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  Mark Silva: A Rich Goodby

The church was packed. There was even a long line to enter St. Peter's. There were people sitting along the side pews. All the pews were filled.

We were there to attest to your legacy, to what you gave to this town and to all of us. You brought the energy for the Portuguese Festival and revived it. You brought the energy for the Regatta and revived this wonderful celebration. You gave of yourself, of your time and of your vision.

The town was there to bid you farewell and to thank you for everything that you have done for us. And you did it with humor, joy and a sense of much celebration. You knew how to throw a party and taught the town to do it too!

You were unique and you will be missed. But you would not leave without our thanks and without a party at the Red Inn. We were there with tears and we were there with much laughter and gratefulness for you.

Adieu, Mark! May the angels carry you on holy wings into eternal peace and celebration!

 

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Tuesday, September 30, 2014

Re: Finance Director

"Why not point out to Hoort that the state constitution dictates that we can
only have the town meeting form of government instead of unleashing another
typical personal attack."


Why would this person say this? Because Hoort's statement WAS a personal attack
on the town, that's why. How DARE he say this to the people of the town that pay
him? It's another symptom of what has been wrong with the people at town hall.
Somehow, in the last few years, they think it's OK to post insulting things
online and have a general demeanor that they don't SERVE the town but, somehow,
it's the other way around. That's the problem here. That's what we're getting
rid of. How can a town employee insult people and say he wouldn't show up at
town meeting unless he had to? Where is this kind of insolence allowed? Let's
help him by getting rid of him, then he gets his wish and never has to go to a
town meeting ever again. I'm appalled to read that quote and everyone should be.
9:40 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

"The Director of Municipal Finance has been around for many years. 
Dan Hoort is either the 3rd or 4th person to hold the position in its current
form. The position can actually be traced further back to the 80s when Jon
Richardson was our Town Accountant, he headed up the department that is now
municipal finance.  Further all non union positions must be a part of the
personnel compensation plan, which goes to town meeting.  Sharon Lynn did not
create the position nor did she try and get around anything.  She worked with
the structure that has been in existence for a long time.  The charter does not list every
position in the town nor should it."


Something is very wrong.  How did this post ever get on here.  Imagine, it
states fact.  It is not a personal attack.  It does not mention disputes between
the FinCom and the subject.  Is it possible that we may actually encounter
reasonable discourse?
9:37 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

The Director of Municipal Finance has been around for many years.  Dan
Hoort is either the 3rd or 4th person to hold the position in its current form. 
The position can actually be traced further back to the 80s when Jon Richardson
was our Town Accountant, he headed up the department that is now municipal
finance.  Further all non union positions must be a part of the personnel
compensation plan, which goes to town meeting.  Sharon Lynn did not create the
position nor did she try and get around anything.  She worked with the structure
that has been in existence for a long time.  The charter does not list every
position in the town nor should it.
2:59 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director

"Why would Hoort say this? It's the oldest and most direct form of
government that exists. Democracy in all its raw and unpredictable splendor. Why
is Democracy outmoded? Oh, I get it, it's better if we have a ruling elite, like
the Charter Committee wanted, which is why the lead-up to why it was formed was
exposed and everyone ran like rats.

If Hoort doesn't like our town's citizens, or the form of government, I hope the
new Town Manager will help him find his way out by getting rid of him, that way
he won't have to suffer town meetings any longer. But let me give him a bit of
MA law: town meeting is the ONLY form of government allowed in the state due to
our low population. Mayoral system isn't allowed, nor any other form.
Furthermore he is not a Charter employee, so I'm not really sure why he's even
employed by the town. We could save some money if we got rid of the hacks and
pared back the employment rolls, shedding problems at the same time. Honestly,
this is the political intelligence of this man? To say THIS about his employer?
He needs to go and the sooner the better."



Why not point out to Hoort that the state constitution dictates that we can only
have the town meeting form of government instead of unleashing another typical
personal attack.  Hoort did not say that he didn't like the town meeting form
but that it was outmoded.  And, I believe also that it has its limitations.

There are many employees in PT that ware not 'charter' employees.  SO what. 
There is nothing more to it than the charter saying that we must have certain
positions and describing the job.  It does not mean that if the charter does not
list it, then it is illegal.

Stop with the foolish and petty stuff.
1:39 pm edt 

Sadness at Lincoln Sharpless's Passing
 
One day we celebrate Barbara Rushmore's 90th birthday and all is wonderful by
the sea. Then the next day, we are gathered by the sea but this time to honor a
wonderful person. Lincoln was such a wonderful part of this community. She gave
so much and brought much joy to so many of us.

Thank you, Lincoln, for who you were and remained through all that you went
through. With much admiration and loss, we say goodbye.
11:04 am edt 

Finance Director - Dan Hoort

Hoort is One of the Last of Sharon's Boys

Time is up. she protected your back then--but now is now. time for you to depart
and the town will be much better served. Maybe, like Russell, Truro would
appreciate your talents!
10:59 am edt 

Finance Director

How is the title of Finance Director codified as a legal funded position.
If my memory serves me correctly, the position was non-existent prior to Town
Manager Sharon  Lynn.

Sharon  Lynn created the position to cicircumvent the charted authority of the Town
Treasurer, which make the position de-facto and not de-jury.

This being the case, how is this position allowed to persist, without codefication.   
10:54 am edt 

Re: He Never Ceases to Amaze

"This is the most ignorant statement I have EVER seen publicly posted
by our Finance Director, Dan Hoort on social media (if we can call the social
media).

This is what a town hall employee is saying to the people who participate and
take the time to do their civic duty.

Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that he has run unsupervised
for so long? Do you think it is because he would rather not have people
vote,easier for him to pass his own projects without town oversight? Then he can
report to Candace and McGuire, and the poor stooges that follow him.
Judge for yourself.

Dan Hoort "The more I think about the more I realize that if I was not a town
employee I'm not sure I'd go to town meeting. I know that's probably not the
politically correct thing to say, but it's really an outdated form of town
government".



Your last sentences displays your ignorance and predisposition. If you had any
idea of what goes on outside of our little cocoon, you would know that the
debate over the current value of the town meeting form of government is being
heard all over the state.  There are legitimate arguments to be made for both
viewpoints.  Fotr you to ignorantly dismiss a serious thought about having a
better system shows how little that you understand or are willing to consider. 
getting rid of town meeting does not mean that the people will not have a voice
in government. There are many towns that have elected town meeting members.
There are many that employee the town council form.  I PT like so many other
small towns, attendance at TM is fairly small compared to the number of
registered voters.  This can lead to apathy and government by a small percentage
of residents.  It is always good to debate ideas.  Otherwise nothing ever
improves.  People like you don't understand that others may have ideas that are
well-thought out. 

Hoort is not the enemy.  He may have differences with the FinCom and others, but
he is for a better PT.
10:13 am edt 

Re: He Never Ceases to Amaze


"Dan Hoort "The more I think about the more I realize that if I was not a town
employee I'm not sure I'd go to town meeting. I know that's probably not the
politically correct thing to say, but it's really an outdated form of town
government".


Why would Hoort say this? It's the oldest and most direct form of government
that exists. Democracy in all its raw and unpredictable splendor. Why is
Democracy outmoded? Oh, I get it, it's better if we have a ruling elite, like
the Charter Committee wanted, which is why the lead-up to why it was formed was
exposed and everyone ran like rats.

If Hoort doesn't like our town's citizens, or the form of government, I hope the
new Town Manager will help him find his way out by getting rid of him, that way
he won't have to suffer town meetings any longer. But let me give him a bit of
MA law: town meeting is the ONLY form of government allowed in the state due to
our low population. Mayoral system isn't allowed, nor any other form.
Furthermore he is not a Charter employee, so I'm not really sure why he's even
employed by the town. We could save some money if we got rid of the hacks and
pared back the employment rolls, shedding problems at the same time. Honestly,
this is the political intelligence of this man? To say THIS about his employer?
He needs to go and the sooner the better.
10:08 am edt 

Monday, September 29, 2014

Re: Tools of the Elite

I am not a big Dan Hoort fan or for that matter his boyfriend either,
however he is a part of this community. He owns a guesthouse, volunteers on
boards and obviously lives here year around. Unlike many of the louder voices on
fb that do not live in town at all, maybe used to, maybe visit, maybe had sex
once under the DD, he at least lives here. He has ever right to voice his
opinion about what goes on in this town (not about stuff at town hall) and I
will listen to him because of that, the rest of you out-of-town crazies no.
9:46 pm edt 

Re: Tools of the Elite

"Dan Hoort is one of them, another carpetbagger, who was put into his
position by our FAILED town manager, Sharon Lynn. It is public knowledge that he
hates the Fincom, the Town Moderator and most of the BOS. He continues to
secretly and publicly undermine the work of both the BOS and the Fincom. I hope the voters
see this employee for what he is."


Really, "secretly" ? Then how do you know about it?  Tell us so that we can
prevent another cabal raid.  What work is being undermined?
9:44 pm edt 

Re: Tools of the Elite

"When and how was the position of Finance Director introduced as a
town government position? Is  this position defined in the Charter?"


Good questions?  two possible answers
1) get Clarence to put the Charter in his preamble
2) look it u yourself.
9:41 pm edt 

Sunday, September 28, 2014

He Never Ceases to Amaze

This is the most ignorant statement I have EVER seen publicly posted
by our Finance Director, Dan Hoort on social media (if we can call the       
               social media).
This is what a town hall employee is saying to the people who participate and
take the time to do their civic duty.
Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that he has run unsupervised
for so long? Do you think it is because he would rather not have people vote,
easier for him to pass his own projects without town oversight? Then he can
report to Candace and McGuire, and the poor stooges that follow him.
Judge for yourself.

Dan Hoort "The more I think about the more I realize that if I was not a town
employee I'm not sure I'd go to town meeting. I know that's probably not the
politically correct thing to say, but it's really an outdated form of town
government".


10:55 pm edt 

Fomer Police Chief

If the former police chief, his delusional           or any other
people (like the realtor and the            that made thousands off the sale
of the former chiefs  condo) have forgotten the town meeting where he was
suspended, let me remind you that the meeting packed town hall. There is no
support in this town for Jeff Jaran and most people including myself believe he
or his former girlfriend continue to make these idiotic posts on this blog. Jeff
Jaran was a       and a bully. Goodbye and good riddance.
8:49 pm edt 

Re: Tools of the Elite


When and how was the position of Finance Director introduced as a town government
position? Is  this position defined in the Charter?

6:33 pm edt 

Re: Tools of the Elite

I hope that everyone currently registered to vote in Provincetown sees
through this latest attempt by outside forces to give the vote and control of
Provincetown to people who only see us as their "investment" portfolio.

If a person or family wants to be part of the year-round community, every
resident here welcomes them and makes them feel comfortable However, there are
many who do not want to live here full-time, and want to vote here AND in their
hometowns.

We do not need that. The Community has already been decimated by the greed and
lack of any connection from many of these people who just want to control town
for their personal gains.

Dan Hoort is one of them, another carpetbagger, who was put into his position by
our FAILED town manager, Sharon Lynn. It is public knowledge that he hates the
Fincom, the Town Moderator and most of the BOS. He continues to secretly and
publicly undermine the work of both the BOS and the Fincom. I hope the voters
see this employee for what he is.

Watch for the people who say they support this man and his poor judgement. They
are all of the people who have been fired, quit, resigned or have some other
motivation to see Provincetown fail. FIRE DAN HOORT! (before he resigns).
6:29 pm edt 

Re: It's Coming From Inside Town Hall

It's coming from inside your head.

Now we're supposed to believe that three different people have independently
spoken to you about an investigation including someone inside, but David Gardner
doesn't know it's going on?  C'mon.  You can't fart in town hall without having
it posted on this blog.
6:14 pm edt 

Re: Tools of the Elite

RE: MaryJo vs FinCom Chair

"Folks, what you need to worry about is that there are people in our midst
who..."


Colluded before the process was even set up, as the published emails on here
proved. Secondly, there are people in our midst who immediately resigned once
all of this was published, and the committee disbanded because of the collusion.
Who does the writer think is dumb? Who does the writer thinks can't read? All
you have to do is read the emails obtained by an FOIA request and you have
everything you need to know about why the charter committee was formed, and who
was directing it. Then go and read the sections about second homeowners, the
parts about moving town meeting to be more accommodating to this elite group of
rich people, and about putting them on committees as well as all the discussions
about giving second homeowners votes. The majority of us are not fooled, we can
see a power play by the town one percenters from a mile away, along with the
hypocrisy of them crying about the residential exemption while they're
collecting one where they actually live. Please spare !
us this, we're all much smarter than you give us credit for.
6:12 pm edt 

A Band of Losers

Hoort "doesn't care who the posters are), that explains a lot. He
would rather post his one-sided and careless posts where no intelligent person
who actually cares about Provincetown as a community parks there fake asses.
Thank you, Kristin Hatch, for attempting to make some sense to the losers on the
"Beacon".

"Dan Hoort I actually enjoy this page more than most on-line. We can have some
open conversations, criticize things we don't agree with and discuss real ideas
and thoughts. I don't know who many posters are nor does it matter to me, I care
more about the discussions."
4 hrs · Like · 2


The "likes" are from Paul DeRuyter and Tony Brackett. According to our "Finance
Director", it doesn't matter who has false opinions about the town that pays his
salary, as long as someone, anyone, listens. And to back up his claim, most of
the posters on the site are NOT Provincetown voters, or they are losers who
still haven't admitted that they are in the extreme minority.

These "losers" continue to try to confuse the issues and make it difficult to
move forward, continually throwing more lies, exaggerations and name-calling on
the people who want this town to calm down and move on.

It would behoove each and every person who cares to block out the noise from
these loudmouths to do just that!
6:08 pm edt 

Re: It's Coming From Inside Town Hall

"There is NO investigation going on in town hall - and certainly NOT about a
person who may or may not be posting under a fake profile!!"


Well isn't it interesting that three different people in the last week have
mentioned this to me, one with some knowledge that led me to believe it's true
(the person mentioned specifically how they were tracing posts). This was also
mentioned in the context of a rumored real estate transaction between someone in
town hall and a well-known person in town. So after hearing this, I'm inclined
to believe something is going on. I have no idea whether this is illegal, but it
would certainly be very embarrassing for someone at town hall to be outed as one
of the false personalities on a certain Facebook page. And the Assistant Town
Manager would be the last person to know in the event one of his staff was being
investigated, quite honestly.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
6:04 pm edt 

Re: Tools of the Elite

RE: MaryJo vs FinCom Chair

"We presently have people gathering signatures on our streets for a petition to
be presented to our board for a "charter revision". If successful, it will
eventually give second home owners an equal vote with local first home owners at
all town hall meetings."


"I'm glad you said this. These people are the tools of an elite group of second
homeowners and other general malcontents (I mean, look at the comments of Marco
about the sexual harassment case and the chief if you want an example of what
these people are about). Just say NO to this if you don't want to lose your
rights as residents completely. This move is a joke and so are the people
driving it. Again, just say NO. Don't sign away your rights to this group."

4:01 pm edt


Folks, what you need to worry about is that there are people in our midst who
think you are dumb enough to buy these arguments. I hope you all remember that
voters must approve any changes of this nature to the charter. Provincetown
voters are not going to approve giving voting rights to nonresidents. There is
no boogeyman. Numerous and varied political figures in town support the idea of
a revision, as has been done in the past. Resistance seems to originate with a
couple members of Fincom.  People who lie to us are trying to manipulate the
situation and protect their sphere of influence, rather than have honest
discussion.
5:44 pm edt 

Re: It's Coming From Inside Town Hall

There is NO investigation going on in town hall - and certainly NOT about a
person who may or may not be posting under a fake profile!! Dave Gardner
denied this already. Dave actually laughed at it!!  Whoever posted this is making
a complete ass of themselves including you, Clarence              for posting it. 
If there's any investigation I've heard about regarding writing on someone's else's
behalf it's this blog. 
Everyone knows Jarran hired a private investigator for months as well as using
investigatory services from the FBI academy. Now that's what you call a real and
honest investigation. Clarence, If I were you, thank God I'm not, I'd worry more
about you and your cronies finding legal representation in the next couple of
months. That AND a Public Relations professional, because you all will be in
dire straits.
4:04 pm edt 

Tools of the Elite

RE: MaryJo vs FinCom Chair

"We presently have people gathering signatures on our streets for a petition to
be presented to our board for a "charter revision". If successful, it will
eventually give second home owners an equal vote with local first home owners at
all town hall meetings."



I'm glad you said this. These people are the tools of an elite group of second
homeowners and other general malcontents (I mean, look at the comments of Marco
about the sexual harassment case and the chief if you want an example of what
these people are about). Just say NO to this if you don't want to lose your
rights as residents completely. This move is a joke and so are the people
driving it. Again, just say NO. Don't sign away your rights to this group.
4:01 pm edt 

Affordable Housing For Town Administrators

Why not set aside 3 or 4 units at Province Landing for the town
administrators that are required to live in town? It might not only help them to
afford living in town but also bring some oversight into what at times has
become a misused housing project.
3:58 pm edt 

Re; It's Coming From Inside Town Hall

You forgot to mention the other option, who thinks nothing will happen due to
freedom of speech rights? Regardless of what we think or like that's being
posted, it's all legal to do.
3:57 pm edt 

Don't Cave Dan Hoort!!

There's a really BIG brew-ha-ha on the horizon!!  Hold on! You and all your
supporters will be redeemed in a matter of a couple of months! Jaran's arbitration
begins on the 30th.....you will not be disappointed!! He will SINK some very high
profile people in town! And their legacy will be priceless and worth the wait.  Jaran is
sitting on a reputation-ending bomb .  It's gonna be awesome, and Jaran has invited
the press to follow him .....patience is a virtue, for sure.
3:55 pm edt 

It's Coming From Inside Town Hall

Too bad the investigation into the "town hall fake profile" is a lie.
A bad one at that. There is no such official investigation taking place. You're
making yourself look incredibly foolish.
From an even bigger rat in the basement.
3:52 pm edt 

Saturday, September 27, 2014

Re: Us vs Them

"I summered in my house for 7 years, then moved here full time 3 years
ago. Very different."



Maybe you stay here all winter but many do not. We know "full time residents"
who leave for the winter and end up spending less time here than some
part-timers, who have jobs that keep them in the state, so they often come down
on winter weekends and holidays.  So "us versus them" is often not as clear cut
as you think.
7:57 pm edt 

It's Coming From Inside Town Hall

So I was told that the investigation about who the "personality" is on one of
the more hateful town Facebook pages is close to being completed! I was also
slipped who it was. Pretty amazing stuff! So my question is who does everyone
think it is that's been posting from inside town hall? Do you think they'll
resign before it breaks and a new town manager takes over? Will this person not
believe it's actually happening and be fired?  Or will this fake person just
quietly disappear as a user of Facebook before this all can go down and/or
shortly resign afterwards? Also thanks to the blogmaster for having an anonymous
page to post this on! I think the aim is to clean this up before we change
management, and we should.
7:55 pm edt 

What a Fabulous Day and Happy Birthday Barbara Rushmore

You know how to live and you know how to party!! Looking forward to dancing on
the beach until 2 a.m. this morning.

We are fortunate to have you as part of our community. You have given us so
much: your dedication, your energy, your ideas, your strategy.

Happy Happy Birthday!

Happiness always!
7:50 pm edt 

Re: Us vs Them

RE: "Finally a conversation has started that will hopefully give second
home owners some say in how this town operates."


Thing is, 2nd homeowners aren't here year round, and therefore don't have a
complete perspective. How do I know? I summered in my house for 7 years, then
moved here full time 3 years ago. Very different. I don't doubt Provincetown can
benefit from the 2nd homeowners ideas and their involvement is welcomed, but
understandably limited.
6:00 pm edt 

Us vs Them

This us vs them attitude concerning second home owners is ridiculous.
I live, work,vote and own property here in Provincetown (for many years).
Finally a conversation has started that will hopefully give second home owners
some say in how this town operates. Imagine having town boards filled with new
people instead of the same small group of volunteers that fill these seats.
Maybe a chance to start a new conversation. Less focus on just a limited agenda
but a broader base of ideas. I work my butt off to thrive in this town and for
the few loud voices that continue to have that give me, I deserve, year around
entitled mentality I say enough is enough.
2:59 pm edt 

Re: Social Media Posting

For the record, I was invited to sit on a panel of committee/board
chairs and participate in casual conversation with each of the three candidates.
I was not provided with the link to an anonymous survey where I could share my
impressions with the Board of Selectmen. This was an error because the other
chairs were given this link. I chose to email my written impressions to the
Administrative Assistant with a request that she forward it to the Board of
Selectmen and I signed my name.

While I felt the three candidates were all intelligent and articulate, and that
each of them could bring something good to the job, I felt that Mr. Reinhard was
my choice.

However, this candidate represents change for the town in many areas, and for
that reason I did not feel confident that the town would embrace his ideas.
Again, I liked him and the other candidates very much, but recommended they
conduct a new search.

I have no personal relationship with any of the Selectmen and did not call them.
As for my comments on a Facebook page, I was asked to share my impressions of
the candidates and the discussions that took place. The discussions were held in
a room with doors wide open. Anyone could walk in and listen to the discussions.

I wish the new Town Manager well and look forward to his arrival. He has some
wonderful ideas for our town and I hope we give him a chance to find his way. I
regret not checking for typos before hitting "send."

Tony Brackett
2:55 pm edt 

Friday, September 26, 2014

Social Media Posting -

This man is a      and       ....he called the BOS before the decision
was made imploring them to not hire Reinhard. Then he posts on that disgusting
blog of Richard Rogers.

"Tony Brackett It was the right choice. I was worrieed about how this town would
view a town manager who felt that there needed to be change here. I am for it,
but not all are."

Learn how to spell, Mr Brackett, did you proofread your drivel? School Committee
member? Great example.
11:49 pm edt 

David Bedard

BEDARD makes a fool of himself, again. When will this has been
understand why he wasn't re-elected to office, what did he blame that on? This
is his post on the P/T/W Beacon.


"Dave Bedard
September 23 at 12:01pm
Could someone please explain to me what is going on with the hiring of the new
TM? Tonight there is a social gathering for the public to meet the candidates
and give input. Now I've heard that department heads are being given the
opportunity for individual interviews with the candidates and again, give input.
Is it just me, or does this whole process seem like it's turned into a community
event? I'm all for the democratic process, but didn't we elect people to make
this decision?"
11:43 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

"And to those still complaining about Fincom, keep complaining. No one
is going anywhere and, in fact watching the proceedings of the public interviews, isn't
it telling that the only town committee represented in force at both the public
social and the interviews was...Fincom. Where was everyone else? Where were  YOU
who complains about Fincom?"



Isn't wonderful to be wonderful. Please get over it.  read the bloody charter
and learn to live with it.  If you want to set policy then run for BOS and get
elected.  The FinCom has a role to play.  And the is good, but it does not set
policy.  It is not a watchdog. Glad that you went to the meeting.  But, the
FinCom still is stricly advisory no matter how much you want it to be different.
11:39 pm edt 

MaryJo vs FinCom Chair

         MaryJo, in my estimation, has a good head and over the years has been
an asset to our town. I hope that she continues to maintain the delicate balance
through her appointments. We have some immediate challenges that have to be
addressed. If I may:

          1. We have a new town manager. The first words out of his mouth were
related to developing that " JEWEL" the town parking lot!!!!! Here we go again!
I thought we took care of that at the last selectmen's election. Guess not. The
two newly elected selectmen must agree with our Washington developer since they
will vote him in soon.
           2. Our Director of Town Planning in concert with our new Town Manager
will bring their recommendations to the BOS for action. My guess is that 60 to
80 % of the BOS agenda will come from the Planning Board. One of the
Selectpersons is living with the Director of Planning. This selectperson must
recuse himself/herself from voting on any item that is presented to the BOS for
action. That means that we only have four votes on 60 to80% of each BOS meeting.
How do we get the fifth vote back?
            3. We presently have people gathering signatures on our streets for
a petition to be presented to our board for a "charter revision". If successful,
it will eventually give second home owners an equal vote with local first home
owners at all town hall meetings. Guess what? How do I know this. Easy! They are
telling us, all over town that they deserve to have this POWER because, in their
words, they OWN over 50% of the homes in Provincetown. Let's see, if they OWN
over 50% of the homes,oh wow, that means that they will be able to outvote the
locals on every item that comes up for a vote!!!!!!!

                If anyone out there has anything to add to this list, please do
it. If this is posted, then I hope that someone will pick this up and post it on
other social media so that this information will reach as many other locals as
possible.
11:36 pm edt 

Re: Social Media Tips Every Government Employee Should Know

I love that article that a poster posted about social media and the
government.  Its really good and I hope everyone on here reads it. The writer
makes a lot of good points and it's something that people in any form of town
hall position should consider before posting personal beliefs or something that
is unrelated to their jobs. Good job mypacc for putting it up. Please, everyone
read it. And if you did, what are your thoughts about the article? Agree or
disagree?
11:28 pm edt 

Re: Restaurants vs Dogs

Are you kidding me with the no dog allowed in a restaurant right now??
With way more important things going on right now, you wanna talk about a dog.
Seriously.  Its a dog. No dogs should ever be around food. Who wants to eat next
to someone with a smelly dog next to them. Yes I said it. Its a dog. Not a
person, not a "baby" it's a pet who should stay home when people go to
restaurants to eat, indoors or outdoors the answer will always be NO!
11:27 pm edt 

Remembrance of Things Past

Not to long ago, in my lifetime in Provincetown, you could walk along
Commercial Street and have some open spaces. No houses just before Sal's
Restaurant, nothing where the Banner is located and a few more here and there.
Now we are going to be asked at the next town meeting to set aside funding to
buy Elena Hall's parking lot. What will it become? Please don't say parking
because we need the revenue. I for one would gladly pay more in taxes if it was
to become and always stay a waterfront park. A nice open space to just enjoy. We
bought the VFW, get rid of the building and make it parking. No more massive
affordable housing complexes or over the top police stations.
11:24 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

"I think you don't realize how valuable Dan Hoort is.  Anyone, ANYONE who knows
anything about town staff knows the contribution he makes."



I don't think you can read because, if you could, you'd have seen he was
completely wrong about OPEB last year, and he's completely wrong about our debt
situation now. Furthermore, he's not a charter employee, and he's hired by the
Town Manager. So I think to "start fresh" the new Town Manager should hire his
own people in the positions he can appoint, like Finance Director. I'm sure
there's someone in DC who would love to come up and take over the job in
Provincetown. There's nothing to prevent him from doing it, and anyone serious
about change would start with the past administration's appointments.

And to those still complaining about Fincom, keep complaining. No one is going
anywhere and, in fact watching the proceedings of the public interviews, isn't
it telling that the only town committee represented in force at both the public
social and the interviews was...Fincom. Where was everyone else? Where were YOU
who complains about Fincom? Oh right. Probably living in Truro. Got it.
6:42 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

I find Hoort divisive

And he is still tied to candyland and the past seven dwarfs! I do value his
tone, his approach, his deceptiveness. No talent is worth it if it is
accompanied by these problems and personal sytle.
6:36 pm edt 

Re: Maryjo vs FinCom Chair

Such Ridiculousness

Mike is a wonderful chair of fincom. He has balls, takes action, is thorough and
shows the mark of a leader. with a new town manager we need more of Mike C that
is for sure!

He is doing a great job.
6:26 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

"Municipal employee, a person performing services for or holding an
office, position, employment or membership in a municipal agency, whether by
election, appointment, contract of hire or engagement, whether serving with or
without compensation, on a full, regular, part-time, intermittent, or consultant basis,
but excluding (1) elected members of a town meeting and (2) members of a charter
commission established under Article LXXXIX of the Amendments to the
Constitution."



Ok, now read the law.  Please note that it does not mention reporting to anyone. 
It specifically says compensated or not.  It does not mention "special"
employee.

Remember that we are a nation of laws, not uninformed opinions.  So, all people
as defined above, are municipal employees.  That includes the FinCom, like it or
not.
6:22 pm edt 

Wounded Warriors Bike Ride

THANK YOU !!

Thanks to all who participated in the Wounded Warriors Bike Ride today in
Provincetown.   The outpouring of support was tremendous....  You all deserve a
big round of applause.

All are true heroes !!!!
6:19 pm edt 

Restaurants vs Dogs

A friend tried to bring a dog into an outdoor restaurant but was told
that it is against the rules of the town.  Any comments.  I see dogs in
restaurants all the time.
6:16 pm edt 

Maryjo vs FinCom Chair

Now that it seems the town has a new manager and can begin to move
forward, it would seem prudent for MJA to ask the current chair of FINCOM to
step aside in order to start fresh. MJA is a wonderful woman that for many years
has volunteered on everything and anything, countless hours devoted to this
town. However the current chair of FINCOM is extremely toxic in his approach to
most things and would be better served elsewhere. Please consider the change
MJA.
1:40 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

I think you don't realize how valuable Dan Hoort is.  Anyone, ANYONE
who knows anything about town staff knows the contribution he makes.

You may not like him personally and that's OK, we don't all have to like each
other, but there is no way he is going anywhere unless he makes the decision. 
The new town manager will rely heavily on him just as David did and Sharon
before him.

Let it go.
1:38 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort & Candice Nagle

"Such a Joke! George then Georgie Hutton"


So everyone who read this do the same thing in light of the crackdown on fake
people on Facebook. Report them daily and often as being fake. They'll be
deleted or asked to show their licenses. Did you hear what they're doing to drag
queens? Let them do the same thing to these fake people. Delete them. Just
report them every day to Facebook as being fake.
11:44 am edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

"As previous post included the law that states the definition of municipal
employee."



And you misread that law. Members of committees are NOT "Municipal Employees".
They do NOT report to ANYONE at Town Hall. They are not PAID. They receive no
benefits. Nothing. NOTHING. They don't even have town email accounts. They are
SPECIAL Town Employees. Not the same.

The ONLY thing they cannot do online is meet and/or form a quorum when they talk
or post. They can get the news out for any issue. They can bring up points. They
can post their opinions because they are COMMITTEE MEMBERS. The history of this
and other sites are littered with people like you making complaints and all of
them have come to nothing. Hoort is an employee in the classic sense. He reports
to the Town Manager. I think what you're afraid of is the new one will do the
right thing and set policy on what an employee can do on social media. He
should. And if someone violates it they are terminated. Period. It's how the
real world works. Hoort has no "right" to post. He has to follow his employer's
policies (mine state that, when I post online, I MUST ALWAYS identify myself and
post a disclaimer if I am posting on a subject that involves my company or any
policy of my company before the post.) All anyone has to do is read the record
of Hoort's divisive posts and they'll see what he's up to. Then we'll finally get rid
of yet another problem at town hall since he was idiotic to post the drivel. Sort of
like Marco posting the things he did on the ex-chief and the sexual harassment case
which will follow him around forever and make him radioactive in the future.

