the ballot box no to raising $250,000 on our taxes for a housing program that doesn't exist.  So instead the FinCom is bringing forward a $500,000 addition to our taxes.  What made you think we voted no because it was to small a hit to our wallets?
11:07 am est 

Monday, March 7, 2016

Re: Warrant Articles

 

A Return to warrant Articles We Said No to last time

Here we go again. they are back--yes, like Johnny Carson but here's article after article just re-formulated after we voted no. Why are they back? Don't they care at all what people said before?

9:30 pm est 

Screwball HDC

 

Well that screwball HDC has done it again.  they can't seem to be bothered to do their job.  they just take the word of the applicant that 1). the house is not old. and 2). that no connection to an artist or historical figure could be associated with the house.  it took me three minutes to look up info on the house that confirms not one but two artists lived in the house in the 1970's.   And here's a little news flash for you commissioners: just because a building is not a lot on the 1850 atlas does not mean that it is not an 1850 or pre 1850 building.  Did you guys forget that ptown has a long history of moving buildings?  So the building could be very old, and not have been on the lot for 150 years. Get with it guys.

6:00 pm est 

re: Disgusting Comment

 

Obviously Trump does Reflect Republicans sentiments

when I too see that terrible reference to Rosalyn Carter and they're wishing she were dead instead of Nancy Regan. What a yuke factor you reflect.

3:35 pm est 

Warrant Articles

 

Vote No on Many of the articles one after the other and more and more changes but for what reason? Hard to make sense out of the warrant and the complicated articles on housing.

 
11:33 am est 

Re: Affordable Housing

 

SUNDAY BOSTON GLOBE

This is an depth article about the state the population is in. This is  an eye opener for all of us.

This is especially true of the people who are advocating for affordable housing.

Actually, this affects all of us.

"In 1970, 71% of the population was middle class--now it is 43%. The affordable housing situation isn't just a Provincetown problem"

Read and weep if you are renting in Provincetown.

11:31 am est 

Re: Affordable Housing

 

YEAR ROUND BUT ONLY PART TIME WORKERS-SOCIAL SECURITY ETC

I was talking with a neighbor who expressed her economic reality of working under the table and collecting unemployment and that now that she is collecting  social security--how inadequate it is.

Is this the future of people who are living in affordable housing? Affordable housing rents go up as the cost of living goes up.

Look at your life now--what happens when you don't have the energy to work two jobs? Or you have an illness?

Provincetown is expensive. It is an upper middle class and higher town and expensive summer resort for the well heeled.

How many people in their 30s and 40s and older are counting on affordable housing to save the day only to find out that it won't really save the day as the years go by?

There is a saying, "Bad planning on your part doesn't mean a crisis on my part". There is panic among people for YEAR ROUND affordable housing by people in a town that only has work in the summer season.

What is needed is summer worker housing.  AGAIN what is needed is summer worker housing.

Is there going to be affordable housing for the year round workers in this town who work at Town Hall etc? Who will build that housing..it gets complicated.

I just don't see how putting an article on the warrant to stop condo conversions is going to solve this problem when all it is going to really do is create a great deal of animosity among the property owners of multi-family homes.

10:10 am est 

Disgusting Comment

 

What a disgusting Statement on the Other blog: "Too Bad it wasn't Rosalyn Carter" they posted

this is unacceptable. This lacks decency. Again, disgusting.

8:57 am est 

Sunday, March 6, 2016

Tax Payers

 

"Stop putting all of this on the BACKS of the Tax payers of this town." 

Anybody who pays a real estate tax, anyone who pays sales tax at the market, the inflated 7% meals tax charged in this town, anybody who buy gas, liquor or cigarettes, is a TAXPAYER.  The only difference is we don't make a daily habit of bitching and moaning about having to pay our share.  Quit yer bitchin' or take it where somebody cares -- the rest of us are sick of listening to the ridiculously self-entitled chorus of complaints.

6:49 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Fire Department

 

Great job by the Fire Department today, or as Selectmen Richter calls them "the low hanging fruit" in the budget process.  Thanks again PFD. Job well done.

6:47 pm est 

Affordable Housing

 

"In 1970, 71% of the population was middle class--now it is 43%. The affordable housing situation isn't just a Provincetown problem"

Interesting.  From whence the numbers?

5:21 pm est 

Vote No!

 

Vote "No" on change to noise bylaw. These morons next to Riley's Parking lot have gone to far with their whining

5:19 pm est 

The Horse is Out of the Barn

 

My question concerns the housing stock that are year round apartments. Not including Malone's or other nonprofit housing developments, how many are actually left? My guess is under 50.

My point is: the horse is out of the barn, and banning condo's will not accomplish anything.

A tax break for those who provide year-round housing is the sensible solution. Restore the taxes on both residents and second homeowners who do not rent year round. Inspect and tax weekly, monthly and seasonal rentals.

Nobody expects the housing situation to disappear or reverse itself in Provincetown. Stop whining about your burdens and work towards a solution.

5:13 pm est 

The Citizenry's Voice Should Not be Silanced !!

 

Consent Agreement Should be On Rather Insignificant and non-controversial Articles

They should never involve all the monies spent on town employees and all upgrades to their pay and all new categories for town employees. This is not a casual amendment and it should not be treated as such.

Articles involving huge sums of town monies should not be included--ever--in an attempt to have a consent decree.

I view such actions are ways to keep voters from debating issues and changing salaries and sometimes eliminating positions that the voters have the right to do at town meeting.

