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  Mark Silva: A Rich Goodby

The church was packed. There was even a long line to enter St. Peter's. There were people sitting along the side pews. All the pews were filled.

We were there to attest to your legacy, to what you gave to this town and to all of us. You brought the energy for the Portuguese Festival and revived it. You brought the energy for the Regatta and revived this wonderful celebration. You gave of yourself, of your time and of your vision.

The town was there to bid you farewell and to thank you for everything that you have done for us. And you did it with humor, joy and a sense of much celebration. You knew how to throw a party and taught the town to do it too!

You were unique and you will be missed. But you would not leave without our thanks and without a party at the Red Inn. We were there with tears and we were there with much laughter and gratefulness for you.

Adieu, Mark! May the angels carry you on holy wings into eternal peace and celebration!

 

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Thursday, December 31, 2015

Dear "Second Home Owners"


I love you guys. Please ignore the rude comments toward you on this blog. You make this a better town, i.e. these nasty comments are being directed towards you probably by one sad, lonely person( or maybe a BOS member).


Sincerely,


A Year Round Property Owning Resident

4:37 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

In response to the residential exemption posting at 11:58, Thank you for your clarity, insight and common sense. I do not like when a post by anyone is reinterpreted and in fact changed. You correctly and politely restated what was said by others.

3:57 pm est 

Happy New Year!

 

May It Be A Productive and Peaceful Year for Our town

Wishes to all for a wonderful New Year and may our differences be diminished and our enjoyment of each other increased in 2016. May we value our diversity and celebrate each other during the new year ahead.

3:56 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"IT REALLY IS TRUE, 70 PERCENT OF THE TOWN IS 2ND HOMEOWNERS, THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE HERE BUT THEY WANT TO CONTROL IT ALL.  IF YOU DIDN'T BUY IN 1988, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T AFFORD TO BY NOW, NORMAN MAILER, ROBERT MOTHERWELL, AND NANCY WHORF ARE ALL DEAD, THEY AIN'T GONNA RISE AGAIN, THE HAWTHORNE BARN IS REALLY JUST A GUEST COTTAGE, AND THE FAWC AND THE PAAM NEED YOUR MONEY TO KEEP RUNNING.  ON THE BRIGHT SIDE THE CUMBERLAND FARMS IS THE $1.00 COFFEE CAPITAL, UNLESS YOU GET IT FREE AT THE SOUP KITCHEN.

FOR THE NEW YEAR, LOOK AT ALL THE OPTION, ASSESS THE SCENE, SEE IF YOU WANT TO LIVE HERE BAD ENOUGH TO MAKE THE CHOICES NECESSARY.  THERE ARE OTHER CHEAPER PLACES TO LIVE, BUT LIKE MOST YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR WHAT YOU HAVE LIKE ALL OF US.

THATS THE REALITY, AND ENJOY THE FREE COMPUTERS AT THE LIBRARY, THAT IS ABOUT THE ONLY THING IN TOWN THAT IS TRULY FREE.  REMEMBER, THE PILGRIMS ONLY STAYED 6 WEEKS"


1) Why all caps?

2) It is not accurate to call partime residents "second home owners"  How do you know if they own more than one home?

3)How do you know where people want to live?  Did you ask each and every one?  Of course not. 

4)you have no idea as to what people can or cannot afford unless you have ried into the fiscal affairs of thousands of people.

5) You said coffee at SKIP is free, but then said only the computers at the library.  How about the beaches?  How about the sunsets?  Or the sunrises?  Or a walk on the breakwater? 

Is at all possible to have a real debate based on something more than mind-wandering BS.  We just might be able to exchange some ideas rather than have to wade through nonsensical clap-trap.  All this talk about speculation of motives and desires based on nothing more than a feeble attempt to express an invalid argument.

3:53 pm est 

Re: The Marketing For First Light Is Problematic

 

 I Am Thrilled that We are Having Fireworks

but..sorry for this but..but I agree that many people here do not know when they are. they even have the fireworks for Friday. The marketing seemed to put too many things in a list of what was happening but no clarity of the what and the where and the when. Simplicity is best.

It shouldn't have been this confusing. and many in Boston have no idea we are having fireworks. That's unfortunate.

12:22 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"For people who live here full time yes! For people who think they can just keep switching their residency back and forth, that will become problematic. Why? Because the PPTRA's members have put out material suggesting people do this. That's called "voter fraud" and "collusion". So I'm hoping that many people do this so the AG can get involved. THEN it will become interesting around here, especially if taxes are not filed using a Provincetown Address. For a married couple that's all sorts of problems. It's even problematic for people with mortgages who lied about it being a "primary residence". So the (minority) smart second homeowners, if they want a war, will get one. And it will probably hurt them more than paying a few hundred bucks more in taxes a year. Rumor has it that the Town is hiring a compliance officer this year. Best of luck kids! "

Another hater, or are you the same one.

Noone is talking about keeping " switching their residency back and forth,"  Where did you get that?  If the rules governing domicile and voting rights are followed it is not fraud or collusion. WHy do you insist on demonizing people who want to lawfully exercise their rights to self governance?  I have not read a single post here that suggests that anyone should do anything illegal.  I have seen nothing from the PPTRA to indict that there is any suggestion that people should do anything illegal or immoral. 

And, please stop with the "rumor has it" BS.  What does that mean?  Nothing. Even if the town does hire a "compliance officer" what will that have to do with this debate?  

11:58 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"If you can't spell "expenditures" correctly, somehow I don't think your lack of spending is going to hurt the town at all. Furthermore I hope all you second homeowners do! That way, if there are less businesses thriving, less restaurants thriving, and less tourists coming here, it means property value will drop significantly, or are none of you aware of economics? But it won't work out that way, do you know why? Because all the businesses in town don't depend on YOU for their income. They depend on the temporary visitors, the day tourists, and the people who rent your places while you're not here (and not paying taxes on the short-term rental OR declaring it as income). So go ahead and spend 5X as much driving all the way to Eastham and beyond to buy everything you need just to not buy it in town. No one will ever notice. Except you."

Thoughtful response:
1) Don't nitpick if you want to be taken seriously.

2) Do you want property values to drop and what good would it do for full or part time residents?

3) Many partimers drive to town.  Their cars can hold the things that they would buy here.  They go through Eastham and beyond to get here and can stop and buy what they need on the way. 

4) There is much more to life than whining.  Being a healer and joiner is more beneficial than a divider.

5) Please try to tell us why you hate so much.  Why are you fixated on people who (for what ever reason) have been fortunate to own property in town that is not used year round (like most places regardless of the owners voting status).  To many it is not a second home.  To many it has been inherited.  To some it is because they have been fortunate enough to have the ability to make enough to afford it.  Does any of this make them evil and a target of your hate and scorn?  

11:56 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

IT REALLY IS TRUE, 70 PERCENT OF THE TOWN IS 2ND HOMEOWNERS, THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE HERE BUT THEY WANT TO CONTROL IT ALL.  IF YOU DIDN'T BUY IN 1988, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T AFFORD TO BY NOW, NORMAN MAILER, ROBERT MOTHERWELL, AND NANCY WHORF ARE ALL DEAD, THEY AIN'T GONNA RISE AGAIN, THE HAWTHORNE BARN IS REALLY JUST A GUEST COTTAGE, AND THE FAWC AND THE PAAM NEED YOUR MONEY TO KEEP RUNNING.  ON THE BRIGHT SIDE THE CUMBERLAND FARMS IS THE $1.00 COFFEE CAPITAL, UNLESS YOU GET IT FREE AT THE SOUP KITCHEN.

FOR THE NEW YEAR, LOOK AT ALL THE OPTION, ASSESS THE SCENE, SEE IF YOU WANT TO LIVE HERE BAD ENOUGH TO MAKE THE CHOICES NECESSARY.  THERE ARE OTHER CHEAPER PLACES TO LIVE, BUT LIKE MOST YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR WHAT YOU HAVE LIKE ALL OF US.

THATS THE REALITY, AND ENJOY THE FREE COMPUTERS AT THE LIBRARY, THAT IS ABOUT THE ONLY THING IN TOWN THAT IS TRULY FREE.  REMEMBER, THE PILGRIMS ONLY STAYED 6 WEEKS.

11:54 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"What is the rationale for this surtax on 2nd homeowners?"

There is none that makes sense.  The buffoons on the BOS are not capable of thinking things through. 

But, it is NOT a sir-tax.  It gives people who own real estate and vote in town a discount off their taxes and shifts that largess to those who have no say in the matter. 

The BOS and others in town think that they can engineer a solution to a basic economic reality.  There are not enough good jobs here to support the cost of living. That is not evil or the result of a conspiracy.  It is simple and reality.  Economic status is not permanent and can't be legislated.  The BOS can't change this situation.  All they have done is make a some people think that their problems are solved and some people totally alienated from the community.  Reducing the taxes on a few will not create a thriving community that will support jobs that pay enough to live here. This is why I call them buffoons.  This is not a difficult idea to comprehend by people that can think clearly.

11:50 am est 

Switch to Summer Rentals
 
I contacted a Realtor about changing from year round to summer rentals. It is New Year's Eve and he said that he has someone right now who will take the apt for the summer.

When my tenant's lease is up, the Realtor will come and look at the two bedroom apt.

It is very simple. I will get a third upon signing the lease and then one third a few months before the summer tenant moves in and then the final third the day that the summer tenant moves in.

I had no idea that I would get one third of the money as soon as my year round tenant moves out. There is no gap in the cash flow.

No more head aches from a year round tenant. No more excuses about the rent being late. No more problems. I just go and rent some furniture for the summer or go to second hand furniture places or auctions and voila..a summer rental appears on the scene.

I do nothing and let the Realtor find the tenant and screen etc etc etc..life is easy and full.
10:38 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"Even now, living here full time, if I am going on a vacation I get an absentee ballot. Its called being a good citizen"

For people who live here full time yes! For people who think they can just keep switching their residency back and forth, that will become problematic. Why? Because the PPTRA's members have put out material suggesting people do this. That's called "voter fraud" and "collusion". So I'm hoping that many people do this so the AG can get involved. THEN it will become interesting around here, especially if taxes are not filed using a Provincetown Address. For a married couple that's all sorts of problems. It's even problematic for people with mortgages who lied about it being a "primary residence". So the (minority) smart second homeowners, if they want a war, will get one. And it will probably hurt them more than paying a few hundred bucks more in taxes a year. Rumor has it that the Town is hiring a compliance officer this year. Best of luck kids!
10:35 am est 

Re: The Marketing For First Light Is Problematic

The ads provided by the PBG (Provincetown Business Guild) were first published on December 11, 2015 and updated info has been added as needed.  The Fireworks have been listed from the beginning for Sat, 1.2.16, between 5-6pm from Macmillian Pier.  If people decide for themselves that the posted schdule is NOT the schedule, then spread their rumors, then people get confused.  The town deciding to make changes in parking is an adjunct to the schedule and shouldn't be confused with a schedule that has been in place for nearly 3 weeks.  Hopefully everyone will have a good time, so stop complaining and throwing shade on what is likely to be a wonderful beginning of a glorious New Year.
10:33 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Second Homeowners

"I plan to cut my expeditures(sic) in this town as much as I can."

If you can't spell "expenditures" correctly, somehow I don't think your lack of spending is going to hurt the town at all. Furthermore I hope all you second homeowners do! That way, if there are less businesses thriving, less restaurants thriving, and less tourists coming here, it means property value will drop significantly, or are none of you aware of economics? But it won't work out that way, do you know why? Because all the businesses in town don't depend on YOU for their income. They depend on the temporary visitors, the day tourists, and the people who rent your places while you're not here (and not paying taxes on the short-term rental OR declaring it as income). So go ahead and spend 5X as much driving all the way to Eastham and beyond to buy everything you need just to not buy it in town. No one will ever notice. Except you.

10:30 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption
 
What is the rationale for this surtax on 2nd homeowners? Assuming 2nd homeowners spend less time here, don't they use less town services? If they use less town services, shouldn't they pay less tax?? Instead, they are being told they must pay more.  The only basis that I can see is that the Town figures 2nd homeowners have the means to pay more tax. If that's true, they also have the means to spend more at restaurants, stores, and entertainment venues.  Doesn't that benefit the town and the local economy?

Since the tax has now passed, I for one, will do everything I can to make sure I spend that money elsewhere. I encourage others to do the same, not by having only one less meal in a local restaurant, for example, but by having many less meals in restaurants, buying groceries and gas out of town,
and in seeking entertainment elsewhere.
9:47 am est 

Re: The Marketing For First Light is More Than Problematic

 

"Then they are closing commercial Street starting at 2a.m. this morning?"

Do you really want a truthful answer?  They ARE NOT.  They are not allowing parking to be sure that emergency vehicles can use the street safely.  It is not fun to have to clear a street of parked cars and risk not being able to find owners and having to tow people at great expense.  This is good planning.

9:44 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"That is the real power we second homeowners have.  This weekend do one less thing than you had planned.  One less dinner out, one less lunch or breakfast out.  Vote with your dollar!!!"



Right on my friend !  Last night cooked and ate dinner in - today having lunch in and tonight a house party.

This is coming from someone who USED to go out to eat, drink and shop here all the time.

I plan to cut my expeditures in this town as much as I can.

Such a shame - I used to come here and spend money in abundance  and loved doing so and supporting the community that treated me as an equal.

No more until I am treated equally - Ptown WAS about treating everyone equally.

9:42 am est 

An Observation

 

It seems that it is not possible for anyone to post on here without someone replying with a very snarky comeback. Is it the entire town or just a few that lack respect for the opinion of others? Very disheartening!

 

 

9:40 am est 

Wednesday, December 30, 2015

Thanks Mypacc!

 

Thanks Mypacc Because it is Rather Dull Out there

I'm glad to read what is posted here. It's interesting and current. Other blogs seem so dull.

"Dear Mypacc--I'm So Glad You're Here!"

6:57 pm est 

The Marketing For First Light is More Than Problematic

 

I've spoken to people in town and each of them as a different date and different time for the fireworks. How can so many not know when the fireworks are going to occur?

Then we hear about Open House at town Hall but only today I learn that it is before the fireworks for some drinks and I'm not sure what else.

Then they are closing commercial Street starting at 2a.m. this morning? Why? From Johnson Street to Court--but why? the crowds you might expect are those in your imagination. We don't close the streets for the Fourth of July fireworks so why now?

Please, who organized this "event"? There is no unified message and if ads went out, it went outside here. How about providing the information for those of us who live here and want to celebrate here?


Somethings amiss.

6:56 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"Provincetown has been changing and it will not get better. I put my unit up for sale this summer and sold."

Glad to hear you moved on.  My partner and I just moved here from NYC and we are now thrilled with the residential tax exemption.  We may have bought your condo and are thrilled that our tax bill will be cut.  We came here to live a simpler life and appreciate any accommodation this town can make.  We worked very hard in NYC and now are living on a reduced income, so every little bit helps.  We need to collect unemployment in the winter and that does not nearly cover the cost of living here.  The second home owners should show us some compassion. How else are we to survive without some special accommodations?  After all, we live here all year long, you don't!
6:53 pm est 

Re: Banner December 24th 2015 Article

 

Banner Article"Second homeowners cry foul on residential tax exemption."  December 24th 2015.  For those of you unfamiliar with this article the Banner quotes 2 local buisness men one saying the town is doomed if something is not done.  The second buisness owner says the increase in property tax  is minimal to second homeowners and they are objecting to being singled out.  Both of these buisness owners wished not to be named.  Surprise, surprise the buisness owners don't want to be named.  They know that second homeowners support their buisness.  That is the real power we second homeowners have.  This weekend do one less thing than you had planned.  One less dinner out, one less lunch or breakfast out.  Vote with your dollar!!!

6:51 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Sorry to disabuse you of your lack of knowledge about our town."


Oh, pity. I didn't need your lecture, being well aware that you can vote absentee to elect officials. Still, the real action happens at Town Meeting, twinkie. But I know you've got it all figured out. See, you're so much smarter then all of us. 

6:48 pm est 

Re: Katharine Q. Seelye & Stephen Borkowski?

 

That Was Surely Insightful. The Analysis of the New York Times Article

oh, oh, oh. You're analysis of how Stephen Borkowski was the featured analysis of this town and his prior "specialties" was quite informative and enlightening. someone knows a lot about his past actions and the Hawthorne Barn situation and Praeger.

thanks for presenting your understanding that helped me understand what was behind this writing.

6:46 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

We have a housing crisis in town. There is no arguing about that.  This BOS has been nothing short of polarizing and costly to the town.  Taxpayers did not pay for the VFW to sit vacant with nothing happening with it.  This BOS is turning to the second homeowners to bail the town out of their costly mistakes.  Let's not forget their stupidity when they handed half a million dollars to the former police chief! I'm still pissed about that!  We should charge THEM for handling it so badly. We have TINY school system with the smallest class sizes in all of Massachusetts costing us outrageous money, and now there's talk of re-opening the high school.  We have a pier that hasn't been properly maintained and costs continue to rise with no new revenue. The new Town Manager seems to be pandering to all the wrong loud voices. Just look at his TownFB page. I read there that we are paying our housing specialist $150,000 a year plus benefits! are you         kidding me?! WHAT A !
MESS

6:45 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"So go ahead and split your household vote, 2nd homeowner darlings. One can vote in (whatever city) the second can vote here. And one of you can take 3 to 4 vacation days to vote at Town Meeting when it occurs...during the week. Unless of course, there's a demand to move Town Meeting to a weekend to accommodate you. Not on my watch!"

What hate!! and why?  It makes no sense at all. 

