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Monday, September 1, 2014

Re: Sharon Lynn

"Can we explore suing Lynn for not supervising her subordinate Jaran
properly, to the point were things escalated to where we are now?  She has to
own a huge part of what happened with this guy.  She was her chief enabler,
defending him, and treating as perpetrators those who brought complaints about
him."


You have no basis for a civil action against Lynn.  Lack of ability to perform a
Job does not constitute a robust case for damages.
12:59 am edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

"Truro's Police chief reports to the Board of Selectmen. Do you have
another?"


I do have another question:  Any other Cape towns, besides Truro?
12:29 am edt 

Sunday, August 31, 2014

As to Your Bribe Conspiracy


Let's say you were a former town employee and two town officials and one well
known local businessman stepped forward and offered to pay off your contract
with town funds if you agreed to sign an affidavit implicating a former chair of
the Board of Selectmen.  Under your definition it sounds like a bribe to me.  
Agree?
7:31 pm edt 

Do Your Jobs, Selectmen and FINCOM!

We have many challenges in town government, which were inherited from
the destructive administration of Sharon Lynn, Jeff Jaran, Ann Mcguire (the
unelected "mayor") and many people who were simply "enablers" of this
controversial and greedy, power hungry group of people who managed to take over
our town  government!!

We have changed mush of that at the election booth and by re-call.

However we are currently slowed down making any forward decisions or progress by
many people in senior positions undermining any progressive or meaningful change
that doesn't enrich them.

Two people who immediately come to mind are Dan Hoort and Robert Klytta, his
"partner".

Hoort continually makes statements and undermines the BOS and FINCOM, publicly.
And Klytta serves to undermine from his committee memberships, and his political
blog. How does the acting town manager not advise his senior employees to let
them make policy statements....unless Hoort has somehow gotten the manager to
endorse his shenanigans.

How is this allowed to happen by the BOS?. Why do the majority of voters who are
displeased with Hoort, Klytta, Sgt. Koumenelis, Gardner, and some other
employees that are biding their time, taking our money, messing up our town
government and doing so freely.

Take charge, BOS and FINCOM!!!! You were elected by a majority to do the right
thing, get rid of the remnents of the Lynn administration before it takes our
town down the same road we managed to avoid at our elections in may.

Nothing will happen here until certain town employees and committee members are
changed, cleaned up.

DO YOUR JOBS, Selectmen and FINCOM!
7:29 pm edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

I suggest you read MA General Laws, Chapter 43B Section 11  very carefully. In
it you'll find that we don't need a charter committee to do anything.

Shall this (city) (town) approve the (insert new charter recommended by the
charter commission or charter revision recommended by the charter commission or
charter amendment proposed by the (city council) (town meeting), as appropriate)
summarized below?

Notice the option "charter amendment proposed by the town meeting...". After you
do that, read the Provincetown Charter beginning and look at all the amendments
there and ask someone if we had a Charter Committee do any of those. So the town
can, and will, amend the charter without a committee. In fact, if some of these
people want to go the route of an elected committee, you realize it would be at
least 2 years before anything was on a ballot, and that it's a complete up or
down on the ENTIRE proposal, right? That means if anyone disagrees with any
provision, and votes no, the whole thing goes down. So you might want to
seriously rethink that option.
7:26 pm edt 

Arbitration

Jaran isn't the only town employee who is afforded arbitration. No
preferential treatment there. Trying to make up some sort of collusion makes
your argument very weak.  Think back on former town employees Darlene (town hall
employee) and Larry Silvia (cop) who were terminated. They both fought their
terminations in arbitration
7:24 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"If a citizen wanted to get something expidited and offered a donation
I see that as a thoughtful and gracious thing. You see a conspiratorial bribe.  One of
us lives in the real world. One of us lives in a dark place filled with fear and
loathing.  In which world do you live?"


The quote above was obviously made by a person who has $100.00 in disposable
cash to bribe the "public" TV station to do what they want, everybody doesn't
have the free cash to do so. Does that make the playing field uneven and
"stacked" for people who can afford to pay for service or priority. Give me a
break, if one wants to donate they don't donate with conditions, they just
donate!! We are not stupid!
7:22 pm edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

"Hmm, if only there was a way to change the charter to reflect your wishes.  I
know, let's start up an ad hoc committee to update the charter."



You obviously don't know much about the Charter, do you? We can amend it anytime
without a committee. It's been done several times in this town. And, in fact,
there will be amendments introduced at the Fall STM and most likely in the
Spring as well. No Ad Hoc needed. Again, another person who doesn't know
anything about the subject matter writing online. Who'd have thought?
7:19 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

"If a citizen wanted to get something expidited (sic) and offered a donation I
see that as a thoughtful and gracious thing."



You can't really have just posted this unless your sense of morality is
seriously screwed up. When someone literally says "I'll give you X if you do Y"
**that's the textbook definition of a bribe**. Wow, just wow. You must be one of
the people running amok in town we're talking about because normal people
understand what just happened there. I can't even believe someone typed that
with a straight face.
11:17 am edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

Re: The BoS should hire town town counsel and they and the police
chief should report to them.

Hmm, if only there was a way to change the charter to reflect your wishes.  I
know, let's start up an ad hoc committee to update the charter.  I would like to
state for the record that if such a Committee is formed, this post in no way is
part of a conspiracy to make the above mentioned changes happen.
11:07 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

WOW. You really should take a deep breath. A citizen requests that a
previously recorded FINCOM meeting be posted online and offers to donate 100
dollars to the nonprofit public access cable in order to expidite the process
and you see a conspiracy and a bribe. You have an overactive imagination.  PTV
is available to everyone and they accept donations from anyone.  They record
meetings and post them online as part of their normal operations.

If a citizen wanted to get something expidited and offered a donation I see that
as a thoughtful and gracious thing. You see a conspiratorial bribe.  One of
lives in the real world. One of us lives in a dark place filled with fear and
loathing.  In which world do you live?

Next time WOMR has a pledge drive, I hope you don't report them for extortion. 
After all,  by your logic asking for money in order to continue on air activity
would be considered blackmail.
11:01 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle, Dan Hoort & PTV

"Would You Be Surprised to Know that Dan Hoort's partner Bob Kyletta
is on the Board of PTV?"



If Candace did give a donation in order to have something broadcast on PTV or
re-broadcast, then there is something quite wrong. But what a surprise! Dan
Hoort's partner sitting on the Board of Directors of PTV. and yes, he is also on
the charter Commission with guess who??Dan Hoort, illegally elected to serve on
this commission while ruling on his own position.

Smells funny doesn't it?
10:58 am edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?


"On the Cape, to whom do their police chiefs report?"


Truro's police chief reports to the Board of Selectmen. Do you have another
question?
10:33 am edt 

Re: Email Perusal

"And BTW, she owns property in Ptown..."


Boy your waaaaay behind the times, you need to catch up! Nagle lives in Truro
(where she always has btw) and sold her Provincetown property last year. So she
is not a resident nor is she a second homeowner. Again, she resides in Truro and
winters in Florida, so she's not even there year-round. Didn't you pay attention
to the Resident Sticker controversy, and how she got the sticker on an illegal
registration?

You have 30 days in MA to change your registration after you "move". It was
more than 30 days after she sold her property in town, so therefore, she had to
present an illegal registration/license to the parking people at the police station
to get the sticker. But because it's her, no one ever questioned it and still won't.

I was told David Gardner said "case closed". What does that tell you about him?
You want to trust him now?
10:31 am edt 

Re: Email Perusal

"Stick with Occam's Razor instead, the simplest explanation is most likely to be
the truth."


OK let's do that. Complete the sentence: "When someone offers another person
(especially a public servant) money to do a job more quickly, especially for
them, or do a job differently, it is called...."

Webster's definition of bribe:

To try to get someone to do something by giving or promising something valuable
(such as money) : to give or offer a bribe to (someone)
10:11 am edt 

Re: Email Perusal

"No one accused anyone of bribing Hoort." 


Really? Your opening statement strongly implied that Candace's email was
"unethical" and represented a "bribe."
But if you've come to see things as I do, that Candace's offer doesn't meet the
criteria for a bribe, then why do you have a problem with Dan's non-response? 
He didn't report anything because there was no attempted bribery to report.

Your attempt to use "simple logic" to decipher hidden meanings and motivations
in the brief emails is neither simple nor logical.  When you start talking about
secret meetings and unspoken mutual understandings, you cross the line into
conspiracy theory territory.  Leave those to John La Carre.  Stick with Occam's
Razor instead, the simplest explanation is most likely to be the truth.

My reading comprehension skills are excellent, yours give me apprehension.
7:43 am edt 

Re: Email Perusal

Candace is in charge

It's amazing how much she owns everyone in this blog. A day can't go by without
a complaint of what happened in the past. Move forward and fix the problems,
stop whining. She's one person and all that complain about her, well, she is
certainly winning the campaign. Don't think she isn't reading this blog and
seeing all of your complaints about her. It only makes her stronger.

And BTW, she owns property in Ptown and has every right to complain about issues
in Ptown whether she's a yearrounder or not. She pays taxes to the town (unlike
most of the whiners in here) and every right to speak out.
7:38 am edt 

Cost Recovery

Can we explore suing Lynn for not supervising her subordinate Jaran
properly, to the point were things escalated to where we are now?  She has to
own a huge part of what happened with this guy.  She was her chief enabler,
defending him, and treating as perpetrators those who brought complaints about
him.
7:37 am edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

"Additionally, the Police Chief should also report to the BOS."


On the Cape, to whom do their police chiefs report?
7:32 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran Gone!

"Obviously Selectman Yingling does not understand contracts then. It
appears we taxpayers need to pay closer attention to who we elect in office to
run our government for us."



I'd Rather have Yingling on the BOS than any of those previously elected BOS who
created, and implemented the clusterf - - -k we have now.
7:25 am edt 

Re: Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

It now becomes immanently obvious that the Town Counsel  should
be chosen by and report to the BOS and not the Town Manger, given the fiasco of 
the Jaran contract.

Additionally, the Police Chief should also report to the BOS.
12:55 am edt 

Who Did They Work For... Jaran or the Town?

It's time for the current firm we pay as town counsel and us to part
ways.  Jaran's sweetheart deal of a contract is a good example of why we need to
do so.  The firm hasn't acted in the town's best interest.
12:44 am edt 

Jeff Jaran Gone!

A previous post stated Erik Yingling as saying Jaran should not be rewarded.
Obviously Selectman Yingling does not understand contracts then. It appears we
taxpayers need to pay closer attention to who we elect in office to run our
government for us.
12:42 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle & PTV

Candace's $100 "donation" to PTV was to be given solely if Beth
fulfilled her request of showing on a specific day a specific FinCom meeting.
12:40 am edt 

Re: Email Perusal

If I were one of the people involved in the schemes revealed by the
recently posted e-mails, I'd hide from embarrassment.  These e-mails have
unmasked for all of us to see who they truly are.
12:10 am edt 

Candace Nagle & PTV

We need to ascertain if PTV did acquiesce to Nagel's request which she
coupled with a $100 donation to the station.  If Beth did as Nagel requested,
and the request didn't follow proper channels, Beth should be summarily
terminated.  Controlling the Banner, PTV... Any wonder such distrust by the
citizens was engendered by the cabal.
12:08 am edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-mails - Dan Hoort

"Consistently there IS NO freedom of information act request, she just
emails him and he delivers. He consistently bypasses protocol and even gets
called out on it (finally) because ALL those requests are supposed to go to the
TOWN CLERK..."



I'm sure the self-destructing ad hoc town charter revision committee addressed
this very same issue in their recommendations.
12:05 am edt 

Dan Hoort & Candace Nagle

Candy now is in Truro, so if Hoort gets a job there, the two of them
can play together again forever.
12:04 am edt 

Re: Email Perusal

"So from the looks of it, Hoort, Maquire, Jaran, Lynn, Beth, the other
Beth, and Cohen were under CN's thumb, and did all of her bidding."


Agreed she controlled the individuals listed above  like little puppets.
12:02 am edt 

Saturday, August 30, 2014

Re: Email Perusal

Who sits on the board of PTV?
11:59 pm edt 

Re: Email Perusal

"Whoever is trying to accuse Candace of bribing Dan"


Stop right there and let's discuss your reading comprehension skills. That's not
what the post says. The post says that the email in which Nagle offers to donate
$100 to PTV and sends that offer to Beth is **forwarded** to Dan Hoort. Then it
goes on to say, what **should** have Hoort done when he saw this? The big
nothing that he did, or should he have reported it to someone? No one accused
anyone of bribing Hoort. He was accused of doing nothing with this suspicious
email because of his relationship with Nagle in that post.

So if you want to quibble with what it says, then just come out and say it was
OK for him to do nothing. But then you might ask yourself exactly **why** Hoort
was **forwarded** this email by Nagle in the first place? Why would Hoort be
**forwarded without comment** this email unless he understood what it meant? And
if he understood what it meant what does that mean? It's not conspiracy theory,
it's just simple logic and reading comprehension and looking at the emails. What
it means to me is there was an off-record discussion and he knew completely what
Nagle was up to, and she was verifying this by forwarding the email to him. And
he did nothing because he was in on it. Again, reading comprehension.
11:57 pm edt 

Re: E-mail Perusal

I didn't realize that for a mere $100, we could all choose what to
broadcast and when to broadcast it.  Good to know!
10:48 pm edt 

Re: Email Perusal

So from the looks of it, Hoort, Maquire, Jaran, Lynn, Beth, the other
Beth, and Cohen were under CN's thumb, and did all of her bidding.
10:46 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-mails - Dan Hoort

"all these public officials granted Candace Nagle her requests. All public
documents were given to her immediately"



No, it's actually worse than that. Take a look through even a few of them and
*one name*...one name comes up more than anyone else's...DAN HOORT.

Consistently there IS NO freedom of information act request, she just emails him
and he delivers. He consistently bypasses protocol and even gets called out on
it (finally) because ALL those requests are supposed to go to the TOWN CLERK and
NOT DAN HOORT. Time after time he's cc'd, or forwarded emails or delivers
directly. Why is this not a termination offense? He'also recently posted town
documents on Facebook before anyone in the town EVER SAW THEM. No meetings have
taken place, and no discussion. Who does he think he is?

If the BOS now has any brains, they'll go over all this with the new Town
Manager on hire and let him or her make a decision about this. But by-passing
the Town Clerk and posting Town documents without the OK of the Acting Town
Manager HAS to be a fireable offense. Where the hell is David Gardner in this?
Why does he do NOTHING?
10:42 pm edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

"Do you really think ALL our town attorneys we pay big bucks for would even
bother with arbitration in the first place if that was the case?"