Don't think that they're not copied and filed by multiple people.
11:42 am edt 

Thursday, September 25, 2014

Re: Dan Hoort & Candice Nagle

Such a Joke! George then Georgie Hutton

Candyland mania. This woman is a joke. Pretend, lie, then post.

We will all be happier when you finally leave. and now that Michelle J has not
been chosen, you can leave. Because---you have no clout here and your porgie
self will have no access to town hall.
9:16 pm edt 

Re: Ann Maguire & Dan Hoort

"anyone heard the rumor that Dan Hoort, the town finance director,
and Ann McGuire..."



If true, it's news about Hoort.  Maguire known as a flipper.  Hey, got to make a
living somehow, right?
9:13 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

If You Live, Post. If you Work for the Town, Shut Up

You have no right to present insider information or even discuss in the inner
circle issues. You are employed by the town and you have a responsibility to be
discreet.

Failure on all points: Dan Hoort
9:11 pm edt 

Dan Hoort & Candice Nagle

Let's just say that Hoort and Nagle
have been compatriots and co-conspiritors from Day One. they have been involved
in e-mails to Sharon, E-mails to doug johnstone, e-mails to everyone. they have
been a tag team.

Now let them rest in peace. Let the steam release and let their balloons
decrease, deflate and fall to the ground.

Glad that there is a new person to run town and let him run them by. evil is
evil.
9:09 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

This Hoort guy is an enigma, and even if he does have the "right" to
post his anti-townspeople posts on social media, what is said is the point. A
professional, whether it is civilian or town, does not try to create animosity
between the town and it's voters.

If one actually reads Mr. Hoort's posts, one realizes he is trying to influence
townspeople against the fincom decisions because he feels challenged in his job,
and he hates the fincom chair, everyone in town who follows town hall knows
that! And that is just one of the reasons Mr. Hoort should be silenced on social
media, not because he doesn't have the RIGHT, but because he abuses that right
to pit voters against the town.

I think that Mr. Hoort feels the town needs his ideas, because we are all
backwater voters and this is the attitude that makes him universally disliked by
the constituency of town hall. His only supporters are people who want to hurt
the town and are constantly throwing grenades in the middle of everything good
in our town.

The administrator of Mr Hoorts forum (the provincetown/truro/wellfleet
beacon) lives in D.C., and consistently tries to discredit and make anyone in
power in Provincetown look bad, first he is for them and then he maligns them.
He is a sick and perverted person, and Mr. Hoort continues to be a booster and
poster supporting the anti-everything group of losers.

And our town finance director is the star poster on the page. He should be
ashamed of the presence he has on such an anti-Provincetown and everything
having to do with it, social media page. Every member of the page (with very few
exceptions) is a loser or anti Provincetown, why would we trust anyone there, or
allow our finance director, Mr. Hoort, to lead the charge. ????!!!!
7:57 pm edt 

David Gardner

Finally (hopefully), David Gardner can take a well-deserved holiday.
7:48 pm edt 

Ann Maguire & Dan Hoort

Has anyone heard the rumor that Dan Hoort, the town finance director,
and Ann McGuire have partnered to buy two condos in Boston? Check with records,
or with a local realtor if you know one....this one could be good stuff! Bunch
of                                              in        ,         ?
7:46 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

"Dan Hoort is the only town hall employee who posts on social media,
and it isn't just casual opinion, it is in regards to town business."


Because you don't like Hoort does not entitle you to your own facts.  Opinions,
yes.  Not Facts.

As previous post included the law that states the definition of municipal
employee.  Many FinCom members post all over the web.  Members of other boards,
including the BOS, post all over.  This site is, based on all the preliminary
stuff, an outlet for the FinCom.  And that is quite alright.  We may not agree
with all that is posted, but we should not try to prevent it from being posted.

So, you are totally WRONG.  Even if he were the only poster, tell us what is
wrong with posting public information or expalantions of public information,
whether we agree or not.  If he says something with which you disagree, then
confront his post with one of your own.
7:42 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

"Exactly who made you the arbiter of constitutional rights as they apply to
individuals?"


First of all, posting on Facebook is NOT a "Constitutional Right". It is a
privilege and most companies have STRICT regulations about what people may and
may not say on social media, as well as media in general. You can be fired for
violating those policies, and no one has ever found that you can't if those
policies are explicit. So you lose this argument.

Secondly, the First Amendment does NOT say you can say whatever you want,
whenever you want and has NEVER been interpreted that way. When you take a
position at a firm or a public entity, you can refuse the job if you don't like
the policies. If you take it, you are agreeing to abide by those policies, even
if they restrict you from posting while at work, or require you add a disclaimer
to everything you do say. Furthermore recent court cases have sided with
companies, including decisions on who actually owns the account, even when
personal (if you tweet for work and are using your personal account, don't be
surprised to find yourself shut out after your departure, and there's not a
thing you can do about it. It's buried in the 100 page Terms of Service). The
same is true for Facebook.

Everyone forgets that you are bound by the site's rules and Terms of Service
(which you've probably never read) AND whatever policies there are for work. Add
in whatever policies you have to follow as a public employee. These can most
certainly restrict your posts. Furthermore, posting for a work computer can also
be a termination offense depending on the policy. So stop with this First
Amendment crap. It doesn't apply since social media is a private enterprise, and
they've got themselves covered. Also in case you missed it, Facebook is starting
the process of removing fake identities as well. So just stop it with the
Constitutional right crap. Because it is crap.
7:40 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

Guess those folks who feel Dan Hoort should not be on facebook will be
disappointed when the new town manager starts.

Reinhard said that the town needs to "play the game" when it comes to social
media. His own staff in D.C. actively uses Twitter and other platforms to get
their messages out to the public, he said.

"I want people to be smart and committed to the town," Reinhard said. "I don't
want people to be loyal to me. "» I want them to tell me about something even if
that is bad news."
7:37 pm edt 

Social Media Tips Every Government Employee Should Know

 By Jason Kay   July 20, 2012   Comments (10)

All the buzz anymore is about social media this, and social media that. Truth be
told, social media has infiltrated our lives in a big way, and by all accounts,
it looks like its here to stay. Its important to government employees to keep
some social media guidelines in mind, so they dont end up having it cause
problems with fellow employees or with their jobs.

Social Media Defined

Social media includes such things as blogging, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter,
MySpace, and all the other such sites that are popping up around the cyber
world. With over 800 million people alone using Facebook, theres a good chance
that most government employees have signed up there as well. They may even be
using several social media opportunities and creating their own websites, with
all roads pointing to trouble if they are careless with what they do on these
sites.

Many people do not realize the problems that can arise by haphazardly using
social media tools, both on and off the job. Just scan some news headlines, and
each week there are stories about how some employees have done something that
ended up getting them in some hot water and having to answer to the powers that
be. Rather than have to do damage control after the fact, employees should focus
on following smart social media guidelines from the start.

Social Media Guidelines

Many employers, including the government, have well defined social media
guidelines that they want employees to follow. Some even go so far as to have
employees engage in social media training on the job, which gives them an even
more in-depth look at the importance of following the guidelines.

Here are some social media tips that every government employee should follow:
When it comes to the online world, things can be difficult to decipher and
feelings and intent can be misunderstood. Often times, people will write
something online, and because of the absence of body language and voice
inflection, people can easily misunderstand what the person is saying. This can
lead to hard feelings, as well problems between employees.
Social media is not anonymous. Many people mistakenly believe that the Internet
provides anonymity, but thats just not the case. There are ways to track down
the information to find the source from where comments originated.
Its important to always use good judgment when using social media tools. This
goes for whether you are acting as an individual or on behalf of the government.
As such, keep things in mind like any photos posted and comments made. In other
words, you may want to skip the pictures of you partying down on a Saturday
night while wearing a bikini and covering yourself with whipped cream.
Make sure that you read, and understand, your departments social media
guidelines and policies. If you have questions, or if there is something
unclear, ask questions so there are no issues that arise later on from the
uncertainty.
Although freedom of speech exists and some people may feel they can make
comments about their employer, boss, or co-workers, it doesnt mean there wont be
any repercussions. In all likelihood, there will be some problems that arise if
you do engage in writing negative or hurtful things. Even if they cannot
outright let you go for what you said, it could mean you will get passed up for
possible promotions or there may just be bad feelings with co-workers.
Its important to always know copyright laws. Once you know what you can use,
borrow, and need to pay for, always be sure to follow it in order to keep
yourself out of trouble. Copyright laws cover both images used online, as well
as verbiage.
Another issue that many people like employees to keep in mind is that they
should maintain confidentiality about their work and fellow employees. This
means they should not post photos of the people without their permission.
Always take responsibility for what it is that you put online through the use of
social media. If you used poor judgment and put something on there that you
shouldnt have, own up to it and apologize. You should also do what you can to
remove it.
If you are using social media for work purposes, you will most likely have
additional rules you will need to follow. These may include everything from how
your boss prefers things be written, to image usage, and how often they would
like things posted. Be sure to know and follow these protocols. If you feel
there is a problem with one of them, or have an idea for something better, be
sure to discuss it with those in charge.
Always be transparent when you are using social media, especially if you are
doing so for your job. Let people know who you are and where you work. If you
are responding to something outside of work that people may confuse for a work
related position, add a short disclaimer that states your opinion is no
reflection upon or is not associated with your job.


Harnessing the Power

Social media tools have become so popular because they can be fun, entertaining,
and can bridge the gap between people who havent spoken in decades. They can
also be effective tools for businesses, helping them to keep in contact with
their target audience and employees and to promote their business. Those
employees who dont get hung up in the negatives associated with social media
tools and that focus on harnessing the power that it offers, will help
strengthen their position within the government, rather than weaken it.

There is no reason to fear social media completely. Again, it is here to stay.
But just like there were rules for the playground when you went to recess, there
are rules and guidelines that should be followed when engaging in using social
media tools. The sooner that people get on board with following them, the less
they will need to worry about it having a negative impact on their career or
relationships with co-workers.
- See more at: http://www.fedsmith.com/2012/07/20/social-media-tips-every-government-employee/#sthash.YUrFhXsk.dpuf
7:36 pm edt 

Congratulation Board of Selectmen!

You have selected by far the most qualified and experienced candidate for the
job who will help pave Provincetown's future for economic development and year
round affordable housing.

It would have been very easy for you to be politically correct and settled for
complacency and status quo.

Affordable housing experience does not equate to economic development
experience. The last 10 years of affordable housing development has clearly not
brought economic development to Provincetown.

Affordable housing development, in the absence of a companion economic
development strategy, will not produce the result we desire:  a more robust year
round community.

Neither of the two other candidates possessed the vision, the skills or
experience to lead us in this new exciting direction.

With David Gardner's capable day to day management as assistant manager and our
new town manager's vision and skill set, I believe that we have a winning
leadership team which will require the Board of Selectmen's full support.
7:33 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

"Dan Hoort is the only town hall employee who posts on social media,
and it isn't just casual opinion, it is in regards to town business."



So not true. It seems like most people who work at town hall or are on
committees are posting constantly. I am not sure which sites you are on, but
obviously you do not see the posts where selectmen Andrews is posting, or hatch
and Juarez and countless others. it really needs to stop. it only shows how
childish these people are and if you are not posting to promote the town or say
good things about the town or to announce events or to encourage people to
attend meetings and such, you shouldn't be posting at all.
7:31 pm edt 

Use Social Media For Better Purposes

"When people take town jobs do they sign away their first amendment
rights? If not, why are you complaining on a social media site that he uses social media?
He's not posting libelous, illegal or confidential information, is he?
Then get over it."


I think the issue is not about first amendment rights, its about what is
appropriate to be "saying" on social media sites. I have known many people who
have lost their jobs for posting way less controversial comments than the people
do in Ptown.  I know we are a small town and everyone knows everyone, but I am
hoping that our new Town Manager sets up some guide lines about what is
appropriate to be sharing on Facebook, Mypacc, etc. And also to have some
consequences   if there is. Again this has nothing to do with first amendment
rights, it has everything to do with common sense.  There should certainty never
be bad mouthing or arguing on social media sites if you are on any form of
"government" jobs. Whether it be that you are an selectman or just on a
committee, I read things and say to myself, "Wow, I cannot believe these people
are not reprimanded for these comments!"  Lets put an end to this bad behavior
and learn to use social media for better purposes. It would benefit all of us.
7:29 pm edt 

All Knowing

It is very amazing to hear someone, that used to carry Candace Nagle's
books up the town hall stairs to every meeting just a short time ago, urge
people not to be critical of the selection for town manager. This person and his
boyfriend moved here about 4 years ago and have been showing up on every board
and committee in town telling all of us what is the best for this town. Enough
already,                      .
4:33 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

RE: The new town manager, if he is any good, will stop Hoort from
posting


Didnt you read the article in the CC Times?  Here is what our new town manager
said about using social media.
Provincetown politics can get brutal, with Facebook posters and bloggers
offering ongoing critiques of local politicians.

Reinhard said that the town needs to "play the game" when it comes to social
media. His own staff in D.C. actively uses Twitter and other platforms to get
their messages out to the public, he said.


I think you might be mistaken in your beliefs.  Hoort has as much right as
anyone else to post his opinions on social media.  Even more so, I think he has
a responsibility to post factual information designed to inform the public.  He
is not spreading rumors or gossip.  Hes giving information and his opinions. 
Oh, and one other thing.  He signs his name to his posts.

If members of the FinCom spent more time doing their actual jobs instead wasting
so much energy trying to silence critics or have their parking stickers revoked,
the town would be better off.
4:30 pm edt 

Voters at Town Meeting Can Vote Out Job Positions

Voters can vote out positions but it must be placed on the warrant for
Town Meeting. Some titles over the years were changed without a vote! We
remember a woman, We believe it was Ms. White that worked for the Town Manager
and her desk plate said "Executive Assistant". In addition an Assistant to the
Town Manager was created when Michelle Jarusiewitz was hired.Later someone in
the system dropped the word "to" and it became Assistant Town Manager which put
the position in a much higher grade level nd salary! If it wasn't created by
town Meeting vote it may not be valid,and if it is it can be voted out now to
save money. The Acting Town Manager is now doing the job without an Asst. T. Mgr!
4:24 pm edt 

Re: New Town Manager

"The new town manager, if he is any good, will stop Hoort from posting
with challenges and items finding fault with the fincom and it's members, whom
really are also voters, live here and are the watchdogs for the year-round
community, or what is left of it."


"Reinhard said that the town needs to "play the game" when it comes to social
media. His own staff in D.C. actively uses Twitter and other platforms to get
their messages out to the public, he said."



First quote:  poster that wants to limit free speech if it is negative about
FinCom while expressing desire that new TM will agree.

Second quote: Obvious answer, Sorry but no gag orders from new TM.

So, it is OK that the FinCom, who are legally town employees, can find fault
with Hoort, but he can not find fault with them.  Meanwhile, stop with the silly
"watchdog" stuff.  Nowhere in any law or Charter is that a role of the FinCom. 
Interesting that you say that the FinCom serves the "year-round community".  So
my good old neighbor who is not here year round because of her job is just
chopped liver.  Nice inclusive, unifying attitude.
4:18 pm edt 

New Town Manager

Another savior from afar! Now all the agenda folks will have a new
person to spew their propaganda at.  Back to winners and losers, not problem
solvers.  I fear our wonderful, quirky town is lost.
4:14 pm edt 

Cape Cod Times

PROVINCETOWN — Calling him charismatic and "able to light up a room," the Board of Selectmen unanimously chose Richard Reinhard as the new town manager on Wednesday.

They grilled three finalists on ways to diversify the economy and increase the year-round population, then selected Reinhard, 59, whose experience mostly relates to business development.

The selectmen also interviewed Roy Witherow, 59, of Chicago, and Michelle Jarusiewicz, 57, of Truro.

Of the three, Reinhard's experience is the most nontraditional for town government. While the other two have worked in town governments for at least 20 years, Reinhard's 30-year career centers around developing business districts in quasi-public private partnerships with municipal governments and nonprofit groups.

"My whole professional life I've been about improving cities, towns and neighborhoods," said Reinhard, who offered at one point during the three-hour interview process that he is 6-foot-5 and weighs 300 pounds.

He has held his current position, as deputy executive director of the Washington D.C. Business Improvement District, for the past seven years. Previously, he was managing director for urban development and infrastructure finance at the Urban Land Institute. He served as CEO of the Niagara Falls Redevelopment Corp. and was an executive director of a business improvement district in Buffalo, New York. He also worked as the chief of staff for the mayor of Buffalo.

The board members selected Jarusiewicz as runner-up, due to her 30 years of experience working for the town as assistant town manager, acting town manager, grant writer and, currently, as the housing specialist. More than one selectman called her an exemplary town employee.

But, Selectman Raphael Richter said, Reinhard had a spark.

"Mr. Reinhard struck me as very personable and many of his answers got me excited," Richter said.

Provincetown is struggling with a lack of jobs other than seasonal service work and a hot real estate market that makes housing out of reach for working, year-round residents.

Of the three finalists, only Reinhard had specific answers on how to stimulate the economy beyond seasonal tourism.

He said there needs to be a "real concentration on attracting public/private partnerships."

The town needs to attract "eds and meds" — educational institutions, such as satellite campuses and artist retreats, as well as medically related professions.

He also mentioned that the municipal parking lot downtown along the waterfront is not the best use of a prime piece of real estate.

"I know that everyone wants parking," Reinhard said. "But that ought to be a jewel."

"A city or town that doesn't control its real estate isn't really going to move ahead," added Reinhard. "You need to know what you own, what will come on the market and really, really work on that."

Provincetown has suffered a leadership crisis after the police chief was fired in December, and the town manager resigned amid a scandal about the police chief's alleged interference in a town election.

One of Jarusiewicz's comments was that both employees and residents trust her. And that's exactly what's needed right now, she said.

Provincetown politics can get brutal, with Facebook posters and bloggers offering ongoing critiques of local politicians.

Reinhard said that the town needs to "play the game" when it comes to social media. His own staff in D.C. actively uses Twitter and other platforms to get their messages out to the public, he said.

"I want people to be smart and committed to the town," Reinhard said. "I don't want people to be loyal to me. "» I want them to tell me about something even if that is bad news."

Selectman Cheryl Andrews said Reinhard "exudes charisma."

"He knows how to give an interview. I thought I was back in college. "» He taught us new things. What scares me is, he's never been a town manager."

Selectman Erik Yingling agreed that there is risk in hiring Reinhard, but a worthwhile risk.

"He's a fresh set of eyes and he's interfaced with government," Yingling said. "He has the personality that can light a room up, that's what struck me."

After their vote Wednesday, selectmen entered into a private session to discuss the salary and contract they will offer Reinhard.


Follow K.C. Myers on Twitter: @kcmyerscct.

8:39 am edt 

Wednesday, September 24, 2014

Re: Dan Hoort

Dan Hoort is the only town hall employee who posts on social media,
and it isn't just casual opinion, it is in regards to town business.

That is not cool, and he may be doing an adequate job in the financial
department, but he is spreading rumors and divulging town hall business to the
boys on that out of town blog, The Provincetown/truro/wellfleet Beacon, which
has no members from wellfleet and candace nagle from truro, lol.

The new town manager, if he is any good, will stop Hoort from posting with
challenges and items finding fault with the fincom and it's members, whom really
are also voters, live here and are the watchdogs for the year-round community,
or what is left of it.

I agree with the other writers that beg Hoort to stop posting his bullcrap, it
does not help internal works of town hall. In fact anything he backs will
automatically become moot, because the man is such a joke.

We can do better, and will prove that soon.                                                        
9:09 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

"A town employee should not be on social media discussing town
policies. If a town employee wants to be on fb then talk about the many other
events that occur in town. Imagine if a house boy got on social media and
started complaining or explaining all of the inner workings of a guest house.
Goodbye house boy. Enough with the first amendment rights. Teachers,
secretaries, financial directors
please stop second guessing everything that
happens in town hall."


Exactly who made you the arbiter of constitutional rights as they apply to
individuals?  Town employees have every right to answer questions and help the
public better understand policy. But, if you are correct then all the members of
the FinCom and any other board in town should not be posting.  This is the
definition of "municipal employyee" as stated in LAW not opinion.

Municipal employee, a person performing services for or holding an office,
position, employment or membership in a municipal agency, whether by election,
appointment, contract of hire or engagement, whether serving with or without
compensation, on a full, regular, part-time, intermittent, or consultant basis,
but excluding (1) elected members of a town meeting and (2) members of a charter
commission established under Article LXXXIX of the Amendments to the
Constitution."

Note the part that says" with or without compensation".  So, be very careful of
what you wish for.

To address your totally illogical comparison about the "houseboy": The houseboy
would be discussing private business.  The municipal employee would be
discussing the public's business.  Get it?  Private vs public.
9:06 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

What about the BOS and FinCom all over social media talking about
policy?

Please explain clearly if you can why that's ok, but Dan posting isn't.  Thanks
9:03 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort

A town employee should not be on social media discussing town
policies. If a town employee wants to be on fb then talk about the many other
events that occur in town. Imagine if a house boy got on social media and
started complaining or explaining all of the inner workings of a guest house.
Goodbye house boy. Enough with the first amendment rights. Teachers,
secretaries, financial directors please stop second guessing everything that
happens in town hall.
12:09 pm edt 

Re; Meet and Greet the Candidates

"Who were we meeting and greeting/ Two of the three are losers so why
are we there asking questions, being nice, and eating cheese and crackers. No
one there asked any of us what we thought. so, again, why were we there? for
window dressing?"



Typically, so negative.  Did you meet the candidates?  Why did you say theat
they are losers?  Anything specific?  Did you expect to be part of the selection
process?  That was done by the consultant and search committee and will be
finished by the BOS.  Nowhere in the protocol does it state that you will be
consulted so who should have asked you what you thought?  Of course, you are
free to speak your mind to the BOS, but given your attitude here, I'm not so
sure that they would consider you to be a constructive contributor.  Were you
including yourself in the number of the losers?
9:46 am edt 

Re Dan Hoort

When people take town jobs do they sign away their first amendment rights? If
not, why are you complaining on a social media site that he uses social media? 
He's not posting libelous, illegal or confidential information, is he?
Then get over it.
9:44 am edt 

Provincetown Public Library

The same person repeatedly posts comments denigrating the library,
using words like 'fiasco' freely. The last post referenced the library board
decision to hire a candidate.

FYI, the library board doesn't have the authority to hire. They can only
recpmmend to the TM. We don't know whether TM agreed with that and offered the
position. Either way it is not a fiasco, as I said last week in a comment that
was not posted.

It's important that this blog present more than one side of an issue and not be
so anti-town that it is destructive.
9:43 am edt 

Jeff Jaran Contract

". ..If  the arbitration committee does not reverse the Board of
Selectman's decision he can bring the case to a committee of arbitrators in  Boston or to
Orleans District Court or Barnstable Superior Court."


Can you please cite the language in his contract that states this?  I always
believe in providing the primary source - rather than a secondary source
/interpretation when trying to understand these complex legal matters,
especially because the information provided here isn't clear - and maybe seeing
the original - actual -contract language might help.

Thanks!
9:27 am edt 

Jeff Jaran Contract - Request For Information

Clarence, can you post the Old Chiefs contract for all to read? I for
one would love to see it to determine what the  town lawyers did to us. I'm not
sure how else I could get it but many of us would like to read it.
9:24 am edt 

Grammar and Spelling

"Let the ideas and opinions flow. That is what is important, not a
snide old schoolmaster with grammatical admonitions!"



I'm 26 and if you don't know the difference between Then And Than, THEN I
suggest you rethink everything you write here because your ignorance is so
egreegious that its void is wholly telling. All I'm suggesting is that people
THINK before they write. Very simple. Is that a huge problem? If we are to
communicate then we should do it properly. That is all. Do not be a simpleton
while in drag as Einstein as you tap, tap, tap away on your laptop...
9:21 am edt 

Three Bites of the Apple?

It was just explained to me that the town lawyers approved the old
chiefs contract and from what I learned, we're screwed. I also learned from a
past selectmen that we as a town over reached with the BOS involvement with the
firing hearing of Jarran. I look at this whole situation as just poor management
by town hall that will cost us all a ton.

I heard that someone asked at a BOS meeting how much we spent on this whole
fiasco and our bos members had no clue!

Can someone please tell us how much we've spent on this?
9:17 am edt 

Tuesday, September 23, 2014

Town Manager Candidates

What an Odd Meet and Greet

Who were we meeting and greeting/ Two of the three are losers so why are we
there asking questions, being nice, and eating cheese and crackers. No one there
asked any of us what we thought. so, again, why were we there? for window
dressing?

Why do I feel that it is a done deal. that the BOS already know the vote and the
candidate. that is what I feel and I don't feel good about this.
9:44 pm edt 

Re: Police Hiring

Administrative Assistant Paige Perry is NOT a union member! She
doesn't wear a uniform and is a salaried employee! I looked it up and asked an
officer if she has any other job responsibilities that require a uniform and [they]
said NO! This police officer said [they] think it's because she can act as a matron
if dealing with female inmates but that she hasn't  ever to their knowledge! I
asked what is a matron uniform and [they] said a t-shirt!???Geez, in five minutes,
I just found a way to save $2,000 plus dollars out of the budget. Wake up
Selectmen Anthony and do the job you claim you would do. I voted for you so I
expect some follow up. This is a perfect example of padding someone's pocket on
the taxpayers dime. Outrageous.
9:40 pm edt 

Re: Police Hiring

Annual Town Meeting authorized the salaries of our town employees. Therefore,
there is no need for approval to hire replacements -- police or otherwise.
That's status quo. It's how government functions.

What may be problematic (key words: may be) is the expense to fund training
replacements in the PD. If police academy expenses are not in the police budget,
or other funding sources do not exist within that budget, a request for
additional funding must be made. That's the law.

Simple. Until terminology gets thrown into the mix. Calling a new hire a
something other than what they are, without ATM approval, is problematic. But
that's another issue.

Long Island Iced Tea won't solve this problem. A look at the facts reveals the
source of the problem. Fix it. Move on.

Next?

9:35 pm edt 

Grammar and Spelling

For the longest time I was convinced that everyone that posted on this site had
no higher than a fourth-grade education, due to the incredible amount of grammar
mistakes and misspellings.  Then I submitted a post myself and saw that several
words were misspelled and realized that Clarence must be using a software like
Dragon.
Hey Clarence, try "copy and paste" and save yourself a boat-load of time!!


Webmaster Comment:
Your spelling mistakes are yours. Only copy and paste are used.
9:33 pm edt 

Re: Police Hiring

"The Town will have to offset in a differant offer in the contract"


No we dont. We can negotiate it out of the contract. Have you ever heard of
saying "NO"?

Your explanation of the stipend showes that it is an archaic payment and it
should be eliminated.

A Rat In The Basement
9:27 pm edt 

My Perspective

A few years ago the town manager and police chief helped to create a
toxic environment in this town but they are gone now. Like many others I got
involved and helped to remove them from their jobs.  Now I choose to let the BOS
and town administrators try to do the best job they possibly can given the
circumstances. It is very unfortunate that there are still some , many that do
not even live or own property in this town, that continue to stir the pot.
Please Dan Hoort and town employees as a whole stay off fb. To those that live
and vote in town go to the special fall town meeting. Vote to remove the town
moderator if FINCOM is a problem for you. Just please let this amazingly
beautiful and unique town heal.
9:23 pm edt 

Why Hire Anyone right Now?

Why hire more police. the advisor who stated we needed 19 police officers is the
problematic person who led the warped search for town manager. why believe he
was right? an now, promotions and new hirings with the police. Just do nothing.

You have done a great job this summer. so do nothing!
4:24 pm edt 

Re: Straights vs Straits

So What if Someone Spells a Word Wrong


What is this? The elites of understanding? The superior scholars? I don't think
so.

Let it go. let people write as they write. Right!

Next we'll get a lecture of when to use then and than.

Let the ideas and opinions flow. That is what is important, not a snide old
schoolmaster with grammatical admonitions!
2:16 pm edt 

Re: Police Hiring

People interested in going to the police academy on their own dime have to
ability to go if a police department is willing to sponsor the individual.
Police chiefs don't do that all too often. That also doesn't mean the individual
will be appointed to any police department, regardless of who sponsors him. If
the town is going to pay for potential new officers to go to the academy then
the officers should be required to stay for a period of time to offset the
costs, in others words let the town get their moneys worth. Truro does it,
requiring in the contract, that if an officers training is paid by the town, the
new officer needs to stay for 5 years (?) and if they leave prior to the 5 they
pay the town back. Total cost divided by 5 x how many years you leave prior to 5
years. Leave the town 2 years after you've been put through school, you owe the
town 60% of the costs.

And as far as the uniform stipends, it's associated with the fact that the
uniforms used to be made of wool so they needed to be dry cleaned. Once they
went to perm. press, throw them in the laundry. The stipend is there because if
it's taken away, the town will have to offset in a different offer in the
contract.
2:14 pm edt 

Barbara Rushmore Birthday!

Vincent Currier
September 21 at 3:34pm · Edited

One of our town icons, Barbara Rushmore, will be 90 years young on the 27th of
this month, (September) and I would love to surprise her with birthday cards
from all 1112 members of the Voice.
Barbara has given hundreds and thousands of hours of volunteerism on the
Beautification Committee, but even more importantly she is a tireless worker and
volunteer in and on town government committees.

I don't have to spend a lot of time saying who Barbara Rushmore is, and I for
one appreciate all she has done for the Provincetown community and government.
I add to this, Barbara loves to receive mail, let's fill her box for a few days!
That would be an amazing gift from an appreciative community.
Please join me and others in the community in wishing Barb a Happy 90th!

Her mailing address is:
Barbara Rushmore
605 Commercial Street
Provincetown Ma., 02657

Thanks for doing this. Barbara deserves our thanks for many years of making
Provincetown the exciting and progressive community it is....

Vince
2:12 pm edt 

Straights vs Straits

"There are some who would belive that our town is in dire straights"



I'm starting to believe that the "straights" are indeed dire... and of need of
an education, some manners and spell check to start. I think the estemed writer
of the selection above wanted to write "straits." If one remembers, the Banner
made the same faux pas two years or so ago.  No biggie. It was just the
headline.
10:50 am edt 

Re: Police Department

"Please BOS, put that on the agenda! Better yet, let the FinCom do it
as they are the only ones willing to ask the tough questions".