Voices should not be silenced. 

12:45 pm est 

All the Kings Horse's......

All the kings horses and all the King's men won't create Timely affordable Housing Again

Face facts: large tracts of land for another Province Landing? Doesn't exist.

Number of Buildable lots in Provincetown? perhaps 60?

Affordable Housing Renters--Anyone from the Continental United States, Hawaii, Alaska and its territories: Puerto Rico et Al.

Banning Condos? Won't make them suddenly affordable rentals if they become summer rentals instead of year round rentals.

Stop putting all of this on the BACKS of the Tax payers of this town.
12:42 pm est 

Vanishing Middle Class

In 1970, 71% of the population was middle class--now it is 43%. The affordable housing situation isn't just a Provincetown problem.

Town Meeting must be very careful what it does in terms of passing a law that usurps people's right to condo their property.

If this condo banning article doesn't pass, the property owners will be so alarmed by this possibility in the future that there will be wide spread condo conversion that will sweep over this town.

It happened once where there was a scare.
12:40 pm est 

Duarte's a Sign of the Times

 

I do not like when a particular block of people that are opposed to a project like Duarte's try to write a warrant to control their neighborhood and by so doing effect negative changes to every other neighborhood north of Bradford. Sure, they have a right to do it but it is totally myopic and  selfish. If it were to pass would the venue at the end of Miller Hill Road be grandfathered for the 40 something variances they are applying for during the upcoming season?

12:30 pm est 

Housing For Seasonal Workers

 

Provincetown needs to promote development of housing to accommodate seasonal workers.  Without seasonal workforce housing eventually we will see fewer and fewer small businesses in town, especially restaurant and retail related business.  The lack of housing is making it difficult for businesses to find and retain employees.  Wages are rising in response to the state increasing the minimum wage.  In addition businesses face higher costs for insurance and more red tape from the town as regulations become more strict and costly to implement.  Small businesses will have to either accept decreasing profits or they will have to raise prices.  In the long run we will see more businesses closing which will be replaced with housing.  You can see it already as restaurants and guest houses have closed and are being replaced with housing.  The town will get along with fewer businesses but some may miss having the wide variety of places to go to shop and eat.  Without seasonal workforce housing the number of businesses will continue to decline as it gets more difficult to fill seasonal jobs.

9:31 am est 

Voter's Choise - Unintended Consequences

Yes indeed, anyone can put anything on the warrant for town meeting. Yes indeed, go ahead and put an article on the warrant to stop condo conversions in total.

If this doesn't pass town meeting this time, every homeowner of a multi family property will rush in mass to convert to condos.

The unintended consequences are that the people who vote for this who rent will be confronted in years to come with a town full of condos that the property owners may continue rent as they are now, or eventually sell.

It is one thing to be young, vibrant, ready and eager to work long hours doing lunch and dinner shifts all summer and work construction in the winter..it is another thing as one ages and is over 60 and doesn't want to do it anymore.

With the equity in their home it is very tempting to sell as condos and have economic security along with your social security.

No one lives forever, and the heirs waiting in the wings who live in other states and who will inherit property will have different ideas from PROVINCETOWN 365. They won't be magnanimous and keep renting at a loss or be absentee landlords if they are new to having property.

The unintended consequences that await the voters in Provincetown will come due in time. May you all be prepared.

Read the lead story in today, Sunday March 6th, Boston Globe about the housing situation across this great land of ours and see that what you see in Provincetown is the lay of the land. See the reality of the housing situation, of income disparity--it is the new normal, I'm afraid.

And all of you ranting and raving isn't going to change one rent or one more development going your way because these housing developers are out to make money--they aren't being mother Teresa--they are BUSINESS PEOPLE. Read and weep. Ahmen.
9:29 am est 

Saturday, March 5, 2016

Re: Town Meeting Warrants - We the People

 

Voters have the right to put in petitioned articles whether anyone likes it oe not! If voters don't want i,then go to Town Meeting & vote it down! The same goes for articles placed by the Town Manager & Bd. of Selectmen! You can't stay home & then complain later!  Stop complaining & wasting space on this blog about your responsibility if you care enough!  Don't sit home & watch T.Mtg. On PTV unless you're unable to attend! Voting at Town Meeting - Pro or Con is where it counts!!

2:44 pm est 

Re: Summer Housing

 

"The property owners I know are burnt out from the students and from terrible locals..."

I too have been burned by locals. Piles of baby clothes and televisions left behind, broken leases, and an obnoxious tenant who demanded the security deposit within a week after a move out notice to fund the down payment for his Florida condo. 

But, those who think summer people are their dream come true are kidding themselves. I mean: loud parties, pet damage (even with a deposit),demanding perks, too many cars, subleasing on the sly, leaving trash, drunken domestic disputes, etc. And you may think you can control it all, but it's exhausting.

Now I rent to a local artist at a reasonable rate, who pays her bills/rent on time, takes care of the property and contacts me when there is an issue with my house, which I address promptly. There are good renters in Provincetown, especially when there is mutual respect.

2:41 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting Warrants - We the People

 

"I dislike being treated like a silent mouse, discounted by the selectmen, in what they believe is their town meeting. Well, it is our town meeting and I hope others agree with me that it is we the people and not we the selectmen that are engaged in this town meeting."


Come down off the ledge Mary.  Before you make yourself look like an idiot (too late?) you should understand how a consent agenda works.  Any one person may object to an item being on the consent agenda and it is pulled off the consent agenda and voted on separately.

