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  Mark Silva: A Rich Goodby

The church was packed. There was even a long line to enter St. Peter's. There were people sitting along the side pews. All the pews were filled.

We were there to attest to your legacy, to what you gave to this town and to all of us. You brought the energy for the Portuguese Festival and revived it. You brought the energy for the Regatta and revived this wonderful celebration. You gave of yourself, of your time and of your vision.

The town was there to bid you farewell and to thank you for everything that you have done for us. And you did it with humor, joy and a sense of much celebration. You knew how to throw a party and taught the town to do it too!

You were unique and you will be missed. But you would not leave without our thanks and without a party at the Red Inn. We were there with tears and we were there with much laughter and gratefulness for you.

Adieu, Mark! May the angels carry you on holy wings into eternal peace and celebration!

 

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Friday, October 31, 2014

So Many On Other Posts Are Just Ignorant

Oh, I know they will hate this, but, ignorance seems to reign on many other
blogs. No intelligence even though they believe they are the smartest in town. 
Or the brightest bulbs--or Lumens--on the East coast, since they don't even live
here.

Disgusting. No Brains and yet such arrogance that they believe they are the
best, the brightest, and the most artistic in sensibilities and tastes.

The mirror you are looking into is a fun house mirror!
10:23 pm edt 

Re: The Town Has Spoken

"Are You Nuts?"

Quoting Wikepedia and academic references. Sorry but you fail the test for even
common sense--something I don't applaud, but you are talking gibberish.

Silence is better than stupidity!
10:21 pm edt 

Town Planner/Planning Board

The Town Planner has much to learn about Provincetown and its people. Obviously
she as well as the Planning Board got an education at this past town meetting
with the outcome of our votes. We have enough regulation, we don't need any more
10:18 pm edt 

Re: The People Have Spoken

"What about people taking certain drugs who are asked to participate
in clinical trials at the same time?"


OMG, do you need some help.  If you don't like wikipedia then go to Any source
on statistical analysis.  They all say the same thing about self selection
introducing bias into a sample.

Now as to the above quote, it borders on the moronic.  When people participate
in clinical trials they do so because they have been scientifically selected
usually because they have a disease or condition that is to be targeted by the
drug.  They are not asked their opinions about political matters but are the
subject of rigorous scientific study on the effects of a drug.  This argument
that you now present is totally ludicrous.  Give it up.  Your bias can't be
salvaged.
10:16 pm edt 

Re: Planning Board

"Making more rules when we have too many now is a power play by the
Planning Board. They're supposed to make things more compatible to encourage
business ,not try to put people out of business!"



Wow do you have a cockeyed view of things.  Nowhere, repeat, no where, do we
have a law or regulation that says that the Planning Board exists to help
business.  It exists to help the entire town be better.  they are not " supposed
to make things more compatible to encourage business".  They should always take
business interests into account when they do there work, but they don't exist to
help business.
10:14 pm edt 

Taxes

"How about benefiting the tax base of Provincetown instead of Truro"


I think that there is some confusion here about taxes.  real estate is taxed the
same no matter who owns it or occupies it.  So if a property in Ptown has a town
employee living in it, or a retiree it doesn't matter.  Maybe you mean that all
town employees must build new homes to add to the tax base?  that makes no sense
either since here is so little land to develop.  Maybe you could expalin a
little more about your tax idea, because what you said makes no sense at all.
10:05 pm edt 

Provincetown vs Jeff Jaran Arbitration

"Guess we must have settled with Jaran because there is no news about the appeal
that was suppose to happen by now. More tax payers money going into that jerks
pocket. Awesome."

What I particularly loved was when the guy from the finance committee told the
truth at town meeting and people booed lol. There were people in the audience
working hard for the town in top positions listening to people tell them they
didn't belong in those jobs because they didn't live in the town. YEARS of
service but it doesn't matter. The same people (especially the woman who got up
to the mike in the front) who screamed and screamed about Michelle J for town
manager, when she lives in TRURO. lol Then the guy asks how did it work out when
Jaran lived in town, and when Lynn lived in town and people get all bothered. It
was too funny. But those same people made sure Michelle could never be picked
for town manager now since she has no interest in moving, so good job! Next time
think before you vote. And we continue to have to pay money out to Jaran who did
live in the town. Awesome! The comedy rolls on.
7:19 pm edt 

Residence

So the principal of the Provincetown school can live in Truro but not
the DPW director, not the fire chief. Bullcocky I say. Benefit to the community?
How about benefiting the tax base of Provincetown instead of Truro. The
superintntdent lives in Wellfleet, more benefit to the community of
Provincetown. Bull cocky.
6:41 pm edt 

Provincetown vs Jeff Jaran Arbitration

Guess we must have settled with Jaran because there is no news about
the appeal that was suppose to happen by now. More tax payers money going into
that jerks pocket. Awesome.
6:39 pm edt 

Re: Planning Board

Making more rules when we have too many now is a power play by the
Planning Board. They're supposed to make things more compatible to encourage
business ,not try to put people out of business!Doe the new Town Planner know
that?Winning Brownie Points isn't the game! It's trying to work for business
efficiency to inspire more not less,since that's the only stronghold here now,to
keep the Town afloat! A long range plan needs to be put in place ASAP!Maybe we
should let a WalMart in here to employ people for survival here all year!
6:37 pm edt 

Re: The People Spoke

The people/voters who cared enough have spoken! Stop trying to
demonstrate your limited intellect by interpreting Limited STM voters presence!
Pur & Simple semantics! 10% voters who cared enough showed up at Oct. STM to
listen to debate & vote! 90% didn't care enough to bother to go! They then get
what they deserve by the outcome!!
6:35 pm edt 

Re: "Isn't That the Definition of a Crossroads?"

Not really.  And maybe we were never at a crossroad where we could have chosen
one direction or another.  The tide of history washed over Provincetown when it
became impossible to continue to deplete the fish stock and expect to stay
economically viable.  Either way, continue unfettered fishing, or greatly reduce
it by regulation, the fishing industry was headed towards disaster.  When that
went away there were really no alternates to continue the kind of economic
climate provided by the busy fishing port.

As real estate brokers say, "location, location, location." We are captives of
our geography.  There may be a time in the future that geography will not be as
important, but that is not now the case.  SO, some fishing, some coastal
research, some tourism.  That seems to be it for now.

To me that is not being at a crossroads.  that implies a choice of direction. 
Does anyone truly think that we do?
6:33 pm edt 

Re: The People Spoke!

"Self-selection is not random. Look it up online or in any statistics textbook.
Here is only one such example:"


OMG you gave a Wikipedia reference? You realize that's invalid in any academic
setting as a citation, right? So when we do all those psych experiments where
there's a call for volunteers, is that invalidated? How about all those signs
out there for volunteers who posses certain symptoms to participate in medical
trials? What about people taking certain drugs who are asked to participate in
clinical trials at the same time? Is that self-selection? So a call for voters
to show up at town meeting is, somehow, semantically different from these
examples? Self-selection doesn't mean what you THINK it means. And the more you
post, the more stupid everyone thinks you are.
6:30 pm edt 

We Had A very Effective town Meeting

I was surprised that so many voters were there. It was productive and the town
voted with intelligence and thoughtfulness.

Quite effective, indeed!
6:28 pm edt 

Planning Cannot Defend Their Regulations

Just do the job you used to do. It's time to halt this regulation madness. Where
Jeff Jaran was over-policing the pier and the town, this group would add
enforcement and policing again to how we live and how we do business.

I have a business here in Provincetown. do I or should I care about what
businesses are doing in Washington DC? Or what a planning board is doing in
Washing DC?

We are who we are. We are not Washington DC and so let's live and work and do
business as we have in the years back--not as they are trying to do now.
6:27 pm edt 

When enough is Enough

Sorry but Reasonable Regulations is Not What this New Planning Board
is all About

It is intense, rigid, and over-regulation. It is control and a power grab by a
board that was less than Zoning and just there. Now they want the spot light and
they want to trigger site plan review at a drop of a few buckets of soil; demand
and order sidewalks; demand plantings; and even demand that neighbors
erroneously clean out the pond at Shankpainter. Now they wanted to add---lumens,
watts, and the type of lighting that we use; then enforce and demand businesses
to add bike racks; and then regulate storage containers.

When enough is enough?  At this town meetings, the voter did say: enough!
6:25 pm edt 

Re: The People Spoke!

"Your argument  displays a total ignorance of  the concept of
randomness. It is obvious that the population at STM was random. Voters
(population universe)attended of their own individual volition. They were not
selected! And they made individual choices, the aggregate of which represented
the voted (weighed) outcome ergo "The People Spoke".


Ergo, you have no clue about statistics and sampling.  The 243 attendees
certainly were selected; they were 'self" selected.  That is like people
volunteering to be included in a poll, as they do with on-line surveys.  The
good people who attended the town meeting automatically identified themselves as
being different than the total universe of voters.  90% of the voters chose to
NOT be included.  10% chose to be included.  The only conclusion that could
possibly be drawn is that only 10% of the registered voters attended the
meeting.  It says nothing about the other 90% except that they did not attend. 
A truly random sample of the thoughts of the total universe of registered voters
could only be done by randomly selecting a statistically significant number of
voters from the entire list and polling them.

To believe that a self selected group is a random indication of the universe is
folly. So, to use your terms, ergo, SOME of the people spoke.  They may or may
not have been an indicator of how the other 90% thinks. We have no way of
knowing.
10:27 am edt 

Re: The People Spoke!

"Your argument displays a total ignorance of the concept of
randomness. It is obvious that the population at STM was random."


You are joking again, aren't you.

Self-selection is not random. Look it up online or in any statistics textbook. 
Here is only one such example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
10:21 am edt 

Clouds of Desperation

If all of these blogs and facebook pages existed in 1980--they would be saying
the same thing about the desperation some people feel living here with only
summer time employment.

here we are all of these years later and these blogs and facebook pages are full
of the angst of working jobs that don't pay the rent. MOVE to a place you can
afford to live.

Year, after year after year it is the same story. One would think that the town
is only full of discontent and people fuming over their living situation--a
living situation that they chose for themselves.

I hardly read these things anymore because of all of the negativity. I just pass
over them now for town news.

What did Thoreau say,"The mass of men live lives of quiet desperation"--except
here it isn't quiet. People rail and lift their fist because she are choosing to
live in a place that can't support them working only summer months.

Face the facts because life isn't going to change here and affordable housing
won't be that affordable as insurance raters go up and electric rates go up (and
these units are heated with electric heat).

Anyone who moves here expecting to live a middle class life style working
summers only and collecting unemployment needs a wake up call. look before you
leap.
10:19 am edt 

Thursday, October 30, 2014

Re: The People Spoke!

"Statistical analysis? Joking, right? Statistics that try to extrapolate a
sample to a universe do not start with a self-selected sample. It is totally
invalid. If the 243 attendees had been randomly chosen then it may be a
significant value in the analysis. Since the attendees were not randomly chosen
any extrapolation is meaningless.

Since only less than 10% of the population attended and since that group was not
chosen at random, there is no logical extension that "the people have spoken"
Sorry, that is not my rule but the rule of genuine statistics and logic, not
just redefining things to fit preconceived or desired outcomes.

It is not whether I like it, or you like it. It is science and logic."


Your argument  displays a total ignorance of  the concept of randomness.
It is obvious that the population at STM was random. Voters (population universe)
attended of their own individual volition. They were not selected! And they made individual
choices, the aggregate of which represented the voted (weighed) outcome ergo "The People
Spoke".

Your obvious ignorance of the basics of a statistical construct such as randomness 
is both embarrassing and tiresome. As for your "less than 10%" statement, the law
defines the representative acceptable metric as a "quorum", which was met, except for
the last article. 

It is one thing to desire an outcome, it is another to affect it. Yes it is true that there
are those that embraced the outcome. However,  they in noway individually predetermined the
outcome and as you said, it's logic founded on philosophical and mathematical processes.

The process of aggregation determined the outcome.

9:52 pm edt 

Re Donegan Yingling Letter

They said

"In last week's editorial, the Banner suggested that Provincetown is yet again at
a crossroads. We strongly disagree; in fact, the year-round economy of
Provincetown has been in steady, unabated decline for 20 years. If we don't do
something now, the choices will no longer be ours to make..."


Isn't that the definition of a crossroads?
7:35 pm edt 

Re: As a Business Owner, I Was and Am Oppposed

"So you want to call me out do you?  Here I am.....we need more not
less year round businesses in Town.

Chach, The Animal resort, the Provincetown Gym are God Sends to our economy. And
what have we done this past year to them? site plan review or promise of future
review.

This scares the hell out of them due to increased cost of building, loss of
parking (even one spot can make or break someone in this town) and now loss of
storage.  The bike lady (who has her own issues to be fair) can only store to
the side of her building so this new by law would have shut her down!  Loss of
parking, business, jobs, and taxes are economic and FINCOM cares and will
continue to care, vote and collaborate on Economic issues.

And if you need to know we are on the right side of history, the fact that David
Bedard and I agree should be proof positive. I mean that NEVER happens :).

Could fincom support some of these things? Potentially. But it's the proponents
job to vet things and prove their Net Benefit to the Town not our job to figure
it out. We spent an hour with the Planning Chair & Planner before TM and look
forward to working together if they want to pursue these things....until then,
the votes were pretty clear.

Mike C, Fincom"



Now this is certainly a revelation about the ego and personal identity of Mike
C.  Notice that he says what the FinCom will and won't do, but he has never
taken a vote on these things since they are hypothetical.

Businesses are not "god sends, but merely efforts by the owners to make money. 
They don't have a business to make our town better, they do it for themselves
and a good sife effect is to hopefully improve the town.  i say this because I
owned a business before retiring here. I was in the CoC where my business was
and never heard a single fellow business owner say that they started the
business to benefit anyone but themselves.  Site plan reviews are not an evil
attempt to crush a business but required by the laws that WE passed to protect
the town. Modern buildings and our way of life can greatly interfere with the
basic necessities of life like clean water.

If your business cannot live with reasonable regulation to keep you from paving
the entire lot and discharging storm water into neighbor's property and having
poorly positioned and unmaintained garbage facilities, then you don't deserve to
run the business at the expense of the other businesses that comply and the
townspeople who deserve the quality of life that might be jeopardized.

i am glad that the people of PT have put into place regulations that prevent
people like you from having unfettered ability to do as you please to make your
life better at the expense of the public and neighbors.

Now, after you have stopped breathing hard, tell us exactly the law that permits
the FinCom to get involved here at all. If you can show a financial impact
statement to the town, do so.    You and I probably can agree on quite a few
things like, what month it is, but that means nothing in terms of proving the
worth of a political position.

People post here about the Planning Board wanting to seize power and control of
the town, but fail to see the political ambitions of a FinCom that is out of
control.
7:31 pm edt 

Re: Glad to See Residency Requirements Remain

"Then be sure to be able to pay them or make arrangements for them to
be housed. Keep in mind, median home in Provincetown is around $500K, mortgage
on that would be around $2000/month on a 30 year note"



From the Banner last week:  Median price in town is $731,000 and income to
afford that is $136,000/yr.
7:24 pm edt 

Re: School Principal

"Why are the school principal and superintendent given a pass on
residency requirements? A 110,000 dollar salary plus benefits ms
principal,please."



I'm sure that someone who favors the residency requirement can tell us why. 
What is gained?  How does it make them better? How do we taxpayers get a better
job done?  I personally don't see how a person who lives in town but right at
the Truro line can do a better job that someone living in Truro but right at the
PT line.  They could live 100 yards apart, or even less. Maybe a 20 second
longer commute.  Close enough to partake in a lot of community life.
7:20 pm edt 

"These Are Our Rules - Live Here or Leave"

You don't get it, Lord and master of the universe. Not only will great potential
town administrators not apply, once they get a load of the lousy politics and
townspeople with obnoxious, self-righteous attitudes like yours - they'll RUN
screaming.

And to the out-of-the box BOS members: stop with the charade. You didn't expect
a push-back when you announced a new town manager search, at additional cost no
less, but here it is. Obviously the brilliant thinkers you're listening to
didn't have a clue either. Hire Michelle. Move on to other business with this
competent leader.
7:19 pm edt 

Re: The People Spoke!

"almost want to ask what planet are you on. but I won't. Of course,
Planning is out to regulate, control and gain power in this weird way. They are
there, sadly, to opt for power while trying to diminish the power of businesses
in this
town.

It is not complicated. It is not even rocket science. It is simply a grab for
power--there is no town manager--there is no police chief--there is really not
even a building commissioner from what I heard from him. So, in the vacuum of
power, the Planning board has entered, presented, and made their attempt to hurt
businesses and most of all us.

Is it that they want to hurt businesses? I don't think so, but they want power
over everyone and that includes those who own businesses."


Ok, I'll go along with their desire for power, for the sake of debate, but what
do you think they intend to do with the power once they have it.  Can they do
away with the BOS?  Can they change the by-laws and Charter?  If they can't then
haw can they really get this "power".  Something is missing here, and I think
that it is reality.  Without Town meeting approval the Planning Board can't do
anything.  If the Town meeting approves that means that "the people have spoken"
and that is what the people want, and so Freedom Will Ring.  Now if you accept
that only town meeting can change the regulations and that town meeting is the
voice of the people, then WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?  Sorry to introduce reality and
logic into this fairy tale of conspiracy.
7:16 pm edt 

Re: The People Spoke!

"Maybe it's just the same reason that the national average for voting
is just over 50%, the same percentage that go to the ballot box in Provincetown
as well. Also the 243 at STM is pretty much unprecedented. Town Meeting
attendance has
been going UP the past couple of years, as more people are getting involved.
Wasn't it Truro that couldn't even get a quorum? Also have you heard of
statistics? Because a statistical analysis says that having everyone in town
show up wouldn't have changed the votes. The 243 is a statistically significant
sample. So the people did speak. And if you don't like it, well that's the way
voting works."


Statistical analysis?  Joking, right?  Statistics that try to extrapolate a
sample to a universe do not start with a self-selected sample.  It is totally
invalid.  If the 243 attendees had been randomly chosen then it may be a
significant value in the analysis.  Since the attendees were not randomly chosen
any extrapolation is meaningless.

Since only less than 10% of the population attended and since that group was not
chosen at random, there is no logical extension that "the people have spoken" 
Sorry, that is not my rule but the rule of genuine statistics and logic, not
just redefining things to fit preconceived or desired outcomes.

It is not whether I like it, or you like it.  It is science and logic.
7:11 pm edt 

Oh, Brother

I almost want to ask what planet are you on. but I won't. Of course, Planning
is out to regulate, control and gain power in this weird way. They are there,
sadly, to opt for power while trying to diminish the power of businesses in this
town.

It is not complicated. It is not even rocket science. It is simply a grab for
power--there is no town manager--there is no police chief--there is really not
even a building commissioner from what I heard from him. So, in the vacuum of
power, the Planning board has entered, presented, and made their attempt to hurt
businesses and most of all us.

Is it that they want to hurt businesses? I don't think so, but they want power
over everyone and that includes those who own businesses.
10:57 am edt 

Time to Think Outside the Box

Sad, but not a surprise, that Donegan and Richter wrote their appalling
viewpoint in this week's Banner trying to justify their lack of leadership. Time
to think outside the box?  No, it's not time to think outside the box, it's time
to end the division in Town and start the healing process.   

It is time to put your petty tyranny aside for the sake of the town.   It is time
to set aside your egotiscial pursuit of an elusive Town Manager that doesn't
exist (i.e. "The idea that we only need a strong administrator as our town manager
is profoundly wrong. We need much more than just that....").  True leaders would
start the healing process instead of continuing an egotistical and divisive strategy that
the majority do not support.  It's time to listen to the people. 

The timing of the viewpoint is particularly offensive given the input from voters at the
recent Special Town Meeting.   Did you hear the boos when Mr. Hatch referenced

The former Police Chief and Town Manager?   Did you hear the input of the voters? 
Are you aware that the Police Chief begins arbitration today?  Are you aware that of
why your lead candidate for Town Manager turned down the position? Do you really
think a new Town Manager will be the panacea for all that is wrong?  Please, for the
sake of the Town we all love, start to LEAD today by starting the healing process.  

You can't fix anything until you bring the Town together.  Until you realize that simple
philosphy, then we have not bottomed out yet.   "Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of angry men? It is the music of the people who will not be
slaves again"
10:26 am edt 

Re: The People Spoke!

"The attendance at the meeting was less than 250 voters out of over 2800
registered voters. So it might be fair to say that 90% of "the people" didn't
bother to speak.  Why?  Good question.  Maybe out of a feeling of
ineffectiveness."


Maybe it's just the same reason that the national average for voting is just
over 50%, the same percentage that go to the ballot box in Provincetown as well.
Also the 243 at STM is pretty much unprecedented. Town Meeting attendance has
been going UP the past couple of years, as more people are getting involved.
Wasn't it Truro that couldn't even get a quorum? Also have you heard of
statistics? Because a statistical analysis says that having everyone in town
show up wouldn't have changed the votes. The 243 is a statistically significant
sample. So the people did speak. And if you don't like it, well that's the way
voting works.
10:21 am edt 

School Principal

Why are the school principal and superintendent given a pass on
residency requirements? A 110,000 dollar salary plus benefits ms
principal,please.
10:06 am edt 

Sorry Harry or Harriet

But the people did speak. they voted and they made their preferences known.
Period.
10:04 am edt 

Tough

You don't like that only 250 people voted and decided for you. then attend these
long not so exciting meetings. and then change the Charter so that it is 10% of
our population that must be there. I would applaud that. but then you would need
350 people or at times a little less. That would be good but they would not be
there.

so nothing would happen. By the way, stop complaining. Or call your Mother. she
might put up with you but I don't.
10:03 am edt 

It is Not Parochial to Have top Town leaders Live in Town

They need to be here--here in Provincetown. And if they don't like our residency
requirements, no problem. go elsewhere.

They need to be here and forget the wacky debate of first amendment rights.

These are our rules. Live here or leave.
10:02 am edt 

Proposed Bylaws

I'm willing to bet a few of the articles that were brought before town meeting
were done in an effort to protect some board members property or privacy like
the lighting bylaw. Stop trying to throw more and more bylaws our way we have
enough already.
9:33 am edt 

Re: Glad to See Residency Requirements Remain

Then be sure to be able to pay them or make arrangements for them to be housed.
Keep in mind, median home in Provincetown is around $500K, mortgage on that
would be around $2000/month on a 30 year note, 20% down. That expense and then
add in the costs to live here for other expenses and taxes. Not easy on the
paltry sum the town was offering.
9:31 am edt 

Re: The People Have Spoken

Until we needed to provoke leadership changes, Town meetings were
lucky to get 100 people most of whom were Town Staff and Board members all of
whom seemed to vote one, self interested way. We're now at 2.5 times that and
the votes seem to be much more in line with the general electorate. I dare say
they are statistically valid sample now. So yes we came, we spoke and we did
good.  Sour grapes must taste so bitter.
9:29 am edt 

Re: As a Business Owner, I Was and Am Oppposed

So you want to call me out do you?  Here I am.....we need more not
less year round businesses in Town.

Chach, The Animal resort, the Provincetown Gym are God Sends to our economy. 
And what have we done this past year to them? site plan review or promise of
future review.

This scares the hell out of them due to increased cost of building, loss of
parking (even one spot can make or break someone in this town) and now loss of
storage.  The bike lady (who has her own issues to be fair) can only store to
the side of her building so this new by law would have shut her down!  Loss of
parking, business, jobs, and taxes are economic and FINCOM cares and will
continue to care, vote and collaborate on Economic issues.

And if you need to know we are on the right side of history, the fact that David
Bedard and I agree should be proof positive. I mean that NEVER happens :).

Could fincom support some of these things? Potentially. But it's the proponents
job to vet things and prove their Net Benefit to the Town not our job to figure
it out. We spent an hour with the Planning Chair & Planner before TM and look
forward to working together if they want to pursue these things....until then,
the votes were pretty clear.

Mike C, Fincom
9:26 am edt 

The People Have Spoken

"Special Town Meeting

A Great success

The People Have spoken

Bravo Provincetown!"



Well said from a site that wants to educate the public.

maybe this sceaming red headline might have said;

"Special town meeting

Over with mixed feelings

A small percentage of the people have spoken

Too bad Provincetown that you did not participate in your government."


Would that be closer to the truth?
9:24 am edt 

Wednesday, October 29, 2014

The People Spoke!

Side note to all those that like to tell us that "The people spoke"

The attendance at the meeting was less than 250 voters out of over 2800
registered voters. So it might be fair to say that 90% of "the people" didn't
bother to speak.  Why?  Good question.  Maybe out of a feeling of
ineffectiveness.  Maybe because they don't like being belittle and demeaned by
those that don't agree with them. They chose to allow others to make their
decisions and I feel that they are wrong for that, but I also understand how
vexing it can be to sit though all the bluster and grandstanding and personal
attacks.
2:30 pm edt 

Glad to See Residency Requirements Remain

We need our town manager and our fire chief and our police chief and our DPW to
live here in town--not somewhere on the Outer Cape. We need them here and I
applaud those who voted to maintain this key requirement.
2:29 pm edt 

Business Owners Were Not Fooled

You'd Have to Be Naïve Not to See Planning as enforcing and
controlling our businesses

This was just not casual "ideas"; this was the presentation with the intent to
enforce new rules, new regulations, new demands that place the Planning board as
town enforcer. Move just a few buckets of dirt and many of us with businesses
would find we had to install bike racks, had to monitor lights to 75 watts, had
to alter the type of lighting to conform to Planning's rules, and then have to
evaluate every storage unit brought to our businesses and used on our land.

this is not just suggestions for the good. this is enforcing and policing for
the worse. This is not what Provincetown needs nor what Provincetown is about.

I agree with many of the postings here that we do not need more rules--if
anything we need less rules.
2:27 pm edt 

Re: As a Business Owner, I Was and Am Oppposed

"Attorney Chris Snow, very aptly addressed the justification for
FinCom's involvement with problematic Articles which affect the the prime assets
of Provincetown i.e. real estate and business revenues.

To Ignore these realities would be an abrogation of their fiduciary
responsibility. Your dogmatic concept of their limited role in government belies
these truths."


So now we have a small town lawyer telling us what the law is. You stretch it
any way you want, but the fact is, Snow is NOT the Supreme Judicial Court, not
even a local district court.  His opinion matters just as much as yours and
mine.  His experience with municipal law is inconsequential.  The articles would
have had zero effect on the revenue to the town and, if the FinCom, or Snow
thought that they would, that data should have been presented to the meeting as
a reason for the FinCom involvement.  None was presented because there was none.
I would be pleased if Mike C. were to post on this site his economic analysis of
the effects of the articles in question.  He won't because he did none.  Just
meddling in the business of other boards as if he had standing.  He does have
the same standing as I do, but his board has no standing at all in these matters
unless he can prove that it does..
2:23 pm edt 

Re: As a Business Owner, I Was and Am Oppposed

"Why is it so hard to understand how our government works. Planning do NOT try
to "FORCE" anything on us. They merely proposed an article for the
consideration of the meeting. That's all. No force. No conspiracy. No
oppression. No evil enforcement. A simple suggestion to do something and let
the small percentage of registered voters at the meeting vote it up or down. It
was all in the open in front of cameras. Nothing sneaky.

Speaking of the purview of other boards, since when did the By-laws or Charter
give the FinCom any authority to make a recommendation on non-financial
articles?"



Attorney Chris Snow, very aptly addressed the justification for FinCom's involvement with
problematic Articles which affect the the prime assets of Provincetown i.e. real estate and
business revenues.

To Ignore these realities would be an abrogation of their fiduciary responsibility. Your dogmatic concept of their limited role in government belies these truths.
11:31 am edt 

Re: As a business Owner, I Was and Am Oppposed

"[I am opposed] to all the zoning Rules that this planning board tried
to force upon us. As one person said at town meeting, they were Orwellian. they
were attempts to take
away choice and freedom and replace this with Planning board enforcement. this
is the last thing we need.

Planning should return to how they acted years back and not try to be THE
dominate board in time. they are even trying to regulate historic lighting which
is the purview of other boards.

Thank goodness many of us who run businesses in town and other voters voted
these oppressive new rules down."



Why is it so hard to understand how our government works.  Planning do NOT try
to "FORCE" anything on us.  They merely proposed an article for the
consideration of the meeting.  That's all.  No force. No conspiracy.  No
oppression.  No evil enforcement.  A simple suggestion to do something and let
the small percentage of registered voters at the meeting vote it up or down.  It
was all in the open in front of cameras.  Nothing sneaky.