But, to address the practical matter.  The unfair tax system was passed by the buffoons in the BOS.  It can be undone the same way.  No need to go to endless town meetings.  One day (or even absentee ballot) will do it.  Even easier, a few dollars to reasonable candidates.  If you and your ilk are capable of so much mindless hate then you might consider eliminating all parttime residents by passing a massive bond issue and buying all non-resident property and return it to nature by leveling all the structures.  Then you can do it all by yourself and not have to put up with anybody else intruding into your fantasy world. You can even conjure up sailing vessels filling the harbor and you and your friends risking life and limb fishing in the cold Atlantic. 

6:42 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

For 20 years my household split residency. Never missed an election. Just call town hall a few weeks in advance and the town will send you an absentee ballot. Even now, living here full time, if I am going on a vacation I get an absentee ballot. Its called being a good citizen

6:40 pm est 

Tuesday, December 29, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Part time residents, Provincetown has been changing and it will not get better. I put my unit up for sale this summer and sold. Thank goodness.
The beauty of Provincetown changes when you see how the so called year rounder's talk about us. Just didn't feel right for me.
Provincetown shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them.

Good Luck

11:20 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"No, there are Not 1,000 who vote at town meetings"

Please go back and read the post.  It did not say Town meeting it said Town election.  So in case you are not familiar with the differences, let me tell you.  There is web site for the town that will explain it all. Elections are not the same as the town meeting.  Now, after you have learned how the town is run you might go back and read the post.  It really is true that only about 1000 people vote in the annual town elections.   Sorry to disabuse you of your lack of knowledge about our town.

11:19 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

So go ahead and split your household vote, 2nd homeowner darlings. One can vote in (whatever city) the second can vote here. And one of you can take 3 to 4 vacation days to vote at Town Meeting when it occurs...during the week. Unless of course, there's a demand to move Town Meeting to a weekend to accommodate you. Not on my watch!

11:16 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Remember the question? How did the BOS Make such an arrogant Move?

The answer is 40. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eights, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,.....and then more...and more again.....and a few more.

40 what? 40 letters sent to the Board of Selectmen concerning the split tax vote. 40 letters that were cast aside. 40 letters that were not even read. 40 letters where not even the writers of the letters were mentioned. and 40 letters that were all opposed to the upcoming vote.

and not one letter was made public. Not one letter was read from this group of letters, all addressed to the Board of Selectmen and all opposed and all simply thrown away.

Had they read these 40 letters, they would have had to contend with the level and degree of opposition. They would have had to listen to the residents of Provincetown.

But they did not. They willingly placed black bandannas across their eyes, stuck cotton in their ears and went on their believed-to-be merry way. They failed to read; they failed to listen.

40 letters should have been read, each one read aloud and listened to.

7:03 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

I hope the idea of couples who are second homeowners having one register to vote in Provincetown gains traction.  There is no felony as long as you are only registered to vote in one place.  My husband and I have already begun the process.  We only need 400 households to do this and then we would control the BOS.  Think of the talented pool of people we could draw from.  Might be nice to also once and for all take away this sense of entitlement these  "year rounders" seem to think they deserve.

7:01 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I caution you:

I am not sure the current BOS would care much about being voted out.  I doubt any candidate proposing to repeal the residential exemption could be elected.

  However, you are suggesting you are about to commit a felony.  It's voter fraud- and voting where you don't live is fraud. And you  can be sure they will come knocking.

Sadly - you and your husband can't buy a town, only real estate  in a town.

Why not campaign to end the residential exemption where you really live!""


Caution yourself.  It is not voter fraud to declare a place to be your voting domicile if the rules are followed. No where does the poster say that the rules will be broken. Also, what arrogance to assume that there is a residential exemption where they live

3:56 pm est 

Katharine Q. Seelye & Stephen Borkowski?

 

Yes, the year-round Provincetown population is shrinking but the article by Katharine Q. Seelye does a bad job of explaining the problem and fails to acknowledge the efforts being made to address the problem. The tome, at best, is incomplete.

Oddly, it appears that Katharine Q. Seelye never made it to Provincetown but Katherine Taylor, a Boston area freelance journalist who pedals articles to the NYT, did.

Ms. Seelyes credibility was lost when she failed to mention Provincetown 365.

Apparently her journalistic research, or lack of it, failed to turn up the existence of Provincetown 365 Yet she did manage to come across Stephen Borkowski, whom she quoted as referring to Provincetown as a Potemkin Village.

How did Ms. Seeley come to interview Stephen Borkowski? Is someone at Town Hall directing every journalist to him? I hope not. He seems to be devoid of credibility.

In 2012, Borkowski came under fire for using his position on the towns Historical Commission, while simultaneously functioning as a consultant to Jonathan Prager, then owner of the Hawthorne Barn, where he delivered grant funding for a restoration project. That didnt go as planned; the building had to be rescued by neighbors. Prager had to refuse the grand funds.

Borkowski changes his bio to align with whatever is relevant to his personal agenda. When the whaling ship Charles W. Morgan came to Provincetown and the Pilgrim Monument Museum had a whaling history exhibition, Borkowski was an whaling history expert with a tag line and drawing of a whale at the bottom of his emails:

NANTUCKET - NEW BEDFORD - PROVINCETOWN - BRISTOL -  WARREN - COLD SPRINGS - NEW LONDON - MYSTIC
**COMMUNITIES CONNECTED BY WHALING, WATER AND HISTORY**

Borkowski moved on from declaring his whaling era expertise, to reinvent himself as an independent scholar, which makes sense because he has no formal education. Not even a degree from the University of Phoenix.

Now hes a freelance art historian? I dont think so. Whatever he is, he is clearly not an ambassador of this town, nor should he be put forward to speak on the towns behalf. Hes poison.

3:54 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Oh, I forgot one thing about this felony crap where you register to vote is where you must file income taxes from.

3:49 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

This felony thing is crap! There is no felony if you register to vote in Provincetown where you own a home as long as you have not registered to vote elsewhere. And by the way non-homeowners can do the same...you do not need to own property to vote as long as you only register in one place.

3:47 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Only about 1000 people vote in the annual election....." 

 

No, there are Not 1,000 who vote at town meetings

But about 400 in April and by the end of the night, down to 300 and then some nights, down to 200. It doesn't take that many changing their residence to turn things around. something to keep in mind.

12:42 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"When enough of us are then "legal provincetown voters"  we can throw out the current short sighted people on the BOS who have created this mess."

What a great idea.  Not so easy to pull off but well worth a shot.  Only about 1000 people vote in the annual election so an additional few hundred voters would easily swing the tide.  In addition I'm sure that there are people out there like me that remember when they were just weekenders and understand the frustration of being denied basic fairness.  If any of them choose to run against any of the current buffoons then we should do everything to get them elected.  I would run but I don't do well in situations like that. My brain goes into lock-down mode more than normal. 

11:40 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

The only problem with the residential tax exemption is the $700K limit.  Anyone who has the balls to live in Provincetown year round should be given a break.  Just because your house is valued over $700K does not mean you are rich. 

11:38 am est 

I Love the Pop Up Restaurants


Just I liked the food trucks. It brings diversity and change and adds so much when so many places are already closed.

Here's to the Pop Ups!!

11:36 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

You Wrote: "As Provincetown 2nd home owners my partner and I are sickened by the recent two tier tax structure approved by the BOS.  We've decided that one of us will now use provincetown as our full time address.  I would encourage all couples who might be able to do do this to act on it.  When enough of us are then "legal provincetown voters"  we can throw out the current short sighted people on the BOS who have created this mess."

I caution you:

I am not sure the current BOS would care much about being voted out.  I doubt any candidate proposing to repeal the residential exemption could be elected.

  However, you are suggesting you are about to commit a felony.  It's voter fraud- and voting where you don't live is fraud. And you  can be sure they will come knocking.

Sadly - you and your husband can't buy a town, only real estate  in a town.

Why not campaign to end the residential exemption where you really live!

11:31 am est 

Monday, December 28, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

As Provincetown 2nd home owners my partner and I are sickened by the recent two tier tax structure appoved by the BOS.  We've decided that one of us will now use provincetown as our full time address.  I would encourage all couples who might be able to do do this to act on it.  When enough of us are then "legal provincetown voters"  we can throw out the current short sighted people on the BOS who have created this mess.

7:32 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Why raise taxes on 2nd home owners - what about budgeting and less spending?"

"Typical remark from a 2nd homeowner, convinced their superior budgetary knowledge can far outpace Provincetown residents and administrators. We've seen it a million times, superman outsiders who think they can swoop in and save this sleepy town from halfwits. Save your cape for Tea Dance.  I'm SO glad you can't vote here"




Yes, you are glad that we cannot vote, but are more than happy to take the money from the second home owners.  Do you realize how elitist you come off?  I know...you don't care.

1:58 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Maybe you haven't noticed how many young professional now work from home and need to only physically attend one or two meetings a week. Boston is less than a 30 minute flight away. Build it and they will come. Welcome to 2016!"

Where has critical thinking gone.?  Why can't people try a little logic when they post.  What happened to syllogistic reasoning?  Yes it will be 2016 in a few days.  Yes some can and some do, telecommute.  Yes some can afford a 30 minute flight from Boston.  Now the reality,  not ALL can telecommute.  Not all can afford the 30 minute flight.  Not all live in Boston.  So, what is possible for some may not be possible for many, or most or all.  Your logic is totally illogical and offers nothing to the debate other than to demonstrate the problem of solving very complex problems when dealing with arguments like this.

1:55 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Public School

 

"Costa Rica Trip"

 

I Agree. this trip is pure nonsense

the pressure being placed on students and their families to come up with the money and even those who don't want to go, they must support the others. This school is in la-la-la-land and its focus is all about continuing to get the $3.7 million a year from the town. consider that when we had a high school--a real presence here--the budget was $4 million.

Financially speaking, this is more than ridiculous. It is a joke perpetuated on town residents. Forget the past. It is dead. Look at the present and start asking more questions about its direction and its top-heavy administration.

11:06 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Means testing for the new homestead tax relief would be counterproductive."

The residential exemption has NOTHING to do with the HOMESTEAD laws.  Nothing.  

11:04 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"While I don't agree that folks should pay higher taxes for not living here full time, I still believe you have a choice about where you vote. You only get to vote once, so make it count!"

You make it sound so simple, but ask the town clerk and your lawyer and your accountant.  It ain't that simple.

11:03 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

To the smug west enders crying about being treated differently while they homestead in other places we don't need your contributions or your  inflated egos. You might as well post a sign in front of your house that says "I'm rich, respect me or I take my money and pout." ( no offense to the west end )

10:08 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 
"Well, if you're such a great planner, as a 2nd homeowner, why didn't you anticipate there might be changes initiated by those who are getting 'squeezed out'? Save your lecture for a warm day at Herring Cove"



I never said I was a second homeowner. I'm merely stating the facts and as I pointed out, you obviously are a year round homeowner and are reluctant to change the vote in any way. This exemption does a small favor to the year round homeowners but it's by no means an answer to your plight as someone that doesn't have a future fiscal plan. Second homeowners can absorb the increase, obviously by the homes they own and lives they live. The vote is just a slap to them and it's very ignorant to think they must carry the burden of those that have not planned their futures, relying on others for handouts.

9:40 am est 

Re: A Harsh Reality

 

"many young professional now work from home and need to only physically attend one or two meetings a week"

Dream on. Young professionals demand a hell of a lot more things to do (night life, shopping, live entertainment, museums, etc.) in their down time than this town offers in the winter. And those with kids insist on highest quality schools.  Lacking those amenities with overpriced real estate thrown in; not a winning combination.

9:37 am est 

Re: A Harsh Reality

 

"in this town of 2600 in the winter there is only ONE frigging doctor"

If you think there are 2,600 people here in the winter, then you aren't here yourself.

9:35 am est 

Re: Eric Yingling-Selectman

 

Yingling is a       and a 'renter'

9:33 am est 

Re: Is That All There Is?

 

The dog is only 100 pounds...really     why so personal?

9:30 am est 

A Harsh Reality

 

Here's a question that may have some leverage. I have done some small amount of research and the bottom line is that in this town of 2600 in the wintter there is only ONE frigging doctor that works at outer cape?   Yes, there are P.A.s and all that but really?  Isn't this what this blog is all about?  Citizens and concerns? 

1:30 am est 

Re: Provincetown Public School

 

"Costa Rica Trip

Answer is yes
"

The Answer should be No Way Jose!

Why Costa Rica? why have young kids spend money to travel to Costa Rica except to prove that this school is an international school and its students travel the world because, yes, they know the world! Really, kids? It's pay time for teachers and they will more than enjoy this "international" trip.

Next time, let them travel to New York or Boston and leave the international trips for later. This just makes no sense. also and importantly, you can think internationally and know cultures without traveling there. Many who do travel remain biased and hardly get to know the people or their values.

1:24 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Who do I blame? Those that have not planned their lives toward changes that happen in every community and now find themselves squeezed, those on planning committees and commissions that have sat for years and watched as the second homeowners come here..."

Well, if you're such a great planner, as a 2nd homeowner, why didn't you anticipate there might be changes initiated by those who are getting 'squeezed out'? Save your lecture for a warm day at Herring Cove.

1:22 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Interesting to see the Selectmen each waging a social media campaign to justify their vote on the residential exemption.  A couple of non-resident morons talk of withholding donations to non-profits because of this decision and Donegan, Andrews and Yingling all share the story to justify the vote.

I don't care either way about the exemption, even though I work and live here it will probably cost me more.  From what I understand so far unless you live in a rental unit that is owner occupied the residential exemption will cost every landlord more in taxes.  One guess as to who they are going to pass that extra cost onto.

This appears to be another situation where the Selectmen, years into the housing crisis, still have no plan.  They continue to toss out half baked ideas with no real thought to the effect.

1:19 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"This sounds great in theory.  Now tell us where the year-round JOBS will come from to allow more full time residents!"


Maybe you havent noticed how many young professional now work from home and need to only physically attend one or two meetings a week. Boston is less than a 30 minute flight away. Build it and they will come. Welcome to 2016!

1:15 am est 

Sunday, December 27, 2015

Is That All There Is?

 

There must be something else to bicker about than this property tax nonsense. Let's see, do we still have a Town Planner that does nothing except expose fellow workers to a 300 pound dog. Hmmm, close the school. No, well how about how Mark Hatch was so annoying on FINCOM that everyone quit. Anything else but this tax!

2:30 pm est 

A Sense of Smug Superiority

 

Even the day after Christmas, you can find nothing decent to say?  It's that sense of smug superiority, insulting behavior to the year rounders, and greedy self-absorbed lack of gratitude for your blessings that makes this town the moral cesspit it's become.  I can't wait to shake the coating of this town's poison off my shoes come spring!!

2:28 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Public School

 

Costa Rica Trip

Answer is yes

2:26 pm est 

Maybe It's Time to Ask

 

Where is the Vision For Provincetown

Is there a unified focus for the future or are dealing with shards that fail to create even a mosaic? where is the sound leadership? does anyone know? I care but find myself with so many questions and so few answers.

2:25 pm est 

Mark Hatch-Flity/Flighty

 

Looks like the Beacon Has Him Back

From town Talk to the Beacon. Here today, gone tomorrow.

2:23 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Whoah and Wow!

Seems there are unintended consequences that the selectmen did not foresee. Yikes! remember some of these sayings:Let sleeping dogs lie and don't disturb the tiger. Well, you did kick the dog and shake the tiger and they are now enraged. No regrets? Perhaps a few. Don't you think?

2:21 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

I've tried to read,(speed read) all of the comments related to the exemption and after reading a question posed by one person, "what would you do different to raise revenue?", it seems that every time a suggestion is made, obvious year round homeowners condemn the ideas. No to means testing, no to spend less and budget better, sell and leave if you don't like it and so on. "Nothing will be allowed to change the new vote if the yearrounders have a say!!" is the what I'm reading, as if they are making progress toward free free free and that's just ignorant. The seasonal people seem angered but there also seems to be nothing they can do to change the situation and that's sucks, that's NOT good government. Taxation without representation is what the country fought off in it's infancy and now in Provincetown of all places, it's happening again.
Who do I blame? Those that have not planned their lives toward changes that happen in every community and now find themselves squeezed, those on planning committees and commissions that have sat for years and watched as the second homeowners come here and change the community as it  deteriorates to a glimmer of what it used to be, with committee members telling us it's progress and "the right direction" and ultimately the selectmen for putting the close to final nail in the coffin.
Of course none of these parties will admit to their undoing of a beautiful seaside community but hey, that's what got us to where we are now.

Think about it for a while and do something to change the mess. Something is better than nothing and maybe that little something will spark a bigger something.
2:20 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I also hope that next time anyone has the same situation that they talk with an accountant and learn that renting would have been a much better deal.  I;m sorry but, I have a hard time believing this story.  It makes no sense."

Lol. I agree!  At the time, I thought some in my family could accompany me, to the hospital, and stay with me, which they did.  Then after treatment was over, and I "stabilized", I thought it would be nice to go a few days every month, but the reality is that it's hard to pry me from Provincetown.

But things have changed now for the better health wise, and I need to be considering selling, and when people in town point to those with empty houses except for a few weeks of the year, I keep my mouth shut, for I'm guilty as charged.  You should consider sharing your sage advice with them as well.

However, I've found that, sometimes, not all decisions are made for financial gain.  Should it have always been the case, the world population would have faced a dramatic decrease. :

12:59 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Town government was founded on the basis of year-round residency. A town will not run effectively with a gross imbalance of 70% part-timers."

This sounds great in theory.  Now tell us where the year-round JOBS will come from to allow more full time residents! 

Nothing is being done to address more jobs, perhaps nothing is realistically possible, but without those this is all divisive smoke and mirrors that won't do anything to change the 70% figure.

  

12:55 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Means testing for the new homestead tax relief would be counterproductive. Not only is the tax benefit needed to help those in need, it is also needed to encourage the stabilization and hopefully the growth of year-round residency"

Only in Provincetown would a local who owns a property worth anywhere from 300k to 1 million be considered "in need".