2:37 pm est 

Summer Housing

I'm all 99% booked up for the summer since January. The last place went two weeks ago when it was completed. People are posting on Provincetown for rent that they want to come here for the summer and are looking for an apartment or a share.

This one couple said that they have jobs contingent upon this guy and his girlfriend finding housing. It just isn't possible.

The property owners I know are burnt out from the students and from terrible locals and now these landlords only want to rent to well heeled people 40 years old and older.

What a shame that a certain gentleman's offer to buy the community center and create summer housing was denied. 
11:24 am est 

Re: Advice to Our Town Manager

 

The town Manager should be Listening to town votes and residents

And I mean many more than he is listening to. Really listen and hear what people want and how they want to live here. they know their grievances and he should spend more time with the town than with Gardner, McPherson and Hoort. These three do not represent a large segment of the town but only a highly restricted few.

Then Panagore can decide on what changes to implement instead of writing this article, then another article and then even more when many in town do not want these proposed changes.

11:20 am est 

Friday, March 4, 2016

Excuse Me Gentlemen!

Your blog--and it is not mypacc-- is getting beyond boring.

Either you spend time thinking or--say goodbye.

I am falling asleep reading your so-called blog.

Do something. Or just go to sleep and sleep and sleep!
10:18 pm est 

Really Town Manger

You have who on your program and she is proposing what? 

Sorry, you have only so many times for us to excuse your mistakes.

This is now getting ridiculous.
10:16 pm est 

Note to Andrews:

 

Banner quote 'the Selectmen did a bad job of running the Pier in the past'

While you like to live in the past it's now 2016.  Times are different.  Keith isn't the town manager anymore.

10:15 pm est 

Re: Town Pier

 

I can't wait to see what the pier looks like when Anthony gets done. Look at the VFW

10:12 pm est 

Re: Cheryl Andrews

 

"Noticing that Cheryl Andrews has a difficult time getting along with everyone.  Have heard her sniping at fellow Selectmen, the town manager and others.  Not conducive to getting much done if she can't get along with anyone."


Remember that Andrews is a republican and in typical republican fashion she is more interested in obstruction than really accomplishing anything.  Think back, you can think of many things she's against, but what has she really accomplished?

10:11 pm est 

Condo Conversion - Missed Opportunity

 

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU

Thank you to the Realtor who told us last year to turn our multi-family home into condos. Now we are spared having the Town Government dictate to us how to manage our private property.

May the multi-family property owners know that you have our sympathy for not converting sooner and thus losing out forever.

10:09 pm est 

From: Wayne Martin

Is there some reason why the post about Paul Redanz lawsuit didn't get posted? Its 100% factual and can be verified of is it that we don't want the taxpayers to know what's going on before town meeting?
10:07 pm est 

Town Meeting Warrants - We the People

 

They Must Want Silent Mice as Voters

The warrant is set up to have a consent Decree on Articles 2 to 9. Really? Article 3 Amendments to Personnel by-Law/Classification and Compensation Plan that lists new ranges for pay for all town employees and some new classifications and the BOS are requesting a consent decree to by-pass any discussion and debate and any deletions from this list? This is always the item that involves much town discussion and ranges of pay that some feel are too high. and yet they want SILENCE from us?

They are discounting Provincetown voters and want nods of acceptance, like a monarchy that simply wants hands kissed and bows in their presence. this is abominable and disgusting.

Then they want silence on the $665,000 Tourism budget and the spending of differing amounts on advertising, operations and marketing. Again, there is always debate on this article and should be again.

It's one thing to have consent decree on the green fly budget but this is beyond what consent decree should be used for.

I dislike being treated like a silent mouse, discounted by the selectmen, in what they believe is their town meeting. Well, it is our town meeting and I hope others agree with me that it is we the people and not we the selectmen that are engaged in this town meeting.

10:05 pm est 

Re: Cheryl Andrews

Noticing that Cheryl Andrews has a difficult time getting along with everyone.  Have heard her sniping at fellow Selectmen, the town manager and others.  Not conducive to getting much done if she can't get along with anyone.
12:36 pm est 

Provincetown Banner

 

I have to say the Provincetown Banner Is falling apart! First Its Peter Brown now I hear through the gossip on the streets Adrianne Strong and Johnna King are no longer working for the Banner!!! Who is left???The mean man who works the front desk! That's great he has no personality when you enter the Banner office!!! The paper is doomed! Anyone else have any information about what is happening in that Banner office???

12:35 pm est 

Re: Advice to Our Town Manager

 

"You have a choice: follow them or--follow us!"

Within this one statement lies the truth of what's rapidly destroying this town...that divisive, exclusive attitude of "us" (the "select people", choke) VS. "them" (the rest of us).

Your mothers must be SO proud (sarcasm intended).

12:34 pm est 

Re: Vincent G. Breglia and Gordon J. Siegel BOS Candidates

It's strange that they are running together. Also they wrote about Ptown being over developed. While I agree with that, they are themselves Realtors/developers.
12:33 pm est 

Re: Advice to Our Town Manager

 

"The town manager should listen less to them, as someone posted, and more to the town voters, the town residents, those who live here. he is, I fear, isolated and listens only to a small, encircling fewsome, that truly only speak for themselves and their self interests."

Ah, but which town voters?  Only those with whom you agree?  Who gets to choose which voters?  What expertise must these voters have? 

We hire professionals to run things for a reason. 

12:32 pm est 

Re: Local Comprehensive Plan

 

"Development that is out of scale and
character will continue to be discouraged by local regulations."