Firstly, the FinCom has no authority to ask a single question, tough or not,
unless it involves a warrant article at a town meeting.  Secondly, why is this a
"tough" question?  Seems pretty simple to simply say,  "why".

Uniform allowances are usually part of a union contract.  Is she in the union?
10:05 am edt 

Re: Police Hiring

I agree with the previous poster(s) regarding the police department in
this town getting a realistic grip on its budget. Where is Selectman Anthony on
this??? Bobby Anthony of all people should know where the waste is in that
department! Where are any of our town leaders on this?  Hello, FinCom?   Tell
this          Chief to put some work in trimming his budget !).               

Why on Earth are we paying for new hires to go through the academy when the town
is DESPERATE to save money wherever possible??  Please, someone answer that.

Chief Golden - do your damn job for this town and find two new officers ready to
go!!  And do we really need TWO more new police officers? And why is the Chief's
secretary receiving a clothing allowance?!! Look at all their new vehicles. 
Three to my knowledge in the last year!! WAKE UP!
9:57 am edt 

Re: Police Department

Again and again and again and again ......

The clothing allowance/stipend is provided through the contracts for the police.
Those are agreed to by the selectmen in the end. Yes, the TM and the police
chief negotiate the terms and agreements but the final say and acceptance is
done by the selectmen. Know the process and it's easier to follow the money.
9:52 am edt 

Re: FinCom Meeting - Three Bites of the Apple?

At the September 22 FinCom meeting I referred to the Police Chief's Contract
as giving Chief Jaran "three bites of  the apple" to appeal his firing.

According to his contract:

1. He can be legally represented at a hearing with the Board of Selectmen to
    determine his termination.

2. He can appeal the decision to a committee of arbitrators consisting of a  
   person chosen by him, a person chosen by the town, and a person chosen by   
   both of them.
 
3. If  the arbitration committee does not reverse the Board of Selectman's  
   decision he can bring the case to a committee of arbitrators in  Boston or to  
   Orleans District Court or Barnstable Superior Court.

If he is successfull, he is entitled to back pay, benefits and counsel fees, thus the term three  bites of the apple.

I trust this answers your question.

Thank you,

Clarence  L. Walker, Jr.
9:31 am edt 

Tuesday, September 23, 2014

FinCom Meeting - Three Bites of the Apple?

Clarence, can you please explain what you meant today when you asked
why the old police chief has 3  bites at the apple. I'm sorry for my ignorance
but I just don't understand what this means. Thank you.
12:21 am edt 

Re: Police Department

The Chiefs secretary gets a uniform allowance???? Please, some one
explain this to me if this true. Thank you Selectmen Anthony for saying dept
heads (police chief) need to tighten their belt.....(Maybe belt is the wrong
example in this case). How the hell does a secretary warrant a $2,000 plus
dollar clothing allowance!? This is blatant disregard and a slap in the face for
us taxpayers. Miss       should pay us back for all the         money she has
knowingly taken on  the backs of us taxpayers. Please BOS, put that on the
agenda! Better yet, let the FinCom do it as they are the only ones willing to
ask the tough questions
12:14 am edt 

Re: East End Property

"I live in the east end of town not too far from the property that put in what
was supposed to be an artists studio."



Report it at town hall. Artist's studios are supposed to have no overnight
guests by zoning requirements. So if they're renting it out, they're breaking
the law (besides not paying taxes on the rental like guest houses have to do).
So go in and report the zoning violation, and make sure you take pictures with
your phone.
9:10 am edt 

Re: Realistic Discussion About Provincetown's Finances

"Point 1 Canizales states the only reason the OPEB liability went down
was a change in methodology.  Hoort was correct in saying it went down because
of state mandated changes requiring retirees over 65 to enroll in Medicare."



Take it one point at a time.  Who was correct on this point?  Why did it drop so
significantly from one report to the next?

Reminder of MC comment:
  .  . Ignore Dan's comment about it going lower..that only happened because
they changed the measurement system.  .  .
9:06 am edt 

Dan Hoort

Isn't It Time that Dan Hoort Just did His Job

and stopped shouting out his mouth? Isn't it time he does his job and that is
it. As to who is in charge, let David Gardner did with the financial issues and
the community issues.

It's time for Hoort to be a Trappist monk.
9:03 am edt 

Monday, September 22, 2014

East End Property

I live in the east end of town not too far from the property that put in what
was supposed to be an artists studio. Does anyone from town government check to
see if these so called artists studios are actually that.  The one in my area of
town seems to be more than that. This summer there were always beach towels
hanging from the deck railings.
12:19 am edt 

Police Department

The officers are not the only ones that get a clothing allowance so does the
chiefs secretary and she doesn't even wear a uniform. why are our tax dollars
paying for ordinary clothing if this position does not warrant having to wear a
unoform
12:15 am edt 

Re: Realistic Discussion About Provincetown's Finances

The last column shows the growth in the SEGAL REPORT of OPEB from $2
to $11M.
9:36 pm edt 

Re: Realistic Discussion About Provincetown's Finances


"I discussed this with someone who knows and Hoort wasn't wrong about OPEB, it's
Canizales distorting the facts."

Did you actually read the report someone posted below? Did you watch the
beginning of the last Fincom meeting where the debt was discussed? Did you go
and look at the town budgets and the spreadsheets that were posted last year?
No, I didn't think so because "you asked someone". Great. That the level of
intelligence when we're dealing with town finances we have here. Do us a favor
and move to Truro.
9:34 pm edt 

Re: Realistic Discussion About Provincetown's Finances

From: Peter Petas [mailto:pjpetas@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:09 PM
To: Mike Canizales
Subject: i am going to post this on the voice


Reading the Segal report:
The Segal Report contains a ton of information.  In terms of our OPEB liability
as of July 1, 2012, it gives us two ways of thinking about it.
(1)    On a Funded basis.  On a funded basis, our current accumulated OPEB
liability is $19.9 million.  What does this mean?  If we put $19.9 million in
the bank AND it earned interest of 7.75% interest over the next 30 years AND we
continued to meet our annual OPEB obligations, our plan would be fully funded. 
Youll notice, thats a lot of ANDs, but you can pretty much stop before the first
one since we are not going to put $20 million in the bank.  By the way, 7.75% is
a very high assumed rate of return as well.  Most large state pension funds are
closer to 7% now.  Berkshire Hathaway (of Warren Buffet fame) is down in the
5-6% range.
(2)   Pay as you go.  This is our current mode of operating.  It is basically
tossing in only the amount to meet the current years obligation (effectively
ignoring the accumulated liability which continues to grow every year).  The
amount per Segal is $28.9 million.  What does this mean?  That means that if you
look at all of our accrued liabilities and our expected OPEB annual expenses
over the next 30 years and discount them at 4.5%, our unfunded liability is
$28.9 million if we pay as we go.
Number (1) is how Dan Hoort is looking at it, while number (2) is how FinCom
views it.

So I asked a good friend who is widely regarded in the debt markets as an expert
on Pension and OPEB accounting to look at the Segal report.  Harvard grad,
passed all parts of the CPA exam on the first try (nobody does that) and worked
as an auditor for a big 8 accounting firm for years.  I asked him how he would
view it.  He said Well, your Finance Director isnt wrong per se, but unless $20
million is magically going to appear, I would view your liability as $28.9
million.
And if you dont believe my friend, maybe youll believe Standard and Poors, who
rate Provincetowns debt.  From a recent report included in the last FinCom
Booklet:  As of July 1, 2011, Provincetown's other post employment benefits'
unfunded actuarial accrued liability was $63.4 million with a 5% discount rate.
The town has set up a trust fund, but has put only $55,000 into it. It recently
made retiree health care changes that management estimates will lower the
unfunded liability by about 30%.  Clearly S&P is using the unfunded obligation a
well, which subsequently went down (see below).  They dont cite a funded level
because we dont fund it.
Why did our unfunded liability decrease from 2010 to 2012? Because Massachusetts
changed the law so that retirees over 65 are required to go onto Medicare.  That
was a huge difference.
Separately, you should remember that OPEB liabilities are actuarially
determined. Actuarial accounting is a nightmare.  The accountants must estimate
(1) investment return, (2) mortality rates, (3) retirement rates, (4) turnover
rates in addition to cost trends in medical, dental and drug costs as well as an
overall inflation rate.  Actuaries almost always get it wrong (how could they
not!) so assumptions will all need to be revisited over time.  Some will work in
our favor, some wont.
What does FinCom want?  FinCom would like the town to pay an amount that will
cover current costs and also add additional money that will pay down our
Accumulated OPEB liability over 30 years.  This is called the Annual Required
Contribution, or ARC on the Segal report.  This amount for Fiscal 2013 was about
$2.0 million compared to our actual contribution of $1.3 million.  (I believe
the reason FinComs number is $800,000 is because they are estimating it for the
current fiscal year, not for last year.)
The deal on the table seems to be for a down payment on this of $450,000 this
year (out of free cash) in exchange for a commitment to budget to the full ARC
level in later years.  I support this 100%.
9:32 pm edt 

Re: Realistic Discussion About Provincetown's Finances

Nice Try Dan but Peter Petas (no fan of Canizales) published a clear
refutation of your lies on OPEB.  This was reviewed in detail in Fincom meetings
and on social media.  We can repost it if you truly want to be humiliated again
or you can crawl away now. Please have some pride.
9:21 pm edt 

Re: Realistic Discussion About Provincetown's Finances

I discussed this with someone who knows and Hoort wasn't wrong about
OPEB, it's Canizales distorting the facts.

Point 1 Canizales states the only reason the OPEB liability went down was a
change in methodology.  Hoort was correct in saying it went down because of
state mandated changes requiring retirees over 65 to enroll in Medicare.

Point 2 Canizales stated the OPEB liability grew by $9m during Lynn's tenure. 
He was wrong.  The increase in the net outstanding obligation is set by the
company that does the study and slowly increases each year.  The OPEB liability
was in the $60M or $70M range early in Lynn's tenure.  Under the pay as you go
calculation it was $28M when Lynn left.  Is simple math too difficult for MC?
6:56 pm edt 

Re: Police Hiring

My question has always been, why does any municipality pay for its new
hires to go to the Police academy?  If they want to be cops shouldnt they pay
for their own education? What other occupation has the employer pay for the
training? Cops are over rated and I say lets stop giveing them everthing on a
silver platter.

And while Im at it, why do we give them over $2000 a year for uniforms? Again,
they want to be cops snd they go in knowing that they will have to wear a
uniform, let them pay for it. And the same goes for their bullet proff vests.

Why we ever put these people on such a pedestal is beyond me.

The American people have been tightening our belts since forever, and so should
they.

And dont give me any crap about them putting their lives on the line. Thats true
but they choose to do that.

Let those kids go out and earn their education on there own dime, then maybe
I'll belive they really care about this town.

A Rat In The Basement
6:48 pm edt 

Re: Realistic Discussion About Provincetown's Finances

I reproduce, below for everyone, the Standard and Poor's report on
Provincetown's debt condition. Read this and ask yourself who you would listen
to...our Bond Rating Agency or Dan Hoort? Ask yourself another question...why
would the Finance Director NOT publish this in addition to his remarks? Does he
have an agenda of his own? He was WRONG about OPEB last year, why is he still
misrepresenting the stituation now?:

Weak debt and contingent liabilities
Provincetown's debt and contingent liabilities profile is, in our view, weak.
Debt service is 7.8% of total governmental funds expenditures, and net direct
debt is 147.6% of total governmental funds revenue. Officials plan to retire
approximately 66% of debt over 10 years; we consider this a credit strength. We
view the net-debt-to-market-value ratio as a low 2%, which we consider a
positive credit factor.

In our view, Provincetown is facing large pension and other postemployment
benefits (OPEB) obligations, which we consider a negative credit factor. Last
year, Provincetown contributed 100% of its annual required pension contribution.
The combined annual pension and OPEB cost accounted for 8% of total government
funds expenditures in fiscal 2013. Provincetown is a member of the multiemployer
Barnstable County retirement system, and we understand the town has been
contributing 100% of its annual required contribution.

WWW.STANDARDANDPOORS.COM/RATINGSDIRECT JUNE 4, 2014 3
1347594 | 301865278

Summary: Provincetown, Massachusetts; General Obligation
Provincetown's share of the estimated unfunded pension liability is
approximately 2.6%, or $17.1 million. As of July 1, 2012, the OPEB unfunded
actuarial accrued liability was $28.8 million. The town's actual pension and
OPEB contributions were $1.2 million and $1.3 million, respectively, in fiscal
2013, or about 8% of total governmental funds expenditures. The town has set up
an OPEB trust fund; we understand management received electorate approval to
transfer money into this fund, which brought the balance to $497,000. In
addition, we understand Provincetown has adopted a nonbinding resolution to fund
an OPEB contribution of $540,000 in fiscal 2015, as well as to increase that
amount by 2.5% in each succeeding fiscal year.

Outlook

The stable outlook reflects Standard & Poor's opinion of Provincetown's strong
budgetary flexibility, supported by
strong liquidity. While we believe it is unlikely to occur over our two-year
outlook period, if budgetary performance and budgetary flexibility were to
remain strong over time, and if debt and liability factors were to improve, we
could raise the rating. Although Provincetown maintains, what we consider, a
weak debt and liability profile, and despite high pension and OPEB liabilities,
we do not expect weakened performance or liquidity measures because those costs
are currently manageable. Over time, however, if these costs were to increase
and significantly affect budgetary performance and budgetary flexibility, we
could lower the rating. For now, we expect, what we consider, stable budgetary
operations and very strong budgetary flexibility. For these reasons, we do not
think we will change the rating within the two-year outlook period.
3:50 pm edt 

After Thirty Years of Knowing Her, This is Not the Time For Her
 
Michelle J should stay where she is. Years back she could have been town manager
but times have changed, she has changed and so has the town. she is not the
person for this moment. she is not what we need.

I don't deny that she is sweet and a nice person but there are many sweet and
nice persons in this town and that does not qualify them to run this town.

It would be a huge mistake if Michelle J is chose from this failed group of
candidates. It is all wrong and we should close the book and start the search
over. Nothing wrong with that but hiring the wrong candidate is a bigger
problem.

The whole process is a mess. Admit that and then start over. We are fine now
with what we have--until the right person comes along!
3:39 pm edt 

Realistic Discussion About Provincetown's Finances

"How does this man continue to survive in his job? He is not a team
player and continues to sell out our town to the 1%. Who does he think he is
fooling, and when will someone on the BOS, or a manager shut him up and tell him
to do the job for the whole town and not his friends."


Dan Hoort
49 mins

Let's have a realistic discussion about the town's finances. There are some who
would have you believe the town is in dire straights and the sky is falling.
Facts are being manipulated to scare residents and to stop the police station
which has always been the #1 goal. I read that we are $75M in debt. Took me
awhile to figure out how they came up with that number and you can only get to
that number by including the pension benefits and OPEB.
Pension Benefits - Each year we are billed and pay more than the amount due in
that particular year to retirees. The state has mandated that pension
obligations be fully funded in the 2030s, Provincetown is on target to meet the
state mandate. But, if you want to stop the police station and scare residents I
guess it makes sense to ignore that fact.
OPEB - The finance committee pushed for financing the OPEB liability to have it
fully funded in 25 years. I would contend they have yet to provide a funding
source, but at least the commitment is there. So by finance committee member
Cliggot's calculations if we continue to fund OPEB in the manner he has
suggested OPEB will be fully funded in the late 2030s. But, if you want to stop
the police station and scare residents I guess it makes sense to ignore that
fact.
Provincetown's debt service cost is 9.07% of gross revenue in FY16 (see pg. S-10
of the draft CIP on Finance Dept web page) and gets as high as 10.78% in 2019 if
all CIP requests move forward. In other years it drops back below our policy
limit of 10%.
How did we get to this point? Why do we have so many CIP requests? For years we
ignored our buildings and let them fall in disrepair. At some point we were
going to have to pay the piper for our past decisions. A few would like to blame
previous town manager Lynn for the 'building spree', but I'd contend she was
doing what a good town manager should be doing - protect the town's assets.
There is a big clue as to why we have so much on our plate in 2014. In looking
at the 2008 DOR Report issued for the town of Provincetown they made the
following observation:
"As illustrated in the chart below, those towns closest to Provincetown have
permanently added millions of dollars to their tax levy through overrides (plus
annual 2 1/2 percent increases) to maintain services. These towns have used debt
exclusions and, though less frequently, have taken advantage of the capital
exclusion option."
Eastham
$2,587,398 Overrides
$20,830,622 Debt Exclusions
$21,000 Capital Exclusions
Orleans
$2,760,769 Overrides
$27,567,973 Debt Exclusions
Truro
$3,010,383 Overrides
$8,987,837 Debt Exclusions
$835,237 Capital Exclusions
Wellfleet
$2,975,004 Overrides
$14,222,433 Debt Exclusions
$138,000 Capital Exclusions
Provincetown
$350,000 Overrides
Those numbers are very telling. The overrides are a permanent addition to the
tax levy while the debt exclusions are usually paying for capital projects.
Wellfleet added approximately $2,600,000 more to its tax levy every year than
did Provincetown and had $14,000,000 in debt exclusions while Provincetown had
nothing.
I don't suggest we go on a spending spree now, but contend our tax rate was
artificially low for years while we ignored our buildings and made questionable
decisions. We wouldn't be looking at $1,200,000 in pier repairs if we had put
the wave attenuator system in when needed. But, we didn't because some were
concerned about their views.
As finance director I constantly look for ways to save money and cut costs. It's
my job. But, one of the ways to cut cost and save money is to do repairs and
make replacements when they are needed. Sure, we can delay capital improvements
as has been done in the past, kick the can down the road to future generations,
but it's only going to get more expensive.
From the 2008 DOR Report
Conclusion - Provincetown's fiscal circumstances are not unique. As in many
Massachusetts communities, the town's ability to address needs and provide a
consistent level of services depends primarily on revenue enhancements that meet
recurring cost escalations, operating efficiently and containing cost where
possible. In the past the town has resisted supplementing budget revenue through
Proposition 2 1/2 overrides, debt exclusions or capital exclusions. Looking
ahead, when services are inevitably reduced to critical levels and when need
capital investment can be delayed not (sic) longer, townspeople will have no
choice but to confront the question of whether to increase tax revenue. That
discussion can be more meaningful if residents have confidence in government.
12:48 pm edt 

Michelle Jarusiewicz

After 30 years of working for town very few have anything bad to say about
Michelle. I truly hope that the town chooses her. She is highly intelligent,
hard working, loves Provincetown and NOT prone to drama. She has worked
diligently for the town in many capacities, knows what she is up against and
still wants the job!

Some on this blog have a very short history with the town
or they would know about her- she is highly regarded by both staff and
residents. We keep hiring outsiders with little knowledge of town, we should 
hire from within and for reasons of merit (is this a forsaken hiring idea?) and
show those who work for the town that they can move up the ranks for a job well
done.

Please hire Michelle- I think she would be a great town manager
12:13 pm edt 

King of the One Percenters!!

Peter Petas has turned out to be a big BLOWHARD, who has more money
than brains and does not "get" the people who work for a living and try to
survive and work here.

He looks down on most of the "townies", thinks they are ignorant and don't know
how to run their town without his great knowledge.

Jennifer Cabral and Peter belong together. Both of them mock and laugh at any
serious concerns that don't enrich them or their friends. Petas won't be here
that much longer, from what I hear, and maybe Cabral will move to Vermont with
her husband and let this town heal.

Petas will make some sick profit on selling his oceanfront mansion, some other
rich republican wearing democratic clothes will buy in, and we can be rid of the
interference from the current citizen of the world....the king of the
one-percenters.
12:06 pm edt 

Police Hiring

Provincetown has hired many full time academy trained officers in the past, the
problem is they don't stay... The candidates at hand, have already established
residency here or close by.  Why not give them the chance?  They are committed
officers and plan on staying in Provincetown.

Most already have 2-3 summers under their belts and are fully aware of the
community and how it operates.  I say pick what you have..  There are some great
choices....
12:00 pm edt 

Saturday, September 20, 2014

Posted on Provincetown Voice


Mike Canizales :

The town is $75,000,000 in debt (including Pension and Health care benefits) We spend about $4,000,000 of our annual operating budget on debt service or 20%. We have the worst S&P rating on the Cape because of our debt. Those that told you to spend all the money because it was borrowed and would not raise your taxes lied to you. Now they want you to borrow more. We can't. Opinion--yes. But an opinion well articulated by Doug Cliggot at last Fincom meeting and I strongly agree. So then we'd have to raise taxes $4M per annum for 5 years in overrides or 40% BEFORE doing anything for Community Housing to fund the $20M in capital that Town Staff want. So I predict this is never going to happen. I predict we'll do about 1/2 of the wish list or $10M in 5 years and part of that will be Community Housing. I predict the two projects to be deferred indefinitely will be the Police Station and DPW building. Because really, you're going to build those two things and not do roads, schools, the pier, housing, cars, etc. etc. ???? I have been wrong before and maybe we'll vote to do more than $10M in capex in 5 years but IF that is our budget, I cannot see the station and garage making the cut. Vote for the $200k in repair money for the Police Station fincom MAY propose. I call it "Article 31". Come give us your view Monday at 10AM and come to Town Meeting! 

In fact at STM we'll discuss putting an Article 30 on -- $4M permanent override on the warrant to fund Town Staff's current wish list (which conspicuously excludes the number one town priority of housing). I'll make sure that is on before the fincom $200k article. Let's just see what folks really want. I'm happy either way as long as we start saying how we will FUND all of these supposed life or death projects.
11:50 pm edt 

Re: More Spending?

"I heard last night that the Police Chief wants to hire TWO of the
summer officers for full time positions.  Catch is we have to foot the bill to
pay for their academy training because they aren't certified cops!!"



I know at least two individuals who became police officers in this fashion. 
Don't know how prevalent this is, but here's my opinion:  Hiring full-time
officers who had worked in Provncetown as summer officers gives us a pretty good
idea that this individual will be a good fit with our community.  The other
alternative would be, as you suggest, to hire those who already have gone
through the Police Academy, but come from other communities.  Sometimes, this
individuals lack an understanding of how to work in a place like ours.

This may already be in place, but the only thing I'd suggest is that, if the
town pays for any individual's police academy training, that such individuals be
required to commit to a specific minimum number of years of work  in our
Provincetown Police a Department.
11:42 pm edt 

Reappearance of the Disappearing Committee Member

Yet again the disappearing committee member opines

"Peter Petas:  Um, why the      would we care what a professionally trained
architect would think.? Or the building committee that diligently studied the
problem for over a year? We have FinCom. Couple of days and they're experts on
most anything. Get with the program, Stephen."



Someone's been drinking again it looks like. Let me ask Mr Petas a question -
why would the same people, over and over again, try to jam a police station we
can't afford down the citizen's throats? Fincom is correct: we can't afford it.
Period. The Building Committee, a professional architect and even Christ himself
can't change that. If YOU want to pay for it be our guest but if you can't, then
do us all a favor and quit talking this the same way you quit the town manager
select committee and now post on that backwater blog. Or do you keep posting
there to ensure no one will ever take anything you say seriously again? WE CAN'T
AFFORD A NEW POLICE STATION. So stop throwing stones at people willing to tell
the truth. For the love of God STOP.
11:41 pm edt 

Re: More Spending?

So the police department - Chief - is taking the lazy way out and
hiring TWO summer hires that BOTH still need to go through the police academy,
AND tax payers are footing that cost. Isn't FINCOM asking every dept to cut
costs wherever possible???  This sure smacks in the face of that idea. For
Christs sake, hire two that are already certified!!
11:32 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating With Nagle?

"Or is it someone else at town hall using a fake
name?"

Funny you should say that. I've heard that there is an investigation going on
because someone at town hall (inside) is one of the more obnoxious fake profiles
on what some like to call "that backwater page". I understand it is of
questionable legality to hide one's identity and post from inside a public
building as a public employee, and that's why it's being investigated. So
someone may be sent packing soon or be allowed to "resign". That rat in the
basement is a mean one.
11:30 pm edt 

Let's Refocus

ENOUGH!!!!! Hasn't the general public heard enough about Candice
and Sharon Lynn? These lloathsome Individuals are Provincetown history. Forget
about them and concentrate on some of the positive aspects of our town, and some
of the real problems facing  the town such as a 20 percent increase in the
capital budget, and unbrideled expenditures  requested by numerous town
department heads. Try to put your concerns in perspective.
11:27 pm edt 

Let's Focus on What We Have

Ok, let's quit talking about michelle j whatever her last name is, we
all know that she is not qualified, truro didn't even pick her, and how the heck
can we hire someone who applied for two different towns? Who does that? Not
someone who LOVES ptown and will work to protect and take care of it. It seems
like she was just "looking for a job"

We all know that all she did was just write grants, my child can do that in its
sleep, lets focus on the other individuals, who are they? What are their
credentials? Lets give them the "open floor" if you will.

Change up the topic of the "who cant do it" to, "who can do it" We gotta have
something out of the other two candidates.

Move this negative attention from the negative attention       and lets focus
on what we got. The other candidates must really want to work for this town for
the fact that they even applied.

I want to know about them. It seems as all we have done is give that coo coo
cachoo all the attention, when this isnt even about her or her "followers"
Give the attention to the people who really want the best in this town. Lets
show them that we are a good town in need of a good town manager. Lets applaud
there effort to apply here and respect them for wanting to be a part of this
lovely little town where we can all co-exist.
11:24 pm edt 

Merry Go Round

Don't you fools realize by now that the BOS only listens to the FinCom
that controls the pulse of the town!? FinCom may not fill the positions but
they're the ones that make things happen! Obviously you're not paying attention.

This BOS is absolutely the weakest I've witnessed and I've been here long
enough to know that. Stop filling open positions until it's necessary. Is it
true the police want to spend money to train newbies who don't even know or want
to commit to our close knit community? What a waste of money, train these kids
on our dime. Hello FinCom, pick up the phone and call the BOS and explain it to
them. Let's get off the money spending merry go round .
11:19 pm edt 

Good Riddance Already

This blog is just talking all about,  wait what's her name oh yeah
nagle something. She is so enjoying this attention. Just like a child, when they
can't get positive attention they will get whatever is offered to them; negative
attention.  She is loving this, keep in mind she is the only one that is
responding to these posts. Unless she has some kind of cult like following lol,
it's pretty sad. This sad individual couldn't "make her way" in this town and
she is so sad. So since she cannot email the folks at town hall, since they all
learned there lesson about bad apples, all she can do is cause havoc from afar.
Like posting on this anonymous blog. She really needs to get a life, like a real
world life. She got away with her childish behavior here in ptown for a while
but the people pulled out there pacifiers and realized she was just doleing out
trouble. Good riddance already, I think we all said that, and take your cronies
with ya!!
6:03 pm edt 

Friday, September 19, 2014

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

"Wait a minute.  That's exaclty (sic) what you said.  You said sending 3 emails
a year is fine."


Candace is that you Candace? Or is it Hoort? Or Georgie? Or whomever Oatsey is
pretending to be now? Or Jack? Or is it someone else at town hall using a fake
name? None of these people understand "anonymous" as opposed to "actively using
a fake name to hide their identity".

Oh and, btw, (sic) is a polite way of saying "your illiteracy would be improved
by using at least a spell check, and I'm acknowledging it in this snide way."
10:57 pm edt 

Send Candyland to Rehobeth Beach

She can help Sharon Lynn as Lynn instates a new city wide web site for Rehobeth
beach. If anyone can advise Sharon, it is Candyland herself. How to make certain
that key individuals gain access to key office holders. special web site access.

Send Candyland off to help this woman, someone I am certain maintains constant
e-mails with. I would be interesting to request town e-mails or city e-mails
from Rehobeth. guess who would appear like a mirage? Tart Candyland I am sure,
asking this, demanding this, and forever on line.

Here is her chance to shine!
10:55 pm edt 

Re: Candy Land

"This woman does need our help."


"Our" help? Don't include me in this whacked-out equation.   CN is certainly no
damsel in distress, and you certainly, aren't her savior. But a poster on this
blog did raise an interesting question. If she does indeed have minions doing
her bidding, exactly what is the benefit? Special privileges at the dog park?
10:49 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

The (finally) posted library board minutes indicate that a vote was
taken on Aug 4 to hire Rebecka Lindau as the new library director.  But given
that it is now Sept 19 and no public announcement has been made, it appears that
Ms Lindau did not accept the job. Doesn't the public have the right to know the
status of the library's current fiasco?
10:46 pm edt 

Re: What's the Rush? - Choose Wisely

"I know that most folks are all consumed with the latest failings of
the town manager search but let's please pay attention to business at hand while
we move towards the obvious decision to start a new search for a TM. I strongly
urge the BOS and the FinCom to hold off on filling any new or open positions
until we get a look at the upcoming budget proposals and ramifications to us
taxpayers. I understand there are openings in various departments and I don't
understand the need to rush to fill these immediately. It is now the slow season
and it can wait until it has been vetted through the budget process."


What lunacy.  "most folks"  Couldn't care less about what seems to be an
obsession with some.  Who says that the Search Committee Failed?  So you,
whoever you are,strngly urges the BOS to start over.  Why should they listen to
you when they don't even know who you are.  They do know that you are ignorant
of the way the town works.  The FinCom hires no one. Get it, NO ONE. Unless it
is part of the budget they don't even have a say in the matter.  What is it
about posters here that don't understand or want to learn about the very
valuable, but very limited, role of the FinCom in town government.


Now when you get a minute or more, please define "rush" for us.  There is no
"rush" to hire a new TM.  In fact, there has been a fair amount of people
complaining that it has taken too long.  RUSH?  Please get a life.
10:43 pm edt 

More Spending?

This town cannot stop spending money we don't have. I heard last night
that the Police Chief wants to hire TWO of the summer officers for full time
positions.  Catch is we have to foot the bill to pay for their academy training
because they aren't certified cops!! If the police department is going to keep
hiring more cops, why can't the Chief find officers already with training!! This
is insane! Where's the oversight on this kind of unnecessary spending? WHY ON
EARTH ARE WE PAYING FOR THEIR ACADEMY TRAINING WHEN WE DONT NEED TO!?! Just keep
spending town money we don't have to spend.....This town is messed up.
10:40 pm edt 

Re: Let Us Stop the Process For Town Manager Now!!

"You don't believe this?  Talk with the town managers all over the cape.  They
wouldn't touch it with a very long pole.  It will take a very rare individual to
take and do the job well and last for more than two or three years."



You've talked to no one. You know why people don't want the job? It's
challenging and you actually have to work. The summer has the largest swings
anywhere on the cape, the tourist trade is very specialized, and again, you have
to actually WORK. As opposed to a place like Truro where you do...exactly what?
Or Wellfleet? Or Brewster? No comparison. And "nasty political environments"
exist everywhere, even Truro (home of our very own non-resident  gasbag).