Ummm...you do realize that our wonderful town counsel (you know, the ones that
have been in town for like 20 years sucking money out of us) WROTE ARBITRATION
INTO HIS CONTRACT. The contract was posted online. They gave him everything in
that contract, and left the town hung out to dry. So arbitration isn't a choice
here, it's in his contract. And if he loses HE gets to appeal. If the town
loses, the town DOES NOT. Ask yourself how THAT happened? Oh right! Sharon
directed it, along with the old corrupt BOS and the people copied on all those
emails in that link. This is why Town Counsel needs to go and the work just
needs to be awarded to some other firm entirely. How any "town counsel" could
have screwed the people employing them over any more, I don't know. It's
practically malpractice, and if not, it indicates a Town Hall out of control.
Get a copy of Jaran's contract and you'll be completely outraged. We need to get
rid of anyone and everyone linked to these people. Until !
we do that, they'll keep haunting us or trying to come back from the dead.
Let's just pay the guy the least we can and move on. And then good luck to him.
10:33 pm edt 

Re: Email Perusal

Whoever is trying to accuse Candace of bribing Dan must be so desperate to
uncover something incriminating in the emails as to not be thinking clearly. 
For it to have been a bribe Candace would have to have been asking Dan to do
something against the best interest of the town.  Asking for a public meeting to
be posted on a public website sooner rather than later is not against anyone's
interests.  Besides, there's no indication the offer of a donation was ever
accepted or put forth.  I also fail to understand how an offer to donate money
to PTV could be constituted as a payoff to the Finance Director.  It has no
personal or professional value to him.  It's like saying that challenging people
to either dump a bucket of ice water over their head or donate money to ALS is a
bribe and not an incentive.


10:29 pm edt 

Candace Nagle's E-mails

So For a mere $100, Candy directed the PTV Director to broadcast
Candy's obsession dujour.

Repulsive.
10:27 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-mails

In E-mail after E-Mail by Candace Nagle there is a Request for Public
documents

Request for statement made at BOS meetings; request for people's addresses to
Richard Faust and the Assessor; request to Sharon Lynn for e-mails she received
from the chair of Fincom; requests for traffic violations on the part of the BOS
and then traffic violations on the part of Fincom members. this is a sick and
sad list of e-mails---and yet, yes, an yet--all these public officials granted
Candace Nagle her requests. All public documents were given to her
immediately---and yet we are still waiting for the 100 e-mails that have been
requested for over six to eight months.

Some have privilege. some ask and get. this continual, almost daily, request and
demands by Candace Nagle is revolting. she should have been cast aside like an
annoying fly. but no, Sharon jumped to satisfy and so do town official after
town official.

Sharon may not have had time for the townies but she surely had time--almost
every day--for this conniving and demanding woman.
10:18 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle and the Second Homeowners Association

You are 100% right.

Just pick ONE.  Even if it isn't the town you don't live in!  PERIOD.
9:50 pm edt 

Candace Nagle and the Second Homeowners Association

A Year Ago: Candace Nagle Setting up the Second Homeowners Group

Look at the e-mails and she is requesting from the Assessor information on who
owns what and where. and for what??/Second homeowners association. since she no
longer lives here--she is that second homeowner.

Every group that has questionable issues--look under the rock to find her scent.
she is still part of this second Homeowners group demanding to vote in two
places; demanding to sit on boards in whatever place they have a house;
demanding to be heard wherever they own property.

Wrong and wrong again. Pick your town and pick where you pay taxes and file your
taxes. Pick ONE that's all you get to pick.
9:47 pm edt 

Jeff Jaran - Gone!!

I am glad Jeff Jaran is gone--that is the Key point

and if he gets money, so be it. the town should [have] settled with him before but the
old BOS refused. Not very smart of them and Yingling stating Jaran should not be
rewarded. It has nothing to do with rewards but a settlement that let's him
leave forever and a payment that is reasonable for the town. He was bad for
Provincetown and would have militarized every venue here--from the pier to the
streets to anywhere residents were.

He is gone and I am thankful for his absence. He is already a loser so even if
he gets monies in a contract written and shaped b y another police chief--Sharon
Lynn--then so be it.

Take the money and just leave.
9:44 pm edt 

Re: Read it and Weep

"Government works when citizens get involved and work with
staff or other elected and appointed officials to further an idea."



How Foolish to View This as Civic Engagement

It is but the opposite. It is the attempt to usurp power, to undermine those in
official positions and to convince some to use and misuse this power for an
inner circle's goals and power. It is manipulative and anti-democratic. It is
collusive and corruptive. That is what I see when I examine these town official
e-mails.
9:22 pm edt 

Rangers at Herring Cove

Was told today by a few people that rangers were out in full force
today at Herring Cove way to the left by Wood end ticketing people for nude
sunbathing, and dogs off leash.  It was said they were on there buggies hiding
in dunes and pouncing!  Why can't we have a legal nude section on the national
seashore?
9:21 pm edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

"My money is on Jaran. His arbitration is being managed off Cape.
Independent people looking in and seeing nothing but a shit show. The town
really up this one."



How would you have done it?
9:19 pm edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

"but I'd opt for just quiet little payout and her (and whatever it is
you call that woman) go on to greener pastures in New Hampshire."



You'll opt? What makes you think your opinion matters at the arbitration table? 
The rest of your comment concerning "that woman and New Hampshire" doesn't make
a lick of sense. Try again when you're        .

9:10 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-mails

No I don't Believe the Most Devastating E-mails were posted

just some that some posted. there are thousands and they all point in one
direction: Sharon Lynn, Candace nagle, Dan Hoort and Jeff Jaran in cohoots with
each other and using town authority to work their deals for themselves. All
self-serving and rather illegal.
9:07 pm edt 

Re: Let's Hope Truro Takes Jarusiewicz

Better to hire an outside Town Manager who is not indebted to any one
or agency here now! Jarusiewicz is too involved with more affordable housing
that's not affordable And will be working for her cause & old cronies that we
just got rid of if she's Town Mgr..The same with David that's there now! too
connected to the old order!
9:05 pm edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

Prosecuting Jaran???? are you kidding???? You really must be drinking
the cool aid because if there was any chance this was a criminal matter, this
would have gone to the DA or Attorney Generals Office from the beginning. Do you
really think ALL our town attorneys we pay big bucks for would even bother with
arbitration in the first place if that was the case?! I predict this will be
extremely costly for the town regardless of how arbitration ends.
9:03 pm edt 

Re: Email Perusal

Since you're so lazy that you can't search on keywords in an archive, please
answer this question: when a town official is offered money to do something or
is copied on an offer, this is called:

a) perfectly ok
b) normal for Provincetown
c) a bribe
d) unethical
e) both c and d

When a town employee is forwarded this offer on official town email, it becomes
that town employee's duty to do:

a) Nothing since it's a friend
b) Nothing because it's not his business
c) Immediately tell his supervisor
d) Immediately file the email with the Town Clerk
e) both c and d

From: Candace Nagle
To: Dan Hoort
Subject: FW: donation
Date: Thursday, March 07, 2013 8:02:49 PM

From: Beth
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 7:23 PM
To: Candace Nagle
Subject: Re: donation

Hi Candace, Just got your note. Not possible for me to do it tonight but I
promise to process first thing in the morning. Will send you the link when it's
ready.
Beth
Sent from my iPad, please excuse typos

On Mar 7, 2013, at 6:15 PM, "Candace Nagle" wrote:

Hey Beth, Any chance you can get the FinCom meeting up tonight on PTV? Ill give
PTV a $100.00 donation.

Thanks, Candace

Oh but wait dear readers, there's MUCH more like this! And again, the SAME
PEOPLE ARE COPIED. Give you all 3 guesses on who those people are.
8:59 pm edt 

Re: Read it and Weep

Re: The point I'm making was made by the emails already printed. No
conspiracy, just politically active citizens acting on their civic duty.

Thank you [for] making the point I couldn't really formulate.  If they really believe
there was a conspiracy they have no idea how a civic government works which
could be the case.  Government works when citizens get involved and work with
staff or other elected and appointed officials to further an idea.
8:57 pm edt 

E-mail Saga

While the myriad email discourse illustrates the obsessive, dillusional and
distored belief of one individual's self-importantance, it also represents a sad
commentary of what has become Provincetown society: ME. Not YOU.

Take a deep breath and think about it.

It is much the same today as it was way back when those refuguees seeking
pilgrimage in 1620, wanting a different way of life, set out to sail to a "new
world." It was all about them.

So why are we complaining? What little has changed in nearly five centuries?
When you dial it down, it appears that all we care about is one thing: ME. Not
YOU.



8:55 pm edt 

Friday, August 29, 2014

Re: Email Perusal

I commented on this blog about emails that were copied onto this blog as
evidence of a grand conspiracy.  Based on the emails presented as evidence of
conspriacy I saw none and commented the same. Nether I nor I suspect many others
are going to spend a great deal of time pouring over thousands of pages of
emails looking for dark conspiracies.

Since you have, I suggest you copy the emails which prove the point you are
trying to make. The point I'm making was made by the emails already printed. No
conspiracy, just politically active citizens acting on their civic duty.
8:41 pm edt 

Re: Read it and Weep

If You don't read the E-mails, then you Have No conclusions

If you are too tired, too uninvolved and can't read through them, then don't
expect to comment with brilliance on non-knowledge. Read and know. Otherwise,
let others who have present the conclusions.
3:58 pm edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

I also think that Mr Jaran should be quite careful when it comes to whatever
goes on at arbitration because of the reason he was let go. As far as I know,
electioneering is a prosecutable crime. So if Mr Jaran doesn't want to go away
quietly and cheaply, I'm sure it can be arranged to prosecute him for that
particular misdeed, as the evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt. And you'd be
surprised who'll be the first to roll over when they're also on the block. In
some sort of karmic way, I think he OUGHT to be prosecuted, but I'd opt for just
a quiet little payout and her (and whatever it is you call that woman) go on to
greener pastures in New Hampshire.
3:56 pm edt 

Re: Read it and Weep

"Did I even follow the link to the emails?"

"The answer to your question is no, I have no intention of sifting through three
thousand pages of emails..."



Then why are you posting about this? What do you have to contribute if you're too
lazy to even check facts? I guess we can all stop reading whatever drivel you
wrote right about that sentence. Just another internet troll.
3:55 pm edt 

Let's Hope Truro Takes Jarusiewicz

She might have been ok many, many years
back-=-before Sharon Lynn--but not now. she is too part of them. She is too much
intricately linked to Hoort, Knight, Anderson, McChesney, and even Gardner. She
is of what once was here that we finally got rid of. This is the time for fresh
ideas, vision, and the future. Let Truro take her--please. she would not do well
here at this time. She would take us back into the arms of Ann McQuire.
3:51 pm edt 

Re: Read it and Weep

"Did I even follow the link to the emails?"


The answer to your question is no, I have no intention of sifting through three
thousand pages of emails in order to find evidence supporting a preconceived
position as you have.  I based my statement on the emails copied here wherein
people like MJA, ML,and TD were CC' D.  One would assume that you would have
posted the most damning evidence here.  Oh that's right, now the real evidence
is in the secret 100 emails held back.  I guess we'll have to wait another year
for those as the new secret cabal is holding back the emails of the old secret
cabal in order to protect them. Because we all know the old cabal and the new
cabal have nothing but love for each other.

So unless you think the above mentioned cc people were part of the old cabal as
well as the new cabal, My opinion stands.  I saw nothing more than evidence of
concerned citizens acting within the proscribed rules in an attempt to effect
democratic changes beneficial to town.  Now instead of perusing thousands of
pages of email, Why don't you go outside and look for black NSA helicopters or
something. You Might not find another conspiracy but at least you'll be out in
the fresh air.
12:16 pm edt 

Take Care

I got involved in local politics when Jeff Jaran was the chief of
police . He was the wrong person for the job in this town. This may cost more
money in the long run than his contract. However, I believe that his drunken
tirades around town and inappropriate behavior at work would have been much more
costly overall. We have had a big change in local politics and now, right now is
the time for those elected to the BOS to be careful with all actions taken.
10:40 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

"If Jaran loses, simple. He's gone. The town owes him nothing."


Not so.  Jaran's contact specifically allows him to then go to the courts.
10:38 am edt 

Re: Read it and Weep


"Are those secret emails you speak of the ones where many parties other than the
secret cabal was CC'd on. That's a hell of a way to keep a secret by copying
your plans to everyone and their mother."



Did you even look through the link? No you didn't. Because if you did you'd see
that the emails ARE NOT copied to "everyone and their mother". They're copied to
the same FEW individuals. THAT'S the problem. If you're going to post on here,
don't post lies and garbage. Look through and post THE TRUTH. Those emails were
between VERY few people and no one at town hall thought they'd ever see the
light of day (and they fought like hell to keep them, hence the high charge and
held-back 100). But obviously you like being fooled. We don't.
10:36 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

You almost had Jarran's arbitration right. I'm pretty sure that the
real reason Jarran's buy out would come at a premium is in the "denying of
reinstatement"  And NOT because of the BOS. State law says "the denial" of his
job back must come at a premium to the employee. AND remember our elected and
appointed officials promised the union that no matter what he won't come back.
So now we have to pay TOP dollar. And that's where the town "" up.
10:33 am edt 

Re: And the Exodus Continues!

And now Jarusiewicz!! Finalist for both TM/TA positions, Truro has always wanted
someone with grant writing background (it was a regionalization idea) and now
she could be offered the job in the town where she lives for more money than
what's offered here and soooooo much less vitriol.

Way to go Ptown! We've lowered the salary in a time of crisis and now we've
lowered the bar for competent people to apply. Half as many applied here as
opposed to Truro?

Again, we get the government we deserve.
10:31 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

Jaran's dismissal - sometimes you just have to stop yourself from
caving in, when the law is on your side.
10:26 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

Watching how the Ferguson Police Department handled the Brown shooting
reminded of our former Police Chief.
10:24 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

"Jaran isn't hurting for dollars. He sold his condo for $850K the
other day."


He has expensive hobbies.
10:22 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

Jeff will never win his case.  We have enough on him to sink him.  It
will be played out publicly, which will make him untouchable by many employers.
10:20 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

So Sharon Lynn, Town Counsel and the BOS at the time gave JJ a
sweetheart deal of a contract?

We had a cesspool for town government then, and it's all coming out now.
10:18 am edt 

Thursday, August 28, 2014

Re: Jeff Jaran

Jaran isn't hurting for dollars. He sold his condo for $850K the other
day. He only paid around $400 for it. Not bad.
11:27 pm edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

They should be part of the case, as well as his involvement in the Koumenelis
case and the texts from Jaran's partner Kim and the threats to friends of
Koumenelis. Let the past and all the corruption and manipulation and      
usage--yes, for all of them-- be part of the arbitration case. Let the real,
ugly facts surface and then see if Jaran gets anywhere.

11:26 pm edt 

Former Police Chief

We heard his home here sold so perhaps he's not planning on staying even if he
wins his case.
11:24 pm edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

I hate to be the bearer of BAD news but I can confidently tell you
that you don't understand how arbitration works. And that's NOT an insult. I was
floored when I heard from the horse's mouth what Jaran's arbitration means. So
here's how it was explained:

If Jaran loses, simple. He's gone. The town owes him nothing.