Continue to be discouraged???  This has actually been encouraged.  What a joke.  Look at West Vine, look at Bangs St., to name just two.  Give one good example where this has actually been discouraged. 

Soon there will have to be a lifting of height regulations because up will be the only way to build more.
Sickening.

12:28 pm est 

Re: David Gardner

 

Pretty much incompetent as a asst TM, should be planner
McPherson- hardly ever there, doesn't do much when she is there
Hoort - he still can't believe they didn't pick him for TM,

At least  two will leave within a year.  Probably Horrt first, then McPherson.

12:27 pm est 

Re: Cheryl Andrews BOS Candidate ?

She's either taken out papers to intimidate/block someone else from running due to her being the stronger candidate or she's not returned them for fear of not being the strongest of those that have returned their papers. Either way, lack of conviction.

And didn't she say she was only here for the reminder for the term she filled and no further????
12:26 pm est 

Re: Vincent G. Breglia and Gordon J. Siegel BOS Candidates

 

There shouldn't be a problem if Gordon and Vincent are both elected

if for some odd situation both would have to recuse themselves, there are still three left to vote. that shouldn't be much of an issue.

Still, I hardly believe that both would be elected--if even one of them wins. Hardly likely. surely not both since they are competing against themselves. Odd really.

12:23 pm est 

Thursday, March 3, 2016

Re: Advice to Our Town Manager

 

"He's his own person and isn't looking for advice from anyone"

We know what happens to those who only listen to their own drum beat around here.

11:57 pm est 

From: David Panagor- Town Talk March 3, 2016

 

March 4, Friday 9:00 AM on WOMR Radio

We will be talking about the Local Comprehensive Plan

In preparation , I pulled Provincetown's Vision Statement from the current LCP adopted back in 2000.

TOWN VISION


The following vision statement establishes the framework for the
goals, policies and objectives of this Local Comprehensive Plan.
Guidance comes principally from the 1988 Master Plan and the 1995
Community Vision Project Survey and Workshop Results. The Master
Plan focused on key local issues related to growth management,
community character, economic development, transportation and
parking, and housing. In order to establish a clearer picture of the
citizens' mandate, the Vision Project fleshed out these issues through a
public opinion poll, probing additional issues associated with the
Harbor and waterfront, historic preservation, and waste disposal.
The 1999 Local Comprehensive Plan Committee decided not to alter
this section from the 1997 draft plan. The Committee believes that
the Town Vision is still valid, and is based on extensive surveying of
the community. Therefore, no revisions or changes were made.
Provincetown's compact urban character will be preserved. We will
preserve and enhance historic architecture, Harbor views, the scale of
streets and buildings, the mix of uses, and the pedestrian environment
that characterize the Town. Development that is out of scale and
character will continue to be discouraged by local regulations.
Environmental quality and natural resources will be protected. We will
continue to expand local protection of wetlands, ponds, harbors,
floodplains, groundwater supplies, greenway migration corridors,
dunes, beaches, and other natural resources providing habitat, flood
prevention, recreation sites, and scenic resources to complement
existing local, state and federal regulations. Communication and
coordination with the Cape Cod National Seashore is imperative.
Growth will be managed to help preserve Town character and limit the
need for new services. We will manage the rate of development so
that growth is planned in accordance with available and projected
water supply, wastewater and solid waste disposal, and other Town
services, and is compatible with traditional building design, building
scale, and development patterns.
Necessary services will be available to all Provincetown residents.
Public drinking water supply, solid waste facilities, wastewater
facilities, health services, and other local and regional services will be
expanded and improved to meet the needs of existing and future
populations.
Affordable housing will be available to residents in need. Housing will
be available and affordable to all permanent residents, with special
consideration given to the elderly and young people just entering the
housing market, as well as those working in important service
capacities.
Provincetown will have a sustainable year-round economy with
increasing employment opportunities for permanent residents. The
local economy will not be solely tourist-based, with particular attention
paid to promotion of traditional commercial fishing and arts-related
businesses. To ease the seasonal drop-off in the local economy, efforts
will be made to expand the duration of the tourist season.
Provincetown Harbor will be environmentally and economically healthy
and provide opportunities for all residents. Using the Municipal Harbor
Plan as a guide, we will promote appropriate use and development of
the Harbor area, ensuring public access for all.
Traffic circulation and parking will serve the needs of residents and
visitors without compromising Provincetown's Town character and
quality of life. We will reduce peak-period traffic flow in the downtown
area through circulation improvements, increase the availability of
alternate parking locations, and improve and promote shuttle services,
pedestrian connections to parking lots, and other traffic-mitigating
measures. Particular emphasis will be placed on water-based
transportation alternatives.
Provincetown will maintain a diverse population. The community will
continue to welcome people of all income levels, occupations, and
backgrounds.

7:57 pm est 

Cheryl Andrews BOS Candidate ?

 

So Chery is working on the drama by waiting to pull her papers.  She truly believes everyone's concerned about whether she runs for re-election.  OMG Cheryl, please tell us, we can't function without your wisdom.

7:30 pm est 

Re: Advice to Our Town Manager

 

Again, the Town Manager isn't going to be listening to anonymous posters on this blog.  

But not to worry he doesn't listen to his staff either.  He's his own person and isn't looking for advice from anyone

6:48 pm est 

Re: Advice to Our Town Manager

 

"Gee, that's probably a tough call for him.  :)
(The smile is actually sarcastic laughter)"
  

 Wonder which of the threesome, uses a smile and types out what was 'actually' meant by it.