And, btw, in 2014 people don't last 3 to 5 years at ANY job anymore. I don't
expect this position to be any different. What are you thinking, that this is
the old IBM of the 70's? Are you watching too much Mad Men and being nostalgic?
And since this is the case, who should buy in town? No one. They should rent but
the gasbags are trying to draw your attention that we don't have real year-round
rentals to attract people. 3 to 5 years. That's the length of any job. We don't
want a lifer, we want someone to do a great job and move on. And we don't want
someone who "buys" property because others in town financed the transaction to
make it possible and to make the town manager under their thumb. How did Sharon
get her place? Trace the money, then you get why she blew out of town.
10:38 pm edt 

Re: What's the Rush? - Choose Wisely

Re: "I strongly urge the BOS and the FinCom to hold off on filling any
new or open positions"



I was not aware that the FINCOM filled open positions. I thought the BoS and
town manager did that.
10:31 pm edt 

Friday, September 19, 2014

Re: What's the Rush? - Choose Wisely

I know that most folks are all consumed with the latest failings of
the town manager search but let's please pay attention to business at hand while
we move towards the obvious decision to start a new search for a TM. I strongly
urge the BOS and the FinCom to hold off on filling any new or open positions
until we get a look at the upcoming budget proposals and ramifications to us
taxpayers. I understand there are openings in various departments and I don't
understand the need to rush to fill these immediately. It is now the slow season
and it can wait until it has been vetted through the budget process.
12:41 am edt 

As For Anonymous Blogs

Now we have and had Georgie Hutton--please, will the real--oh that is not
possible--Candace Nagle stand up. what a joke. Hide behind fake names and
then attack anonymous blogs. what a perverse situation.

This woman does need our help. Too bad that the Cape Code Hospital psychiatric
ward is now moving away from 24 hour service to a nine to five service. At any
moment--she may lose it!! then give her the best help the Cape can give. She is
a person in need of serious help.
10:43 pm edt 

Just Two words:

Start Over.

Yes, Start Over. Look ahead and look to see who in the future wants
to be here. Keep these three candidates--so-called--in the running and then open
it up.

Start over ---and we will all be better for this.
10:39 pm edt 

Let's Just Say: She Was a Loser

And we do not need another loser to lead our town. We are trying to gain a
leader and Michelle J is not the one to do this. she is not qualified
enough--that is key. she may be a nice person who writes grants but we need much
more than that for town manager.

Keep writing the grants and we will keep looking for a town manager that has
vision, leadership and new ideas.

Sorry, but as one song states: "it ain't you, kid."

10:36 pm edt 

Let Us Stop the Process For Town Manager Now!!

"No meet and greet on Tuesday. stop now. Start the process again and
make sure we have the better agency to handle the search. but with the Search
committee's devastating perspective on the head huncho---stop it all now!!

Don't go any further. Wait for another process and let these three
candidates--one already a loser for the Truro position--go. there is a reason
this is not a strong group of candidates and the whispering issues that the best
candidate did not withdraw. It's a mess. We do not need to start our
relationship with a new town manager this way.

Stop Now!"


We have the absolute best search consultant there is.  Tell us if you know of a
better one, and what specifically ours did wrong?

"devastating"?  Please explain.

So you know that there is a "reason this is not a strong group of candidates". 
Please tell us what it is and where you got the opinion.

It has been already posted that there are a number of negatives about the job.

1) people like you meddling in such a bombastic way
2) Low pay
3) residency requirement
4) very expensive place to live
5) very small and isolated
6) Nasty political environment

You don't believe this?  Talk with the town managers all over the cape.  They
wouldn't touch it with a very long pole.  It will take a very rare individual to
take and do the job well and last for more than two or three years.
10:30 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

"No, HERE'S an idea: STOP QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT. No one said anything
about choking off a citizen's ability to converse with the local government.
What was said was that this PARTICULAR woman is/was a     and a MENACE and those
types of people should be DISCOURAGED from sucking the life out of the town
employees. NO ONE needs to send THOUSANDS of emails to Town Hall in a town with
a full-time population of under 3000. NO ONE needs to send over 50 emails to
Town Hall in
day in this town. NO ONE who works for the town should be subjected to that
abuse.

READ. You can't possible be this dumb, you're just being malevolent. NONE of us
is that stupid. We all know how to read. Or maybe this is just you posting again
Candace? Or one of your
minions that kept feeding you inside information behind
everyone's backs?"


First, using all the jargon like cabal and "minions" does nothing for your
credibility.  As a side issue, how does someone like Nagle collect these
"minions"?  What's the point of being a minion?

Second,  To whom is nagle a "memace" and how?  Be honest and open when you tell
us your answer.

Third, who in town government complained to anyone about the so-called( by you,
at least) abuse.  None that we know of.  What town employee had the "life sucked
out".  Names please.

I have enough confidence in our public servants to believe that if they feel
they are being abused, they will make it known to those that can correct the
situation. Who in town government ever complained about getting all the emails? 
Did anyone go to the press?  Or to the state?  Or to the feds?  No.  Never.

So outside of a few Nagle haters, her contacts might, or might not, have been an
annoyance.  Menace?  No.  Abuser?  No.  Pain in the butt?  Perhaps?  Immoral?
No.  Illegal?  No.  Unethical? No.  Now, I'm sure that you disagree and that's
fine,just tell us factually what she did that was abuse, illegal, immoral,
unethical or menacing.  The emails certainly were none of these.
10:27 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

RE:  "STOP QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT. No one said anything about choking
off a citizen's ability to converse with the local government."


Wait a minute.  That's exaclty what you said.  You said sending 3 emails a year
is fine.  Implied in that is sending more than 3 is not fine.  Then you
suggested a method of "choking off" those who ask too many questions via email.

I'm a citizen and if I want to email or phone a town official (elected or
appointed) it is my right to do so.  If it takes a dozen requests to get what I
need then that's how many contacts I'll make.  Who are you to limit anyone's
politcal activities or requests for info or service from town hall.

At least you are becoming more clear with every post.  You seem to be driven not
by a need for good government but rather by a pathological hatred of a handfull
of people, most of whom are gone.  Let it go and move on.  and by the way, STOP
YELLING!
2:13 pm edt 

Town Manager

Michelle is by far the most qualified of the finalists for the job.  She knows
the community, is well educated and has proven time and again that she has the
best interest of the entire community at heart.  She has successfully written
grants for many town projects - including the pier (our gateway for tourists). 
She may not have been chosen in Truro but she was a finalist and it looks like
they had 3 very strong candidates.  They had more applicants then Provincetown
and they offered a higher starting salary.  Truro seems to want a high caliber
of person to serve as their administrator.  Provincetown wants to fight and
criticize and claim that this person is controlled by this group or that. Why
don't you take the time to look at Michelle's entire career with the town and
see how strong of a candidate she truly is.  She is never out drinking with one
group or attending lavish events with another.  She is to busy working a second
job in the summer and raising her family in her off time. 
She is living like most of do here.

2:11 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

Re: "Heres an idea. "


No, HERE'S an idea: STOP QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT. No one said anything about
choking off a citizen's ability to converse with the local government. What was
said was that this PARTICULAR woman is/was a     and a MENACE and those types of
people should be DISCOURAGED from sucking the life out of the town employees. NO
ONE needs to send THOUSANDS of emails to Town Hall in a town with a full-time
population of under 3000. NO ONE needs to send over 50 emails to Town Hall in
day in this town. NO ONE who works for the town should be subjected to that
abuse.

READ. You can't possible be this dumb, you're just being malevolent. NONE of us
is that stupid. We all know how to read. Or maybe this is just you posting again
Candace? Or one of your minions that kept feeding you inside information behind
everyone's backs?
12:08 pm edt 

Let Us Stop the Process For Town Manager Now!!

No meet and greet on Tuesday. stop now. Start the process again and make sure we
have the better agency to handle the search. but with the Search committee's
devastating perspective on the head huncho---stop it all now!!

Don't go any further. Wait for another process and let these three
candidates--one already a loser for the Truro position--go. there is a reason
this is not a strong group of candidates and the whispering issues that the best
candidate did not withdraw. It's a mess. We do not need to start our
relationship with a new town manager this way.

Stop Now!
11:52 am edt 

What's the Rush? - Choose Wisely

I am personally sick and tired of hearing the statement from posters
here and on the other blogs that no one will come here because it is too crazy
or hard or whatever.

Professional town managers, and anyone who serves a municipality are used to,
and expect the kind of challenges that we have here.

I for one do not want to hire someone who is not capable of handling any amount
of feedback and input into the job of managing the affairs of a diversified and
intelligent, involved community.

We will find the right people. They are out there

Get control of the situation, Board of Selectmen!
The citizens and voters of Provincetown are looking to you and your town hall
staff to get this hiring and staffing of the top positions in town government
filled competently and professionally.

The five of you are expected to meet, communicate and if you disagree, learn to
negotiate, keep your negotiations to yourselves, and work together to come up
with a solution for your constituents! What is soooooo difficult about that?

Tom Donegan, as Chair of this esteemed board it is incumbent upon you to LEAD
this board from in front, not from behind....communicate and keep your board
informed of every bit of action so there are no surprises! No member of this
Board should be reading about what is happening in the newspaper or on social
media....they should be hearing everything straight from your mouth....no
excuses.

And members of this current board, please, support your Board AND Chairman, it
is a lonely and difficult, time-consuming position, and it is Provincetown! I am
sure the Chair and each member of the BOS gets plenty of advice and direction
from their constituents.

This Board inherited a lot of bad decisions and karma from the previous
incompetant group in power. It will take time and working together to make up
for that incompetence. I hope we have what it takes!
11:49 am edt 

Michelle Jarusiewicz Not Qualified

Truro's non-selection of MJ as town manager should be a telling
conclusion to Provincetown that she is not qualified by any stretch of
imagination to become TM in Provincetown.

Serving as assistant TM in 1990 for a short period of time is ancient history in
terms of a job qualification; experience as a part time grants administrator and
housing specialist (whatever that means) in the Town of Provincetown other than
counting the number of affordable housing units do not even meet basic entry
level qualifications for consideration in the search process.

Where was our search consultant in his advice to the search committee? MJ does
not meet basic qualifications.

Folks, let's get a grip on this and not allow the Board of Selectmen to appoint
a puppet whom they can control along with members of the cabal who help them get
elected.

A good Town Manager should serve as the key link for continued effective
government as new members of the BOS are elected and join the BOS and previous
Selectmen leave.

An unqualified candidate serving as TM will only add to the confusion and chaos
of each turnover of new BOS members.

Provincetown needs a candidate with a proven track record of running a town.
Let's not settle for less this time.
11:45 am edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

" So stop defending her and the people
she was in cahoots with. It's the SAME PEOPLE giving her information WITHOUT
QUESTION OR PERMISSION OR AN FIOA REQUEST. THAT is what's not right and those
people, all of them, need to go to complete this purge of our bad town
government. "



Exactly!! That is the point that most of us here are making. Thank you for
clarifying this, maybe the simpletons who keep defending her and her cohorts
will understand this once and for all. Like I said in an earlier post, its not
our fault that we the people do not trust anyone that was involved with Nagle.
It is their faults, not ours that there is now mistrust.
11:42 am edt 

The Perfect Place to Start Reducing Overhead

We agree with the poster that said we don't need an Assistant Town
Manager The Asst. Twn. mgr. that is now Acting Town Manager,(Gardner),is doing
it all proving that an Asst. is not necessary.Vote the position out and save the
salary!
11:41 am edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

RE: "The way to choke this off is to make certain all replies to the person are
subject to review and take the maximum amount of time allowed by law for a
response. Is that hard to fathom? Say someone sends 3 requests for info a year.
Fine an answer is appropriate. Or if they are a gadfly like Ms Rushmore, working
for taxation vigilance."



Wow!  You actually put it in writing.  Thanks for your views and ideas for
methods of choking off citizen participation in local government.  I'm not sure
if you want B. Rushmore "choked off or not.    Its hard to tell form your post. 
Im sure she has had more than 3 interactions with town officials within the span
of a years time.

Heres an idea.  Why dont you work to get a warrant article for the next Town
Meeting?  The article could ask the voters whether or not they want to choke off
citizens after they send more than your 3 email limit to town officials.  Lets
be generous and up that limit to 5 and maybe even not count replies as separate
emails.  You could also add an item where we create and fund an email monitor
position to police all town correspondence with citizens making sure anyone
hitting the limit is choked off.

Before you spend a lot of time on the warrant maybe you should consult with an
attorney to see if your choking off system would be legal under state and
federal laws.  Id hate to see you waste your time.  If you do contact an
attorney please be as concise and thorough as possible in all Correspondences. 
I would hate to see you send to many emails or make too many phone calls and get
choked off.
11:38 am edt 

Re: Michelle Jarusiewicz Going to Truro?

OK Michelle Jarusiewicz did not Get Selected for Truro Town Manager

They picked wisely a woman from another state. they made a good decision and did
not want to take up our lost individuals, our leftover candidates.

Congratulations to the new town Manager--now please, do not even pick Michelle
Jaruwiczy for our town manager.
11:33 am edt 

Re: Let's Look For Other Candidates For Town Manager - What's Going On? -
 

Town Manager Search Committee
Town Hall

Provincetown, MA 02657

September 15, 2014

To: Provincetown Board of Selectmen Chair Tom Donegan, Vice-Chair Erik Yingling, and Selectmen Cheryl Andrews, Raphael Richter and Robert Anthony;

We want to express concerns about our experience with MMA Consulting Group Inc., and its principal, Mark Morse, during our seven month effort to recruit candidates for Provincetown Town Manager. As an appointed committee of educated and committed volunteers, we assumed we could rely on Mr. Morse to guide us through the complicated search process. The following are statements of concern with MMA' and Mr. Morse's performance, approved by all committee members, and which we hope will inform the selection of professional assistance for future Town search efforts.

  • o Lack of clear direction and specific information on the formalities of Mr. Morse's/MMA's role, our role and procedures we should follow in communicating with the BOS, taking minutes for executive sessions and communication of key search parameters like salary, timeframe for interviews and decision making to the BOS and candidates.
  • o Failure to provide effective communication between BOS and TM Search Committee. This led to distrust and misunderstandings that delayed the process and may have confused candidates and contributed to their hesitancy in proceeding as finalists.
  • o Disorganization and provision of incomplete, vague or incorrect information to the committee. The ad was both delayed and limited by Mr. Morse's claims that it must conform to certain conventions that seemed to avoid full disclosure. Spreadsheet summaries were too brief and augmented by verbal reports that both contained key information (like criminal convictions) and rambled and failed to answer or follow up on member questions. The fiasco with candidate Riccio also serves as an example of Mr. Morse's ineptitude-Mr. Morse clearly told us that Mr. Riccio had withdrawn his name from consideration due to concerns with having to let his superiors know he had applied for the TM position, which we thought odd. We referenced Mr. Riccio's withdrawal in our first letter to you with the names of three candidates. Mr. Riccio's letter clearly refutes what Mr. Morse had told us. It provides a logical explanation that the candidate merely wished to delay the announcement of his candidacy, not that he wanted to withdraw from consideration. 

o Failure to adequately follow up and communicate with candidates. For instance, Mr. Morse informed us that, after many attempts, he had been unable to   
reach a finalist to get his permission to release his candidacy publicly. Puzzled as to why someone would interview for a position and then become unreachable, we decided to call the candidate ourselves during a meeting. We called during a meeting and reached him upon our first attempt. The candidate claimed he had not heard from Mr. Morse, but was still very interested.   


We continue to support the candidates we recommended to the Board of Selectmen as stated in our original letter submitted August 25, 2014 and the one submitted on September 8, and we did our best to navigate the uncertain and unnecessarily stormy waters of the search process. Each of the candidates is qualified for the job, and we wish you the best in your deliberations


Submitted respectfully,

The Town Manager Search Committee of 2014:


Jennifer Cabral
Judy Cicero

Lynne Martin
Richard Olson
Robert Tosner
Donald Vaughan
Louise Venden
Robert Vetrick

4817-9479-9134.1

11:13 am edt 

Cape Cod Times


Truro goes out of state for new town administrator


TRURO — The Truro Board of Selectmen unanimously chose Connecticut resident Rae Ann Palmer on Wednesday to be the town's next town administrator.


Palmer has 30 years of experience in municipal government. She was an assistant town manager in Wethersfield, Conn. until February, having served about four years in that position. Prior to that she was the assistant to the town manager in Wethersfield for six years. Wethersfield is a suburb of Hartford, Connecticut, with a population of about 26,000.


Prior to serving in Wethersfield, Palmer held several administrative positions for the city of Hartford, starting as a buyer in 1981 and leaving in 2004 as the coordinator of special projects and community programs for the city's police department. She also served as chief management analyst in the city's management and budget office and then for the city's police department.

"I have been a frequent visitor to the Cape and I have always loved the environment and the small town, historic feel of the many communities," Palmer said in her June 24 application letter to the town.


In an email to the Times on Wednesday evening, Palmer said she was excited about the opportunity and looked forward to working out the details.


The Truro selectmen said Wednesday that they appreciated Palmer's broad experience, her approach to supervision and her interpersonal skills. Selectwoman Jan Worthington said Palmer's answer to a question about how she had handled the biggest challenge of her career was "very honest and human." "It made me think she could and does have a way with people," Worthington said.


The selectmen spent all day Tuesday with the three finalists, starting at around 9 a.m. with tours of town facilities, one-on-one interviews, a reception with town department heads and public interviews in the evening.


The panel took about 10 minutes to make their decision Wednesday. None of the three candidates were at the Wednesday meeting.

The offer of employment is conditional, based on successful completion of a background check and contract negotiations. Palmer's annual salary will be part of the negotiations.

Brewster Assistant Town Administrator Jillian Douglass and Provincetown Community Housing Specialist Michelle Jarusiewicz were the other two finalists for the full-time position.

The town administrator position is open due to the death in February of Town Administrator Rex Peterson, who had also planned to retire in June.

10:41 am edt 

Wednesday, September 17, 2014

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

"So let me get this straight.  Your position is that public officials should
just say no to citizen requests for public information?  Is that for everyone or
just people you don't like?"



Here we go again with the histrionics. No one said this. No one. What people are
saying is that, when you get a couple of thousand email requests from the same
person, you realize the person is completely bonkers or a complete pain and the
way to choke this off is to make certain all replies to the person are subject
to review and take the maximum amount of time allowed by law for a response. Is
that hard to fathom? Say someone sends 3 requests for info a year. Fine an
answer is appropriate. Or if they are a gadfly like Ms Rushmore, working for
taxation vigilance. If ONE PERSON is sending people, literally in cases, over
FIFTY emails a day to town hall, is there a problem? If any town employee
answered this person that's all they'd do. So stop defending her and the people
she was in cahoots with. It's the SAME PEOPLE giving her information WITHOUT
QUESTION OR PERMISSION OR AN FIOA REQUEST. THAT is what's not right and those
people, all of them, need to go to complete this purge of our bad town government.
If you want any complete picture of how bad the old BOS was, all you have to do is
read the letter from the Town Manager Select Committee and then ask yourself who
from Town Hall was always supporting these people?

Then, GET RID OF THEM. ALL OF THEM. And, btw, has Elaine's assessment gone up yet on her property, or is she going to continue to be undervalued for
the rest of her life as a reward for her bad service?
9:55 pm edt 

Re: Let's Look For Other Candidates For Town Manager

"I guess I have to go back to the People who picked this search
committee

And that is Austin Knight, Elaine Anderson, and David McChesney. Each had two
picks on this sad committee and the results shows it. this should have been. We
needed fresh thinking, new ideas and not people selected from the past that
brought us too many problems, much debt. and corruptive politics.

Three candidates. We need more. then try again. And I think that Michelle J is
tarnished. she is not the same person she was nine years ago and the town is not
the same as it was nine years ago. Let's go forward not backwards. We do not
need the baggage of the past, toxic as it was."



The committee works with a professional organization to find candidates.  This
job has been advertised in every municipal journal in the country.  The lack of
candidates has nothing, repeat nOTHING, to do with the search committee.  It has
everything to do with the job and the town.  Ptown may be desirable to you but
not to the world of qualifies town managers.  It is isolated, tiny,  pays
poorly, is very expensive and has too many people like you.
You can be sure that all the possible candidates do their homework and when they
go onto the internet and find the many, many postings like yours, they stay
away.  Every town manager in New England knew that we had an opening.  The
search committee had nothing to do with them not applying.


The real toxic problem is your ilk and the nasty and ignorant way that you talk
and think.
2:28 pm edt 

David Gardner

RE: "Offer the job to David gardner. He has done an acceptable job in
the interim."



Sorry, this quick fix-all solution isn't going to cut it. David Gardner does NOT
want the Town Manager job. That said, who in their right mind would?
2:25 pm edt 

Michelle Jarusiewicz Going to Truro?

Good, If Michelle Jarsiewicz is Going to Truro

Then that is great. Let Truro take our left overs as it has done in the past and
is now doing. This does not include Rex Petersen but the others that now
populate Truro positions.

good, and be gone. thrilled to have you "lead" elsewhere and not here. You are 
too loaded with old baggage, too much the problem and not enough the solution.
If Truro wants you, heh!
10:33 am edt 

Re: Let's Look For Other Candidates For Town Manager

I guess I have to go back to the People who picked this search
committee

And that is Austin Knight, Elaine Anderson, and David McChesney. Each had two
picks on this sad committee and the results shows it. this should have been. We
needed fresh thinking, new ideas and not people selected from the past that
brought us too many problems, much debt. and corruptive politics.

Three candidates. We need more. then try again. And I think that Michelle J is
tarnished. she is not the same person she was nine years ago and the town is not
the same as it was nine years ago. Let's go forward not backwards. We do not
need the baggage of the past, toxic as it was.
10:30 am edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

Re: "Back to e-mails and demands for responses. Please, if any
candidate is starting an e-mail relationship with this sad but problematic
woman, then that candidate remains plenty suspect. We have already been there if
Michelle Jure-whateve-rwizy cannot say no to her and cannot keep her distance
from her, this is a big problem."



So let me get this straight.  Your position is that public officials should just
say no to citizen requests for public information?  Is that for everyone or just
people you don't like?

Hey all you selectpersons never mind about those "100 emails being held back." 
You should follow this posters idea of good government and just say NO!
9:47 am edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

"We have already been there if Michelle Jure-whateve-rwizy..."


How clever you are, intentionally mangling a last name for your own deranged
enjoyment. I hardly trust you to judge the correspondence between a town
employee and a resident. A good majority of the town doesn't share your paranoid
assessment either.
9:42 am edt 

Town Manager Position

Offer the job to David gardner. He has done an acceptable job in the interim. 
If he accept the job fine, but do not hire another assistant town manager. If
the town has learned anything since Sharonn Lynnn has left it should be that the
town does not need both a  town manager and an assistant town manager.
9:41 am edt 

Re: Let's Look For Other Candidates For Town Manager

Something is odd here. The poster that keeps defending nagle must be
nagle herself because who in their right mind would defend this person who has
caused so much havoc in the town and everything she has "touched" has become
poison. How is this hard for people to understand? Oh wait, she was involved
with the dog park who said children couldn't go into. Or when she wrote a letter
to the banner about "2 legged creatures " running past her while she was on the
beach and was ruining her vacation? Who would ever advocate for this person or
the people that catered to her every whim?  Not a sane person and definitely not
someone who should be running for town manger. Call it what you want but any
association with that narcissistic,  m           did this too themselves. It's your
fault not ours that the people do not trust you because you chose to be on her
team, sorry Charlie. People who have hidden agendas usually stick together. It's
not rocket science folks it's called common sense.
9:38 am edt 

Tuesday, September 16, 2014

Re: What's the True Story

"Finally a post that makes sense, stop the fast speed train to hire a
TM now."



You failed to note which post made sense.  If this selection process has been
fast, then I hope that we never have to suffer through slow, but then again, we
might all die before we have to slog through the entire dreadful process,
9:50 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

They have posted publicly the advertisement for a replacement, but who would
want that job?

I would take the job. I am a year rounder who needs a second job and am
completely biased to what goes on. Do you need to have experience being a
minute taker? Did the advertisement say that do you know?

Thanks
9:48 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

Ooo, Eee. ugh

Back to e-mails and demands for responses. Please, if any candidate is starting
an e-mail relationship with this sad but problematic woman, then that candidate
remains plenty suspect. We have already been there if Michelle
Jure-whateve-rwizy cannot say no to her and cannot keep her distance from her,
this is a big problem.

Here we go again. and we do not need this again. It is the last thing this town
needs.
9:44 pm edt 

Re: Let's Look For Other Candidates For Town Manager

Start Over--there is nothing wrong with that

Begin again. start looking for real candidates for town manager and if you don't
find any---then let things be what they are. Life is not so bad with David
Gardner as Acting Town manager. Until the right one comes along--keep looking!
9:40 pm edt 

Re: Let's Look For Other Candidates For Town Manager
 
"At first the BOS was not happy with the finalists. I know why. this
is a small group and too few to choose from. and I don't think we need a part of
the past for our future.

Let's open it up again and hope we get a better range and experience from
different candidates. We do not need another Sharon, Please!"



This is Ptown, remember.  We may love it, but it is not for everyone.  Nasty
politics.  Egomaniacs by the dozen.  High prices for everything.  Residency
requirement.  Low pay.  What do you expect.  We are not going to get the Town
Manager of Arlington applying.  Or Natick.  Or Scituate.

Think about what was wrong with Sharon.  make the list as concise as possible
and send to to each selectman telling them that this is what we should avoid. 
Simply saying that they should not choose a member of the cabal will not win the
day. Since you feel so strongly this should be an easy labor of love.  I'm sure
that you'll be articulate and thoughtful enough to help them make a very wise
choice.  Thanks for helping.
4:57 pm edt 

Re: What's the True Story

Finally a post that makes sense, stop the fast speed train to hire a TM now.
Every citizen and elected official should read this post, it is "right on the
mark" We again will repeat the same mistakes of the past, we need to up the
salary a "bit" remove the residency requirement and do our "OWN" search for some
man or woman who would lead us in a new direction!
2:47 pm edt 

Let's Look For Other Candidates For Town Manager

At first the BOS was not happy with the finalists. I know why. this is a small
group and too few to choose from. and I don't think we need a part of the past
for our future.

Let's open it up again and hope we get a better range and experience from
different candidates. We do not need another Sharon, Please!
2:45 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

"You don't have to have a triple digit IQ to realize that a woman who
sends, literally, THOUSANDS of emails to people in town hall, and to whom only a
certain number of people actually engage, is toxic. So that wouldn't be anything
but common sense definition the way pretty much everyone looks at it. We have a
lady in town who just turned 90 and was labeled a "gadfly" in an article. SHE'S
the real deal. The other woman is just a toxic.  See the difference? Boy,
some people are really desperate to deflect attention away from the people who
caused this mess but guess what? It won't work."



I don't know about other but I am not desperate to to anything but understand
the ranting hatred.  Not one anti-nagle post has said a single word about any
illegal or immoral or unethical activity on her part.  What part of sending open
and publicly available emails is wrong.  Does it matter whether it is dozens or
hundreds or thousands.  Gadfly?  Pain in the butt?  Silly?  maybe yes to all,
but illegal, immoral or unethical? no to all.
2:43 pm edt 

My Posts

To those of you who love to speculate that I write posts here on MYPACC, you
don't have to. Look at the bottom and they are signed by me because I have
nothing to hide. I post here infrequently but those occasions where I feel the
need to comment, I make it clear it's me. Just like when I post on The Voice and
you can see my picture to know it's me and my name.

On the Town Manager here is me for the record: The Select Committee did its job,
and now the candidates are with the Board of Selectmen where they belong. I wish
all of them the best of luck and look forward to meeting them at the Social
event being held. I think it's a wonderful idea for both the candidates and
people in town. It's great exposure both ways. I have every confidence in this
Board of Selectmen and know they will make the decision they think is best.
Choosing them or interfering in the process is not my job, nor as a member of
Fincom is it my place to comment on their deliberations.

On the recent attendance of the second home owners it's been energizing and I
sincerely hope they keep corresponding with us and attending as we approach
budget season, STM, and discussion of the CIP and funding matters. We are all in
this together. We all love hearing their views and will absolutely take them
into account when we present warrants or budgets to Town Meeting.

Thanks!

Mark Hatch
1:11 pm edt 

Re: I Find the Nagle Connection to Jureawicz Very Problematic

"We have thousands of the nagle e-mails to town employees where she is
demanding information, requesting unusual demands from town employees, and
continually bantering with town manager. And now--nagle is gaining privilege
access to Michelle Jurewicz. Here is the pattern and it is not good. This is the last
person we need in Town Hall. she is no center but an abyss taking too many with
her."



And we have as many stupid posts from you fantasizing about her.  In your mind
if she requests info that means that she is demanding it.  Do you write sappy
science fiction or cheap horror drama. One or the other because it takes a
certain type to make a serious character flaw out of a conversation and then
call it "bantering" as if it were some evil activity.  Tell us, what is
"privilege access"? Is it sort of like sending an email to a publicly listed
email address of a public employee?  Sure seems nefarious to me.  We need to
have a special prosecutor for this that has no connection to the Cabal and never
even heard of Provincetown and all the scheming, conspiratorial types who run
our government.
9:36 am edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?


"One of the more interesting posts.  We sure do have lots of gadflies, but we
need to know more about the "toxic" form.  How do we know toxic?  Who defines
toxic?  You, inour (sic) opinion, I suspect."



You don't have to have a triple digit IQ to realize that a woman who sends,
literally, THOUSANDS of emails to people in town hall, and to whom only a
certain number of people actually engage, is toxic. So that wouldn't be anything
but common sense definition the way pretty much everyone looks at it. We have a
lady in town who just turned 90 and was labeled a "gadfly" in an article. SHE'S
the real deal. The other woman is just a toxic    . See the difference? Boy,
some people are really desperate to deflect attention away from the people who
caused this mess but guess what? It won't work.
9:34 am edt 

Provincetown Public Library

"the library board chair (unjustly) accused the former minute-taker of
improperly altering minutes, at which time said scribe quit."



Does this have anything to do with the fact that an election of a new president
of the library board is on the next agenda?  Would Ms Kratz quit just months
before she terms out?
9:31 am edt 

Monday, September 15, 2014

Re: What's the True Story? & My Recommendations

MJ hasn't been tendered an offer from Truro for the position. The interviews
haven't even begun yet. They begin during an all day interview/meet the town
government employees event and then an interview process later Tuesday with a
possibility of going to a second day for interviews and discussions, all in
public, with a possible decision to be made Wednesday night. Maybe we should
watch and learn how it's done.
11:19 pm edt 

Dan Hoort as Town Manager?