In the rest of the country - they would be considered affluent.

12:53 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"We've seen it a million times, superman outsiders who think they can swoop in and save this sleepy town from halfwits. Save your cape for Tea Dance.  I'm SO glad you can't vote here"

Yes, we are supermen/women - we own the expensive homes and we didn't get them by being stupid or not knowing how to manage.

Your bravado comes from being safely tucked away in a little town at the end of Cape Cod - hours away from any major city which prevents us and thus, any opposition to your views
from being here. 

Why not have more town meetings in the middle of the week at 3pm ?  What working and productive person can attend - or is that what you had in mind in the first place ?

Imagine a level playing field where we all could vote - you would lose, and deep down you know it !

Off to tea dance !!

12:51 pm est 

Saturday, December 26, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Means testing for the new homestead tax relief would be counterproductive. Not only is the tax benefit needed to help those in need, it is also needed to encourage the stabilization and hopefully the growth of year-round residency. Purchasing a primary home in a community with tax reduction will make year-round residency more attractive to those buyers who can afford to purchase in Provincetown. Hopefully we will be able to attract some of the younger professionals who can work from home. Town government was founded on the basis of year-round residency. A town will not run effectively with a gross imbalance of 70% part-timers. 

10:01 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I've been a Provincetown voter for the last 21 years.  I felt blessed to all it my home.  Nine years ago, I learned I had a not quite common form of cancer, and needed to go to Boston for much of my treatment and follow-ups.  I purchased a pied-à-terre downtown, so I could stay in it overnight right after my treatments.  After my treatment ended, I debated whether to keep or sell the place, and thus far, haven't take any action.

As a second "homeowner" in Boston, I won't hesitate to share concerns, or advice on how to improve municipal services.

However, to expect that I be given voting rights on Boston government policy is preposterous.  Should my Boston property taxes be raised to a level I can't afford, or find unfair, I know exactly what to do - sell!  Suggest you take a similar approach.

Life's too short to aggravate yourself over something like this!!! "


I hope that you health continues to be good.  I also hope that next time anyone has the same situation that they talk with an accountant and learn that renting would have been a much better deal.  I;m sorry but, I have a hard time believing this story.  It makes no sense.  You certainly had bad luck with the cancer but worse luck with the good sense to evaluate the economics or the believably of this sorry tale.    Remember no teacher ever believed that the dog ate the homework.  Try something a little more clever next time.

9:58 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Bleeding the turnip... property owners who are not registered to vote in town

That's what this is all about. What is unfortunate is these folks are being asked to pony up more tax dollars because we the people have allowed single family homes to be subdivided and condo-ized.

Barbara Rushmore has been telling us for years that we should impose a real estate transfer tax. Every time she has put this on the warrant, the town has voted it down.

Seems like the BOS have found a way to implement Barbara's transfer tax, albeit after the fact, and colorized as a two-tiered tax scale. The poor pilgrims must be turning over in their graves!

While I don't agree that folks should pay higher taxes for not living here full time, I still believe you have a choice about where you vote. You only get to vote once, so make it count!

9:55 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Why raise taxes on 2nd home owners - what about budgeting and less spending?"

Typical remark from a 2nd homeowner, convinced their superior budgetary knowledge can far outpace Provincetown residents and administrators. We've seen it a million times, superman outsiders who think they can swoop in and save this sleepy town from halfwits. Save your cape for Tea Dance.  I'm SO glad you can't vote here

9:51 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"One additional line item that many would support in the budget would be the addition of an adult education program to meet the needs of the many illiterate people who call "Privincetown" their home."
11:10 am est

Have you never [made] a typo you pompous fool. Not my post but calling someone illiterate for a typo? I suppose you equate poor with illiterate too.

9:43 pm est 

Stop Calling Me and My Partner "2nd Homeowners"!
 
Oh, and one other thing: don't tell us we should change our residency and claim Provincetown for voting.  Even if we could claim we commute to work from Town - we can't, it's too far - we would not, as it would be a violation of state and federal law. 

I know, how quaint of us.  Especially given those locals who earn income in cash off-the-books to minimize their income taxes and maximize off season unemployment benefits.
9:26 pm est 

Stop Calling Me and My Partner "2nd Homeowners"!
 
We own ONE place, in Provincetown, that we saved for years to afford to buy.  We also rent a small apartment elsewhere, near our full time jobs.

Call us part-time residents. Or call us full-time taxpayers. But do not call us 2nd homeowners.

And if you want us to help out those full time residents who are living on restricted incomes, such as Social Security, we'd be fine with that.  Make the exemption means-tested. 

But it's patently unfair to require us to subsidize wealthier residents, many (most?) of whom leave for the winter, when on numerous winter weekends we are there, supporting the open businesses.
2:06 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption-Reverse Circumstance

 

I've been a Provincetown voter for the last 21 years.  I felt blessed to all it my home.  Nine years ago, I learned I had a not quite common form of cancer, and needed to go to Boston for much of my treatment and follow-ups.  I purchased a pied-à-terre downtown, so I could stay in it overnight right after my treatments.  After my treatment ended, I debated whether to keep or sell the place, and thus far, haven't take any action.

As a second "homeowner" in Boston, I won't hesitate to share concerns, or advice on how to improve municipal services. 

However, to expect that I be given voting rights on Boston government policy is preposterous.  Should my Boston property taxes be raised to a level I can't afford, or find unfair, I know exactly what to do - sell!  Suggest you take a similar approach. 

Life's too short to aggravate yourself over something like this!!!

2:01 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 "I understand that the 2nd homeowners are upset, but this is a choice for them to own a home here, this is the price to be paid, and frankly few would notice when they leave or don't buy in the first place.

How many of us full time residents really invest in them, they come, they go and sometime shortly after arriving, and no one is paying attention to them (except for other attention seeking part time residents) they leave.  Seen it over and over and over again.

Sorry, you are just not that important to the fabric of the town..............ce la vie! "


Interesting.  Some don't want them, others say how they fit into to all the charities.  As for not noticing when they buy in the first place, I think maybe a few folks who sold out bor big bucks and moved to Truro might notice. 

Also, is it a choice for resident voters to own homes here ,or are they forced.  This post is so much like all th talk about Muslim immigration.  It talks like they are homogeneous.  That alone nullifies all credibility of that mind set.   

1:58 pm est 

Re: I Miss the Logic of the Decision

 

"Why would you Appoint someone other than you on the blog you start?"

Maybe becaue he is too busy trying to keep the buffoon BOS from screwing up the town.  Maybe he is not too nerdy.. For sure, he got sucked by Hatch's arrogant BS like so many others.

12:50 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"According to the dictionary, connstituents are voters, something that, thankfully, second homeowners are not. They should never play a role in crafting policy for those who do make Privincetown their residence."

Forgetting the dictionary, I can understand why you don't want them to vote. if they could you oouldn't simply force them to pay your tax bill.

 


12:48 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"According to the dictionary, connstituents(SP) are voters, something that, thankfully, second homeowners are not.  They should never play a role in crafting policy for those who do make Privincetown(SP) their residence."

So your point is that second homeowners are only good for the money they pay in taxes.  They should have no say in how the money is spent. That is a typical opinion of many (but not all!!!) of the small minded people that choose to live here full time.  You should hope that there is never a change in legislation that gives Part Time residents a voice.  You may be in for a surprise.

One additional line item that many would support in the budget would be the addition of an adult education program to meet the needs of the many illiterate people who call "Privincetown" their home.
11:10 am est 

You Are Just Not That Important

 

I understand that the 2nd homeowners are upset, but this is a choice for them to own a home here, this is the price to be paid, and frankly few would notice when they leave or don't buy in the first place.

How many of us full time residents really invest in them, they come, they go and sometime shortly after arriving, and no one is paying attention to them (except for other attention seeking part time residents) they leave.  Seen it over and over and over again.

Sorry, you are just not that important to the fabric of the town..............ce la vie! 

11:07 am est 

Friday, December 25, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption-Maybe It's a Spending and Budgetary Problem

How much does it take to run a little town where 70% of property owners hardly use any of the services here ??


Dead on the money! (no pun intended)

I have friends that work for Truro, department heads and management, and they "level fund" everything every year. There are expenses that the town can't control like insurance costs and cost of living increases but otherwise, they don't increase their budgets and haven't for a number of years. The dept. heads even had to show a 5% deduction from their budgets as an exercise to see what the budget would look like bare to the bones. Maybe we should do the same? The selectmen have no idea how to budget, they let the fincom and TA do the work. Time to have the dept. heads do what they're paid to do, manage their dept.!
1:53 pm est 

Merry Christmas to All Bloggers

 

Sending my best to all who add their voices and perspectives to Mypacc. You make life here quite interesting. It's a diverse group but quite an interesting one.

 
1:51 pm est 

I Miss the Logic of the Decision

 

Why would you Appoint someone other than you on the blog you start?

This does not make sense to me. If the town manager starts his blog, than why didn't he control the blog himself? Why delegate this to anyone else? And why select the chair of finance? I miss the logic of the decision. Can someone explain this? It simply baffles.

1:48 pm est 

Town Talk & Mark Hatch Say Goodbye

 

It appears that Mark Hatch Has Been Removed or Let Go as Administrator of David Panagore's town blog

Seems he was "appointed" an administrator of Town Talk or whatever it is called and now, a few weeks later, Hatch has been let go--or as Trump would say: You're Fired!

Let's hope people can learn from their mistakes--the decision was problematic from the beginning.

1:46 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption-Maybe It's a Spending and Budgetary Problem

 

Why raise taxes on 2nd home owners - what about budgeting and less spending ?

This little town has the most expensive real estate per sq foot on Cape Cod - surpassing Nantucket.

With the tax revenue that is received from such expensive properties (thus higher tax payments/amounts) - why the hell do taxes need to be raised on 2nd home owners ?

How much does it take to run a little town where 70% of property owners hardly use any of the services here ??

Maybe it's a spending and budgetary problem.

11:45 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

" No one EVER accused Yingling of representing ALL his constituents..."

According to the dictionary, connstituents are voters, something that, thankfully, second homeowners are not.  They should never play a role in crafting policy for those who do make Privincetown their residence.

11:41 am est 

Thursday, December 24, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Even the BOS Chair was quoted in the Banner saying it gives money back to some who don't need it."

He should have said "many", not "some". 

6:52 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

The Floridians that have second homes here and want to enjoy their residential tax benefit in Florida but vociferously do not want Provincetwon residents to have the same in our town certainly impacts me as a resident of Provincetown.

6:49 pm est 

Merry Christmas to All!

 

Yes, Yes, Yes  Merry Christmas to all Who Celebrate this Holiday

there is no snow but there is good will and joy and Merry Christmas to all!

6:48 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"It is intended to help those who are trying to stay in Provincetown"

Then why wasn't it means tested?  Even the BOS Chair was quoted in the Banner saying it gives money back to some who don't need it. 

Clearly divisive and not well thought through

3:06 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"This piece of the puzzle is not intended to hurt the second homeowners. It is intended to help those who are trying to stay in Provincetown and those who would like to make Provincetown their full-time residence."

Well, I should hope not, but if I steal your wallet not intending to harm you but only to improve myself, what is the distinction between these differences. 

3:04 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"You know the issues that the BOS were seeking to address with their recent vote on taxation."

please tell us what you think are the issue and explain how the BOS has addressed them realistically. 

We have issues with Nor'easters in the winter.  How can we stop them.  The problem in this town is not going to be fixed by fingers in the dike.  Market forces are at work and can not be held back .  Seawalls have been built all over but with a warming climate bringing higher tides and more severe weather the walls will eventually crumble just like the economy here has changed forever and the stupid BOS policies cannot change reality. 

3:02 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"If "Dream Second Homeowner" had the pride of ownership in their well written piece of fiction, they would have signed it. Why would anyone post that anonymously? Because they made it up? lol"

And, for some reason your name didn't get posted either. 

2:59 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Please explain to me why it is OK for Florida to offer tax benefits on their real estate taxes to those that stay in Florida for 6 months and one day (and vote there) and those that can't are not allowed that same benefit."

What Floridan does is up to Florida.  Not living there at all I couldn't care less.  What the BOS did affects us here not them there. 

2:58 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"As long as you claim only one residence as your primary it is legal."

Not quite.  There legal requirements that must be met.  Consult your lawyer and tax consultant before you try this.  You must file your taxes from your primary.  There are tax considerations about primary vs others. 

2:54 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"In reality, many many many second homeowners value their engagement with the local non profits because it gives them a sense of belonging to the community, tho' they are only here intermittently.

I seriously doubt that if they have the wherewithal to own a second home that they will cut back as punishment.  Frankly, things have gotten out of hand with the grandiosity of the institutions, they need to be more realistic and tighten there belts.  Lose a few positions and make the rest work a little harder!"


It is not punishment to defend oneself from bullies like the BOS.  If people have only one way to fight injustice they will use it.  They have no vote so what should they do when the BOS or town meeting decides to keep taking money from them without sharing the burdens.  Of course they would like to be part of the community in every regards, but the BOS decided that they are only good for the money they can be forced to pay.
 

2:53 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

How did the board of selectmen go so Wrong and by-pass Public Opinion?

the answer is soon to come.

11:20 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Ate the second homeowners really printing up signs that say:

PROINCETOWN VOLUNTEER FIRE DEOSRTMENT
KERP OUT
POSTED NO TRESPASSING.

if so good for them . finally a little less hypocrisy"


Wow, poor typing , editing, and thinking all in the same post. 

Has it ever occurred to you that second home owners pay the taxes that support the fire department and police department and DPW and Schools and government?  If you are trying to imply that second homeowners shouldn't get town services, then please say how you came to this.  The PFD is volunteer and we all appreciate them.  However, all taxpayers pay for the buildings, equipment and administrative staff. I volunteer firefighters truly need help in affording to live in town and can pass a reasonable means test then I would be pleased to do my part.

11:07 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"As a year rounder here's what offends me: second homeowners ownership of Provincetown. One residence, one vote."

So would you like it be illegal to sell your home to a person who would use it as a vacation/get away place?  One residence, one vote?  Really?  so if more than one person lived at a "residence" only one could vote?  Maybe it might help if you and others thought things through to logical conclusions before typing.

11:05 am est 

Re: Lunch/Sandwich Shops That Stay Open

 

"Again thank you to the few lunch/sandwich shops that stay open in the winter. The cost to employee kitchen and counter staff is very high. These folks are lucky to break even. That's why so many people do close in the winter, the costs are usually higher that the profit. "

What total rubbish.  Businesses stay open to make money while serving their customers, not as a public service that costs them money.

11:01 am est 

Re: Erik Yingling BOS Selectman Wrong Headed!
 
No one EVER accused Yingling of representing ALL his constituentsyou must have him confused with someone else.
10:59 am est 

Dear Second Home Owners

The homestead tax break to primary homeowners is not the magic bullet.  It is a piece of the puzzle that the Provincetown voters voted for at town meeting and the BOS enacted. This piece of the puzzle is not intended to hurt the second homeowners. It is intended to help those who are trying to stay in Provincetown and those who would like to make Provincetown their full-time residence. Many of the Provincetown primary homeowners are aging and living on a fixed incomes. We hear you say that your resentment toward this tax relief is not about the money, its about the divisiveness. But for those who need this help it is only about the money and not about divisiveness. Even if this only helps ten familys a year to either remain or be able to live year-round in Provincetown, isnt worth the couple extra hundred dollars a year?
10:58 am est 

Re: And the Reality Begins! 10:57 am est 

Wednesday, December 23, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"What you are proposing is illegal.  You cannot just designate a home as your primary residence; you need to actually live in it most of the year." 

Tell that to Suzanne Bump, State Auditor.  It worked for her for a bit. 

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2010/10/07/auditor_candidate_claimed_two_property_tax_exemptions/

11:59 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I will accept the notion that most non-resident second homeowners have great affection for Provincetown, and when possible, are positive contributors to its well being."

Here's a challenge:
You know the issues that the BOS were seeking to address with their recent vote on taxation.

How would YOU propose to address these issues? 

10:09 pm est 

Re: Provincetown in the Winter-And Then There Were None

 

Now As to How Many of Us are Here

Just look at the quiet streets, the empty houses, the silence that like fog embraces this little town. Drive down Bradford, there is no one behind you. Turn on Johnson, drive on Commercial, and there is no one there. They are not here. No, not 2,800 people. They are simply the registered voters. No, the 800 are not here. Only, perhaps, the 600 of us that are left here now.

10:06 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

If "Dream Second Homeowner" had the pride of ownership in their well written piece of fiction, they would have signed it. Why would anyone post that anonymously? Because they made it up? lol

10:03 pm est 

Re: New York Times Article

 

"I don't see the coverage as negative.  I see it realistic, and accurate giving supportive evidence of what triggered the BOS to set policy to help address the problems mentioned."

I agree with this post wholeheartedly. As a long time, year round resident, the NY Times article struck me as quite accurate and echoed what has been common knowledge to locals for years. You can try to put all the positive spin on our town that you like, it still won't erase this ever growing problem. No use trying to keep it a secret. Are we worried that the "negativity" might affect tourism?

HBO recently did a documentary focusing on the huge problem of heroin abuse on the Cape. Do we want to pretend this serious, growing problem doesn't exist either? Do we want to keep it "hush, hush" lest the tourists see our Cape as something other than idyllic?

Pretending a problem doesn't exist definitely won't make it go away. Addressing it just might.

10:00 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Please explain to me why it is OK for Florida to offer tax benefits on their real estate taxes to those that stay in Florida for 6 months and one day (and vote there) and those that can't are not allowed that same benefit. Seems some want a benefit for themselves everywhere.

9:58 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

As long as you claim only one residence as your primary it is legal. You are wrong if you disagree but I will not call you out negatively as you did me. Consult a lawyer in real estate law or tax law.BTW, I am not out for myself at others expense. Try to be happy.