Speaking of the purview of other boards, since when did the By-laws or Charter
give the FinCom any authority to make a recommendation on non-financial
articles?
11:11 am edt 

Re: Enough New Problematic Zoning Rules

"We have zoning rules and we do not need any more rules. Stop this
madness.

Well, the people did make their positions known and not one of these
Planning-generated, Planning-orchestrated rules passed. I am pleased about
this."



Please explain why it is "madness" to make a proposal to town meeting.  It is
just people doing what they think is right.  You and others disagree.  But, not
everyone. SO it is worth debating if it is possible to make our town better. 
Don't vote for an article if you don't like it.  That is not defeating "madness"
it is being democratic.

Also, please try to stay away from the conspiratorial words, like "orchestrated" 
It was not a conspiracy, only the honest attempt by well-meaning people to do
their jobs.  No wonder we find it hard to get people to serve in this place.
11:01 am edt 

Re: Enough New Problematic Zoning Rules

It was Fincom that raised the question of "Site Plan Review" being used as a tool to
trigger more stringent rules and to his credit, this issue was pursued by former Selectman
David Bedard as a business owner.

Mr.  Bedard questions and comments revealed the negative affects on businesses produced
by the Storage and Curb cut rules promoted by the Planning Committee. Also hats off to the Fire Chief Mike Travato, for his opposition to Planning's Articles.
10:58 am edt 

Enough New Problematic Zoning Rules

We have zoning rules and we do not need any more rules. Stop this madness.

Well, the people did make their positions known and not one of these
Planning-generated, Planning-orchestrated rules passed. I am pleased about this.
10:44 am edt 

Spot On!

After reviewing the STM on PTV, I found that the presentations against Articles 10,11 and 12
as presented by Clarence Walker on behalf of the Finance Committee were Spot - On in defining the nature of the problem with the  Planning Committee's proposals and in particular the problem  with the absents of a Local Comprehensive Plan, which he laid at the  feet of Town Planner.

Spot-ON!
10:42 am edt 

As a business Owner, I Was and Am Oppposed

[I am opposed] to all the zoning Rules that this planning board tried to force upon us. As one
person said at town meeting, they were Orwellian. they were attempts to take
away choice and freedom and replace this with Planning board enforcement. this
is the last thing we need.

Planning should return to how they acted years back and not try to be THE
dominate board in time. they are even trying to regulate historic lighting which
is the purview of other boards.

Thank goodness many of us who run businesses in town and other voters voted
these oppressive new rules down.
10:34 am edt 

Re: Why Would We Want Regulation of Our Light Bulbs?

"Why and why indeed. this is not being green. It is being regulated
and policed about lumens and light. What makes this Planning board believe they
and they alone determine rules, rights, and regulations. they are way over the
top andthey need to be put in their place--which means we live as we have and we don't
find site plan reviews triggering bike racks, curbs, loss of parking and light
metered to a 75 watt bulb.

Like a prison mentality seeping into this town. didn't we just stop this with
Jeff Jaran thrown out and Sharon Lynn off to the beaches of Rehobeth."



How dramatic, and wrong.  The Planning Board did not say that "they and they
alone determine rules, rights, and regulations."  They, in their lawfull right
to do so, propsed something that they thought would benefit the town.  They are
not "way over the top and they need to be put in their place"

What is the problem with others expressing opinions? So you don't agree with
them.  That doe not make them evil or enjoined in an over-the-top conspiracy to
take away your rights or subject you to a police state and living with a prison
mentality.  Perhaps, if you took on a measured well reasoned tone, you might be
of more value in your arguments.  But this nutty stuff is way out of place. You
sound like a living breathing Tea Party ad. makes me think of the Tea Party dope
with the sign that said,"keep your government hands off of my medicare"
10:12 am edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

"You do not have the right to have aroof over your head, you have the
right to EARN a roof ober your head. If you can't afford to live here :Don't!!!!
No one paid my way through  college,no one worked my two jobs for me. I live
here because I EARNED it!!!!    We the people of Provincetown, The Commonwealth
of Massachusetts  and the united Staes of America DO NOT OWE YOU!!"



Ok you good hearted soul.  How about disabled vets?  How about mentally
challenged people? What about others with severe disabilities"  What about those
that come from homes that were broken to little bits by bad parents who didn't
educate their kids or teach them anything?

Don't you dare use the term "We the people",because that includes me and I don't
buy into your miserable regards for your fellow humans.

Personally, I am very fortunate that I had the nurturing and ability to be
economically secure in my retirement, but I am smart enough and caring enough to
recognize that everyone is not so lucky (and that is all it is).  I had parents
that taught me how to work hard and educated me to take advantage of my ability. 
I did not do anything to choose my parents or my intellectual ability or
physical nature or my race or my gender or sexual orientation.

So stop with the silly lectures that devalue everyone that does not have what
you have.
10:10 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

"I work for the Cape Cod Times, in fact, so I wrote to refute your
post because it was so off base. And, honestly, I couldn't remember the number
of publications so I just copied the line from our marketing emails. NOW do you
want to post again? I didn't think so. But I have to say, someone must have
something really good on you for you to post like that. Why don't you stick to
things you know? "


So the Cape Cod Times employes people who claim to be "honest" but then take the
easy way out and spout BS without checking on well known facts.  If you can post
any kind of official Gatehouse policy that states that the Banner is dictated to
by the CCT then maybe you might have some credibility, but it won't happen, will
it.

What are talking about with the "someone must have
something really good on you".  Don't       while posting your baseless rants.
10:06 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Has a Housing Problem

"15 department heads attended last night's special town meeting  with
a waiver ... because they don't live in town.

When the folks managing your town don't live in town, (and especially when two
of the 15 are required to live in town), there is a problem."



You say that there is problem when the people that run the town don't live in
the town, but you failed to say what the problem is.  We don't have a town
manager or a police chief so why would the "acting" or "interim" people need to
follow that silly rule.  It is too xenophobic to be understood.
10:03 am edt 

$4,000,000 For Affordable Housing

Now the renters-who-demand-cheap want the taxpayers to spend Four Million
dollars to provide them with housing.

Go to their face book page--oh you can't because it is private. Year after year
after year--how many years has there been crying about affordable housing?

Now people are blocking people as though only the annotated are allowed to hear
their hallowed, sacred diatribes about their need to live here cheaply.

The need to demand that laws be enacted to tell landlords how to manage their
property.

Who wants to spend the Winters hear when the town is inhabited by rabid people
desperate and all consumed by their desire for an apartment that they can afford
working in the summers and taking the winter off.

Interesting phenomena how public their desperation published so openly day after
day for years now==and it is all due to the choices that they made and now they
want the taxpayers to feel guilty and provide them with housing.

This is how it looks to LOTS OF PEOPLE in this town. And these desperate people
will get the power, They will pass laws at town meeting and then the Attorney
General will deny them the laws that they pass because this is a free country.
You can't take people's property and tell to make it affordable FOR YOU--but you
will and another decade will go by and these folks will age from their 40s to
their 50s and beyond.

You chose to live here in a tourist economy and now you are middle aged and
older and you have spent years of your life RANTING AND RAVING, Ranting and
Raving, and ranting and raving about how unfair life is to you the life that you
chose to live; a life with limited jobs and income and limited choices that will
only get more and more limited. May your enjoy this glorious October day!
9:51 am edt 

Time to Sell Our Apartments

Now the hue and cry is to use the power of town meeting to control people's
property. Just read the postings below. Lets vote in draconian laws at town
meeting so that the town control's a landlord's property and thus make them do
what the renters at town meeting demand.

Oh yes, we are selling in a year or two-probably sooner after reading some
postings here.
9:35 am edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

"EARN a roof ober your head. If you can't afford to live here
:Don't!!!!
No one paid my way through  college,no one worked my two jobs for me. I live
here because I EARNED it!!!!    We the people of Provincetown, The Commonwealth
of Massachusetts  and the united Staes of America DO NOT OWE.."



Oh my. Time to go back to school and brush up on spelling and grammar. Maybe
take an anger management class as well.
9:33 am edt 

Tuesday, October 28, 2014

Re: Enough About Affordable Housing

We've done a lot, and spent millions on affordable housing. Do you know that no
one that works for the town qualifies for it? They make too much money. So what
exactly did this buy us? The real problem now is not "affordable housing" but
RENTAL housing for normal working people. That should be the number one thing
the town turns its attention to for the Spring. THE number one thing. Nothing
else. No light bulbs. No bike racks. No new police station. Nothing else. The
people who work in the town can't live here and it's not because of rent. It's
because there literally isn't any good year-round rental stock left in town
because everyone condo-ized everything and it's now more profitable to rent for
the season and not the year. The town needs to change these equations with a
combination of taxes, planning, and public/private partnerships. Think about a
development like The Landing except with just rental units where the town owns
the land. Think about 2 such places in town. If!
  we had double The Landing's capacity for year-round rental only, it would
change the town drastically. THIS should be what's on the plate for the Spring.
Maybe where the VFW is? How about we start there.
11:52 pm edt 

Provincetown Has a Housing Problem

15 department heads attended last night's special town meeting  with a waiver
... because they don't live in town.

When the folks managing your town don't live in town, (and especially when two
of the 15 are required to live in town), there is a problem.

Just saying ...
11:45 pm edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

"You have no idea who does what to whom at Gatehouse.  You are a typical
blowhard that spouts a few dubious bits and pretends then to be smart."



I work for the Cape Cod Times, in fact, so I wrote to refute your post because
it was so off base. And, honestly, I couldn't remember the number of
publications so I just copied the line from our marketing emails. NOW do you
want to post again? I didn't think so. But I have to say, someone must have
something really good on you for you to post like that. Why don't you stick to
things you know?
8:03 pm edt 

Re: Many People Won Last Night!

"The Planning Board has already injected its self into the decision
making prossess of the BOS through the associations of the BOS Chair and
Planning Board Chair as well as the relationship between the BOS Vice Chair and
the Town Planner.

Thank god for the professional stance of FinCom, which is reflective of the
quality of their recommendations, as approved by town meeting."


"Injected itself", eh? And how exactly was that done?  So what about the
association of the moderator with a member of the FinCom.  What about all the
other relationships in town  Should we all have nothing to do with each other? 
What about the relationship between the harbormaster and the boat captain that I
saw when they actually talked to each other?  You are totally nuts.  You think
that we all should operate in a vacuum with no contact with anyone ever to
express thoughts and debate issues , except of course, when approved by you and
members of the only professional board in town.  that board which has all the
true patriots.  that board that lets freedom ring throughout the town.  that
board  that refuses to understand its advisory only role.
7:35 pm edt 

Re: Planning Board

"What makes this Planning board believe they and they
alone determine rules, rights, and regulations. they are way over the top and
they need to be put in their place--which means we live as we have and we don't
find site plan reviews triggering bike racks, curbs, loss of parking and light
metered to a 75 watt bulb."



Where were you?  I guess that you missed the meeting.  The planning Board did
not decide a single thing.  They did not determine rules, rights and
regulations.  So why are you saying they think they should.  They made a proposl
just like any board or group can.  Get over it.  It is still a democracy and
they still can makes proposals andd= you can still votes yes or no.  grow up.
7:31 pm edt 

Re: Enough About Affordable Housing

The poster of the enough about community housing is not rich. The
poster moved to Provincetown like many others and decided to stay. The poster
worked hard, showed up for the job, did the work. The poster saved for a house
and pays property tax twice a year. So please, do not continue to say that we
need more affordable places for those that can't make it here. Move to someplace
you can afford if you can not make it on your own.
7:09 pm edt 

Chris Snow Was Good Last Night

He was often just the right voice to put things back on track. He provided a
needed voice that most of these articles should have been presented and voted on
at the annual town Meeting. special town meetings should be exactly that:
special and used, as he said, for extraordinary financial issues that cannot
wait until the spring.

Nothing here was special nor extraordinary and we could have and should have
waited for the spring to vote on these articles.
6:43 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

You do not have the right to have aroof over your head, you have the right to
EARN a roof ober your head. If you can't afford to live here :Don't!!!!
No one paid my way through  college,no one worked my two jobs for me. I live
here because I EARNED it!!!!    We the people of Provincetown, The Commonwealth
of Massachusetts  and the united Staes of America DO NOT OWE YOU!!
6:41 pm edt 

Re: Many People Won Last Night!

"While I do not disagree with your opposition to too much planning and Zoning, I
see no merit at all in your conspiracy theory about the board. They are good
people with whom we can disagree without attributing such dark motives to them.
As an aside please explain how they could dominate the BOS and FinCom. You did
say that. Did you mean it or were you just throwing out words as we see so
often here."

 

The Planning Board has already injected its self into the decision making prossess 
of the BOS through the associations of the BOS Chair and Planning Board Chair
as well as the relationship between the BOS Vice Chair and the Town Planner.

Thank god for the professional stance of FinCom, which is reflective of the quality
of their recommendations, as approved by town meeting. 
5:00 pm edt 

Why Would We Want Regulation of Our Light Bulbs?

Why and why indeed. this is not being green. It is being regulated and policed
about lumens and light. What makes this Planning board believe they and they
alone determine rules, rights, and regulations. they are way over the top and
they need to be put in their place--which means we live as we have and we don't
find site plan reviews triggering bike racks, curbs, loss of parking and light
metered to a 75 watt bulb.

Like a prison mentality seeping into this town. didn't we just stop this with
Jeff Jaran thrown out and Sharon Lynn off to the beaches of Rehobeth.
4:48 pm edt 

Re: Many People Won Last Night!

"We do not need another form of policing. We need instead love of this
town, appreciation for its beauty and at times its quirkiness.

Let freedom ring as it did last night!"



OMG, please stop with the mindless Tea Party stuff.  "let freedom Ring"  Yikes,
what silly stuff.  Is zoning to keep gas stations from residential neighborhoods
against your freedom.  What about allowing a foundry to operate next to a
school?  What about specifications for building houses?  What about electrical
codes? The only ringing that you hear is in your ears from the mindless slogans
that you think make for patriotism.  Without rules and regulations you would
have people putting all kinds of things in all kinds of places to destroy the
beauty of the town.  What if we allowed storage containers on private beaches
that went right down to the water line? reasonable regulations that are adopted
after civil debate are good for a civilized society and may curtail some of your
freedom, but will provide protections of other freedoms. I have no problem with
the decision of Town meeting, although I may have a different thought on the
matter, but I don't condemn those that diffe!
red one way or the other.  Is it ok to exercise freedom of speech without all
the vitriol fromthe likes of people like you?
4:45 pm edt 

Re: Enough with Affordable

I am certain that the poster who is saying enough with affordable
housing must be rich and a snob and not care if people have the right to have a
roof over their heads. I don't know anyone that wants something free. They want
to be able to live. Who the heck are you to say, "move and when u can afford to
live here, come back" what a stupid thing to say. Most of the people that need
housing are people that were born here. Why should they have to move? Why can't
there be housing opportunities for these people? The town allowed the rich to
move here and start making decisions and that's where things went bad.
Especially saying to people to leave. What if they have children in school here?
What does that do to the children??? People like you make me sick, this town is
for everyone and it should be and needs to be. Its the year rounders who make
this town sustainable, not the uber rich who use this town as their playground.
Have a heart or have you lost that along with !
your morals??
4:43 pm edt 

Re: Chris Snow - His Night to Shine

"The voters saw through all the BS of the Land Bank PR Spin Machine.
Let's hope that we never have to hear from them again.

The party is over with the Land Bank and should now be folded into the CPA for
affordable housing, which should be the sole business of the Board of Selectmen
as their #1 goal at every weekly meeting."



Two comments: First why do you have to characterize people with differing
opinions as being part of "A SPIN MACHINE".  They have a point of view and
expressed it.  You don't agree.  Ok Leave it at that.
Second:  You may have a major legal problem with merging the Land Bank Funds
with the CPA funds.  before you propose stuff like this  it is always a good
idea to get a little correct information on the subject.  The Two funds were
created by different laws with somewhat different reasons. Neither law was
written or passed by the BOS.  They were created at the state level.  Again, you
are very quick to damn others for having opinions that you don't share, however,
please be aware of your own ignorance when it comes to government and the laws
by which we live.  You can't simply make them up, or discard them , as you go
along in your fairy tale conspiracy world.
4:38 pm edt 

Many People Won Last Night!

"this is the attempt by Planning to dominate all boards and become
the zoning enforcers, the rule police and then even have the police giving
tickets and fines."


While I do not disagree with your oppoition to too much planning and Zoning,  I
see no merit at all in your conspiracy theory about the board.  They are good
people with whom we can disagree without attributing such dark motives to them. 
As an aside please explain how they could dominate the BOS and FinCom.  You did
say that.  Did you mean it or were you just throwing out words as we see so
often here.
4:26 pm edt 

BOS vs FinCom - A Difference in Leadership

The STM was very revealing as to the differences between the BOS and FinCom.
BOS was rudderless in  the wind, whereas FinCon was decisive and  purposeful.
 
FinCom came to the STM  well prepared and were consistent in their arguments and presentations. I for one have great respect for the hard and intelligent effort this board puts forth on behalf of the the town.

In patricular I like the way they debate issues between themselfs and  how they accept opposing arguments.
 
So much for the naysayers.
3:56 pm edt 

Many People Won Last Night!

Businesses certainly regained a balanced approach without the intrusive,
over-regulated proposals for lighting, bicycle racks and storage permission.
such reliance and institutionalized zoning rules that regulate every light ,
every bulb, and all under the guise of being green. this is not what being green
is about. this is the attempt by Planning to dominate all boards and become the
zoning enforcers, the rule police and then even have the police giving tickets
and fines.

The town voters voted this down as the other two over-regulations on forcing
businesses to put in bicycle rakes--again, this is called falsely being green.
and then the storage. We are fine without this rule and now fine that it was
voted down and by a big margin.

We do not need another form of policing. We need instead love of this town,
appreciation for its beauty and at times its quirkiness.

Let freedom ring as it did last night!
2:06 pm edt 

Chris Snow - His Night to Shine

Thank God for Chris Snow who brought sanity to a totally insane
situation on the Land Bank purchase last night.

The voters saw through all the BS of the Land Bank PR Spin Machine. Let's hope
that we never have to hear from them again.

The party is over with the Land Bank and should now be folded into the CPA for
affordable housing, which should be the sole business of the Board of Selectmen
as their #1 goal at every weekly meeting.

Board of Selectmen, you will speak louder by your weekly actions than your words
on affordable housing.

Get a plan together for Annual Town Meeting that makes sense for Provincetown
for voter approval and let's move forward.

We need bold, swift and new creative thinking and not reliance on old excuses
and barriers.
2:02 pm edt 

Kudos to Selectman Anthony!

Kudos to Selectman Anthony for his articulation in defense of spending
$200,000 for needed repairs to the police station.

His common sense leadership should serve as an example to his colleagues of what
is needed on the part of the Board of Selectmen to establish the trust of
voters.

Bobby, you truly understand this town and we love you for it!
2:00 pm edt 

Planning Board & Town Planner - STM Failures

I am totally disgusted by the response of the town planner at last
night's meeting saying that the town can do whatever it wants with regard to the
placement of its storage sheds all over town.

I applaud the former selectmen who educated the voters of the stupidity and
duplicity of standards being promulgated by the Chairman of the Planning Board
and the Town Planner.

Board of Selectmen: You really need to provide some common sense to these
outrageous bylaw proposals and ensure that the Chairman of the Board of
Selectmen recuses himself from these discussions.

How much more embarrassment and defeat can you endure, Board of Selectmen,
before the voters lose trust in you?

The Town Planner's arrogant response, and reported private insulting and
intimating and vindictive behavior to people who appear before her, coupled with
her boyfriend Selectmen's public defense of her with regard to the presentation
of flawed zoning articles at special town meeting, should serve as public notice
that these two individuals are not operating in be the best interests of the
town meeting body.

They have placed themselves on public probation with no residency requirement.

Ditto for the Planning Board, totally out of control on a mission to recreate
Washington, DC. in Provincetown.

Stop.
1:58 pm edt 

Re: Police Station

"To whom thinks repairs will be the solve all for the current
facility, may you consider this:
(1) The repairs will be extensive, why do I say that ? because I was the
custodian/janitor for the current facility for 26 years.
(2) The water in the basement,garage and lockup area will more than likely
require the building to be raised.
(3) When it's really cold out, the dispatchers need a floor heater to help keep
warm.
(4) If you or anyone need to talk to a Police Officer or you are brought in for
questioning, you will sit in the confrence room. So what's the problem you say ?
All I can say is, hope no one is in the lobby, because they could hear
everything that is said.
(5) In the room thats known as the pump room, the pvc piping that runs in front
of the electrical boxes is illegal.
(6) For a lot of the major work if not all of it to be repaired, good chance the
Police dispatchers and Officers will have to be relocated. No problem right ?
Wait till you have to set up a temp dispatchers console and the bill for housing
the prisoners in Truro is recieved.

That is only some of the "factual" issues. I'm sure the White House, Church and
other locations mentioned by a previous blogger, are places that do not have
these problems. No one has to believe me but the price tag to repair the current
facility will be a hefty one."



I certainly respect the time you spent working in the current station. 
Correcting all the problems that you mention will cost several hundred thousand
dollars But, it is hard to believe that these will cost more than a new station. 
We need an objective assessment by an architect with no connections to police
departments.  Let them do a complete survey of the site and come up with a
detailed list of each and every item that needs to be fixed to make the station
an efficient, safe and comfortable place to work.  The interview room can be
soundproofed.  A new pmp can be installed to keep the water out.   new heating
system can be installed.  All code problems can be addressed.  By the way, the
White is not the same as when it was rebuilt.  It did not have any of the modern
conveniences or necessities.  It has undergone many major renovations as have
many homes in town. People are constantly upgrading bathrooms and kitchens. 
They don't tear a house down to modernize a kitchen. 

If the current station has an adequate footprint to allow it to be renovated
to meet our needs, then we should do it.
1:49 pm edt 

Enough Already!

Yes it is expensive to live in Provincetown. No not everyone can
afford to buy property in Provincetown. Yes more jobs would make it easier to
live in Provincetown. However, not ever conversation at town meeting needs to be
turned around to community housing. As a full-time, property owning resident
there are things that I want done: maintain all town owned buildings, pave the
streets and make sure the schools needs are met first. Then with any money left
over talk to me about other things we might do with my tax dollars. Enough of
this constant give me a cheap place because of blah blah blah.
10:42 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

I never thought my response to the Banner editorial that I posted in here would
get as much attention as it did. I'm sorry if it offended some readers but it
had to be said. I like Sue and respect her to no end and hope she continues the
dialog. I also would like to thank Clarence et al for posting the comments. And
to answer some of the intrigue, I've never thought there was, is or has been a
"cabal" running the town.
10:39 am edt 

Re: Police Station

To whom thinks repairs will be the solve all for the current facility, may you
consider this:
(1) The repairs will be extensive, why do I say that ? because I was the
custodian/janitor for the current facility for 26 years.
(2) The water in the basement,garage and lockup area will more than likely
require the building to be raised.
(3) When it's really cold out, the dispatchers need a floor heater to help keep
warm.
(4) If you or anyone need to talk to a Police Officer or you are brought in for
questioning, you will sit in the confrence room. So what's the problem you say ?
All I can say is, hope no one is in the lobby, because they could hear
everything that is said.
(5) In the room thats known as the pump room, the pvc piping that runs in front
of the electrical boxes is illegal.
(6) For a lot of the major work if not all of it to be repaired, good chance the
Police dispatchers and Officers will have to be relocated. No problem right ?
Wait till you have to set up a temp dispatchers console and the bill for housing
the prisoners in Truro is recieved.

That is only some of the "factual" issues. I'm sure the White House, Church and
other locations mentioned by a previous blogger, are places that do not have
these problems. No one has to believe me but the price tag to repair the current
facility will be a hefty one.

Roger Green
10:37 am edt 

Jeff Jaran Appeal

Any word on Jaran's appeal? Has it happened yet? I thought it was at
the end of October.
10:35 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

Giving credit to Manso's pathetic book as a harkener of the future or
as honest tome is just...insane. What is amusing is Peter's pattern: bald
references to wrong doing to him, real or imagined; digging up or making up dirt
to sully those that done him wrong. He's a pit bull backed into a corner that
asks to be taunted. No glory in that.
10:33 am edt 

Halloween or STM?

Given all the cray-crays are coming out of the wood work, it must be either
Halloween or Special Town Meeting.  My guess is it's STM!  Happy Halloween.
10:31 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial
"The Provincetown Banner obviously is catering to a certain audience,
and certainly that audience is not the "common" folk of Provincetown, but the
"Alix Richie" crowd, still making their mark on tinytown thru the influence
peddling done over the years.

We can all be assured that within the year, if people stop buying or subscribing
to that piece of propaganda, or fish wrapper, that Gatehouse will have to stop
absorbing the growing financial loses that they inevitably are suffering more
and more as people get their news from social media, as it is happening.

Why would anyone pay $2.00 for a sheet of real estate ads and classifieds and
days old news?? Why, why, why?? I remember the days when this type advertising
sheet was free just to get people to read the "news" and ads, now there is just
no reason to buy.

Anyone who has had any newspaper experience, in the business end, sees this
weekly rag is on it's last breath.

Advertisers get absolutely no value for their dollars spent.

Thankfully so!!"



Another Phony 'expert" who seems to think that people will actually believe this
poppycock because it appears in writing.
Couple of questions:

How many people get the banner in paper form or on-line?  How many people on the
"alix Ritchie" crowd?

How many good business people take out ads? If they are losing money, why are
the gatehouse management and stockholders continuing to keep it open?


You are right in your silly statement about the Banner closing if people stopped
buying it and taking ads.  But, they have not and only dopes like you think that
they will .  Actually, I'm rather positive that even you don't buy tour own BS. 
For some reason that I find difficult to understand, you and your fellow
conspiracy haters, think that your dreams are real.

Lots of people get the Banner.  There are lots of as in it by responsible
business people.  There is not now any boycott of threat against it.  gatehouse
bought it to make money and they are doing so.
10:28 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

"you suffer from delusional nightmares.  ONLY TOWN MEETING CAN CHANGE THE
CHARTER."


Always remember the people that react the loudest are the ones with the issues.
Always. It's like the loud preachers being caught with prostitutes. They yell in
hopes their attacks will distract you from what's happening. Don't be fooled.
10:04 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

"Nice deflection shot on goal, but since I'm playing the net here,
let's talk about ownership and local divisions. Gatehouse publishes 97 dailies
in 20 states and 198 paid weeklies, in addition to free papers, shoppers and
specialty and niche publications. If you think for a second that Gatehouse is
watching what is published by The Banner, I have a lighthouse to sell you. The
publications are run semi-autonomously, as anything in publishing is with a
corporation this size. Gatehouse has no clue what The Banner is publishing and
frankly doesn't care. What Gatehouse cares about is the ROI from the purchase.

Furthermore, resources are shared with the (larger) Cape Cod Times and they are
subordinate to their reporting structure. So while technically you are correct that CCT
does not OWN The Banner, it is subordinate in reporting structure to it, and is
allowed to share resources with it to make it more viable. So keep up the posts
where you're either distorting the truth or outright lying. The other poster had
it correct when he/she said Manso had it right in his book. If anyone reads what
Manso wrote, and watches what's happening here now, they're realize that he was
more on the money than people give him credit for around here. And those sticky
and nasty trails all lead back to the same people. Follow the money here as well
and you'll begin to understand how all th!
is fits and how's writing these deflection posts."



Wow!! Quote a few publicly known facts about Gatehouse and then act like you are
the CEO of gatehouse. Who, in god's name , made you part of the Gatehouse
managment team?  You know NOTHING about their corporate governance.  NOTHING. 
They are in business to make money.  that is the only reason.  It is just NOT
TECHNICAL that gatehouse owns the Banner, rather than the CCT, it is fact. You
have no idea who does what to whom at Gatehouse.  You are a typical blowhard
that spouts a few dubious bits and pretends then to be smart.  You basis
assumptions are FALSE so your house of accusatory cards crumbles without a
foundation. There are tons of conspiracy web sites and books.  You must have
them all bookmarked. They all have that one thing in common a false foundation
whereby they make up or quote a tidbit that then gets expanded into knots of BS
garbage,
10:01 am edt 

Monday, October 27, 2014

Re: Banner Editorial

"secretly, they're beholden to someone behind the scenes
who's been lavishing money on them for property, vacations, and similar items.
Similarly, they've lost control of the ability to change the Charter by the
people who exposed the email chains that went on prior to the formation of the
committee (with more to come). So what this means is that they've realized their
limited ability to continue down the same path in town. The path that led to
riches for those people "in the group" who were allowed to buy and sell property
for outrageous profit while slowly stripping the town of any "unwanted"
elements."