Would he still be on the Charter Enforcement Committee?

Talk about a single point of failure.
11:13 pm edt 

Re: What's the True Story? & My Recommendations
 
With all due respect, what you are proposing is much the same as a Town Meeting
of One.

Democracy works in a slightly different way.

11:12 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

"The current "Housing Specialist", Michelle J. is questionable as an
housing advocate, "


I'll bite.  What are the questions? Then we can ask her for her answers.  I'm
sure they you will never tell us what you mean by"questionable".  That would
reduce your ability to keep with the character assassinations.
11:06 pm edt 

I Find the Nagle Connection to Jureawicz Very Problematic

We have thousands of the nagle e-mails to town employees where she is demanding
information, requesting unusual demands from town employees, and continually
bantering with town manager. And now--nagle is gaining privilege access to
Michelle Jurewicz. Here is the pattern and it is not good. This is the last
person we need in Town Hall. she is no center but an abyss taking too many with
her.

anyone--connected with and influenced by Nagle--cannot be town manager. We just
left Sharon and now we do not need a second Sharon lynn look alike.

and I do not like the implied "friendship" connection between these two or
three.
11:02 pm edt 

Re: I Predict the Following

"I predict the following: The only interview to be given to Dan Hoort
will be an exit interview. Seriously how can you even say this? The man is a
complete menace..."



And that's why         won't be making the decision.  He doesn't have a clue as
to what Hoort does or how good he is, only the he doesn't like him.
7:58 pm edt 

For the Person Questioning Library Board Minutes

Yes, all town boards are required to take and post minutes.

The minutes are not being posted because they don't have a minute-taker since
the library board chair (unjustly) accused the former minute-taker of improperly
altering minutes, at which time said scribe quit. They have posted publicly the
advertisement for a replacement, but who would want that job?

The acting TM is aware of the problem but doesn't have authority over elected
boards. Only the voters can demand a recall, although the BOS could pressure the
board to straighten up.
7:54 pm edt 

What's the True Story? & My Recommendations

Does anyone know the true story of the applicant for the town
manager's position who allegedly withdrew from the search to the search with the
chair of the town manager search committee reporting to the Board of Selectmen
that there was a "miscommunication" that he never withdrew from the search?

Where did the "miscommunication" occur? Between the Chair of the Search
Committee and the applicant and/or the search consultant? I believe that the
truth with regard to this "miscommunication" is very important because it
undermines the public's confidence and trust in the search process.

I have heard that this candidate was the leading candidate of the search
committee although the search committee did not rank their candidates in public
presentation.

A previous poster stated that MJ will be hired for
the Truro town manager's position. I understand that an offer has been tendered
to her and I believe that she will do an excellent job for Truro if she accepts.

With regard to our search, I have not been impressed by the qualifications or
expertise of our applicants or the search consultant in guiding the Board of
Selectmen in initiating a very difficult search process as witnessed by the ease
of Truro's search process for a town manager.

All cannot be explained away with salary and residency requirement; Provincetown
has not always been highly regarded by Massachusetts town managers/assistant
town managers as a preferable choice for employment due to our politics,
geography and past history for many decades.

It should be painfully clear to the Board of Selectmen that the town is not in a
position of strength to recruit a top notch individual, with experience and
expertise in Massachusetts town government, to lead our town for the foreseeable
future. Our political climate is much too unstable to attract exceptional
applicants.

My recommendation would be as follows:

(1) Board of Selectmen extend an offer to David Gardner for next two years to
lead us through the necessary transition to rebuild the community trust and
confidence in town government. If he is not interested, hire an interim town
manager with clear expectations to be accomplished the next two years whom the
community can support.

(2) The Board of Selectmen make every effort to function more cohesively as a
unified group of individuals and define a vision and goals for the community for
the next five years which the community can embrace and can serve as the agenda
for accomplishment for a new town manager.

(3) Begin a search in two years using a creative and innovative process,
remembering that in the outside world, the best people are not applying for
jobs, the employer comes looking for them and invites them to apply.
By such time, we should have established a Cohesive Community Vision & Goals,
Cohesive Board of Selectmen, Financial Stability & Plan to Accomplish The Goals
and the ability to recruit a Candidate with the necessary technical, personal
and professional skills to engender community confidence and success.

I don't believe we have yet achieved the above triangulation for success and I
am afraid that a premature hire of a town manager, for the sake of having
fulfilled a Board of Selectmen goal to "hire a town manager," will only set us
back further.

Let's continue the progress we are making amongst ourselves and
7:49 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating With Nagle?
 
"I see everything wrong with this, and also she should not be a
candidate for Town Manager. We just went through a horrific problem with these
kind of people, we do not need to have this again.

First of all, the were "email requests" not written requests) responding to the
public is one thing, but can you imagine if the entire town emailed the town
manager or the selectman do you think they would personally respond to everyone?
Of course not, they all responded to Nagle. Like who the hell is she? If she
wanted info, google it herself like most people here have too. Or go to Town
Hall and request it and WAIT for the info like everyone else. The fact that she
so readily provided Nagle the information is disturbing, Why was veryone so
afraid of the women and  were at her beck and call? Makes you wonder huh? I am
sorry, No Michelle J for me. If she is elected, this town obviously has not
learned their lesson."



This is strange beyond comprehension.  "these kind of people"?  And, what are
"these kind of people"?

Maybe you got left behind in the last century and think that email is not a
legitimate form of communication.  Sorry, but email is ubiquitous now and is
used in some very formal communications.

In spite, of you overblown fear, everyone in town will NEVER email town
officials.  I have emailed Barney Frank And got a personal reply).  Should
anyone ask me "who the hell do you think you are"?  Of course not,  we are
citizens and have a right to public information. Nagle get information and it
was no more "readily provided" than anyone else.  Who was afraid of this woman? 
No one and if you have any proof that it was different, let us know.  I hope
that when I ask the assessors office for info and they provide it, they do so
because it is their job, not because they are afraid of me.  When you see people
in town hall asking questions of Doug or anyone else, is that any different than
sending an email?

Have you ever asked anyone at town hall or the police station of the DPW for
info? If so, were you refused?  If you got the info was it because they were
"afraid" of you.  Silly far past the normal paranoia.
7:35 pm edt 

Enema Required

You people are some serious messed up.  A citizen requests specific
information via email to a public employee in charge of that information and
gets a response.   Most people call that good government.  You see something
wrong in that???  Isn't that what's supposed to happen?

As far as posting that information online goes...what's the problem with that? 
Was it super secret information?  Did MJ put "for Your Eyes Only" in the header? 
Can you imagine for a minute asking a question of a politician or public
employee and getting an answer like; "I'll answer your public info request but
only if you promise not to tell anyone else."  Is that your idea of good
government?

Maybe you should compile a list of good people and bad people.  Then you can set
up our town email so that only the people you deem worthy get responses.  We can
then make email filters on all town computers so that the bad people's emails go
right into the spam folder.  Is that what you want?  Would that be your idea of
good government at work?

But seriously, unless you have an example of someone requesting information from
MJ and that info being withheld you should shut up and stop with the conspiracy
theories.  Why are you wasting your time attacking Town Managers before they are
hired?  You'll have plenty of time to do that after we actually hire one.  No
wonder why we have so few candidates from which to choose...lower pay...constant
personal attacks and false accusations.  This town doesn't need a Town Manager,
it needs an enema!
5:14 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

I want to preface my statements about Michelle J., that  I have never
spoken to her, other than a "Hi, how are you?"  She seemed pleasant and polite,
but that's it.  So I've never had any exchanges with her other than what I
previously indicated.

But what I see from the e-mail trail, and that's all the info I have, is that
she seems to answer expeditiously and thoroughly, the questions of one
Provincetown resident.

If past requests for information from other members of the Provincetown
community have been selectively ignored by her, delayed unreasonably, or replied
to with deliberate misleading information, then I would find her candidacy
problematic.  But I can't conclude any of this from her e-mail exchanges with
Candy N.  I just can't see it.

So unless posters can document how Michelle J. provided services to Candy in a
way that is far different from how she provides services to other town
residents, it seems to me that there's no support for the argument that she
would be giving preferential treatment to Candy, were she to become our Town
Manager.  Just saying...
5:11 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager Candidate

Michele would be an exellent T own Manager, she was an
assistant to Keith for a few years. She also took over for him when he was away.
She knows the town very well. You don't need to go out of town.
5:09 pm edt 

Prospective Town Manager Candidate

Did someone say Dan Hoort as a possible Town Manager??
hahahahahahabahahahahaha!
5:06 pm edt 

Re: I Predict the Following

I also predict that we will not find our Manager in this group,
however that does not make us desparate, the BOS and Fincom can run the town
temporarily, don't even mention the      Dan Hoort for the job, he won't last
much longer in the finance position.
5:05 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

The current "Housing Specialist", Michelle J. is questionable as an
housing advocate, now we would promote her to Town Manager? Please don't do
that, it would be a major error in judgement and will put the town behind again
as the good old boy network continues. Start fresh. Let Truro have her. She has
had her chance to shine here, and unless I missed something, nothings changed!
5:03 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager Candidates

"I've seen Town employees come and go during my 45 years in
Provincetown and I can assure you that local people are best suited to work for
us."



You can claim anything you choose and assure as much as you want, but it is
still only your opinion, with which many will disagree.
5:00 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

"And God knows the town has plenty of "gadflies", but most are benign,
not toxic."



One of the more interesting posts.  We sure do have lots of gadflies, but we
need to know more about the "toxic" form.  How do we know toxic?  Who defines
toxic?  You, inour opinion, I suspect.
4:57 pm edt 

RE: I Predict the Following

"If they are smart they will sit down with David Gardner (and possibly Dan
Hoort) and ask what it would take for them to take on the position."


I predict the following: The only interview to be given to Dan Hoort will be an
exit interview. Seriously how can you even say this? The man is a complete
menace...and there's enough in the email we have to shock the entire town into
demanding his departure. If you think anyone entangled with Nagle needs to go,
look no further than Hoort, her stooge extraordinaire. Those releases have only
begun...
4:55 pm edt 

Re: I Predict the Following

". . .Left with only one or two candidates the Provincetown BOS will
fire the consultant and start the process all over again.

If they are smart they will sit down with David Gardner (and possibly Dan Hoort)
and ask what it would take for them to take on the position.  I don't think
Gardner would take it on unless he was given a very strong 2nd in command,
possibly Hoort or vice versa.  I don't know if Hoort would consider it . . ."



If the scenario plays out as you predict they would be wise to talk to Gardner
and Hoort.  They are pretty much doing the job now.  Even if one of them agreed
to do it for three years it would get us through the current mess we are in.

If the current process does not give us a town manager it will be almost
impossible to get good candidates to apply the 2nd time around.
4:31 pm edt 

VFW Building

Is it true that the previous Board of Selectmen received an engineer's
report with an assessment of the condition of the VFW building and adjacent land
for affordable housing development, noting a critical limitation that, if
affordable housing were to be developed, the lot was land locked, and needed a
separate exit for fire and life safety purposes?

The only alternative was to purchase additional abutting land and/or easements
from abutters who may be unwilling to do this.

Have we been hoodwinked again?

FINCOM, please look into this matter.
4:29 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

I was not complaining about the library mins. I was simply asking the
question "why"
I do not know the answer, I do not know much about the library and still no one
has answered it for me.
Maybe if I wrote it this way, I could get answers.

1. Does the Library have to post mins?

2. Why are they not posting their mins?

3. Is it illegal for them not too?

4. How can we "make" them post their mins?

I called the library and asked these questions but was not given an answer. I
was told to "hold please" and then the line was disconnected. If I can get the
answers to these questions, then I go up further up (Town Hall) to make this
happen,

Thanks
4:27 pm edt 

Cape Cod Times - Nantucket School District Article

The Cape Cod Times ran an excellent and extensive front page article
on Saturday, September 13, on the Nantucket School District which has been
experiencing rapid enrollment over the past several years due to the foreign
workers'(Eastern Europeans, Brazilians, Jamaicans, Mexicans, etc.) choosing to
stay and live on the island year round. Their children are increasingly born on
the island.

The article describes the tremendous impact which this large number and the
demographic change are having on the island's school district in terms of
educational needs, facilities and costs, e.g., English as a second language,
special needs education, cultural adjustments, etc.

MYPACC should publish this article because it provides an exact description of
the changing demographic of the Provincetown School District and attendant
implications for the future in terms of programming, costs and facilities.

The FinCom should read the article and examine the implications of the article
from the standpoint of future enrollment, costs, facility needs and its
congruence with the espoused baccalaureate program whose goals might be
difficult to achieve for the entire school population when the basic learning
need is the English language and culture in the school system for a large number
of students and its impact on small-size classroom learning.

While some on this blog advocate to send our elementary school students to other
towns, I don't foresee this as a possibility, even if excess capacity exists in
other school systems, due to the large number of special educational needs of
our students.

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4:10 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager Candidates

"I've seen Town employees come and go during my 45 years in
Provincetown and I can assure you that local people are best suited to work
for us. "



I agree local people would be best, but non corrupt local people and as it
seems, there are not many left. Or those that do not have an agenda for their
own personal gain.  We need someone who loves this town, who wants this town to
succeed, who can help the locals and second homeowners, who does not want to
shut down the school and can bring peace back to this once upon a time, peaceful
town where everyone seemed to get along and help everyone out. Now it seems we
have back stabbers and "Just move if you don't like it here" attitude and people
who are only out to achieve things for themselves. This is a tiny town with a
small amount of year rounders that it seems that a lot of people here forget
about. Yes we do contribute to this town, we live here, shop here, support our
school here, support our local stores and when everyone else leaves their
"playground" we are still here. Come on folks, lets do the right thing here and
get it right this time.
4:06 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

"Michelle was doing what any governmental official should do - answer
questions
from the public.

Isn't this EXACTLY what the people of Provincetown have been chasing for the
past couple of years, transparency and open government? So she responded to
someone you don't like and that person then took the info and posted it to a
publicly viewable internet page where the public could see information provided
by the town. Is that so bad?  All of the info in the email could be read in the
article to day in the CCTimes regarding affordable housing in Truro. Where's the
collusion? Where's the malicious intent? Should the government now deny answers
to questions from the public or just from those that people in here feel are bad
people? Come on folks, we're starting to eat our own. "



No, she (Michelle) should have said to go to the website and request information
like every other citizen here. Isn't that what someone on the police force asked
Nagle to do? I am sorry but Michelle J is not right for Town Manager, and yes if
she was involved with Candance Nagle she should definitely be "chopped" off the
list of candidates. Its not like Nagle was an Selectman exchanging emails with a
town employee, she was a citizen like the rest of us. Why was she allowed such
special treatment? Seems fishy to me and to all who associated with her. Birds
of a feather, flock together. Get rid of them all.
4:03 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

"I don't see anything wrong with Michelle J answering the written
requests for
information from our former "Gadfly in residence"."



I see everything wrong with this, and also she should not be a candidate for
Town Manager. We just went through a horrific problem with these kind of people,
we do not need to have this again.

First of all, the were "email requests" not written requests) responding to the
public is one thing, but can you imagine if the entire town emailed the town
manager or the selectman do you think they would personally respond to everyone?
Of course not, they all responded to Nagle. Like who the hell is she? If she
wanted info, google it herself like most people here have too. Or go to Town
Hall and request it and WAIT for the info like everyone else. The fact that she
so readily provided Nagle the information is disturbing, Why was everyone so
afraid of the women and  were at her beck and call? Makes you wonder huh? I am
sorry, No Michelle J for me. If she is elected, this town obviously has not
learned their lesson.
4:00 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

I do not see a problem with Michelle Jarusiewicz, the town housing
specialist, answering an email about the number of affordable housing units in
town.  Ms. Jarusiewicz was simply answering a question and in doing so she was
just doing her job.  I see nothing wrong with that.  Perhaps some have a problem
with the person asking the question.  Town employees have a responsibility to
answer questions posed to them regardless of who is asking the question.
3:56 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

Every bit of information Michelle sent Candace was public information. 
She used her Provincetown Government email address and she did what any
responsible civil servant would do and replied to the emails.  Thought you guys
were going to be different, but it's the same old same old.  Attack attack
attack.
3:51 pm edt 

Sunday, September 14, 2014

If Nagle is in Jarurewicz's Camp

We do not need her here. We have been through this and now here is Nagle again
and with Michelle answering questions. Why? why would anyone when they are
candidates for a position.  If there is any scintilla of links between Michelle
and Candace, then there is no way this woman should be town manager.

This is insane! If Nagle sneaks in  through her         --and this would not be
the first time--then goodby. she is disqualified.
We do not need another        a      !
1:13 pm edt 

I Predict the Following:

Truro BOS interviews candidates this week, Provincetown the following week.  MJ
be offered and accept the Truro position and won't even interview for the
Provincetown position.

One or more of the remaining candidates will drop out of consideration for the
Provincetown position.

Left with only one or two candidates the Provincetown BOS will fire the
consultant and start the process all over again.

If they are smart they will sit down with David Gardner (and possibly Dan Hoort)
and ask what it would take for them to take on the position.  I don't think
Gardner would take it on unless he was given a very strong 2nd in command,
possibly Hoort or vice versa.  I don't know if Hoort would consider it and I
think the BOS might consider him too controversial.  But, insiders know Gardner
and Hoort could take this town to the next level with a no nonsense approach.
1:10 pm edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

Dear Poster of that email - Can't you wait until AFTER they pick the Town
Manager to publish what you find? After all, this is the ONE THING that they
will do that will define their entire terms as Selectmen. If they cause more
problems, they're finished in politics in this town in an ending not unlike the
last one. So stand by in case they don't choose wisely and publish what you have
THEN. You'd think they'd all be thinking the house needs a complete cleaning.
Maybe they aren't. But if they blow this one, the house will get cleaned and
they along with it.
10:28 am edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

"I don't see anything wrong with Michelle J answering the written requests for
information from our former "Gadfly in residence"."


You know, I read this answer this morning and thought "well, sure under normal
circumstances but..." When I see these posts, I just think "didn't anyone at
town hall see anything wrong with this?" For example, if someone emails me and I
answer, I assume that the correspondence is for personal reasons *unless I'm
told otherwise*. If I saw my words reprinted ANYWHERE without my permission, it
would be the last time I answered the person. And this was printed as "official
response" with no email stating from anyone, anywhere, that it was OK to publish
as such. In fact, all of the town's emails come with a line that says
"republication is prohibited" or something to that effect. Unless there is an
email in the chain that says "hang while I ask if it's ok for you to publish my
answer as an official", Michelle J was wrong to do this.

And God knows the town has plenty of "gadflies", but most are benign, not toxic.
Knowing who falls under what category would seem to be criteria number one for
the job of Town Manager, so this distresses me to think that we have someone
under consideration who clearly did not. And I agree with the original poster:
anyone who has any connection with this person or any direct involvement in the
sins of the past should be disqualified. Period. What are we nuts? We just went
through all this and we're going to pick "more of the same"? Will this new crop
on the  board of selectmen, instead of choosing a full flush of the past, just
pick yet another town hall insider? Did we all vote for "more of the same" or
did we all clearly vote to shake things up? Enough! Just SAY NO to any inside
candidate. Maybe we should start a protest again.
10:27 am edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

- Michelle was doing what any governmental official should do - answer questions
from the public.

Isn't this EXACTLY what the people of Provincetown have been chasing for the
past couple of years, transparency and open government? So she responded to
someone you don't like and that person then took the info and posted it to a
publicly viewable internet page where the public could see information provided
by the town. Is that so bad?  All of the info in the email could be read in the
article to day in the CCTimes regarding affordable housing in Truro. Where's the
collusion? Where's the malicious intent? Should the government now deny answers
to questions from the public or just from those that people in here feel are bad
people? Come on folks, we're starting to eat our own.
9:28 am edt 

Town Manager Candidates

Have we learned nothing in the past half dozen years or so?? Only a local person
with local knowledge and local experience can understand local problems and come
up with solutions that fit.
Just because someone is from the outside does not mean that they know any more
than a local candidate. Just because they have experience from somewhere else,
i.e. PA or NH, does not mean that they are capable of understanding and dealing
with our unique community.
I've seen Town employees come and go during my 45 years in Provincetown and I
can assure you that local people are best suited to work for us.
9:26 am edt 

School System

For those of you that do not think funds should be spent on education, to you I
say this: remember, you were once a pupil who needed an education and got it
from those who supported your school system to educate you and just maybe their
were elderly or someone who never had children yet paid in to make sure you
received an education. So, please stop trying to take education from other
children who deserve one too!
9:24 am edt 

Switch School Buildings - Get Rid of Superintendent

I do not think people want to close the elementary school, they may
just want kids out of the old high school. Move the entire dpw and police
department into that building. Also, Beth Singer is not good for the school in
this community. She is very abrasive, lives in another school district and is
just plane nasty.        
9:23 am edt 

Sunday, September 14, 2014

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

- I don't see anything wrong with Michelle J answering the written
requests for information from our former "Gadfly in residence".

- Michelle was doing what any governmental official should do - answer questions
from the public.

- Most likely staff had checked with Sharon L., and she didn't raise any
objections to staff answering this one single individual's incessant questions,
for the purpose of postings on this individuals' Facebook page.

- And Michelle wasn't the only one that received the Gadfly's inquiries, as we
now all know from the e-mails obtained.

- Yikes!
12:33 am edt 

Re: A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

After reading the written requests submitted by Candy to our town
government staff, all I can say is:  Poor Truro.
12:26 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

Just to clarify, the library trustees don't hire the library director,
the town manager does. The board recommended a candidate, and the TM agreed with
that, but it was his decision, not theirs.
9:26 pm edt 

A Town Manager Candidate Cooperating with Nagle?

What's Next?

Why does this email talk about posting to the Facebook "Community Page" when it
was never an official town page? Why was Jarusiewicz allowing this to happen
without anyone else cc'd on the email? Why didn't she ask her not to
specifically post her email without a clearance from her boss? More collusion?
More people who just unquestioningly gave Nagle anything she wanted at Town
Hall? What are we setting up, another Sharon Lynn and another tenure of
disaster?

This is why we need an outsider as Town Manager. ANYONE with a cozy relationship
with Nagle should be immediately disqualified. Our legacy of this is all the
acrimony and problems the town now faces, along with the legal bills and other
entanglements. I'm all for affordable housing etc, but this CLEARLY shows a
complete lack of judgement when dealing with that woman Nagle.

From: Candace Nagle
To: Michelle Jarusiewicz
Subject: RE: 10% reduction in affordable housing last ten years?
Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:33:11 PM

Thanks Michelle. Just posted on Ptown Community & Politics.

Candace

From: Michelle Jarusiewicz
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:12 PM
To: 'Candace Nagle'
Subject: RE: 10% reduction in affordable housing last ten years?

There are several factors that influence the numbers.
1st -- all units have deed restrictions with expiration dates. For many years we
were able to add units to the SHI through the housing rehab program with a 10 or
15 year restriction. When the restriction expired, the unit comes off the list.
Most of those units are now expired and off the list. Another factor in the
percentage is the denominator which is based on the federal 10-year census of
how many year-round units that we have. In 2000, we had 2062 year-round units;
now we have 2122  a gain of 60 which is a good thing, but it does change the
math.

No. of Date Units Percentage
10/1/2001 135 6.55%
3/1/2004 160 7.76%
1/18/2005 130 6.30%
1/16/2007 128 6.20%
9/8/2008 128 6.20%
9/29/2009 117 5.70%
2/2/2010 127 6.16%
8/3/2011 124 5.84%
213 10%

Michelle Jarusiewicz
Town of Provincetown Community Housing Specialist & Grant Administrator
Support Local Affordable Housing
Working together works.

From: Candace Nagle
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:43 AM
To: Michelle Jarusiewicz Subject: 10% reduction in affordable housing last ten
years?

Morning Michelle,
I posted the Cape chart on facebook yesterday and Rick Campell posted a good
question looking at it: We had nearly a 10 reduction in affordable units over
the past 10 years. How is that? Michelle can you explain that because if one
person is asking many more probably are too.

Thanks, Candace

From: Michelle Jarusiewicz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:47 PM
To: 'Candace Nagle'
Subject: RE: info req

Attached is a chart for the Cape and below is the states link with everyones
numbers. As you can see in 2012, Truro had 0.9% and Wellfleet had 2.2%. There
are communities that have 0 and there are communities with greater than 10%
http://www.mass.gov/hed/docs/dhcd/hd/shi/shiinventory.pdf

Michelle Jarusiewicz
Town of Provincetown Community Housing Specialist & Grant Administrator
508/487-7087
Support Local Affordable Housing
Working together works.

From: Candace Nagle
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:33 PM
To: Michelle Jarusiewicz
Subject: RE: info req

Great info and easy for folks to understand. I have downloaded it to my page.

Michelle, where does Provincetown stand roughly vs. other communities in
achieving the State mandate of 10%? Are there any sourced documents comparing MA
communities? That would really help. I think the Town has done an amazing job.
But until your email just now, I didnt know how even know how amazing and I
follow Town government closely! Providing info how Ptown measures up to other
communities would be really helpful.

Thanks, Candace

From: Michelle Jarusiewicz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:08 PM
To: 'Candace Nagle'
Subject: RE: info req

The States 40B guidelines set a minimum of 10% of year-round units as deed
restricted in accordance with their regulations as affordable.
10% for Provincetown would be 213 units. We currently have 5.84% [124 units] on
the 40B SHI [Subsidized Housing Inventory]. I have submitted documentation for
both 83 and 90 Shank Painter Road developments which should bring us to 8.67%
[184 units] [note that 5 units at 83 SP were already on the list]. Once Stable
Path is completed [it is in the pipeline for funding], we will have an
additional 18 units, and assuming that no units expire, that will bring us to
202 units at 9.52%.
We will then need at least 11 more units on that list to get to 10%.

The units are scattered across town and the majority are rentals.

Michelle Jarusiewicz
Town of Provincetown Community Housing Specialist & Grant Administrator
508/487-7087
Support Local Affordable Housing
Working together works.

From: Candace Nagle
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:51 AM
To: Michelle Jarusiewicz Subject: info req

Morning Michelle,
Could you please provide me with information about the number of affordable
units Provincetown should be providing according to the State? How many units
Provincetown now has in total? How many more the Town should have to meet State
guidelines or a State mandate? And a breakdown of where they are and if they are
condos or rentals? There is a lot of confusion in the community and I thought I
would provide accurate info on my group page, Ptown Community & Politics, that
have 553 members.
Thank you,
Candace Nagle
9:24 pm edt 

School Not Going Anywhere

OH SOMEONE PLEASE CHANGE THE SUBJECT. THE SCHOOL ISNT GOING ANYWHERE.
GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS. IT JUST BECAME THE ONLY K-8TH IB SCHOOL IN ALL
OF MASS AND YOU THINK ITS GOING TO CLOSE NOW. HAHAHAHA. DONT MESS WITH A CHILDS
EDUCATION AND IF YOU DO, THERE IS A SPECIAL PLACE FOR YOU TO GO TO. AND NO, WE
ARE NOT GOING TO BUS OUR CHILDREN ANYWHERE. PLEASE ADMIN, CHANGE THE SUBJECT
ALREADY!!!!!
9:19 pm edt 

School System is a Joke

"Sorry to say but the educational system here is a joke. It is a game
to bring profits to administrators--but little to the students in our system.
They are pawns and I am sadden by this academic mess.

It should never have been like this---however---it is!"


I am NOT sorry to say this but you are absolutory wrong on this one. The
academics that my child is learning in this school is fantastic. Above and
beyond any school that I have been a part of. I of course cannot mention my name
or I will be "pitch forked" out of this town (sad) but I have "seen" many
different schools, here in Mass and other states and this one is amazing. I
don't know why you think its a joke, I am not sure if you just had a bad
experience with the school, but let me reassure you, the children at
Provincetown Schools are learning by far, higher than most other schools. You
may be somewhat right about the profit thing but the children ARE learning at an
extremely high rate. They definitely are not pawns in my eyes if they are
receiving an amazing education.
9:18 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public School

"Now you have seniors in rooms built for young children and the
space is for a school and not for recreation and seniors.

Ridiculous."
10:33 am edt


What's ridiculous is that you think the "seniors" are in little tiny rooms. Do
you think the ceilings are lower or something? Or that they sit in little desks?
I literally laughed out loud when I read this.
The "seniors" have a wonderful cafeteria area where the dining is actually nicer
than most restaurants here, and the building is also handicapped accessible and
as far as the Recreation, they have a wonderful playground outside and also use
of the gymnasium. I wonder if you have ever been inside of the facility and if
you had, I don't think you would of written what you wrote.
9:14 pm edt 

We Had the Grace Goveia Building for Senior Citizens and DPW

Dear Ridiculous,

Where have you been? Asleep on the beach or simply absent from time and town?

I hope you don't start in on the library. I'm sure that's next!
9:12 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Educational System is a Joke

"Sorry to say but the educational system here is a joke. It is a game
to bring profits to administrators--but little to the students in our system.
They are pawns and I am sadden by this academic mess."



Please offer something better than the word "joke".  Have you attended?  Dou you
have kids that do?  What do you mean by "joke"?  The school system is part of
the government of Ptown.  Governments are not in the profit business, so what do
you mean by "profits to the administrators?  What are we or you missing here?
9:10 pm edt 

Police Station

Thank you Vince Currier for saying what many of us in town are too
afraid to say - NO new police station right now! Vince speaks for many of us
when he says "I don't believe the voters are in the mood to spend 7.5 million on
a new police station when we have so many other critical areas of need.  This
station will suffice while other more important priorities are dealt with."   We
just keep giving to the police. They have TWO more new police cars, for Pete's
sake!!  Jaran is gone, gone, gone.  We don't hear the police complaining
anymore.  Leave well enough alone and let's get our town budget in order! Cross
the 7.5 million-dollars-we-don't-have-to-spend OFF the list for now, PLEASE
9:07 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public School

We Had the Grace Goveia Building for Senior citizens and DPW

and we had the elementary school for students. We should have left things as
they were.  It was another poor decision by Sharon Lynn and there were few gains
in this move. Now you have seniors in rooms built for young children and the
space is for a school and not for recreation and seniors.

Ridiculous.
10:33 am edt 

Provincetown Police Citizens Police Academy

Thursday is Deadline for Provincetown Police Citizens Police Academy

PROVINCETOWN - The Provincetown Police Department would like to remind citizens
that the Community Oriented Policing Citizens Police Academy is getting close
and the deadline to apply is next Thursday September 18th.