9:57 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

I am a Provincetown second home owner and I am appalled at this two-tier property tax structure approved by the Board of Selectmen.  I keep hearing on this blog that second home owners can afford this increase by the fact that they have second homes.  I would imagine that most can.  Why dont the people that selectman Richter, Yingling, Anthoy, Andrews,and Donnegan speak of, "the small yearround population that need a tax break"  leave provincetown.  Why do you chose to live in the most expensive town in all of cape cod.  Can you not afford it because your unemployment checks that you receive all winter long are not enough?  Perhaps you should leave and find year round employment else where.

9:55 pm est 

And the Reality Begins!

 
http://provincetown.wickedlocal.com/news/20151223/provincetown-second-homeowners-cry-foul-on-residential-tax-exemption

Can someone explain how this will stop second homeowners from being second homeowner? How will this slow down the Nantucketization of Ptown? It's already happened.

9:53 pm est 

Re: Residential Exemption + Split Tax Rate?

"I am a resident of Provincetown and therefore I will pay lower property taxes on my home with the residential exemption.  Even though I benefit from the residential exemption I do not think it is right for the town."

I also live here all year and agree it is not fair that some owners are treated differently than others.  We should all be treated the same.  Owners with property worth over 700k would also like a tax break, but it has been excludes...as it should be.  Hopefully the BOS will correct this massive mistake that they created.  I'm guessing they are already regretting it!
9:52 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Public School

 

Bullying at the elementary school..........bullying is NOT cool or acceptable anywhere in Provincetown.

9:50 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemptment

 

In reality, many many many second homeowners value their engagement with the local non profits because it gives them a sense of belonging to the community, tho' they are only here intermittently.

I seriously doubt that if they have the wherewithal to own a second home that they will cut back as punishment.  Frankly, things have gotten out of hand with the grandiosity of the institutions, they need to be more realistic and tighten there belts.  Lose a few positions and make the rest work a little harder!

9:49 pm est 

A Comment

 

Ate the second homeowners really printing up signs that say:

PROINCETOWN VOLUNTEER FIRE DEOSRTMENT
KERP OUT
POSTED NO TRESPASSING.

if so good for them . finally a little less hypocrisy

9:46 pm est 

Re: Erik Yingling BOS Selectman Wrong Headed!

 

Erik Yingling you should not be posting an article on FB about the response of second home owners to the residential tax increase. As a member of the BOS you represent all who live in this town, not just people you consider to be year round. I am a year round resident property and business owner. Enough of this dismissive attitude towards individuals that also call this place home. This town is no longer an affordable little village, that time has long passed. The repeated attempts by the BOS to make it that way again are poorly planned. Instead of directing affordability to home ownership and cottage industry, you continue to berate the very people who worked hard, made there own money and own property and businesses here.

9:44 pm est 

Re: Special Town Meeting-Provincetown Public School

 

Wow! that Poster is Current!

Responding to some comment about town meeting. Hello, Central. It's December 23rd, in case you didn't notice. I guess you didn't.

4:53 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"Remember dual home owners, when you claim one as your primary residence you will not receive the capital gains."

What you are proposing is illegal.  You cannot just designate a home as your primary residence; you need to actually live in it most of the year.  Typical response coming from a resident who knows how to play every angle to beat the system.  No wonder the Residential Tax Exemption does nor resonate to you as being unfair.  It is all about getting what you can no matter who it hurts, as long as YOU don't carry the burden.
4:51 pm est 

Re: Residential Exemption + Split Tax Rate?

 

I am a resident of Provincetown and therefore I will pay lower property taxes on my home with the residential exemption.  Even though I benefit from the residential exemption I do not think it is right for the town.  It appears that the difference in taxes will be a few hundred dollars and I don't think it is worth all of the fuss it is causing.  Moreover, I don't think it is fair to second homeowners.  Finally, I am sure this is only the start as the next group of property owners to get an increase will be commercial property owners when the BOS decides to implement a split tax rate in addition to the residential exemption.

4:49 pm est 

Special Town Meeting-Provincetown Public School

 

How sick are you to attack provincetown kids who come to sing our national anthem at town meeting?

4:47 pm est 

Re: Residential Exemption

 

"I realize the dollar amount is not that huge, its the principle that offends me."

'Dream Homeower'? So you encourage visitors to shop and eat in Provincetown. You can afford the fancy fundraisers and social events. And I'm sure you do that with a smug pride because, after all, you helped craft the town by the very virtue of the fact that you have a home here. No credit to the people who live here year round to create your little paradise. And now you're offended. As a year rounder here's what offends me: second homeowners ownership of Provincetown. One residence, one vote.

4:46 pm est 

Re: Year Rounders - "Thank You"

 

Again thank you to the few lunch/sandwich shops that stay open in the winter. The cost to employee kitchen and counter staff is very high. These folks are lucky to break even. That's why so many people do close in the winter, the costs are usually higher that the profit.

4:43 pm est 

Re: Residential Exemption

 

I will accept the notion that most non-resident second homeowners have great affection for Provincetown, and when possible, are positive contributors to its well being.

Here's a challenge:

You know the issues that the BOS aware seeking to address with their recent vote on taxation.
How would YOU propose to address these issues?

4:41 pm est 

Re: Residential Exemption

 

"The grand plans and scheming seems to be tumbling down. and now we have such negative reporting from the New York Times and the Boston Globe."

I don't see the coverage as negative.  I see it realistic, and accurate giving supportive evidence of what triggered the BOS to set policy to help address the problems mentioned.  I'm saddened because there was a time, between the late 70s and mid 90s, when our elected officials could have done something to slow down or reverse the demographic trends we have experienced since then.

4:39 pm est 

Re: Residential Exemption

 

"...and if it doesn't make economic sense you leave.  ECO 101"

Excellent point. Share your statement above with those non-residential homeowners who are having hissy fits over an increase in taxes.

4:36 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Fireworks

 

Goofballs at the PBG.

If you read the events calendar on the link YOU provided, the fireworks are listed and have been since the notice was originally posted.  January 2, 2016:  "Fireworks will commence, for the first time in over 15 yrs, in Ptown off Mac Millian Pier between 5pm - 6pm."

1:47 am est 

Tuesday, December 22, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"Most second homeowners could care less about a minor increase in their taxes if it helps the community."

Read the NYTimes article. Based on $369K condo, residents pay $685 less and non residents pay $144 more. But keep in mind, the value of most non resident properties is way more that $369K so multiply the increase how many fold? Yes the year round owners do have homes and condos on the low end but the non residents have them on the high end, needs less services, pay the most in taxes already and certainly pay more to support the local economy by far. And now they will pay even more?

Wow.
11:25 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I am your dream second home owner!" 

Well said. thoughtful, sincere and truthful. 

9:02 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Most second homeowners could care less about a minor increase in their taxes if it helps the community."

What pure ignorant BS. You don't know most if any parttimes and there have been no polls that I know of.  Saying it won't make it so.

9:01 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I ask the same question of those "poor" second homeowners. If you cannot afford to pay the taxes on your second home or real estate investment, and do not want to get rid of your "other" property, sell and move. Don't let the gate hit you in the rear as you leave! Provincetown is worth saving, you are not!"

First of all snideness does not win debates. Second, this the attitude that destroys societies. I have nothing, not a single word about parttimes afording their places.  What has been repeated often is a request for fairness and inclusion and a means test to obtain tax abatements.   If you think that "your" provinctown(whatever that is) can be saved by pitting people against each other, then you are delusional

8:58 pm est 

Re: Year Rounders - "Thank You"

 

"I am glad to patronize these fine places, but please don't try to convince anyone that they do it as a public service.  Be serious. They do it to make money."

Ain't that the truth! One local business owner has been singing his own praises all over facebook for days now,and essentially painting himself as the new patron saint of Provincetown because of all the "selfless" good he's doing for the community. He fails to mention how he's been raking in the bucks with his overpriced food. Believe me, nobody opens the doors of their business as a charity service.

7:54 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

I am your dream second home owner!

I have been a second home owner here for 15 years.  I chose Provincetown because it was a beautiful warm welcoming place. I paid more than I could have in other towns to be here. I did work on both places I have owned and used local contractors, I bought my supplies and materiels here at higher prices. I have tried at every turn to be a part of the community, I try and come 12 months a year,  I use a local caretaker.  I have always bought my gas, food and liguor here to support the community. I donate my things to the thrift store, I take my guests out to dinners in our restaurants, and encourage shopping on Commercial St. I have given money to HOW, Aids Support Group, the Bark Park, PAAM. the Fine Arts Center, the Portuguese festival, the Soup Kitchen Town Hall restoration, the Library( again and again).I do these things happily feeling a part of a community!  And even though I am not there 80% of the time to use town services, I paid my taxes proudly knowing I was helping !
my community!  A community I would love to live in , but cant as I have to be in the city,to be in a job that allows me to have this income. I live in a very small apt. as a choice so that I can have my beloved place in Provincetown. And now I find my neighbors do not value and respect me, they want me to pay more taxes than they do.  I realize the dollar amount is not that huge, its the principle that offends me. I have heard from friends around the country who have now heard of this hostile and unfriendly gesture and ask why would you stay? A question I am asking myself for the first time.
I will admit that there are some rude and privileged second home owners, just like there are some rude and lazy locals, but most of us on both sides of this are reasonable folks.
We cant bring back the quaint fishing village, we cant bring back the bohemian art colony. We need to embrace the artsy,colorful, resort town that we are and make it the best we can. This exemption is mean spirited and divisive and will only break down the community. I cant believe I am even thinking of selling and leaving my beloved Provincetown, but this move by the locals is my first sign that I am not wanted in this town. Please dont name call and tell me to leave, that is not productive. But please consider removing this exemption and letting us know that we are also a valuable part of the community that needs a voice if not a vote.
Thanks for reading and trying to understand!

7:52 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption


Praising their decision. Oh, please. People are not happy and trying to stand tall for the position will just make you look small.
7:43 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption
 
"I'm a local business owner."

And it's probably going to get worse, mark my words. Residential relief/split tax, call it what you want, one party pays more for living in the same town yet require less services from the town as opposed to those that live here year round. And if you don't think the BOS will ever have a split tax, allowing even further reduction to the year round homeowner and put the burden on business' you're wrong. It's been done throughout the state and if the BOS can make more revenue from those that don't vote, so be it. Slippery slope folks. I can read the headline now, "Local charities down on donations this year, local vendors down too."
7:40 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

It seems very unlikely, despite the threats to do so, that most second homeowners would cut off their noses to spite their faces! Most second homeowners could care less about a minor increase in their taxes if it helps the community. Ask them. This is a disgruntled minority of second homeowners complaining through the PPRTA and it's board. The minority. What good would it do to stop giving to charities and businesses in town? What sense would it make? And if these same people threaten to raise rentals on their properties, then they will be the losers, not the town. PLEASE, stop the idle and ineffectual threatening. You sound like Trump and the republican party, using scare tactics to get your way. Next you will throw more money at it.

7:34 pm est 

Goofballs at the PBG

New Years Weekend listings don't show  the fireworks as an event. Not even a mention!

See for yourself. https://ptown.org/firstlight/
7:30 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

How many times have I heard second homeowners say to the people being forced out of town because of high rent, or no rents, that if they cannot afford to live here, than "move to where you can afford it?"
I ask the same question of those "poor" second homeowners. If you cannot afford to pay the taxes on your second home or real estate investment, and do not want to get rid of your "other" property, sell and move. Don't let the gate hit you in the rear as you leave! Provincetown is worth saving, you are not!

7:28 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Remember dual home owners, when you claim one as your primary residence you will not receive the capital gains credit on the secondary home which could be up to a few hundred thousand dollars. So it seems you should make your primary home the one worth more and give up the residential exemption on the other if it exists.

7:25 pm est 

Re: Year Rounders - "Thank You"

 

"Thank you Far Land, Angel Foods, East End Market and Georges Pizza for being open all year round. To those who bitch about Provincetown not having a year round economy you should support these guys all year."

What does this mean?  I am glad to patronize these fine places, but please don't try to convince anyone that they do it as a public service.  Be serious. They do it to make money.  That's it.  Nothing more.  That results in a two way benefit.  We get place to buy goods and services.  They employ people and make money.  Great deal all around.  Now, please don't try to make bad guys out of those business owners that don't stay open because they don't believe that they can make enough money to make it worth while.  Just like you would never take a job that you had to pay your employer rather than the reverse.  You take a job to make money and if it doesn't make economic sense you leave.  ECO 101   

7:22 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"BRAVO to our Bd. of Selectmen that let their conscience be their guide to unanimously vote the Split Tax Rate! This should have been done years ago like other Towns in this Commonwealth had the foresight to do! Stop threatening us all by intimidation & not donating to social services if you want to be involved & truly love this Town where some have summer business! The simple solution is to vote here! you don't because you get perks of various kinds by voting where you are!Soooo you want the best of both worlds at the expense of those less fortunate? Provincetown won't sink into the ocean by your idle threats! Provincetown is & always was resourceful & will survive with or without you & your excessive demanding threats! THis curren Bd. of S.& Town Manager saw the light ,acted upon it & should get Laurel Wreaths for their action! Happy Healthy New Year to all,even the disgruntled!!"

Fact Check:
1) It is NOT a split tax rate but a residential exemption that applies to real estate owners who are "residents" (voters and/or pay federal/ state income taxes listing PT address.)


2) There are 361 cities and towns in the state.  Very few towns have residential tax exemptions.  Most that do have done so to shift tax burden to commercial/industrial rather than second homeowners.



3) There are very serious implications to listing a particular address as a "domicile".  One must actually live there most of the time and meet other criteria such as paying income tax.  This is not something that can be done on a whim to avid real estate taxes.  It is far from a simple solution.  Not many part time people can listPT as their domicile because of jobs, and tax laws.  Not simple at all.

4)No where have I seen any reference to part timers wanting any tax breaks that would disadvantage anyone.  All they want is equity and a means test to qualify for tax breaks.

5) Part timers have always tried to be part of the community and only have asked to be treated fairly and as equal members of the community. To say that there are natural consequences to this unfair treatment is not a threat but simply an expression of fairness.  If full timers don't need part timers to be part of the community, so be it.  Then be prepared to accept the natural attitude of people are excluded and not wanted.  

2:34 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

BRAVO to our Bd. of Selectmen that let their conscience be their guide to unanimously vote the Split Tax Rate! This should have been done years ago like other Towns in this Commonwealth had the foresight to do! Stop threatening us all by intimidation & not donating to social services if you want to be involved & truly love this Town where some have summer business! The simple solution is to vote here! you don't because you get perks of various kinds by voting where you are!Soooo you want the best of both worlds at the expense of those less fortunate? Provincetown won't sink into the ocean by your idle threats! Provincetown is & always was resourceful & will survive with or without you & your excessive demanding threats! THis curren Bd. of S.& Town Manager saw the light ,acted upon it & should get Laurel Wreaths for their action! Happy Healthy New Year to all,even the disgruntled!!

12:10 pm est 

Year Rounders - "Thank You"

 

Thank you Far Land, Angel Foods, East End Market and Georges Pizza for being open all year round. To those who bitch about Provincetown not having a year round economy you should support these guys all year.

9:44 am est 

Re:BOS Residential Exemption

 

"None of these people deserve to be called "loonies," and they all deserve a place to call home in our town."


Certainly not all deserve to be called loonies.  But if you are honest about it, there are more than a few loonies or druggies or drunks that I'm sure you'd rather not rent to if you were in that position.

9:43 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

I'm a local business owner.

Does the BOS have any idea how much money second homeowners spend here in the off season ?  They are a key part of what keeps this town going year round for restaurants, bars, commercial street shops etc.

I have talked with some of my second homeowner customers and they are pissed and threatening to consciously spend much less here. How is that going to help local retail businesses, waiters, people that work in shops from an employment perspective ?

Thanks so much BOS - you got the increase - now local businesses and the people that work in them will suffer.
9:41 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"No head scratching needed to figure out why 70% of the homes sit empty all winter."

It's not that they're loonies, but as you mentioned, they think they "deserve a place in our town to call home". No they don't! What they DESERVE is a place to live if they work hard, respect  the property knowing it's someone else's and conduct themselves as responsible adults. How many times have we heard of the renters nightmares of tenants that have demolished a home or condo, stunk it up with cigarette smoke or worse, take no care of the exterior of the property, invite other "artists" to live their, not pay their rents, demand demand demand everything and when it's time to leave, they can't be evicted regardless of reason? Why would a person want to renovate a home or condo beautifully and then give it to a stranger that "knows their rights" and takes advantage of that situation?? These propertys are investments, not parts of a renting business that an owner knows will need renovations eventually like a motel or hotel.
9:39 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Second Homeowners who are whining big tears because they have to pay a fair tax, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! WAWAWAWA! BOO-HOO. A little over a hundred bucks, total. This will surely put you all in the poorhouse.I've never seen such a selfish and self-serving group. Do you really think the year round community would give up their votes to people who use our town as either a tax deduction or their personal playground. None of you have any idea of the challenges here. You play here, we live here. Big difference. None of you will ever vote here until you live here. Don't waste your time lobbying it.

9:36 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"You Have to Be Kidding--Or You're Just Fooling Yourself"

A few people are stirring the pot on the tax issue? The dissatisfaction, the dissent and the felt distress has even led to the article in the New York Times and the article in the Boston Globe. And that is what you are reading here. Not just a few people, not just a few white caps but a maelstrom.

1:08 am est 

Platform For Ideas and Opinions

 

This Obviously seems to Be THE Platform for Ideas and Opinions

..and they are surely being posted fast and furiously. thanks for everything I'm reading. You get a good sense of how people feel and the various perspectives that are part of Provincetown. Not what is sent from one town hall e-mail to another but from one resident to another. there is a difference!