My god, how hate turns into fantasy.  How and why would anybody "lavish" this on
anybody?  In your dreams you think that a single person or even small group can
change the Charter to suit their own nefarious schemes?  You don't have dreams
you suffer from delusional nightmares.  ONLY TOWN MEETING CAN CHANGE THE
CHARTER.

Who bought and who sold the property for "outrageous profit" facilitated by the
in group.  Who forced anyone to buy and sell?  What property?  Call the Attorney
general.  Call the district attorney.  Call the cops.  Call the FBI.
Call the IRS.

When was the last time that you had a rational thought?  When did you start this
conspiracy fairy tale stuff?  When did you start to make up your own laws and
rewrtite the town meeting rules for charter change?
3:46 pm edt 

You're Nuts

Clarence is friends with Alix. He  does not have in for her but has been a good
friend for many years.

Where are you coming from? Obviously not from here.

Such bull foaming from your mouth.
3:05 pm edt 

Re: Police Station

"The polce station has been visited, inspected, commented on for the
past two years.  The building is in such poor condition because the town has
been remiss in its required maintenqnce of this facility just as it has been
remiss in maintining most of its infrastructure.  No building (let alone a public
building), can survive in a servicble condition without regularly scheduled as
well as periodic maintenance, which includes updating of facilities.  Our town
does not regularly maintain its buildings.  It is always "Emergency Repairs.
Hopefully the new town manager will hold department heads accountable."


My guess is that you have not been able to figure out yet how people react to
budgets that might mean tax hikes.  Also, you should know that governments
officials know very well the above attitude towards taxes.  The answer, keep
budgets lower for maintenance until things have gotten to point that they are
unsafe or the public screams.  This is not just Provincetown or any other town. 
It is every government entity everywhere.  When the building/bridge etc gets too
bad, then the public will scream to replace it and the officials will call for a
bond issue to pay for a big bill. It is all a game by the taxpayers and the
officials.  Don't blame Provincetown.  I have lived in many places and have yet
to find a single place that spends on maintenance in a timely fashion.
3:03 pm edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

When will you learn that people tend to have friends that have similar opinions
on things and other similar interests.  That is not conspiracy or evidence of an
active "cabal"."

On the contrary the editorial in the Banner is am unfortunate public freak-out
by those people that flee to Florida every year that they're finally lost all
control of the Town Manager selection process, and won't get someone who'll do
what they want because, secretly, they're beholden to someone behind the scenes
who's been lavishing money on them for property, vacations, and similar items.
Similarly, they've lost control of the ability to change the Charter by the
people who exposed the email chains that went on prior to the formation of the
committee (with more to come). So what this means is that they've realized their
limited ability to continue down the same path in town. The path that led to
riches for those people "in the group" who were allowed to buy and sell property
for outrageous profit while slowly stripping the town of any "unwanted"
elements. Do you think it's an accident where we are as a town? Think again. Who
profited the most? Who used charities as a lever to get their way and installed
people in them and on their boards? Who made "investments" for them? Just a
little footwork, or a little discreet talk with the right people and suddenly all that
has been happening makes perfect sense.

Try to find those people.
3:00 pm edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

"So sorry to burst your bubble, but no one bought the Banner to promote an
"agenda". The Cape Cod Times is not, and ever has been, the owner of the Banner. 
It is also owned by Gatehouse."


Nice deflection shot on goal, but since I'm playing the net here, let's talk
about ownership and local divisions. Gatehouse publishes 97 dailies in 20 states
and 198 paid weeklies, in addition to free papers, shoppers and specialty and
niche publications. If you think for a second that Gatehouse is watching what is
published by The Banner, I have a lighthouse to sell you. The publications are
run semi-autonomously, as anything in publishing is with a corporation this
size. Gatehouse has no clue what The Banner is publishing and frankly doesn't
care. What Gatehouse cares about is the ROI from the purchase. Furthermore,
resources are shared with the (larger) Cape Cod Times and they are subordinate
to their reporting structure. So while technically you are correct that CCT does
not OWN The Banner, it is subordinate in reporting structure to it, and is
allowed to share resources with it to make it more viable. So keep up the posts
where you're either distorting the truth or outright lying. The other poster had it
correct when he/she said Manso had it right in his book. If anyone reads what Manso
wrote, and watches what's happening here now, they're realize that he was more on
the money than people give him credit for around here. And those sticky and nasty
trails all lead back to the same people. Follow the money here as well and you'll
begin to understand how all this fits and how's writing these deflection posts.
2:57 pm edt 

Re: Police Station

Not so sure if the dept heads should be held accountable. Dept heads report
working conditions of buildings it seems the taxpayers don't want to spend the
money to bring the buildings to good working standards.
2:52 pm edt 

Re: Banner

The Provincetown Banner obviously is catering to a certain audience,
and certainly that audience is not the "common" folk of Provincetown, but the
"Alix Richie" crowd, still making their mark on tinytown thru the influence
peddling done over the years.

We can all be assured that within the year, if people stop buying or subscribing
to that piece of propaganda, or fish wrapper, that Gatehouse will have to stop
absorbing the growing financial loses that they inevitably are suffering more
and more as people get their news from social media, as it is happening.

Why would anyone pay $2.00 for a sheet of real estate ads and classifieds and
days old news?? Why, why, why?? I remember the days when this type advertising
sheet was free just to get people to read the "news" and ads, now there is just
no reason to buy.

Anyone who has had any newspaper experience, in the business end, sees this
weekly rag is on it's last breath.

Advertisers get absolutely no value for their dollars spent.

Thankfully so!!
2:51 pm edt 

How Wrong They Are

How the voice should be voiceless. show wrong they are in assessments, judgments
and analysis. you read something on mypacc and then think you know who wrote the
piece. Out of tune. Out of touch. Clueless on who are friends and associates.
they think they know and they are wrong headed and again clueless.

Even mypacc does not know who writes what others write. that I know.

Silence would serve you better. Best if you were Trappists monks or Carthusians.
but you would hardly understand.
2:40 pm edt 

Re: Banner

"The Banner was founded with the singular purpose of promoting
gentrification. Manso's much vilified book identified the perpetrators of the
cabal's coup and was accurate in predicting the inevitable outcome"



This post was written with the singular purpose of promoting silly conspiracy
theories.  In the opinion of some, guilt by association is a way of life.  I
hope that no one sees me being pleasant to others as I go through the S & S.
Next thing, I'll be tagged as part of some conspiracy because I said hello to
someone.  As long as these posters live, Joe McCarthy will not be dead.  "Are
you now, or have you ever been, a member of the PT Cabal?  Have you ever known
or spoken to, or associated with any person accused by us as being or having
been members of the "Cabal"?"
2:37 pm edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

"Writing does no good, most newspapers and for that matter, most news
organizations, are "bought" by people who want to promote their own agenda. "



Gatehouse did not buy the Banner because it had an "agenda", except , of course,
the possibility that making money was their agenda.  And then we have John Henry
buying the Boston Globe for his "agenda".  And what is that? To make money.

SO sorry to burst your bubble, but no one bought the Banner to promote an
"agenda". The Cape Cod Times is not, and never has been, the owner of the
Banner.  It is also owned by Gatehouse.

So, gather your fellow conspiracy nuts and come up with another silly tale. 
When will you learn that people tend to have friends that have similar opinions
on things and other similar interests.  That is not conspiracy or evidence of an
active "cabal".  When you you see a person with whom you disagree politically
having coffee with another person, you knee jerk your way into another Cabal in
the making. Get over it and be happy.  Stop looking under the bed for more
goblins.
11:09 am edt 

Permit Coordinator

If the town planner is actually doing the work of the permit coordinator then
why do we need both the planner and a permit coordinator? Either she should be
doing the work we hired her for that is planner for a higher salary or she
should get permit coordinator salary if she is going to do the permit
coordinator job.

Now that I'm on the subject of money, why do we need both a town manager and an
assistant town manager? The assistant town manager stepped up to fill the
position as town manager and has been doing a fine job so why do we need to keep
funding both positions. We could eliminate the town planner position making that
position just permit coordinator and eliminate the assistant town manager
position. We would be saving close to about 150,000.00 dollars.  I'm tired of my
taxes going up, and up and up.
11:06 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial - Major Change Needed

"If anyone needs further elucidation on the Banner cabal, let me share some
additional important examples:"


WOW all I have to say is now you can connect some of the dots by following the
trail in this post. WOW again. THIS is why everyone reads this blog and why the
postings are anonymous. And now you know the people who scream the loudest about
that, and post on other pages, are the ones the dots lead to. Keep posting! Many
people here do not realize how long and interconnected all these trails are, and
to whom they all lead: the same small group of people over and over.
10:59 am edt 

Banner

The Banner was founded with the singular purpose of promoting
gentrification. Manso's much vilified book identified the perpetrators of the
cabal's coup and was accurate in predicting the inevitable outcome.
10:57 am edt 

Police Station

The polce station has been visited, inspected, commented on for the past two
years.  The building is in such poor condition because the town has been remiss
in its required maintenqnce of this facility just as it has been remiss in
maintining most of its infrastructure.  No building (let alone a public
building), can survive in a servicble condition without regularly scheduled as
well as periodic maintenance, which includes updating of facilities.  Our town
does not regularly maintain its buildings.  It is always "Emergency Repairs.
Hopefully the new town manager will hold department heads accountable.

10:54 am edt 

Sunday, October 26, 2014

Re: We Won't Miss the Fish Wrapper!

On top of all the other crazy stuff posted about a newspaper
editorial, the poster who complains loudly about how a private organization is
run, doesn't even know the owner of the Banner.  It is NOT owned by the Cape Cod
times and NEVER has been. It is owned by Gatehouse.  If this poster gets all
riled up because PIFF, a private group, chooses to operate in a certain way and
does not even know the owner of the paper that he so vilifies, then it would
follow that there is zero credibility in the ranting. Like it or not, the banner
and PIFF are both private and owe you and your fellow conspiracy nuts not a
thing.
2:43 pm edt 

Re: We Won't Miss the Fish Wrapper!

When Your Editorials are Rather Fishy

Then the Banner does become a fish wrapper par excellence. Wrap it up and throw
it away. too smelly
12:19 pm edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

"This week's editorial is the tipping point, and for those inclined, write to
the editor and publisher of the Cape Cod Time with your concerns if you have any
hope for objective and thorough journalism in this community."



Writing does no good, most newspapers and for that matter, most news
organizations, are "bought" by people who want to promote their own agenda. The
Banner has fallen into that model, bought and paid for by outside influence.
Additionally, weekly advertising sheets like this publish old news, social media
in small towns get out the news faster than a weekly paper.

Let the Banner rot and go out of business, we need them like we need a new
police station!
12:16 pm edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

He knows what he knows because he used to sit in that position. He knows what he
knows due to his very very close relationship with a multi time former
selectman. And for as long as he's been alive, he's been hugely opinionated but
lately has no outlet, thus the rants against the Banner and those that hold his
former position under a different name.
Think for two minutes and it will dawn on you and then yu say, "oh, I don't
really care what he thinks".
8:11 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial - Major Change Needed

Thanks, this is the Best and Most Intelligent Response I've seen

Thanks for the many who saw through the bull that was called an editorial. wow,
thanks for the history of the cabal and for the interconnective links of the
editor, the once manager, the once owner, the film festival, the theater and on
it goes.

But beyond all, thanks for the historical context and for the insight and
critical perspectives.
8:07 am edt 

Saturday, October 25, 2014

Goodbye Michelle, Goodbye Sharon

Now on to new territory and on to new possibilities.

It's about time we get a new leader and all that is involved in leadership. It
is more than a term. It requires qualities that few have and I see us gaining
that individual soon enough.

No, Michelle it is not you, as it turned out sadly for many, that it was not
Sharon Lynn either.

but now, the process is set and let us see who applies and who we select. It is
exciting and I look forward to the change that this person will bring to us.
10:32 pm edt 

Sorry But Gloria is Not the Permit Coordinator
 
She might be good at permits and advice to all and everyone on Planning,
Historic and zoning--but she is a town planner--not a permit coordinator. Her
job should be to provide all of us with long term planning, with a strategic
long-term comprehensive plan--not itsy bitsy maneuvering on little issues
related to these boards. that is hwat a permit coord9inator does. she is
supposed to be a town planner. that is very different from what she is
apparently doing.

We do not need two permit coordinators who are friendly and helpful. One will do
and let the other do long term thinking and planning.
10:30 pm edt 

Re: Banner Editorial - Major Change Needed

If anyone needs further elucidation on the Banner cabal, let me share
some additional important examples:

The former publisher of the Banner was very instrumental in establishing the
Provincetown Film Festival and recruiting the former Executive Director to PIFF
for a ten year period.

In fact, the Banner is a lead sponsor of PIFF thanks to the publisher.

Over time, the publisher became close friends with the Executive Director and
her partner along with the current Banner editor and her partner who was General
Manager of the Banner and the former arts editor and her partner, employing them
directly as well as indirectly through      ,                                             ,
    ,          ,                                                            
for a very small community newspaper.

The ultimate expression was  establishment of a Film Institute in the Executive
Director's name with a celebration at Truro Vineyards a few weeks ago,
etc.---all done quietly behind the scenes without finger prints.

An Example of the       :

When the Board of Directors hired the new Executive Director of PIFF last year
with no real reference checks and the new ED did nothing for four months other
than collect a paycheck and then his whereabouts couldn't be determined, the
board and the cabal had major egg on their face for their malfeasance in
recruitment and lack of oversight so they circled the wagons for damage control,
not knowing whether they could pull off the annual PIFF in June with nothing
having been done, so the PR machine, the Banner, took over the spin control to
mitigate the damage of the real truth circulating in the community.

The Banner story was buried in the bowels of the newspapers as a mere
resignation of the ED.

The former Executive Director was asked to return to clean up the mess so that
the show could go on.

HER REWARD:  The naming of a Film Institute in her name with a grand celebration
at Truro Vineyards several weeks ago.

BTW, guess who else serves on the PIFF Board of Directors:                    and 
                                                                                                             
                                                                                                            
                                                                                                           
                                                                                                           
What a small incestuous and totally innocent and coincidental world these people
weave in Provincetown and New York City together!

Another Example:

The ouster of the former publisher of the Banner by the Board of Directors of
the Provincetown Theatre five years ago. This was a major coup because the
publisher had donated $500,000 to buy the building and was the leading advocate
for the location which has not proven terribly successful.

Again, if you read the Banner article, it sounded more like a coronation and
ascension to heaven than the ouster and real blood bath and scheming which
occurred behind the scenes to obtain necessary board votes for the ouster.

The editor was again protecting her              .


Is this honest reporting? Doesn't the community, advertisers and sponsors and
subscribers to these cultural organizations deserve the truth rather than
omissions of truth?

To me, it's akin to the Texas Presbyterian cover up of Ebola.

And look what happened to that hospital, 50% drop in occupancy.

I don't think that the Cape Cod Times, who now owns the Banner, has a clue as to
how underhanded the players associated with the Banner are.

We need a major change at the Banner, starting with the editor, and a new one
who is known and approachable in the community, and is not beholden             
to a greater goddess.

This week's editorial is the tipping point, and for those inclined, write to the
editor and publisher of the Cape Cod Time with your concerns if you have any
hope for objective and thorough journalism in this community.

Otherwise, subscribers and advertisers should cancel their continuation of the
Banner as occurred 12 years ago with the Advocate.

It can be done, more so today with the tight operating margins of newspapers.
10:20 pm edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

"The Banner editorial reprimanding the three Board of Selectmen who
made the decision to reopen the town manager search and then attempt to
intimidate the board to hire MJ is highly insulting as Provincetown's hometown
newspaper, particularly saying "respectfully" which always raises suspicions in
my mind when such a word has to be introduced into the conversation."



I just finished reading the editorial in question for the third time, and for
the life of me cannot make a connection between the editorial and the post that
starts with the above quote.  "intimidate" because the paper dares to express an
opinion with which you find disagreeable?  My gosh, why the rant about
"anointing" and "old guard" and all the rest of the clap trap.  What is so wrong
with feeling that MJ might be a decent manager?  She may or may not be, but what
is wrong with having an opinion? Vision is not a requirement for the manager. 
that is for the policy making body, the BOS.

i strongly suggest that you reread the editorial and then rethink what you
posted in such shrill angry tones.
9:57 pm edt 

Me Thinks They Doth Protest Too Much!

For all the people who absolutely deny reading this page, it sure does
get a lot of mention and attention. Every time Jennifer Cabal reads this page
she quits all the forums. This time she stuck with her old pal, Oatsie, or
whatever the guys name is on the beacon blog, hahaha.
If you can't play ball with the big boys, stay home!
9:51 pm edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

Does the insistent, constant and paternal poster railing against the
Banner editorial see how thinly disguised the source is? Sir, at least change up
your argument and/or language. And, to claim the Banner is being manipulated
from Florida is laughable.

Finally, you must be a newbie. Those who have lived in Provincetown over a
decade know the value of MJ. I would also venture to say you are a misogynist,
as are many of the new cabal.
9:40 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

"The only wet noodle here is the one who noodled their way out of
putting on the Halloween Ball. Would you work with him to produce an event here
in Provincetown in the future?"



Only if the next Balls sold at least 75 tickets. But I'm planning on seeing
Slideshow on Broadway, so there! I'm no wet noodle like you.
9:37 pm edt 

We Won't Miss the Fish Wrapper!

I would not put much faith in an editorial by whoever the editor of
the banner is currently, whoever it is knows nothing about the workings of our
town....
Furthermore, the Banner is on it's last legs, and the "news" has been lousy
since Ann Wood left for greener pastures.
I used to look forward to Thursday, now I don't bother, the "news is either too
late, or screwed up by opinion rather than facts.
Whoever the outside agency is that owns the banner will not be here in another
year, mark my words.
And we won't miss the fish wrapper!
9:34 pm edt 

Friday, October 24, 2014

Re: Banner Editorial

"Well, Whoever Wrote This Editorial Against the Banner Editorial Bravo!"

Yes Bravo!! What a terrible editorial! I hear people talk about a "cabal" and I
think people are just conspiracy theorists. Then I see that editorial and I
think, wow, there really IS a cabal running around trying to get their way. No
where in that does it discuss WHY she should be appointed in terms of her
education, specific examples of forward thinking, leadership, or her advocating
for visions of the town. It's just a diatribe by some disgruntled person,
looking to be relevant and influence policy. People I know refer to the Banner
as "that high school newspaper". Congradulations! You've now proved that you are
nothing more than that, and a bad one at that.
10:55 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

Well, Whoever Wrote This Editorial Against the Banner Editorial

Bravo! so well written and so comprehensive in returning to a history that
caused many of us problems. It is well written and it should have been the
editorial that the Banner presented--the true editorial instead of the biased,
selective self-serving writing that is presented as an editorial.

what I also see as a problem is that editorial should reflect the town's
situation in an objective, intellectual way--not in a private, personal, and
subjective decision. This is unprofessional. It is more a personal letter
suffused with  sentiments for a friend than what an editorial ought to be.

Shame on the Banner and for the person who wrote it.
10:13 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

The overblown diatribe against the banner has a ring of insularity
that smacks of dictatorship.  What is the real problem with opinions being
expressed and some having disagreements with those opinions in a thoughtful way. 
Why is this site to full of attacks, not on ideas, but on people.  I could
couldn't care less about what thoughts are expressed by who.  It is very
unfortunate that the thought does not get attacked, but it is the person who
expressed that thought.  Say whatever you want.  Disagree with whatever is said. 
But, please stop with the xenophobic personal attacks.  They don't advance any
cause at all.  Joe McCarthy.  Rush Limbaugh.
9:24 am edt 

Re: Combine Assistant Town Manager with Town Planner Position

"Someone came up with a good idea that should have been implemented
before. The Asst. T. Mgr.was a Town Planner,so when a new T Mgr. is hired,the
current acting T. Mgr. can go back to his Asst. T. Mgr. place with Town planner
added! take some funds from the salary of the the recently hired Town Planner
(which was never needed), & increase David's salary to cover his position to do
both! That leaves the new Town Planner to be eliminated or to be moved to do
other duties, ie; secretary to another Dept if it's needed! You have the liberty
to change personnel positions that are Non-Union rather than eliminate the
single planners position, or it could be eliminated, Jobs are downsized all the
time! This is a better idea than to eliminate the Asst. T. Mgrs. position,since
he is a qualified Planner also!"


So you are saying get rid of Gloria our Town Planner. Question- have you had any
interactions with her. I have had many interactions with David and never got a
clear cut answer- sorta like who was that last building commisioner- oh yes russ
braun-(intentiional no caps on name-not in the least deserving) . I through a
different spin on it- I say get rid of David and let Gloria do what she does
best and is doing an outstanding job at taking complicatied bylaws etc and
expressing them in simple understandable terms.She is quite bright and when a
women is that intelligent it does have an adverse affect on those of the other
gender who are not. Leave Gloria be. She has just found her niche and is doing a
wonderful job.If anything- looking at your post i say get rid of David. He has
no passion for this town any longer. Btw- he too has his little favorites(sorry
to burst your bubble). Thats my take- also- i believe Gloria is here for a long
while. She is doing an exemplary job. and!
  no- I do not sleep with Gloria.Figured i would cover myself on that one
immmediately before you claimed this post to be from someone she is very close
to. So I say let David go= I am sure he would be relieved and yes- hire another
asst. Town manager with vision , Fairness,and no skeletons in his closet.
9:22 am edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

I find it fun to read the responses from some regarding posts or even better,
editorials in the local paper. It's usually pretty easy to figure out who it is
that's writing the response. I only wonder why he didn't sign his name?
Even funnier is how he shuns the outside world, telling those that have left
town to not try to influence the decisions here in town, that "we" know what
we're doing. In reality, the best selection for the position was a person who
hasn't come in from the outside, like the referenced former TM or police chief.
She's been working for the town for 30 years and knows all she needs to but was
turned away.

Not so sure "we" know what "we're" doing sometimes.
9:18 am edt 

Police Station

The fact remains a new station is needed.  Perhaps with the necessities to
operate.  The current facility is in deplorable condition.  I would further
venture to say that if anyone wants to view the current facility, I am sure a
tour would be beneficial.

Let's not just all speak without the unknown facts.  Just drop by, ask anyone in
the building for a tour and see for yourself what the men and women of the
Provincetown Police are working in.

I think you would be surprised.  Let's not go on someone's word.
9:16 am edt 

Thursday, October 23, 2014

Re: Provincetown Police Station
 
" The current police station has been occupied for at least the last
28-29 years. Does anyone realize the wear and tear it has gotten due to it being
a building that's in use 24/7 (for all those years) ???"



No argument from me about the use.  The White house has been in use for much
longer. And, supermarkets.  And, churches.  So what?  Maintenance and renovation
are the norm.  Because a building need work does not mean that we tear it down. 
If it is broken, fix it.
11:44 pm edt 

Re: Let's Examine the Facts and Get Real

"The Town Manager should have ideas, the Town Manager should have a
vision."


Really.  Where did you find that in the charter that describes the job?  The BOS
is the executive responsible for setting policy.  This town has too many people
that love to express uninformed opinions about town government functions.  Read
the charter.  read the by=laws.
11:41 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

Couldn't Agree With You More on the Michelle J situation

Being a nice person and having a pleasant personality is surely not the criteria
required or wanted or needed for the executive leadership of town manager. I too
am disappointed with the lack of real thinking and real strategy involved in
affordable housing. We keep doing the same thing over and over and then hand
over our land, our properties, and our CPC monies to developers and then--anyone
from anywhere can move in.

So we are creating affordable housing for many outsiders and we, as a town, have
no control. and we do this over and over again.

It's time for a new paradigm and new leadership.
11:38 pm edt 

Re: Banner Editorial

The Banner editorial reprimanding the three Board of Selectmen who
made the decision to reopen the town manager search and then attempt to
intimidate the board to hire MJ is highly insulting as Provincetown's hometown
newspaper, particularly saying "respectfully" which always raises suspicions in
my mind when such a word has to be introduced into the conversation.

The editorial represents nothing more than a power play of the Old Banner Guard
who are now Florida residents trying to influence Provincetown decision-making
in a very under-handed manner with their current cronies on the Banner.

The Banner has stooped to a new low point of editorial writing in defending MJ.

Never once were MJ's qualifications for the position mentioned or defended nor
the reasons for her rejection in Truro cited in the editorial. By the editor's
silence, she was saying that Provincetown should settle for a part time grants
administrator and housing coordinator as a suitable candidate for the town
manager's position, and then having the audacity to compare MJ to the two former
town managers.

An absolute disgraceful example of how self serving and imperialistic in
thinking the editorial is.

And by a stroke of the pen the editor declares the selectmen should reverse
their decision and anoint MJ as Provincetown's town manager because it is so
apparent to everyone (meaning them--the chosen few) that MJ is very qualified
for the position and we have mysteriously missed her magical qualifications,
leadership ability and day to day experience as an assistant town manager since
1990!

Is this the chicanery which the editor wishes to impose on her readers so
blindly? Does she really think that we are that gullible? Does she really
believe that the Banner is the source of influence and power in this community
when she herself is never seen in the community?

Please don't be dissuaded by this editorial, three selectmen, you have made the
correct decision.

And Banner editor (whomever you are from week to week), don't ever compare a
Harvard Kennedy School of Government graduate who served this town well for 17
years to a town manager, former police officer, who was selected, appointed and
controlled by a small group of your cronies, known by all in the community, who
was then forced out of this town after 6 years due to her defense of her errant
police chief to avoid any egg on her face, as well as a serious lack of
leadership and communication, which subsequently resulted in the unseating of
three selectmen.

Instead,you then had the audacity to issue an editorial which gave this town
manager a wonderful send off to her next job, thanking her profusely for her
financial acumen, when in fact the recognition should have gone to the Director
of Municipal Finance who was chiefly responsible.

Again, a lot of smoke and mirrors on your part.

Adding insult to injury, your cronies sent letters of reference to prospective
employers to help the town manager escape in the nick of time,leaving us with
with costly collateral damage which she created.

Never a mention of the terrible legacy which this town manager left us with.

The Banner has lost any remaining credibility, not that it had much to begin
with, it has always been a soap box for a chosen few from its day of inception.

You don't live here anymore, Old Guard, don't use your former arts editor as a
letter writer and then have the audacity for the editor to reference snippets of
her letter as prima facie evidence to hire MJ in the editorial. She represents
the Old Banner corporate conglomerate and please don't continue to rely upon the
phantom, who is a second vacation homeowner here, to write or edit the editorial
or establish editorial positions for the editorial.

It is so evident.

Why isn't there an editorial board representative of the community advising you,
editor, like a real newspaper?

Let's give the second search process a chance and then you can throw rotten
tomatoes on the chosen one if you aren't satisfied.

You all have left for sunny climates years ago and established residences there,
sold your business, you're  collecting your pensions and generous benefits along
the way, please leave the now important business of Provincetown to the people
who reside in Provincetown year-round.

Provincetown does not need outside influences telling us who will be our next
town manager. Apply your talents and expertise to your new residences of record.

We know how to make sunshine in Provincetown. We don't need your help.
11:36 pm edt 

Re: Candace! The Sequel! Ala Jen Cabral

"Has anyone been reading the Voice page? Jen posing about the police
station should be titled "Candace! The Sequel!" For someone not on the building
committee and only on a failed town manager search committee, she certainly has
a lot to say. No Jen, the town does not want a hugely expensive police station.
I think some money to keep the old one good enough is all we need now. Let's
wait until we hire a new police chief and get his or her assessment about what
we need, not some random hanger-on, ok?"