If Jaran wins his arbitration, ONLY TWO things can happen. The town MUST make
Jaran "WHOLE" contractually ONE of TWO WAYS: 1) Reinstate Jaran and back pay his
salary and benefits beginning from the day he was fired. OR 2) Buy out the
balance of his contract (BUT here's Jaran's caveat....) AT A PREMIUM! Why you
ask?!! GOOD question and one that we ought to ask our elected officials! Because
the BOS turned down Jaran's offer for a buy out and they said no, the chief now
is due his contract balance "at a premium". Hence the number of being thrown
around of $500,000.

AND it gets worse.  If Jaran wins his arbitration, BY LAW it must come out of
the town treasury and NOT, I repeat, NOT covered by the town's liability policy.
And brace yourself, that Jaran will turn around and civilly sue the town which
does come out of liability at the tune of seven digits.

My money is on Jaran. His arbitration is being managed off Cape. Independent
people looking in and seeing nothing but a shit show. The town really        up
this one.
11:22 pm edt 

Re: Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee

So...the ones who thought it was a great idea to have an Advisory or
Ad Hoc Review Committee are the very same ones that are now saying that it's an
ineffective committee.  Poor people...
11:18 pm edt 

Re: Suggestion

"At next town meeting a article be presented that if the town looses
pending law suit any  monies awarded be raised from budget cuts in
all departments. No additional positions created etc.

The taxpayers should not have to pay these costs."


The one who should have to pay is Jaran's BFF, Sharon Lynn.  If she was a
doctor, she would be sued for malpractice.  Why should Provincetown pay for her
n competent and enabling mismanagement?
11:16 pm edt 

Provinctown Police

And this is the first summer that we have all the summer traffic cops
downtown doing it right.

We hadn't had competent oversight there, with the exception of Jared, since
Jaran got did of the Dancing Cop.

So police services are now more efficient, without the police state mentality,
and the sour puss faces under sunglasses.
11:13 pm edt 

Withheld Emails

Vince and Dietor- Can you both please elaborate on these held back
emails , why and the liklihood of ever getting them released. I believe you both
are the best sources for this info . Thanks in advance.
11:11 pm edt 

Re: Suggestion

"Jaran will win his arbitration.  He has amassed a formidable case for
himself."


This is Propaganda at its best people. Do not fall for it. Just my opinion.
11:09 pm edt 

Re: Read it and weep

Are those secret emails you speak of the ones where many parties other than the
secret cabal was CC'd on.  That's a hell of a way to keep a secret by copying
your plans to everyone and their mother.  It looks to me more like a group of
active concerned citizens trying use the established rules to make changes
beneficial to the town. If you could put aside your personal vendettas for a bit
you might see it as many others do.

I for one agree with having an elected finance committee.   It is undemocratic
for one person whoever they are to single handedly appoint an entire committee. 
Especially when that committee has so much power, real or imagined that is.

In closing I do read and weep. I weep for your sanity when you see secret
conspiracies behind every action.
11:08 pm edt 

Re: Suggestion

"Well these cases are very complicated and you have to remember what he was fired
for (electioneering) and the fact that there is testimony and pictures of Austin
Knight's signs in the station. Furthermore, there is the letter from the Union
about him. He's not allowed to argue about anything but what he was fired for.
And that was quite clear. My bet is that he'll get salary up to the point he was
employed (at best) which is a little over a year, if he wins or they decide he
should have been given something. But he was fired for cause, a cause that's
provable. And yes Mary-Jo and others wanted to settle, but the BOS at the time
did not. Where people get the idea that this amounts to millions is beyond me.
It's based on his contract, the term, and the reasons he was dismissed. What
he's saying is there wasn't sufficient reason to dismiss him. But there was. So
now it's about contract law. Also remember if they say he should get his job
back, we'll go to court. So he'll never come back, but let's hope arbitration
gives him some simple payout (or nothing) and then we'll never have to hear about him
again."


This man will NEVER win.Not with the evidence against him.   My guess Kimmy is
now posting on this blog. Btw- how is life dear Kim?
3:42 pm edt
11:06 pm edt 

Re: Suggestion

"Jaran will win his arbitration.  He has amassed a formidable case for
himself.'



Are you his lawyer?  Are you jaran?  How did you get all the details about his
"formidable" case?  I think none of this.  Just plain old fashioned BS.  One of
those dopes who thinks that being negative is the most fun there is.  Hurt the
powers that be is your only goal in your pitiful little anonymous blogging life.
11:03 pm edt 

Re: Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee

"It states on a town e-mails that Sharon Lynn, Ann MaQuire, and
Candace Nagle were working in secret to start such a working group and then they
would create a public group to carry out their wishes."


This is just plain nuts.  Secrets and cabals! Like a Dan Brown novel.  There is
no way that the charter gets changed without the voters being totally involved
in open debate.  If you really think that it can be done in secret you are
smoking or drinking some powerful stuff.

How would they Create a public group?  And what would this public group do? 
Rise up with an insurrection ala ISIS?  Are you thinking Jamestown and cool aid? 
Again,  nuts
11:00 pm edt 

Re: Suggestion

"Jaran will win his arbitration.  He has amassed a formidable case for himself."


Well these cases are very complicated and you have to remember what he was fired
for (electioneering) and the fact that there is testimony and pictures of Austin
Knight's signs in the station. Furthermore, there is the letter from the Union
about him. He's not allowed to argue about anything but what he was fired for.
And that was quite clear. My bet is that he'll get salary up to the point he was
employed (at best) which is a little over a year, if he wins or they decide he
should have been given something. But he was fired for cause, a cause that's
provable. And yes Mary-Jo and others wanted to settle, but the BOS at the time
did not. Where people get the idea that this amounts to millions is beyond me.
It's based on his contract, the term, and the reasons he was dismissed. What
he's saying is there wasn't sufficient reason to dismiss him. But there was. So
now it's about contract law. Also remember if they say he should get his job
back, we'll go to court. So he'll never come back, but let's hope arbitration gives
him some simple payout (or nothing) and then we'll never have to hear about him again.
3:42 pm edt 

Re: Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee

"Where did the idea come from to form an Ad Hoc Committee to recommend
changes to the Charter?"



The Answer to Where the Revision of the Charter committee Came from
is.....
Found in the e-mails that had been posted here a week ago. Please post again!

It states on a town e-mails that Sharon Lynn, Ann MaQuire, and Candace Nagle
were working in secret to start such a working group and then they would create
a public group to carry out their wishes.

It is a devastating e-mail showing collusion by the town manager, Ann MaQuire
and crazed Candace Nagle. This was planned over a year and a half ago, if not
two years back. Say there was no cabal? read and weep.
3:37 pm edt 

Re: Settlements

If I am not mistaken the town has liability insurance.   This is usually where
money for lawsuits against the town come from.  (At least I hope so) if not
Some in town gov't have not been very good watchdogs.
11:32 am edt 

Re: Suggestion

Here's a suggestion. Save us all money, and do it the MOST cost
effective way. Jaran will win his arbitration.  He has amassed a formidable case
for himself.  The town missed the opportunity to buy out his contract. Mary Jo
Avellar was the only person I ever heard make this recommendation, and she
should be commended for that. But no! Now the town is heading down the
inevitable path of owing Jaran BIG money.  Where will this come from? This is a
really important question our town officials should be thinking about NOW, and
not after we paid Jaran for his arbitration only to be followed with a civil
suit with this money-hungry man!
9:21 am edt 

Re: Suggestion

I for one do NOT want to pay for any law suits the town loses! If Jaran wins,
that will be way too much money to come out of the budget. I agree. Cut
department expenses (no new hires) and find the money there!
8:59 am edt 

Re: Russell Braun

"Russell Braun was a nightmare-

He has left the building dept with such discrepencies regarding files and
decisions.
If State Ethics ever took a look at those files they would have a "field day".
Enough about Braun. He is evil to the core."



Perfect post for this blog.  Vague accusations and a bitter personal attack.
8:57 am edt 

Suggestion

At next town meeting a article be presented that if the town looses pending
law suit any  monies awarded be raised from budget cuts in all departments. No
additional positions created etc.

The taxpayers should not have to pay these costs. Remember that property
owners that rent yearround  units will be forced to raise rents. ANY ONE
AGREE???????????????????
8:42 am edt 

Braun and State Ethics

Please explain to us how state ethics would have a field day just by looking at
files. Was he involved in projects that he as building commissioner approved and
shouldn't have? What do you know that we don't. Is the right answer letting
someone get away with something they should be investigated on. If what you say
is to be true then that is why the guilty go free because people don't come
forward to tell what they know.
8:38 am edt 

Wednesday, August 27, 2014

Re: Russell Braun

"Exodus - losing Braun"

That was a jackpot!
9:56 pm edt 

Re: Russell Braun

Russell Braun was a nightmare-

He has left the building dept with such discrepencies regarding files and decisions.
If State Ethics ever took a look at those files they would have a "field day".

Enough about Braun. He is evil to the core.
9:54 pm edt 

Re: Russell Braun

" Braun to Truro"
 


That was inevitable- he was on the verdge of being
fired -he played favorites and played with the livelyhoods of many- he was
nothing but a cancer.

9:52 pm edt 

Re: Austin Knight

Seems Austin's mom is  no longer ill?
Regardless, he's done politically in this town.

Zero credibility.
9:50 pm edt 

Re: Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee

Where did the idea come from to form an Ad Hoc Committee to recommend
changes to the Charter?
9:47 pm edt 

Re: Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee

"For those that think the Charter Ad Hoc mass resignation was a
victory..."



Rather than seeing it as a victory, I see it as a group of  individuals in an
advisory committee who realized that they don't have the authority to effect the
changes that the little cabal desires.  So now they'll go the petition route,
with the possible outcome of a vote a Town Meeting, if they succeed.
9:46 pm edt 

Re: And the Exodus Continues!

"Some have been fired and others left on their own in the past few years."


Has it crossed your mind that when the people covering up for some of the
misdeeds of these people (I can fill a book on Braun, btw) left, so did they? I
say if you want to leave then just do us all a favor and leave. The town isn't
an "employment for life" provider, and if someone see a better opportunity for
themselves elsewhere they should go. Especially the lazy and corrupt ones. Then
we can hire either people who WANT to be here, or more people who WANT to make a
difference and do the right thing. Good riddance! They'll always be people to
take their place. ALWAYS.
9:39 pm edt 

Provincetown School Start Date

"Why are some schools starting as early as today and provincetown is not
openning until September 9th?!!!"



Provincetown schools start September 2nd.
9:38 pm edt 

Re: Carnival Parade

I thought this years theme was about "Comic Book Characters".  I could  be
wrong, but I don't remember "Hello Kitty" being a comic book character but
rather a cartoon character.  Maybe in a coloring book but not a comic book. It
was still an ok parade though
12:48 pm edt 

And the Exodus Continues!

Some have been fired and others left on their own in the past few years. Braun
and Pajaron went to Truro and now it looks like we maybe losing Jarusiewicz and
Waldo. We currently have no town manager, no police chief, no qualified building
commissioner, lack luster community development department leadership and no end
in sight.

Great
12:19 pm edt 

Re: Ann Maguire

"On August 26, Ann Maguire submitted a letter to the Board of
Selectmen resigning from all Boards and Committees, effective immediately."


Like someone said already, if she also ceases to attempt controlling the members
and agendas of those town committees of her choice,we're all set.  She has been
uncovered more than once in recent years, showing the real Maguire.
12:10 pm edt 

Re: Austin Knight

"OMG, why do you hate our Constitution and the part about freedom of speech?"

Why do people always resort to this silly argument? Freedom of speech doesn't
mean you get to say what you want. There are ALWAYS consequences. And here, the
consequence was that he looked sort of sad. I think it would be far wiser for
him to leave a couple of years between his "forced" resignation and his new
commentary. But then discretion was never a part of Austin, nor valor.
12:06 pm edt 

Re: Austin Knight

I thought Austin Knight, the disgraced and recalled Selectman(Currier
and Rushmore got over 325 names in the dead of winter, forcing him to
resign)showed his colors when he got up at Monday's BOS meeting to trash the
current board who have been together since the May election and have
accomplished more without a town manager and police chief than the disgraced
selectman and the previous board accomplised in years.

This was obviously a political show and uncalled for. Knight and his cronies
decided that because the second homeowners would be out in force that he would
get on their bandwagon to make it appear he had support. Most of the second
homeowners don't know who Austin Knight is, and if Knight were a selectman, he
would have voted for a split tax rate, I have recollections of him discussing
this during his term (of destruction).

You looked and sounded like a silly little poor loser of a person, Austin, and
you are not relevant to anything happening in our beloved town. In fact, we are
not sure you even live in our town anymore, or whether you are a voter.

If you really care about our town, as you say, you will support and work with
the current board and it's goals to make Provincetown a better place to live.
You and your friends are playing with our future! It isn't going to be
tolerated!
10:56 am edt 

Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee

For those that think the Charter Ad Hoc mass resignation was a
victory...how about you stepping and and volunteering for town committees and
boards? If you have the skills, that is.
10:53 am edt 

Re: Austin Knight

"Oh my god can't Austin "the worst selectman ever" Knight just shut
up! He was a miserable failure and arguably the example how mediocrity pushes to
the front of the line when puppetmasters want to control the agenda."


OMG, why do you hate our Constitution and the part about freedom of speech?  Or,
do you think that it means only speech of which you approve?

You can and will say whatever you please, but the "puppetmaster" stuff is so
immature and makes you sound like a talk show host.  Silly jargon is silly
jargon no matter how often you say it.
10:28 am edt 

Re: Carnival Parade

"However, it has somewhat diminished over the last couple of years."


Really?  Your opinion or fact that you can substantiate?  there are always
comments about the parade that are at least slightly negative.  Let's face it,
it is an enthusiastically amateur effort that can always be made better the next
day.  But, I still saw the streets full of happy people.  How much more room was
there for people or their cars?
10:25 am edt 

As for Parades, Their Success Depends on Who's Organizing Them

This year we didn't even have the fourth of July parade. the rec director
canceled it!! If you look to Motta to create a big, fabulous parade, then forget
it. He can't and is not up to it. He shouldn't even be the rec director. You
need energy and vision--this he lacks.

As for Carnival, again, it reflects the level of leadership at PBG. It takes
time and effort and connections. I didn't see corporate-sponsored floats this
year and the quality was more amateurish. We need more bands, and yes, as some
have stated, more people dressed and dancing on the streets!

And we need better themes!!Most didn't know what to wear and who to be! some
have never read a comic book! It's a great time and let's hope that next year,
there is more planning, more energy, more costumes! and a better theme!!
10:20 am edt 

Ann Maguire Resignations

On August 26, Ann Maguire submitted a letter to the Board of Selectmen 
resigning from all Boards and Committees, effective immediately. 
10:03 am edt 

Carnival Parade

There are only a few major attraction getters to bring large crowds into
Provincetown and the Carnival Parade is one of the events if not the biggest
event in bringing people to town.  However, it has somewhat diminished over the
last couple of years.  While walking through town,  many people have made
several comments that they were not as impressed this year or last year compared
to the earlier years with respect to how they arrange it.  In the earlier years
many of the participants walked in their costumes.  Now it seems there are more
floats and less foot traffic making it not as pleasing when seeing the theme
costumes.  There were big gaps between as well.