1:06 am est 

Re: Provincetown Fire Department & Truro Dept.

 

Provincetown fire should look to join forces with wellfleet fire department and beyond.Truro fire is a joke and a sinking ship. They have a new chief but same old captain and old problems. Truro four members is not a factor in backing up Ptown in any circumstances.

1:04 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"No head scratching needed to figure out why 70% of the homes sit empty all winter. Who in their right mind would rent to the left behind loonies not smart enough to get out of Dodge."

This is a perfect example of the complete and polar opposite of community. This is essentially saying "I got mine, so screw everyone else." This is exactly why the second-home owner folks are rapidly becoming the most hated demographic in Provincetown. Many people choose to live here for many different reasons. Some were born here and still have family here. Some come for freedom to live their lives openly without fear of persecution. Artists and writers have been inspired by our town for many, many years.

None of these people deserve to be called "loonies," and they all deserve a place to call home in our town.

1:01 am est 

Monday, December 21, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

I'm sure a couple of people are just trying to stir the pot going back and forth with this debate on residential vs non-residential property tax. As a year round resident property owner and business owner I thank all of the second home owners for being here. They have helped to make it possible for me to sustain my business.
I think the BOS has lost it's way in it's mission to maintain a year round community. Instead of pushing for affordable rentals that continue to turn over every few years to a new tenant, the focus should be on affordable sales. The community at the Meadows was a great idea.

3:51 pm est 

Town Hall - Not Too Happy

 

I don't Think They Are too Happy Today at town hall

All the grand plans and scheming seems to be tumbling down. and now we have such negative reporting from the New York Times and the Boston Globe. Not quite what this "regime" expected but then they hardly ever see ahead and anticipate unexpected consequences. Now it is there right in their faces. Looks like egg.

Maybe our new town manager will have cause for pause: follow these town employees and this board and you may find yourself tumbling down with them. Jump on this train and even try to be its chief engineer and you might find yourself headed for a major train wreck.

Re-read the New York times article and see if there could be some truth here. A little warning, a little waving of a red flag.

3:49 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

A pair of thoughts:

1) Comparisons of the reason for residential tax exemptions of Boston and Provincetown must take into consideration the shift in taxes away from the voting resideents.  In Boston there are very few (percentage wise) part time residents.  There is a huge assessed value in industrial and commercial.  This is where the tax burden shift goes.  This is not the same here.

2) The post that calls for a long term plan to deal with the reality that is the evolution of the town, is spot on, however, it must rely on voting residents to even approach having the chance of success.  There is no one-size fits all description of the voting real estate owners.  There is no way to even get an accurate picture of their sentiments.  It is the vocal segment that complains about the "rich" people that get the attention of the BOS because they VOTE. It is for this reality that I despair of our problems ever being discussed with a mind to finding a solution other than some paying more than others (affording or not).  As long as these vocal locals get short term solutions to their personal situations, they couldn't care less about longer term fixes. They don't seem to care much about next week or next year.  Just for now and just for them.    

3:46 pm est 

Re: A Call For a Plan of Action

 

Bravo to the Author and Grand Thinker

So well written and well-thought out by someone who knows the past, sees the problems with the present "leaders" and present a dynamic plan for the future. You are so right. those in power need to stop rooting for one specific power group and speak for all of us. they need strategy but that takes intellect and foresight, not simply arrogance.

You have presented a comprehensive understanding and I applaud the depth of what you see and how we can get to the next challenge if we can have a true community response, not a fabricated "community" group.

thanks for writing with insight, concern and intellect.

3:44 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Fire Department & Truro Dept.

These two departments need to realize they may soon be one in the same. Congratulations to the Ptown dept. for all of it's great work and leadership from those within. A volunteer department is not easy to maintain. Proof of that apparently is Truro and their lack of leadership for years. That dept. is falling apart. We need to realize that Chief Trovato may be leave some day if not on his own then because of age and then what? There has been talk of regionalizing with other departments and Truro is the closest. They just hired a new fill time chief. How convenient! Lets not let this issue creep up and bite us out of nowhere. Open discussion and planning is needed for a smooth transition to whatever may be. To hear Truro's dept. is failing is not very comforting considering they're the first dept. Ptown calls for second alarm.
3:41 pm est 

A Call For a Plan of Action

 

Sadly, the last remaining residents registered to vote will hold ON until they too can no longer can afford to live in town or cash in on their expensive homes which continue to achieve record breaking value.

The only game the Board of Selectmen is now playing is a fear game, attempting to alienate residents from the guerilla of market forces. Their victims unwisely become second vacation home owners and businesses who are the economic engines of the town and should not be alienated by their actions.

Given the toxic political environment in Provincetown, the Board of Selectmen and Town Manager have created and fostered an environment which will not facilitate a meaningful dialogue for mutual trust and respect to address fundamental truth.

HOW CAN WE BEGIN TO ADDRESS OUR WAY OUT OF OUR PROBLEMS?

WE MUST RECOGNIZE:

(1) The HORSE IS OUT OF THE BARN, our past boards of selectmen and managers over the past 15 years did not establish the long term vision and strategies to address our burgeoning problems because they did not have the political courage to put a damper on the previous generation of locals who were selling their family homes and cashing in big time to leave Provincetown.

(2)SIMPLE SOLUTIONS (residential tax exemptions, condo conversion restrictions, growth management bylaws) will never trump market forces (pardon the pun). History has sadly proven our failures at these strategies.

(3)SIMPLE SOLUTIONS AND RHETORIC are intended to protect the leaders and managers in power for their self serving purposes (control, self-engradisement and continuance in power).

(4)A LONG TERM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE BOARD OF SELECTMEN OR A NEW TOWN MANAGER will not solve 15 years of cumulative policy and decision making neglect by former leadership in town.

(5) A NEW VISION FOR PROVINCETOWN MUST BE CREATED which recognizes the following:

  (1) The current Board of Selectmen and Town Manager must cease enacting magical bullets to solve the problem. They only exacerbate the problem and engender more hostility, resentment and diviseness. Their leadership positions and rhetoric should speak to the entirety community and not just to one segment.

(2) Members of the Board of Selectmen and Town Managers  come and go; solutions must be defy the needs and personalities of the current office holders and be enshrined as community principles which defy political office holders.

(3) Solutions must be organically developed and totally community based; a Long Range Comprehensive Committee should be the final step in the process after the community is totally engaged with dialogue and consensus on issues and problems. Otherwise, the LCP will be another bureaucratic top down exercise either shelved (as the last one) or used as the new mass weapon of destruction for decision making.

(3) Until there is a meeting of the entire community in one room AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME IN OUR SEASONAL COMMUNITY (year round residents who live here fully as well as partially, renters and owners (all owners including second vacation homeowners), business owners, providers of services in the community (health, fire, safety, non-profits, etc.), etc., there will be no DIALOGUE AND SOLUTIONS. The entire community must have an opportunity to engage from GROUND ZERO, which should be our starting point, to first and foremost develop mutual and trust understanding, and through such a process, a consensus for fundamental solutions and a plan. Let's bring everyone to the table without pre-conceived solutions.

11:44 am est 

Re: Shared Future Vision

 

"Really? like the BOS or anybody in 'community' development knows anything about community cohesiveness."

Agreed but expand to all those that want others to subsidize those that don't need it.  Community cohesiveness can be achieved by avoiding actions that divide and doing everything possible to help those that truly need help.  That is very close to the definition of community cohesiveness as opposed to the posters that seem to think that others should pay for their life choices when they are really choices that they make and not accidents of fate. 

I was once laid off a job because of lack of work.  Rather than demand that the retained employees subsidize my rent, I looked for another job and eventually found a good one. 

11:02 am est 

NY Times Article

 

Nice that we made the NY Times yesterday. Did not take the second home owners long to share the bad decision making by the BOS and town voters on the rapid decline of this sinkhole called Provincetown with the most read newspaper in America.

No head scratching needed to figure out why 70% of the homes sit empty all winter. Who in their right mind would rent to the left behind loonies not smart enough to get out of Dodge.

DON'T blame the second homeowners. Blame born and raised townies who happily sold their homes, cashed out, and moved to Truro, Eastham, etc.

We live in a free country and no one has any of us being forced to stay here. The arrogance and stupidity of the inmates running the asylum should be the primary reason to move and sell.

Sayonara !!!!

10:59 am est 

Re: BOS Reidential Exemption

 

"Promote community cohesiveness through shared future vision."

Maybe the BOS should have read that before they proposed the new tax structure.  The shared vision does not include the group that pays the majority of town taxes, but secured the seat on the board.  Self-serving and divisive, the new motto for the Provincetown BOS.

10:56 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Or will you boycott the Stop and Shop too?

Yes... I will boycott the Stop & Shop in Provincetown.  The one in Orleans is better anyway and I can make a stop in to town.  I would advise all part-timers and visitors to do the same.  Why spend a nickel more than we have to in this town.  The BOS and the taxpayers that voted for the tax break do not care about me, so I'll return the kindness in any way I can.  The BOS has set the tone... us against them.  There are more part timers, so who has more clout.  We'll see.  Also we will be looking very closely at the FT resident's property values that fall below 700k.  They better be in line with the valuation of PT properties.  The Part Time residents should send a special thank you to the BOS.  You have succeeded in being a very self-serving and divisive board.  Happy Holidays to all...except the Part Time Residents... because no one really cares about you... just the taxes you pay and the fact that you have NO say as to how the money is spent.

10:54 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I see... so now that the 5 people on the Board of Selectmen voted to implement the residential exemption some second homeowners are going to punish local charities and businesses.  Business owners and charitable organizations did not request this implementation yet some second homeowners want to punish these entities.  This does not make sense and seems more childish and vindictive than anything.  Besides the average increase will only be a few hundred dollars not thousands of dollars.  If a small increase in taxes make you punish people who are not responsible for the increase then you need to re-evaluate the reasons you own a second home in Provincetown because one thing is for certain: taxes will only be going up in the future for everyone in town."

The "5 people" did what they thought was the will of the voters.  Business owners and Charities did not seem to ask for this unfair increase, however, I read nothing that stated that they were against it.  No one wants to "punish" the the businesses and charities.  Many in town want to punish part time residents.  People donate to charities and patronize businesses because they feel welcome in a community. I, for one, have never donated to the soup kitchen in Hyannis because I am not part of that community. Many here, including the BOS, do not feel that part timers are true members of the community.  So, a natural consequence of that decision is that part timers will act like they are not part of the community.  Several posts have said again and again that it is "only a few hundred dollars".  This is so hollow.  If it is only a few hundred dollars then why did they do it?  Why give a tax break to those that did not need it?  Where is the sense on equity in the community.  I have heard over and over again that about half (or more) of our full time neighbors go to Florida or Arizona or Mexico for a large part of the off season.  To me that makes them truly part timers with the only difference being that they don't have full time   jobs.  So, noone will punish charities or businesses of a community to which they don't belong.  I certainly have never felt that I am punishing charities in Hartford because I don't contribute to them.     

10:52 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption
 
Wake up! The part time residents AKA the Provincetown ATM machines have the right to stop giving to whatever charities etc. The brilliant BOS decision I am sure will not benefit Provincetown. Look how great the JARAN case worked out. Jaran got a boat load of money he wins tax payers lose and the renters vote.
10:49 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

The Boston exemption is designed to do exactly what provincetown is supposed to do... reward residents and have the slack covered of course by those that rent what they own. I lived there for 45 years. Boston just did not exploit  the idea of making non-resident owners a different class like what is happening here. My point however was that the residential exemption is not limited to properties below a certain assessed value.

10:48 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

If provincetown lost all of it's second homeowners, and all of it clubs, restaurants and hotels etc., the town would be just as well off. There would still be enough to have a sleepy little village on the edge of the world. Anyone who wants to can leave. Poor whining bunch of rich people. There is no more disgusting, selfish sound.

10:46 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

 This from another site from Mark Hatch. 

"What I find fascinating in this entire, sad incident is how utterly tone-deaf the group is. If they really wanted to rally people to their side, they would have listened and figured out a way to appeal to the voters with points that could influence them. When you threaten local charities and businesses, you are threatening the very thing you say you're part of: "the community". And that means a double-whammy because you just demonstrated, in one fell swoop, that you aren't a part of it because you just pushed two buttons certain to rile the community and hurt it, while completely missing the essence of the same community. The head of the group should have sat through committee meetings in the last year, and figured out how to do that or should have been honest with the group and told them the political realities. Because the political reality of those threats is going to deepen the division now, and paint them as Snidely Whiplash because what was said amounts to "I don't want to support what makes this community special if I have to pay a few bucks more in taxes". People talk about something "being very Provincetown". That's the opposite."



I was once a part time owner and have since retired to be here full time.  This gives me some level of understanding.  Partime residents have not initiated this strife.  They can't since thay have no votes.  To try to say that they try to rile the community  misses their point.  They didn't ask to be declared second class tax payers.  I once met the head of the group and he is a very reasonable person who truly would like to be accepted as part of the community.  It is not easy when all committee meetings are held at times when it is not possible for them to attend.  I have read that in fact they have attended some meetings and have had workshops with various town employees.  I don't look at the comments from the part time folks as being threats but as stating what are obvious consequences to having been forced by the BOS to leave the community.  Mr. Hatch says that they seems to say, "  "I don't want to support what makes this community special if I have to pay a few bucks !
more in taxes".   My guess is that they are really sayin that residents don't want them to be anything more than an income source.  If Mr.  Hatch feels that the tax changes only involve a few bucks, then why doesn't he volunteer to pay more himself?  I have the financial recources to pay my own way and so do a great many of others who live here.  Mr. Hatch does.  So why should he or i be subsidized.  In his mind, it is because of the power nor the right.

10:43 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Second Home Owners can vote here.

All they have to do is switch there voting address,
Then 70 percent of this town will vote as a block for what they want.
Hmmmmm.

10:37 am est 

Re: Shared Future Vision

 

"So what could be our shared future vision that promotes community cohesiveness?" 

Well, to begin with we should institute a two tiered real estate tax code that will give a zero rate to all real estate owners that are registered voters.  This will certainly invite community cohesiveness since the real community of folks that bother to spend some time here and register to vote will then be united in their appreciation of no taxes and a shift of the burden to those suckers who don't bother to live here.  Since we control things with our votes this town will once again belong to us alone and we can live in peace and quiet.  We should also consider charging a hundred dollars per day to park anywhere in town except for registered voters alone.  This will free up lots of spaces and keep the damned tourists out so that we can avoid Augustitis every year since there won't be any tourists. 

That is my vision for the future of our paradise.  Keep it for ourselves.  No need to put up with any of the whining BS

10:36 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"Am I correct that because my home is assessed at over $700,000 I will not be granted the new year-round resident exception that other year rounders will get if their house is valued under $700,000? This caveat is not part of the Boston residential exemption that we were told it was modeled after."

Reading in fundamental. First of all, this isn't modeled after any City or Town's Exemption. It's State Law, and is implemented as the State outlined. Secondly it, therefore, works the same everywhere: you find the median of the residents. The median gets nothing, every property below's rate is adjusted progressively and every property above has the same thing happen. The balance of the amount abated is then distributed on top of the rate for the non-residents. This means, again if your reading comprehension skills are up to snuff, that only residents BELOW the median get any break. Read that sentence again. For people who keep screaming that they are part of the community, you sure know how to make everyone not want you as part of the community. A minority of second homeowners are making everyone look like a bunch of greedy and spoiled rich people just looking for another way to screw over people who are less wealthy. So if you really feel this way and you'd be willing to s!
crew over charities and local businesses (and you think this is a valid form of response) then I have a suggestion for you: sell. The market is GREAT and you can move elsewhere on the Cape and take your bad attitude and greed there. You AREN'T part of this community and never will be.
10:33 am est 

What the Community Presently is--Is Not What It Was


There was a close community and we felt it. It wasn't even that long ago. But then Sharon Lynn Came in and with her Jeff Jaran and both were determine to create the type of community for the type of people they wanted. they used force and authority to threaten many; they used their positions to favor others. Provincetown suffered from their dividing actions and we area still feeling the consequences.

Now who really knows? It is unclear where Provincetown is going and who is leading this town. I don't see a clear vision nor a cohesive strategy to reach communal goals.

Actions have consequences years later leaving Provincetown in a type of limbo that may not be the healthiest for all of us.
10:31 am est 

Provincetown Fire Department v Truro

 

Provincetown fire department has a great system,and is well run.Thanks to the chief,captains  and all the committed volunteers.Truro need to take a page out their book.Truro fire department  has been a rudderless ship  for years. It is run by incompetent captain that knows about all the skeletons of the former chief.Unfortunately nothing changes with this new chief, and the corruption and downfall continues.

10:30 am est 

Re: Residential Exemption


"No one is forcing you to "hold on" to your expensive real estate - that is your decision." 

Just as it is yours, so if you are gonna whine about a very few hundred dollars on your tax bill, they sell out and go away.  Year rounders like us don't get to collect mega-bucks for renting out to tourists, so consider it a "tax on rental income".  P.S. Compared to what many own, our little condo home is CHEAP.

"We don't get to walk 3 blocks down the street to our job - or have half days on Fridays nor do we expect that we have the right to live in a town, simply because we work there." 

Neither do MOST of us; rather, many have to work 2, 3 and 4 jobs, up to 16 hours a day, just to keep up.  So, as you are fond of telling US, "If you don't like it, LEAVE"

10:28 am est 

Sunday, December 20, 2015

Re: Looking to 2016

 

"So what could be our shared future vision that promotes community cohesiveness?"


Really? like the BOS or anybody in 'community' development knows anything about community cohesiveness.

11:30 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Am I correct that because my home is assessed at over $700,000 I will not be granted the new year-round resident exception that other year rounders will get if their house is valued under $700,000? This caveat is not part of the Boston residential exemption that we were told  it was modeled after."