I'm not sure that some oginal thinking could renovate the police station we now
have, but if others differ and want to say voumes about their opinions, that is
fine with me.  Why do you care what a specific individual has to say.  Thiank
about the ideas and not the deliverer of the idea.  If the same things were said
by anyone else, would you write a single word?  Why does it matter what
committees she was on?  She can have an opinion.  Of course you don't have to
agree with the opinion, and you have every right to do so.  But, bringing names
and personalities into it sounds like Rush Limbaugh stuff.  It seems that the
message doesn't matter to some, simply who said it. If Candy or Jen were to come
up with the most brilliant idea ever, you would dismiss it because of who
thought it up.
11:26 pm edt 

Banner Editorial Out of Line

The case has been decided. It is tiring to find that gender and sexual
preference become the overriding issue in selecting a town manager. sorry,
Sharon Lynn is gone and Michelle J is found second rate. Her gender and sexual
preference should not override her failed qualities as a leader.
11:21 pm edt 

Re: Let's Examine the Facts and Get Real

"As I understand it, the BOS is the Executive part of the town
government and the Finance Committee is part of the legislature. They have the
"power of the purse". That's the check and balance.

The Finance Committee represents the citizens on budget issues when they have
hearings and vote. So the executive can make all the "decisions" and directives
they want, but if the Finance Committee doesn't think it's in the voters
interest, they say so. I don't find anything wrong with that.

I also don't find anything wrong with the notion of the Committee bringing
warrants to town meeting (in fact, they're charged to) or not recommending
things that they
think will affect townspeople aversely in a financial sense. So what the heck
are you complaining about?

Evidently you didn't stay awake in Civics and can't read the State's opinion
posted on the top of this page. Again, what has the Finance Committee done
lately that's controversial or didn't get voted for at Town Meeting? Answer?
NOTHING.

Why I remember the outcry over Article 30 that Mike C had done that passed
overwhelmingly at the ballot (you remember the 3.5M police station that was the
ONLY vote ever actually taken on it). So exactly what has that committee
ever backed that was not the pulse of the voters?"


Ok now the real civic lesson based on law not whim or opinion.

1) The Town Meeting is THE legislative branch of town government.  There are no
other components and never were.  The law is unambiguous.

2) The FinCom is an ADVISORY board that is charged with very specific duties,
according to the Charter and laws.  It conducts research in a variety of ways
only to make recommendations to the town meeting on articles that have a
financial impact on the town.  It manages the Reserve Fund, which is a small
amount of money used to augment budgets for unforeseen occurrences. It works
with the BOS to adjust budgets at year end to meet the town's needs.  That is
it.
There is nothing in law or the charter that gives the FinCom the authority for
anything else other than the above.  It has no subpoena power.  It cannot
overrule the BOS.  They do not in any way have "THE POWER OF THE PURSE".  They
are not part of a check and balance. They cannot make laws.  They cannot make
the budget.  They do not represent the public on anything.  They advise town
meeting.

Of course, the individual members of he FinCom, acting as individual members,
have as much right to criticize the BOS or others when they disagree with
policy.  However, there is nothing in law or the charter that give the FinCom,
as a board, any standing at all.

The By-laws give the right to ALL boards to bring articles to town meeting.  The
FinCom is included in that. Don't confuse ARTICLE with WARRANT.  Only the BOS
can bring the WARRANT to the town meeting.  The Warrant consists of a number of
Articles.

There are two items at the top of the page that deal with the FinCom.  One is an
opinion written at the DOR that discusses FinCom in general and very
specifically states that it is not law and that local law governs the authority
and duties of the FinCom.  The other item is the Handbook of the state
association of FinComs.  It is not law and also is not specific to any town and
states that local law is applicable.

All of the above is not taught in ANY civics class.  What is taught is that laws
apply not opinions to bolster incorrect assumptions.  If you truly want to
understand the very useful role of the FinCom, read the state law.  Read the
Charter.  Read the By-laws.  All three sources will plainly show you the way
that our town government functions. So, if you read and comprehend the above,
you will be able to put aside your incorrect "understanding".
11:18 pm edt 

Re: Combine Assistant Town Manager with Town Planner Position

Someone came up with a good idea that should have been implemented
before. The Asst. T. Mgr.was a Town Planner,so when a new T Mgr. is hired,the
current acting T. Mgr. can go back to his Asst. T. Mgr. place with Town planner
added! take some funds from the salary of the the recently hired Town Planner
(which was never needed), & increase David's salary to cover his position to do
both! That leaves the new Town Planner to be eliminated or to be moved to do
other duties, ie; secretary to another Dept if it's needed! You have the liberty
to change personnel positions that are Non-Union rather than eliminate the
single planners position, or it could be eliminated, Jobs are downsized all the
time! This is a better idea than to eliminate the Asst. T. Mgrs. position,since
he is a qualified Planner also!
11:12 pm edt 

Article 5 Purchase of the Hall Beach Property

1.7 million, and we don't get to continue hearing the Parking Lot Lady
tell tourists all day long who step on her property that they're
trespassing...totally worth it!
8:30 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

The only wet noodle here is the one who noodled their way out of
putting on the Halloween Ball.  Would you work with him to produce an event here
in Provincetown in the future?
8:12 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

Michelle J. is a personable and well-liked town employee.  She shows
up at meetings, she keeps track of things, and ... that's about it.  In ten
years as the Community Housing Specialist, it's virtually impossible to identify
a single idea, plan, concept to expand the supply of affordable housing that has
come from her.  All the affordable housing that we have has been created by
developers such as Community Builders and Ted Malone.  Michelle has been an
informed cheerleader.  That is not leadership and that is not, as the Banner
referred to it, as a 'splendid' job.  That's showing up for work in the morning. 
The Town Manager should have ideas, the Town Manager should have a vision. 
Michelle has demonstrated neither.  Nor has she shown executive ability.  She's
familiar.  I have no idea why there is such a groundswell for someone who has
not succeeded in her current position.
8:09 pm edt 

Police Station / VFW Bldg

I am only speaking on behalf of myself and not for others. It's sad how the
police station debate has gone to the extreme it has. The current police station
has been occupied for at least the last 28-29 years. Does anyone realize the
wear and tear it has gotten due to it being a building that's in use 24/7 (for
all those years) ???

Also, you can do all the repairs you want now to the existing facilty but I
promise you, down the road, you are still going to need a new facility. You will
make x-amount of repairs now, 2 or 5 years later more repairs only to be back
here having the same discussion.

Since property for a new existing building is almost impossible, it's sad the
only properrty for such has been up for such a major debate. Keep the idea of
making the VFW the police station to be and forget the idea someone has about
building affordable housing behind it. Why ? Because if the Police need to
expand, they will have the space to do so. Makes sense to me. Or we can sit here
and say 20 years from now, let's build another one.

Remember, the current facility was an existing buisness before the Police moved
in. It was not new, so it should not be a surprised the building itself has
multiple issues. Some changes were made when the Police moved in to accomdate
the then current dept, etc, and even that was kept to a minium. We are probably
the only dept that has moved into what was once a funeral home.

Roger Green
8:08 pm edt 

There But For the Grace of...............................

"If you want to afford housing go to a town that you can afford to
live in. Work and study real hard. Then move to a town you can now afford with
all of the money you make. This really is not as hard as it looks. 75% of the
property owners here have done just that. It all boils down to two small but
very important words TRY and DO.  Not GIVE ME or PAY for ME. The world does not
owe you anything. YOU have to EARN it."


Nice understanding attitude. I was able to get a good education, make a good
living and retire to this beautiful place.  Why?  Because I was lucky enough to
be born into a family that wanted to, and could afford to, educate me.  I was
blessed with pretty good health and a decent brain.  I didn't work for the
family I got. I didn't work for the brain that I have.  AND NEITHER DID YOU. 
PURE LUCK.  SO don't give or anyone else the crap about it is all hard work and
a superior sense of dedication that is all you need to succeed.  If I was not
blessed with the ability to learn and didn't have the health to be able to work
and I didn't come from a nurturing family, where would I be?
8:05 pm edt 

Emotional Support Animals Are Not Service Animals

The following are crucially important facts regarding people who are
fraudulently getting away with taking their pets where animals are forbidden

1.Contrary to what many business managers think, having an emotional-support
card merely means that one's pet is registered in a database of animals whose
owners have paid anywhere from seventy to two hundred dollars to one of several
organizations, none of which are recognized by the government.

2. Even with an emotional-support card, NO ONE is entitled to bring their pet
into a hotel, store, taxi, train, or park. (Through a site called ESA
Registration of America, one can find a clinical social worker in California
who, for a cost of a hundred and forty dollars, will evaluate you over the phone
regarding your need for an Emotional support animal and write you a letter to
present to people.) ( By the way, I feel that EVERY pet is an emotional support
animal)

3. The Americans with Disabilities Act allows YOU to ask someone with a SERVICE
animal ONLY TWO Questions. These are the questions: 1. Is the animal required
because of a disability? 2. What WORK OR TASK has the animal been trained to
perform? Specific questions about a person's disability are off limits. (From
now on we will be within the law to ban emotional support animals such as the
one the people brought that got lose and took all of us to keep from running
into the street last summer.)

I intend to follow the law in enforcing this rule. I would want to see a motel
or guest house become flea infested do to someone's pet.
8:02 pm edt 

Thursday, October 23, 2014

Zoning Board Agenda for November 6

One of the agenda items has no mention of the waterfront property section. When
I had work done on my property that made sure all sections were noticed out. Was
this an oversight or do not all bylaws apply now.
12:02 am edt 

Candace! The Sequel! Ala Jen Cabral

Has anyone been reading the Voice page? Jen posing about the police station
should be titled "Candace! The Sequel!" For someone not on the building
committee and only on a failed town manager search committee, she certainly has
a lot to say. No Jen, the town does not want a hugely expensive police station.
I think some money to keep the old one good enough is all we need now. Let's
wait until we hire a new police chief and get his or her assessment about what
we need, not some random hanger-on, ok?
10:31 pm edt 

Re: Let's Examine the Facts and Get Real

"We need a BOS that is capable of doing its job.  We need a FinCom that
understands its limited role in town government and allows other boards and
people to work for the betterment of all without interference. There is no need
for Strength in the FinCom."



As I understand it, the BOS is the Executive part of the town government and the
Finance Committee is part of the legislature. They have the "power of the
purse". That's the check and balance.

The Finance Committee represents the citizens on budget issues when they have
hearings and vote. So the executive can make all the "decisions" and directives they
want, but if the Finance Committee doesn't think it's in the voters interest, they say so.
I don't find anything wrong with that.

I also don't find anything wrong with the notion of the Committee bringing warrants
to town meeting (in fact, they're charged to) or not recommending things that they
think will affect townspeople aversely in a financial sense. So what the heck are you
complaining about?

Evidently you didn't stay awake in Civics and can't read the State's opinion posted on
the top of this page. Again, what has the Finance Committee done lately that's
controversial or didn't get voted for at Town Meeting? Answer? NOTHING.

Why I remember the outcry over Article 30 that Mike C had done that
passed overwhelmingly at the ballot (you remember the 3.5M police station that
was the ONLY vote ever actually taken on it). So exactly what has that committee
ever backed that was not the pulse of the voters?
10:29 pm edt 

Stupid Jar

Sorry but if there is a Stupid Jar

there are too many who will fill this--even though they believe they are the
brightest, the smartest, the leaders of the pack.

sorry guys but you better take hundreds of dollars and stick them deep in the
stupid jar. You are not immune. You are--surprising to you--the perpetuators of
stupidity.
10:24 pm edt 

Warrant Article 10 Lighting

The Lighting changes for zoning are simply Bizarre and Worse

Now we will have the police--bring back Jaran--enforcing your 75 watt bulbs and
if it isn't 75 and is 100--you will be fined!!

Are they simply out of touch? Are they taken with their new-found power?

This is plain and simple: crazy and megomeniacal!

It is over the top. this we do not need. Not now and never.
8:46 pm edt 

Ball Cancellation

To one of the posters the play is SIDESHOW not SLIDESHOW, there are many club
owners in town who have already planned parties well in advance and have done so
for decades so move on. The Club owners know what they are doing!
8:34 pm edt 

New Town Manager

I'm Looking forward to a New, Fresh, Town Manager

It's time for change. Time to hire someone who can pull this town together and
give some direction to Provincetown.
8:32 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

If you want to afford housing go to a town that you can afford to live in. Work
and study real hard. Then move to a town you can now afford with all of the
money you make. This really is not as hard as it looks. 75% of the property
owners here have done just that. It all boils down to two small but very
important words TRY and DO.  Not GIVE ME or PAY for ME. The world does not owe
you anything. YOU have to EARN it.
8:30 pm edt 

Combine Assistant Town Manager with Town Planner Position

I Agree: Assistant Town Manager/Town Planner

Eleminate Town Planner Stand Alone Position!

We do not need both positions. the Assistant town manager should be our town
planner given that there is not much long term planning happening anyways. I see
the town planner doing the permit coordinator's job and the permit coordinator
being more a secretary and go for guy! Next we will be hiring a secretary for
both of them!

No, combine these two positions and let the permit coordinator do the work with
the boards and the assistant town manager handling the comprehensive long term
planning.
11:18 am edt 

Affordable Housing

DEAFENING SILENCE-AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS

Wow, remember when the electronic media outlets were jammed with all of the
affordable housing proposals?

People were tripping over themselves advocating for all of the affordable
housing projects that they were proposing to build.

The silence now regarding all of these projects is deafening.
11:12 am edt 

Re: Let's Examine the Facts and Get Real

"We need two new selectmen with a new town manager and a strong Board
of Selectmen and Finance Committee which enjoy the confidence of the community
and can work together."


We need a BOS that is capable of doing its job.  We need a FinCom that
understands its limited role in town government and allows other boards and
people to work for the betterment of all without interference. There is no need
for Strength in the FinCom.  We need people with the ability to understand
budgets and financially article and make recommendations to town meeting with
lucid explanations.   That does not require it to be "strong", only informed and
intelligent and cooperative. According to the Charter and By-laws there is very
little directive for the BOS and FinCom to "work together"  They have clearly
defined roles in Government and the BOS does not need the FinCom to approve or
authorize anything.
11:08 am edt 

Time to Move On!

It's wiser to re advertise the Town Mgrs. position to get fresh new
perspectives! town Gov't has become more complex with the needs that this
community has as a tourist destination,which has taken center stage now,since
there's nothing else as a magnet for survival here! Michelle J. Took the Asst.
Town Mgrs. position 20 yrs. ago& much has happened since. In fact several others
in Town Gov't here were asked to take that position and had no interest,so
Michelle got it by default! We don't need a Town Manager now,at this crucial
time, by default!
11:04 am edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

A New Direction

As a previous post mentioned the housing specialist makes $60,000 a year x 10
=$600,000 and that money could be used for affordable housing well so can the
$60,000 x 10 = $600,000 from the Town Planner position that We taxpayers didn't
really need. Look how much money we could be using towards housing for those
that really need it. Or better yet, why not apply some of the $120,000 a year
from these two positions and add it to the TM salary to make it more inviting
for a really qualified candidate. Then have the Asssistant TM become the
assistant TM/Town Planner and use some of the $120,000 to up his salary.
10:59 am edt 

Beaux Arts Ball

Unlike the other wet noodles (wah wah) crying about the cancellation
of the Beraux Art Ball I'm proud of Shawn! I wish you the best success of
Slideshow and know you'll come back to Provincetown next year and make it the
Best Party ever!

My guess is the fantastic Dr Rick Murray will pick up the Ball and do a party at
the Crown.

So quit your blubbering. We Live in a Great Community with talented people doing
great things from Commercial Street to Broadway. Way to go Shaun!
10:54 am edt 

Tuesday, October 21, 2014

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

What is the big deal, you book the Auditorium, the caterers come with
the food, the people show up in Costume, everyone has a good time...........who
needs to manage that in Provincetown;                                                   
10:47 pm edt 

If You Want to Attack Shawn Nightengale, go to the Other blogs

I think there is too many attacks on Shawn Nightengale. why attack the webmaster
who is posting your vindictive postings. enough already.

It is cancelled. there is no Beaux Arts so and find something else to do that
Saturday!
10:45 pm edt 

Beaux Arts Ball

Wow, gotta say what a kick in the pants that is! Shawn promotes a big event in
the shoulder season, many many people plan to attend and make plans, good
potential for a good shoulder season payday locally for stores and restaurants,
he gets elected to the PBG and then cancels the event, letting everyone involved
down, an event that the guild would be looking forward to? Not a good first step
as a PBG director. The event can't go on with out Shawn? That's the epitome of
poor planning, no backup plan. One person makes the whole party? And whoever
posted the comment earlier was right. No way he couldn't have known the Broadway
show and the ball were on the same night. What a drag.
10:02 pm edt 

Beaux Arts Ball

If anyone believes Shawn Nightengale's explanation I have a bridge to sell him
or her. There are over 12 producers for that play , look it up on line, for him
to cancel 10 days out speaks words about the man. He should resign as a BOD of
the PBG as well. Maybe he and                                               can ride around
in the convertible and give back all the ticket monies!!
10:00 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball Cancellation

I agree with a previous poster.  There is NO WAY! That the Broadway
rivival of SIDESHOW just "happened".  There are 14 people/groups listed as
producers for SIDESHOW.  Mr. Nightingale is part of the group "Joined At The
Hip" which has four other memers.  What this seems to suggest is that these
producers have given money to help put on the show.  I do not believe that Mr.
Nightingale is a "hands on " producer of this revival.

The show opens Tuesday October 28.  Of course Mr. Nightingale should be at the
opening night performance of a show that he has helped financially back.  
However what does that have to do with canceling the Beaux Arts Ball?  Even if
Mr.Nightingale were a hands on producer, he has taken on the roll of producing
both SIDESHOW and The Beaux Arts Ball, and should step up and figure out how to
pull off both events!

Leaving Provincetown without one of its new signature Halloween events "for the
Big City" feels crappy!  Provincetown needs events like The Beaux Arts Ball, as
well as the other Halloween events to help bring people to town during the
quieter shoulder season.

The show must go on Mr. Nightingale, doesn't just apply to those in New York
City!
9:57 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball Cancellation

Now would be a perfect time to help out at the Soup Kitchen, or the AIDS Support
Group, or HOW .

Just saying
9:55 pm edt 

Let's Examine the Facts and Get Real

Two selectmen, for no substantive stated reasons about MJ's qualifications,
wanted to hire her as town manager rather than reopen the search.

MJ was assistant town manager in 1990 (ancient history in terms of relevant job
experience) and a part-time grants administrator and housing coordinator for
years.

Did she have the relevant experience necessary for the job?
Did she develop and administer annual town budgets,develop the warrant for
special and town meetings, set the tax rate, deal with complex legal issues,
handle sewer and road issues, labor relations, regulatory issues, Commonwealth
law and rules and regulations, personnel management and policies--benefits,
salary administration, pensions, etc., public relations, inter-departmental
management, and the LIST GOES ON!

THE ANSWER IS NO, NO!

Compare MJ's experience to the qualifications of the newly hired town manager in
Truro.

There was a reason MJ was not chosen in Truro. She was not qualified and the
selectmen of Truro could have been sued for not choosing the most qualified
applicant.

MJ deserved a courtesy interview by the Board of Selectmen as an internal
candidate but it took political courage and honesty to "just say no" to an
unqualified candidate for the town manager position.

The selection process should never devolve by default to a popularity contest.
It is not an elected position. It is an appointed position by our Board of
Selectmen, notably their most important responsibility under the town's charter.

My feeling is that self-serving personal politics and interests played a role in
the advocacy of MJ by the two selectmen who voted against reopening the search:
control and power of the town manager and Board of Selectmen eventually by one
selectman and job retention of significant other by the second selectman. Their
decisions border on malfeasance and dereliction of their key duty and
responsibility under the charter.

The three selectmen who voted to reopen the search not only did the right thing
but they also demonstrated the leadership at a very critical time which is
required to make tough decisions and ensure that the town will have an
opportunity to recruit the most qualified individual for town manager, the most
fundamental duty and responsibility of an elected selectmen.

I lack confidence in any selectmen who selected our most recent town manager and
presided for many years as chairman of the board with the previous town manager.
She has a credibility issue in taking such a hard line position in advocating an
unqualified individual for the position and I hope that she leaves the board
after she she was elected.

We need two new selectmen with a new town manager and a strong Board of
Selectmen and Finance Committee which enjoy the confidence of the community and
can work together.
9:53 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball Cancellation
 
Uh oh, looks like Shawn Nightingale is one of Clarence's cronies. And
so the censoring begins!

Don't bother writing posts criticizing Nightingale and his last minute
cancellation of the Beaux Arts Ball to work on another project instead, the
webmaster will just cut themyour post to ribbons.
9:48 pm edt 

Re: Side Note of Praise

"All of my posts also get posted. So maybe what you're doing is just
spewing venom or calling people names. That might play on that silly Facebook
page Beacon, but I believe the webmaster doesn't allow it here. Neither does he
just prevent people from joining or kick them out because he's having a bad
medication day like on that page. If you also stick up for someone Oatsey
doesn't like you find yourself blocked or banned. So let him hang out with the
losers and congenitally malcontented while everyone else actually tries to help
the town. Thanks to Clarence here for providing this forum where people can say
things without feeling intimidated!!"



Why is it that you are making another assumption.  "so Maybe" is your highly
logical response.  Not, "That's interesting, I wonder why".  No, never be
reasonable.  Think that worst.  But the ever present fact is, you have no idea
of what you speak.  None whatsoever.  You didn't read the posts.  I don't make
copies of my posts so I can't ask that they get posted.

Stop with the obsessions: Sharon. Candy, the Beacon, Oatsey.  These people own
your brain.  They crawled in and now keep you from thinking about anything else.

By the way,  is it intimidation to call the posters on the Beacon, "losers and
congenitally malcontented", or do you mean something different about
intimidation depending on the person to whom it is directed?  Have you ever
given a thought as to the motives of those that you disparage?  Intrinsically
evil or maybe they simply have a different political model in mind. Are you
curious or have they taken over every last part of your obsessed brain.
9:46 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

I have a question about the Housing Coordinator's position. Keith
Bergman raided the CPA funds to continue MJ in a part time position about 10 or
more years ago when the grant money was drying up to continue to fund her
position.

Selectmen CA essentially said the same thing at the October 14 meeting.

Do we really need a part-time Housing Coordinator position now, particularly
when we have a new Building Commissioner, new Town Planner and new Permit
Coordinator?

$60,000/year (with benefits) x 10 years = $600,000 which is a lot of money for
an artificially created position which could have better spent on building
affordable housing units. Do we need to spend another $600,000 for a total of
$1,200,000? When will it end? A good investment? Was this the purpose of the
CPA?

The Town can contract grants writing like other small organizations do.

I hope FinCom takes a good look at this issue during the upcoming budget
preparation cycle.




9:43 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball Cancellation

Let's get real! You don't put together a Broadway production("Not Off
Broadway") in 2 weeks. This venture has been many months in the making and needs
lots of money to produce with risk for great loss or profits. Go to the website
for the show and you will notice some local people who are investors with Shawn.
I don't understand why Bryan
Rafanelli couldn't have produced with it or Michelle Haynes who works with Shawn
Nightngale with Cape Air. It's very disconcerting that such a wonderful event
has been cancelled at whim's notice for a single producer's  benefit. Can it
happen again next year if Shawn is producing another Broadway show? Not right.
9:40 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball Cancellation

How are ticket refunds for the Halloweeen Ball being processed?
2:01 pm edt 

Re: Side Note of Praise

"My Posts Get Posted"

All of my posts also get posted. So maybe what you're doing is just spewing
venom or calling people names. That might play on that silly Facebook page
Beacon, but I believe the webmaster doesn't allow it here. Neither does he just
prevent people from joining or kick them out because he's having a bad
medication day like on that page. If you also stick up for someone Oatsey
doesn't like you find yourself blocked or banned. So let him hang out with the
losers and congenitally malcontented while everyone else actually tries to help
the town. Thanks to Clarence here for providing this forum where people can say
things without feeling intimidated!!

2:00 pm edt 

Re: Boring!

"Ah, boy, some of these Other Blogs are Becoming Sooooo Boring

Dull. Everyday. Facts that we all know. I look and am bored. Nothing new.
Nothing special. So why do they exists?

Yawn and yawn. sorry, but they are tiring"

Sometimes boring can be good. Slow news days are good. Do we really like
constant fights and turmoil?

What blogs do you find so boring? Let's see how many agree.

I do have a suggestion: don't look at them except at bedtime.  Then they'll put
you right off to sleep.
1:57 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball Cancellation

Is nobody else a bit shocked at the selfishness and neglectful
attitude of Shawn Nightingale regarding the cancellation of the Beaux Arts Ball?
It's ten days before the event and he makes an announcement via Facebook that
the ball is cancelled because he has decided to go produce a Broadway show
instead? People have made hotel and guesthouse reservations, rearranged their
work schedules. Some have spent considerable time putting together costumes.
Many in town were looking forward to this annual event.And his Facebook press
release refers to this Broadway show as the realization of a lifelong dream, and
shouldn't we all be happy for him? He's really disappointed a lot of people. Not
to mention the charity HOW that was to benefit from the event.

Something about this doesn't add up. Are we to believe he just found out about
this Broadway thing? And even if that were the case, shouldn't all preparations
for the Ball be in place at this point? Couldn't the others involved take over
and continue without him?                                                     .

Not at all surprised to see this guy in the photo of the new PBG members. That
group's                                                                                                .

                                                                     . This is a really lame stunt to
pull so close to the event.
1:55 pm edt 

Thanksgiving Dinner

HELP! IAM TRYING TO LOCATE A REST FOR THANKSGIVING DINNER 10 PEOPLE ANY
SUGGESTIONS ??????
1:50 pm edt 

Re: Boring!

ELECTRONIC MEDIA IS SO BORING

Provincetown voice--it is a closed facebook page. What needs to be kept a
secret? The rant about the VFW land, about second homeowners--wow--so top
secret.

Yes, Boring. Why would the town-manger-to-be-but wasn't want to join any of the
electronic media sites that just keep beating a dead horse.

Michele J. isn't even a contender and yet she is constantly mentioned even here.

OH well, one minute to scan the headlines and see the same old same old...except
to see that the Beaux Arts Ball is cancelled--and for good reason due to a
Broadway production--no one can fault him for that.

I guess it is a good thing that there is no drama in town but just sleepily
drifting into the calm of Autumn and anticipation of the holidays to come.
1:47 pm edt 

Tuesday, October 21, 2014

Boring!

Ah, boy, some of these Other Blogs are Becoming Sooooo Boring

Dull. Everyday. Facts that we all know. I look and am bored. Nothing new.
Nothing special. So why do they exists?

Yawn and yawn. sorry, but they are tiring
12:48 am edt 

Oh Yee of Little faith!

of Course we have the right to expect the best in a town manager. We will get
the best and I have no doubts about that.

In time, and with a good search firm, we will have candidates that we will be
proud to have as town manager.

I look forward to the next six months, and then to our new town manager.
12:47 am edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

"Glad we will have a new town manager and glad it will be someone new.
I'm for leadership and whoever is a candidate with vision."

Dream on.  This is  Provincetown, not exactly a dream job for managers with
leadership and vision.  Look at the Massachusetts Municipal association site and
look at all the open jobs for managers /administrators, then tell us why you
think we will get someone who is a great leader with vision.  Dream on.  This is
not the big leagues for managers and we pay like the minors.
12:43 am edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

Well, then we should Hire Some DPW Workers for Town Manager

And some of the people who work at town hall and have for thirty years.
Accumulated years doe not equal accumulated knowledge of how to run a town. 
they are not the same.

Glad we will have a new town manager and glad it will be someone new. I'm for
leadership and whoever is a candidate with vision.
5:38 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

To the naysayers about Michelle....

You can not put a high enough value on the amount of institutional knowledge one
gains after 30 years of experience in this town. Outsiders don't have enough
knowledge about our community to do a good job no matter how great they might
appear on paper.
4:43 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager Candidate
 
"We Are in a great Position to Hire a First-Rate town Manager

As there are many people who love this place and who move here, this is a great
opportunity for someone to move here and run this town. I think there will be
many candidates if the search firm is professional and comprehensive. We will
hire a first-rate town manager and I do believe we will have many, many
candidates.
  for all of us here, for all the attraction we have to this town, it will be
the same force that draws a first-rate candidate to become our new town
manager."


Sorry to deliver the bad news but PT will never get a :first-rate" manager
because (I know that this might be a shock) we are not a first rate town for
managers,  We may love it but our criteria for living here are much different
than for a manager moving here.  Check some of the previous posts about this
subject.  Unless you can muster another part to the debate, I'll have to agree
with the others that say that we won't get a genuine "first-Rate" manager.  A
good one? An adequate one ?  Yes to both, but not first rate.  Not like Norwood
or Longmeadow or Peabody or so many other towns.
4:40 pm edt 

4:29 pm edt 

Envious of Days Cottage Coverage

Gee, I wish that when I sell my three condos that I get the coverage that Day's
cottages received in the Cape Cod Times.