The same with the 4th of July - gaps in between and of course if you blink your
eyes with this one its all over, as most  of this parade is mainly fire
vehicles.  I remember visiting Provincetown many years ago and watched a 4th of
July Parade that had many participants, like the Boy Scouts, VFW marchers,
American Legion marchers,  the local football team with the high school band,
other bands, horses and their riders all decked out, and many others involved.

I moved here because i fell in love with Provincetown, the quaintness, its
people, their involvement in the community, its acceptance of me, its beaches
and so on.

Lets keep Provincetown a beautiful place to not only live but to still visit for
those that cant afford to live here.
9:46 am edt 

Austin Knight - At BOS Meeting!

Oh my god can't Austin "the worst selectman ever" Knight just shut up! He was a
miserable failure and arguably the example how mediocrity pushes to the front of
the line when puppetmasters want to control the agenda.
9:24 am edt 

Re: Carnival Week

"A major problem is schools going back earlier than labor day. 
Students,parents, teachers and all the support industry are all done by the third week of
Aug."


Then this mean that, just like a small group of innkeepers sought to address the
lack of tourism 36 years ago, our agencies, committees and town government staff
that deals with developing and increasing tourism should look at the last week
in August as a time period to focus on, since school entities aren't going to
return to the post Labor FY school openings.
Right now, it's the first weeks of September that have the Schooner Regatta and
the Swim for Life.
9:15 am edt 

Where are the 100 Plus Emails

OK  we elected the current BOS for transparency and ethics in
governing. Where are the 100 plus emails. Make a statement . let us know where u
stand.
9:12 am edt 

Tuesday, August 26, 2014

Re: Carnival Week

"The original reason for doing the Carnival Parade is still relevant -
the number of tourists after Carnival Week has decreased dramatically."


A major problem is schools going back earlier than labor day.  Students,
parents, teachers and all the support industry are all done by the third week of
Aug.  having carnival the week before labor day will probably just mean a
smaller crowd at the parade.
11:14 pm edt 

Re: Moving Carnival Week

Seriously?  First you want to move bear week, now you want to move carnival
week?  Carnival has been the third week in August since forever.  Why is it you
want to mess around with the two most successful theme weeks we have?  Are you
determined to run our economy into the ground?  At least you have admitted that
tourism outside the theme weeks has decreased.  That's a start.
11:10 pm edt 

Jeff Jaran - Arbitration

Cape Cod Times is all over covering Jaran's arbitration. Awesome.
Can't wait for all the coverage. This is gonna be explosive for Provincetown and
a certain select officials both elected and appointed.
11:08 pm edt 

Vincent Currier-

Please see this through.You know more than anyone else
concerning the held back emails.
11:03 pm edt 

We Want the Emails Now- BOS

You promised us an interactive government
between the townspeople and yourselves. Please do not let us down.
3:32 pm edt 

Re: Release the Hostage 100 Now!!

I have an anonymous donor who will foot the bill to get the emails
public. If we all feel so impassioned  that the emails be made public please
post on this site with your name and email address. Donor says 10 public emails
will do. Although I am extremely  dissilusioned  as to why our current BOS has
not responded.
3:29 pm edt 

Carnival Week

The original reason for doing the Carnival Parade is still relevant -
the number of tourists after Carnival Week has decreased dramatically.  Perhaps
we should move it for right before Labor Day.  We've lost a lot of revenue due
to back to school preparations, and the beginning of the school year.
2:14 pm edt 

Re: Release the Hostage 100 Now!!

Release the held back emails. Or we will figure another way to get
them. Will not look kindly on our supposedly transparent BOS
2:12 pm edt 

Re: Release the Hostage 100 Now!!

WE WILL NOT REST UNTILL THE OVER 100 EMAILS BETWEEN TOWN GOVERNTMENT
AND CANDICE NAGEL ARE MADE PUBLIC .  NOW!!!! AS THE POSTER SAID REDACT WHAT U
NEED . BUT MAKE THEM PUBLIC OR WE WILL GO DOWN A DIFFERNT AVENUE. CURRENT BOS.
LISTEN TO US. WE ELECTED YOU!DO NOT PLAY THIS POLITICAL GAME.
2:10 pm edt 

Shout Out!

"Your comments will be published in our Shout Out! Blog.
Read what your fellow citizens are saying in  Shout Out!"



How about clarifying the above?  Whose comments will be published and under what
guidelines?  If you would truly have a full discussion you would not be
censoring any comments that are less than loving to the FinCom.

2:08 pm edt 

Re: Observations and Suggestions - CRAHC Resignations

"Additionally, Town Counsel should report to the BOS  not the Town
Manager. ThepreviousTown Manager used Town Counsel to promote and protect those issues and
individuals which were of interest to her personally and not necessarily that of
the town.

Witness the 100 withheld Emails issue, which has yet to be resolved and will
inevitably
result in another expensive law suit benefiting only Town Counse."


We as proud Provincetown citizens can NEVER allow this to take place again.
Where are the held back emails. We want to know NOW!!!
2:05 pm edt 

Re: Observations and Suggestions - CRAHC Resignations

Besides the cabal (in lower case because that's what I think of it),
who and when was it determined that there was a need for this ad hoc committee,
and how was this conveyed.
12:47 pm edt 

Provincetown School Start Date
 
Why are some schools starting as early as today and provincetown is not openning 
until September 9th?!!!
12:29 pm edt 

Re: Observations and Suggestions - CRAHC Resignations

"Executive session certainly does not limit dialogue. The BOS can
and do say whatever they chosse while in exec session. There are rules that
apply to the reasons for going into executive session. Please state which rules
were broken and when."



You completely miss the point. No one has claimed illegal use of executive
session. The claim was inordinate use (there is a difference). Executive session has
been used to silence those who would make public the issues discussed  in
executive session under penalties of law. This very issue was discussed in the last
FinCom session. Review the tape.

Members of FinCom were constrained in their ability to have a public dialog regarding
certain issues when those issues were brought forth by town Counsel in executive
session.
12:18 pm edt 

Re: Observations and Suggestions - CRAHC Resignations

"An example  of this is demonstrated in the inordinate use recommended
by Town  Counsel of "Executive Session" which limits and controls dialog."



Wrong again.  Executive session certainly does not limit dialogue.  The BOS can
and do say whatever they chosse while in exec session.  There are rules that
apply to the reasons for going into executive session.  Please state which rules
were broken and when.  You should make a formal complaint that the open meeting
law has been violated instead of making charges here that are vague and ignorant
of fact.
12:06 pm edt 

Re: Observations and Suggestions - CRAHC Resignations

"There are limits to what town counsel will do and
they are only authorized to do what they have been asked by the BOS or TM."

That is a total distortion of the function of Town Counsel. It is not only the
function of Counsel to appraise the client of potential dangers but their duty to do so.

Your logic would justify letting the town drive over a legal cliff because Town Counsel
could only advise when requested to do so out of an abundant consideration of cost,
even when the danger was apparent.

But then again, you would do that....absurd!
11:47 am edt 

Re: Observations and Suggestions - CRAHC Resignations

"Where was Town Counsel during this period? Isn't this what we pay
them to advise town government about?"



No it is NOT.  We could never afford to have town counsel review every action by
every board and committee.  There are limits to what town counsel will do and
they are only autorized to do what they have been asked by the BOS or TM. If
they were not asked to review the charge to the committee , they cannot and
should not, spend our tax dollars performing work that was not requested.
11:30 am edt 

Lest We Forget - Email Requests- Some Pay Some Don't

 

Provincetown Banner October 24, 2013

Provincetown resident shells out bucks for town record requests

Events Calendar

By Ann Wood @awoodBanner October 24, 2013

Read more: http://www.wickedlocal.com/provincetown/newsnow/x825424436/Provincetown-resident-shells-out-bucks-for-town-record-requests#ixzz2ig8PQ3TD Follow us: @139703022770721 on Twitter

PROVINCETOWN —

Vincent Currier brought $500 into Town Hall last week, but it wasn’t for property taxes, a car’s excise tax or anything of the sort. Rather, it was a deposit made for documents requested through the Freedom of Information Act.

Currier met with Sharon Lynn, the town manager, and other town employees in reference to a request he made for all e-mail correspondence between resident Candace Nagle and employees with town e-mail accounts. Currier claims there are between 6,000 and 10,000 e-mails covering about 3,000 printed pages.

Lynn says there are about 150 e-mails but because they run as a chain over a 14-month period, they amount to 3,000 pages.

"There have been a recent number of public records requests, including from Candace Nagle, that require significant amounts of time spent by town personnel to identify responsive records," Lynn wrote in an e-mail to the Banner. "Because this time involved is more than a simpler request we have, in fact, charged these individuals, or advised there will be a charge once the gathering of data is complete, as permitted under the public records law."

The request was made, Currier said, after he found out that Nagle, who was a member of the No Place for Hate committee, reported that the American Defamation League had deemed a Provincetown political blog a "hate page." Turns out, it had not.

Tim McCarthy, who is on the NPFH committee, said he and other members confirmed Nagle’s report with the ADL. However, the ADL subsequently contacted the NPFH committee to inform them that they had been mistaken, after they’d consulted incorrect information.

"I wanted to see what, if anything, would come from the e-mail exchanges between the ADL, Candace and the town," Currier said by e-mail. "I became even more suspicious just because of the sheer number of e-mails between the parties involved with Candace Nagle being mentioned, or originated by her."

The estimated fee for the requested documents is between $3,000 and $3,500, Currier said, because the messages need to be separated, reviewed by town counsel and scanned. He wasn’t going to get them because he didn’t have the money, he said, but changed his mind after supporters promised donations.

Lynn said that town counsel, from Kopelman & Paige, will redact the e-mails appropriately and that neither she nor her staff would censor them in that way.

Currier, however, wonders about that. He says that he told Lynn last week that he reserves the right to challenge every redaction.

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"She further asked me why I would do that, and I told her that at this point in my search I no longer trusted her," he said by e-mail. "After all the hoops I have encountered … there has to be very incriminating information in those e-mails that the town would be embarrassed by being made public."

Currier may make them public on the political Facebook page on which he frequently posts. That page rivals an older Facebook page that Nagle started. Though the political views expressed on the pages clash, they are similar in that comments made on both pages can be informative but are also sometimes critical of specific individuals. They both used to be "open" pages, meaning anyone could look at them, but have since become "closed" groups that can only be read by their own selected members. The two pages often accuse each other of wrongdoings. And yet it’s obvious that the members of both groups care about Provincetown and believe they are helping it.

Currier says he has lost his trust in town staff and wants a more transparent government. He said he requested electronic files rather than printed documents because he knows a forensic computer expert who would be able to detect if anything was deleted. Currier says he feels "stonewalled"

because he hasn’t been able to get them. Requests are supposed to be provided within 10 calendar days but he says that time has passed. He now expects to receive the requested documents on or before Nov. 1.

Similarly, Dieter Groll, who posts on the same webpage as Currier, has requested telephone records and text messages that were made between Nagle and town employees. As of Tuesday, he hadn’t heard how much he will be charged for the documents, nor when he might receive them.

The Banner attempted to reach Nagle for comment Tuesday but was unable to by deadline.

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9:56 am edt 

Re: Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee Resignation

First, as just a normal person in this town watching these antics, I have to
thank the person responsible for this web site. If it wasn't for your hard work,
none of us would ever know the background of what was going on. I belong to most
of the Facebook pages mentioned here, and certain ones won't touch this
material, or have the same five people talking to each other about these
subjects. Very sad.

It's honestly shocking to see all of this. I think the situation is best summed
up by what happened to Mr Hatch. I've met him in person through other people in
town and found him to be warm, engaging, and very very honest and not afraid to
tell you what he thinks.

He will tell you his story, why he's here, why he volunteers, and all the rest because I
asked him while sitting with him at town hall. How refreshing! To have someone who
has never met him make up stories from bits and pieces here and there highlights
the problem with these people.

You need to get a life! You also need to be honest and not make up stuff and post
it. People who volunteer for town committees work hard. Some with great intentions,
some with bad ones but at least they volunteer.

So let's stick to facts instead of writing fiction. Mailer was better at it than any of you
anyhow. Save the outrage for the people responsible for all these problems. They
deserve it and what they are and were doing isn't fiction, unfortunately.
9:22 am edt 

Observations and Suggestions

Why did it take a full year for the Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee to realize that
is was not duly organized or appointed for its task?

Where was Town Counsel during this period? Isn't this what we pay them to advise
town government about? This is yet another faux pas by Town Counsel. As a result, a
full year was wasted. We need to  open up the process for selecting Counsel. The time
has come to review the selection process.

Additionally, Town Counsel should report to the BOS  not the Town Manager. The
previousTown Manager used Town Counsel to promote and protect those issues and
individuals which were of interest to her personally and not necessarily that of the town.
Witness the 100 withheld Emails issue, which has yet to be resolved and will inevitably
result in another expensive law suit benefiting only Town Counsel.

When one considers the events swirling around the Piq incidence, it is apparent the
former Town Manager used Town Counsel to protect her own self  interest and not that
of the town. Effectively, Town Counsel became the private legal agent of the Town
Manager. An example  of this is demonstrated in the inordinate use recommended
by Town  Counsel of "Executive Session" which limits and controls dialog.

The Board of Selectmen need to take responsibility for the direct management of both
Town Counsel and Police Chief, thus preventing manipulation by any single individual or
select group.

These are the structural changes needed to be discussed to guarantee good governance.
9:11 am edt 

Candace Who?

I am new to town and enjoy this blog but who is Candance that
everyonne is talking about.?  I know Jaran and the other people. It not Candace
8:09 am edt 

Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee Resignation

The resignation of the seven Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee members is
a result of the revelations of Candace Nagle's Emails; which revealed a
long term plan by a few to alter the very fabric of the democratic structure
of Provincetown.