The Boston residential tax was NOT designed to tax second home owners more.  It was designed to lower taxes on non-residential in order to lower taxes on residents.  The percentage of second home owners in places like Boston is almost non- existent.  Anybody that tries to equate what the BOS did here to what cities around Boston have done is either ignorant of fact or deliberately deceptive. 

11:14 am est 

Provincetown Fire Department-Time to Say Thank You!

 

Well, since someone is commenting on Truro Fire Department Maybe It's time

to give praise where praise is due. and that is Provincetown's amazing fire department. We are one of few towns that have a volunteer fire department. At this time and place, it is amazing. And they do so much and yet do not find themselves being carried for huge amounts on our town budget. And yet---do we really appreciate them? do we really see how much they have saved us in taxes? they are not asking for millions to do a heating system or a roof improvement. they do not even ask us for salaries for the many who volunteer. and Mike Travato gets so little for all that he does. And Mike Travato is on 24/7. He is always ready for any emergency and ready to lead his team when we are in crisis.

time to say thank you and time to make sure that Mike Travato has health insurance and a pension.

11:12 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"What a childish and nasty bunch of threats! This is all the second homeowners in this town care about is money. No consideration for the year-round community! This is the proof, the prevailing attitude of many second homeowners. Not all! The fact remains that by not supporting local businesses or causes that you will only hurt businesses and not those of us who already don't care for your self-serving attitude. Empty threats!! It must kill you to realize that not one of us who are part of this community cares, silly threats! "I'm taking my toys and going home", boo-hoo. Empty threats.
And so far as the current BOS. This is the strongest, most caring and intelligent Board of Selectmen to serve this Town in years. They are concerned about the future of our community and it's survival, and that benefits EVERYBODY who has property here. To say those awful, untrue things about hard-working volunteers who sincerely care about the community does nothing to advance the causes of our town. It shows the selfish and self-serving individuals that you are! Try caring about the community, it is important."


Please read what this says.  It totally contradicts itself.  Partimers are threatening to stop giving to the various charities.  That means that they ARE giving to th various charities.  And, that mean that they CARE about the community.  So, the BOS really care about benefits for "EVERYBODY"?  So that means that unless you are registered to vot here you are not a member of the community?  Very convoluted at best.

11:10 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"This is all the second homeowners in this town care about is money. No consideration for the year-round community!"


Hold on there.  Who raised the taxes on the partimers?  If that is not about greed and money then what is?  Partimers pay lots of taxes, but where is it written that they should subsidize all full timers regardless of ability to pay? We all know people who are regaistered voters here who don't need to be subsidized yet this tax scheme forces others to pay part of their taxes.  Is that all about greed and money?

10:55 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"You are just a spoiled looser!"

So if I am a "looser" does that mean that you are a tighter?

The silly BS that preceded the above is the product of a mind that is disconnected from reality.  Take away the shops and restaurants and what does town have for the thousands of tourists who are the big assets.

10:53 am est 

Looking to 2016

Since it's almost the end of 2015 and we have the new, blank canvas of 2016 before us, why don't we share our vision of what we would like town to become over the next year? Remember, part of this site's stated mission is: "Promote community cohesiveness through shared future vision." So what could be our shared future vision that promotes community cohesiveness?
10:52 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Thanks to the BOS, who are finally doing something to show respect to the struggles of hard-working year-rounders in their struggles to hold onto their first-and-ONLY-homes...!"

PLEASE ! You have made a choice to purchase a home and live here, in one of the most expensive real estate towns in Massachusetts. No one is forcing you to "hold on" to your expensive real estate - that is your decision.

We don't get to walk 3 blocks down the street to our job - or have half days on Fridays nor do we expect that we have the right to live in a town, simply because we work there.

10:50 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

I see... so now that the 5 people on the Board of Selectmen voted to implement the residential exemption some second homeowners are going to punish local charities and businesses.  Business owners and charitable organizations did not request this implementation yet some second homeowners want to punish these entities.  This does not make sense and seems more childish and vindictive than anything.  Besides the average increase will only be a few hundred dollars not thousands of dollars.  If a small increase in taxes make you punish people who are not responsible for the increase then you need to re-evaluate the reasons you own a second home in Provincetown because one thing is for certain: taxes will only be going up in the future for everyone in town.  Perhaps it is time for you to move on rather than staying in Provincetown shopping at the Stop and Shop and eating at home all the time.  Or will you boycott the Stop and Shop too?

10:49 am est 

Truro Fire Department

 

What's going on with Truro fire department? They have less than ten members working shifts covering the station, and now about to make controversial move to get rid of some members. Who is going to serve our community in times of disaster? They need to recruit members! NOT cut members! 

10:47 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Thanks to the BOS, who are finally doing something to show respect to the struggles of hard-working year-rounders in their struggles to hold onto their first-and-ONLY-homes...!"

When I first read this I thought it was tongue-in -cheek, but then on a second read almost fell over in disbelief.  "struggles of hard working year rounders??"  So all year rounders are hard working and struggling?? And the moon is cream cheese and Donald Trump believes everything he says.  If partimers could vote, do you think that the silly and self interested BOS would ever do this?  Of course not.  If there were a referendum would the majority of good people in town vote it in?  Of course not.  It is just plain wrong to ask people who have no say in the matter to subsidize others who may or may not need help. I agree with the posters who think that this will hurt the town in the long run.  Wait to see what donations are to SKIP.  To CASAS.  To the swim.  To PAAM.  To the fireworks.  You can make up for it with your tax theft.  

10:45 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption
 
That was really stupid. Talk about killing the golden goose! Second homeowners own some if not most of the more expensive propertys in the town and now, because the selectmen want to be re-elected to their positions, you know, by the people that live year-round here, they give the year-rounders another way to NOT pay their fair share. How many more freebees can the layabouts get? And don't tell me the second homeowners don't contribute to the local economy far more then the locals do. That's BS and you know it.

Way to go selectmen, you just exposed yourselves as the "us versus them" board. First one ever. So much for being a united town.

BTW, anyone else notice the creepy look Yingling gave the young woman that applied for the waterboard? YUK!
10:43 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

So we are raising taxes on second home owners

Nobody cares if you stop giving to local causes.  The town can do without your perceived generosity.

Local restraints and their employees don't need your business.  Stay locked up in your McMansion and only go out to make a run to our Stop & Shop.

Go ahead and raise the rent on your house.  It has no impact on us.  This just is another example of your greediness and only caring about yourself.

As far as you not supporting the local shops with your gift and clothing purchases... who cares?  We shop elsewhere too.  Most of these shops are owned and run by part time residents who don't really care about the back bone of this community.

Who really cares if it comes down to us versus them?  The locals will always win, because we have the power to vote and you don't.  Just try to do something about that.  You are just a spoiled looser!

10:41 am est 

Re: Speeding Cars

 

"the       motorcycle cop was parked near the Truro line with her radar gun pointed at the cars and trucks going to Provincetown."

Certainly a charming way to welcome the few people who visit town.

10:34 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"1) I'm stopping giving to local causes

2) No more eating out year round and leaving 25% or 30% tips

3) I'm raising my weekly summer rents to make up the difference and visitors will have less money to spend in town - eating out etc.

4) STOP AND SHOP will be the main receiptient of this second home owners money from now on.

5) No more buying expensive clothes in town or gifts for friends - can get them somewhere else where I am treated equally."


What a childish and nasty bunch of threats! This is all the second homeowners in this town care about is money. No consideration for the year-round community! This is the proof, the prevailing attitude of many second homeowners. Not all! The fact remains that by not supporting local businesses or causes that you will only hurt businesses and not those of us who already don't care for your self-serving attitude. Empty threats!! It must kill you to realize that not one of us who are part of this community cares, silly threats! "I'm taking my toys and going home", boo-hoo. Empty threats.
And so far as the current BOS. This is the strongest, most caring and intelligent Board of Selectmen to serve this Town in years. They are concerned about the future of our community and it's survival, and that benefits EVERYBODY who has property here. To say those awful, untrue things about hard-working volunteers who sincerely care about the community does nothing to advance the causes of our town. It shows the selfish and self-serving individuals that you are! Try caring about the community, it is important.

10:32 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

To the person who will stop giving due to 2nd homeowners
Tax. Here's what you tell us townIes......

Move!
10:30 am est 

Re: Speeding Cars

 

The motorcycle police      is better served staying out of town rather than dealing with us in town.       always rude in     interactions. But, I have to agree that there is never any policeman slowing traffic down on Bradford Street. I was nearly hit while walking my dog because of the speed of the vehicle. Please new Mr. Town Manager, ask them to do there jobs that we pay dearly for.

10:27 am est 

Saturday, December 19, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Am I correct that because my home is assessed at over $700,000 I will not be granted the new year-round resident exception that other year rounders will get if their house is valued under $700,000? This caveat is not part of the Boston residential exemption that we were told  it was modeled after.

10:11 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

So we are raising taxes on second home owners ??

Okay well -

1) I'm stopping giving to local causes

2) No more eating out year round and leaving 25% or 30% tips

3) I'm raising my weekly summer rents to make up the difference and visitors will have less money to spend in town - eating out etc.

4) STOP AND SHOP will be the main receiptient of this second home owners money from now on.

5) No more buying expensive clothes in town or gifts for friends - can get them somewhere else where I am treated equally.

10:10 am est 

Re: BOS Interference?

 

 I am appauled with the three egomaniac  BOS. They are self serving and are acting in their own best interest- not the Town. The  worst self serving offender is Richter. He promised the world and has proven he is there to only promote his own  financial well being. He doesnt give a shit about   this town. As far Tom Donegan- he is merely an ego driven power hungry pompass ass. As far as Yingling. Well- he follows the pack. Lets get rid of these  three bafoons in the next election. I never  thought i would say it but they are worse than the previous BOS.  Sad but true.

10:08 am est 

Friday, December 18, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Thanks to the BOS, who are finally doing something to show respect to the struggles of hard-working year-rounders in their struggles to hold onto their first-and-ONLY-homes...!

9:25 pm est 

Rob Tosner

 

Rob Tosner you will never get the commission on the sale of my home, never. That moron ex chief of police and his          girlfriend are in town at your Christmas party. Oh, and rest assured that I will make sure that I will never refer a friend or client to you either.

9:24 pm est 

Speeding Cars

 

I was walking on Bradford St going to Skip for lunch the other day and could not believe how fast the trucks were going.This happens every day but there are never any police to slow them down of give them tickets. But when riding the bus back from up cape recently, the        motorcycle cop was parked near the Truro line with     radar gun pointed at the cars and trucks going to Provincetown. Why isn't      parked on Bradford St where the real danger to pedestrians from speeders exists? Does the new chief tell      and others where to watch the traffic? If so, why not on Bradford? Seems stupid to me.

9:22 pm est 

Re: BOS Interference?

"The actions taken by the BOS relative to the HDC will be ruled to be illegal"

"????? BY WHOM?" 

 By the Town Clerk, Town Counsel and/or the State Attorney General. In that order. the BOS (3) already knows and will have to reconvene to make corrections to their ill conceived plans.  

8:51 pm est 

Re: BOS Interference?

 

"The actions taken by the BOS relative to the HDC will be ruled to be illegal"

????? BY WHOM?

6:21 pm est 

Re: BOS Interference?

 

Prediction: The actions taken by the BOS, relative to the Historic District Commission, will be ruled legally inappropriate. As a result of the inappropriateness of their actions on  December 15th, there are three HDC Commissioners who now exist in limbo.

One Commissioner's position was left unresolved by inaction, and one received a vote of 2 "for" and 1 "abstention", which was ruled as an "affirmative" vote , when in actuality, it required a 3 "for"  vote in the affirmative. What is not understandable is the new Town Managers concluding that the vote was valid in the affirmative as he is a lawyer? Watch it on PTV. See for your self.

Another  board member was never notified of his term having expired. Who's resposible for this?

What gives? You mean to tell me  that neither the Chair, Vice Chair nor the 3 other  board members were aware of this fact.

Thank God for PTV! 

Each day I lose my faith in this group. It's like death by a thousand cuts. They seem no better than the previous administration. I  am willing to give this new town manager more consideration, as he is new. But, things are looking a bit shaky. 

3:55 pm est 

Re: HDC Dr. Marcene Marcoux

 

"I would like to thank Dr. Marcene Marcoux for all of the time and quality service she has rendered the town, and appreciate that she "re-upped" to serve another term on the Historic District Commission."


Karma is a bitch huh?   Backlash from this blog.  Clarence and Marcene pushed out of town government.

1:34 pm est 

Re: BOS Interference?

"What's with a certain Selectman who sent an e-mail to a long-time committee chair telling him ..."


"If Clarence will post it:
Yingling sent an e-mail to David Nicklau telling him to not apply for re-appointment"



So did David apply for reappointment and did he get reappointed?
12:17 pm est 

Re: BOS Interference?

 

It does appear that the triumvirate of Donegan, Yingling and Richter are making a power move to completely control the various boards including the regulatory boards, which function solely under Massachusetts and Provincetown By-Laws. The Zoning, Health and Historic District Commission boards are quasi judicial bodies that are restricted by law and precedence, thus they operate independent of any BOS proscritions which are in conflict with state and local statutes. 

Their most recent, though less than subtle, attempts to achieve this control by the elimination of certain board members deemed by them as obdurate, is nothing more than a gross misapplication of authority. 

It seems we have been there before.    

 

 


11:58 am est 

Re: HDC Dr. Marcene Marcoux

 

Kuddos to Marcene- !! She is a great asset to the HDC!

11:08 am est 

Re: BOS Interference?

 

"I watched the Dec. 15th BOS meeting and am totally confused as to what happened during the reappointment of Historic District Commission members.

The Chairman abstained from voting on any HDC members and selectman Richter recused himself. Richter recused himself for conflict of interest reasons, that I can understand. But, why did the Chair abstain from voting?

Additionally, I only realised after the end of the meeting that the Chair never asked for a vote on the other member of the HDC that was up for reappointment. What gives and why would selectman Yingling make an effort to remove a member of the zoning board?"



Simple- dirty politics. The BOS now want to control the various boards. It is all a power play that will backfire in their faces. The Chairman, Richter and Yingling are all power hungry and have bigger egos than the previous BOS. Sad- Expecially that they promised just the OPPOSITE.

11:05 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"And if they are so small as to withhold charitable funds because of a minor tax increase, so be it! And not paying one's taxes is illegal and not an option."

Curious response to a post.  To you the tax increase is minor.  So why even bother if it causes so much strife and alienation.  And why do you think that partimers contribute so little to the various charities.  Most part timers that I have met consider themselves to be part of the town. With this kind of attitude they are being driven away in fact and emotionally. 

Years ago when I was living in NYC, there was a big complex called COOP City that had some sort of dispute with the city about services.  They put their taxes into some sort of account that was perfectly legal. The city could not get the money until the problem was solved.  So, I think that you are not informed about this apparently legal way to pay taxes but withhold them from the use of the city/town.  Since 75 to 80 % of town tax revenue comes from parttimers it would hurt bigtime.

I asked several places how much partimers contribute and they all said a MAJOR amount. Possibly enough to cause a major blow. 

Your attitude is similar to a common thief/bully. "if I can take it from you it is mine".  We owe respect and fairness to all those who live and love our town.  Why should all those that are registered voters but live 4 to 6 months a year in Florida or mexico get a break when many of the partimers actually are in town almost as much.  Nonsense.

10:23 am est 

Home Emergency- Triggers Condemning Home

 

A woman has a emergency in her home and then police and rescue squad show up to help, that is what they are paid to do, so thank you. Then once they enter her home, which she owns, it is determined that her living conditions are "unsafe". So the heath agent and a volunteer health board decide, without even inspecting the property, to condemn it. Really, what the     . I hope this women sues the town and the health agent. My lawn needs to mowed...........crap my closets aren't organized...........shit they are gonna condemn my, I repeat my property that is otherwise structurally sound. Sue the town lady.

10:21 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Money cannot buy 2 votes

Actually 10 states, including nearby CT, allow non-resident property tax payers to vote in budget matters in local elections and more states are considering it.  It's only fair and goes along with the historical American belief that there should be no taxation without representation. 

10:17 am est 

Re: Austin Knight ?

 

OK then, let's draft Austin Knight for BOS next spring! In with old................

10:16 am est 

HDC Dr. Marcene Marcoux

 

I would like to thank Dr. Marcene Marcoux for all of the time and quality service she has rendered the town, and appreciate that she "re-upped" to serve another term on the Historic District Commission.

Dr. Marcoux is an excellent member of this important board, and does her homework and asks pertinent questions.

People as smart and dedicated to the town as Marcene should be thanked for what they do, especially when finding volunteers in such a politically divisive atmosphere. Dr. Marcoux handles the challenges well.

Thank you for volunteering Marcene!

10:15 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Divide the community!!!

Yes taxing me more than my neighbor will make me resent them. You realize that this extreme move will alienate people and make them resentful.  No I wont give money to causes in town as I am no paying more than the guy next door. I have never heard of anything so mean spirited and divisive!  Not to mention the number of "full time" residents who actually spent the winter in Mexico! How is that fair. This is not a solution to a rising cost of living, you must face facts, this band aid will pit neighbor against neighbor and makes the town seem very hostile to second home owners!!

10:13 am est 

Re: Austin Knight ?

 

"How odd to now see Mr. Knight as the white knight in the battle to lead this town."

What rock have you been sleeping under? 

Knight was investigated                                                   .  He was accused of improper election acts. 

He resigned at the time that enough signatures had been gathered to vote on recalling him.

Plus, he wouldn't be able to hold office anyway. 
When he resigned, he said that the reason was that he couldn't give the job the necessary time, because his mother was sick.