However, I hope that an investor group buys all three and that it all takes
place licity-split once the building is on the market.

We have had to maintain 5 properties--now it is four-but we want to just
concentrate on one.

I realize now that I could have charged another $250.00 a month after seeing
what a similar apartment's monthly rent but, it wouldn't make a big change in my
life: Taxes going up, insurance concerns, town putting restrictions on people's
properties. Time to sell and  move into our house on the mainland.

I'm ready to say good by to the town and to let others get a chance to own
property here. Tenants will be displaced, but life goes on.

It is time for some economic security and to get the equity out of our property
and to create a big nest egg to invest.

We have this beautiful town and the property of the National seashore
surrounding us and the sea and sky, but the whole world is our property and I
want to leave my footprints in other parts of our great big wonderful world.
12:45 pm edt 

Re: Side Note of Praise

My Posts Get Posted

Odd that yours do not get posted. Maybe you are writing really mean things a
bout some people.

For me, I post here whenever I do and then soon see these posts on mypacc.

My experience is definitely different from yours. But I can only address what my
experience has been here.
12:08 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager Candidate

We Are in a great Position to Hire a First-Rate town Manager

As there are many people who love this place and who move here, this is a great
opportunity for someone to move here and run this town. I think there will be
many candidates if the search firm is professional and comprehensive. We will
hire a first-rate town manager and I do believe we will have many, many
candidates.
  for all of us here, for all the attraction we have to this town, it will be
the same force that draws a first-rate candidate to become our new town manager.
12:06 pm edt 

Re: Side Note of Praise

All of My Posts get Posted

so I don't know what you are saying. I write and it is posted. but maybe you are
constantly attacking someone--I don't know but I do know that I have no
complaints on my posts.
10:53 am edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

"Why? Because We do Not Need a Second Choice

And perhaps she was really the third choice but to save face for her, giving her
the second choice was politically nice.

We need a first rate choice for town manager and nothing less will do.

Remember that Truro did not select Michelle J.

On to a better alternative for Provincetown. We deserve nothing less."


This, like so many other posts here, serves as reminder that logic is not
frequently found on sites like this.

What evidence do you have that justifies your totally ignorant statement about
her being a third choice?  None, that is what you have.

If you can, please define what is a "first rate" choice for town manager.  I
will be shocked if you even try and more shocked if you can even get close to
defining a "first rate" candidate and then try to explain why a real "first
rate" manager would want to be here.  What about our job would draw a first rate
candidate?  The pay?  The availability of affordable housing?   The nearness of
wonderful cultural and educational year-round opportunities?  The job
availability for family members?  The warm, welcoming political climate where
everyone is civil in their understanding of working together to improve life for
all?  Go ahead answer.
10:45 am edt 

Re: Zoning Board

"I had considered applying to the zoning board of appeals so a friend
of mine suggested I watch a few of their meetings. I watched a few of their
meetings and have since changed my mind. They seem to lack organization."



Too bad that you didn't feel that you have the organization and leadership
skills that would improve things.  It sure is better to sit on the sidelines and
snipe at those that are making the effort.
10:42 am edt 

Re: Side Note of Praise

"You Just Can't Have It both Ways

You complain that some posts are awful and then you attack the webmaster for not
posting your posts. Well, if they are terrible and hurtful, it makes sense they
are not posted.

There is editing for abuse, attacks, vileness, and ugly remarks. that is what I
sense. So write a decent and intelligent post and I bet-- a la Mitt Romney--
$10,000, that it will be posted."


You know about ASSUME don't you?


I have never complained about posts being awful and I have never "attacked" the
webmaster for anything.  I have commented that the webmaster is selective on
what he allows.  Unless you are the webmaster or have tried to post comments
that he declined to include, you have no idea of which you write.

The webmaster can do as he pleases, it it his blog, but to assume that he is
evenhanded in all posts is just that- an assumption.
10:40 am edt 

Posts

If it is a negative post about Candace Nagel or Michelle J.  It seems to get
posted. If it is a negative  post about Clarence or Duane or Mary JOa, it never
seems to get posted.
10:38 am edt 

Michael Shay's Restaurant

Are there any reports from our town planner and the planning board on
what the future of our town will be? I recently heard that Michael Shay's has
been sold and a condominium complex will be built on this property.  Is this
factual?
10:35 am edt 

Sunday, October 19, 2014

Re: Side Note of Praise

You Just Can't Have It both Ways

You complain that some posts are awful and then you attack the webmaster for not
posting your posts. Well, if they are terrible and hurtful, it makes sense they
are not posted.

There is editing for abuse, attacks, vileness, and ugly remarks. that is what I
sense. So write a decent and intelligent post and I bet-- a la Mitt Romney--
$10,000, that it will be posted.
11:54 pm edt 

Re: Side Note of Praise

"Thank you Clarence and whomever else that allows the posts, positive
or negative, regarding the selection process to be posted. It's not a discussion
if only one side is heard."


Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?  I, and others with whom I have
communicated, have posted many timess and Clarence has blocked them.  I have no
idea what his criteria are for inclusion,but it is not everything for sure.  He
correctly edits some stuff but refused to include entire posts quite frequently.
8:35 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

"If she were the Town Manager, all of the assets and all of her time and energy
would not benefit he entire town It would be a laser like focus geared to one
issue--Affordable housing.

Having her Hired as the town manager would give me the shivers seeing her go
from a little cubby-hole writing grants to managing all of these departments and
personnel and ALL of the issues facing the town.

Everything else would suffer"


Thanks for the well reasoned informative argument. You clearly spent at least 2
seconds figuring this out.  This was very helpful in understanding life in PT.
8:32 pm edt 

Zoning Board

I had considered applying to the zoning board of appeals so a friend of mine
suggested I watch a few of their meetings. I watched a few of their meetings and 
have since changed my mind. They seem to lack organization.
8:30 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

If she were the Town Manager, all of the assets and all of her time and energy
would not benefit he entire town It would be a laser like focus geared to one
issue--Affordable housing.

Having her Hired as the town manager would give me the shivers seeing her go
from a little cubby-hole writing grants to managing all of these departments and
personnel and ALL of the issues facing the town.

Everything else would suffer.
12:40 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

Well, I for one, am More than glad that She won't be applying

she lost in both searches. she is not the best candidate and that is life. she
is a nice person but that is not enough. and writing grants is so different from
leading a town, mastering the complexities of running departments and
implementing well the ideas and strategies of the BOS.

It is not her and reality sets in. that is a good thing. We shouldn't have to
cull her again from the pool of candidates.
11:14 am edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

Why? Because We do Not Need a Second Choice

And perhaps she was really the third choice but to save face for her, giving her
the second choice was politically nice.

We need a first rate choice for town manager and nothing less will do.

Remember that Truro did not select Michelle J.

On to a better alternative for Provincetown. We deserve nothing less.
10:42 am edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

"When will we learn that outsiders DO NOT know better than our own
people right here at home? Keith Bergman, Sharon Lynn, Jeff Jaran... all from
away and look at the poor job they did for us.
Bobby Anthony.... you of all people should know the benefit of hiring from
within!"


The ability of the town manager has nothing to do with where they were from.  It
is a rare thing for towns to have managers that are locals.  Stop with the
insular " outsiders"stuff".  It is managing skill that matters.  There are many
towns that have managers for many years but they are rare.  The shelf life of
managers is only three or four years because of local politics and disputes
between the manager and BOS members.   Some BOS members want to manage the town
and get angry when the manager tells them that the job of the BOS is to set
policy and the manager executes that policy.  It has nothing to do with being
local or from far away.
10:06 am edt 

Side Note of Praise

Thank you Clarence and whomever else that allows the posts, positive or
negative, regarding the selection process to be posted. It's not a discussion if
only one side is heard.
10:04 am edt 

Saturday, October 18, 2014

BOS - What a Bunch of Nothing


If MJ was your second choice, why are you opening up the search?

     out of your mouths .
9:34 pm edt 

What is Going on Here?

Who is paying attention to anything? Murals are
missing from the Library that "they" say weren't of important value! what
happened to theft? Irving's Head missing from artifacts in the old museum,(now
the library), that were supposed to be guarded! someone stated the Harbormasters
Dept. not collecting Mooring Fees,so now they want the Town to have a privately
owned Mooring Field! Water Dept. surveyors moving Town boundaries,Affordable
Condos that aren't affordable and are being sold,V.F.W.Bldg.,perfect for Police
Station, now they want housing that No one can afford,Giving our Town owned
public buildings practically gratis to developers,once beautiful homes condoed
to death through the roofs,sides & yards! Provincetown used to be a quaint
fishing village with affordable houses! Everyone wants to micromanage Town
Gov't! You don't want to be under Police Rules or any rules for that matter! We
don't need a Town Manager! We need a Director to run the asylum for the criminally
insane which is us! Who the hell in their right mind would apply here unless he/she
fits the insane description!?
9:32 pm edt 

Re: Gracie Mansion

"Interesting and solid idea. Over time the property would become a very
important recruiting tool...."



Sue Harrison "I said, jokingly, a while back that the town should buy a
house/condo for the manager, sort of a cape cod Gracie Mansion. It's a one time
expenditure (plus maintenance of course) and eliminates that nasty problem of
the expense of relocating here. I'm beginning to think it's not a bad idea if
the town insists on holding to the residency clause."
9:30 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

"I'll second this question. Who EXACTLY is "we" here? Oh wait, maybe I
know. The same people who are still saying that Sharon was a great hire (as I
sat stunned listing to Cheryl say "we brought a great list of candidates the
last time")?

Hey Cheryl, you brought the biggest disaster of the past 20 years to town. Stop
reminding people you were involved if you don't want to lose your credibility to
speak about it."


Stupid? Deliberately deceptive?  Mean spirited?  Morally corrupt?  Which of the
above describes yet another brazen attempt to twist and lie about political
differences?  This is not to defend anyone of what they did years ago or to
condemn them either, but to show total disgust at posters here who will say
anything they think of to smear people they don't like.  I'm very pleased that
the truth has exposed this horrible person for the liar that he/she is.
9:20 pm edt 

BOS's Amazing Thought Process

Why do our elected officials believe it in the best interest of the
town to purchase one half of someones parking lot under the guise of "OPEN
SPACES" for a million dollars??  Last year the town purchased the VFW building
for affordable housing and now our elected officials want to tear it down! 
Amazing thought process.
9:17 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

And sadly the pool seems like it's smaller already. From reports, it seems MJ
won't be applying. Not because she's underqualified, not because she was let
down for not getting it the first time around but most likely because the town
doesn't deserve a highly trained and well liked individual like she is. She's
been attacked in here on personal grounds, (commenting about her second job??),
had the job in Truro thrown at her for not having got that position either
(different town, different needs) and probably realizes the current system is
being criticized and run by a group of never to be satisfied ingrates.
Provincetown will get the government it deserves, just watch.
As far as the vote from the selectmen to restart the process, I'm shocked at
Anthony's vote, coming from within the ranks of town government (yes, that's why
your in the current position you're in and that was why you were hired as chief
years ago). New search process and new search consultant? I truly hope they
appoint a new local search committee also. The people appointed to the last one
were a true example of foolishness.
9:15 pm edt 

Re: VFW Building
 
The town can not just tear this building down without first going before the
historic commission if the building is over 50 years old. I had to go before
them for my property even though I was not in the district because of the age of
my property. There are those of us that will be following this.
9:12 pm edt 

Nice Going BOS!

So now the only local candidate, Michelle J, has been slapped in the face and
will not reapply for the TM position.

What will happen now when the new pool of candidates still fails to produce a
viable candidate?

When will we learn that outsiders DO NOT know better than our own people right
here at home? Keith Bergman, Sharon Lynn, Jeff Jaran... all from away and look
at the poor job they did for us.

Bobby Anthony.... you of all people should know the benefit of hiring from
within!
9:09 pm edt 

Broken Pay Stations

To whom it may concern, why is the Fire station pay station still
broken its been broken for over a month, doesn't the town need monies, why are
we paying a parking adminstrater the pay he gets when he knows dam well this pay
station is broken, come on thats not the only pay staion thats been broken, when
the town had meters, maybe one or 2 a day may be broken, these pay stations are
worth     ,at nightime you cannt even see the machine becasue the light they put
in do not work, what a waste of town money, wake up town we are losing lots and
lots of money from parking I hope he gets his      together or maybe we should
hire some one else too do his job.
9:08 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

"I see this  post this morning (whoever you are...)
you wrote:"

If you have to explain on MYPACC the subtlety of your comment, then you really
failed at the meeting, didn't you? I went and listened to the tape and I also
clearly walked away with the impression that you were saying you got three good
candidates the last time, and clearly suggesting we got a good hire. Sorry. But
the next time, you should make it clearer if you thought the candidates weren't
all that great.

And I'm not understanding your point here. Are you saying these candidates
weren't great either and let's settle? Are you damning Michelle with faint
praise? Is that also subtle? Are you just suggesting that we hire someone who's
already here in lieu of going out and aggressively searching for the BEST
person? That we should just settle? Because if that's what you're suggesting, I
sort of wonder why you're a selectman. You should be advocating for the absolute
best for Provincetown. And unless you can stand up and say "This is the absolute
BEST candidate we can find" then I don't understand why you voted the way you
did.
9:05 pm edt 

Beaux Arts Ball

I was wondering about the Beaux Arts Ball this year. I had heard it
was going to happen, but there seems to have been little or no advertising about
the event until this week. I'd heard a few different rumors about possible
entertainers, but nothing was confirmed. Now I hear the entertainment is going
to be a DJ, and not even a big name, just a local one!

No thanks, I can think of plenty of better ways to spend a hundred bucks. Boy,
it sure was nice that year they had Debbie Harry.
9:02 pm edt 

Friday, October 17, 2014

Re: Seriously? I Say Enough Already!

With all due respect to Mr. Mendes as part of the VFW he couldn't 

make the building work and now he wants to advise the town.And

much of what he still thinks is in the building is no longer there, it's

been surpluses out.


5:38 pm edt 

Steve Roderick Here

Just wanted to set the record state to the person
who believes I was involved with the hiring search committee in Truro. Do your
homework before you make inaccurate comment. I never served on the Search
Committee, Hiring Committee (that is the BOS in Truro).

I grew up in Provincetown, have a business in Provincetown and own property in
Provincetown. I have every right to give my opinion. You don't have to like it
but I have the right to give it.


5:20 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

I see this  post this morning (whoever you are...)

you wrote:The

same people who are still saying that Sharon was a great hire (as I sat stunned

listening to Cheryl say "we brought a great list of candidates the last time")?

so i  went back and transcribed  the video because i didn't say that.

From the transcript: " i sat through the search process in 2007 and  remember

the QUALITY of the 3 candidates that came before us, THAT time . That was a long

time ago and the pool of applicants is getting smaller not larger".

Now, its clear you don't know me and understand the subtlety of what i meant.

So, i'll expand here. I said :I remember the total quality of the three

candidates that came before us, THAT time." Note, i did not say anything about

whether I thought it  was a low quality pool , medium quality or high. But

anyone that was there, would probably not describe the totality of the THREE

applicants as three high quality applicants.Indeed, the record will show that

the five of us did not coalesce around a first choice immediately . Two liked

Sharon. Two liked another guy. And i liked the third. Further, my understanding

is that recruitment for this position now, 7 almost 8 years later, will by

necessity come from a SMALLER pool of candidates simply because the number of

people out there in America with this type of job experience is getting smaller

every year. Indeed, Mr Reinhard had no municipal experience.

Knowing this, i don't expect the quality of the THREE applicants we would get

again, to be HIGHER than the quality of the three we got in the spring of 2007,

no matter how wonderful the new recruitment process is.

That is a reality we should be aware of.


I hope this is clearer.

Cheryl Andrews 


4:58 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

"Of course she was recruited. Based on her being overlooked years ago,
we wanted for her to know she's wanted and we support her..."

"Who exactly are the "we" in the above posting?"



I'll second this question. Who EXACTLY is "we" here? Oh wait, maybe I know. The
same people who are still saying that Sharon was a great hire (as I sat stunned
listing to Cheryl say "we brought a great list of candidates the last time")?
Hey Cheryl, you brought the biggest disaster of the past 20 years to town. Stop
reminding people you were involved if you don't want to lose your credibility to
speak about it.
10:40 am edt 

Re: Seriously? I Say Enough Already!

Regarding the Town Meeting article to tear down the former V.F.W. 
building, I believe the the citizens of Provincetown should have a opportunity
to tour the building before this matter is put to a vote at Town Meeting.
 
I  feel this building is still a resource that the Town of Provincetown can
utilize until such time a decision is made as to what to do with this property.

I suggest a study group, made up of\citizens  and town officials, be established
to report back to the next Town Meeting on whether or not delaying demolition of
this building is in the best interests of the Town of Provincetown.

This building has a up to code sprinkler system, air conditoning, a heating
system, a working large generator, four bathrooms, a modern kitchen, and large
working septic system. In addition, there is a huge meeting room, plenty of
parking, and it is handicapped-accessible.

There is no need to rush to tear down this building without fully
investigating its possible uses.

Sincerely Paul C Mendes
10:36 am edt 

Thursday, October 16, 2014

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz - Ala Steve Roderick

"Roderick speaks out again

More out of towners making trouble

Steve Roderick is all over facebook, blowing up over MJ not getting hired in
Provincetown.  He was on the Town  dministrator Search Committee in  Truro who
also passed on MJ.

Roderick doesn't want MJ in Truro!! So why in Provincetown??"



I'll take shot at these questions.

1) Is stating an opinion really making trouble?  How about your opinion that he
is making trouble?  Is that making trouble?

2)You have no idea at all how they thought in Truro so why do you act like you
know what they were thinking? MJ has worked in PT for years and knows the town
and how it works.  She has never worked in Truro.

3) It is less than accurate to say that they did not want hre in Truro.  Because
they thought that another person was a better fit does not mean that that they
did not want her.  Take a basic course in logic and see the stupidity of your
statement.
9:54 pm edt 

Re: Seriously? I Say Enough Already!

And Another Thing 

The BOS sold Town Meeting a bill of goods when
asking us to buy the VFW. They guaranteed us it could be used for housing and a
municipal building. Now it's clear both are in jeopardy since they do not have
right of way to make that happen in any reasonable way.  So what's their next
move while they try to sort that cluster f***ck out?

Tear down ANOTHER perfectly good building for $70,000!  Why? So even if/when
their stupid lies prove to be a disaster, we won't be able to sell the
lot/building for anything like the amount we paid because we TORE THE BUILDING
DOWN.

These people are beyond the pale.

When you screw up, just admit it. It's not the crime, it's the cover up.

ENOUGH.
9:35 pm edt 

Seriously? I Say Enough Already!

So it appears certain elected and appointed officials AND of course
Town Staff who have never been able to win the approval for the Taj Mahal police
station are now so desperate that they are attempting to coerce other Town Staff
into condemning the current station.

Seriously?  I say enough already.  If you want a station, put it on the warrant and
put it on the ballot.  And then finally graciously lose.

In the mean time, if you delude yourself into thinking we'll be surplusing Shank
Painter, then at least approve the repairs so the Town has a usable and safe
building for Use OR for SALE.

There is no reason not to keep that building in good repair other than your
misguided belief that you must make it uninhabitable so we'll build you your
Disneyland station.
9:31 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager Search - David Gardner

To the poster of the post re: David Gardner:

Have you learned nothing from the recent  Market Basket fiasco? You should
reward those who work hard for the company good...certainly not give ultimatums. 
Shame on you. Actually, leaving may be a reward. Who would want to do this... oh
so thankless job... perched under the thick microscope of very highly
knowledgeable anonymous bloggers?
8:00 pm edt 

Re: Rabbits on Ted Malone's Land
 
"If People Are asking about Rabbits on Ted Malone's Land"


Don't you have anything positive to do with your time.  This constant bashing of
perceived enemies is what potential town manager candidates see when they do
their homework.  All the hate and poison and political foolishness.  Do your
hating in private and stop making this town look bad.
7:57 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz - Ala Steve Roderick

Roderick speaks out again

More out of towners making trouble

Steve Roderick is all over facebook, blowing up over MJ not getting hired in
Provincetown.  He was on the Town Administrator Search Committee in  Truro who
also passed on MJ.

Roderick doesn't want MJ in Truro!! So why in Provincetown??
7:48 pm edt 

The Passing of Conrad Malicoat

Dear Members of the Board (advisory and committees),

It is with great sadness and regret that I write to inform you of the death last
night of Conrad Malicoat.  As you all know, Conrad was an accomplished sculptor
and a steadfast supporter of the Fine Arts Work Center who, in countless ways,
welcomed generations of new Fellows to Provincetown.  A Visual Arts Fellow in
1968-69 and 1969-70, he was also the son of one of Work Center’s founders,
Philip Malicoat.  Conrad is survived by his wife Anne Lord and his three
daughters Robena, Bronwyn, and Galen.  We will pass along arrangements as they
become available, and we extend our sincere sympathies to the Malicoats and
their extended families for this great loss.

Warmly,
Michael
6:46 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager Search

"Bravo! thank goodness they Made the Right decision

Let's get a real search team and then real candidates. Not third tier candidates
that wouldn't make it elsewhere.

Good decision and we have the time. David Gardner can continue to do what he
does and we will wait for the real town manager to appear as a viable candidate.

The last person we needed would have been Michelle the grant writer. Keep her
there but no further. Good at that but not a candidate for town manager. Lacking
vision, leadership and pizzazz. Look to the future and for you, Michelle, good
luck."


This post shows a total lack of knowledge of the process and the function of the
town manager.

1) The ad for the opening is posted nationally for any and all in municipal
governments to see. It is read by thousands.
The recruiter may actively contact some potential candidates, but most
candidates come in from the ads.  A "real search team" will not produce a
different pool of candidates.

2) While you may think that the town manager is supposed to use "vision" for our
future, that is not what the job is.  The job is strictly administrative and the
manager does not set policy but is charged with following the policy set by the
BOS.  The BOS is the "executive".  The manager is not like the president or
governor.  A good manager is a good administrator of policies set by the
executive.  Town Managers with "pizzazz" don't last very long because they will
always have a conflict with one or more selectmen.  That is why the shelf life
of town managers is less than 4 years on average.

So, if you want to contribute to the discussion, get informed.  For the reasons
stated above, MJ might very well have done a very good job.

It has been stated several times already that PTown is not a very attractive
town for well qualified managers.  Low pay.  High real estate prices (residency
requirement)very small town. isolated.  Bleak in winter.  politically horrible. 
The above post is a great example of the kind of stuff that a manager must
endure.  Shrill ignorance of laws and process.
2:56 pm edt 

Rabbits on Ted Malone's Land

If People Are asking about Rabbits on Ted Malone's Land

Remember he rented before when they had horses. and what did Ted Malone allow?
the burying of dead horses right under neighbors windows. One horse after
another died, and these dead horses were all buried illegally on his property.
He also seemed vindictive to neighbors who had opposed his mega complex under
the guise of affordable housing. And don't forget: he's back. and he's
developing again and when the dirt is turned, the smell will be of the past
carcasses.
2:20 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager Search - David Gardner

"David Gardner should be told to either take the position of town
manager now or be out of a job when the new town manager is hired."



Will never support such notion.
1:25 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager Search

I don't personally know Michelle Jarusiewicz, but from what I've read
about her she seems like a wonderful person, citizen, and a valued part of the
town administration.  Although I clearly see why so many people would feel she
deserves the job and is the obvious candidate, I also know from over two decades
in the corporate world that the most obvious candidate is NOT always the best
choice.  For top positions, the smart thing to do more often than not is to find
someone with a fresh perspective, with new ideas, different experiences, and who
holds no prior allegiances or grudges.  Of course in making the tough decision
to go outside in your search you are going to ruffle feathers, and that is
exactly what is happening.  However, continuing the search truly is in the best
interests of the town.
1:22 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

"Of course she was recruited. Based on her being overlooked years ago,
we wanted for her to know she's wanted and we support her..."



Who exactly are the "we" in the above posting?
9:16 am edt 

Town Manager Search - David Gardner

Hopefully the BOS has learned during this period that the town has
functioned very well without a town manager that when a new town manager is
hired an assistant town manager is not necessary. David Gardner should be told
to either take the position of town manager now or be out of a job when the new
town manager is hired.
9:03 am edt 

Town Manager Search

Bravo! thank goodness they Made the Right decision


Let's get a real search team and then real candidates. Not third tier candidates
that wouldn't make it elsewhere.

Good decision and we have the time. David Gardner can continue to do what he
does and we will wait for the real town manager to appear as a viable candidate.

The last person we needed would have been Michelle the grant writer. Keep her
there but no further. Good at that but not a candidate for town manager. Lacking
vision, leadership and pizzazz. Look to the future and for you, Michelle, good
luck.
8:59 am edt 

Wednesday, October 15, 2014

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

"Guess it is not meant to be.. didn't get the job. little do they know that I was recruited to apply."

Who recruited MJ?
6:36 pm edt 

Sad to Leave

I am glad that I moved out of town. I have never seen so much
discontent as I have seen here. No one will ever be successful here. The opinion
kills people. It's sad. I love Prvincetown and am sad to leave but this BS has
to stop.
6:33 pm edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz

Of course she was recruited. Based on her being overlooked years ago, we wanted
for her to know she's wanted and we support her, knowing she knows the needs of
the town from the top to the bottom. Imagine how much better the town would
probably be if she were picked as opposed to Lynn? It's time to realize a good
thing when it's staring you right in the face.
4:36 pm edt 

Re: Petition Signer

Why would you even consider signing without  reading it first. If you did this
you would not need to be whining about it here.  People can say anything they
want about it's purpose. It is up you to read it to find the facts. If more
people read things before jumping to conclusions without facts, this would be a
better world and community.
2:07 pm edt 

Michelle Jarusiewicz - Posted on the Provincetown Wellfleet Truro Beacon
 
"Guess it is not meant to be.. didn't get the job. little do they know that I was recruited to apply."
2:05 pm edt 

Suggestions for the BOS

Before the voters at town meeting are asked to approve the purchase of
the Hall parking lot the BOS should be very clear about what it will be used for
in the future. Also, why ask us to approve funds to demolish the VFW now before
a use for the site is clear. What is going on with the old rec. center and Grace
C. buildings. Stop spending money, fix the streets and pay down the debt.
11:45 am edt 

Tuesday, October 14, 2014

Warning! Petition Signatures
 

I'm reposting this from Facebook - This post is a WARNING! Both me and someone I
know in town were approached by someone to sign the Charter Petition only we
were told that it was a recall petition for Mary-Jo. I asked twice what the
petition was for and was told it was a recall BOTH times. One has to wonder what
is going on if the people trying to get a petition signed are lying about what
the petition is for. Surely they are up to no good. Remember, this petition is
being forwarded by people who have an agenda. Make sure you ask them what their
agenda IS before you sign. If there is any doubt about what these people want,
there is a document on line (and it can be posted again) showing the changes
they wish to make that include: voting rights for second homeowners at town
meeting, second homeowners on committees, moving town meeting so more second
homeowners can attend, making the Finance Committee an elected body instead of
appointment by the Town Moderator (I guess this !
is where the Mary-Jo lie comes in), and other very serious changes. It's up to
you how you feel, but now my position is that if someone has to lie to get
something done, there's nefarious intent. So this is scary sh-t folks.  Bware

Be warned.
11:19 pm edt 

Release the 100 Emails

OK - release the frigin emails already. What are you hiding. Enough.
You are making the town look like it defintiely has much to hide. Only getting
worse. Public opinion is NOT on your side. Only going to get worse. Do you not
ever learn?
11:17 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

"I WISH YOU WOULD SPEND MORE TIME THINKING OF RESIGNING SO
PROVINCETOWN COULD MOVE ON!!"



Speaking of thinking and moving on, Maybe if all those that spend so much
negative energy bashing people here would spend more time thinking of positive
things so that they would help all of us move on away from the bashing and start
to build rather than raze.
11:14 pm edt 

10:14 pm edt 

Re: Salary? Celery!!

"He is making over $200,000 and was never going to take this position.
It was not salary--more celery and his new position in Washington.
Facts are facts.
Get a new firm and look for new, viable candidates."



So, if facts are facts, then your first sentence, is meaningless, since you have
no idea if it it fact.