This group is truly a Cabal deserving close scrutiny.
7:57 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Et Al

Can someone here provide a sane, logical explanation between how this
message board cyber bullies children?  I emphasize the word sane.
7:45 am edt 

Monday, August 25, 2014

Julia Perry - Letter of Disbandment of the Current CRAHC and Decline of Reappointment

My name is Julia Perry. I am the Chair of the Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee and I am speaking to you today on behalf of the Committee. The Committee had a working session with the Board of Selectmen on August 11. The Committee held its next biweekly meeting on August 19 and had a discussion at that meeting of what would be the appropriate next step in the review process. Given the fact that our work over the past year has revealed significant issues that need to be addressed ­issues that go beyond merely simplifying language or clarifying particular sections currently in the Charter - it appears to the Committee that the next logical step would be to recognize that the scope of the work is beyond the authority of the Committee as currently structured.
The Committee was structured under authority of Chapter 43B of the Massachusetts General Laws, Section 10, which covers "amendments to a city or town charter previously adopted or revised". Our review over the past year has identified that the potential revisions necessary go beyond simply amending the current language of the Charter to a need to reorganize the information contained therein, to readdress certain matters in order to bring them up to date, as well as to reassess their effectiveness. A review of this scope requires an independent review as set forth in Chapter 43B.Therefore, the Committee recommends that the best way to conduct this process and provide a thorough review and vetting by the public, is to have this work done by an elected Charter Commission in accordance with MGL Ch. 43B, specifically as described in Sections 3-9 and 11. These Sections describe a process that includes a citizen petition signed by at least fifteen percent of the registered voters calling for the revision of the current Charter; the placing of this issue and the election of a Charter Commission on the ballot; and the nomination of proposed Charter Commission members and the placing of their names on the ballot. If the question of a Charter revision is voted in the affirmative by a majority of the voters than the nine nominated individuals who receive the highest number of votes constitute the Charter Commission. The Charter Commission must hold public hearings as directed in Section 9; and the resulting proposed Charter revision will go on the ballot in accordance with Section 11.Since we see an independent review by an elected Charter Commission as the best and only way to proceed, the seven members in attendance, listed below, therefore do not seek re-appointment to the Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee when their terms end on August 31, 2014.Judith Cicero Thomas Coen Doug Johnstone Julia PerryMark Phillips Robert Speiser Robert Vetrick

In addition, Ann Maguire submitted her resignation from both the Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee and the Charter Enforcement Commission.On an additional matter, at its meeting on August 18, the Board of Selectmen asked me as Chair to look into allegations about certain members of the Committee ­allegations that these individuals attempted to control the discussions of the Committee. I can report to the Board of Selectmen from my own experience that these allegations are untrue.When the Committee was established, it was instructed to provide an independent review of all matters within the Charter. The Committee has strived over the past year to carry out this review in a manner that was not political, not biased, and not based on any agenda. Their effort was merely to review as objectively as possible everything in the Charter and determine whether it was clear, accurate to current procedures, and beneficial to the Town. The entire Committee approached their task with an open mind to all suggestions and concerns. No one member controlled the group; each listened to the others, learned from the others, compromised and jointly created language.In closing, I would like to say what an honor it has been to work with such a dedicated group of individuals. Each brought their intelligence, their experience, and their best effort to reviewing the Charter. It was a privilege to sit at the table with them and hear their ideas. I hope that the future efforts of the Town in revising the Charter can reflect that same level of conversation. Thank you.

11:45 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Et Al

She Used the Anti-Defamation League to Attack and malign this Blog

There was no end to what Candace Nagle would do to hurt those she viewed as her
enemies. If she had to create a crime and falsify events and actions, she would
and did. And all with the unilateral support of Sharon Lynn and Jeff Jaran.

That is why the town manager needed to leave; that is why the Chief of Police
needed to go. there was something corrupt about all of this.

We are a lucky town to have gone through this and now to have all three gone.
Lucky indeed! some did get damaged and hurt in the process of this madness but
still we are in such a better place now than we were two years
10:48 pm edt 

What a Corrupt Inner Group

MYPACC a Danger to Provincetown Children??Really Candyland?

Go to the Provincetown Superintendent and declare that MYPACC is a threat to our
children and look to gain support against cyber-bullying all the while you are
manipulating town officials and the school and using people and positions and
institutions to do your bidding.

This is rather sick behavior of a megalomania--this is shocking and scary and
that she gained access to so many officials and even used the school to carry
out her warped plans.
7:43 pm edt 

Re: Release the Hostage 100 Now!!

YES RELEASE THE 100 PLUS EMAILS!!! Redact what you must but the new
BOS promised transparency. There is no reason not to release them. Redact and
release.
5:20 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-Mails

Is there a pending freedom of information act request for the
outstanding 100 emails?
2:26 pm edt 

What a Corrupt Inner Group

When I read the e-mails from Jeff Jaran, Candance Nagle, Dan Hoort, Sharon Lynn,
I see such corruption all under the guise of favoritism and for Nagle, under the
sick name of "good government." If this is what good government is, then
deception, conniving, self-aggrandizement and lust rules. This was an inner
circle that threatened the integrity of Provincetown and threatened true
government.

They used and misued their power and authority --all for their own gain.

It is sickening and continues to shock.
1:45 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle

Candace spent a lot of time canvassing the Town for voters that would
sign petitions to get Mary Jo removed from everything! When some of us refused
because of loyalty,that "    woman" went ballistic and uttered a tirade about
her that I knew wasn't true! Newer voters didn't though & signed it! She was
very convincing! didn't understand "NO!" Evil is as Evil does!!
11:31 am edt 

Re: 100 + Hostage Emails

So in a nutshell, Candy requested and got e-mails; Dieter and Vince
also requested e-mails, and they all "town counsel" on the two of them.  Hmmm...
11:04 am edt 

Nagle's Hatred

No Place For Hate and The Hating of Nagle

Well, well, well. Now we know where the whole idea of getting this blog labeled
a hate blog started. So this woman weaseled her way onto the NPFH committee and
then tried to manipulate the system to get the blog labeled a hate blog for
cyber-bullying AND getting a proclamation passed to help her. And, get this,
because the blog sets a "bad example for our children". What insanity! There's
an interesting aspect to all of this though...the emails that would confirm the
ADL supposed labeling the blog as such are MISSING. So either there never was an
email OR it's part of the 100 missing ones. But the exchanges are interesting,
so here's one below:

From: Carrie Lopes
To: pilgrim1620@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Modifying Provincetown"s No Place for Hate to reflect the cyber-age
Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:01:17 PM

Candace:
I don't see any problems with the town adopting modifications or changes to the
proclamation under the No Place for Hate program with ADL but I'll have to check
to see if they have an updated version. It would be best to use their approved
language since we are still active in the program. No Place for Hate does have a
significant anti-bullying component and the local schools have a program also
that reflects the ADL approach. The No Place for Hate program has lapsed during
the past year while we all waited for a new regional program director to be
hired. All the No Place for Hate communities on Cape and in the state are
supposed to meet Aug. 28 for an annual conference and anti-bullying programs
will be on the agenda.
I can meet with you next week on the 7th or 8th. I'm working 3p-11p those days.
If you want to meet before my shift, that's fine too. Just let me know. Thanks.
Carrie

From: Candace Nagle [pilgrim1620@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012
2:40 PM To: Carrie Lopes Subject: Modifying Provincetown's No Place for Hate to
reflect the cyber-age

Hi Carrie,
Below is another action step I took today. Perhaps we could meet next week? Im
heading out of Town tomorrow and will be back Monday.
Candace

From: Candace Nagle [mailto:pilgrim1620@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 01,
2012 1:27 PM To: 'Beth Singer' Subject: info requested
Hi Beth,
Hope you are having a good summer. I have been doing a lot of research lately on
cyber-bullying which has been a serious issue involving school aged children.
Unfortunately, with adults too as evident by the five year old Provincetown
based blog Mypacc.com. Frankly, I think that blog sends a bad message to our
children, that its ok if we do it but dont you do it
Does the school system in Provincetown have a proclamation of denouncement of
some kind for cyber-bullying? I am interested in
requesting the Selectmen Include something to this effect in its rather dated
Proclamation (below) which doesnt reflect this day and age of using the internet
for personal attacks etc. Would this be something you or the School Committee
would support which will help in the effort of building consensus to help nudge
the Selectmen in adopting in an updated Proclamation to reflect a no tolerance
against internet based attacks? Thanks, Candace Nagle
Proclamation
Be it hereby resolved by the Provincetown Board of Selectmen that
1. Hate Crimes of any type will not be tolerated in the Town of Provincetown. It
is the policy that the Provincetown Police Department shall investigate and seek
prosecution of hate crimes to the fullest extent of the law, which shall include
the use whenever possible of state civil rights statutes: Sections 37 and 39 of
Chapter 265, Section 127A of Chapter 266 and Sections 92A and 98 of Chapter 272.
The Town of Provincetown encourages the Office of the District Attorney, the
Attorney General of the Commonwealth, federal law enforcement agencies, and the
Courts to prosecute these cases to the fullest extent of the law.
2. As used in this Resolution, a hate crime is any criminal act that manifests
bigotry, bias, animus or prejudice against the victim on account of this
victim's race, religion, ethnicity, disability, sex, sexual orientation or age.

Adopted June 8, 1992; Renewed June 9, 1997 and July 22, 2002.
No Place For Hate
Adoption of No Place for Hate Proclamation. On September 9, 2002, the
Provincetown Board of Selectmen voted "to join with other sponsoring agencies in
the town of Provincetown and adopt the 'No Place for Hate'proclamation drafted
by the Anti-Defamation League and the Massachusetts Municipal Association.
Members of Provincetown's No Place for Hate Committee, led by Chief of Police
Ted Meyer.
9:56 am edt 

Re: 100 + Hostage Emails

"The reason they were not released is because town counsel came up
with some bogus reason."


Good news.  It should be easy then for your lawsuit to prevail, given the fact
that you have evidence that the town counsel is in cahoots with past employees.

Keep us informed of the court dates.
9:30 am edt 

100 + Hostage Emails

The reason they were not released is because town counsel came up with some
bogus reason. We all know why- to protect Sharon, Jaran,Candice and whoever
else in their circle.

I also believe the meat and potatoes are in those 100 plus emails involving the
pig incident and the whole 2013 BOS election along with the whole voter intimidation
issue and intimidation of our now newly elected officals. I am sure those emails would
make for some very interesting reading material. Would be nice to end that whole era
with a concise flow of info. That my friends would be the 100 + emails.
9:18 am edt 

Sunday, August 24, 2014

Re: Candace Nagle Email requests

On august 26, 2013, Nagle Requested from Lynn any e-mail correspondence
from the Chair of the Finance Committee to the Town Manger's Office

And the next day--on August 27, 2013, Sharon Lynn, without haste, without
hesitation, without questions to Town Counsel, sends Candace Nagle ---as Lynn
states, without charge--the e-mails Nagle has requested...No long term inquiry
to town counsel, but Sharon Lynn--at this one person's request, yes, this
Candyland request--gives her exactly what she demands.

And we  are still waiting for the 100 e-mails? Why?
8:25 pm edt 

Release the Hostage 100 Now!!

Yes, I Like and Support the Blog Requesting that the BOS release the
100 e-mails

They should not be secret. They should not be clandestine filings. They are part
of the PUBLIC record and we know: town e-mails are public documents.

So why are not these 100 e-mails released and released now?

They belong to us--we are the public and they are part of the public---not
private--not secret-- communications. They are and remain town e-mails!

Release the hostage 100 now!!
8:13 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-Mails

Has anyone put in a public document request for the withheld Candace
emails?  Perhaps they won't be withheld this time?  Or you can appeal the
decision to withhold them as Clarence Walker did with the Marcum Report!
8:00 pm edt 

To: Vincent Currier and Deiter Groll

Please let us know on what grounds these 100 plus emails have been held back.
Thanks for all your hard work by the way!!
7:57 pm edt 

Cape Cod Times - Boat Fire


PROVINCETOWN - A 30-foot boat caught fire in Provincetown Harbor this afternoon, causing thick, black smoke to billow into the air, destroying the vessel and sending one man to the hospital with serious burns.

There were two men on the boat but they were rescued by a nearby harbormaster’s vessel after the boat caught fire shortly before 12:30 p.m., Harbormaster Rex McKinsey said.

"From what I heard these guys are extremely lucky they were in the proximity of one of the harbormaster's vessels," he said.

The men, who were visiting the harbor, had just left their mooring when one of the boat’s two engines started running rough. When they went to restart it there was an explosion of fire, according to witnesses and a U.S. Coast Guard official.

After assistant harbormasters John Dematteis and Luis Ribas pulled the two men off the Chaparral boat it was towed away from the wharf, according to Kerry Adams, chairman of the Provincetown Public Pier Corporation.

Massachusetts Environmental Police then towed the boat further out into the harbor so that the pier and other boats wouldn't be affected by the fire, Coast Guard Petty Officer Robert Simpson said.

When the flames couldn’t be extinguished it was towed to some flats where there were no other boats. It then burned below the waterline and capsized, he said. It’s unclear what caused the explosion, according to Simpson and McKinsey.

The boat was close to the fuel dock and the outcome could have been a lot worse if not for the teamwork of the harbormaster's office, the Environmental Police, the fire department and the Coast Guard, McKinsey said.

One of the men received a burn to his leg and was taken to Cape Cod Hospital and the other man was not injured, McKinsey said.

The injured man was flown to Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston by medical helicopter, Adams said. Adams said the harbormaster’s office did not have the names of the men on the boat.

The boat was still smoldering about an hour after the fire was reported and there was another small explosion while it was off the coast of Truro, which McKinsey said may have been the fuel tank. It was towed out to an area off White Village Cottages in North Truro and was in about 22 feet of water, McKinsey said.
"It’s certainly out of harms way," McKinsey said.

Penny Seaver of New Hampshire, who was staying at the Boatslip Resort said there was a lot of smoke coming from the boat which she photographed from the resort. People all along the harbor stopped what they were doing to watch the fire, she said.

Follow Patrick Cassidy on Twitter: @

7:54 pm edt 

Re: My Take on Charter Review Controversy

The last time I was on the opposite side of an issue with Stephen McG
was when he was declaring the Pig to be a non-incident while I was calling
on the BOS to appoint an independent investigator because the town manager had
said "case closed."

So I take great comfort in knowing I'm likely on the right track again.

Mike C
1:01 pm edt 

Re: 100 Withheld E-Mails

Vince Currier obtained the emails with exception of 100 + .  It is
quite obvious why Sharon Lynn chose to withold them. They were yes "the most
damning". I say we all demand they be released!!!
12:16 pm edt 

Candace Nagle's E-Mails - 100 Withheld, Why?

I see a conflict here:

Candace Nagle request information, data, records of any and all and she gets
this information. Yet the e-mails that are town e-mails and public records are
withheld and not handed over when the re quest by Vince currier and Dieter Groll
is made. this is a freedom of Information Request and 100 e-mails are still
withheld--yet Candace Nagle could and did demand information from Sharon Lynn,
Austin Knight, David Gardner, Dan Hoort, Jeff Jaran and received it all
immediately.

I find this quite problematic. Nagle received almost everything she requested
but two town residents can't gain access to public documents. We all know: town
e-mails are public e-mails. they should be released immediately.

what are they hiding? And who is now withholding these 100 e-mails?
12:13 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle E-Mail Requests


To his credit, Lieutenant Jim Golden response to Candace Nagle's persistant
requests for services of town staff was the most forthright response of 
all. He politely informed Ms Nagle of the standard procedure for obtaining
the requested information and the associated cost in contrast to other town
departments rolling-over to provide requested records at no-cost. 

From:
Jim Golden

To: pilgrim1620@comcast.net

Bcc: Jeff Jaran

Subject: Re: info request

Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:16:57 AM


Ms. Nagle,

Chief Jaran has forwarded your email where you request certain public records

maintained by a government entity.

Like most communities there is a standard process for members of the public to

request these documents.

Would you kindly go to the towns website and access the police departments web

page.

In the left hand panel (6 down) is the public records policy and request form.

There is also a $5.00 fee.


Kindly complete the form and fax if to my attention at 508-487-4488 and I will

shepard it through the process. It may take a day or two as some information needs

to be redacted.