The objective of this program is to allow our community members to learn about
and observe the workings of their police department first hand. Participants
will be instructed by members of the department in a variety of subjects. These
subjects will be taught in various settings and will include hands-on
experience. The key to the success of this program is the enthusiasm and
participation that you bring to our Citizens Police Academy presentation.

The Academy will be held at the police station once a week for eight weeks.
Sessions run on Thursdays starting September 25th 2014 from 6:00 p.m. to 8:30
p.m. Some classes will be held at other locations.

Each student will participate in a ride-along with an officer during their
patrol. We would like all students to attend every class with the understanding
that sometimes this isnt possible.


10:28 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Public School

Sorry to say but the educational system here is a joke. It is a game to
bring profits to administrators--but little to the students in our system.
They are pawns and I am sadden by this academic mess.

It should never have been like this---however---it is!
10:26 am edt 

Friday, September 12, 2014

Re: From an Academic Perspective

"From an educational standardt he school fails. it is costing us
millions for a few students and no--no-high school. Please, we should not be
hiring superintendents and high paying administrators to oversee child care and
baby sitting services. This is what bothers me, as it seems to bother some
others members of our community.

I'm always upset to see Beth Singer stand there at town meetings pontificating
and when her budget gets approved---she's out the door. she is not here for
other issues and she and many school related people leave and never return
until--the next town meeting."



So let's get this straight, you think that schools don't educate, but merely
provide babysitting services.  In you case it might have been true.  You say
"superintendents"  with a plural s.  Do you mean that?  You say "high paying
administrators".  Do you meanly highly paid or do our administrators actually
pay people?  In either case what id your idea of proper pay?

maybe I am wrong, but doesn't Beth Singer live elsewhere?   If I'm correct that
means that she can't vote or even speak.
And, she drags out "many" school related people.  Are they voters?  How many are
many?  Did you take their names to share with us?  Or, as I suspect, is this
another post full of misinformation and ignorance and plain old BS?
3:59 pm edt 

From an Academic Perspective

From an educational standardt he school fails. it is costing us millions for a few
students and no--no-high school. Please, we should not be hiring superintendents and
high paying administrators to oversee child care and baby sitting services. This is what
bothers me, as it seems to bother some others members of our community.

I'm always upset to see Beth Singer stand there at town meetings pontificating
and when her budget gets approved---she's out the door. she is not here for
other issues and she and many school related people leave and never return
until--the next town meeting.

It is tragic.
10:57 am edt 

Mooring Fees

It's time for the Pier Corp. to find out why the Harbormaster hasn't gone after
mooring holders who havent paid for their moorings this year and why he hasn't
collected fines for those who paid for their moorings after the late date.  Just
take a boat ride in the mooring field and see for yourself the number of mooring
balls that don't have this years sticker on them and check out boats on moorings
without this years sticker.  Talk to his Asst. Harbormasters on why the
Harbormaster doesn't have them enforce the harbor regs.  Why is this person
still in charge and Why is the Pier Corp. allowing his incompentence.
10:54 am edt 

School vs Police Station

Closing the school is probably a good idea. Time to bus the kids to
Truro and make the school a police station. Win, win.
10:52 am edt 

What Elementary School?

Someone posted that the school age children here shouldn't be in the
High School Building,they should be in the Elementary School! What Elementary
School? We no longer have one! it was given to the Community at large for other
Community uses such as the Senior Center  and other various uses but no longer
to be used as a school! Where have you been?
10:51 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

" the BOLT is not accountable to anyone but the voters."



Wrong. The Board of Library Trustees is accountable to the entire town even
those that can't or don't vote.  That board need a clean slate with no history,
a clean and clear mission, transparency, and energy.  And they have to stop
forcing out good trustees.
10:49 am edt 

Thursday, September 11, 2014

Re: Provincetown Public School

I think it's time to change the topic on here about the school because
in all reality it isn't going any where. I think a very tiny group of people
have there panties in a wad because they just plain ole don't like children and
don't want their tax dollars to go to a child's education. Pretty sad and
actually I feel sorry for these simple minded people. They are just angry
because they didn't get there way to build condos in a historical building. Oh
boo hoo.  Get over yourself,  find a new hobby.  Let this one go. The school
stays. It is thriving so much that these panty huggers are getting more angry.
Oh well. They will find something new to complain about soon enough. The school
is fantastic and I hope it is here for 100 more years! To the school staff,
students, parents,etc, Keep up the good work and congratulations! !!!  Yea! Go
fisherman!!!! I personally am looking forward to start going to the soccer games
and watching the smiles on the children's and parent!
s faces and the winter concert is fantastic. I wonder if they will be putting
on a new play this year? I am so excited,  it's going to be a great school year.
11:51 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public School

"Another million dollars pissed away on the high school building to fix
the heating system! The most expensive daycare center ever."


Wow, can you urinate money?? You are not a very nice person. Even if it cost a
million dollars, I highly doubt you participated. You just like to sit behind
the safety of your computer screen where no one can see you and say awful things
on an anonymous site.
11:01 pm edt 

The High School Building Should Have Been Closed

Not repointed for $1 million and a staff kept there at a high cost. the students
should have stayed in the elementary building but there were plans for town
departments to take these buildings over in collusion with the school staff.

They pretend we have a viable school system but it is more wee care and pee care
with a sad smattering of other students. And the budget is around $3.6 million. 
It was $4 million when we had a real and active high school and an elementary system.

Now it is pretense with a select group feeding off the trough. the system is
broken. The real school has closed. Let us all say goodbye!
10:54 pm edt 

I Think It is Illegal for the Library Not to Have Minutes

Each board, commission and even ad hoc groups must have minutes and they
must be posted. if the Library Trustees are behind in their minutes or too lazy to
post them, there is something wrong. They are accountable to the public and must
document their meetings and then, yes, post the results.

They are not exempt.
8:30 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

PROVINCETOWN PUBLIC LIBRARY TRUSTEES

"I always read on here that the library does not post minutes. Can anyone explain
why?"



Why? Because the BOLT is not accountable to anyone but the voters. If you don't
like their actions, don't vote for them. Recall them. Force them to leave town.
But don't think your complaints on this post are going to do anything. When it
comes to the library, it's up to the BOLT.

Vote at the next election. Let your voice be head. We still have a voice
7:46 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public School

Of course I can put a price on heat for the 100 plus children that
should all be in the elementary school and it is not a million friggin dollars.
Get out of the high school building. Let it go school committee, you crazy
people.
7:44 pm edt 

Provincetown

THiS Town makes me laugh.  So glad I moved here from another state.
People here are so funny.   When I was just a vacationer here everyone was so
nice but now I live here and all people in town do is bitch. No one is happy.
What happened why are people so unhappy

Honey, it's the water ...
7:42 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public School

Re: "I think combining schools is not the answer."


It may not be the answer right now, but at some point when the cost per student
becomes greater than or equal to the cost of room, board and tuition at a decent
prep school, we have to consider the question;  Are we serving our students or
are we serving the bureaucracy behind our current system as our primary goal. 
Would our children get a better education in our small town or would we be
better off sending them to a school where they would get a better education?
7:41 pm edt 

Re: This Town Makes Me Laugh

This Town makes you laugh? So tell me what has changed since before
you moved here and since you moved here? Oh thats right, you moved here.

A Rat In The Basement
7:38 pm edt 

Re: FinCom

"The Charter has left the duties of the Finance Committee vague
because MA State Law provides for the creation of one for any town whose tax
collection is more than 1M per year. Furthermore, if you just scroll up on the
page, all of therelevant material is printed for people like you who constantly
scream about the Finance Committee because you either a) don't like Mary-Jo
or b) don't like some people on the committee or c) don't like citizen oversight."



The Charter is not vague and coupled with the by-laws and state law say exactly
what the FinCom is responsible for.  It has been pointed out earlier that the
stuff at the top of the page is NOT LAW.  The Charter, by-laws and state law are
the only laws.  The rest is all opinion and generalizations that are not
SPECIFIC to Ptown.

In addition, none of your three points applies.  Mary Jo is not on the FinCom
and she should not make any attempt to influence (I'm sure that she does not), 
I couldn't care less about the people on the board.  I am not sure that I know
what "citizen oversight" is.  I think that all people on boards are citizens. 
All BOS members are citizens.  All members at town meeting are citizens. I'm a
citizen and most everyone I know are citizens. SO, maybe you could clarify just
who you mean.  Do you mean just people of whom you approve as being worthy?
7:36 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public School

"The important question is how much money are we spending per student
and would we get more bang for our buck and a better education for our students by
combining with other low population cape towns and combining schools?"



I think combining schools is not the answer. The children have an option to go
to Nauset middle if they choose. And they will have to go eventually to another
school for high school since the town no longer has one. I think there is
nothing wrong with having a small fantastic school in our town. Most people here
agree. Also I would rather my tax dollars go for a childs education than for
most of the other ridiculous spending here.
2:51 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public School

"Another million dollars pissed away on the high school building to fix
the heating system! The most expensive daycare center ever.
10:40 am edt"



How can you put a price on providing heat for children?? What are you, some kind
of monster, because it certainly sounds like it. Jesus Christ, do you sit in
your dwelling with no heat and freeze your ass off? I sincerely hope you do not
live in this town and you should be ashamed of yourself if you do. And it is
also definitely not a day care. It is an international baccalaureate school.
Probably something you have never heard of or attended.
2:48 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public School

"Here is what I can tell you:
8th grade is up 40%
1st grade is up 37.5% and has the largest class in the school
All other grades have either maintained, grown by 1 or 2 students or have a
loss of 1 or 2 students."



What are you trying to hide by using percentages instead of discrete numbers. 
1rst grade is up 37.8% and is the largest in the school.  Exaclty how large is
that?  5 students, 10 students, 30 students?  Your statstics are meaningless
without real numbers.

8th grade is up 40%??? that means nothing to me?  If there were two students and
you got two more it would be up 100%.  does that mean we should spend a million
dollars to educate 4 students?

The important question is how much money are we spending per student and would
we get more bang for our buck and a better education for our students by
combining with other low population cape towns and combining schools?
11:49 am edt 

Happy Birthday!!!

HAPPY,HAPPY, HAPPY 100TH BIRTHDAY FLYER SANTOS

What a great celebration yesterday. what a wonderful birthday for Flyer at
Bubala's. The guests were many; the wishes heartfelt; the family so united and
enthusiastic. What a legacy Mr. Santos and what a fun-filled day.

And MaryJo that carrot cake was most delicious and so was the Kale soup!

A great celebration for a most honorable man! Keep on sailing, Flyer! You make
us proud!
10:47 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Public School
Another million dollars pissed away on the high school building to fix
the heating system! The most expensive daycare center ever.
10:40 am edt 

Provincetown Public School

I READ THIS AND THOUGHT THIS IS AMAZING. EVERYONE SHOULD BE EXTREMELY
PROUD OF OUR SCHOOL, AND ANOTHER REASON WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING OUR SCHOOL. :)


I cannot find the total increase over last year's enrollment. It is difficult
because like every school in the country, we see kids coming and going all year
round. Families move, mostly because of the lack of affordable housing or a
change in career, etc.

Here is what I can tell you:
8th grade is up 40%
1st grade is up 37.5% and has the largest class in the school
All other grades have either maintained, grown by 1 or 2 students or have a
loss of 1 or 2 students.


Our new 2nd grade teacher comes to us from Berlin, Germany where she taught for
several years in an IB school. Our new 4th grade teacher comes with 10+ years
experience in Central Mass. Our new Performing Arts teacher comes to us from the
Truro Central School. Our school is stronger than ever. Pre-K through grade 8
students are learning Spanish as a second language. Starting in Kindergarten all
students start learning the violin. Our MCAS scores from the spring are WAY WAY
WAY UP!!! The specific results will be made public in the next month or so.

Please keep in mind. The goal of the Provincetown School Committee and the
Provincetown Schools Administration is to provide the best education possible to
our children, NOT to bring in children from neighboring towns. Thanks to the
state's adoption of school choice, we are benefitting from those families who
choose to send their children to an IB World School.

Everyone in this town should be proud of the outstanding education we are
providing our children. We had a series of meet and greets at the school last
year where a good number of year-round residents met with the adminstration,
school committee members and some parents to learn more about the school. Their
suggestions, comments and ideas proved to be extremely valuable to our school.
I, for one, am grateful to year rounders and second homers for supporting our
schools and for believing that a strong school is an assett to our town.

If you want to learn more about the schools please contact Principal Kim Pike at
508-487-5020. She will be more than happy to talk with you and provide a tour of
the school. You can also talk with me or any of our Provincetown School
Committee members. While we may not have ALL the answers we can definitely help
you to find what you are looking for. And please, come to one of our monthly
School Committee meetings. Share your thoughts and ideas. Offer words of
encouragement. Choose to volunteer. The school is for all of us.
9:59 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

"Maybe if the Library Trustees posted their minutes, we'd have some
idea of what's going on.  Once again, it's been more than three months since
minutes were posted.  Does anyone on that board have any sense of
responsibility? "



I always read on here that the library does not post minutes. Can anyone explain
why? I mean aren't they supposed too?? And if they are, what can we do to make
them post their minutes? This seems ridiculous esp if it has indeed been 3
months!!
9:56 am edt 

Wednesday, September 10, 2014

Happy Birthday!

Happy birthday to Mr. Santos (Flyer's)!

You have been blessed with a long fruitful 100 years.
11:58 pm edt 

Provincetown

THiS Town makes me laugh.  So glad I moved here from another state. 
People here are so funny.   When I was just a vacationer here everyone was so
nice but now I live here and all people in town do is bitch. No one is happy. 
What happened why are people so unhappy
11:54 pm edt 

Re: FinCom

"The ONLY legal source of authority is the Ptown Charter..."


WRONG WRONG WRONG.

The Charter has left the duties of the Finance Committee vague because MA State
Law provides for the creation of one for any town whose tax collection is more
than 1M per year. Furthermore, if you just scroll up on the page, all of the
relevant material is printed for people like you who constantly scream about the
Finance Committee because you either a) don't like Mary-Jo or b) don't like some
people on the committee or c) don't like citizen oversight. Too bad. Also you
should know what you can propose any changes you want, but it also has to pass
the AG and the State for any Charter items relative to statutory committees, and
the Finance Committee is a Statutory Committee. So good luck with your tirades
on this. And people in town aren't stupid when it comes to these rants either.
Everyone knows who's behind them now. Wait until the rest of the emails come
out, then everyone will REALLY know what was going on.
8:27 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

Maybe if the Library Trustees posted their minutes, we'd have some
idea of what's going on.  Once again, it's been more than three months since
minutes were posted.  Does anyone on that board have any sense of
responsibility?
8:24 pm edt 

Provincetown Public Library

Any word on a new library director?  It's about time the trustees
barely examine their two candidates and make a random decision about which poor 
         gets the job.
11:34 am edt 

Council vs Counsel

A council is a committee elected to lead or govern.
Counsel is advice (usually legal advice).
To counsel is to advise.
10:02 am edt 

Tuesday, September 9, 2014

Please, Another Heading

Call it townies' Get a Break. Call it "the game is over." but please no more
Residential ax exemption headings. this has to go. It is tiring. Call it Dan
Hoort's Idea or fincom is getting to you. but I cannot stand one more response
with this heading. Innovate. Be creative. Stop this dull repetitive heading.
11:15 pm edt 

Please, Let's Move on - None of the Above

"I hope we do not pick anyone from the three who are in the running
for town manager. when Sharon Lynn was selected, there were five candidates and
all publicly interviewed. she was the weakest of the group, mumbling her way
through. but she had friends in key positions and the vote went to her. Let us
not do this again and pick a loser to replace another loser."



AMEN!!!!!!' 
11:09 pm edt 

Re: Residential Exemption - Cost of School

Seems as though you want the children now to all
be herded into a trailer somewhere!Is that where you went to school? Stop
thinking about how many condos can be made in the High School building if kids
weren't in it!!

Makes you wonder if that poster ever went to school!! lol
The school is the ONLY thing left in this town for the children, god forbid we
give them a building that they can learn in.
11:07 pm edt 

Re: Residential Exemption - Cost of School

"Crazy people on the school committee that overreact every time someone
questions costs, relax. No one suggested
closing the grammar school. I think you are morons for keeping the high school
and throwing money at it over and over
again. That's all."



Crazy people huh?? Where else, pray tell, would you like the Kindergarten thru
8th grade students to learn at? Not only the classrooms but also the art
program, or the music program? Oh, how about the drama program or the athletic
program? If you think its a money pit, have you given an alternative? No, just
complain about it on an anonymous site. HA HA That will get things done
certainty! Notice the sarcasm there. Sigh......
11:05 pm edt 

Re: Residential Exemption - Cost of School

"Crazy people on the school committee that overreact every time someone
questions costs, relax. No one suggested
closing the grammar school. I think you are morons for keeping the high school
and throwing money at it over and over
again. That's all. "


YOU are a MORON if you think the high school is vacant. The high school is now
Provincetown Schools which houses Pre-K thru 8th grade. And it is now an IB
school. Here's a tough question for you? If you are not suggesting closing the
"grammar school" then where would you like them to go to???  The old grammar
school is now the Provincetown Recreation, the Counsel on Aging and many other
things. Where have you been to not know this and just to throw out these
ridiculous statements?  Have you seriously  not thought this through?? Do you
really think that the school is just sitting empty with no students in it??  And
I am not on the school committee, I am someone who reads these posts and gets
upset because of people like you that DO or CAN not see that having a school
system in our town is a wonderful thing. YOU seem to be the one that doesn't get
it.
11:01 pm edt 

Re: Residential Exemption vs Residency

"Comprehension with some seems vacant! No one said you had to change
jobs,and your life that you prefer from someplace else in order to get more
beneficial property tax status here! Only that you declare this Town your voting
residency if you want to vote in our way of government operations and to vote at
our Town Meetings!"


What a wonderful way to live, just ignore reality and law and fact.  Simplify to
make everything bend to your ignorant opinions. Yes, indeed, someone did say
that you had to change your life in order to change voting venues.  Look up the
laws.  The town requires a person to be a "resident" in order to vote.  It is
not enough to merely go to town hall and register.  One must meet certain
criteria among which are from where taxes are filed.  Where do you live most of
the time. In other words, where do you legally live.  Simply to "declare this
Town your voting residency" does not meet the LEGAL requirement.  Sorry to have
to shock you with the truth of the matter.
12:06 pm edt 

Re: Residential Exemption vs Residency

"No one said you had to change jobs,and your life that you prefer from
someplace else in order to get more beneficial property tax status here! Only
that you declare this Town your voting residency if you want to vote in our way
of government operations and to vote at our Town Meetings! That's the only
requirement!"



Actually here are the basic rules:

"By signing an affidavit of [voter] registration, you declare that the address
on your affidavit is your legal residence." (Source http://www.votinginfo.info/2009/07/who-is-eligible-to-vote.html)

"An individual's domicile, or legal residence, depends upon all the facts and
circumstances in each case. An individual may have multiple residences at one
time, but only one domicile. The legal residence or domicile is the one an
individual regards as his true home or principal residence." For more details
and examples see: http://www.mass.gov/dor/individuals/filing-and-payment-information/guide-to-personal-income-tax/residency-status.html

It is not just a matter of showing up at Town Hall and asking to be a voter
here.

It is perhaps easiest (with least likelihood of being challenged) for someone
who owns 2 homes to switch residency if they are retired or work from home. 
Otherwise, the rules generally result in residency being at the home location
closest to their principal place of work, unless they can prove they commute to
the farther home most of the time.
11:37 am edt 

Please, Let's Move on

No more headings on the Residential exemption. It's getting tiring. It is over
and let's move on.


I hope we do not pick anyone from the three who are in the running for town
manager. when Sharon Lynn was selected, there were five candidates and all
publicly interviewed. she was the weakest of the group, mumbling her way
through. but she had friends in key positions and the vote went to her. Let us
not do this again and pick a loser to replace another loser.
11:32 am edt 

Re: Residential Exemption

Comprehension with some seems vacant! No one said you had to change
jobs,and your life that you prefer from someplace else in order to get more
beneficial property tax status here! Only that you declare this Town your voting
residency if you want to vote in our way of government operations and to vote at
our Town Meetings! That's the only requirement! Also,to the Poster who doesn't
want the High School building maintained,it's the only school left to educate
the children that are here. Former school buildings have been closed,sold,used
for other purposes,or whatever! Seems as though you want the children now to all
be herded into a trailer somewhere!Is that where you went to school? Stop
thinking about how many condos can be made in the High School building if kids
weren't in it!!
9:14 am edt 

Monday, September 8, 2014

Re: Residential Exemption

How many others are as curious as I am to know why so many posters say
that non-residents can simply move to town to solve their tax problems.  do they
really think that one can move so easily? What about jobs?  Family obligations? 
Tax ramifications? It seems that there are too many people who post here that
simplify everything. Well, like so many others, I have news for them.  Life just
ain't that simple.  If it were, do they think that there would be all these
heart felt debates?
11:42 pm edt 

Re: Residential Exemption

Crazy people on the school committee that overreact every time someone
questions costs, relax. No one suggested closing the grammar school. I think you
are morons for keeping the high school and throwing money at it over and over
again. That's all.
11:38 pm edt 

Re: Residential Exemption

" No more crazy libraries or money pit
schools. No more VFWs, enough. Just shut up and keep it simple."



That's a constructive comment. Why don't we just close the town? Is that simple
enough for you?
6:29 pm edt 

Re: Withheld 100 E-Mails

I for one am sick of hearing about the 100 plus held back emails- The
town should just release them and put an end to it. So much has been released to
so many who should never have received the info. The townspeople  have  a right
to them. Release them and let us move on!
4:53 pm edt 

Re: Residential Exemption

" No more crazy libraries or money pit
schools. No more VFWs, enough. Just shut up and keep it simple."


Once again a stupid post. Towns need library's and schools. Especially schools.
You sound like you have never attended one. Schools are essential to every
community. Who the hell do you expect to keep this town going after you leave??
We need if anything to support the school more than ever. They are the ones who
live in this town year round, there parents work and shop here and spend money
here. Maybe you should volunteer to see how wonderful the school is. Try going
to one of the concerts and hear how great the children play their instruments,
or maybe go watch one of there soccer or basketball games. Or even one of the
schools plays? This kids are amazing, the library is amazing, the school is
amazing, maybe you should check them out before you tell people to shut up.
12:18 pm edt 

Re: Residential Exemption

" No more crazy libraries or money pit
schools. No more VFWs, enough. Just shut up and keep it simple. "



Wow, I think I have heard it all now, the most ridiculous statement ever posted. 
I didn't know that hving a "crazy" library is a bad thing for a community. And
oh boy, the school AGAIN.
12:15 pm edt 

Re: A Dose of Reality

"Over the years, I've encountered tenants who have refused to move out
at thestart of the summer season (can't find or haven't looked for another rental),
left my house in a mess, orfelt they were being stiffed by 'the man' when I was
barely meeting the costs renting my house year round. Whoever it was, there was
always a hassle when they were 'done' with the use of my home. And I'm talking
year rounders, not tourists."


You sound like a        . Maybe you should screen your tenant selection better.
There are a lot of year rounders who are great people and would never trash a
home.  You sound like a complete     . Must be nice to have two homes when
people here cannot even find year round rent. Jeez
12:11 pm edt 

Re: FinCom

"It clearly states in the State Handbook that ANY financial
matter comes under the purview of Fincom. So you're at two strikes, maybe you
can try for three? "



No where is it written in the "state handbook" that it is law.  There is a state
law that authorizes FinComs. but NO state law that states there duties and
responsibilities are.
What you refer to are 1) A Dept of Revenue statement which is not law, nor
pretend to be an interpretation of state law.
2) The Handbook of the State Associations of Finance Committees, which is not a
state agency but a private organization with its own non-legal opinions that
some might say are self-serving. Neither point 1 or point 2 are law.

The ONLY legal source of authority is the Ptown Charter, which very clearly
delineates the Ptown FinComs duties.  So, if you really are intereste in truth,
read the charter, and also read the "state Handbook".  If you can come up with
any legal opinion that our FinCom has any powers other than stated in the
charter, by all means please share it.
12:08 pm edt 

Re: Split Tax Rate is the Answer

"Obviously a lot of people don't know that most 2nd home owners found
a way to have a 2nd home here by buying it,renting it in the summer charging
over the top prices, sometimes saving a week or 2 for themselves in spring or
fall for their own preferred vacation time. Then they shift to temporary winter
rental for slightly cheaper than summer charges. Some include utilities & some
the winter tenants pay in addition to rent.Th winter tenant moves out in spring
to make way for owners higher top dollar summer fees! The owner uses this as a
continued business investment or some plan to retire later in it and it's paid
for by that method! Most Condo owners do the same thing and use rental agencies
or local realtors to find tenants! Good business for them but not for this
community as a whole! It's sad that that's what we've become! Split tax Rate is
the answer! Capecie!?"


This line of reasoning has become bizarre.  These specious comments get made
with zero references to data.  Terms like "over the top" are thrown around as if
they have meaning, which they don't.  The posters seem to be convinced if they
say it and it appears in writing, then we will believe it.  No so.  think for a
moment.  If all, or most, or even many, of the condos in town were rented out in
the off season, we would see many more people around.  Stop and Shop would have
customers,  the post office would be delivering mail to thousands and thousands
instead of less than a thousand winter places.  The condos are dark during the
winter.  The streets are empty.  Sure SOME condos are rented out during the
winter, but how many?  Not your guesses to make a silly point, but factually
backed up by a data source.

We need legitimate debate, not this continuous foolishness of throwing around
terms that have no basis in reality.  Most and many and lots don't mean anything
unless backed up by legitimate numbers that are verifiable.  Decisions as
critical as this are made only after serious consideration not BS.
10:25 am edt 

Re: Split Tax Rate

"Therefore, the tax shift is entirely within the residential class of
properties and the tax rate remains the same for
all property classes."


Not so sure of this.  If a certain amount of revenue is derived from the real
estate tax, which is an equally set rate for all types of properties, and there
is a reduction of taxes due from a subset of properties, then ALL the others
must make up for the reduction, otherwise there would be less total revenue. We
pay a property tax not a residential property tax.  In the Boston area cities it
is the commercial and residential rental properties that make up the slack. 
Boston is NOTHING like Ptown in terms of the ratio of non-resident v resident
property owners.  The vast majority of residential properties in Boston are
owner occupied, which is the opposite to our situation.
10:19 am edt 

Harbor Masters Office Personnel

I  believe the Harbor Master and his staff deserve to be congratulated for the
way everything on the pier was handled this past busy season. Rescues, visiting
vessels, special events, squidders, etc, and NO DRAMA!! Congratulations Rex and
company.
10:16 am edt 

Re: Resident Tax Exemption Proposal

This tax proposal is a poor example of how to improve the financial "Bottom
Line" of our town. Realisticly what should be going on is an evaluation of the
cost effectivness of each town department.

Practiclly all the departments in town have areas where graft, and/or theft of
services or non-essential personnel occurs. Whether it be incorrect posting of
hours worked, simple theft of toilet paper, or money from soda machines, to an
over abundance of full time employees during the winter months (janitors, dump
workers, parking lot attendants,

No one is willing to question the parking deparment expenses becahse they are
such a big money maker for the town.  Just think how much more money could be
realized if the parking department was managed in a business like way.

If all town department budgets were objectively scrutinized and adjusted to fit
needs not wants, the town "Bottom Line" would improve dramaticly without needing
to penalize non resident tax payers.  However, that would require a lot more
work than just changing the tax base!

10:13 am edt 

Sunday, September 7, 2014

Re: A Dose of Reality

"Let's have a dose of reality injected into the current year round owner/tenant
idea."

Right because all tenants behave as you describe. Nevermind that my family
rented property for years and only had a couple of problem cases (statistics you
know), and for the most part people treated us the way we treated them. Sorry it
didn't work that way for you, but you're what we call "anecdotal evidence" and
no one designs policy or uses it when looking at numbers and stats. It's the
fallacy of "this happened to me, therefore it must happen to everyone". It
sounds like you're happier alone, so stay that way. Many others would choose
good tenants and get investment return while providing much needed homes for
others to rent who don't want to own for whatever reason.

Also, STOP the illiterate capitalization of Fincom. It's a nickname for Finance
Committee. Nicknames are not all in caps unless YOU ARE YELLING. Furthermore,
did you read above? It clearly states in the State Handbook that ANY financial
matter comes under the purview of Fincom. So you're at two strikes, maybe you
can try for three?
11:05 pm edt 

Re: Residential Exemption

Leave my bloody property tax alone and yes I am a full-time resident.
You morons will just mess it up more. Pay down the debt and stop all of these
multimillion dollar projects for awhile. No more crazy libraries or money pit
schools. No more VFWs, enough. Just shut up and keep it simple.
9:06 pm edt 

A Dose of Reality

Let's have a dose of reality injected into the current year round
owner/tenant idea.

Renting to a tenant is a commitment. What tenant(s) wants to be ordered to pack
up during the busiest times of the summer and find somewhere else to live? (And
exactly where does one go ?) What homeonwer wants to rent to a stranger, who's
living habits have been impressed into your space, and still feel a sense of
belonging and ownership?

And it is about ownership, either as a property owner or a tenant.

Over the years, I've encountered tenants who have refused to move out at the
start of the summer season (can't find or haven't looked for another rental),
left my house in a mess, or felt they were being stiffed by 'the man' when I was
barely meeting the costs renting my house year round. Whoever it was, there was
always a hassle when they were 'done' with the use of my home. And I'm talking
year rounders, not tourists.

Don't blame second homeowners. Security deposits and tax 'breaks' are not enough
of an incentive. Add that to the obvious schemers who know how to take advantage
of the MA Tenant laws. I leave my house empty 8 months out of the year and am
happier for it.

Finally, let's bring a town manager in to coordinate this and future ideas. It's
not the business of FINCOM to start raising everybody's hackles.
6:39 pm edt 

Re: Split Tax Rate

The discussion entitled "Split Tax Rate" is actually referring to what
is known as a "Residential Exemption" or "Homestead Exemption".  The tax rate
remains the same but those who own and occupy their property as their primary
residence can claim the Residential Exemption which reduces the amount of tax
that is owed.  The Residential Exemption does not shift taxes from residential
properties to non-residential properties.  It shifts taxes away from those who
own and occupy their primary residence to those who own residential property
which is not their primary residence.  Therefore, the tax shift is entirely
within the residential class of properties and the tax rate remains the same for
all property classes.
3:03 pm edt 

Re: Resident Tax Exemption Proposal

"Mr. Hatch - thank you very much for your reply. This would encourage outsiders
to buy property for investment purposes to rent out, the opposite of what you
said.  Right?"