Secondly, you don't seem to know the hiring process.  The recruiting consultant
merely lists the opening with the Association of City/town managers. The
consultant then sorts through the applications to select those that meet the
initial criteria.  Any and all searches are done this way.  Almost every person
interested in this kind of job reads these sites.  There is nothing magic to
finding lots of candidates if you have an attractive job.  PT does not have an
attractive job.  It has been pointed out that the town is not for everyone and,
in fact, can look pretty bleak to a lot of people.

Rather than simply blame the consultant, we have to look inward and examine why
we had so few candidates and what can be done to change that.  Think of what PT
is and compare that to what might attract the kind of candidates that we want. 
This is not an easy task.  Talking about simplifying it won't make it so.
10:14 pm edt 

Monday, October 13, 2014

Salary? Celery!!

He is making over $200,000 and was never going to take this position. It was not
salary--more celery and his new position in Washington.

Facts are facts.
Get a new firm and look for new, viable candidates.
10:20 pm edt 

Keep Writing Your Grants

Number two here and not selected there. Stay with you day job, my dear. You have
reached your max.
10:19 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

Yesterday at 12:41pm · Edited From the Beacon

"I spend a lot of time thinking 'what if'."


I WISH YOU WOULD SPEND MORE TIME THINKING OF RESIGNING SO PROVINCETOWN COULD
MOVE ON!!
10:17 pm edt 

Re: MJ, Former Provincetown Manager Candidate

"You Are not Hired in Truro and You come in second in Provincetown"



I'm glad you're not writing grants. Your writing skills leave Much To Be
Desired. Especially the random caps. Lol.
10:15 pm edt 

Dan Hoort, Provincetown Finance Director

Re:  "Are you kidding me, now the finance director is recommending
using the Hall Parking lot to build more affordable housing units. . ."



This was the actual statement:

I spend a lot of time thinking 'what if'. Lately I've been thinking of the
conversations about the purchase of the Hall property to make it a park and the
LandBank fund. A number of conversations have centered on the thought that it is
crazy to spend $1.7M on a property for a park when we have so many other needs.

I say this as a private citizen. Maybe it is time to roll the LandBank fund into
the CPA fund as 13 out of 15 other Cape communities have done. It would do one
of two things; either lower taxes by 3% or allow us to take that 3% and vote to
use it for something else. I hear a lot of talk about the housing shortage and
how do we pay for the police station or DPW garage, but how many times have you
heard anyone talking about the lack of open space? Especially with the National
Seashore right next door.

If part of the reason we have a housing shortage is the lack of buildable space
does it make sense to keep buying land so no one can build on it?  (end of post)

I did not mention housing although I think community housing is a need in town. 
We all have opinions on how to improve our town.   We can agree to disagree on
issues.  But, I do think it would be helpful to all of us if we stick to the
facts.  And make our arguments about the facts, not about the person making the
argument.

Dan Hoort

(And yes Clarence, I did write this, you are welcome to verify it)
10:09 pm edt 

Mark Hatch


WARNING! Petition Signatures

I'm reposting this from Facebook - This post is a WARNING! Both me and someone I
know in town were approached by someone to sign the Charter Petition only we
were told that it was a recall petition for Mary-Jo. I asked twice what the
petition was for and was told it was a recall BOTH times. One has to wonder what
is going on if the people trying to get a petition signed are lying about what
the petition is for. Surely they are up to no good. Remember, this petition is
being forwarded by people who have an agenda. Make sure you ask them what their
agenda IS before you sign. If there is any doubt about what these people want,
there is a document on line (and it can be posted again) showing the changes
they wish to make that include: voting rights for second homeowners at town
meeting, second homeowners on committees, moving town meeting so more second
homeowners can attend, making the Finance Committee an elected body instead of
appointment by the Town Moderator (I guess this !
is where the Mary-Jo lie comes in), and other very serious changes. It's up to
you how you feel, but now my position is that if someone has to lie to get
something done, there's nefarious intent. So be warned.

Mark Hatch
10:05 pm edt 

Sunday, October 12, 2014

Reflections

OUR LIVES

One can spend their hours on MYPACC and FACEBOOK PAGES OR NOT.

I went to the beach after 4pm. There are over eight billion people in the world;
and over three hundred million Americans in the continental United states, yet I
had the beach all to myself.

The water was liquid light-shimmering silvery blue silk lapping the shore. A
seal seemed to swim parallel to me as I walked the beach. And it was warm out! I
was so surprised.

I spend a fraction of my time on these electronic media outlets now. Pictures of
food, the plastic bag issue, or the town manger-to-be who was never meant to be.

The winter population which needs affordable housing and the ones who are out
and about and the ones secluded doing their life's work.

We young hippies at the time are now seniors; the world goes on but I'm content
with my garden and my close friends and my life.

I'm past the constant razzle dazzle. My now spouse and I have been together
since our youth and our priorities have always been each other, our devotion to
our own work that we do and to our friends.

I bought a power ball ticket because friends talked about it..and if I win we
will get a new police station, a new DPW building and every non profit that I
deem worthy will be mortgage free and will have an endowment for the upkeep of
their building.

Money isn't important to me--the friends I trust and love and who love and trust
and who became my family are what counts in my life.

I now let the rest of the strum and drung that churns among you and that has
seeped into your souls and taken over your lives thrive amongst you. I've
removed myself from all of it and thrive with the love of my spouse, my friends
and my family and the satisfaction I receive from my work and my courage to
create.
11:37 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Are you kidding me, now the finance director is recommending using the
Hall Parking lot to build more affordable housing units. No way. I pay 10 grand
a year in property tax alone, as a year round citizen. I want open space on
Commercial Street period. We have reached the 10% mandate for affordable
housing. Get  3 jobs like I did people. No more handouts.
11:34 pm edt 

MJ, Former Provincetown Manager Candidate

You Are not Hired in Truro and You come in second in Provincetown

You are not who we need. You are not that qualified. so continue writing grants
and that is good you have that position. but any higher? No, and no for two
towns. You just don't have it. Neither the leadership nor the vision nor a
strategy for this town.

11:32 pm edt 

Re: Former Police Chief Jeff Jaran

Negotiations with Jeff Jaran?? Why would we even negotiate with this
thug?He used intimidation tactics against anyone he perceived as a threat. I
just do not get it.
11:28 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

"I don't think anyone is talking about more low-cost housing."


Where have you been?  Many are talking exactly that.
11:27 pm edt 

Re: Richard Reinhard

"So we were used as a Promotion"


Oh grow up. Apparently you need to pose poor little Provincetown as a victim of
a candidate who refused the job, for reasonable points of his own. A number of
townspeople saw this coming, btw. It was a foolhardy idea to cut the TM salary
in the first place. THAT'S where the lesson has been learned.
11:21 pm edt 

Re: Housing Everyone

"More low cost housing without good year round jobs will simply increase the
Town's already state worst winter unemployment rate. More housing will not
produce those needed jobs."



I don't think anyone is talking about more low-cost housing. They're talking
about regular mid-level housing. You know how many of our police live in town?
(hint, answer is less than 5). How about employees of the town? Imagine if all
those people lived in town, spent their money in town, went out to dinner in
town, and lived in town. The town's economy would drastically improve if only
100 more people lived here. Why don't they? Ask them. They can't find a place to
live, even if they can pay regular rent. That's the issue.
11:32 am edt 

Re: Future Town Manager Candidates

So We Were Used for a Promotion

That happens quite a bit in today's world. so be it. Now let's get on with the
real search for a town manager. these were not the best but those selected from
an unprofessional firm. the entire process should have been scraped even before
the selection of these three.

Lessons can be learned. time to learn them now.
10:39 am edt 

Former Police Chief Jeff Jaran

Jeff Jaran allowed a female employee  to be sexually harassed,
attempted to directly influence an election at a town owned workspace and
intimidated a local establishment in a drunken rage. Do not forget the damage he
caused to this town as negotiations towards a settlement proceed. He and his
girlfriend were toxic in their actions towards the employees and citizens of
Provincetown. Not another dime should be wasted on this        . Better yet sue
him.
9:43 am edt 

Saturday, October 11, 2014

Oastey, Richard Rogers

Isn't he just a piece of you know what. Add him and others to this second
homeowners illegitimate group and stick in Candace Nagle and others.

Venom and insidious positions. Sour, sick and desperate.

Seek counseling before it is too late! You need help now.
But if you don't, well, we shall watch and wait.
10:43 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager
 
Oh, Please!

Hire locally. No. Hire the right person. Hire well and we will get the town
manager we need.
10:19 pm edt 

Re: Richard Reinhard

"It was only about him".


Bull. It was the low-ball salary (thanks MC, EY, TD), few opps in housing,
killer winters. Plus the town is littered with wind bags (the human kind). God
bless MJ if she takes the job. But she's got the will and knows the way.
10:17 pm edt 

Future Town Manager Candidates

So, Sorry. It was Not About Us

It was only about him. Reinhard has his plan and his future occupational goals.
that is what motivated him. It had nothing to do with who we are, what we do, and our future.
It was all about him. And it worked for him.

Maybe, now, with insight, it will work for us in the next round.
And, please, no more, Meet and Greet. This was a waste of time.

Let us Meet and Greet the new town manager. Not these three lo9sers--as it
turned out.
7:57 pm edt 

Re: Richard Reinhard

Town Govt here right now is too unsettled to put unqualified people in
place! David does a good job of maintaining everything while the search goes on!
The Fin Com are holding it all together for Special Town Mtg. Someone will
eventually apply that is interested,not as a stepping stone like this last one
just did!  He obviously didn't want the challenge!
7:51 pm edt 

Re: Richard Reinhard

Was Richard Reinhard 's Salary in Washington for the Downtown DC
business Improvement district Really over $200,000?

If it was, then surely we were only a means to an end: Reinhard's desire to be
the Executive Director instead of the Deputy Executive Director.

Had we had a solid and professional search firm, they would have caught the
contradiction early. they would have seen that he should not be a finalist but
not a candidate at all given what he was making and what he would make here.
simple math would have crossed him off the list.

How did we get such a terrible search firm? Look at the scathing letter that the
Search Committee sent to the BOS about the flawed process.

Let us start again with real candidates and professional options.

10:56 am edt 

Let's Wait

Crazy town, now it's about protecting the good name of everything
Front Street even at the expense of most board members. I think we should not do 
anything about hiring of a new town manager for the time being. Let's wait until
after the spring election with a new BOS and probably a new FINCOM.
10:55 am edt 

Town Manager

     I would like to advise those who are in charge to follow these five simple
rules when selecting a new town manager:

      1. Hire locally
      2. Hire locally
      3. Hire locally
      4. Hire locally
      5. Hire locally

     Look at the these three gems, librarian, police chief, town
manager(including the last fiasco).
10:45 am edt 

Housing Everyone, Housing

The Rest Will Follow

More low cost housing without good year round jobs will simply increase the
Town's already state worst winter unemployment rate. More housing will not
produce those needed jobs.
10:41 am edt 

Friday, October 10, 2014

Just Saying

I think many if not all the front of the house and back of the house staff for
that matter at FRONT STREET would serve the town in a more professional manner
than the majority of our elected officials and or regulatory Board Members.
Donna and Kathy are a great example of smart, intelligent owners and their staff
reflects those same values. Stop taking "pot shots" at individuals who work in
our community. For the record I would not want Michelle to be our new TM but
don't attack the woman don't we have enough of that already.
10:25 pm edt 

Re: So Let the Process go On

"We will not get a top flight town manager to come to PT.  It is very isolated,
very small.  the politics are horrendous. The cost to live here is very high.
There are almost no job opportunities for family members. The school situation
is very difficult.  We can not afford the kind of money to overcome some of
these problems.  We should understand who we are and what is possible and stop
the dreaming and blaming."


I think you bring up the meat of the situation. He did NOT say the salary was
"very low" and it was very plain what happened. The process and the recruiter
were flawed from the beginning, and the reasons you cite above have a lot to do
with someone taking the position. People in town seem to want to believe that
everyone wants to live in town permanently and go no where else (btw, the other
candidate lives in TRURO not Provincetown). I think we can get a top talent, but
it's going to take a great search and finding that person who wants to be in an
isolated, older demographic place with not a lot going on most of the year.

I also think that his resignation letter really brings out the main problem in
the town, but everyone refuses to really think about it: the housing situation
is appalling. The leads to appalling winter conditions, lack of choice,
isolation, etc. Look how much of the town is owned by part-time people now? Can
any town survive as a town like this? How long before there's 200 people here in
the winter unless we make housing and the job opportunity situation our
priorities instead of stupid buildings? I honestly think that some people on the
Facebook pages just want to completely destroy the town instead of helping it
out. It's sad. HOUSING everyone, HOUSING. The rest will follow.
10:23 pm edt 

Town Manager Candidate Qualifications

I like Michelle as a Housing Specialist.  Unfortunately as evidenced
by her interview she is a weak candidate for town manager.
10:20 pm edt 

Seashore Point

AFTER reading the banner yesterday about their money wooo's.i find it
incredible that they are taking it out on their workers, the ones who work the
closest with the residents there. the kitchen and housekeepers and laundry
workers and the certified nurses aides. many are taking up to a 4$ and hr pay
cut.32$ less a day.if you do the math it is a huge amount from these hard
workers and long term employees.do they really expect these workers to pay their
deficit..and did you notice that no one from the offices were subjected to a pay
cut..and I suppose management will expect these people to show up to work with
huge smiles and thankful they have a job...why doesn't the banner go interview
the workers to see how they really feel about seashore points money
problems...the town can thank these workers because the town wouldn't have a
nursing home for their elderly unless they gave up their raises they have
received since seashore bought the cape end manor...
10:18 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Planning Board

How about the town pony up and pave the god damned street first in order to make
the area more beautiful! Like it's been said, you can't polish a turd. The main
road is a disaster to the point it damn near rattles the fillings out of your
teeth. Fix he road and the rest will follow happily.
10:15 pm edt 

It Was Never About Salary

Richard Reinhard knew the salary. He knew this place is expensive and real
estate high. He knew that it is not the center of great entrepreneurial
business. He knew of all of this--and importantly, he had not been here before
except for the interviews. He simply picked this town and many others and
applied. then when any one town wanted him, he went back to his old department
and said: either you hire me for the head position or  I'm leaving! We were
simply leverage for him.

It was not salary. This was just a smoke screen.

Goodbye and good luck. Now on to a new and better and more professional search!
10:13 pm edt 

Town Manager Salary

Shouldn't a town a Meeting, which agreed on the $120,000 TM salary
reconsider again if this salary level is still suitable for attracting a large
number of candidates?
10:11 pm edt 

Re: New TM Select Declines

"So, now think about it - if he can't afford to live in provincetown
on a $120,000+ salary then just think of what it must be like for all the other
people employed in town that make a fraction of that salary. How can they
survive and someone like him claims he can't."


Wait a minute, here.  You just don't get it.  He said nothing about surviving. 
He said the money was not enough for him.  It has nothing to do with affording
to live here.  He was not appointed to be your servant.  He is free to decide
for himself to go where his services are worth the most to HIM.

Your observation about it being very expensive to live here are true, however,
it has nothing to do with how he values the situation.  He does not and should
not be comparing his situation with yours or mine.  If you are qualified for the
job, apply. I won't resent you making that money.
9:52 am edt 

Town Manager Pick Declines

Just goes to show you..... Michelle J should have been chosen in the first
place.
Why is it that people/leaders in this town think that somebody from away can do
a better job than candidates that are right here and already have many years of
experience with our town?
9:50 am edt 

Provincetown Planning Board

Last Nights Planning Board Debacle    Last night the planning board
once again grilled the new pet resort over the Shank Painter Road beautification
and mandatory reduction of curb cuts.  It seems that the planning bd would
rather see a new year round business lose much needed parking in the front in
order to make way for a silly curb.  This new curb would eventually limit access
to all businesses on Shank Painter Rd and cause more traffic.  At a time when
year round businesses are dwindling they yet again deter the success of a new
business.  I am sure this will end up in the courts and cost the town plenty of
$$ for no reason.  ugggh
9:48 am edt 

Town Employee Silence

It depends on who's doing the talking. Some have been fired or made to resign
for making things known. There are some that know things but will never speak up
in fear of being let go.
9:46 am edt 

Thursday, October 9, 2014

The New Math

Re: New TM Select Declines

"So I hear that the top town manager candidate said that the salary is
much to low to take the job? Way to go Donegan, Yingling and Canizales. Both of
you are responsible for this and have all the answers but refuse to see that."


Really? Since when does three constitute both? This must be the new math

Just saying.
11:07 pm edt 

Re: So Let the Process go On

"So I hear that the top town manager candidate said that the salary is
much to low to take the job? Way to go Donegan, Yingling and Canizales. Both of
you are responsible for this and have all the answers but refuse to see that
your the real problems. I for one do not want to see the a insider from town
hall default candidate elect. Start the process over and let's pay for talent
instead of settling for a front street waitress turned affordable housing
expert."


And, exactly what is your problem with Front Street and the excellent staff
there? At least they know enough not to say "both" when referring to three
people.  Also, they know that the pay rate was voted at Town Meeting not by
"both". To top off your silliness, the candidate did not say it was "much to
low".

I have no problem with MJ and the BOS should discuss her situation with Gardner
and get his opinion.  Talk with other people with whom she has worked.  With the
proper staff working with the Town manager the job does not need the credentials
that you seem to insist upon.

We will not get a top flight town manager to come to PT.  It is very isolated,
very small.  the politics are horrendous. The cost to live here is very high. 
There are almost no job opportunities for family members.  The school situation
is very difficult.  We can not afford the kind of money to overcome some of
these problems.  We should understand who we are and what is possible and stop
the dreaming and blaming.
11:02 pm edt 

Re: So Let the Process go On

"Oatsey, Ms Hurd and Ms Nagle find another town to bother it is time
to stop this nonsense. Please BOS members ignore these fb pages and just move
on."



Good advice, now heed it yourself.  I hope that we are all intelligent enough to
understand the real world. Remember its ok to not agree with everything.  Don't
get so worked up by people posting stuff.  As you were told as a kid I-G-N-O-R-E
yourself.  Let the BOS read and decide.
10:42 pm edt 

Re: Town Employee Silence

I don't understand the twisted analogy of comments from a recent
poster on this blog who said Town Employees are to remain silent! Are you saying
they must see but not say anything about evil goings on in the system?If they
didn't say anything while they knew it was wrong you'd brand them as part of a
conspiracy! So,which is it? Employees do not sign an agreement to be silenced!
They are sworn in to their job by the Town Clerk ,but don't forfeit their rights
of opinion! They should use common sense in what,how & to whom they speak about
improprieties!
10:07 pm edt 

Re: New TM Select Declines

Reinhard declines job offer/salary too low

So, now think about it - if he can't afford to live in provincetown on a
$120,000+ salary then just think of what it must be like for all the other
people employed in town that make a fraction of that salary. How can they
survive and someone like him claims he can't.
10:05 pm edt 

Wednesday, October 8, 2014

Re: New TM Select Declines

So I hear that the top town manager candidate said that the salary is
much to low to take the job? Way to go Donegan, Yingling and Canizales. Both of
you are responsible for this and have all the answers but refuse to see that
your the real problems. I for one do not want to see the a insider from town
hall default candidate elect. Start the process over and let's pay for talent
instead of settling for a front street waitress turned affordable housing
expert.
9:42 pm edt 

Re: New TM Select Declines

Here's My Sense:

He Was Never Going to Take This Position

He was comfortable in Washington and he wanted his boss's position. so he went
after our town manager position to increase his value in Washington. All he
needed was our interest and our selection of  him as our choice. then he could
take this to the bank--his Washington company--and deposit our interest. then,
they would want him even more as the new head of the department.

We were nothing more than interest on remaining in Washington and gaining the
position he really wanted.

He was not a lover of Provincetown but someone who could use Provincetown to
gain his desired position in Washington. And it worked for him

Let's hope we learned something from this warped process.
9:40 pm edt 

So Let the Process go On

Let's look for a new town manager and have a search that is legitimate. If you
read the letter from the Search Committee, they found the consulting firm
problematic, incomplete, and incompetent. the BOS should have then and
there--asked that a new consulting firm be hired and real candidates
interviewed.

This was a limited and incomplete list of candidates. They should never have
gone forward. But the did--and Voila! we are now back to where we started.

David Gardner is back in the office. and the BOs need to find real and powerful
candidates--not the three average candidates that were left.

Start over and start right.
9:38 pm edt 

Re: New TM Declines

"Town Manager Select, Richard Reinhart has declined Offer of
Employment Reasons Given:

Salary             
Cost of Real Estate
Limited Opportunities of Employment for Partner"



Well, well. I guess that we have been saved from a guy who did not think that
homework was important.  He Should have known the salary, the cost of real
estate and the terrible job market.

Now what?  Next sucker. 

Remember the definition of insanity.
9:35 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

"This infringement of MYPACC copyright material crosses the line and is
in direct violation of Facebook rules and regulations and as such will be
prosecuted to the full extent of the law"



What line was crossed?  Did Clarence ask them to take the stuff down?  Did they
refuse?  What is the point of this silliness.  I"m sure that copyright law can
be enforced, but "direct violation of Facebook rules and regulations"?  A quick
consult with a lawyer will cost a few hundred and reveal that breaking
facebook's rules is not against the law for third parties. FB may have a case if
the site signed some sort of contract.

All in all, another PT tempest in a teapot.  Kind of reminds me of the uproar
about "follow the green line" to the East End.

Hey, you don't like those folks.  tell them to stop with the copy from your
site.  They will.  fight over.  Now we can all find another pointless point to
fight over
9:31 pm edt 

New TM Declines

This is crazy. The guy saw the salary range and had to do sort of investigating
into the real estate in the area prior to his applying and interviewing and NOW
he refuses the offers made? So now what? Do they look a the remaining finalists
and decide from one of them or do we start the entire process over? To me, the
most intelligent vote would have been for Michele to get the job. Waive the
foolish residency requirement and give the job to someone that has served the
community for over 30 years. She knows the towns needs, knows the towns people
and knows the system of government we have here. There would be no relocation
costs and no "fitting in". The selectmen just don't know a good thing when they
see one right in front of them.
9:28 pm edt 

Banner Wicked Local Website

October 08. 2014 3:07PM   By Erik Borg

Selectmen's top TM pick withdraws in Provincetown
Richard Reinhard has declined the Provincetown town manager position after
several rounds of contract negotiations.

Reinhard informed the selectmen by phone and email Tuesday night that he is
withdrawing from consideration for the job, citing Provincetowns high cost of
living and a lack of year-round career opportunities for his family.

In visiting Provincetown, I developed a better understanding that the town's
resources would not allow me to be compensated in a way that I had anticipated.
I also became acutely aware of the high housing prices in the town, Reinhard
wrote in an email addressed to the selectmen, obtained by the Banner.

He continued in the email, While the small-town aspects and natural environment
of Provincetown are most appealing, the fit between the town and my family on a
year-round basis would be a challenge.

Selectmen chair Tom Donegan said Wednesday morning that he was very disappointed
and genuinely surprised at Reinhards announcement. Donegan had hosted Reinhard
and his husband as part of a small group dinner at his home on Sunday and was
encouraged that a deal would be reached, he said.  I guess I was being the
wishful thinker, he said.

Contract negotiations between Reinhard and the town had progressed amicably
since Reinhard was first presented with the job offer on Friday, Sept. 26. 
Reinhard countered the initial offer with a list of his own requirements the
following Monday, which the selectmen swiftly responded to with a second offer.
The details of the offer, including the annual yearly salary, are still
concealed under executive session rules, but Donegan said that the selectmen
effectively met his requirements.

The maximum salary for the town manager position was cut from $149,000 to
$120,000 by Provincetown voters at the 2014 Annual Town Meeting.   In the end, I
think it was the housing issues and the opportunities for his family. Im not
sure the salary was even preeminent anymore.

Reinhards husband, who works for a housing agency in Maryland, made his first
trip to Provincetown over the weekend to beginning looking for housing.

However, Provincetowns expensive real estate market quickly disillusioned
Reinhard and his husband to the prospect of relocating, according to multiple
sources.

Reinhard expressed to the selectmen that he found Provincetown to be even more
expensive than Washington, D.C., where he currently lives.  He wasnt comparing
the waterfront to Dupont Circle, Donegan said. He was talking about houses that
someone at his salary level could afford, and Provincetown was more expensive.

Reinhard currently lives in the Brookland neighborhood of Washington, D.C.,
which had a median home sales price of $585,000 or $404 per square-foot during
the most recent fiscal quarter of this year, according to the real estate
website Trulia.

The average price per square-foot in Provincetown was $530 during the same
period, according to Trulia.

Reinhard was not available for comment for this article.

The selectmen will meet again on Monday when they will decide whether to present
a job offer to runner-up candidate Michelle Jarusiewicz or reopen the search
process.
Jarusiewicz currently serves as the towns community housing specialist and has
been employed by the town in a variety of roles for more than 30 years. 
Jarusiewicz, who lives in Truro, had not been contacted about the job as of
Wednesday.

Thats a decision the board will have to make Monday, Donegan said.
9:26 pm edt 

Stop Bickering All of You

While the "important people" try to figure out hiring of a town
manager, we peons are left with some spending questions at the next town
meeting. What happens if we buy the parking lot on Commercial Street? Is it
still parking, something else? Not a word in the article about proposed use. I
just opened up my property tax bill last week. How do we pay for this thing. Are
we going to continue to pump money, a million dollars this time, to fix that
high school. When is it enough? Stop bickering all of you. Oatsey, Ms Hurd and
Ms Nagle find another town to bother it is time to stop this nonsense. Please
BOS members ignore these fb pages and just move on.
9:21 pm edt 

Re: Reinhart Decline

With the withdrawal of Reinhard due to insufficient funds being
provided by our finance committee we either go to runner-up Michelle J. or start
the entire process over again.

While Michelle wasn't the first choice, she may be the safe choice at this time
and she'll work for cheap.
7:50 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

Facebook Sites

Now u are crawfishing. You did defend it. Did you read what u wrote?
Also I have no idea what you are talking about regarding the individuals names
you are dropping. I am not a part of any history on this site. The "regulars" 
are probably wondering, who is this poster? And that's the thing, your
aggressive nature has now crossed onto the regular Joes and we are not happy to
stumble across these sites and see our tax dollars "paying" for town officials
to be on known spewing hate on fake Facebook sites. As far as Facebook, yes I
will do something about it. Because unlike you and any group who is wrong, I
actually call them out and get things done. Now since you don't like this site,
get off it.
7:40 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

It's ironic the misogynist Richard Oatsey Rogers himself encourages ms
anti-hate georgette Nagle Hutton to spew her venom. I guess its his personal
crusade to destroy the fabric he so enjoyed when his parents brought him to town
                                                                                                               .
7:34 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

"You didn't do a really good job defending that horrible site. lol"



I am not defending anything, and that is your problem.  ANyone that asks a
question of you and your ilk is accused of being an enemy of the people of PT.
Why do you care about this web site. If you don't like it, then don't go there. 
People can decide for themselves about the truth of posts.  Just like on here
people can decide whether Brian Carlson was attacked unjustly.  ANd the Same For
Hoort.  And the same For Nagle.  And the same for anyone who dares to question
the authority of the FinCom.

Too many of you people would like to be censors.  Next you would check out the
library to be sure that only books that you approve would be available.  Because
you don't like or agree with something does not make it wrong or evil or
horrible.  All the overused adjectives do not change anything in the US
Constitution.  If facebook as a problem with someone breaking the rules, let
facebook deal with it.  Who appointed you the guardian of facebook behavior?
2:11 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

"Highlight the freedom of speech part"


AGAIN TO THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE TO THROW THIS OUT THERE. FREEDOM OF SPEECH DOES NOT
MEAN WE CAN SAY WHATEVER WE WANT WITHOUT HAVING SOME FORM OF REPURCUSSIONS. GO
BACK TO 8TH HISTORY CLASS.
12:42 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

"I can't quite figure out what is fraudulent about the FB site.  It is
a real site and like other FB sites has no control over people using pseudonyms.
Please state exactly what is your problem with people wanting to express their
opinions while withholding their identity."
 


Personal preference?  What?

Have you ever read Facebook's polices? It is their rule, not mine, you are not
allowed to have a fake Facebook profile. In some instances when a site has a
certain number of members and Facebook doesn't think you are a real person, they
will deactivate that Facebook account. Which will happen to the Beacon, trust
me.  Here let me post it for you, again.

How to Report Violations

How do I report inappropriate or abusive things on Facebook (ex: nudity, hate
speech, threats)?.