The press makes routine inquiries and have other avenues to access these reports

(ie: like the courts).


Thank you,

Jim Golden

Lieutenant

PD Provincetown

jgolden@provincetown-ma.gov

11:59 am edt 

Re: My Take on Charter Review Controversy

Oh boy, once again Stephen, since you have never actually had a conversation
with me, and the first time you met me was at the Election Commission meeting
where you lost 4-0, let me correct your wild speculation and incoherent
suppositions concerning what I think. Evidently you still haven't learned to
just ask people directly what they're doing, but just piece together things
online with no context and no background.

FYI I spoke to Julia Perry outside the BOS meeting where Mike and I spoke
(funny, you never show up at any meetings either! Oh well.). I handed her copies
of the emails from the cache that were directly involved in the formation of the
Charter Ad Hoc committee. I told her my motivation was to see them not run off
the rails seeking huge changes that only a few people wanted and didn't have a
chance of passing  and, in the process, losing all the good work the committee
was doing in the ensuing arguments. We talked for a long time. I read that email
because, to me, it represented a hidden agenda that would have never been known
if the request for all those emails hadn't been presented. We have people going
around making false "open meeting" requests all the time, so what do you call
what's in that letter? How do you explain the 4 or 5 people always copied? How
did that woman get that sort of access to Town Hall when no one else seemed to
be able to and still can't? That's wron!
g, and you don't have to spin any stories, just look up the emails that were
made searchable for us. (remember they came to us on a CD and just recently were
released in searchable PDF format so that's the reason for the renewed interest.
They were never searchable by keyword before and it was a lot of work do make
them into that archive).

Then we talked about the false notions of Fincom passing around. I pointed out
(once again for the 100th time) that Fincom CANNOT PASS ANYTHING. EVERYTHING
Fincom does has to be approved by a Town Meeting vote. EVERYTHING. So do we have
some mysterious mind-controlling power to get everyone on the floor to vote the
way we want them to? If those of us in committees do, then how come the plastic
bag issue failed when people really wanted to vote for it? How interesting a
view to think that the citizens of the town don't know how to vote. And what an
astonishingly cynical view as well. It's the same for the Town Manager pay. The
CITIZENS of this town VOTED FOR the amount. So respect that vote and work with
it instead of having the same people constantly telling us we're all idiots for
voting that way, and you know better. You don't.

We all know that this is the view of a very few people, mostly the people copied
on those emails. We also know that they have some weird personal vendetta
against our Town Moderator who the people of this town ALSO saw fit to elect (in
the same few people's view, another indication that citizens in this town
shouldn't be trusted to do the right thing). So this isn't really about our
marvelous powers of mind control, it's about an agenda against the Town
Moderator who just happens to appoint members of Fincom and, because they have
something against her, seek to remove her powers of appointment by changing the
rules of the game for those appointments. Sort of sounds like Congressional
Republicans doesn't it?

Also the request was put in for the missing attachment to the letter I read
that, whether you like it or not, actually SAID "I am working with Ann McGuire
on a proposed Charter Review Working Group" with a date of October 2012. That's
a QUOTE. If the attachment back in 2012 proposes the same points that the
current Ad Hoc committee is proposing, what does that say about the process?
Even a third grader can figure out it's the definition of "collusion". I
published the attachment for people to draw their own conclusions from. Unlike
some, I think citizens will do the right thing.

So please get the story straight and actually TALK to people IN PERSON instead
of just making things up. If you do, you might just make a rational point. We
might also get past the silliness of open meeting complaints that never happened
(because NONE of them were found to have violated anything), false accusations
against people, disparaging their message by saying "they don't live here" or
"haven't lived here long enough" (sounds like birthers in disguise) and other
assorted slurs. Then just bring everything up on the floor of Town Meeting and
let people vote. Because that's what Fincom actually does. Wow, democracy at
work instead of Oligarchy!

Yours in good and transparent government,
Sister Mary Margaret Hatcher (because it's always better to call people names
like we're back in grade school.)
11:09 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle E-Mails

I'm not a Selectman, but I find it deeply troubling that a
Provincetown resident, Candy Nagle, would be asking the Provincetown Police
Department's Dispatcher, Lisa Cook, to provide traffic violation records for the
BOS, and FINCOM.  I would feel the same about requesting these records about
any other town resident.
10:34 am edt 

Saturday, August 23, 2014

Steven McGovern Pontification

Please, We do Not Need Steven McGovern Pontificating Here

Let him post on the other sites. Please. Here is the person who was sitting with
Jeff Jaran at the Pig Incident and lied about his drinking and that of Jeff
Jaran. this is the man who called into questions Mark Hatch's ability to sit on
Fin Com.

Enough, and this is the man who himself was stopped and arrested and his
entanglements with Jeff Jaran are infamous.

No, plese, if it  from Steve McGovern, let him go to Dan Hoort's site. We do not
need his bull, his lies, his pretense.

I'd like his ranting to be erased. Why should we put up with his bull? It is
garbage and it should stay in the bottom of the trash cans--not be posted here.
10:48 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle E-Mails

You Read these e-Mails and Laugh?

They are not funny. they are serious and manipulative and rather sickening. The
constant attempt to usurp power and demand answers--when there is a conspiracy
and Nagle felt empowered because she was in cahoots with Jeff Jaran and Sharon
Lynn. They had their own inner rather embarrassing interactions.

Laugh on. We will see who gets the last laugh here.

10:46 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle E-Mails

So, was David Gardner part of the Nagle/Lynn association or was he just
following orders from his then boss? If not then perhaps it's time to look at
his true obligation to the taxpayers and not just one select group. Is he next
to go?
10:44 pm edt 

10:42 pm edt 

Ann Maguire

Defeat is not her style!

Can try all the she wants to manipulate us and town government.  She has been
failing miserably for the last couple of years.
10:41 pm edt 

Ann Maguire

Regarding: "Watch closely which committees they are on and you will
see the wiles of her ways. for a pol like her from Boston it's like shooting
fish in a barrel. wake up Ptown!"

Her gig is up.  We're onto her.  Her last "ad hoc" committee participation that
was under the radar was the one in which, asked by Sharon, she, along with the
rest of the ad hoc members, proposed a 14.7 million dollar building project. No
more shenanigans will be tolerated by the citizens at large.
10:39 pm edt 

E-mails reveal so much

In reading this email we all have a good idea of what was up. So, where does
Hoort and Gardner stand now? Are they still trying to take control the way they
feel the town should be run.
10:38 pm edt 

Moving Forward

Sharon Lynn is gone.  Jeff Jaran is gone.  Candace Nagle is gone.  Why
are you still spending so much time and energy discussing them?  Time to stop
thinking about the past and concentrate on the future.
10:37 pm edt 

Why and Who is Withholding E-Mails?

To Vincent Currier-

Can you tell us why not all the emails were
released and actually how many have been withheld. Thanks - oh and for what
reason?
10:35 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

Please Post a Few More e-mails

Never mind the emails that were released. What about the 100+ that are STILL
being withheld. In there lies the damning of all . Believe me.
10:33 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle's E-mails-There is a Cabal !

Yep, just keep at it. Throwing around labels and broadcasting petty
speculations. As we've already seen, and will continue to see in the distant
future: people with experience, insight and any common sense will run like hell
from volunteer positions that ultimately benefit the community. Become
suspicious of everyone, and everyone loses.
10:32 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

They are at times unbelievable that one person, Candace Nagle, could
get so many
town employees to respond immediately to her outlandish demands. but they did
and they--yes they--Sharon Lynn, Dan Hoort, yes, David Gardner, and Jeff Jaran,
with the push from Austin Knight, Ann McQuire and others were controlling much
in this town--and not for us, but for them and their desires and their goals.

Let us not forget Russ Braun who was tryranical to some. Files in town hall show 
such lack of consistency in implementation and enforcement of building code and
for others such preverse interpretation . He was hired by Sharon Lynn . This
should NEVER happen again in this town.
10:30 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

More Nagle Emails!

WOW!! This is like theater of the absurd. Check this one out below where she's
preparing a public statement for the BOS and requests traffic stop records! My
head is swimming wondering what this has to do with anything. But I ask you is
it "yours in good government" or "yours in good and transparent government" or
"yours in public safety" LOL!!! If this wasn't so sad, it WOULD actually be
funny. This archive is truly a golden resource for all of us in the town so we
know what's going on inside town hall. How was this woman allowed to run rampant
through the town? Please, everyone, look around and see who's copied on her
emails. It's eye-opening.

From: Candace Nagle
To: Lisa Cook
Subject: traffic stop record request Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:42:23 PM

Lisa, thank you so much for the below. I am preparing a public statement for the
BOS meeting Monday. Was there a traffic stop for Tom Donegan in 2012? If so when
and why? Thank you so much for your help.
Candace


From: Candace Nagle [
mailto:pilgrim1620@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:18 PM
To: Lisa Cook Cc: Jim Golden
Subject: traffic stop record request

Hi Lisa,
Could the PPD provide all reports of traffic stops in 2013 of the following
drivers:
BOS members:
Austin Knight John Santos Elaine Anderson David McChensey Erik Yingling

And Finance Committee members: Tom Donegan Clarence Walker Michael Canizales
Doug Cliggout Catherine Russo Duane Steele Raphael Richter

Yours in Public Safety,
Candace Nagle

10:27 pm edt 

Ann Maguire

When you see Maquire wagging a fingering the Banner's Editor's face,
as was noticed by many one day, you know that there's meddling and potential
trouble.
10:24 pm edt 

My Take on Charter Review Controversy

At Monday's BOS meeting both Mike and Mark said the work they had planned to do
over the weekend had to be put aside because they were putting together their
timeline of what they characterized as a pattern of deception regarding the
formation and intentions of the Ad Hoc Committee.  I thought to myself, "What
prompted this? What happened recently that caused them to drop everything and
focus on this?  Is this of direct concern to them?  Are they speaking as the
chair and a member of the Finance Committee or as private citizens?" I hope it
was as citizens because I don't think think there's any role for the Finance
Committee in charter revision other than meeting with the committee to discuss
the chapter(s) of the charter pertaining to themselves. If anyone knows
otherwise,correct me.

I figured that they must have gotten some new piece of information that prompted
this but it doesn't seem that way.   From what I can tell, the information they
both presented was all from the cache of Candace Nagle emails Vincent Currier
received nine months ago. So if none of the information was new, what prompted
this?  I think the answer to that is the previous Monday's joint meeting of the
Ad Hoc Committee and the BOS and the subsequent Banner article on August 14th. 
That meeting included talk of not only considering other ways to appoint members
to the Finance Committee but of including language that would help "diminish the
publics confusion over what level of authority a selectmen is speaking with when
he or she is doing so apart from the collective board."  That last bit was
something Erik Yingling was very much against, giving Mike, Mark and Mary-Jo
another ally in their fight to quash charter reform.

What really lit a fire under all of them was the fact that the appointments to
the Ad Hoc Committee all expire on August 31.  At the end of what I thought to
be a very productive joint meeting it seemed the BOS was planning to re-instate
all the current members and possibly advertise for additional members as well. 
I also got the sense however that at times Tom Donegan was indirectly speaking
to Mike who was in the audience.  I thought Tom seemed a little hostile to Julia
Perry in the beginning but then when he got a better understanding of what she
and the rest of the committee had been doing and where they were heading he
relaxed and seemed comfortable with the process.  There was one telling moment
when he looked out into the audience and said he didn't want "to throw the baby
out with the bathwater," which I was glad to hear. I should go watch it again
but it seemed to me that it was being directed towards Mike.  I couldn't help
but think that behind-the-scenes Mike mus!
t have been telling Tom that he needed to pull the plug on this whole charter
reform nonsense.  If not pull the plug entirely but at least wipe out the
current members and appoint all news one the current BOS can approve.   They had
failed to block Mark Juaire's appointment previously but now they could roll a
strike and knock all of them down at once.  To his credit, I think Tom realized
how foolish this would be.  The committee has done a tremendous amount of work
and it would be a waste and insult to either replace them or ditch the effort
entirely.

When they lost an ally in Tom, Mike, Mark, Mary-Jo and Erik must have gone into
panic mode.  What were they going to do? They needed a new strategy.  They
needed to smear the current committee. Make them seem illegitimate and with a
hidden agenda.  What better way to do that than to taint them with the stain of
the woman they've done such a good job as portraying as a witch, Candace Nagle. 
One of them must have remembered a mention of the charter in the emails so they
dusted those off.  Remember the emails? I wouldn't blame you for having
forgotten.  There hasn't been so much hype of something that turned out to be
nothing since Geraldo Rivera opened Al Capone's vault.  They spent $3000 for
them thinking they were going to find gold but all they got were emails about
dogs and bikes.  There was one tantalizing tease in there though.  One of the
emails Candace sent to mentioned an attachment listing "topics of discussion"
Candace was having with Tom Coen and CEC member Ann Ma!
guire.  They must have figured this would be their smoking gun.  After all,
since it hadn't been given to Vincent as part of his initial request, it must be
because it so damning that the town withheld it. Of course, right?

Based on what I've learned from Doug Johnstone, another request for the
attachment was submitted to him on Monday and handed over soon after. I haven't
been able to confirm it, but it seems like the hadn't been any additional
requests for documents since Vincent's initial one.  When Mike said he'd been
waiting a year to get it I think that only meant that it should have been handed
over as part of the package a year ago.  My hunch is that no one either noticed
that an attachment was missing or if they did, wasn't interested in what it
contained until now,

Despite not having the document, they went ahead and prepared their timeline and
put their spin on the content of a few emails.  Don't even get me started on
Sister Mary Margaret Hatcher clutching her rosary beads at the very thought of
their being the slightest bit of impropriety. Funny, that's just how I felt
about his voting status.  And then Mike tries to make it seem like there's no
need for charter reform to begin with, that's it's a "once or maybe twice in a
generation thing."  Nothing could be further from the truth.  We haven't had a
new charter since 1990.  It pre-dates the internet for chrissakes!  It's time,
Mike.  It's time.

Let's take a look at what Mike and Mark think was a secret conspiracy against
them.  First of all, the notion that this was conducted in secret is absurd.  No
one knows better than Candace Nagle herself that emails are public documents. 
She knew these would be easily available to public and nowhere in the emails is
there any mention of keeping anything confidential. Then there's the fact that
Town Manager has no role in either the election of the Charter Enforcement
Commission or the appointments of member to the Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee
or in drafting any proposed revisions.  Besides, other than saying she'd give it
some thought she had no suggestions for changes.

In fact, Candace was nothing if not completely open about her desire to prompt a
charter review and her displeasure with Mary-Jo.  Her October 12, 2013 email
which says, in its entirety," All- it is quite clear that our Town Moderator has
gone rogue! Perhaps it is time to have a discussion about changing the Charter
so that not just one person is not the appointing authority for members of the
Finance Committee as it is glaring apparent that the current Town Moderator has
not lived up to the high standards set by past Town Moderators like Rosylin
Garfield and Irene Rabinowitz. Candace"  was sent not just to every member of
the BOS at the time but to Tom Donegan and Mary-Jo herself as well.  So much for
secrecy!