Thanks! I think your questions are all good ones, and that at some point in the
future we should try to understand how this could help the town or not, and
define what success would look like. I don't think implementing this should be
taken lightly or without good discussions.

While I would never speak for Mr Donegan, I think his point fits this case
perfectly. What he's suggesting is that the town reward people for renting
year-round instead of seasonally. We've lost an enormous number of housing units
to condo conversions and to people who either do not rent out, or only do it in
season (which explains the stark population drop in December/January and
February). There is a very real shortage of year-round rental units now, as
anyone in town who lives here or would like to live here full-time will tell
you. Not "affordable" either, just regular year-round rentals. So if, again, we
can bend the tax curve to make it slightly more advantageous to rent year-round,
I'm sure many people would, especially those that only come for a couple of
weeks a year (and they could put that in their rental agreement, I know people
that do). Or even make it a wise investment choice as well for people who do not
come, but like to invest in rental property. So it's al!
l a great discussion we should have! Thanks for your thoughts.

Mark
2:39 pm edt 

Re: Split Tax Rate is the Answer

"most 2nd home owners found a way to have a 2nd home here by buying
it,renting it in the summer charging over the top prices,sometimes saving a week
or 2 for themselves in spring or fall for their own preferred vacation time...."


Could you tell us the source for your contention that it's "most 2nd home
owners"?  Most of the ones I know do not rent out their places and they sit
vacant all winter.  You can walk through many of our neighborhoods and see no
cars, no lights, and nobody in the winter.
12:57 pm edt 

Split Tax Rate is the Answer

Obviously a lot of people don't know that most 2nd home owners found a
way to have a 2nd home here by buying it,renting it in the summer charging over
the top prices,sometimes saving a week or 2 for themselves in spring or fall for
their own preferred vacation time. Then they shift to temporary winter rental
for slightly cheaper than summer charges. Some include utilities & some the
winter tenants pay in addition to rent.Th winter tenant moves out in spring to
make way for owners higher top dollar summer fees! The owner uses this as a
continued business investment or some plan to retire later in it and it's paid
for by that method! Most Condo owners do the same thing and use rental agencies
or local realtors to find tenants! Good business for them but not for this
community as a whole! It's sad that that's what we've become! Split tax Rate is
the answer! Capecie!?
12:29 pm edt 

From: Rose Kennedy -

My Provincetown friends, clients, and fellow real estate agents
someone has decided they want me to retire!  FYI I am a long way from retirement
and look forward to working for a number of years to come.  It is unfortunate
that someone would post a congratulatory note with blood stains on it and no
signature!

Webmaster Comment: This comment was confirmed by Ms Rose Kennedy personally.

The apparent malicious source comment was posted with negative intent and
accordingly has been deleted.
12:04 pm edt 

Re: Resident Tax Exemption Proposal

Mr. Hatch - thank you very much for your reply.  I had not seen your earlier
posts.  But one key part of those, repeated twice, confuses me:

"it's meant to discourage outsiders buying up real estate for investment
purposes to rent out."

I see this is a problem in Boston and other places.  But in Provincetown, aren't
the vast majority of second homes used by part-time residents and not rented
out?  If that's correct, then this proposal would discourage all 2nd home
ownership, not just investment ownership.  Or do you mean to discourage all
kinds and just didn't say that?

Then to further confuse this, I see in the Banner article this quote:

"selectmen chair Tom Donegan said he will push for the consideration of an
expanded exemption to include any property owners who rent out their property to
year-round residents.  Such a provision would require special home rule
legislation from the state, but would help to encourage the practice of renting
to the year-round community at a time when more affordable year-round rental
housing is desperately needed, he said."

This would encourage outsiders to buy property for investment purposes to rent
out, the opposite of what you said.  Right?

I do see that this proposal would have a small impact on "bending the curve" on
house prices, as you say.  But how much that results in more year-round resident
home ownership or more year-round rentals depends on an  increasing number of
good year-round jobs.  Without that, no curve bending will make any difference
unless house prices actually fall significantly, and no one seems to think this
proposal will do that.

So I'm back where I started asking for clarity on why would we do this and what
would we expect/estimate to happen?  10% fewer 2nd homes converted to year-round
occupation?  20%?  2%?

Or would we do it without any good basis for estimating what it will do, just in
the hope it does something since we are frustrated by the current situation?  At
the expense of creating divisiveness and inequity...

(I do think some 2nd owners will simply convert to full time residency if this
goes through. Given how many year rounders leave in the off-season, it would be
tough to enforce any days in residence rule...the usual unintended
consequences).

Lastly, I appreciate you clarifying why the Finance Committee voted to defer the
discussion.  That part is clear, thanks.

10:47 am edt 

Re: Withheld 100 E-Mails

"MARK MY WORD  THEY WILL NEVER BE REVEALED BECAUSE THEY SHOW THE TRUE
CESSPOOL THIS TOWN WAS . PRETTY SIMPLE"


total truth
10:41 am edt 

Re: Rose Kennedy

Who's Rose Kennedy?
10:39 am edt 

Saturday, September 6, 2014

Re: Resident Tax Exemption Proposal

I'll answer your great post as best as I can after looking at all the data (this
is my perspective tossed in with the rationale for the exemption) I'll even sign
this to boot). I posted something online earlier, so I'll repeat it here:


"Actually, this tax split was meant to completely discourage non-resident
ownership by bending the tax curve. To be a bit more specific, it's meant to
discourage outsiders buying up real estate for investment purposes to rent out.
That's why Boston/Cambridge/Somerville have the 30% exemption allowed. Does that
rationale strike a chord? Don't forget, as part of our State Financial Watchlist
remediation, this was a point for us to implement for exactly that purpose. It's
meant to bend the curve towards full-time resident distribution of the housing
stock. So the reason it exists is exactly the reason most people are complaining
about. It's intended to create two different classes, and to advantage the
resident class with the exemption. It's meant to discourage real estate as an
investment to the detriment of residential owners because investment tends to
drive up prices, destroy community etc. Again, sound familiar? So if we were to
adopt this, I think it would be for that reason...to bend the curve towards community
and not investment, to protect the town as a year-round entity. So if you want to argue
about this with anyone, argue with your local legislator because they're the ones that
voted this in.

We're still waiting for permission to charge a room tax on condo rentals because
Boston Legislators are against it (so in other words, it will be a long time
coming). And if you want to argue against it, then please change your primary
address to Provincetown so you can support your feelings against this "classist"
behavior by refusing your 30% Boston Resident Exemption (or whatever it is if
you live in a town that implemented this)."



And here is why I moved to table it. Given the sheets Mike C posted, along with
the S&P ratings sheet, this is the wrong discussion right now. We never said it
was the wrong discussion forever, but it is right now. The CIP and what that
entails is the right discussion. We can't even talk about this until we sort out
all of the spending we are going to do, and have a clear path for the future.
THEN we can talk about bending ownership curves and have a debate about the
investment class. But for now, that discussion serves no purpose in my view and
my motion to table it for this year passed unanimously so everyone agrees.
Sometime in the future, we may come back to it, and we'll have all the data
beforehand if we do.

Thanks!

Mark Hatch
10:38 pm edt 

Resident Tax Exemption Proposal

Rather than fall into this back and forth divisive discussion, could I simply
ask: why is the BOS considering this proposal, and what do they expect to gain
if they vote it in?

From the BOS meetings I've attended or watched on PTV, I've only heard Selectman
Andrews take a shot at an answer.  She said (paraphrasing) that she is worried
about what has happened to the town in recent decades and what it will be like
in 20 years if we don't do anything differently.  She also said she hasn't made
up her mind on which way to vote, but that she has voted against this multiple
times in the past.

Fair enough.  She makes sense and that's a good place to start.  But what
specifically has changed for the worst that this proposal would help fix?  She
is certainly correct that many things have changed, plenty not for the better.
But many things won't ever be coming back, for example: low house prices; the
long time residents, many tied to the fishing trade for generations, who sold
out and left; enough families with children to support a healthy high school;
more year round good jobs. I could go on - none would be helped by this
proposal.

What it might do is help out some low income resident home owners who need a tax
break to stay in town.  How many of them are there and would this proposal
actually make the difference of staying or leaving? Are there better, more
equitable ways to help this group?

The proposal would also give tax breaks to some high income residents who have
no pressing need for it, at the expense of non-residents whose income status is
unknown but in many condo-owning cases is clearly not as high as some residents
who would get the break.

So we'd get some good at the expense of instituting a shot-gun proposal that
helps some who need it, helps others who don't, and hurts some who contribute to
local business and civic causes but whose only "fault" is the inability to
declare as full time residents right now.

What have I missed here?  I would hope that all the Selectmen, not just Ms.
Andrews, can clearly say what they expect this proposal would do for the Town
before they vote for it.  How many people realistically do they expect to stay
in Town who would otherwise leave? What specific other bad "changes" that Ms.
Andrews alluded to would be reversed?

Making a change with obvious inequities, and with the resulting accompanying
divisiveness, without clearly stated and trackable goals isn't responsible or
just.  Ask people to make tough sacrifices if you believe it is needed, but only
if you can explain the need clearly and fully first.

I'm looking for answers, not a fight.  We have too many local friends, "full
time" and "part-time" for that.
2:33 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"By your twisted logic, the national Seashore
is now a Town entity.  Wrong."



Not my "twisted logic", sweetie.  Seems more like your twisted reading
comprehension.  I just posted, ad verbatim, what our town officials are listing
as "Staff Directory" on the Provincetown Government's website.    There's a
phone number listed on the website. You disagree, take it up with them.
2:28 pm edt 

Re: 2nd Homeowners

"There are 3614 properties in town and 873 residential owners...That
means that the actual residents of the town comprise (at most) 28%. How 28%
subsidize the rest, I'll never know."



873 divided by 3614 equals 24%, not 28%, unless there is some other unnamed
factor at play here.

Even so, talk about upside-down logic. No one said those 24% subsidize anyone. 
What was said is that if the proposed tax exemption is approved by the BOS, then
the taxes of non-residents will go up and those of residents (owning properties
up to $2.2 million in value) will go down.

THIS would be a subsidy by non-residents of residents, some of whom
understandably could use a subsidy to help stay in town (the only real
justification for this exemption), but many of whom have no such need.  Thus
we'd get some good, at the expense of instituting a clear injustice.  There has
to be better ways to ameliorate the perceived problem than this (more low cost
housing, property tax breaks targeted to lower income residents only, etc.)

And once implemented, who says the rates stay the same in out years?  Look at
Somerville case.  So your maximum tax increase numbers may well be just the
beginning.

***

"most of whom collect a Resident Exemption where they have their first home"


Since only a minority of cities and towns in Massachusetts provide such a
resident tax exemption and there is none in neighboring states such as
Connecticut, could you provide an actual source for your "most of whom"
contention?  No?  Then just another unfounded assertion, along with the other
attempts at obfuscation.
11:24 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"2.  Under its "Departments" tab, our town government's website lists
in its "Staff Directory, "PTV / Provincetown Public Television".  They'll
probably will change it once someone reads this comment, but I have copied it
below, as it appears on the website, on September 4, 2014.  So glad that someone
recently posted here that we all should read our town government's website."


Staff Directory
"Department Telephone

Administration 508-487-7000
Airport 508-487-0241
Assessor's Office 508-487-7017
Board of Selectmen 508-487-7003
Community Development-Building 508-487-7020
Council on Aging 508-487-7080
Finance 508-487-7010/-7015
Fire Department 508-487-7023
Harbor 508-487-7030
Shellfish Department 508-487-7000
Cape Cod National Seashore 508-771-2144"

Please note the last items above.  By your twisted logic, the national Seashore
is now a Town entity.  Wrong.  The person who made up this list could put
anything on it, but how does that make included organizations to be government
entities?  It does not.

saying it does not make it true.  PTV is NOT, repeat, not and government entity. 
So, it has no government employees.
11:20 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"Then please explain this email below from 2012 to *town budget
managers*, and also please explain why she's copied on 500 of the 1975 email
documents that were posted as part of the FOIA request (most of which were NOT
just notifying her of town business but sent by...guess who)? One wonders how many of the 100
withheld ones she's copied on. I guess we'll find out, huh?"



Nothing here makes her a government employee.  Getting an email is not a
certification of employment.  She does not receive a paycheck from any
government entity.  SHE IS NOT A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE.
11:15 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"Beth O'Rourke is not a public official.  She works for Provincetown Community
Television which is a 501c3 non profit organization."


Then please explain this email below from 2012 to *town budget managers*, and
also please explain why she's copied on 500 of the 1975 email documents that
were posted as part of the FOIA request (most of which were NOT just notifying
her of town business but sent by...guess who)? One wonders how many of the 100
withheld ones she's copied on. I guess we'll find out, huh?                                 
                                                          

From: Pam Hudson
To: **Beth Singer**; (list redacted for space)

Subject: Budget meeting schedule
Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:09:55 PM
Attachments: Schedule of Dept Meetings -FY 14 budgets.doc

Hello Budget managers,

Please read the attached schedule carefully. Should you have any conflict with
your scheduled time, please contact me ASAP.

Please know that Committee Chairmen are NOT scheduled to meet with the Town
Manager and Finance Director at this time. Should that change, I will contact
you.

Thanks everyone!

p
Pam Hudson Secretary to the Town Manager Employee Benefits Administrator Town of
Provincetown 260 Commercial Street Provincetown, MA 02657 phone: 508-487-7002
fax: 508-487-9560 email: phudson@provincetown-ma.gov
9:12 am edt 

Re: 2nd Homeowners

"They would thus be subsidizing the taxes of "year rounders" (the majority of
whom bail out every off-season) whose houses are valued at up to the rarefied
level of $2.2 million."


So let's do a little adult education here, since you obviously didn't read any
of the material posted online for the meetings, and you obviously don't have a
clue about this entire subject.

There are 3614 properties in town and 873 residential owners. Read that again.
That means that the actual residents of the town comprise (at most) 28%. How 28%
subsidize the rest, I'll never know. But wait! It gets better! Of those
properties 81 are over 1M. That means that 792 are BELOW 1M. 303 of the
properties over 1M are owned by non-residents so, again, the magic 27% of 1M and
over residences are owned by residents. Who's getting subsidized? Again where is
your logic? So let's see... you were wrong about "paying for services you don't
use" and now you're wrong about who owns the majority of these properties and
also wrong about "subsidies". Would you like to try for even more wrong than you
already have been? Let's head you off at the pass...the maximum amount anyone's
taxes would go up (non-residents only at current rate) is $778 on properties
over 2M. Wow, all this moaning and crying over $778 (on the most expensive
property in town) for the VAST majority of non-resid!
ent owners, most of whom collect a Resident Exemption where they have their
first home? I know how to read and I know how to call out crap when I see it.
9:08 am edt 

Re: Withheld 100

"MARK MY WORD  THEY WILL NEVER BE REVEALED BECAUSE THEY SHOW THE TRUE
CESSPOOL THIS TOWN WAS . PRETTY SIMPLE"


The 100 emails will be released when you stop using your CAP LOCK key. Pretty
simple.
9:04 am edt 

Friday, September 5, 2014

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

To clarify things, please:

1. click on the following link
http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/directory.aspx

2.  Under its "Departments" tab, our town government's website lists in its
"Staff Directory, "PTV / Provincetown Public Television".  They'll probably will
change it once someone reads this comment, but I have copied it below, as it
appears on the website, on September 4, 2014.  So glad that someone recently
posted here that we all should read our town government's website.

Staff Directory
"Department Telephone

Administration 508-487-7000
Airport 508-487-0241
Assessor's Office 508-487-7017
Board of Selectmen 508-487-7003
Community Development-Building 508-487-7020
Council on Aging 508-487-7080
Finance 508-487-7010/-7015
Fire Department 508-487-7023
Harbor 508-487-7030
Shellfish Department 508-487-7000
Cape Cod National Seashore 508-771-2144
Health Department 508-487-7020
Housing
Library 508-487-7094
Licensing 508-487-7020
Management Information Systems 508-487-7004
Natural Resources 508-487-7000 x 537
Parking Department 508-487-7050
Police Department 508-487-1213
Department of Emergency Management
Public Works 508-487-7060
Buildings and Grounds 508-487-7008
Highway Garage 508-487-7074
Townhall Custodians 508-487-7000 x 534
Transfer Station 508-487-7076
Sewer Department Emergency: 508-487-5474
Water Department 508-487-7060
Knowles Crossing Well Field 508-487-0790
Paul Daley Well Field 508-487-9711
Recreation Department 508-487-7097
Provincetown Public Schools 508-487-5000
Provincetown Schools 508-487-5040
PTV / Provincetown Public Television 508-487-0648
Town Clerk 508-487-7013
Town Moderator 508-487-7002
Tourism 508-487-3298"
11:48 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-Mails

The Release of 100 E-mails Should Help the Town

MARK MY WORD  THEY WILL NEVER BE REVEALED BECAUSE THEY SHOW THE TRUE CESSPOOL
THIS TOWN WAS . PRETTY SIMPLE
10:41 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

PTV gets Monies From the Town

and is part of this town. they are in a prime location--the Freeman Buidling and
getting town subsidies.  Let us not be stupid. any bribe to Beth is a bribe to
the town. and Candlyland is used to getting her way--no matter what, no matter
how much, and no matter who.

We can be glad that this wacky woman has finally left our town.
9:57 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-Mails

The Release of 100 e-mails should Help the Town

Because Jeff Darrow Jaran is implicated in these e-mails. and so is Sharon but
she flew the coop and Rehobeth can now enjoy her great skills! But the mediation
should involve these e-mails and Jeff Jaran's corrupt influence in this town and
Candyland's undue influence because of her relationship--???--with Kim Hurd. 
Just probe at little and much will be revealed.
7:19 pm edt 

Re: 2nd Homeowners

"Why even mention "town services" at all? The only reason to mention it
at all is to say "I don't use them so I don't think I should pay for what I
don't use"


Stop and think.  No one is asking to pay LESS taxes because they use less town
services.  But there is a proposal on the table that such people should pay MORE
taxes.  They would thus be subsidizing the taxes of "year rounders" (the
majority of whom bail out every off-season) whose houses are valued at up to the
rarefied level of $2.2 million.

Most second home owners here own condos.  And most are worth much less than $1
million, let alone $2.2 million.

Now use the superior comprehension skills you bragged about to explain how this
is fair and just.
7:15 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

PTV

Beth O'Rourke is not a public official.  She works for Provincetown Community
Television which is a 501c3 non profit organization.  Public Officials are
people who work for the government (local, state or federal level) they are also
selectmen, fincom members (something many on fincom seem to forget by their
behavior).

PTV operates on a system where they tape a public meeting and immediately the
next day begin the process to upload the meeting to the internet.  What was done
for the meeting in question is no different then what happens on a regular
basis.  The response that was sent to Candice Nagle from Beth O'Rourke would be
the same response that any person would receive.  Maybe some people on here
should try it - OH WAIT they would have to give their name for a response so
that won't ever happen!
7:12 pm edt 

Re: 2nd Homeowners

"The post never said "town services therefore" . It simply stated that fact that
she didn't use town services."



Where is my comprehension problem? Why even mention "town services" at all? The
only reason to mention it at all is to say "I don't use them so I don't think I
should pay for what I don't use" otherwise what argument are you trying to make?
I don't tie a boat up at the pier, but I'm willing to pay for the pier to be
great because it's a potential money maker for the town. I don't have a kid in
school, but I don't want children not educated. I'm not hooked up to the sewer
where I live. It goes on, so what's the point of saying it? You live in a
community, you pay to live there. No one cares whether you use the services or
not. If you don't like to pay for them, go live in the woods or somewhere else.
What about this is so hard to understand? Good lord, maybe we need adult
education in town!
6:09 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-Mails

The 100 emails will not be released until any and all lawsuits are
settled. Forget trying   It is futile . The incriminating evidence would cost
the town  way too much money.  Never going to happen. Candice may have had her
day at any and all info at her fingertips. However regular townspeople will
never have it until all lawsuits are settled.
6:06 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"Do you any see mention of a private citizen or employees of a private
organization?"



The request made in writing by Candy was to Beth, who is the head of a public
entity; NOT to a private citizen.
6:04 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"Do you any see mention of a private citizen or employees of a private
organization? "


STOP. Where does PTV's money come from? Is that private? Is PTV a wholly private
organization dependent on donations like WOMR, or does it get a kickback from
the town's cable provider as part of the contract? Don't lecture me on that
section of the law, YOU said bribery wasn't illegal and I showed you that
donations in kind are illegal for a non-profit as well as government actors or
even quasi-government ones. I know, since you people LOVE to file open meeting
violation and things like that, I'll ask the AG about this. Let's see what that
office says, OK? It will at least kick off an investigation. I'm all for it
since there should be no political actions by the public station that is an
non-profit that receives money from a town contract with the cable provider.
Besides, Beth lives in Truro, so maybe she shouldn't be running PTV anyhow.
Doesn't Truro have a station she can be corrupt at?
5:54 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-Mails

You predict that the 100 emails won't be released 'until after all the
lawsuits are settled'  What lawsuits specifically have been filed that involve
the emails? Do tell us!! Exactly which ones please. Thank you.
5:52 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-Mails

Where are the 100 plus EMAILS YET TO BE RELEASED??  THEY MUST ME SO
INCRIMINATING MY CALL IS THEY WILL NOT BE RELEASED UNTIL ALL LAWSUITS ARE
SETTLED. This is disgusting given Candice had any and all info at her fingertips
. People- get out there and demand they be released. Go to David Gardner and the
BOS. Enough is Enough.
5:21 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

What is the rule of thumb now about gifts to employees? They were
allowed to take gifts not more than $50.00 in value,which usually applied to
Christmas, when businesses would reward departments with candy,plants,flowers,etc.
It was controversial one time when some officials took televisions that were
"believed" to be of greater value than $50.00!
5:18 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"268A:2. Corrupt gifts, offers or promises to influence official acts;
corruption of witnesses.

Section 2.(a) Whoever, directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers or
promises anything of value to any state, county or municipal employee, or to any
person who has been selected to be such an employee, or to any member of the
judiciary, or who offers or promises any such employee or any member of the
judiciary, or any person who has been selected to be such an employee or member
of the judiciary, to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with
intent:"



I guess that you looked up the law then cut and pasted it without ever reading
it.  Otherwise you would have noted this part "268A:2. Corrupt gifts, offers or
promises to influence official acts; corruption
of witnesses.

Section 2.(a) Whoever, directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers or
promises anything of value to any state, county or municipal employee, or to any
person who has been selected to be such an employee, or to any member of the
judiciary, or who offers or promises any such employee or any member of the
judiciary, or any person who has been selected to be such an employee or member
of the judiciary, to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with
intent:"

Do you any see mention of a private citizen or employees of a private
organization?  No you don't because it is not there.  So pray tell oh legal
wizard where is the bribery? And, even if the promise to donate $100 were made
to a person that was included in the law, I think that most authorities and
judges would have a good laugh at thinking that you were all huffed up about
changing the time of the airing of a TV slot.  There was no effort to censor it
or deprive the public of the right to know. You dear friend are either a
charlatan or a fool.  Which is it?
2:34 pm edt 

Re: Foreign Worker Problem

So someone is using seasonal workers to infiltrate local businesses
and report any misdeeds.  AWESOME!!!  What's next???
2:29 pm edt 

Re: 2nd Homeowners

"What a totally mind-boggling comment to make "I don't use town
services therefore...". How SELFISH can you get? I know, it's all about YOU YOU
YOU, except that it isn't."



Wow talk about a reading comprehension problem.  The post never said "town
services therefore" . It simply stated that fact that she didn't use town
services.  Nowhere did it say or imply that she wanted a tax break because of
anything.  She just wants to be treated fairly.

By the way, she like many others are not really "second-home" owners.  She lives
in an apartment for her full time residence. You have no idea about her income
or obligations and to assume that you do is total ignorant arrogance.  You have
no way to check on her taxes in Ptown because you don't know her address or
name.  (and never will) She dos not complain about paying her fair share.  She
does not think that it is fair for her and many others to pay more to reduce the
burden on some that neither need it or deserve it.  This is not about
selfishness on her part, but more on yours.  she wants to take nothing from you.
As was pointed out by others a tax scheme like that being discussed will set up
an us vs them attitude that just might make for a very unhealthy town.  I can
imagine that she and her partner and all their friends might decide that since
people like you don't think that they are part of the community they might act
the part.  Hire all services from out of town.!
   Give to other charities.  Devote time to other causes.  Bring their food with
them when they come for a week or weekend.   Would that be a good thing for the
rest of us?
2:27 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"Bribery is NOT ILLEGAL and never has been.  Bribery of public
officials and other proscribed in LAW, is illegal."


So glad you agree that Candy committed an illegal crime!  You see...Beth IS a
public official.  Thanks!
2:17 pm edt 

Re: 2nd Homeowners

"She doesn't use a lot of town services like the schools.  She lives in a condo
so doesn't even use the town trash
pickup system."



I live here and don't use a lot of town services. I've never had a child in the
school system. I never attend carnival festivities so don't contribute to that
day and all the cost. I leave town for the fourth of July for the same reasons.
What a totally mind-boggling comment to make "I don't use town services
therefore...". How SELFISH can you get? I know, it's all about YOU YOU YOU,
except that it isn't. It's about community. It's about paying for things others
do (like educating their kids) because it's for the benefit of the community.
It's like paying for all the extra police details in the summer for community.
It's like paying for fire equipment I've never used. Get the picture? This isn't
about what YOU use, it's what WE (the TOWN) NEED. If you have two houses
you are also rich by any worldly standards. So here's the deal - don't complain
to us residents and write letters to the town. We immediately look up your property
(like the woman complaining about a $700 tax increase who has a 2.1M house)
and then cross-reference your primary property to see if it's in a city/town with a
resident exemption you're CURRENTLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF (like another who
was collecting a 7k tax advantage while saying how the good citizens of Provincetown
don't deserve the same advantage). You're FULL of hypocrisy and greed if you fit
these two examples (and full of something else as well). So please just stop it.
Your property records and the tax you pay is now public on every town's website, and
the letters you wrote are public information. So when you come to meetings, everyone
looks up what your situation is and compares it to what you say. If you're collecting a
resident exemption, you lose your argument. If you're in possession of a house that
worth more than a million *as a second home* and you're complaining you're morally
bankrupt.

And we can find out with the click of a mouse.
1:36 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"I'm betting that the MA Dept of Revenue will be around this year and
next watching some of the businesses in town..."



I'm betting the MA Dept of Revenue has bigger fish to fry. Oh wait! Who's that
skulking in the corner? Could it be? Oh it's you. Hoping to catch an 'illegal'
act in play at the 434 businesses in town. Must have a lot of time on your
hands.
1:12 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"Bribery is NOT ILLEGAL and never has been.  Bribery of public officials and
other proscribed in LAW, is illegal. "



To whomever wrote this statement: now we all REALLY understand what's wrong with
you, thanks for clearing it up. You obviously live in some world of your own
when you write "Bribery is NOT ILLEGAL and never has been." How sick you must be
so that you can't see what you just wrote. Wow, just wow. Here's THE LAW here.
Notice the term CORRUPT GIFTS. When someone offers you a $100 donation, is that
a CORRUPT GIFT? I have an idea, I'll pass this all to the AG's office and get
them to ask Beth why she responded the way she did, how's that? In the meantime,
tell me how the below doesn't mean what it plainly says:

268A:2. Corrupt gifts, offers or promises to influence official acts; corruption
of witnesses.

Section 2.(a) Whoever, directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers or
promises anything of value to any state, county or municipal employee, or to any
person who has been selected to be such an employee, or to any member of the
judiciary, or who offers or promises any such employee or any member of the
judiciary, or any person who has been selected to be such an employee or member
of the judiciary, to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with
intent:
1:11 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"When you say I will "donate" money IF you perform an act, that's
called bribery. Period. That's Illegal. Or at least last time I checked the
definition it still was."


How totally wrong you can be.  Bribery is NOT ILLEGAL and never has been. 
Bribery of public officials and other proscribed in LAW, is illegal.  You WANT
her to sound immoral and illegal, so you make up definitions.  Sorry but that
does not pass the intelligence test.  When I was a litle kid my mother would
frequently promise to give me something IF I did something.  By definition it
was bribery, but sure was not illegal.
12:29 pm edt 

2nd Homeowners

"Do I understand that 2nd homeowners would be upset if permanent
residents have a different tax rate to lessen our burden & the officials claim
we can't afford to do it because 2nd homeowners would then transfer their
residency here to take advantage of the tax break too? Well!If they can do it
then,why can't they do it now to have a vote & verbal input at Town Meeting with
or without tax breaks involved? I protest vehemently that anyone not on the
registered voting list has made their choice!! Ya can't have the best of both
worlds! Ya can't serve two masters! pure and simple! You either vote where you
are for whatever reasons or re-register & establish residency here!
Otherwise,you're a 2nd home owner without a voice in our Town Government here!!"


My neighbor just called me to ask if I had seen this pitiful rant.  She is a
part-time resident who is far from wealthy and has a good job in another state. 
She has no desire or ability to move to Ptown at this time, like I did a few
years ago when I retired.  Her problem is with people like you who think that it
is fair to tax one type of property owner more than another simply because you
want someone to pay your bills and they can't do anything about it.

in spite of what you erroneously claim, she did not make the choice of living
here or not.  She made the choice of buying property here with her partner and
becoming part of the community to the fullest extent possible.  She is not
serving "two masters".  She lives and works and votes in one place because of
practical necessity.  She pays hefty taxes here and participates in many local
activities as I did before retiring. She hires local people to provide services
and donates time and dollars to our charities.

I don't know how you come up with the rage about these people wanting to votes
etc.  I knew the rules and she says that she understands them also.  She just
wants to avoid an "us vs them" attitude.  She doesn't use a lot of town services
like the schools.  She lives in a condo so doesn't even use the town trash
pickup system.

So do you think that it particularly meritorious to take from people because
they have no say in the matter.  Not quite like stealing from a disabled person
because they can't fight back, but there is a pretty close comparison.  I would
love to pay lower taxes, but what is right about asking my neighbors to make up
the difference?
12:24 pm edt 

2nd Homeowners

Do I understand that 2nd homeowners would be upset if permanent
residents have a different tax rate to lessen our burden & the officials claim
we can't afford to do it because 2nd homeowners would then transfer their
residency here to take advantage of the tax break too? Well!If they can do it
then,why can't they do it now to have a vote & verbal input at Town Meeting with
or without tax breaks involved? I protest vehemently that anyone not on the
registered voting list has made their choice!! Ya can't have the best of both
worlds! Ya can't serve two masters! pure and simple! You either vote where you
are for whatever reasons or re-register & establish residency here!
Otherwise,you're a 2nd home owner without a voice in our Town Government here!!
10:43 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"It gets really tiresome fighting back against people who don't/can't
read, have no comprehension, and haven't taken the State Conflict of Interest test. The
answer is all three.