How do I report harassment or abuse on Facebook if I don't have an account?.


How do I report something on Facebook that I can't see?.


How do I report a fake account thats pretending to be me?.

How do I report a fake account thats pretending to be me if I don't have a
Facebook account?.


How do I report a fake account that's pretending to be someone I know?.


I need to report an account that's pretending to be me, but I think it blocked
me. What should I do? .


How do I report a fake account?.


How do I report a profile?.

How do I report spam on Facebook?.

How do I report an objectionable ad running in an outside app?.


How do I report an app or game


How do I report an abusive Page?


And as far as the comment it has no control with people using "pseudonyms" as
you put it, is just down right dumb. Of course they do, the admin can decide who
it wants on their Facebook page or not. EVERYONE knows that. They actually
publicly post who is requesting membership and if they will let them join or
"get the axe"

You didn't do a really good job defending that horrible site. lol
12:39 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

"to look at this blog, one might think a lot of people
think they are important.  The reality is very few people care with the
exception of a few who cant put the past behind them in order to heal the town
and continue to charge at windmills seeing enemies that no longer exist or
never existed at all.  Candy has moved.  Sharon is gone.  Jaran is no longer
on the job."


Are you kidding me? That is all the Beacon does is talk about the past! Put the
past behind you, realize that no one wanted you here, you got shamefully kicked
out of town, and move on!! The three people you mentioned must be the fake names
on that site. That would explain all the hatred they have pent up inside of
them. I suggest therapy for you all. It does wonders, but you have to be open to
it. Let it all go.
12:34 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

Fake versus anonymous; I fail to see a great deal of difference except that if a
person is using a face book nom de plume you can at least tell the posts are
coming from the same person and have a better gage of how many people support
stated positions.  On this blog you could have the same person taking different
positions on the same issue just to troll.  Or you could have a single person
making multiple posts in order to FAKE the appearance of support on an issue
when very little support exists.

This is hysterical. A fake name is okay and you can have a better gage of the
people??? Now I know your nuts! How can you gage anything to a bunch of cowards
who cannot use their names? How can you understand their point of view if you
don't know who they are? All everyone over there does it trash talk people
anyway, nothing of importance comes out of your fake profile names anyway. And
the people who do use there real names are nuts too. Just a bunch of trash. You
must be the admin of that garbage site.  And I am not so narcissistic as you are
to ever think of making multiple posts in order to FAKE appearances, haha, you
just through yourself under the little bus buddy and told us all how you
operate. Get a life, quit trolling over here to copy and paste what people say
and put in on your has been site.  Cant even think of any thing intelligent to
say so copy and post and bully and then your little followers add their trashy
comments. I looked at the people who comment and !
wow, what a bunch of low life's. It doesn't take a genius to realize that your
site is the nuthouse. Your site will be finished soon. The real people that
matter in this town are sick and tired of you people being rude and nasty to
others and hide behind a fake Facebook page. Such a coward. How easy it is to
trash talk but you will never have the courage to say something to someone's
face and be a grown up about it.  Again, I hope that the people in town hall esp
the BOS read this and "excuse" there selves from the Beacon. It is an
embarrassment to our community to have a open/fake Facebook site that just
purposefully trashes members of our community. What kind of message are you
sending to us tax payers? That its okay to be involved with that? We have anti
bulling in the schools and we teach our children to not bully and then you go to
the Beacon and that's all you see there? And then after reading the trash, you
see that certain members are on the BOS, and Community Board!
s, and even teachers who are supposed to teach our kids about bulling
are on a bullying fake Facebook page! This needs to stop! And everyone needs to
get involved. I do not want to send my child to a school where members of the
school associate with such vile and hatred. I do not want to pay the BOS
salaries when they are associating with a known fake Facebook page. 

This will  end. Soon.
12:30 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

"It's a true open site" now that is hysterical coming from a
fraudulent Facebook site run by fake people."


Maybe by "open" the writer means not censored like this site. In fact, the
difference of posting without an identity is not any different from posting
using a pseudonym.  In each case an expression is posted without attribution as
to the author.  I have no problem with the owner of a site censoring posts.  It
is theirs to operate as they like.  Clarence has every right to allow what he
chooses.

I can't quite figure out what is fraudulent about the FB site.  It is a real
site and like other FB sites has no control over people using pseudonyms. 
Please state exactly what is your problem with people wanting to express their
opinions while withholding their identity.  Personal preference?  What?
10:06 am edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

"It's a true open site" now that is hysterical coming from a fraudulent Facebook
site run by fake people. Ha ha ha. Seriously are you on drugs, recreational or
prescribed?  How can you even defend such a horrible site? And to answer any
questions about my identity, none of you have any idea who I am."



Fake versus anonymous; I fail to see a great deal of difference except that if a
person is using a face book nom de plume you can at least tell the posts are
coming from the same person and have a better gage of how many people support
stated positions.  On this blog you could have the same person taking different
positions on the same issue just to troll.  Or you could have a single person
making multiple posts in order to FAKE the appearance of support on an issue
when very little support exists.  Take the 100 emails (or all the emails for
that matter).  If one was to look at this blog, one might think a lot of people
think they are important.  The reality is very few people care with the
exception of a few who cant put the past behind them in order to heal the town
and continue to charge at windmills seeing enemies that no longer exist or never
existed at all.  Candy has moved.  Sharon is gone.  Jaran is no longer on the
job.

As far as defending the other blog it speaks for itself.  There you have real
conversations, back and forth.  There the moderators do not pick and choose the
subjects and censor posts that dont further their own agenda.  That certainly is
not the case on this blog.  Why Id be surprised if this posts makes the cut. 
But thats okay because if its not posted here, I can always post it over there
without fear of whether or not it meets CWs approval.

As far as bullying, what kind of drugs are you on?   This blog is the original
bully blog.  Its primary purpose seems to be attacking our citizens and town
employees the police chief, the town manager, the dog park lady, the DPW, the
building inspector,  the library  need I go on?

As far as what drugs Im on, recreational or prescribed,  the answer is both LOL.
10:02 am edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

"The person who bought up that many of the members of the
Provincetown/Truro/Beacon should withdraw their memberships has a very good
point. I support freedom of speech, but the people on this website are out to
destroy and hinder any progress in our town. Very few people are who they say
they are, and the whole thrust of the page is who can say or do the most
insulting and egregious things to people who actually care about this town.
"Please do not defend it. This doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.
Hoort feeds this group of malcontents and failures with information, both on the
site and in private messaging, and they take up their charge. Each and every
member who instigates comments is not living here, has been run out of town for
criminal acts, been voted out of office for incompetancy, or runs the site from
Washington D.C., with the intent to throw grenades into the middle of a crowd. I
ASK TOWN HALL EMPLOYEES, BOS MEMBERS, AND ANYONE WHO CARES ABOUT PROVINCETOWN

Vincent Currier
TO REMOVE THEIR NAMES FROM THAT VICIOUS, INSULTING, DISHONEST AND LIBELOUS WEB
BLOG. iT DOES YOUR NAMES NO GOOD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH A WEBSITE THAT IS HURTING
YOUR TOWN AND IT'S CARING PEOPLE."


Holy Moly, what a curious rant.  So un-american to want to limit free speech and
even put some of it in shouting caps.  I can't figure out if Currier wrote this
whole pile of trash or not.  the writing is as disjointed as the material in it. 
Do you remember the famous quote that went something like this," I don't agree
with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". 
Obviously you dan't either remember it or agree with it.

Read the Town Charter.  Read the Constitution of the USA.  maybe Clarence can
put it up and highlight the freedom of speech part.
9:57 am edt 

Hit and Run
 
I am seeking any help in finding the person, a grey or white haired person
driving a blue-ish / grey-ish small type vehicle that damaged the right side of
my brand new camaro yesterday around 11:15 am in the Post Office parking lot.
The other vehicle has to have red paint on what we are assuming to be their
front drivers side. I am estimating to now have approx $800 in damage. Any info
will be greatly appreciated. Officer Sullivan from the PPD is the investigating
officer.
9:49 am edt 

Wednesday, October 8, 2014

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

"It's a true open site" now that is hysterical coming from a
fraudulent Facebook site run by fake people. Ha ha ha. Seriously are you on
drugs, recreational or prescribed?  How can you even defend such a horrible
site? It's almost like a contest over there to see who can be the most vile
human being on this planet. And guess what? You all win the most disgusting,
inhuman,no soul, childish, ridiculous bullying award. I pray for u all.  I hope
you all get what you deserve. And to answer any questions about my identity,
none of you have any idea who I am. I am not involved in these attacks back and
forth. I have never met any of you and that's the saddest part.  Is that your
nasty behavior has found its way onto "strangers" Well guess what, we are sick
of it and justice will prevail.
12:17 am edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

"There should be a champaign started to demand that Facebook take
down Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon."


Before I only thought that you were not american, now I know it.  Screw freedom
of speech aand all the other crap in the Constitution.
9:37 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

RE:  copyright

Copyright schmopyright!  This blog doesn't own the copyright to the shout out
image of two silhouettes arguing.  It is a stock image available from Big Stock
photo.  Anyone can use it as long as they pay the monthly license fee.

You have been paying the fee haven't you blog master?  Even if you are paying
the monthly fee it doesn't give you exclusive rights to the image.  Go ahead and
print this if you dare.  I'm sure the Beacon will print it.  I'm going to post
it there next.  They don't censor posts.  It's a true open forum.
9:33 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon An Utter Disgrace

The person who bought up that many of the members of the
Provincetown/Truro/Beacon should withdraw their memberships has a very good
point. I support freedom of speech, but the people on this website are out to
destroy and hinder any progress in our town. Very few people are who they say
they are, and the whole thrust of the page is who can say or do the most
insulting and egregious things to people who actually care about this town.
Please do not defend it. This doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.
Hoort feeds this group of malcontents and failures with information, both on the
site and in private messaging, and they take up their charge. Each and every
member who instigates comments is not living here, has been run out of town for
criminal acts, been voted out of office for incompetancy, or runs the site from
Washington D.C., with the intent to throw grenades into the middle of a crowd.
I ASK TOWN HALL EMPLOYEES, BOS MEMBERS, AND ANYONE WHO CARES ABOUT PROVINCETOWN

Vincent Currier
TO REMOVE THEIR NAMES FROM THAT VICIOUS, INSULTING, DISHONEST AND LIBELOUS WEB
BLOG. iT DOES YOUR NAMES NO GOOD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH A WEBSITE THAT IS HURTING
YOUR TOWN AND IT'S CARING PEOPLE.
9:30 pm edt 

Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet/ Beacon An Utter Disgrace

There should be a champaign started to demand that Facebook take downProvincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon.

Everyone should write in a demand. Let's do  it!
6:48 pm edt 

Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet/ Beacon An Utter Disgrace

I think I see a defamation of character lawsuit plus
copyright infringement charges resulting from these
indefensible absurdities.

"Beacon" how stupid can you be. Why am I asking this question
when I already know the answer?

There's no hiding Candy, you are just compounding the charges. 
6:38 pm edt 

Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet/ Beacon An Utter Disgrace

Go get em Clarence. You still have the best form of expression in this
town. Thank you
6:26 pm edt 

Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet/ Beacon An Utter Disgrace

After reading all these posts on here I want to say that I am not on
any committee or in any form of government here in Ptown, just a regular old
Joe, but I have to say this, all this stuff that the Beacon is writing about on
Facebook is seriously wrong. I don't know if they realize how much trouble they
can get into. I know someone who works in the fraud department at Facebook, and
these people can get in serious trouble. They cant be that stupid to not realize
this. Unless they think no one will do anything about it, but if I was the
person or persons that they constantly attack all the time over there, I know I
would definitely put an end to it.
Even the names are fake, its so obvious and that is the first no no there is on
facebook.
"Jack Tracken"- opened account in 2013. FAKE

"Richard Rodgers"- opened account in 2014. FAKE

"Georgette Hutton"- opened account in 2014. FAKE

"Edward Olsson"- opened account in 2011. FAKE

And then there is all of a sudden a "Candance Nagle" requesting membership when
people start calling them out. How convenient! "Her" account opened in 2011.
Impossible, esp knowing how computer savvy "she" is with the "thousands of
emails" "she" has written over the year "she" was here. Highly doubtful "she"
just found facebook in 2011.

Also horrifying are the people that are members of the page. I would very
nervous if I were them, knowingly on a site that is so fake. I even saw board
members on there. And of course there is all the hatred and bad mouthing of
certain people written there also. Defamation of character is the first thing
that popped in my mind. The cheap shot cartoons are just horrible. I don't
understand how the Beacon can be so horrible to others and how members of ptown
who do use real names can be on there. Why would anyone want to be a part of
such a hateful site? And as far as anyone that works for the town, like a board
member or fincom member who comments and goes along with this purposeful hatred
site, a bulling site if you will, should be fired immediately and issue a public
apology. Do the selectman of this town know about this site? What about the
chief of police? Like I said, I am just a regular old joe, that works and pays
taxes, but this is embarrassing to see my tax dollars h!
ard at work for town officials working to create hate. Especially in this town
where so many of us had to overcome diversity because our lifestyles. How could
such a group exist here? I am so mind blown now, that in this day and age, when
we have a zero tolerance for bullying, it is taunting us right under our noses,
in this town. What a sad day for Provincetown. And a sad future to all those
involved in this. I really hope you read this and change your minds about being
involved with that facebook site.
6:25 pm edt 

Protecting Other People's Rights

HERE IS SOMETHING THE BEACON SHOULD READ!!!!!
FROM FACEBOOK'S POLICIES


Protecting Other People's Rights

We respect other people's rights, and expect you to do the same.

1. You will not post content or take any action on Facebook that infringes or violates
someone else's rights or otherwise violates the law.
2. We can remove any content or information you post on Facebook if we believe
that it violates this Statement or our policies.
3. We provide you with tools to help you protect your intellectual property
rights. To learn more, visit our How to Report Claims of Intellectual Property
Infringement page.
4. If we remove your content for infringing someone else's copyright, and you
believe we removed it by mistake, we will provide you with an opportunity to
appeal.
5. If you repeatedly infringe other people's intellectual property rights, we
will disable your account when appropriate.
6. You will not use our copyrights or trademarks (including Facebook, the
Facebook and F Logos, FB, Face, Poke, Book and Wall), or any confusingly similar
marks, except as expressly permitted by our Brand Usage Guidelines or with our
prior written permission.
7. If you collect information from users, you will: obtain their consent, make
it clear you (and not Facebook) are the one collecting their information, and
post a privacy policy explaining what information you collect and how you will
use it.
8. You will not post anyone's identification documents or sensitive financial
information on Facebook.
9. You will not tag users or send email invitations to non-users without their
consent. Facebook offers social reporting tools to enable users to provide
feedback about tagging.

6:19 pm edt 

Correction Statement

I want to point out that there have been a few posts made on Mypacc by people
signing my name. Desperate and childish acts, for certain. The webmaster, being
fair and careful, has made certain this will not happen again.
Thank you, Clarence, for taking the time to correct the problem!

Vincent Currier
4:04 pm edt 

Re: Georgette Hutton

"Additionally even though I don't live here full time"


Nice try. I'll ask the webmaster to verify my posts with me from now on.

Mark Hatch

Webmaster Comment:

Apology to Mark Hatch, for posting the misleading submittal. This gravely
reflects on the character and negative intent of  the original poster .

Again,

Out sincere apology
3:30 pm edt 

Re: Georgette Hutton

Webmaster Comment: This is an illegitimate posting and as such will be forwarded to the Host Site's legal department for I.P. address identification.
These are the acts of a philosophically bankrupt mind bereft of any principles.


Additionally even though I don't live here full time I've contributed
more than her in my one year on the Finance Committee.  I've supported and
worked with the Chair to bring forward articles, increase parking rates and
revenue and keep the public informed about the town's finances.

Mark
12:04 pm edt 

Georgette Hutton

Now that georgette Hutton is Revealed for the Fake She is

Now Candace Nagle is asking permission to be admitted to the Beacon. So like
those DoubleMint twins, we will hear her positions, policies, and presentiments
twice.

Just what this town needs! A perfect solution for a split personality or a
schizophrenic person.

Rehobeth Beach is calling!
11:26 am edt 

From: Mark Hatch

Re: The Mostly Non-Resident Page's New Class

"Georgette Hutton New poll question: Who was the first to see what an assh*le
Mark Hatch is? LOL"


Well, you see "Georgette", when I post I use my name on it. And while I'm
flattered you used my picture in a post (honest I'd have to hire a New York PR
firm to give me as much exposure as you people do), I'm mostly flattered at
being called a name like that. To me it means I'm not saying things to be part
of a crowd, or to get ahead, or not speaking because I need something from
someone, I'm just being honest about what I think. I'd also like to point out
that I have nothing to do with this blog. Nothing. The blogmaster is in charge
because it's his blog and his rules. If you don't like it, don't publicize it as
much as you do because you're also contributing to a large uptick in reading
here.

I also understand the difference between being anonymous and using a fake name
to deceive or cause damage safely. It's so brave of you to use a fake name! You
see, "anonymity" is a tool to use if you either fear for your safety or job.
Remember the hacking heroes "Anonymous"? Being fake is...well...being fake. And,
evidently, Facebook agrees because they're in the process of weeding out people
who don't use the name on their driver's license. It's just a matter of time
before they get to you, "Georgette" and other posters. I also know most of you
don't even live in town or are just "hangers on". The only people I have a
responsibility to are the voters and the tax payers, in that order. When you use
your real name, we can all know if any of us have any responsibility to you.

So, again, thanks so much for the publicity! I relish every last post because if
no one is talking about me, no one is talking about me. And no matter what you
post, I will continue to fight for the things I do and expressing my opinion
openly. You've done more to make people know who I am and what I say than
anyone, and I truly appreciate that. You have no idea how many people stop me on
the street to tell me they agree, and to keep fighting these people. I couldn't
have accomplish so much in so little time without you all.

Mark
10:06 am edt 

Re: Outspoken Town Employees

"To the poster that says people in town government or boards have the
right to speak freely, you are so wrong. When you join a board or get voted in,
you work for us. Dont get it twisted. You may encourage us to get involved and
to post things that are town related, but to be voice negative comments are
wrong. Or views as you put it. If you havent been asked, dont offer. Just like
teachers cant have a part time job stripping or hooking, you need to uphold
yourself to a high standard, and by that i mean shut your mouth. What makes you
think anyone gives a shit what you have to say anyway??"


Were you laughing when you wrote this? Sure makes me laugh.  This is what
dictators are made of.  Some are more equal than others.  You'll make the rules. 
I hope that every employee in town voices their opinions civilly and
thoughtfully and makes us all think.  I hope then that you try to legally still
their voices and get laughed out of town.  No body asked for your comments, but
you sure know how to make them, sensible or not.  perhaps you might consider
moving to North Korea or China or Cuba where people like you decide what is ok
for others to say.

Sorry, but that ain't the way it is here.  We have laws and rules that keep
people like you from diminishing th rights of others.  And just as an aside, why
do you think that anyone gives a S**t about what you have to say.  Truly weird
stuff.
9:42 am edt 

Re: Mark Hatch Letter

"And you have NONE because you haven't seen the emails so you have no
idea WHAT is in them."



So what.  Fishing expeditions are not within any kind of reading of the FinCom
authority.  There is no town meeting planned with articles that need to be
examined by the FinCom.  If the FinCom had investigatory authority it could
actually issue a subpoena to all the members of the Cabal to testify.  But, it
has no authority whatsoever to do anything.  It can not ask for info that MIGHT
be of interest at some future town meeting, just like the police cannot enter
your home because they think that you MIGHT do something illegal.in the future. 
You sound as if you would fit right into the Joe McCarthy House Un-american
Activities Committee that suspected everyone of being subversive and undercut
human rights in the pursuit of their political dreams.

Individuals have every right to ask for anything under the FOI Act.  Not so for
the FinCom as a committee.
9:41 am edt 

Re: Mark Hatch Letter

Contrary to the info that someone here is putting forth, FinCom most
definitely does NOT have access to any material related to town financial
matters. According to 5-2-3 of the Town By-laws, quoted on this page, FinCom
shall have access to all records NEEDED FOR THE DISCHARGE OF ITS DUTIES. You
then must consult sections 5-2-1 and 5-2-2 to determine what those duties are.
And theyre pretty simple and straight forward(i) FinCom holds hearings and makes
recommendations on any town warrant articles; and (ii) it reviews town
expenditures for previous years and those proposed for the year ensuing. Note
that language very carefully. It says NOTHING about future expenditures. Only
expenditures for previous years and for the year ensuing. So all these financial
projections, email witchhunts, policy pronouncements, residential exemption and
anything that extends beyond the year ensuing are NOT within the duties of
FinCom. Warrant articles and expenditures for the current and previous yearsTHATS
ALL FINCOM SHOULD BE DOING. Outside of those areas and the routine transfer of
funds between accounts that takes place at the end of the fiscal year, FinCom has
no authority and no function to perform.
9:38 am edt 

Monday, October 6, 2014

Re: Mark Hatch Letter

"There is no information that they might have an impact on any town meeting
articles, financial or not.  There is no statute that gives the FinCom
investigative authority.  NONE."



And you have NONE because you haven't seen the emails so you have no idea WHAT
is in them. What is it with the geniuses on this page recently? And let's bring
it to court and see whether they do or not, because, AGAIN, you DON'T KNOW
because the way I read that, they most certainly DO. Again, you know NOTHING.
Where do you people come from? .       Ugh.
9:13 pm edt 

Waiting for a New Town Manager

"Looking to see if we get a new town manager and soon. That will be good. He
comes with new ideas, fresh perspectives and few links to this town. I find this
refreshing. Looking forward to this new town manager."



Me too, and lets hope he puts an end to all this ridiculous behavior everyone
seems to be putting forward. I hope he weeds out all the bad or the ones with
interior motives. Provincetown needs a good trimming!!
9:11 pm edt 

Outspoken Town Employees

To the poster that says people in town government or boards have the  
right to speak freely, you are so wrong. When you join a board or get voted in,
you work for us. Dont get it twisted. You may encourage us to get involved and
to post things that are town related, but to be voice negative comments are
wrong. Or views as you put it. If you havent been asked, dont offer. Just like
teachers cant have a part time job stripping or hooking, you need to uphold
yourself to a high standard, and by that i mean shut your mouth. What makes you
think anyone gives a shit what you have to say anyway?? And also, to the
ridiculous Beacon site, what a bunch of idiots. Complaining over there about
MYPACC for being anonymous, but they all have fake names.hahahahah. Which
Facebook does not allow. Does anyone report them? We should, that page is just
poison and should not exist. Lets agree on one thing and lets all help get rid
of it. Sorry excuse for humans are what they are. At least!
  this site says its anonymous. And for a reason. With the majority of the
people here that get so much blacklash for voicing a concern, they may as well
just pack up and move. At least MYPACC gives some of us an "outlet"  Lets stop
this childish behavior and grow up people. No wonder why no one wants to come
here and be the town manager or library director because you all are a bunch of
bullies. Seriously folks, as you are constantly asking for help, or "how are we
going to do this" you need to accept all answers, not just want you want to
hear. Be mature. Be classy. People from all over read these "sites" and probably
just shake their heads going, "thank god I dont live there" How are we going to
keep our year round community and the like, if people feel unwelcomed here? And
half of you aren't even from here!!  Neither am I, but you dont see me going
around like I am better than anyone else. Lets learn to live together
harmoniously, I mean, isnt that why we all choose to l!
ive here in Provincetown?
9:07 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

WE NEED AN AWFUL LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING

Housing debt and rent costs pose a big threat
According to the data Harvard researchers put together, homeowners tend to be in
a much better financial position than renters.

The majority of homeowners over 50 have retirement savings with a median value
of $93,000, plus $10,000 in savings. More than three-quarters of renters, on the
other hand, have no retirement and only $1,000 in savings on average.

While renters -- who don't have the benefit of home equity wealth -- face the
biggest challenges, a growing percentage of those 50 and older are carrying
mortgage debt.

Income levels tend to peak for most in their late 40s before declining in the
50s, and then comes retirement. The result? Housing costs consume a growing
percentage of income as those over 50 get older and enter retirement.
9:04 pm edt 

It Must be April 1st!

April fool's Day it must be if Austin Knight and David Bedard may run for
selectmen. Why not add the third monkey, Michele Couture, and then we have the
old see no evil, hear no evil, say not evil trio!

Please, you are making me laugh. this must be a joke or if not, it would be the
worse joke on all of us.

Austin Knight! Recalled selectmen. David Bedard, big time loser at the polls.
Michele Couture,          exceptionale, and old mouthpiece.
9:00 pm edt 

Re: Austin Knight/Dave Bedard

I could NOT support Austin---would love to see Bedard on Finance Cmte but
unfortunately he is a SUCCESSFUL businessman so probably not qualified!
8:58 pm edt 

Re: Mark Hatch Letter

"If they have the probability to impact Town finances then Fincom
should be appraised as per the articles printed."



Maybe you have been busy.  Maybe you choose ignorance.  Maybe you are a FinCom
member. Whatever.  The PT By-laws posted earlier clearly show that the FinCom
has no more legal standing to the release of the emails that any individual. 
There is no reason at all to have the FinCom "appraised".  There is no
information that they might have an impact on any town meeting articles,
financial or not.  There is no statute that gives the FinCom investigative
authority.  NONE.
8:55 pm edt 

Re: Mark Hatch Letter

"Another Einstein! What is it with some of you..."


Obviously, we don't possess the radiating intellectual heat that you do. But
insulting those that question your opinion (and that's all it is, your
interpretation of the law, not God's word) shows what a rude intellectual snob
you are. Of course, you don't have to sign your name, so you can really let it
rip.

Those farther out from the center of the Provincetown Facebook blogs find the
postings and musings of a few self-proclaimed town fathers laughable. One
ponders endlessly about the fate of the town, as if he is the Wizard of Oz and
we are clamoring for his thoughts and solution.

The self-importance of those who believe they caused some sort of revolution in
town government is ridiculous. Aside from the former Police Chief, they set upon
easy targets - petty bureaucrats not informed enough or unwilling to fight the
nastiness.
8:40 am edt 

Russell Braun-

Agree- partial- self serving. good luck truro- I might
add- Egotistical.  Ego- never a good thing. just sayin.
8:37 am edt 

Sunday, October 5, 2014

Re: Austin Knight & David Bedard

"Go ahead, hate me but I miss Austin Knight on the BOS."


Austin Knight can't run, due to his mother's health problems
11:50 pm edt 

Re: Austin Knight & David Bedard

When I saw that post I almost fell of my chair in laughter. I think we can do
better than bringing back that duo.
11:47 pm edt 

Re: Mark Hatch Letter

"Under what theory are you interpreting that to mean that you should have access
to emails between Candace Nagle (not a town employee) and Town officials?"



I can't speak for Mr Hatch, but a plain reading of the request, coupled with the
fact that Town Counsel withheld them from release would seem to indicate that
either:

a) there is conversation in them that pertains to current cases/litigation and,
therefore, may have financial impact on the Town and its budgets

b) there is actionable material in the letters that could cause liability to
town if it were known

c) The contents are just embarrassing and people at Town Hall (past or present)
and they didn't want the emails to get out prior to an exit

If a or b are in play, then it's a mostly a valid reason and a digest of the
emails and the specific reason they are withheld should be provided by Town
Counsel (as by law) which they did NOT do the first time. If they have the
probability to impact Town finances then Fincom should be appraised as per the
articles printed.

If the answer is c, we should know this before the vote on sending the job of
Town Counsel out to bid because, honestly, if it is c, these people have no
business representing the town in the future. And the people who are being
protected should change with the new administration. That's what I think. I
don't know Mr Hatch's opinion, but by what he's posted I think it's probably on
similar lines.
11:45 pm edt 

Re: Mark Hatch Letter

The statute you quote (thanks for that) specifies what records FINCOM
is entitled to- "such records shall include all books in which Town accounts are
kept and all bills and vouchers upon which money has been, or may be, paid from
the town treasury."


Under what theory are you interpreting that to mean that you should have access
to emails between Candace Nagle (not a town employee) and Town officials?  I'm
intrigued by this line of argument, but I just don't see it supported in the
text of the statute.