I want to know what's wrong with a voter wanting to get the ball rolling on
updating the charter.  We're about 15 years overdue, other towns do this every
10 years.  Based on what I've heard at the joint meeting, there's a lot in there
that needs to be cleaned up, never-mind brought into this century.  Sure,
Candace expressed her displeasure with Mary-Jo Avellar and said it was time to
have a discussion about making it so the Finance Committee wasn't appointed by
only one person.  Big deal, that's been said by lots of people.  Saying it's
time to have a discussion about a proposed change does not a conspiracy make.

For the sake of argument however, let's assume Candace was making an effort to
put her own people on the Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee to use them to promote
her agenda.  Of the 5 people she'd like to see on the committee only two of them
ended up on it, Ann Maguire and Robert Vetrick.  Although Tom Coen wasn't on her
wish list he had been cc'd on the emails regarding it and he ended up on the
committee as well.  Before Ann resigned, there had been 11 members so it's not
as if Candace stacked the deck in her favor.
As for her alleged agenda, I don't know what Mike and Mark expected to find in
the attachment but I don't think they found it.  I don't see one controversial
item amongst the 8 bullet points.  There's been talk of her wanting to expand
the powers of the Finance Director.  That's not true, the email mentions only
wanting to "establish" the role of the Finance Director.  There's no one that
can argue they don't think the role of the Finance Director shouldn't be well
defined.  The rest of the document consists of a cut-and-paste from the town of
Sterling's charter about filling vacancies. It's a snooze-fest.

It's important to know how the Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee was formed.  I've
read outrageous claims on MYPACC that need to be refuted. It's been said that
Elaine Anderson, Austin Knight and David McChesney each hand picked two members
of the committee and that Ann Maguire did the same.  That's completely untrue. 
I verified with Doug Johnstone that after the Charter Enforcement Commission
(the elected oversight body) sent a letter to the Board of Selectmen proposing
the formation of the committee and it was approved, that they openly advertised
for applicants.  Nine people applied and they were all given brief interviews at
the August 26, 2013 Board of Selectmen meeting.  They all appeared to be well
qualified and enthusiastic and were all approved.  The process was open to
anyone and no one was denied a seat.  How can there be a conspiracy there?  It's
impossible.  It should be noted that Julia Perry seemed genuinely unaware that
Candace may have played a role in prompt!
ing the idea that it was time to review the charter when presented with that
information at Monday's meeting.  She also seemed to not think much of it.

I'd like to correct another fallacy that's out there, the one that says Dan
Hoort is rewriting his own job description.  For once and for all, the Charter
Enforcement Commission is not the group that drafts proposed changes, that's the
Charter Review Ad Hoc Committee of which he in not a member.

Another misleading statement on MYPACC was this one, "Fincom doesn't MAKE any
rules NOR can Fincom enact anything. What they can do is bring things to Town
Meeting. So, therefore, if you change the Charter so that the Moderator doesn't
appoint these people directly, you can then control what goes to Town Meeting
Floor because, well, because people are too stupid to vote the right way on what
comes before them." Huh? How does changing the method of appointing FinCom
members "control what goes to Town Meeting Floor?" What am I missing here?

That was followed by this, "Are you understanding this now? These people want
the town run by an Oligarchy, NOT the people. That's their agenda, and that's
the issue with the proposed changes by some people on the Ad Hoc Committee."

Really?  That's the exact OPPOSITE impression I got from l the Banner article on
the subject.  "Currently, FinCom members are appointed by the town moderator,
but Perry said the committee has considered multiple options for changing or
amending the policy in the face of on-going public debate on the issue.The
committee is currently weighing the benefits of requiring an additional
endorsement of the town moderators appointments at a town meeting and is also
looking at how some neighboring Cape towns have addressed the issue, including
in some cases, having FinCom members become elected officials, Perry said."

So the Ad Hoc Committee is considering taking appointing authority away from a
single person and giving voters a say by either voting at Town Meeting or in an
election. Excuse me, but the current method is what's oligarchical! The goal of
the committee seems to be to give power to the people instead. That's hardly
treating voters as if they "are too stupid to vote the right way."

The other misrepresentation out there is that the Ad Hoc Committee is going to
implement changes behind everyone's back.  That's ridiculous.  In fact, the
process is an arduous one, requiring a few levels of approval before becoming
official.  The specific method hasn't been decided upon but it's likely to
require approval from the Board of Selectmen then a two-thirds majority vote at
Town Meeting as well as approval at the ballot box and then approval from the
state's attorney general's office.  Nothing is going to happen without the
opportunity for input from everyone.

Since Mike and Mark disparaged the integrity of Ann Maguire she resigned from
both the CEC and the Ad Hoc Committee.  Who can blame her? One more person to
resign in disgust in the wake of Mike Canizales' destruction.  How many does
this make? I've lost count.

With the information I've provided here I hope everyone will now be able to see
through the fog of lies and misrepresentations that Mike and Mark have tried to
spread.  Let's stop this nonsense and allow the Ad Hoc Committee to get back to
the good work they've been doing.

Stephen McGovern
10:22 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

Please Post a Few More e-mails

It's great when we can read them and understand even more what this small group
was up to. Thanks.
9:29 am edt 

There Was no Dick Dock Raid


The previously reported "Dick Dock" raid never occurred.

The actual facts are: The police department received a call which claimed that
a man was seen on Commercial Street near the "Dick Dock", bleeding from his head.
 
A police officer on bike patrol was ordered to investigate the  incident. Upon arrival
the reported individual was missing. The officer searched beach-side for  the alleged
injured person. Not finding the individual, the officer reported the results and  returned to duty.

8:46 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

Reading all these postings about a so-called conspiracy that's exposed
by the CN emails is hysterical!!! Keep it coming. Those claiming a conspiracy
are making themselves look like fools right in full view of the town.
8:29 am edt 

The E-Mails Reveal so Much

They are at times unbelievable that one person, Candace Nagle, could get so many
town employees to respond immediately to her outlandish demands. but they did
and they--yes they--Sharon Lynn, Dan Hoort, yes, David Gardner, and Jeff Jaran,
with the push from Austin Knight, Ann McQuire and others were controlling much
in this town--and not for us, but for them and their desires and their goals.

We are so fortunate that we have these e-mails and so fortunate that some fought
against this inner circle and that now---Sharon Lynn is gone; Jeff Jaran is
gone; Austin Knight is gone; and so is that questionable instigator Candace
Nagle.

When they were at the helm, it was a scarry time and scarier than many of us
understood and grasped. but now, let us all learn from the intrigues of this
inner group and go forward with our eyes wide open. This surely involves
grasping what Dan Hoort and Kyletta and then those remaining on the Charter
Revision Group are really all about. they cannot go forward. They are carrying
out the old mandate and those days should be over and behind us--not our future!
8:27 am edt 

Friday, August 22, 2014

Re: Candace Nagle's E-mails-There is a Cabal !

Fincom is Provincetown's Benghazi

Honestly. Right? If you are looking for conspiracies that don't exist, or you
want to try to derail something all you have to do is yell FINCOM just like the
Republicans yell BENGHAZI. Both nothingburgers.

At least Fincom is more productive than Congress is, and maybe that's the problem.
These people don't want the town to move on and actually take care of business,
they just want to grind us to a halt just like Washington. So just say no to these people
and their machinations.

Especially just say a big NO to the Charter Ad Hoc trying to solve problems that don't
exist so we really get nothing done in this town. It's disgraceful.
8:24 pm edt 

Forwarded Emails by David Gardner?????

Since when does an Assistant Town Manager forward town emails specifically to
outside people WITHOUT an FOIA request? Has anyone reading here had someone at
Town Hall just forward them an email FROM THEIR PHONE when they simply asked????
Take a look at this from the email archive on the Article 30 non-controversy
(remember this Article 30 was the beginning of the end for a lot of people).
Remember to look at the date/time. Gardner forwards this FIRST THING IN THE
MORNING when he gets in to Nagle. WTH is/was going on at Town Hall????? Well at
least we now know why Gardner did nothing about Nagle's infamous ill-gotten town
parking sticker. It all makes sense seeing this.

From: David Gardner
To: Candace Nagle
Subject:
Fwd: General Legislation Exemption+
Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:03:07 AM

David Gardner Assistant Town Manager Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Sharon Lynn <
slynn@provincetown-ma.gov>
Date: March 13, 2013, 5:36:29 PM EDT To: David Gardner <
dgardner@provincetown-ma.gov>
Subject: FW: General Legislation Exemption+
FYI
Sharon Lynn Town Manager Town of Provincetown 508-487-7002
slynn@provincetown-ma.gov
From: Mary-Jo Avellar
Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:29 PM
To: [redacted list of town employees]
Subject: Re: General Legislation Exemption+

Hi Everyone,

The following is the follow-up regarding Article 30 and Mike Canizales's
participation in its drafting. As you will see, there are no prohibitions. I
have also spoken to Town Counsel John Giorgio who assured me that Mike did
nothing illegal. I hope this clarifies the matter for once and for all and that
we can get back to the important business of town meeting rather than the
politics of personal attack. Mary-Jo Avellar
8:13 pm edt 

100 Hundred Emails

KEY  emails held!!!!!    over 100   for what reasons? One can only
surmise.    EVIDENCNE.  Still trying to keep them from a lawsuit against the
town. That shoud tell us ALL something.
8:09 pm edt 

I am So Pleased With How the Police are Acting

They show concern, involvement and care for the community. this is what is was
years ago before Jeff Jaran was here. I like the present attitude and concern
for all of us.

I thank Jim Golden for helping us move to this point--a delicate balance but one
that is so crucial for this town.
8:07 pm edt 

The Carnival Parade

Thought the PBG did a great job with the parade... but not sure if I missed
it... but did we have a grand marshal in the parade?  I didn't see her???
8:06 pm edt 

100 Withheld Emails.......Why?

Demand the 100 + emails held back that involved Candice Nagel. They
are doing everything not to release them.
8:04 pm edt 

Re: FinCom & BOS Review

Definitely agree we should hold off hiring ANY new employees including
police until it's vetted through the budget process. I believe that is what
FinCom has been saying all along. The BOS better make sure before it happens!
8:02 pm edt 

Ann Maguire

Notice Ann never sits on regulatory boards - she sits on boards that are about
power and money - she stocks them with weak or like minded individuals which is
not hard since getting volunteers for govt committees in this town is a joke.
When thing don't go her way, she and her wife and friends just quit. Watch
closely which committees they are on and you will see the wiles of her ways. for
a pol like her from Boston it's like shooting fish in a barrel. wake up Ptown!
8:00 pm edt 

Re: Ann McGuire's Resignation

Some of the so called High Powered political hacks that performed in
Boston & Washington outlived their usefulness there! They tried to play the same
game of manipulation in a smaller place where there are more Village Idiots!
What they didn't expect was that some didn't just get off the boat!! They're
more Politically savvy than was expected!Some people had McGuire figured right.
Behind the scenes pulling strings! Not liking the hot seat in the limelight! Her
resignation is not a surprise but don't be fooled. The tactics will play on!
Defeat is not her style!
7:49 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

- Over the last few years, some posters here expressed criticism or
disbelief about the use of the term "cabal" in reference to a specific group of
individuals that sought to usurp the will of the townspeople, and control the
direction of the municipal services and priorities from our town government.

- If there's any need to document for these naysayers that a cabal did exist,
just follow the paper trail in these e-mails.  Many of the cabal's names are in
these communications.
7:47 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

These e-Mails when Posted are So Revealing and Damning

It is here in black and white--set up a charter Revision Working Group planned
by Sharon Lynn, Candace Nagle, Ann McQuire, Austin Knight--and these are some of
the names involved in this secret group to undue what they did not like and take
power away from MaryJo as Moderator and attempt to undermine the Finance
Committee.

Planned, orchestrated and implemented. Now it is time for all of us to say: No
to the proposed changes and to revamping the Charter. The motivation was wrong
and the aim perverse.

Also consider that Austin Knight, Elaine Anderson and David McChesney each
picked tow people to serve on this Ad Hoc Charter Revision Committee. See
anything wrong there? they were part of this conspiracy!
10:33 am edt 

Several Injured During apparent LSD "Trip" in Provincetown

PROVINCETOWN - Multiple police and rescue units were called to the area of the
Harbor Hotel at 698 Commercial Street at Snail Road around 7 p.m. According to
reports three or four people were "tripping" on LSD. At least two were taken to
Cape Cod Hospital for treatment of injuries sustained. Further details were not
immediately available
10:30 am edt 

Re: Ann McGuire's Resignation

Regarding Mrs. Maguire's resignation, she ensured that her
"like-minded" acquaintances be appointed to the two Charter groups.  Just sit
back, watch, and enjoy the ride.
10:27 am edt 

Re: Ann McGuire's Resignation

Wrong.

She resigned because she wasn't going to fight the fight alone and sacrifice
what little stature she has left in this town. Sharon is gone and Candy is a
joke that nobody is listening to any more. That means Ann would have had to
carry the load alone and that wasn't going to happen
10:24 am edt 

FinCom & BOS Review

After watching carnival parade today and saw all the police officers,
I really hope the BOS ask that the department holds off on hiring any new
officers before we start the budget process. I'm not saying we don't need to
replace officers if a vacancy exists but I believe those open positions should
go before the FinCom and BOS for approval to fill before it happens.
10:15 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

Sorry guys: The drop box will not do

You are either nerds or we are either simpletons. the drop box does not work for
me and I thing for others. Just get the e-mails plain and simple. Otherwise we
will not go there and never see the damage that may be there.

Print the e-mails. Make it simple for us. too nerdy, too computer savvy and you
lose your pulse and your point.
10:05 am edt 

Re: Ann McGuire's Resignation

Who cares what Ann Mcguire *said*? It's all to divert attention from what
actually happened and her being hip-deep in it. Here's one from the archive
below where Nagle was emailing about a group to Austin Knight BEFORE it would
ever be FORMALIZED. This was FORWARDED to Sharon Lynn. Who gets to set up secret
committees in town that "a lot could be done" in BEFORE they're actually set up?
Who is anyone kidding here? It's all there in the archive, just look for it,
don't believe me or anyone else. Search it for yourselves. THAT'S why Ann
resigned. It's called "smoking gun".

From: Candace Nagle
To: Sharon Lynn
Subject: fyi....forming a Charter Review Working Group
Date: Sunday, October 28, 2012 1:36:51 PM

From: Candace Nagle
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 1:35 PM To: 'Austin Knight'
Cc: 'Ann Maguire'
Subject: forming a Charter Review Working Group

What do you the think? A lot could be done over the next several months. Then
formalize it at spring Town Meeting?

Candace

10:04 am edt 

Re: Ann McGuire's Resignation

"If you believe Ann M. resigned to avoid heat you are either naïve or a newbie
to town."