10:11 am est 

Thursday, December 17, 2015

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I have heard from many neighbors that are not full time that there will be a huge backlash of no giving to local causes any more.  This could really hurt the various places like swim for life and CASAS.  Also, thr same folks are talking about not paying their taxes but putting them into some sort of legal holding account.  This could put the town into bankruptcy sine a huge majority of dollars comes from part time taxes.  The BOS may have really screwed us on this one."

This post had to be written by a second homeowner who thinks the residents and voters are stupid! The second homeowners do not exclusively support this town's charities! And if they are so small as to withhold charitable funds because of a minor tax increase, so be it! And not paying one's taxes is illegal and not an option. And the town isn't even close to bankrupcy, jesus where do you come from! Provincetown will survive with or without second homeowners, stop trying to threaten and make people worry, we are NOT that stupid! However, it sounds like you are that stupid. Money cannot buy two votes!

5:23 pm est 

Re: BOS Interference?

 

Just curious...did that       "blonde" get reappointed to the HDC?

2:40 pm est 

Re: BOS Interference? Ala Selectman Richter

 

What is Richter's conflict of interest that precludes his vote for HDC members?  If he can vote on traffic issues...

1:02 pm est 

Re: BOS Interference? = Austin Knight = No Difference

 

If you have questions take a look at the morning get togethers at Eastend Deli and you will understand what's happening with the BOS. Same as it ever was. What a shame?

   

12:50 pm est 

Re: Austin Knight ?

 

When Austin Knight is being praised and some want him back at the BOS, then there is trouble in river City! Obviously, there is some level of disappointment if not disgust with the present regime. How odd to now see Mr. Knight as the white knight in the battle to lead this town.

12:23 pm est 

Re: BOS Interference?

 

I watched the Dec. 15th BOS meeting and am totally confused as to what happened during the reappointment of Historic District Commission members.

The Chairman abstained from voting on any HDC members and selectman Richter recused himself. Richter recused himself for conflict of interest reasons, that I can understand. But, why did the Chair abstain from voting?

Additionally, I only realised after the end of the meeting that the Chair never asked for a vote on the other member of the HDC that was up for reappointment. What gives and why would selectman Yingling make an effort to remove a member of the zoning board?

 

 

12:18 pm est 

BOS
11:40 am est 

Re: Austin Knight ?
 
Yes Austn made some judgemental errors toward the end of his time in office.  However, he did a much better job as chairman of the BOS than Donegan has.
11:33 am est 

Re: Austin Knight ?

 

Yes, Austin has an amazing capacity for presenting mistrusts, not taking responsibility in the face of hideous misdeeds and totally setting us back after many attempts to move forward.  A great reason he should return.

11:12 am est 

Re: Austin Knight?

 

Who's Austin Knight?

11:11 am est 

Re: Austin Knight ?

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
No offense to the dog catcher, but austin knight couldn't be elected to that position, haha.

11:10 am est 

Re: Austin Knight ?

 

Austin Knight is lucky he did what he did to have to resign in shame in a town like Provincetown! He was spared prosecution for his crimes by leaving quietly. He made a lot of serious errors in judgement and made the people who supported him embarrassed and angry. He should not, and could not, be elected to any future political office in this town. Maybe Truro would take him.

11:08 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

I have heard from many neighbors that are not full time that there will be a huge backlash of no giving to local causes any more.  This could really hurt the various places like swim for life and CASAS.  Also, thr same folks are talking about not paying their taxes but putting them into some sort of legal holding account.  This could put the town into bankruptcy sine a huge majority of dollars comes from part time taxes.  The BOS may have really screwed us on this one.

11:06 am est 

Re: BOS Interference?

 

"What's with a certain Selectman who sent an e-mail to a long-time committee chair telling him he should not apply to be re-appointed?  Do the other Selectmen agree with this?"

"What's with the secrecy?  Why no names?"


If Clarence will post it:
Yingling sent an e-mail to David Nicklau telling him to not apply for re-appointment

11:03 am est 

Re: Austin Knight ?

 

Austin Knight will NEVER be re-elected to office in Provincetown again. He was a big boy, made his own decisions who to support as Chair of the BOS, and finally resigned in shame and by force. Remember the recall? With more names than needed, garnered in the winter when the population was low due to winter. I caution the voters to be vigilent. The second homeowners would love to have Knight back in their corner. They are looking for someone internal, and Knight would sell out his own          to be back in office! Beware.

11:00 am est 

Wednesday, December 16, 2015

Austin Knight ?

 

I hope Austin Knight runs for BOS again. He knew issues and as chair could move things along. The old chief is long gone and his toxic influence on the BOS as well. Bring Austin back!

10:34 am est 

Re: BOS Interference?

 

"What's with a certain Selectman who sent an e-mail to a long-time committee chair telling him he should not apply to be re-appointed?  Do the other Selectmen agree with this?"

What's with the secrecy?  Why no names?

10:32 am est 

Re: Residential Tax Exemption

 

Ah yes--the "Residential Tax Exemption" passedclass warfare---"us against them" continues.

10:31 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Something I've noticed on various Facebook postings since last night's passage of the residential exemption is how many residents are questioning what it means. Unbelievable how many answers are dead wrong, too! Did voters understand it when they voted for it at Town Meeting?

10:29 am est 

Re: BOS Interference?
 
Not only is it interference but by the book, it's illegal. When it comes to a vote to reappoint, I hope that person brings the email to light and makes that selectman or selectmen recuse themselves.
10:27 am est 

Tuesday, December 15, 2015

BOS Interference?

 

What's with a certain Selectman who sent an e-mail to a long-time committee chair telling him he should not apply to be re-appointed?  Do the other Selectmen agree with this?

 

11:55 pm est 

Re: West End Bender

You're comments requarding west end gentrification were
Said 15 years ago when the tsunami began, town citizens
Complained to deaf ears and the cash was flowing .
Now the east end is going to the cash cows and they rip Down the
Whole house except the for the lonely facade,historical not in my
Book.
Provincetown,quaint fishing village ?
11:52 pm est 

Provincetown 365 Group

 

Any truth to the rumor that the Provincetown 365 group is no longer allowed to meet in Town Hall?

11:47 pm est 

Re: Second Home Owners

 

BOS, get off this second home owner persecution. Enough already. You are being silly.

11:36 pm est 

The End of a Once-Quaint Fishing Village

The time has come.  The fishing industry in this town is dead.  Let us move forward.  This town needs to accept a new primary charter.  Tourism!!!  How can we make this town more appealing to people who want to spend their money.  Even if we built a "Quaint Fishing Village" theme park, no one would come.  Bachelorette Parties have discovered us... maybe that is the group we should be catering to. 
11:35 pm est 

Monday, December 14, 2015

Re: West Ender Bender

 

You Are Sadly Right About the West End

It has changed. It has gentrified. Millionaires like this town but...they want their mac-mansions and they can buy their way through many a committee and board. What they buy is priceless but with enough money, that which was small and quaint and historical, is torn down, re-built on a larger footprint and high is added. Then what was is no more. But they pretend it is and others see some attraction in out-scaled residences that destroy sea views, overwhelm this small town's streetscape and are eventually empty shells, empty of life except for three weeks a year.

Title it: What Money Can Buy and also title it: The End of a Once-Quaint Fishing Village.

10:52 am est 

Re: Electricity Costs

"Use less power. My bill was 91.00"

That's the bill you get when you're only here weekends.  That's not the bill for anybody who lives here full-time, year-round...
10:52 am est 

Re: West Ender Bender

"No kidding...walked down as far as West Vine the other day, and it devoid of life...endless empty driveways, closed up houses/condos, not a single shop open....a dead waste of housing and services...."

GENTRIFIED BEYOND RECOGNITION IT HAS BEEN, QUITE SAD TO ME. GUESS I SHOULD WALK IN THE OTHER DIRECTION FOR SOME REALITY!
6:25 pm est
10:50 am est 

Re: Electricity Costs

 

GREAT tip on the electricity, thanks!

10:48 am est 

Re: Affordable Housing

 

Let's Call It the affordable Housing Game

It is who you know and who you are sleeping with. Look at Mr. affordable housing himself. It is his staff and those they sleep with who have gained --with so much luck--affordable housing. A game or just it corrupt.

10:47 am est 

Sunday, December 13, 2015

Re: Electricity Costs

 

Use less power. My bill was 91.00

6:26 pm est 

West Ender Bender

GENTRIFIED BEYOND RECOGNITION IT HAS BEEN, QUITE SAD TO ME. GUESS I SHOULD WALK IN THE OTHER DIRECTION FOR SOME REALITY!
6:25 pm est 

Re: 350 Bradford Street
 
Will there be any affordable housing built on the old Michael Shay's property when the Hot'l property is turned into housing?
6:21 pm est 

Re: Pizza Shop Donation to Soup Kitchen

 

"So if a customer pays $20 for a large pizza and the pizza shop gives the soup kitchen $3 from the sale of that pizza, how many dollars does the pizza shop keep?"

Why don't you ask what percentage of their sales           donates to the soup kitchen, or          or     ?

Because the answer is zero.

6:19 pm est 

Re: Electricity Costs Thank you!!!
 

That was so helpful to provide the link!  I have been meaning to do that and it will really save folks money!  One thing to note... My bill says Eversource.  Eversource and NSTAR are one in the same.  Make sure you update under "NSTAR".  Thank you!!!!

This is the kind of thing we should see more of on this blog!
6:14 pm est 

Friday, December 11, 2015

Electricity Costs
 
For those who may be unaware, all Mass. electric utility users have the right to pick their supplier.  You'll still get your bill from NSTAR but the electricity itself can come from any approved supplier.

At the moment, if you stay with NSTAR, you pay 12.55 cents per kilowatt-hour.  Competing suppliers are charging less, as low as 9.10 cents/kWh, for a 28% savings! 

The 9.10 is fixed for 6 months.  12 month fixed rates are as low as 9.49, for a savings of 24% versus NSTAR.

Go here to change your supplier and start saving:

http://www.electricrate.com/residential-rates-massachusetts/

And, no, I don't work for any of these companies.  I just don't like over-paying for a commodity.
4:31 pm est 

Louise Venden a Republican?

The FinCom Vice-ChairWOMAN and Select Board candidate hosted Boston and Provincetown  fundraisers for Charlie Baker and  several other Republicans (Lt Gov, Attorney General, etc) during the last state elections.

Does she support Trump or given her WOMEN ONLY beliefs, does she fully support Carly Fiorina?
4:29 pm est 

Re: Vincent Currier

 

Yes, Vince is friends with Tony Brackett, and has been for quite some time. We have learned to let the politics not define us, but to listen and work for the overall good of Provincetown.

Tony Brackett is a good School Committee Chairperson,whom I encouraged to run, and puts many hours into helping to maintain, improve and grow our very important School System.

I admire him for his efforts and support him unequivocably!

That being said, we don't agree on everything.

And still know how to agree to disagree, and still be civil and friendly. Imagine!

You would probably be surprised at how many of us that are involved in this beautiful town don't always agree, but understand that we can still enjoy this very special place we call home.

And remain friends.

Vince Currier
Provincetown

4:23 pm est 

Re: "From: Tony Brackett"

 

So Tony Brackett is friends with Vince Currier? I was thinking that Vince owed Tony an apology for posting on his friend's behalf, but the more I think about it, don't bother. I've officially lost respect for Tony for being so dumb. Some circle of friends!

10:34 am est 

Thursday, December 10, 2015

Re: Pizza Shop Donation to Soup Kitchen

 

Why the f    should it matter how much of the pizza sales are kept you idiot. The mere fact that a donation is occurring is good enough. Eat the rat poison.

7:35 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Banner Article on 350 Bradford Street

 

I'm glad that at least one member had the courage to vote against the demo of 350 Bradford.

6:59 pm est 

From; Vincent Currier

 

Please sign my name to the Tony Brackett post, I forgot to do so.
Vince Currier

6:58 pm est 

From: Tony Brackett

 

Someone shared a posting from my personal FaceBook page to MYPACC. It is presented on MYPACC as though I posted it as Chairman of the Provincetown School Committee, when in fact someone asked me if he could share it. I gave my consent. The posting should read, "This post is shared from Tony Brackett's personal Facebook page with his consent." It should not have been presented as something I chose to post to this site as Chair of the School Committee.
Tony Brackett

6:56 pm est 

Blackfish Arrive in Provincetown

 

Sad to Lose a Restaurant but glad to gain such New Ones

I too am pleased to see the Blackfish arrive in Provincetown for this winter. That is great. Plus there are quite a few new restaurants for this spring. Surely this is what we need--not a town filled with residences. it should be a good year!

12:31 pm est 

Re: Pizza Shop Donation to Soup Kitchen

 

So if a customer pays $20 for a large pizza and the pizza shop gives the soup kitchen $3 from the sale of that pizza, how many dollars does the pizza shop keep?

A Rat In The Basement

12:27 pm est 

Wednesday, December 9, 2015

New Winter (Only) Restaurant in Provincetown

 

So Glad that Black Fish Comes to Provincetown this winter

and moves into Local's space. This is such a wonderful addition for all of us this winter. How creative.

Let's support this type of entrepreneurial move. It is daring, delightful and delicious.

This is a gain for everyone! Bravo!

 

3:44 pm est 

Really---Kim Hurd Concerned About Second Home Owners

 

What a joke. What a pretense. Maybe it's time for Kim Hurd to stay where she is and have Jeff Jaran nod his head in agreement to her utterances

3:39 pm est 

It Was Good a Holly Folly

The town looks to do as well with the New Year's celebration. fireworks! entertainment! Life on the edge....here we go!
3:38 pm est 

Town Hall Lights

 

How beautiful and magical the lights are at town hall. What a wonderful idea.

3:36 pm est 

Provincetown Beacon

 

Sorry, But

it is soooo boring. Let's bring back the naughties at the Beacon. Darling, it is just tiring to read such, oh, excuse when I yawn, this stale, dull whatever!

3:33 pm est 

Chickens Have Come Home to Roost

 

JI STUDENT HOUSING CRISIS

Of course the state department and the organization that brings the students to town wants them to have not only decent housing but and END TO THE SWITCH AND BAIT employers who hire students as house boys or to work a certain job and then have them paint houses and do hard physical work like  building fences etc.

I'm glad of this crack down--but it needs to also happen to employers who hire scads of students for memorial day and then gives them a few token hours until the fourth of July and the students go through all of their savings and scrimp and scrape to make a living.

Obviously, enough students complained about the student hotel etc and now the chickens have come home to roost.

3:31 pm est 

Sometimes Silence Would be Good

It's amazing how some people on some blogs have a damn opinion on everything. Goodness. Any building, any person, anything event, and there they are mouthing off--really. It's not intellectual positions but unreflective common sense statements ab out every damn thing. I can't imagine what they were like in school or now at work. Chatty Kathy!
3:29 pm est 

Re: Vincent Currier

 

I'd Say: don't mess with vince

when he wants to organize, he can and does. again, don't mess with Vince! His causes are the best.

3:27 pm est 

Holiday Spirit Infuses Town Hall

The lights are bright and the decorations beautifully done. the trees are trimmed and the looks is the best ever.

Holiday wishes to all!
3:26 pm est 

Sunday, December 6, 2015

Fishermen's Memorial

The physical strength and muscle power of men on fish boats in PRovincetown going back to the hauling of nets should also be exemplified in a sculpture honoring fishermen.

What is proposed is just a weak piece of art.

Looking at the proposed sculpture of two men in a boat is the wimpiest sculpture of fishermen I could even imagine.
9:52 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Beacon

 

That's what happens when you mess with Vince LOL

9:50 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Beacon

 

Maybe alive but...

Not so well. rather dull. little said. sad.

2:49 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Beacon

The beacon is alive and well.  I don't know what you're talking about.  Maybe you are still looking at one of the older iterations.  Update your bookmarks.
9:41 am est 

Saturday, December 5, 2015

Re: 350 Bradford Street - "Hot L"?

 

What is the latest on the Hot L's housing project?

8:26 pm est 

Town Hall Look Fabulous

The decorations are the best ever. It is beautiful and tastefully appointed. the lights look great and there is an abundance of them.

Just a wonderland and a beautiful scene. Just absolutely beautiful!
8:24 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Beacon?

 

"For those who haven't noticed: The Beacon on Facebook has been scrubbed. No Oatsie, Richard Rogers, town appointees or those elected."

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MESS WITH VINCE!

8:22 pm est 

Provincetown Beacon?

 

For those who haven't noticed: The Beacon on Facebook has been scrubbed. No Oatsie, Richard Rogers, town appointees or those elected. Once attempting to provide the other side of Provincetown, in a superior tone, the Beacon commentators swiftly slipped on their own waste, into a cesspool of nasty, sexist, baiting and backbiting comments that poisoned the town's system. Good riddance. I can only imagine how they are sharpening their tongues now. 

10:18 am est 

Re: Provincetown Public High School

 

Here we go again with the kids

throw them in at town meeting. Throw them in a the lighting of the monument. each one is carrying a $50,000 bill and then with the new changes to the high school building--each kid is carrying a note for $200,000.

time to de-politicize the students. But, no, Beth singer et al. want more and more. Use the kids, Gain sympathy. It is a sickening scenario. these children should not be used.

9:54 am est 

Re: Provincetown Public High School

 

Let THEM do the Research?

Now, you have to be kidding. Tony Brackett, for one, has a few kids in the system. If he has three, it is $150,000 we are paying to educate his kids. If he has four, then it is $200,000 a year we are paying to educate these children. Well, I surely would be on the school committee because it is an investment in his family. Better than investing in stocks!

then he wants a high school. Nutso, Tony. You have gone too far. We are not here to educate your children till they receives masters.

and when his kids have gone through the system, he, like all the others, including Therese Nelson, will be gone.

but until they go, give me give me money.

9:52 am est 

Your Choice Hatch or Cruz

 

Your evaluating candidates for an open job in your company, and you come across one who makes a big impression.