5:51 pm est 

Re: Advice to Our Town Manager

 

"Town Employees as Experts"

That is a stretch. there are town employees who act as if they know it all but that does not  make them experts. that includes town planner Ms. McPherson and often enough Mr. Gardner.

The town manager should listen less to them, as someone posted, and more to the town voters, the town residents, those who live here. he is, I fear, isolated and listens only to a small, encircling fewsome, that truly only speak for themselves and their self interests.

5:50 pm est 

Re: Vincent G. Breglia and Gordon J. Siegel BOS Candidates

 

If two life and business partners are elected to the BOS, does this create a dilemma if the two have a conflict of interest?

It seems the effectiveness of the board would be compromised if the two have to recuse themselves.

5:47 pm est 

Re: Community Center Sale

 

The Community Center should be offered for sale on the open market so the town raises as much money as possible on the sale.  Look at the properties Ted Malone bought over the years to make affordable housing.  He purchased the properties from private owners who sold the properties at market value.  That is what the town should do with the Community Center, sell it at market value.

5:45 pm est 

Re: To Wayne Martin

 

"Also a fact person or persons bought the property that the Duartes didn't even know, they would rather than to sell it to them than the town."

The Riley's were renting the Riley's T-shirt store on the Duarte property for several years before they bought the property.  Therefore, the Duarte's had a business relationship with the buyer where the buyer was a tenant on the property at the time of the sale.

5:42 pm est 

Wednesday, March 2, 2016

Re: Gordon J Siegel - Selectman Candidate

 

"Again, the Community Center has NEVER been listed on the open market, unlike Winslow Farms. Where are the offer(s) turned down for the house on Winslow or for any of the lots there? Since that is on the open market, unlike the Community Center, one believes the increased assessment is based upon these offers."

GOOD POINT. The BOS need to hear us. I Remember the Chair of Finance advising we hold off on the sale of the Grace Gouveia Building- Fell on deaf ears-It was sold for a song! What an asset that would have been for the town-they are selling the parking spaces alone for close to what they paid for the building-NO to selling the Community Center.

Do the BOS not hear us or are they so arrogant and ego driven they don't care?

11:08 pm est 

Re: Advice to Our Town Manager

 

"I Applaud the "Advice to Our Town Manager"

No one has to do it all right away. No one has to tackle so many projects directed by the selectmen. the load is too heavy and the changes proposed unstudied.

 Good advice for him--if only he is listening."
 

Couldn't agree more!  Great advice- Let's hope he hears it.

11:03 pm est 

Re: Advice to Our Town Manager

"You do not have to change the entire town in one day. Slow it down. Listen to yourself instead of listening to the triumvirate: Gardner, McPherson and Hoort. They do not represent the entire town but only a tiny segment. Listen only to them, sir, and you will soon enough and, tragically enough, fail.

You have a choice: follow them or--follow us!"


If Mr Panagore reads this he's probably wondering who is 'us'?   Should he follow anonymous posters on a blog or listen to his staff who are experts in their area?

Gee, that's probably a tough call for him.  :)
(The smile is actually sarcastic laughter)
11:01 pm est 

To: Wayne Martin

 

".  .  .Also a fact person or persons bought the property that the Duartes didn't even know, they would rather than to sell it to them than the town.
Point,Game,Match!!!"



Wayne, you keep making yourself look stupid.  The lot was sold to the Riley's who in fact where a long time tenant.  They ran the T-shirt shop for years.  So ya, Joe actually knew the Riley's.

And you say you knew him well?

11:00 pm est 

Re: Duarte's Property

 

Joe Duarte was a friend of mine. Not my father's, or my family...Mine. It is NOT a fact that the town took eminent domain action, costing Joe hundreds of thousands. They threw the idea around at town meeting, but it went no father. And it would have taken a town vote to allocate the money to do so. Joe did divide the back of the building into separate spaces to rent (the town claimed only a small portion of the building was being utilized) on the advice of a lawyer, but this was the extent of action against it (and he never "Fought" the town on this, he was just heading off what it would take IF the town moved on it). The Duarte family DID spend hundreds of thousands, but it was to clean up environmental concerns for the 21E (mostly to do with the wash bay leaching field pollution)This was from his mouth, and I had talked to him about it only a few years ago.

He also never said he absolutely would never sell to the town, his exact words when I asked him a year ago about the town wanting the property was "They want it, They just don't want to pay what I want for it". While he certainly was never going to let them take it, if the town met his number, I don't think he cared who it went to. And also, there was another family member involved who owned it with him (not his wife)that had a say in the matter, so the decision was not solely his. As far as the property being sold to " person or persons bought the property that the Duarte's didn't even know" (your words)Steve Reilly had rented the first two bays for that Tee shirt shop for many years, so they knew him, and had for quite some time. And he has expressed interest for a number of years in buying the property (they have others like it), but Joe had to wait until he had a clear 21E (that only happened two years ago)as banks will not lend on commercial property (especially automot!
ive-use property)without a clear 21E

10:57 pm est 

To: Wayne Martin

 

Wayne, How about you let Joe Duarte and his family rest in peace? I can't imagine how the alleged parking-lot-town-forced-sale discussion is helping anything beyond polishing your own tin star. Knock it off. Thanks.

10:53 pm est 

Re: Potential Stop & Shop Strike!