1) When you say I will "donate" money IF you perform an act, that's called
bribery. Period. That's Illegal. Or at least last time I checked the definition
it still was.
2) When you answer someone telling them you'll email them as soon as you do this
act, and that's not what you do for EVERYONE, that's immoral. Furthermore when
you forward this request to someone without comment it's like saying
*wink**wink** so a double immoral there for complete collusion.
3) See number 1"



Stop it already, you're making it worse for the three of them."

Is it bribery to thank a private individual for providing an extra service?  Is
tipping extra for great service at a restaurant bribery?  Of course not.  You
can make your own definitions but the facts don't change.  THERE WAS NO BRIBERY
by any law in the country.  NONE.

Your second point is as pointless as your first.  You state a premise of which
you have zero certitude --"that's not what you do for EVERYONE". That negates
your entire argument.

You don't like Nagle. You never did.  No one associated with the FinCom liked
her because she questioned the actions so often.  The FinCom oversteps its
authority constantly as when they held a "hearing" on the proposed resident tax
exemption.  There is no statutory authority for this FinCom meddling.  The issue
has nothing to do with a Town meeting warrant article nor a reserve fund
transfer.  Nagle is/was a gadfly. No doubt, but that is neither illegal or
immoral.  Annoying?  Perhaps.  Evil?  Get a life.  She had no power to force
anything down our throats any more than the posters on this or other sites.  She
could not take over town government.  She could not do away with town meeting or
the BOS.  She could not eliminate town elections.

So get over your foolishness and start living in the real world instead of your
conspiracy filled dream world.
10:40 am edt 

Re: Special Town Meeting

Again, having a special town meeting in the fall is not necessary.
These windbags on the BOS and FINCOM need to give it a rest.
10:36 am edt 

Re: Foreign Worker Problem

"LABOR BOARD WILL BE NOTIFIED--"

I'm betting that the MA Dept of Revenue will be around this year and next
watching some of the businesses in town for...oh...say not using cash registers
to record payments. Ringing up "no sale" on cash transactions, questionable
liquor practices (you think the bottles are all liquor? think again at a couple
of establishments) etc. This year some of us have encouraged the foreign workers
to record these activities they've seen and they have. So look forward to an
uncomfortable season for some people next year. People should run honest
businesses not stuff cash in their pockets while they screw over the workers.
10:33 am edt 

Re: Foreign Worker Problem

THEN DO IT OR SHUT UP! IF YOU DO NOTHING, THE PROBLEM WILL CONTINUE FOR OTHERS.

And don't forget to call the Banner for the exclusive story.
10:31 am edt 

Just an idea

Since it will be years before we are able to collect taxes on short term rentals
of condominiums and homes, cant we be more proactive.  Such properties are
generating income. This in itself makes them more valuable when put up for sale.
(Income generated is always mentioned in the sales listing.) So why cant the
assessor raise the value  on the property and generate more income for the town.
10:22 am edt 

Let Jeff Jaran Call as Witnesses Eric the Bartender

And the many police who had problems with him. Let the Pig speak out again. and
the town should call in those who know deeply his dark secrets, his           ,
and his faults. Let the sides even themselves out!
10:06 am edt 

Thursday, September 4, 2014

Special Town Meeting
 
According to the front page of the town website the special town meeting is
scheduled for Monday October 27,  it is amazing that people can find this
anonymous blog without any trouble but can not seem to look up easy to find
answers on the town website.  Coincidence?
10:46 am edt 

Special Town Meeting

When would there be a special town meeting this Fall? Does anyone out
there know?
9:13 am edt 

Foreign Worker Problem

LABOR BOARD WILL BE NOTIFIED--THE CHEATING             ESTABLISHMENT
WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

A foreign student worker is dismissed after Carnival. He is a bus boy at the 
               . He goes back for his tips..none are to be found. (Their policy
is that their workers go back the next day to get the money owed to them).

Twice he has gone back to get the $250 or so that he earned during carnival.

The tip money can't be found. Lets hope that by calling the attorney General's
office that etc and making a complaint will somehow make the money appear.
9:12 am edt 

Wednesday, September 3, 2014

Re: Theme For Carnival 2015

"But, in fact, it is "Conspiracy land" alias "Fantasyland" or maybe
'Ptown the home of the Cabal"."

No more Cabal.  The Cabal has been neutered.
11:24 pm edt 

Re: Special Town Meeting

"Why is there a need for a special town meeting this fall? Seriously.
What is so damn important. .  .  ."



Perhaps they know more than you do and know why it's needed.  Actually I KNOW
they know more than you as to why it's needed.
8:13 pm edt 

Special Town Meeting

Why is there a need for a special town meeting this fall? Seriously.
What is so damn important. Take a break BOS, stop talking so much and for crying
out loud hire a town manager because we need to get back on track.
7:55 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

I guess that I do have at least some reading skills since I am able to
read what you seem to think is important.  Please let us know which, if any, of
your three points is
1) Illegal
2) Immoral
3) unethical

How about:
4. Manipulative
5. Self serving
7:52 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"I guess that I do have at least some reading skills since I am able
to read what you seem to think is important."



I posted "just the facts, ma'am, just the facts".
7:48 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"I guess that I do have at least some reading skills since I am able to read
what you seem to think is important.  Please let us know which, if any, of your
three points is
1) Illegal
2) Immoral
3) unethical"


It gets really tiresome fighting back against people who don't/can't read, have
no comprehension, and haven't taken the State Conflict of Interest test. The
answer is all three.

1) When you say I will "donate" money IF you perform an act, that's called
bribery. Period. That's Illegal. Or at least last time I checked the definition
it still was.
2) When you answer someone telling them you'll email them as soon as you do this
act, and that's not what you do for EVERYONE, that's immoral. Furthermore when
you forward this request to someone without comment it's like saying
**wink**wink** so a double immoral there for complete collusion.
3) See number 1

Stop it already, you're making it worse for the three of them.
7:46 pm edt 

7:20 pm edt 

Re: Theme for Carnival 2015

"Don't Tell me the Theme for Carnival 2015 really is---
Candyland!!"



Ok, I won't tell you.  But, in fact, it is "Conspiracy land" alias "Fantasyland"
or maybe 'Ptown the home of the Cabal".
7:20 pm edt 

Ms. Jarusiewicz

"Good that you want Truro. Good and I hope they want you; because
Michelle, we do not want you now. Maybe before Sharon Lynn we would have
supported you. But Now?"



What a dark and shallow life you lead. I take exception to your use of "we" in
your obnoxious post. Michelle has worked hard for this town for decades, and is
one of the most non-partial, level-headed people around. She's a professional.
And I for one, am getting completely bored with the constant references to
Sharon Lyn. She's GONE. Got it?
7:16 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"No, I'm not Nagle or Rourke. Just happen to believe the paper trail
that Nagle has so conveniently left for all of us to read. If you have a modicum
of reading skills, you can ascertain that:
1.  Nagle made a written request to Rourke, with a copy sent Hoort.
2. Nagle's request for PTV to broadcast within a specific time frame a meeting
of the Finance Committee.
3. In the event Rourke complied to Nagle's request, PTV would receive a $100
donation from Nagle."



I guess that I do have at least some reading skills since I am able to read what
you seem to think is important.  Please let us know which, if any, of your three
points is
1) Illegal
2) Immoral
3) unethical

It would also be helpful to state your sources for these beliefs and the
consequences of the supposed conspiratorial threat to our beloved PT by this
notorious cabal plot to actually see something on TV.
10:51 am edt 

Theme for Carnival 2015

Don't Tell me the Theme for Carnival 2015 really is---
Candyland!!

They are kidding aren't they? It has to be a funny! If not, there will hundreds
of dizzy blondes, fingers clicking away to town hall, with barking dogs in high
chorus.

10:47 am edt 

Re: Former Provincetown Police Chief to Challenge Firing

"Does anyone know why the arbitration isn't open to the public? What
the hell. don't we have the right to know what goes on?  It was the town who
fired him.  We should be able to hear it especially since Jaran has a number of
key officials on his witness that his side will be calling.  Tom Donegan, Mary
Jo Avellar, Rick Murray, Sharon Lynn, Clarence Walker, Butch Mullaney and Erik
Yingling.  We have the right to know why these people are on Jaran's list and
not the towns. Anyone? This is         ."



You seem to know a lot about this, like a witness list.  Where did you get the
list?  Did you get the list for the town also?  Will the witnesses be available
for all three arbitrators to question?  Who says that you have the right to
anything involved with this?  What law are you reading?  Is it in the state or
federal Constitutions? The fact is you don't have the right unless it is given
to you.  Now, if you want to really know something, ask the source of the
witness list or get a copy of Jaran's contract and/or all the legal info that is
available to the public about conducting arbitration in cases like this.

Of course, if you know all about the rules you won't be able to whine about
conspiracies.
10:42 am edt 

Ms. Jarusiewicz

Ya, she should stay and make $54K instead of potentially making $100K+
in Truro.

She makes around $50/hr now, considering the hours she'd have to work as TM in
Truro or here she'd be taking a pay cut.
9:51 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"Of course, and are you Beth or Candace?  You must be one or the other
to have such certitude."


No, I'm not Nagle or Rourke. Just happen to believe the paper trail that Nagle
has so conveniently left for all of us to read. If you have a modicum of reading
skills, you can ascertain that:
1.  Nagle made a written request to Rourke, with a copy sent Hoort.
2. Nagle's request for PTV to broadcast within a specific time frame a meeting
of the Finance Committee.
3. In the event Rourke complied to Nagle's request, PTV would receive a $100
donation from Nagle.

1:53 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

We know who's reading comprehension skills are lacking

What a display I saw from Beth O'Rourke at today's Fincom meeting! I suggest
everyone watch it like I did. First of all, NO ONE, said Beth took a bribe in
ANY email. I repeat NO ONE.

Secondly, everyone was commenting on the offer of Nagle to donate $100 for
getting a post up in a more timely manner than usual.
We don't know if that was ever followed through on. We don't know if it was a
joke. We don't know anything except these two people had a cozy enough
relationship to send emails like this to each other, and also to forward the
same email to Hoort on the side with no comment. So I'll reproduce the **ACTUAL
TEXT OF THE EMAIL WE GOT VIA AN FOIA REQUEST** below.

"Hey Beth, if you don't like what it says, why did you respond? Why wasn't your
response along the lines of "why thank you for the generous offer, but I'll get it up
as soon as I can like every recording we do and you'll see the post when it's up."

You DIDN'T SAY THAT. Not even TODAY did you say anything about not doing anything
unusual, you just tried to foist off the issue to this blog, whose owner had nothing to
do with the post.

What you said was that you'd tell her when it was up. Does anyone else get that privilege?
A personal email from you when something is posted? So maybe you just thought this
would never see the light of day? You didn't realize it was on **town email**? Well now
you know it was. And now it's, AGAIN, reproduced so everyone at home knows what you were
talking about, and knows your statement was completely and utterly wrong and
baseless. And to show I have a heart, I redacted the actual email addresses.
Enjoy!:

"From: Candace Nagle
To: Dan Hoort
Subject: FW: donation
Date: Thursday, March 07, 2013 8:02:49 PM

From: Beth
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 7:23 PM
To: Candace Nagle
Subject: Re: donation

Hi Candace, Just got your note. Not possible for me to do it tonight but I
promise to process first thing in the morning. Will send you the link when it's
ready.
Beth
Sent from my iPad, please excuse typos

On Mar 7, 2013, at 6:15 PM, "Candace Nagle" wrote:

Hey Beth, Any chance you can get the FinCom meeting up tonight on PTV? Ill give
PTV a $100.00 donation.

Thanks, Candace"
1:41 am edt 

Donegan & Lopez

I believe this town owes a big thank you to both Tom Donegan and Maria
Lopez.  Without the 2 of them- we would be in the same hell we were in 2 years
ago. Intimidation, intimidation, intimidation.

All I see are smiles on so many of my friends faces lately. They all say pretty
much the same thing. A huge weight is off there shoulders.   That is what this
town is supposed to be about. 

Thank you Tom. Thank you Maria.
1:37 am edt 

Just Let Her Go

Good that you want Truro. Good and I hope they want you; because Michelle, we do
not want you now. Maybe before Sharon Lynn we would have supported you. But Now?
Really/ no, please leave, and let Truro have you.

You are too much part of the old, corrupt administration. You are too much
Sharon Lynn, Ann McQuire and now, please just leave.
1:33 am edt 

Ms. Jarusiewicz

Jarusiewicz chose to work here part time for $54,000 plus percs! She
could do the same in Truro! There's no land left here. If Truro hires her for
&100,000 she'd have to work full time. Most workers in Town Hall here work full
time for much less money than she makes part time! She's not had a bad deal!
1:24 am edt 

Jeff Jaran

Does anyone know why the arbitration isn't open to the public? What
the hell. don't we have the right to know what goes on?  It was the town who
fired him.  We should be able to hear it especially since Jaran has a number of
key officials on his witness that his side will be calling.  Tom Donegan, Mary
Jo Avellar, Rick Murray, Sharon Lynn, Clarence Walker, Butch Mullaney and Erik
Yingling.  We have the right to know why these people are on Jaran's list and
not the towns. Anyone? This is bullshit.
1:22 am edt 

Salaries

What is the salary for the grants writer and what is the salary for the housing
specialist. I do remember a few years back voting in funds at a town meeting 
for a housing specialist that was parttime and I think that salary alone was
about $50,000.00. What does the grants writer position pay
1:20 am edt 

Wednesday, September 3, 2014

Ms. Juriewiscz

RE: "Why would Ms. Juriewiscz want to become TM in either town when she
makes a good salary now is beyond me."


How about being accused she is part of the infamous CABAL? That term seems to
have worked it's magic on several honest people. End of story.
12:50 am edt 

Former Provincetown Police Chief to Challenge Firing

PROVINCETOWN — Former Police Chief Jeff Jaran says he will fight his termination last year by the town at an arbitration hearing Oct. 30.

The selectmen fired Jaran, Provincetown's police chief for about five years, in December after months of controversy related to his alleged angry outburst at The Squealing Pig pub after an N.W.A. rap song containing anti-police lyrics played on the sound system.

Some members of the public complained that Jaran intimidated customers and employees at the pub. Also, the police union accused him of campaigning inside the police station and using his authority to get officers to vote for Selectman Austin Knight in the May election.

The selectmen hired an independent investigator, Frank Rudewicz of Marcum LLP, to look into the union's complaints as well as the incident at The Squealing Pig.

Rudewicz's report found that Jaran violated local and state laws when he held staff meetings to discuss the need to support Knight.

Rudewicz also found that Jaran did not behave violently at the Squealing Pig, but patrons were intimidated. Afterward, he "unnecessarily" directed officers to collect names of the people in the bar that night, the report found.

The selectmen voted Dec. 11 to fire Jaran with three years left on his five-year contract. He was paid about $127,000 in 2013, according to the contract.

The night of the termination, Jaran's attorney, Andrew Gambaccini, said Jaran would dispute it at an arbitration hearing, where he expected "full vindication."

The arbitration process allows the town and Jaran to each select one arbitrator, while the third is mutually agreed upon by both parties. The hearing is closed to the public.

Neither the town attorney, John Giorgio, nor Gambaccini returned calls for comment.

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10:37 am edt 

Monday, September 1, 2014

Re: Ms. Juriewiscz

Ya, she should stay and make $54K instead of potentially making $100K+ in Truro.
I know I would want to stay in the low paying, non appreciative environment
known as Provincetown, wasting my abilities and knowledge on a bunch of
unappreciative fools that will never be satisfied. Ya, no reason to leave at
all.

ya right
10:58 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"Come on. Try to keep up. It wasn't an unconditional donation, out of
the kindness of her heart. It was offered by CN, and would be given to PTV,
contingent on Beth acquiescing to her request."



Of course, and are you Beth or Candace?  You must be one or the other to have
such certitude.
10:55 pm edt 

Re: Ms. Juriewiscz

"Why would she want to become TM in either town when she makes a good
salary now as part time grant writers and a great salary for being the housing
specialist is beyond me? Why would she want all the headaches of being TM having
to work 80 hours a week with all those meetings?"


When you ask her and get a response let us know.
10:53 pm edt 

How Much Was/Is Jaruwiecki making Now?

Is it more than $54,000 for a part-time position that if full time would be
$100,000 a year? does anyone know? The state of our knowledge in what percentage
of affordable housing we have is a shifting, vague number. When Keith Bergman
was town manager, we, as a town, were close to having 12% affordable housing but
that number--even as housing units increase--has gone down through the years.
and this is with 90 Shankpainter, the Bates motel, and Ted Malone's Shankpainter
units. and I do believe Jaruwiecki was involved in the housing when Ted Malone's
once affordable units--where his employees lived because they were "lucky" in
the draw--turned after five years into market rate housing that they sold for a
great advantage to his employees, as these units then fell out of the affordable
housing number. who would have agreed to such a terrible deal?
10:50 pm edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

"...Wellfleet's Police Chief does too. You can look these up yourself.
Google the town, go to their website, find their charter, and when the PDF comes up
search on Police Chief. You'll find that MOST towns have them reporting directly
to the BOS.

Does that answer your question?"


Yes, thanks.
10:48 pm edt 

Resident Tax Exemption

He's at it again 

So our town version of Sarah Palin is back again pontificating about taxes in
the town, yet unable to serve out a full term on a committee. Here's what he's
now posted below. Hey Peter, I know you're a member of the 1% so you see the
world that way and have no sensitivity to what the discussion actually is about,
but you just can't help it can you? I'll make you a $10,000 bet that this is NOT
how this is going to go down. How about you take the other side of this trade
and put your money where your mouth is? The comment below shows that you have no
idea what the actual discussion is about, but that's normal for the people you
surround yourself with who also have no idea what they're talking about and keep
losing every battle they wage. If you don't want to be in the gutter, stop
hanging out there. And lift your head up a bit so you get what the issue is.
Then perhaps you can turn that mouth and brain to useful purposes instead of
talking to the same 6 people who are just bit!
ter and out of tricks. And what's with this "I agree but hate the way we get
there" crap? What does that even mean? If you agree with residents getting an
exemption, SAY IT. SAY I AGREE. The rest is politics. It's how things get done
and whether you like it or not doesn't matter. But if you just said "I agree"
then you wouldn't get to complain about people that you think aren't as smart as
you, would you?


"Peter Petas -Jack [Tracken, fake person], we all know how this is going to go.
They are acting like this is the first time they have ever seen the numbers. Not
true. No offense to Dan, but the numbers that he and Scott put together are not
materially that different from the numbers put together by Paul Glavin in
previous presentations to the BOS. You'll remember when FinCom was erroneously
talking about an $800,000 'cap', I pointed out that Glavin had found the
crossover point to be about $1.4 million. Not too far off from where Dan and
Scott came out this year. So let's stop pretending that the numbers are "new"
and have never been analyzed. Dan did an amazing job putting them into a form
that is way way way more comprehensible than previous assessor's reports for the
average lay person.

FinCom will come out strongly in favor of a residential exemption and will bring
an advisory warrant to Special Town Meeting. I would suggest a drinking game for
every time Mike says "this isn't binding. We are just taking the temperature of
the Town." But I can't support irresponsible drinking. Town Meeting will
probably approve it partly because, like parking, it will be presented as a
false choice. And they won't hear from their non-resident neighbors on Town
Meeting floor. Who doesn't like their taxes to go down, right?

Then it will get kicked to the Board of Selectmen. You know, the folks we
actually elected to make policy. I almost feel sorry for the BOS. They are the
ones who are going to get yelled at because most people haven't figured out that
important policy decisions get made by FinCom. So the BOS will get yelled at by
the second homeowners at pretty much every meeting between now and the hearing
when they actually set rates. FinCom will show up in twos and threes at those
same meetings to remind the BOS that STM was in favor of a residential exemption
(remember when the BOS got yelled at about Grace Gouveia - same idea) and in the
end the BOS will probably vote for the residential exemption over the objections
of the Board of Assessors and others.

The funny thing is that I may actually agree with the outcome. I just hate the
way we will get there."
8:47 pm edt 

Ms. Juriewiscz

Why would she want to become TM in either town when she makes a good salary now
as part time grant writers and a great salary for being the housing specialist
is beyond me. Why would she want all the headaches of being TM having to work 80
hours a week with all those meetings.
5:02 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Tourists

"I love the tourists, they help my business flourish. This constant bitching on
Facebook about them is idiotic."



I SO agree with you!! If you don't like tourists, and you don't like the summer,
and you don't like events, and you don't like bikes and you don't like
traffic....MOVE THE HECK OUT. But for the love of God just shut up on Facebook
because some of us base our living on them. If you like solitude, go move to
Western Mass because this place isn't going to change in your lifetime, in fact,
it's going to get worse. So get used to it or be gone. Honestly.
4:02 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"The fuss about a $100 incentive to PTV is just stupid. PTV is a
nonprofit organization. A $100 donation is not a bribe to a government employee
or official, and the request wasn't made of a town government employee."



Come on. Try to keep up. It wasn't an unconditional donation, out of the
kindness of her heart. It was offered by CN, and would be given to PTV,
contingent on Beth acquiescing to her request.
4:00 pm edt 

Re: Let Ms. Juriewiscz go to Truro

"Some bloggers here were right. Juriewiscz...made sure she paid
herself very well from Grants first to apply the rest to housing."



No Some Bloggers are dead wrong. She collects her standard Town salary for
writing grants and did not get a percentage. And she is an efficient and smart
grantwriter, garnering thousands for programs that directly benefited YOU. But
go on with your bad self, spreading discontent and hatred through
misinformation. It's what makes Ptown Ptown.
3:57 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"Any citizen should know employees can't take money for special favors
or for expediting something out of order!"



I know you like to make things up as you go along, but can you point out where
ANY employee accepted money?
3:55 pm edt 

Re: As to Your Bribe Conspiracy

"So, you expect me to believe that Candace Nagle, the queen of public
information requests, is going to bribe a public official via email and copy
other people on it. "



Ummm....if Nagle was a rational person, would she have left a paper trail of,
literally, thousands of emails like she did? Do you think she ever thought all
of these would see the light of day? You have to search that email stash pretty
hard to find that PTV one given the sheer volume. What do you think is in the
100 suppressed emails that were blocked? What do you suppose will happen when
those are ordered released? SOMEONE didn't want the contents to be seen. What's
in there? Don't you want to know what the former town employees didn't want
anyone else to see, given what's been posted here since the entire corpus was
made public?
2:25 pm edt 

Provincetown Tourists

I love the tourists, they help my business flourish. This constant
bitching on Facebook about them is idiotic. The most trying thing about the
summer is dealing with employees. If you don"t like tourists then you should not
work in this town. Stop complaining because people read your posts.
2:23 pm edt 

As to Your Bribe Conspiracy

"Doesn't common sense tell you that if Candace were truly bribing Dan she'd have
done it over the phone and slipped him cash in person?"



Again with the reading comprehension! No where does it say "Candace bribing
Dan". What it says is the email asking Beth to expedite the posting of the
Fincom meeting **was forwarded to Dan without comment**.

In the business world, when you forward an email without comment, you're doing
it to validate something you previously talked about, and the recipient knows
what you're doing **that's why you don't need to say anything, just forward the
email**. What don't you understand about that chain of events?

If Beth expedited the posting for $100, it's BETH that would have been bribed or
had a cozy enough relationship with Nagle to understand the joke (if it was
one). If Dan understood enough to be forwarded this email without comment, he
KNEW what this was all about because it didn't need to be explained, therefore
that indicated COLLUSION between Dan and Nagle. Does that spell it out for you?

So stop posting that someone was saying Hoort was bribed. No one said that.
2:21 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

The fuss about a $100 incentive to PTV is just stupid. PTV is a
nonprofit organization. A $100 donation is not a bribe to a government employee
or official, and the request wasn't made of a town government employee.
2:16 pm edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

Truro's chief reports to the selectmen but that can be a very bad idea, proof
was the last two chiefs they had, one very corrupt for many years and the other
a drunk. Keep in mind, the selectmen are volunteers, elected without any real
knowledge of leadership and no fear of repercussion i.e. loss of their jobs.
Professionals should report to professionals. If a TM fails to direct the chief,
they should be reprimanded by the selectmen if they have the spine and knowledge
to do so which this towns selectmen did not have initially when dealing with the
Lynn/Jaran issue. If the chief reports directly to the selectmen, they again
often don't have the spine or knowledge to take the right action, morally or
legally against the chief.
It's tricky but the selectmen need to keep in mind how a TM may deal with
certain situations if an issue comes up and this should all be revealed in the
upcoming interviews with potential TM candidates. Does each candidate have the
knowledge in how to deal with situations, regardless of the person or department
when it comes to reprimand while keeping in mind the legal aspects, the publics
potential reactions and the other employees reactions to their decisions. Not an
easy decision to make sometimes but that's the job of a true professional.
10:54 am edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

"I do have another question:  Any other Cape towns, besides Truro?"


Yes Wellfleet's Police Chief does too. You can look these up yourself. Google
the town, go to their website, find their charter, and when the PDF comes up
search on Police Chief. You'll find that MOST towns have them reporting directly
to the BOS.

Does that answer your question?
10:52 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

Any citizen should know employees can't take money for special favors
or for expediting something out of order! That's considered bribery & collusion!
Why do you think the bidding process in town government is set up the way it
is?People don't know about the working of the town charter. very different than
private industry where you can buy favors! Chain of command here: Police Chief
reports to T.Mgr. who reports to Bd. of S. On occasion Police Chief is asked to
appear before Selectmen if they have questions or concerns of an issue.  Pay
Attention!
10:50 am edt 

Re: Let Ms. Juriewiscz go to Truro

Some bloggers here were right. let Ms. Juriewiscz go to Truro. plenty
of land there for affordable housing! She made sure she paid herself very well
from Grants first to apply the rest to housing. We don't need that unaffordable
housing here anymore! Malone & her are the winners at towns expense!
10:48 am edt 

Re: Sharon Lynn - Et Al
 
"...the destructive administration of Sharon Lynn, Jeff Jaran, Ann
Mcguire (the unelected "mayor") and many people who were simply "enablers"..."


Lynn: Incompetent; we'll be working for years to clean up the mess she left us.
Jaran: Unemployable, for all the reasons we know and saw.'
Maquire: former political hack; has-been.
All of the above now rendered ineffectual.
10:45 am edt 

Re: Sharon Lynn

You have no basis for a civil action against Lynn.  Lack of ability to
perform a Job does not constitute a robust case for damages.

Thanks, M!
10:42 am edt 

Arbitrations

Yes,both Ms. Flores and Mr. Silva went to arbitration and they lost their cases
because of untruths and lies told by others and by administration. They were not
part of the good old boy network and did not look the other way on favoritism.
They spoke out if they saw not everyone was being treated equally.  That's all
water under the bridge now because they are no
Longer working for the town nor are a few of the people that were instrumental
in firing them.
10:41 am edt 

Wrong, Wrong, and Conflating Opposites

Arbitration for the questionable Jeff Jaran is part of a three part contract
that Sharon Lynn wrote and that the town legal counsel agreed to. Why? and why
indeed? This is not related in any way to what Darleen Flores had in arbitration
she had that right in her one step process. What Jeff is and has is a three
step process. Totally different. He did the  first step and then he can go to
step two which is arbitration and then he can go to the courts as part of step
three. There is no other legal counsel that would have ever--and I mean
ever--have agreed to this contract. and yet Kopelman & Page did. We should be
suing them. They are an abomination.

9:33 am edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

Are there towns on the Cape, besides Truro, which have the police
chief reporting directly to the BOS?
9:25 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

What was the intent of having Beth show a specific meeting if the
FinCom on a specific date?
9:23 am edt 

Re: As to Your Bribe Conspiracy
 
"Let's say you were a former town employee and two town officials and one well
known local businessman stepped forward and offered to pay off your contract..."


Let's say you got caught doing something illegal with other town employees
and/or non-employees. The prosecutor comes forward and says "I'll give you
immunity/let you cop a plea if you tell the jury what happened". Is that a
bribe?

Let's say you were the former Chief of Police and got caught with election signs
in the police station delivered by officers, and pressured other officers to
support your candidate that was for building a new police station. Let's say the
prosecutor comes to you and you're the guy in a picture bringing the signs into
the police station, and other cops will testify to that fact. The Prosecutor
says "if you testify that the former Chief told you to do this because he wanted
the new police station, we'll give you immunity". Is that a bribe? Would you
take the offer? Do you think someone just might?
9:19 am edt 

As to Your Bribe Conspiracy

So, you expect me to believe that Candace Nagle, the queen of public information
requests, is going to bribe a public official via email and copy other people on
it.  Because that's just what you want to do when you bribe someone, tell a
bunch of people about it and make a potentially public record of it.  Right.

I don't see how you could possibly establish that a bribe took place to begin
with.  Not only does Beth not accept Candace's offer of a donation, she never
even acknowledges it.  Most importantly however, she never fulfills the
condition of the alleged bribe! She didn't post the video early as requested.

You also expect me to believe that the money was funneled to Dan via Robert and
PTV.  Gee, that Candace is clever, isn't she?  Because that's just what you want
to do when you bribe someone, write a personal check.  Not only that but a check
to another entity entirely because you'd want to involve lots of hands the check
would have to pass through before Dan ended up with any cash.  Being a
non-profit,PTV's own bookkeepers and accountants as well as the IRS would surely
take note of a board member receiving funds.  But I suppose a $100 bribe is
worth the risk of being charged with embezzlement and money laundering.

Doesn't common sense tell you that if Candace were truly bribing Dan she'd have
done it over the phone and slipped him cash in person?

But let's assume it all went down as you say it did.   You're telling me this
was all so Dan's assistant would post the video of the previous day's Finance
Committee Meeting in the evening rather than the following morning.  This would
have been a meeting that had already been broadcast live on cable TV, as all the
Finance Committee and BOS meetings are.  And what's so wrong about that? 
Really, tell me, I want to know because in order for there to have been a bribe,
Candace would have had to offer money to Dan to betray his responsibility to the
public. Even if the video had been posted earlier than scheduled, I don't see
how it could be seen as a betrayal or violation of any sort.

But what do I know?  Since you feel so strongly about this I highly suggest you
pursue the allegation.  You haven't wasted enough of everyone's time yet. 
Contact the State Ethics Commission and get the ball rolling on an
investigation.  Let me know how that works out for you.
9:14 am edt 


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