Thanks
8:34 pm edt 

Re: Mark Hatch Letter

"This is exactly what i thought.  The FinCom, according to parts 1 and 2, state
that the duties relate to town meeting and the budget to be discussed. "



Another Einstein! What is it with some of you, do you know how to read or are
your brains bruised by watching too much Fox News? It does NOT say what you
think it says, it says that Fincom "shall have access" to ANY material related
to town financial matters. The first two have NOTHING TO DO with the next two
items. Holy mother of God, someone goes to the trouble to paste in the text, and
then you just ignore it. What is wrong with you? Seriously. I cannot even
believe what I'm reading here. You must either be cognitively impaired or being
contrary because you're messing with people. Here it is AGAIN:

<b>5-2-3. Access to financial records. The Finance Committee shall have access
to all records needed for the discharge of its duties. Such records shall
include all books in which Town accounts are kept and all bills and vouchers
upon which money has been, or may be, paid from the town treasury.

Upon request from the Finance Committee, every person responsible for the
keeping of town records and accounts shall provide such facts, figures and
records as the Committee may require</b>
7:27 pm edt 

Waiting for a New Town Manager

Looking to see if we get a new town manager and soon. That will be good. He
comes with new ideas, fresh perspectives and few links to this town. I find this
refreshing. Looking forward to this new town manager.
7:01 pm edt 

Austin Knight & David Bedard

Go ahead, hate me but I miss Austin Knight on the BOS. Unlike some he
knew what was going on and moved things along. I heard he and David Bedard may
be running again next spring. Good, they were both great. Maybe they can get
that out of control planning board to calm down a bit.
6:59 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

"Furthermore the writer is correct about the country being, by
definition, a Republic. In fact, a lot of the Founding Fathers termed it as
such. We vote for representatives who vote for us. Therefore, we're a Republic.
Democracies are,
technically, DIRECT vote forms of government like Town Meeting (which I can see
we've strayed from...Hoort's comment about it being "outmoded" and all). Large
populations and land areas make that form of government impractical, hence we're
a Republic."



Yes, indeed we are a republic, however, we are a democracy as well.  Democracies
do not need to have direct voting , but rather can be and are representational. 
One can argue technicalities forever, but the definitions that have been posted
are universal in any place.

The constitution was written during certain times with certain culture,
education, technology etc.  There are lots of things that have evolved over the
years via political and cultural shifts.  Live with it the way it lives.
6:55 pm edt 

Re: Mark Hatch Letter

"5-2-1. Hearings and recommendations on warrant articles. The Board of
Selectmen, immediatelyafter drawing up the warrant for a Town Meeting, shall
refer to the Finance Committee all articles contained therein.


The Finance Committee shall arrange and hold public hearings, so that citizens
interested in any article may be heard. The Finance Committee, after due
consideration, shall report in writing to the Town Meeting on each article that
may affect the town's financial status. In each case, it shall make such
recommendation as it feels best serves the interests of the town.

5-2-2. Review of proposed expenditures. The Finance Committee shall annually
review town expenditures for previous years and those proposed for the year
ensuing. To facilitate such review, all persons having budgetary responsibility
shall submit data for review in such form and in such detail as the Finance
Committee shall prescribe.

The Finance Committee shall provide for each account under review the amount it
recommends be appropriated and shall add thereto such explanation and suggestion
as it deems desirable and appropriate.

5-2-3. Access to financial records. The Finance Committee shall have access to
all records needed for the discharge of its duties. Such records shall include
all books in which Town accounts are kept and all bills and vouchers upon which
money has been, or may be, paid from the town treasury.

Upon request from the Finance Committee, every person responsible for the
keeping of town records and accounts shall provide such facts, figures and
records as the Committee may require"


Thanks.  This is exactly what i thought.  The FinCom, according to parts 1 and
2, state that the duties relate to town meeting and the budget to be discussed. 
There is NOTHING in the law that grants investigatory rights that are
independent of the town meeting process.  So, the "official" demand for info on
behalf of the FinCom has no basis in law.  Of course, anyone can request info as
a private citizen, but to imply that the FinCom has standing any different than
a private individual is just wrong according to the law.
6:51 pm edt 

Re: Dan Brown Emails

"Meanwhile  recent FBI statistics reveal that Provincetown has the 6th highest
per-capita (crimes per number of persons) out of 365 Cities and towns in the
commonwealth."



Hey Einstein pay attention we've discussed this before. The stats are NOT
seasonally adjusted. So, since your probably a Fox News watcher since you wrote
this, these stats take the number of people living in town from the CENSUS, and
divide. That is NOT relevant nor is it indicative of anything. We also have the
most liquor licenses in MA for the same reason. If you're going to post here, at
least be somewhat intelligent or there's a Facebook page called the Beacon you
can post at with the rest of the marginally sentient.
10:05 am edt 

Sunday, October 5, 2014

Dan Brown Emails

Dan Brown wants to write a book about the 100 missing emails he thinks it might
be another Davinci Code.  Meanwhile  recent FBI statistics reveal that
Provincetown has the 6th highest per-capita (crimes per number of persons) out
of 365 Cities and towns in the commonwealth. I think people are wasting their
time on silliness and not paying attention to the real issues like crime and
schools and infrastructure.
12:24 am edt 

Mark Hatch Letter


"I am not as sure as you are that the law is clear. Please cite the law to which
you refer. To what budget do you refer?
Where does any law that relates to the PROVINCETOWN FinCom state that the "The role of Fincom is to ascertain the costs of legal budgeting and exposure to the town." Maybe some FinComs have that role, but I am nor aware of any law that states that that is the role here. I have never heard that the FinCom has any investigatory powers or a license for fishing expeditions."


Provincetown General Bylaws


5‐2.  The Finance Committee. 

5-2-1. Hearings and recommendations on warrant articles. The Board of Selectmen, immediatelyafter drawing up the warrant for a Town Meeting, shall refer to the Finance Committee all articles contained therein.


The Finance Committee shall arrange and hold public hearings, so that citizens interested in any article may be heard. The Finance Committee, after due consideration, shall report in writing to the Town Meeting on each article that may affect the town's financial status. In each case, it shall make such recommendation as it feels best serves the interests of the town.

5-2-2. Review of proposed expenditures. The Finance Committee shall annually review town expenditures for previous years and those proposed for the year ensuing. To facilitate such review, all persons having budgetary responsibility shall submit data for review in such form and in such detail as the Finance Committee shall prescribe.

The Finance Committee shall provide for each account under review the amount it recommends be appropriated and shall add thereto such explanation and suggestion as it deems desirable and appropriate.
 
5-2-3. Access to financial records. The Finance Committee shall have access to all records needed for the discharge of its duties. Such records shall include all books in which Town accounts are kept and all bills and vouchers upon which money has been, or may be, paid from the town treasury.

Upon request from the Finance Committee, every person responsible for the keeping of town records and accounts shall provide such facts, figures and records as the Committee may require
2:42 pm edt 

Re: Mark Hatch Letter

"On Fincom the law is clear: you must release the communication to the
committee for review if it relates in any way to Provincetown finances. The role
of Fincom is to ascertain the costs of legal budgeting and exposure to the town.
This withholding action can also cause immediate litigation for the Town in the
form of direct additional legal expense. Therefore assessing the contents of
these emails as well as the withholding of the same represents, or could
represent, increased and significant legal expense."


I am not as sure as you are that the law is clear.  Please cite the law to which
you refer.  To what budget do you refer?
Where does any law that relates to the PROVINCETOWN FinCom state that the "The
role of Fincom is to ascertain the costs of legal budgeting and exposure to the
town."  Maybe some FinComs have that role, but I am nor aware of any law that
states that that is the role here.  I have never heard that the FinCom has any
investigatory powers or a license for fishing expeditions.
2:10 pm edt 

To the Post About the Beacon Page

"And many others who don't have the courtesy of signing their lies and
exagerations."


Now that's hilarious considering it's posted on this anonymous page.

This page gets stuck on one topic and just goes on, and on, and on, and on, and
on...

Boring.
2:08 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

The post that addresses posts on a fb political groups page concerning
the former chief of police's girlfriend and CN, if it is true, is sad. Move on
ladies.
9:31 am edt 

Friday, October 3, 2014

The 100 Emails!

The 100 emails! Within them lie the secrets of the
universe! Or maybe not.
8:01 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

Dan Hoort has not earned the right to belittle town voters. How about
just doing your job without the commentary on the Beacon, an out-of-town run
blog. People use fake names and don't dare to be themselves. Jack Tracken is Kim
Hurd, the disgraced Police Chief's girlfriend, real mature! Georgie is Candace
Nagle, never very grown-up, and literally driven from Provincetown. And many
others who don't have the courtesy of signing their lies and exagerations. I
think we get it!
7:29 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

"Do you mean that the Supreme Court has no power?  Do you mean that if congress
passes a law that says that gays cannot vote, that the Supreme Court cannot rule
that the law was, in fact, illegal?"


What he means is what he said: there is no provision in the Constitution for
Judicial Review by the Supreme Court. It was established by precedent in a power
grab in Marbury vs Madison, as anyone who went to college knows. It is now
upheld as *tradition*...stare decisis and all. But the power does not exist in
the founding documents. So Scalia can blow that out his arse next time he
mentions strict foundationalism. They never gave the Court this power explicitly
and, frankly, the President could tell the Judicial Branch to bugger off and
there's not a thing they can do. He could be tried in the Senate, but the Senate
could also tell the Court to bugger off and acquit him.

Furthermore the writer is correct about the country being, by definition, a
Republic. In fact, a lot of the Founding Fathers termed it as such. We vote for
representatives who vote for us. Therefore, we're a Republic. Democracies are,
technically, DIRECT vote forms of government like Town Meeting (which I can see
we've strayed from...Hoort's comment about it being "outmoded" and all). Large
populations and land areas make that form of government impractical, hence we're
a Republic.

The only murky part is what the difference is between a State and a
Commonwealth. Massachusetts is NOT a State, it's a Commonwealth as is Virginia
and Pennsylvania. Do you know the other one? Do you know why we are a
Commonwealth and what distinction we were trying to make?
7:27 pm edt 

Re: No Refund!!

To the person complaining about a 3-hour bus ride because the ferry was
cancelled.

My response is this: You must be new. You made it back to Boston. You're
welcome.

5:53 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

"We live in a Republic, not a Democracy at the Federal and
State level and for everything else except this town's form of government. I'll
tell you why...we elect Representatives (Senators, Representatives, etc) who
vote FOR us. We don't directly vote on anything, not even the President I might
add, because the Electoral College determines who wins. We only vote on
Referendum questions and some of them are binding and some not and that goes
from State to State (and we're not a State, we're a Commonwealth). Therefore,
we're a Republic. Again, we don't even elect the President directly. This is the
number one misconception about the US Government.

In Town Meeting, we actually vote on everything. There are no Representatives,
the BOS and other committees bring things to the floor for us to consider.
That's a Democracy because we can, directly, overturn anything we want to they
did. Directly. Again, sorry but that's the truth and the difference.

And while we're at it, no where in the Constitution does it give the Supreme
Court the power to overturn laws. But they do and we all play along. So what
about that?"



What seems to be the problem here.  These definitions were posted earlier and
have not changed.

"Democracy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme
power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected
agents"


"Republic: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens
entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives
responsible to them and governing according to law"

"Democratic republic: A democratic republic is, strictly speaking, a country
that is both a republic and a  democracy. It is one where ultimate authority and
power is derived from the citizens, and the government itself is run through
elected officials."


How about some detailed denial of these and an explanation of how you came up
with what you posted. Please note well that every definition includes something
about elected agents or officials.

Do you mean that the Supreme Court has no power?  Do you mean that if congress
passes a law that says that gays cannot vote, that the Supreme Court cannot rule
that the law was, in fact, illegal?
10:26 am edt 

Re: Town Employees and Social Media

"If you are working for this town my town in any way,
bos, library,teachers, finance committee, school committee, any kind of boards,
then that is all you SHOULD EVER DISCUSS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I cannot wait for
someone to get fired or sued for this ridiculous childish behavior. I deal with
this enough at my summer job and I certainly do not want my tax dollars paying
for someone to "run their mouth" constantly on social media. SHUT UP ALREADY."


Ok, so you don't like what they say, but besides that, what is wrong, legally,
morally or ethically with people expressing themselves on any subject as long as
they are civil and don't discuss legally restricted information. 

Now if your objection is that they are posting on work hours using work equipment,
I agree 100%.  When at work, work.  Use your own equipment to profess your own
opinions.

Now, if you are objecting to seeing their thoughts simply because they are
public employees, then you are wrong.  They have as much right as the next
person.
10:16 am edt 

No Refund!!

I do not think the airlines give refunds for weather related delays.  Just like
any public conveyance boats have problems too.  Read the fine print on the back
side of your ticket.  I'm sorry your ride was late,but life happens.
9:45 am edt 

Town Employees and Social Media

Tax dollars at work/misuse of town equipment

Our tax dollars pay the salaries of our town employees and I for one do not want
to see my tax dollars being spent on employees blogging or texting or face
booking on any site during working hours unless it is strictly job related.
9:42 am edt 

Thursday, October 2, 2014

No Refund!!

What's going on with these ferrys not running. I tried to get a refund
cause I paid for a 90 min ride not almost 3 bus ride. I was told no. Really? Wtf
11:05 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

This recent thread on mypacc just proves that ANYONE working for the
town should not be on social media at all. If you are not writing about work
related things you give up your right to being harassed.  When are u people
going to realize that u are allowing this to just go on and on and on. One site
is no safer than the other. If you are working for this town my town in any way,
bos, library,teachers, finance committee, school committee, any kind of boards,
then that is all you SHOULD EVER DISCUSS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I cannot wait for
someone to get fired or sued for this ridiculous childish behavior. I deal with
this enough at my summer job and I certainly do not want my tax dollars paying
for someone to "run their mouth" constantly on social media. SHUT UP ALREADY.
And please webmaster let's move on from this drivel.
10:41 pm edt 

David Gardner

So will David Gardner Remain when Richard Reinhart Arrives at the
Helm?

Does anyone know what he will do. I did like the editorial cartoon in the
banner. there he goes---out the door and maybe not to return. Hard to say. but I
do wonder what the changes or the shake up will be. surely there will b e a
shake up. I don't [think] this new town manager will suffer fools or fakes or
kiss-my-whatever.
9:45 pm edt 

Good LuckTruro

I must compliment the new Building Commissioner. What a pleasure to
deal with. By Pleasure- I mean EVEN playing field. This man appears to be
committed to fair reasonable and unbiased actions. I am thankful that Russ Braun
is history. So are his biased , unfair business practices. This Town was thrown
a legal sigh of relief when he left. There could have been lawsuit after
lawsuit.  Good luck Truro.
9:41 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

"FED UP.  IF ALL THE ENERGY SUPPORTING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT DAN HORT
WAS CHANELLED TOWARDS CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS ABOUT A BETTER PROVINCETOWN WE WOULD
ALL BE BETTER OFF. ANYONE AGREE????"



Not yet. The case against him is building in my mind. I know Dan just well
enough to acknowledge that he and his partner have worked as hard as most
washashores to earn a living here. But he feels no less tone deaf than his
sponsor, former Town Manager Sharon Lynn.

Ideally substance rules style, but theirs was far from perfect(isn't
everyone's?).

Yet they both seemed to go out of their way to disparage public opinion -- of
the police by Lynn, and separately, Town Meeting by Hoort. So much that, no, I
don't think our energy complaining about Dan would be channeled towards
constructive ideas about a better Provincetown given the crummy things he keeps
saying about taxpayers.
9:38 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

" There were two opinions offered.  One stated that PT was an example of the
only true democracy.  The other gave definitions of democracy.  We in the USA
live in a democratic republic."


Sorry but we don't. We live in a Republic, not a Democracy at the Federal and
State level and for everything else except this town's form of government. I'll
tell you why...we elect Representatives (Senators, Representatives, etc) who
vote FOR us. We don't directly vote on anything, not even the President I might
add, because the Electoral College determines who wins. We only vote on
Referendum questions and some of them are binding and some not and that goes
from State to State (and we're not a State, we're a Commonwealth). Therefore,
we're a Republic. Again, we don't even elect the President directly. This is the
number one misconception about the US Government.

In Town Meeting, we actually vote on everything. There are no Representatives,
the BOS and other committees bring things to the floor for us to consider.
That's a Democracy because we can, directly, overturn anything we want to they
did. Directly. Again, sorry but that's the truth and the difference.

And while we're at it, no where in the Constitution does it give the Supreme
Court the power to overturn laws. But they do and we all play along. So what
about that?
9:35 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

Any Updates on our New Town Manager?

Any contract signed yet? does anyone know? and if he did sign a contract, when
does he start?

It will be good to get this new person in the front office. time for leadership,
surely time for new ideas.
1:56 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

"Oh brother, all you have to do is look at the dictionary to find out
if we're a Republic or not. But thanks for your (wrong) opinions."


There were two opinions offered.  One stated that PT was an example of the only
true democracy.  The other gave definitions of democracy.  We in the USA live in
a democratic republic.  It is a real form of democracy just the same as a town
meeting form of government, but different in that each person does not have a
direct say in government but rather through elected officials.  Representative
town meetings and council-mayor are also democracies.   To which opinion did you
reply.
1:46 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

Oh brother, all you have to do is look at the dictionary to find out if we're a
Republic or not. But thanks for your (wrong) opinions.

Full Definition of REPUBLIC

a (1) :  a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in
modern times is usually a president (2) :  a political unit (as a nation) having
such a form of government
b (1) :  a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens
entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives
responsible to them and governing according to law (2) :  a political unit (as a
nation) having such a form of government
c :  a usually specified republican government of a political unit <the French
Fourth Republic>
12:42 pm edt 

Re: Vince Currier vs Dan Hoort, Finance Director

"You are wrong, the writer is not me...and you need to get a life, or
stop trying to guess which of the hundreds of detractors you have in this town
is writing about you.

You are a real distraction from any serious attempts by this town to move
forward, you continue to bog us down with your comments and opinions, and you
are certainly not working with other members of the Town Hall Staff to make
things better. Instead you continue to write personal attacks and drivel.

I request that as a citizen and voter in this town, and a caring and informed
citizen at that, that you stop demeaning me and others who care about
Provincetown. It never works. And I will sign my messages, even on Mypacc."



Talk about arrogant drivel!!  Who are the "hundreds" and how do you know how any
there are?  Have you a anti-fan club, or is just that a few make so much noise
that they sound like hundreds.

Nice that you know how to compliment yourself and have told us all how caring
and informed that you are.  Personally, you come across as an overblown gas bag
that actually thinks that what you have to say is important and shared by
others.  Get over yourself.
10:12 am edt 

Re: Finance Director, Dan Hoort

FED UP.  IF ALL THE ENERGY SUPPORTING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT DAN HORT
WAS CHANELLED TOWARDS CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS ABOUT A BETTER PROVINCETOWN WE WOULD
ALL BE BETTER OFF. ANYONE AGREE????
10:09 am edt 

Wednesday, October 1, 2014

Re: Dan Hoort - Finance Director

This Man is so arrogant and so full of himself

Of course Sharon hried you. Look at the other losers she hired including Jeff
Jaran, Russell Braun, and this arrogant man.

He is not good for our town. He is trouble and he causes trouble. I can only
hope that our new Town Manger sees him as the problem and the virus that he is.
9:31 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

All I can say is this Hoort guy could not be all that intelligent if
he doesn't get the fact we do not want to hear his "opinions". There is not a
townie that lives here who has not figured this guy out. And thankfully he
helped us by being the biggest town hall mouth!
9:28 pm edt 

Recent Posts

Let's move off the Hoort subject and move on to other topics. What direction are
we going in with new hires? What ling range plans do they have for us taxpayers.
How much more affordable housing and development will we have.
9:24 pm edt 

They Have a Methodology

I think it's fascinating how this group methodically targets one town
employee after another, bombarding with relentless negative posts, most of which
are less than truthful, until people just have had enough and move on.
Lately I'm loving the mentality of those who more or less call 2nd homeowners
carpetbaggers, although remaining more than happy to take money in restaurants,
retail shops and through the hefty property taxes they pay.
Because the town is so unfriendly to newcomers and families with children, the
tax base is largely older, retired or seasonal workers.  Good luck paying for
all the infrastructure with the year-rounders' taxes.
9:23 pm edt 

Re: Vince Currier vs Dan Hoort, Finance Director

Should I be worried, or take out a restraining order or something? If
Mr. Hoort wakes up every morning thinking about me, and says it publicly, should
I be concerned? Doesn't someone at town hall think this is enough, on social
media? What does this have to do with anything legitimate? Was Mr. Hoort trying
to be funny, or does he really wake up thinking of me every morning....argggg!

Dan Hoort
Yesterday at 7:30am
"So this morning I wake up and think, as I do every morning, what can I post
here that will aggravate Vincent so he can take it over to mypacc and rip on me"

Maybe the town finance director should put more time into waking up thinking
about his job, and how to earn the salary the voters pay him.

Just saying.
9:15 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

I can not imagine that the position of the finance director will be
eliminated, so all of you folks need to move on to something else. How about
demanding a change on FINCOM,a new chair person. Maybe we can see if FINCOM is
the problem, if not revisit the financial director position.
9:12 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

"Wow! So who's reading comprehension skills are challenged? The post
did NOT say it was the ONLY form of Democratic government, it said *it is the
only form of government allowed by the State for a town our size*. So who's
ability to think analytically is challenged here???? And, technically speaking,
those other forms of Government, including the Federal Government, are NOT
Democracies. They are Republics. Where did you go to school? Did you sleep
through civics?"


"Democrcy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme
power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected
agents"

"Republic: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens
entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives
responsible to them and governing according to law"

"Democratic republic: A democratic republic is, strictly speaking, a country
that is both a republic and a democracy. It is one where ultimate authority and
power is derived from the citizens, and the government itself is run through
elected officials."


Ok, let's be a little analytical.  First of all, I never said that you said that
town meeting was the only democratic form of government.  I SAID it in response
to what you said.  Read!!!

Here a some appropriate definitions.  Try a search and find your own, but
they'll all come back with the same thing.  As you can read (can you) a
democracy can be through elected oficials ,such as a council and mayor or a
legislature and Governor.  Also, please note the the term "republic" refers to a
nation-state not a local government. Please note too the NYC and Boston are
definitely NOT republics.

So, technically speaking, our federal government and state government ARE TRULY
DEMOCRACIES.  The Federal Government is also a Republic so it qualifies as a
democratic Republic.  SO THERE SMARTY PANTS.  WHERE WERE YOU DURING CIVICS OR
LOGIC?

Your type spends so much time and energy hating that you constantly fail to stop
and read other viewpoints but always look for more ammunition to try to justify
your hate.
9:09 pm edt 

Dan Hoort Et Al

So, Dan Hoort, would the fact that no one has given you any
suggestions to your post about Currier, either on the Beacon or here, that it
might tell you something about how many voters of this town are tired of you,
and your attempt to instigate people to hate? This is all backfiring on you, and
Candace, Robert, The Chief, his girlfriend, Peter Petas, Paul Deruter and your
small band of malcontents?
Maybe you should start packing your bags, and that includes Robert, and go where
you might be appreciated? We are all fed up with your quest to fool the voters
into thinking you care about Provincetown. And Currier didn't write this one
either, you would be simply amazed at how many citizens have figured you out,
it's hard to miss 6'3" of stacked bullshit.
9:00 pm edt 

Vince Currier vs Dan Hoort, Finance Director

I have to say in response to Dan Hoort's post about my comments about
him on this website......

You have an unusual fixation on what I say or feel about you, and now you are
imagining me writing posts about you, lol.

You are wrong, the writer is not me...and you need to get a life, or stop trying
to guess which of the hundreds of detractors you have in this town is writing
about you.

You are a real distraction from any serious attempts by this town to move
forward, you continue to bog us down with your comments and opinions, and you
are certainly not working with other members of the Town Hall Staff to make
things better. Instead you continue to write personal attacks and drivel.

I request that as a citizen and voter in this town, and a caring and informed
citizen at that, that you stop demeaning me and others who care about
Provincetown. It never works. And I will sign my messages, even on Mypacc.

Vince Currier
8:55 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

"This post is so typical of the inability of people to think analytically.  Town
meeting is not the ONLY form of democratic government.  Modicfied (sic) town
meeting, with elected members, is also quite democratic.  Elected town councils and
mayors are also democratic."


Wow! So who's reading comprehension skills are challenged? The post did NOT say
it was the ONLY form of Democratic government, it said *it is the only form of
government allowed by the State for a town our size*. So who's ability to think
analytically is challenged here???? And, technically speaking, those other forms
of Government, including the Federal Government, are NOT Democracies. They are
Republics. Where did you go to school? Did you sleep through civics?
10:27 am edt 

Re: Finance Director

Dan Hoort at it again

He says "So this morning I wake up and think, as I do every morning, what can I
post here that will aggravate Vincent so he can take it over to mypacc and rip
on me. Yesterday it was my comment about not going to town meeting which
apparently I have won an award for as the most ignorant post EVER on social
media. How many of you have award winning posts?
Now I don't mean to brag about being an award winning writer, but this morning
I'm having writer's block and can't think of material for Vincent. If anyone has
ideas I'd welcome them,"


Vincent didn't write the posts. You have many more detractors than you can
imagine. And, btw, your post about town meeting, while ignorant, isn't the worst
thing you've posted, it was the completely wrong stance on OPEB that really wins
the prize closely seconded by your complete obfuscation of the real debt
situation. This post is a close third.

If you really hate the town so much, think the people in it are stupid, and hate
our form of government, then why are you here Dan? Why don't you just resign?
Then you don't have to go to town meeting, or deal with Fincom, or do anything
that bothers you so much any longer and that you post about. Why don't you just
sell the Inn and move? Maybe Chatham is a better place? Maybe back in Boston?
Why do you just post insulting and divisive things online instead of, you know,
actually doing something about your position and the things you dislike? Or are
you just trying to milk the town for whatever you can as some sick sort of
revenge? No one in town would really shed a tear if you left, and no one would
remember your name a year later. Because nothing you dislike is going to change
Dan, nothing. The Charter won't be re-written by the 1% so they can vote or get
on committees and stack them, we have a great outside Town Manager candidate,
the State's not changing our form of gove!
rnment in this lifetime, Fincom members aren't changing, and the Moderator will
most likely not change. The BOS is probably not changing soon either...in other
words you're just making yourself miserable. So go and let the rest of us
concentrate on making the town better and providing for a better future for its
people instead of trying constantly to tear people apart. We're onto you Dan,
and it's just going to get more progressively miserable for you.
9:39 am edt 

Re: Finance Director

"Why would Hoort say this? It's the oldest and most direct form of
government that exists. Democracy in all its raw and unpredictable splendor. Why
is Democracy outmoded?"


This post is so typical of the inability of people to think analytically.  Town
meeting is not the ONLY form of democratic government.  Modicfied town meeting,
with elected members, is also quite democratic.  Elected town councils and
mayors are also democratic.

Let's face it, it anyone that you hate, as you do Hoort, said what he said, you
would go on an uncontrolled rant, as you have.  If a FinCom member said it, you
would raise an eyebrow and say nothing.
9:34 am edt 

Re: Finance Director

"Why would this person say this? Because Hoort's statement WAS a
personal attack on the town, that's why. How DARE he say this to the people of
the town that pay him? It's another symptom of what has been wrong with the
people at town hall.
Somehow, in the last few years, they think it's OK to post insulting things
online and have a general demeanor that they don't SERVE the town but,
somehow,it's the other way around. That's the problem here. That's what we're
getting rid of. How can a town employee insult people and say he wouldn't show
up at town meeting unless he had to? Where is this kind of insolence allowed?
Let's help him by getting rid of him, then he gets his wish and never has to go
to a town meeting ever again. I'm appalled to read that quote and everyone
should be."


This gets some kind of award for the weirdest post ever.  You hate Hoort so much
that your brain went into a fatal stall.   Since when is it an insult to the
town to suggest that there might be a better way to do things.  I'm surprised
that he did not know that we can only use the town meeting form, but that does
not mean that he is evil or insulting. His opinion of the general demeanor at
town meeting is shared by many and has been the subject of a great deal of
reporting and discussion.  Town meeting can be, and frequently is, ponderous and
uncivilized. Too many people talk too much and without regard for any attempt at
civility.  Why do you think that less than 10% of the registered voters bother
to go.  Do you think that 90% of the voters are insulting to the town because
they cannot abide the boorish behavior that too frequently has become the norm. 
Personally I would love to see the town be able to move to a better and more
efficient type of government.  I have a stro!
ng suspicion that you are one of those that makes town meeting so tedious.
9:32 am edt 


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