 

Stop & Shop

I have no way of getting to Orleans.  There is the P&B bus....but what a pain to coordinate. Stop & Shop needs to start treating their employees right. They need competition....that would fix their wagon....but right now, they're the only game in town and they know it. Talk about exploitation of workers. I agree it's a disgrace. BUT, what if we don't have transportation and are on a fixed income?

I have to check on Peapod to see if they travel this far. It could be an alternative. The specialty markets charge way too much and know they can get away with it when stuff like this happens.

1:44 pm est 

BOS and Affordable Housing

 

BOS please stop with this never ending push for more affordable housing, now it's with the Community Center. We voted to sell it. Please put it on the market. Enough.

1:42 pm est 

Re: To David Panagore

 

I Applaud the "Advice to Our Town Manager"

No one has to do it all right away. No one has to tackle so many projects directed by the selectmen. the load is too heavy and the changes proposed unstudied.

Good advice for him--if only he is listening.

1:35 pm est 

To: Wayne Martin

 

"Joe Duarte was a good friend of mine and my dads who we talked to on several occasions about the legal problems he had with the town for years, he absolutely said at one point the town advised him that they were considering if he didn't sell to them they would try to take it by going the route of eminent domain,"

Your words.  Please note "considering"  Thanks.

12:01 pm est 

From: Wayne Martin

Joe Duartes property, I don't recall saying they considered. What I wrote was that this town cost Mr. Duarte hundreds of thousands of dollars in attorney fees because they tried to take the land from him that's not being dramatic that stating a fact, that is what the man said to us for years he also said they will get it over my dead body and even then the town didn't get it!!! Also a fact person or persons bought the property that the Duartes didn't even know, they would rather than to sell it to them than the town.
Point,Game,Match!!!
10:47 am est 

Gordon J Siegel - Selectman Candidate
 

 

Posted in Provincetown Beacon

March 2 at 10:23am
 
Regarding The Provincetown Town Meeting beginning April 4th, 2016, specifically the Community Center, we would like to offer the following:

FACT: The Community Center has never been offered for sale on the open market. It is located in one of the most expensive parts of Town, the West end. The land and parking spaces alone are valuable assets the Town currently owns.
FACT: If there was a ready, willing, and able Buyer NOONE would know, The only person being considered is Mr. Savko.
FACT: The Town sold the Grace Gouveia for $710.000. The developers sold the parking spaces alone for over a quarter of a million dollars. They grossed close to 5 million dollars on the project. Yes, 3 affordable units but at what cost to the Town?
FACT: Mr. Savko is a highly successful Real Estate Developer in Winter Park, Florida. (Google him). He is currently in the process of developing (condoing) 116 Bradfford Street, next to the monument. He paid $625,000. for a property listed at $750,000. He has done other condo conversations in Town including 417 Commercial Street, 50 Pleasant Street and 10 Prince Street to name a few. All market rate condos in Provincetown.
FACT: At the risk of counting someone else’s money, we offer that Mr. Savko paid $487,500. for 10 Prince Street, a property listed at $645,000. He then condo’d it and sold 2 residential units for $675,000. and $762,500. He also owns 5 condo’d parking spaces there, currently assessed at $27,000. each. Kudos to Mr. Savko.

Mr. Savko is a developer who knows a good opportunity and clearly needs a tax break. However, Mr. Savko despite what the current BOS thinks, is not in charge. We the voters are. We told them last year what we wanted and it fell on deaf ears. This year there seems to be more concern about Mr. Savko’s write-off then OUR TOWN, We don’t need to give him this building.

If we want to buy Winslow Farms, we should vote and buy it. But how short sighted are we being to give up the Community Center because that’s what Mr. Savko wants?

Again, the Community Center has NEVER been listed on the open market, unlike Winslow Farms. Where are the offer(s) turned down for the house on Winslow or for any of the lots there? Since that is on the open market, unlike the Community Center, one believes the increased assessment is based upon these offers.

We don't need to give a developer another Town asset so they can condo and sell it in little pieces while we continue to argue about where the police station goes.

The current theme according to Mr. Richter is buy more, build bigger. “Water issue is less of a concern.” Last we looked our water still comes from Truro.