Hes clearly brilliant  maybe smarter than any of the others. Hes a whirlwind of energy. And man oh man can he give a presentation. On any subject, hes informed, inflamed, precise.

But then you talk with people whove worked with him at various stages of his career. They dislike him.

No, scratch that. They loathe him.

They grant him all of the virtues that youve observed, but tell you that hes the antithesis of a team player. His thirst for the spotlight is unquenchable. His arrogance is unalloyed. He actually takes pride in being abrasive, as if a persons tally of detractors measures his fearlessness, not his obnoxiousness.

Do you hire this applicant? No way.

I bet many of you think this description is of MARK HATCH, and it surely could be. It is an article describing Ted Cruz, Republican candidate for President.

9:50 am est 

"Pizza For the Starving"

 

Please donate to my program "Pizza For the Starving"

I want to help the hungry in Provincetown.  So for every $25 donated, which is the cost of one of my pizzas, I will go to Stop and Shop and purchase $3.64 of ingredients.  Next, I will go to my store and manufacture one of my delicious pizzas and give it to one of the needy in town.  Also, does anybody have the number for the Sysco truck?  Remember please give until it hurts.

9:45 am est 

Re: Provincetown Public High School

 

Yes, Sharon Lynn Hired her she was her person but she was brought in to close the school and then, afterwards, leave. the school closed but she stayed. It's like the March of Dimes. After a cure was found for Polio, they had to find another reason to exist.

 
9:43 am est 

Re: Provincetown Public High School

 

There is a Reason the High School Closed

and the reason remains. there are not enough enough students to have a viable high school and that  has not altered.

This is ridiculous and Tony Brackett should not be studying why we could or should or would have a high school. it is gone.

and when we did have high school students we had a chance then to have a charter school focused on maritime issue or the arts or both--and the school committee failed us. they did not want to give up control and so.....it all fell apart.

On somethings in life, you don't get a second chance.

"the center cannot hold..."

9:41 am est 

Re: Provincetown Public High School

 

"Leave the school committee alone on this one. Maybe it is more realistic to bring the high school students back to town. Let them do some research."

Let's hope that the research is directed at how to achieve the best education, not the least expensive. 

9:39 am est 

350 Bradford street - Michael Shay Restaurant

 

Well well, now all the good people in the Michael Shay's neighborhood, who have had to spent unnecessary money to hire counsel because some out of town developer with the help of his local cronies decided he need to make more money will have a clear path to destroying the vestiges of the year round community in this town.

Too bad only one person had the guts to stand up for the demolition delay.

Maybe we should just put a sticker on the whole town and sell it to the affluent and be done with it..........

At least we won't have to deal with it piecemeal.  Greed rules, guess it always has.

9:36 am est 

Friday, December 4, 2015

Re: Provincetown Public High School

 

"Beth singer Was Hired by Sharon Lynn to close the High School and Then Resign"

Are you sure that the manager hires the school super?  Not the school committee?  I know that you love to hate lynn, but maybe you are overreaching on this one.

11:18 am est 

Re: Provincetown Public High School

 

Math 101.  Greater number of kids into a fixed costs = less costs per student.  Wow

11:16 am est 

Re: Provincetown Public HIgh School

 

Leave the school committee alone on this one. Maybe it is more realistic to bring the high school students back to town. Let them do some research.

11:15 am est 

Provincetown

 

Hey folks let's make it official. Privincetown  a community of over 55 years old !

11:13 am est 

Thursday, December 3, 2015

Re: Provincetown High School

 

"Wow I just read on FAcebook that the school committee has met to discuss reopening the high school and I'm not talking about the building folks. They want to bring back the high school grades."

What?  First of all facebook may or may not contain fact.  Second discussing something does not mean that the parties doing the discussion are in favor or not.  Stop jumping to delusions.  This is how BS rumors start

4:37 pm est 

Re: Provincetown High School

 

At the conclusion of this Tuesday's Provincetown School Committee meeting I asked the superintendent to place on a future agenda (after budget season and after the first of the year) the topic of bringing back high school. I asked on camera for complete transparency. About a year or so ago this topic was discussed at a School Committee meeting. One idea was to see if it would be feasible to team up with Sturgis, an IB High School in Hyannis, and have a branch in our town for Outer Cape students. This topic was then tabled indefinitely. There has been buzz in our community recently about offering high school, college, etc. in the High School building. The purpose of this agenda item, and my intention, is to determine if there is still interest. If not, I want to have proper closure on this idea and move on. When this topic is placed on the agenda, you will be able to learn this when the meetings are posted to the Town website. Our meetings are open to the public and recorded by PTV.  There is no personal agenda by anyone on this committee, the superintendent nor principal. It will be a discussion.

Tony Brackett

Chair, Provincetown School Committee

4:32 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Public High School

 

Beth singer Was Hired by Sharon Lynn to close the High School and Then Resign

Here she is trying to re-create what is gone. You  have a school committee that is unrealistic. Look at the $7 million for a heating system, change of windows and a roof repair. It is nothing but ludicrous. Stop them now. they will want millions to try to re-create the high school and then we will have another 4 million added to the already 3.6 million budget.

1:16 pm est 

Re: Provincetown High School
 
So lets see why they want to open it again. Maybe it's because of the big push for affordable housing about 10-12 years ago?? Young people inhabit the town, they have or already have kids and 12 years later, guess who is of age to go to middle school??? This is the trickle down of the affordable housing. You can't deny it. Maybe, just maybe, the eventual trickle down will be these kids stay in the community and thrive and fill the work force that the town once had when Ptown was a thriving community.
1:14 pm est 

Re: Provincetown High School

 

School desire to bring back high school
After reading the previous posting that someone read on facebook that the school wants to bring back the high school grades has led me to offer my opinion on this.

Provincetown can't and will never be able to compete with what Nauset has to offer the kids. For the school to bring this up raises red flags in my book.

First red flag is, maybe the school enrollment is dropping and the second one is, I seriously don't see enough kids to fill the grades. Third red flag is, the more kids this school has, the more the residents of P'town has to pay per student. Fourth red flag is, if the residents in this town were requesting this than maybe I can understand but when the Supt and Principal requests this, I highly urge everyone to be careful as they have other motives.

11:37 am est 

Provincetown High School

 

Wow I just read on FAcebook that the school committee has met to discuss reopening the high school and I'm not talking about the building folks. They want to bring back the high school grades.

10:44 am est 

Re: Louise Venden

 

I don't have an opinion of Hoort one way or another but I remember Venden's rant against him over the summer.  She absolutely went off on him and went on a personal attack.  i'm not sure I could support a candidate for BOS who goes on personal attacks against staff.  There is something very odd about her writings, especially when she"s posting late at night.  Draw your own conclusions.

10:42 am est 

Wow! and Then Again Wow! - Guns in America


Provincetown as the number one city to visit. Really? I love it here but that is just amazing. it is beautiful and there are fabulous people living here--but wow! THE top city in the US to visit? Incredible!
1:23 am est 

So Here We Go Again

Name the place---Name the victims---and ---nd --- then name the shooter/killer----then the vigil candles and then the silent gatherings and then---the memorials to the great people who were killed--and yes, they were killed.

Yet nothing changes. No change in gun laws. No background checks at gun shows--even the phrase disgusts.

and tomorrow--another vigil. another sad remembrances. another gallery of victims and relatives and reams deferred.

Call me when the NRA does not control America, when it has lost its memorizing force on the minds, hearts, and souls of Americans. How weird this is. all in the name of guns, profits, and selling killing machines without any costs to victims.

Tis is not about deer or moose or hunters. It is about profit and guns sales and sick marketing. Now pink guns for six year old girls.
1:20 am est 

Wednesday, December 2, 2015

Re: Louise Venden

 

Sorry to see       Louise opened her campaign with a rant about how anti-women Provincetown is and how badly Sharon Lynn and Ann Magauire were treated.  Not a winning platform Loopy!

I hope       Louise will explain how she almost destroyed the library by grossly mishandling her role as a library trustee and nearly getting sued.  Or she totally screwed up the Town Manager Search as its Chair. Or her outrageous homophobic and personal attacks on David Gardner and Dan Hoort.

I guess we just have to let Louise be      .

4:06 pm est 

Personal Vendetta

 

Well, Maybe It's time to Ask That woman What She Did to Her Neighbors

maybe it's time to call her upon her terrible use of the health department and the health agent to get back at people who caused her problems with her illegal apartment. Her actions to her neighbors and her use of the health agent to threaten residents  and have their basements reviewed and examined is more then uncalled for. It is horrendous.

You would not want that woman living next door to you. she should apologize to all her neighbors and all those who she hurt in her personal vendetta.

2:47 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden

 

I am no fan of Venden's and share the other posts about her understanding of the FinCom role.  However,  The above crosses the line.  Unless you know an aweful lot about her personal life, you have no right to accuse her of hiding her sexuality. Why are you so sure that she was not in conflict and confused.  What kind of moral judge are you to demand standards of behavior on one's personal , intimate life.

You can't argue cogently so you resort to the ad hominem (feminan) attacks.  Disgusting.  

1:57 pm est 

Re: A Point of View

 

I'll Take Mypacc Over Other Blogs

I come to this site two to three times a day. I like reading what is posted. I don't always agree of course with what is said. but it is informative and often I read information or positions or hear about events I didn't know before. If the Banner came out daily, then we'd have another source of news. but it doesn't. but this blog just continues on and helps me know what is happening. This town is small but it is complex in its politics and its past rememberings that affect much of what goes on. It the age of information and the age of technology and therefore we are able to get this news. Personally, this is a good thing.

12:27 pm est 

Re: A Point of View

 

Oh, HI this is the First time I've Read this Post

and I think it is great. this is not fabricated. This is my well-thought out position. I like what I see and what I read.

I am a first time reader to this blog. I am glad it exists and glad someone is spending time handling all the posts.

12:26 pm est 

Re: A Point of View

 

There is something to be said for a  anonymous site to express views. However, to defend the charachter assination of individuals, the most resent, a woman on FINCOM, is wrong. Mean and spiteful behavior prevents many of us from taking a chance on town boards. Go to town meeting, vote in elections. If you don't live in this town, see a shrink.

9:13 am est 

Re: A Point of View

I'll reply to the two people who have responded to my original post.

"Re: Seems fabricated Posting"

My post is not fabricated. It's real and serious, and it raised real and serious concerns. Your post ignores the questions and substantive issues that I tried to bring up in a polite way. In response, you've chosen to post a dismissive, sarcastic comment that belittles my contribution -- and throws in a random dig at some other rival site which I have never read. Basically, you're responding by doing exactly what I was trying to call out in a respectful way. That's not community building, that's internet trolling. It's juvenile and unhelpful -- if what we are trying to do is build consensus and strengthen the bonds between those of us who live here, that's not it.


"Re: You're confusing the issues."

Thank you for your response. You started by stating that I'm confusing the issues, but I don't understand what issues you think I'm confusing. I don't think you've explained that.

Your primary argument is that the most important thing this site provides is a place for people to vent and let off negative energy and steam. Ok, sure, anonymous online forums provide a way to vent. But they are a poor way of doing so, because they also encourage and enable a lot more negativity than, say, a forum online where people must own up to their comments by name, where respect is held dear and enforced. It's like saying punching someone in the face is ok because it helps me let off steam. Alternatively, I could just hit a punching bag or go for a run. Venting is very different than building cohesion and outlining a vision.

Let's tease this out more: if "venting" is the best purpose of this site, let's compare two ways one could vent. Let's say I don't like that my neighbor is building a 10 foot fence between our houses. I have a few choices.

1) I could come to this site and write the following post: "Is this PROVINCETOWN or GAZA?!? Jack Smith seems to think he's Provincetown's own version of DONALD TRUMP! Don't like your neighbor, just build a wall! If Annie H had a backbone or the ZBA had any brains, they'd have stopped this before it even began. Sadly, just more evidence that town is going to hell in a hand basket." That's one way to vent. Once I press "submit," I certainly feel better. But, in the meantime, I haven't stopped the construction; my neighbor will be pissed when someone forwards him an email out of the blue pointing out that someone is commenting about his new project online; and, in the name of venting, I've also insulted and ruined the morning of Annie and any members of the ZBA who happen to read the post. I've sewn resentment and created bitterness. That hurts our overall community. It's all done under the cover of anonymity and impersonally online.

Alternatively, I could talk to my neighbor about the problem and see if we could come to some sort of resolution. Ok, let's say he shouts the first time. So I go chat with Annie and see what she thinks about it. I sit in the basement of town hall, interact with the people there, have a pleasant conversation with Aaron H about his Thanksgiving, and read the bylaws. Maybe I'll run into ZBA chair David N. at Stop and Shop and ask him about it. After I report back to my my neighbor what I've learned, he agrees to lower and move the fence -- or we go to the ZBA, whatever. I let him know that it's not personal, and that if he wants a fence he should do it in the proper way. In any event, in this case, I've made some real, human interactions. Through some reasoning, research, and politics, I've fixed the problem. I've also vented. I feel better. And no one else had to have a bad day, or shoulder the burden of anonymous, low blow criticism on the internet. This instance of conflict !
actually made our community stronger, even though there may have been some tense moments.

To be sure, just going online and venting anonymously is easier. It takes less effort. It's more fun, in an "evil" way, because you can say whatever you want and get under peoples' skin. I get that. It's a quick thrill. But that doesn't mean it's good for the community.

So you can buy my argument or not. Either way, no one has made the case that this site carries out its stated mission of promoting community cohesion and setting out a positive vision for our town. I look forward to reading that response. 
9:12 am est 

Tuesday, December 1, 2015

Re: A Point of View

 

Seems Fabricated Posting

Really? the first time this person ever read MYPACC and now is shocked, shocked! It is Casablanca once again!

this blog informs and it presents various views on this town. I have found it beneficial. I read real news here.

but if you are shockekd, shocked!!well, read the Beacon instead.

9:35 pm est 

Re: A Point of View

"I'm a longtime resident of Provincetown and first time reader of this site. Honestly, I can't believe what I am reading. "

You're confusing the issues. Do you think not providing this site for people to vent makes what they think go away? If not for the expression on this site, where do you think that expression will go? Are you just bothered by seeing what people really are thinking? Here's the thing...most of us just don't like a lot of people. It's called being human. And here, we get to express that in a controlled way, instead of letting it all bottle up inside and come out in other ways. I find it interesting, and at times funny. It's always, however, a window into the underside of life. Be thankful for it. It gives people a place to vent safely, and it's a great learning place.
9:34 pm est 

A Point of View

 

I'm a longtime resident of Provincetown and first time reader of this site. Honestly, I can't believe what I am reading. At the bottom of the site's mission statement, it says this page exists, to "Promote community cohesiveness through shared future vision." I very sincerely challenge anyone reading this post to scroll through MyPACC and make the case that what we read here 1) promotes community cohesiveness and 2) reaches to define a shared future vision for our town.

What I see is pettiness, ad hominem attacks, a desire to embarrass and a love of tearing down members of our community. I see ego and backbiting and gossip. If anything, the site presents a fatalistic vision of the future of our town.

I would very much like to read someone make the case that Shout Out brings people together and presents a vision of how our town should look, feel, make decisions, tackle challenges with a strong, unified voice. I would very much like to see what the argument looks like.

I'm embarrassed that this site exists as part of my community. This is not how I believe members of a strong community should interact. Please consider changing the tone and format of this page to better reflect your own mission. Thank you for taking the time to read my comments.

7:46 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden

 

Yikes, Someone Has Let This Woman Out

She needs restraint and restraints. she is devastating relationships and hurting neighborhoods. Can I just ask: do we have any measurement of sanity before people are appointed to a board? Where's the line on "nuts"?

She has damaged the library board, then damaged the charter committee and now, she is ready to damage the third board.

Hold on boys.....here she comes!

7:44 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden

Today she writes on the town's page: "yes it is hard to imagine what our friends, family members and hundreds of thousands of others might have done, become and shared with us. Also, how grateful we are for the tens of thousands of people living with HIV today."

It seems to me, knowing her story, that she was busy hiding her sexuality while being married during the worse times of the AIDS crisis. It's shocking to see her write something like this. Hey Louise, what might have been if people like you had stood up for your sexuality instead of remaining silent about it? How much more quickly would this crisis have come to the public consciousness if we had clear examples of normal people affected? I'm appalled. Many of us fought hard. This is an affront to those people who had the guts to be who they were, and stand up and fight for recognition.
12:50 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden

"To quote the best line at the last town meeting, this sets my teeth on fire. I thought the deal was EQUALITY not BETTER THAN. Maybe this poster missed the memo on that...that we all aim to be EQUAL. Which is why you see those EQUAL symbols all over town and, in fact, all over the US. Evidently, this poster has a lot of issues and needs to feel better than someone else. Let me suggest the person do that in Eastham or somewhere else and leave Provincetown alone, as we've been striving for equality for everyone all these years. If this is representative of Ms Venden's outlook, perhaps she, too, should look elsewhere to ply her political trade. Since she likes Ann, Harriet, and that crowd maybe she'll be the next to leave for Florida or a kibbutz somewhere after she's condo'd everything she can get her grubby hands on like Ann. "

You just proved my point about "bitch wanna-bes"...and you MISSED the REAL points of my post.     .  As far as "equal signs", I'll believe it when I see people practicing what they preach!  Diversity and equality for all in Provincetown?  Bullshit.  Racism, sexism, ageism, classism, xenophobia abound.
12:47 pm est 

Re: +My Issue: Some People Care Deeply About this Town...

 

"...not themselves. they give and understand that this town is precious and beautiful and do what they do for this town.

Others---well, self-serving, self-interested and their actions damage this town. they are like the excess methane and carbon gushing from sick wells.

I like the few people who really care. and those who they do---so often don't."



Could somebody please translate the above into english?  I find the last sentence particularly difficult to comprehend.

9:11 am est 


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