Thank you for reading,

Vincent and Gordon
  
10:32 am est 

Banner Provincetown
 
 
March 2 at 9:08am
 
Banner PROVINCETOWN
"Hillary Clinton received nearly twice as many votes as Bernie Sanders in Provincetown’s Democratic primary on Tuesday, winning by 887 to 486. Martin O’Malley got two votes, though he previously dropped out of the race.
Only 93 voters in Provincetown cast ballots in the Republican primary. They gave the nod to Donald Trump with 51 votes; John Kasich took second with 18; Marco Rubio slid into third with 18; Ted Cruz received seven; Ben Carson got three; and Jim Gilmore one.
Provincetown voters were allowed to choose 12 Democratic Town Committee members, but only nine ran. They and their vote totals are Sarah Peake (1,078); Mary-Jo Avellar (902); Judith Cicero (728); Edward Mick Rudd (728); Lynn Mogell (723); Robert Vetrick (689); Marianne Clements (686); James Keefe Jr. (667); and K. D. Mernin (623).
Ten folks voted in the United Independent Party, but no one in Provincetown came out for the Green-Rainbow Party.
TRURO
Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders ran nearly neck and neck in Truro, but Clinton won by 21 votes, 365 to 344. Four more people in the United Independent Party wrote in Sanders’ name.
Two Democratic votes were cast for Martin O’Malley and one for Roque “Rocky” De La Fuente.
Donald Trump smoked the other Republicans in Truro, where he received 114 votes. John Kasich got 32; Marco Rubio received 28; Ted Cruz got 15; Jeb Bush received two and Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina all got one vote.
The lone Green-Rainbow Party voter chose William Kreml.
WELLFLEET
Bernie Sanders scored in Wellfleet, where he beat Hillary Clinton 616 to 451. De La Fuente got a single vote.
Donald Trump retained his top dog status in the Republican primary with 134 votes. John Kasich got 58; Marco Rubio 32; Ted Cruz 17; and Jeb Bush got three.
Wellfleet voters chose Democratic Town Committee members as follows: Sheila Lyons (216 votes); Candace Perry (174); Lydia Vivante (174);Yvonne Barocas (159); Susan Anthony (152); Paul Pilcher (144); Olga Kahn (131); Priscilla McChesney (83); Richard Elkin (80); Michele Olem Jr. (73); Esther Elkin (72); Carol Lee Gips (68); Geraldine Ramer (68); Mary Wright (68); Sazanne Lawlor (66); Manuel Robert Smith (60); Richard Guernsey (54); Catharie C. Nass (53); Robert Linton Jr. (51); and Frederic A. Nass (51).
STATE COMMITTEE SEATS
Robin Louise Hubbard, who ran unopposed for a Democratic State Committeewoman seat, received 817 votes in Provincetown. In Truro she received 424 votes and got one from the United Independent Party, and she got 660 votes in Wellfleet. John Reed got 12 write-ins for Democratic State Committeeman.
Judith Crocker was the lone contestant for a Republican State Committeewoman seat and received 67 votes in Provincetown, 135 votes in Truro and 180 votes in Wellfleet.
Francis Manzelli won a seat on the Republican State Committee with 34 votes in Provincetown, 93 in Truro and 114 in Wellfleet. Devin Manning received 22 votes in Provincetown and 34 in Truro (along with one from the United Independent Party) and 55 in Wellfleet. Ronald Beaty Jr. got 18 votes in Provincetown, 26 in Truro and 42 in Wellfleet."
9:55 am est 

To: Wayne Martin

 

"To answer the question how my dad knew about the town trying to take Joe Duartes property."

From what you posted earlier, taking it was "considered".  That is far from actually making an effort.  It might have been a good idea to discuss it to see if it was the right thing to do.  But discussing it does not constitute "trying".  Please don't be so dramatic.

9:18 am est 

To: David Panagore

 

Advice to Our Town Manager

You do not have to change the entire town in one day. Slow it down. Listen to yourself instead of listening to the triumvirate: Gardner, McPherson and Hoort. They do not represent the entire town but only a tiny segment. Listen only to them, sir, and you will soon enough and, tragically enough, fail.

They are not the town. In truth, they hardly really and intimately know the town. None of them are from here. they are truly outsiders. All three are apart from the town-- but never part of the town.

We, residents, voters, renters, are integral to Provincetown and we count. Surely not to them but to the direction and future of Provincetown.

You have a choice: follow them or--follow us!

1:47 am est 

Tuesday, March 1, 2016

BOS Found Lacking in so Many Ways

 

Have any of the BOS ever been involved in building/development? I would like an answer to this question.  If they have - were they successful? My call is NO to both. They believe developers are lining their pockets. Just like any business, there are incredible costs- starting from soft costs right down to stagining. I don't believe they grasp the full picture. We will see at town meeting who fully grasps the full picture.

8:48 pm est 

Re: Mark Hatch

 

From: Mark Hatch

"I've never been able to figure out what the Finance Committee has to do with this. We don't have anything to do with how Town employees behave. That would be their supervisor, which is the person to talk to if you have difficulty with a Town employee. On a finer point, I think the thing we'd least be concerned with is cigarette smoke in a town vehicle that's going to be used until it's value goes to zero"

You are right.  thie FinCom has nothing to do with this.  Nothing.  As Chair, I'm sure that you know just how limited the FinCom is.  Administer the Reserve fund and advise the Town meeting on articles of financial import.  That is it.  There is nothing more under the law or charter.

As a citizen you might show more concern about people being forced to breath second hand smoke and endure the stench of tobacco smoke coming from the interior of a vehicle. 

8:04 pm est 

The Community Development Department is a Mess!

Under David Gardner the Community Development Department (CDD) has fallen into disorganization.
 
First Gardner, along with the then new Town Planner, very unceremoniously pushed Maxine Notaro, the highly respected, former Permit Coordinator out the door. Then the Town Planner's inability to work  with the former Building Commissioner resulted in his resignation. 
 
Early-on, questions were raise as to where were the energies of the CDD personnel being directed.
The Permit Coordinator was  allowed to take courses in Boston, with no adjustment in either pay or responsibility, with no explanation. His absence was greatly missed!
 
The Town Planner is allowed some form of absence, which has not been thoroughly explained.
Short of providing the long-awaited Local Comprehensive Plan, Gardner and the Town Manager have permitted the Town Planner to charge full steam ahead in proposing detailed modifications to zoning and permitting regulations, which have not been vetted against an established set of goals as would be defined in a "Local Comprehensive Plan (LCP).
 
The Town Planner has been allowed to continue on this misguided path despite the fact that she  has failed, after two and  a half years, to produce an LCP, from which town meeting could use as a goals/policy reference point.
 
Gardner/Town Manager are promoting this egregious misdirection in spite of warnings from Architects, Commissioners, Board Members, Real Estate Developers, Contractors and Citizens.
 
It does not bode well.  
 

10:29 am est 

From: Mark Hatch

 

"Re: Comment to Mark Hatch 

Mark, You are on the finance committee and don't understand depreciation?  The trucks value decreases value when it is smoked in. Maybe you should resign! It's Illegal and breaking the law is not an option for them."  Vincent Breglia March 2015 on Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet beacon

This guys Google is a mess 

I've never been able to figure out what the Finance Committee has to do with this. We don't have anything to do with how Town employees behave. That would be their supervisor, which is the person to talk to if you have difficulty with a Town employee. On a finer point, I think the thing we'd least be concerned with is cigarette smoke in a town vehicle that's going to be used until it's value goes to zero. But best of luck on the run.

Mark Hatch

9:45 am est 

Re: Potential Stop & Shop Strike!

Supermarket chains are lucky if they net 2 or 3%.  So any material increase in costs is passed on in higher prices. No free lunch.

So it's understandable to want to support the workers, but expect higher prices if they prevail. Perhaps you are fine with that, but many people here live on limited fixed income.

This isn't Venezuela, where prices are fixed and thus there are massive shortages of everything.
9:38 am est 

Another One Bites the Dust!

 

The talent drain and exodus at town hall continues, the treasurer, now the permit coordinator.  Who will be next?   Dig a little deeper and that place is a mess. 

 

9:37 am est 

From: Wayne Martin

To answer the question how my dad knew about the town trying to take Joe Duartes property. Because they were doing for years long before Joe ever decided to put it on the market that's why it cost him so much money in the first place. This is long before any of our current town officials even thought about running for office. Secondly if we as a town voted not to spend any more money to acquire the Winslow St. Property, who gave the authorization to hire the Cape & Island appraisal group?!! Or did they do the appraisal for free? If not that is going directly against the will of the people! Further update on the senior citizen and his insurance company that were hit with an insurance claim for damaging a Ptown cruiser for the tune of $2700.00, it will not be paid.  Nothing has been done to this point to the Ptown Chief who authorized this false claim or to the Truro chief who is helping his good friend Golden Cover up the Crime. I say this because information was reguested !
from both departments and it has not been forthcoming from either. Again this particular Senior citizen was key witness in court against the Truro polices latest of many B.S charges against me where they and they DA's office were once again made to look like fools, coincidence I think not.
9:32 am est 

Re: Potential Stop & Shop Strike!

 

"Scab", seriously?

 Nice. Many of us also live on a budget and getting to Orleans is impossible on a regular basis. Another example of if you don't agree with me then you are the enemy.

9:29 am est 

Re: Gordon Siegel, Selectman Candidate

 

Wow, working hard to discredit Gordon and Vincent aren't you?  I'm voting for both of them. why?  Because I think they will call it out like it is and cut through the bullsh*t.

What we are doing now is not working.  Cheryl is just more of the same.  Tom?  ditto.  And Louise doesn't know nearly as much as she thinks she does.  Gordon and Vincent have the ability to shake it up and not just bring us the same crap.

2:00 am est 

Re: Potential Stop & Shop Strike!

 

"Sorry stop and Shop employees but if you go on strike I will continue to shop in that store. There is no other grocery store in this area and it is not feasible to buy food at much higher prices in specialty stores in town.

Please do not make this into a good guy bad guy thing for those of us that need to shop in that store."


Yes, we know it's the only supermarket.  However, working people deserve a living wage, so even though it's inconvenient, we will shop at Shaw's in Orleans for big orders, and local stores for milk and bread.  It's ABOUT letting people keep the overtime due them; it's about people keeping their health care at a reasonable price; it's about people being given the pension they earned through years of service.  If you choose to cross their picket line, you're nothing but a scab, with no compassion for the struggles of others.  Hey, you're free to do so, but don't complain when they call you what you are. SCAB.

1:59 am est 

Re: Scammer Broker

sounds personal, like the two posters know each other and one with a vendetta.
1:56 am est 

Re: Scammer Broker

 

"You're absolutely right.  I should have automatically assumed, knowing what I do, that they were the same rotten, money-grubbing liars as the out-of-town charmers they sell to -- like you.  I won't make the same mistake again."

Another fine example of a greedy "townie" selling out to second home owners.  Greedily grasping for the greatest gain,  soon they'll be crying about how Provincetown has changed because all the second home owners raped and pillaged.  How ironic!

1:54 am est 

Something to Note

 

It must be near spring as the recent posts on this blog are disjointed and cryptic.

Everybody is starting to sound like Wayne.

How about a sentence or two by way of explication before you start your rant. Thanks, I'd rather keep my sanity.

1:53 am est 

Re: Mr Breglia's post

 

"It's Illegal and breaking the law is not an option for them."

Something about glass houses, sir.

1:51 am est 

Re: Affordable Housing

 

'Future Mrs. Yingling'...where are the registered? LOL

1:48 am est 

Re: Voting For Sanders Tomorrow

 

Tomorrow I'm voting for Sanders, and no matter what, I'm voting blue next November.

1:46 am est 

Voting For Sanders Tomorrow

  
Not much difference between Clinton and the GOP...close ties to the too-big-to-fail group responsible for destroying our economy in 2008. 

Clinton was one of their chums in Congress. 

I want to see at the White House, a chum for working Americans; someone who can start pushing legislation so that these companies start paying the billions in taxes which they have avoided paying for years. 

You and I don't have those breaks, by the way; just them.  Nor did we ever get any bailouts in 2008.

1:45 am est 


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