If you believe what you wrote, you are hopelessly naïve or part of the problem.
If you know Ann, you know she HATES to be in front of anything. She's a old-hand
political operative from Boston. She works BEHIND the scenes. Now that these
emails have come to light, she's IN the spotlight which is exactly where she
does NOT want to be. The letters speak for themselves. It says CLEARLY that she
was involved with Candace in the Charter project. There's no way around that.
They were trying to control the process and the outcome. Anything else she has
to say is her way of getting out of the collusion. Pure and simple. Read the
archive. She wants to blame the messengers. Don't be fooled. This isn't about
Fincom or the people involved. It's about the CONTENT of these emails and the
behind the scenes manipulation. You can talk all you want and so can Ann, but
read what's there. That's why she resigned. She got caught. And STOP saying
"Fincom". This had NOTHING to do with Fincom. Just stop it.
9:59 am edt 

Thursday, August 21, 2014

Re: Ann McGuire's Resignation

If you believe Ann M. resigned to avoid heat you are either naive or a
newbie to town. Ann is a woman of immense character and intelligence. This town
is so lucky to have had her input and care. Anyone that does not realize this is
a fool. I blame Fin Com and Bos for this loss.
10:23 am edt 

Re: Dan Hoort - Finance Director Rewriting His Own Job Description

"There is no way that Dan Hoort legally should be on the Charter
Commission. It is time to take this to the Ethics Commission, which has not yet
happened. Let the state decide how illegal this crazy act is."


They are on the Charter ENFORECMENT committee.  It is not a COMMISSION!!!  It
has no power to change the charter NONE.  EVER.  You go to the state instead of
this constant barrage of misinformation .
10:21 am edt 

Wednesday, August 20, 2014

Dan Hoort - Finance Director Rewriting His Own Job Description

So In These e-mails we Have the Ad Hoc Charter Committee Revising the
Role of the Finance Director

This was planned two years ago. With Ann MaQuire, Sharon Lynn, and Tom
Coen--with the intent to redefine the role of the Finance Director. And Dan
Hoort--the Finance Director--was part of this little special group that
communicated constantly with each other and demanded information on others in
town dealing with their concerns.

And now--Dan Hoort and his partner Kyletta are BOTH on the Charter Commission
and this commission is reshaping his position. This is more than a conflict of
interest and for town voters to allow this illegal, unethical action to continue
is a real problem.

Dan Hoort is there redefining his role, trying to stop the Finance Committee
from having the power it does and attempting to get the Town Moderator to be
limited to a neutered role.

There is no way that Dan Hoort legally should be on the Charter Commission. It
is time to take this to the Ethics Commission, which has not yet happened. Let the
state decide how illegal this crazy act is.
10:58 pm edt 

Re: Ann McGuire's Resignation

Walker, why don't you post the statement Ann made at the meeting
yesterday? I'm sure you won't because it reflects poorly on your Fincom buddies.
10:48 pm edt 

Re: Ann McGuire's Resignation

"Ann McGuire Quits Both the Charter Committee and the Ad Hoc Charter
Committee!"



Wise on her part; even wiser will be if she refrains from controlling both
groups' agenda via remote control.
10:45 pm edt 

Candace Nagle - Emails

WHERE ARE THE 100 PLUS EMAILS HELD BACK??? YES
THEY ARE THE MOST DAMNING. WILL WE EVER SEE THEM? SOMETHING TELLS ME THEY WILL
DO EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING NOT TO RELEASE THEM. WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SEE THEM. 
They are going through great lengths to keep them non- public. Wow. Must be very
interesting reading material.
10:37 pm edt 

Ann McGuire's Resignation

Really, you might read her resignation.  Sure sounded to me like it
was pure disgust with FinCom and the Board of Selectmen that drove her to
resign.  But of course, Clarence won't publish anything that impugns Mikey and
Marky.
10:05 pm edt 

Ann McGuire's Resignation

I hereby resign from the Charter Enforcement
Commission and from the Charter Review Ad Hoc Commission effective August 19, 2014


Ann Maguire

RECEIVEDAUG 2 0 2014
TOWN CLERK
 
10:03 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

Ann McGuire Quits Both the Charter Committee and the Ad Hoc Charter Committee!

It seems that as a result of the postings,  which revealed the machinations of Candace Nagle et al, Ann McGuire quit the Charter Committee and Ad Hoc Charter Committee to avoid the heat!
1:34 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails


Here are the Documents From the Candace Nagle Email on Changing the Charter!

From:
Candace Nagle

To: Sharon Lynn

Subject: info req ( when you have the time :))

Date: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:40:30 AM

Attachments: charter 1.doc


Hi Sharon,

I know you are really busy with STM tonight.

I am working with Ann McGuire on a proposed Charter Review

Working Group. We are developing some areas that should be

reviewed for possible changes to the Charter (attached). We are going

to reach out to the Charter Enforcement Commission to ask how we

can help them. Are there any things you’d like to be considered in the

proposed Charter review? Something from West Goshen’s Charter

you wished were in our Charter? Attached are several things Tom

Coen and I came up with yesterday during our first discussion on the

subject.


Thanks,


Candace

 

Dream Charter Review Working Advisory Group: Ann McGuire, Robert Vetrick, Ruth Gilbert, Irene Rabinowitz, Gary Delius

  • 1. The charter should have a requirement that the charter be reviewed every 10 years, in the years ending in 0.
  • 2. All public hearings should be required to be published in a newspaper for 2 consecutive weeks.
  • 3. 'Non-interference' should be in the charter. BOS can't interfere with day to day operation of Town Government.
  • 4. Establish the role of the Finance Director in the Charter.
  • 5. Charter is clear on BOS removing appointed member of committee/board but not clear on removing Town Moderator appointed member of Finance Committee or Personnel Board.
  • 6. Not in Charter that Town has to have an assistant Town Manager. Important when Town Manager can't perform duties and we need acting Town Manager.
  • 7. Any appointing authority must recuse himself or herself if applicant is a relative.
  • 8. The charter should include a Charter Review Committee.

TOWN OF STERLING

POSTING and INTERVIEW POLICY FOR

VOLUNTEER BOARDS AND COMMITTEES WITH VACANCIES


Any volunteer Boards and Committees vacancies which occur through resignation or otherwise, which report to the Board of Selectman, shall be announced at a Selectmen's meeting. The Board of Selectmen shall discuss and set a deadline for receipt of applications and instruct the Town Administrator to post the position on the Town Bulletin Board, Town Community access channel, any appropriate worksite bulletin board, and the Town website. The Town Administrator shall also notify the Board/Committee of the pending vacancy. lf, after posting for twenty-one (21) days, and the Board or Committee with the vacancy has no applications or nominees, then the Board of Selectmen may elect to make another announcement regarding the vacancy.

1. All interested candidates shall submit letters of interest, using the citizen volunteer form located on the Town website, to the Selectmen/Town Administrator and the Board/Committee that has the vacancy. In addition, the Board and Committee that has the vacancy may send nominees/written recommendations of candidates to the Selectmen/Town Administrator. Members of Boards and Committees to which the candidate is applying shall be involved in the interview process.

  • 2. All candidates shall be interviewed in public session of the nominating Board or Committee. The name of the final candidates shall be forwarded, along with Board and Committee recommendations, to the Town Administrator and the Board of Selectmen for interview and vote of acceptance.
  • 3. If a vacancy involves a joint appointment, then once the deadline for application has passed, the Town Administrator shall schedule a joint meeting with the Board of Selectmen, Town Moderator and representative(s) of the Finance Committee to interview candidates in public session. Appointments

shall be made by the Board of Selectmen, Town Moderator and Finance

Committee, with each having

one vote for a total of three (3) votes. Any other joint appointments shall follow a similar process between the Board of Selectman and the

appointing body.

  • 4. if a vacancy does not involve a joint appointment, then the Board of

Selectmen shall interview candidates in public session, taking into consideration the recommendations of present members of the board or committee, and appoint candidates by majority vote.

12:31 pm edt 

Facebook Talk

Can anyone please confirm that the Ptown police raided the dick dock
last night? It's been all over Facebook that it was. Is there any truth to this?
12:11 pm edt 

Re: FINCOM's Timeline

A little correction to the excellent story below. The genesis of Article 30
(which was done in one day, btw) was the fact that Austin Knight refused to put
the police station discussion on the BOS agenda. Seriously. When he did that,
Tom Donegan took out papers to run for Selectman the next day (and won) and Mike
C wrote up Article 30 and got it signed in HOURS, only to become Fincom chair
after Tom was seated on the BOS. As we all know, Article 30 also PASSED. So the
complete downfall of all these people started with Austin Knight's refusal to
discuss something people WANTED discussed, but a certain FEW people who DIDN'T.
So he squashed it. (btw, that was completely in his right to do, but stupid
politically and was the beginning of the end). This is what people mean when
they talk about a "cabal"...these few people that ran the agenda and got
squashed whatever they wanted to. Austin was famous for only putting items on
the BOS agenda he wanted to.

So don't believe anything you read on backwater Facebook pages comprised of
these FEW people that have been involved with this from the beginning. All of
this was legal and proper. Even what Austin did was, although suicidal
politically looking backwards. If he had just thrown it out there for people to
vote on, none of this would have happened. This is the Mitt Romney story writ
large...if you surround yourself with hacks that only tell you what you want to
hear, you end up on the wrong side of everything. Clearly, that is what happened
here. And clearly this is still going on with attempts to manipulate the Charter
Committee. Search that archive for people's names who are on there now (minus
the one that resigned last night since all this came to light).
12:09 pm edt 

Re: It Ain't Broke, It Doesn't Need Fixing

"People continue to demean the Fin Com because they're "only
advisory"! Well,I like the term for them as "Watch Dogs" better! Their job is to
scrutinize spending funds,yours and mine,any kind for any reason! I'd like to
think they are like my personal accountants"



Well then, if they're your personal accountants, then why would you not want to
hire them yourself?? I've yet to hear anyone advance a logical argument as to
why ONE PERSON should have the power to appoint the entire committee. Why not
some combination of authorities or the even the general public have a say in who
their Watch Dog will be?
12:05 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

These E-Mails are Amazing as Well as Shocking

Who is this woman really? Who is Candace Nagle? and maybe even more significant,
who did she think she was? she absorbed like a tainted sponge the time,
attention and effort of so many town employees. She was a woman who thought
herself so important that each and every town employee should drop whatever they
were doing--and address her concerns.

This is simply sick and bothersome. That so many town employees put up with her,
cajoled her, and responded to her narcissistic demands bothers me. Candace Nagle
was totally focused on herself, her image, her issues, her perspectives, her
enemies.

Please tell me why town employees placated her? why did they even responded over
and over again to this self-centered woman?

Someone must have an answer.
12:03 pm edt 

Re: Taxes and Residential Exemption

"Commercial property doesn't change."


this needs an explanation.  If the tax on "residents" goes down then it has to
be made up by others.  That would mean all other property including commercial. 
So if I own property other than my occupied residence, I would have to pay more
to make up for the reduction of owner occupied properties. Right?  all
properties on Commercial street that have non-owner occupied spaces would
subsidize other people whether they can afford it or not.  I would pay more and
you less even though you make a million per year and I just scraping by.
12:00 pm edt 

Re: Taxes and Residential Exemption

"Good idea here to help encourage more full-time residents? Or unfair
tax on the wealthy?"


Interesting concept.  Would lower taxes encourage more full-time residents? 
Why?  Are all part time residents wealthy?  How do we know this?  Do we want
more divisiveness in town?  What would happen to charity from part timers? 
Fireworks?  Soup kitchen?  PAAM? Aids support? Why would they participate if we
treated them as outsiders and second class?

Is it moral?  Is it fair?  We all know some of them.  Do we want them as fellow
contributors in PT or as enemies?
11:58 am edt 

Re: Taxes and Residential Exemption

If a residential exemption is implemented it will lower taxes for
property owners who reside in Provincetown and put higher taxes on property
owners who reside elsewhere, meaning non-resident property owners will pay
higher taxes.  I own property and reside in Provincetown so I would benefit from
a residential exemption but I don't think it is fair to shift taxes onto
non-resident property owners so am not in favor of it.
11:55 am edt 

Re: Taxes and Residential Exemption

It would encourage more full time residents in Town. Every property
owner in Town would become a full time resident and no one would be able to say
that they arnt. There just isnt a clear enough way to prove someone is or is not
a full time resident.

Name one thing that would PROVE that I am a full time resident. Or that my
neighbor is not.

I would rather see the properties that are being used to generate income have a
higher tax rate. But that would be a Democrat move to tax the haves, instead of
the Republican move we have now to protect the haves from higher taxes.

Its a strange Town I live in, people talking out of both sides of there mouths
all over the place. But I love it, and Im glad your here too.

A Rat In The Basement
11:51 am edt 

Re: More E-Mails Please

"I find the dropbox difficult to navigate but reading just one e-mail
is eye-opening and makes the collusion of Candice, McQuire, Lynn and Coen--and
aren't two of these still involved in the so-named Charter revision ? McQuire
and Dan Hoort--still illegal--and his partner Kyletta-- are on the Charter
Commission and then Coen is on the Charter Revision committee."



You have trouble navigating the dropbox and I have trouble navigating your
concerns here.  So what if these folks are on committees?  What ability do they
as individuals have to alter anything?  NONE.  They are not the COMMITTEE.  THEY
are not Town Meeting.  They are not the full electorate of PT.

So, instead of getting all lathered up about certain people being on committees
and sending emails and having contacts with certain others, tell us exactly what
your fears are.  Changing the charter, as has been pointed out, is an arduous
procedure that is designed to assure the people that the charter will remain as
a well designed blueprint for government in town.

Tell us your troubles, bunky.
11:47 am edt 

Tuesday, August 19, 2014

Taxes and Residential Exemption

I was reading where Mashpee didn't like the idea. How do the people of
Provincetown feel about a Residential Exemption here? Basically, it gives a tax
break to people who have a full-time residence here in Provincetown, while
taxing people more who are seasonal/part-timers. The maximum is 20%. It's a
sliding scale that would probably start to diminish around 800k in property
value. Commercial property doesn't change. Good idea here to help encourage more
full-time residents? Or unfair tax on the wealthy?
2:37 pm edt 

It Ain't Broke, It Doesn't Need Fixing

People continue to demean the Fin Com because they're "only advisory"!
Well,I like the term for them as "Watch Dogs" better! Their job is to scrutinize
Spending funds,yours and mine,any kind for any reason! I'd like to think they
are like my personal accountants,otherwise Dept. Heads get carried away when
[someone] else's money is at their disposal,(like taxpayers in this case!) Fin Com
[members] don't agree with each other on everything but I trust they arrive at
decisions that are beneficial overall!

Political maneuvers to empower some by changing the Charter according to their
wishes is unwise! We should leave it as is, get Gov't back on track with key personnel
ie; Town Manager,Police Chief,etc. & deal with Charter changes another time,(like 5 or
10 years from now!) The Charter is fine! People wanting to play games with it are not!
1:08 pm edt 

Re: Vernon Porter

Sounds like a "dirty dig" to say that Vernon (former Bd. of S.
secretary),would rather get disability than to work! I'm not Vernon firstly,but
when empowered Employers cause harm to their employees that medically effects
employees health,by all means that should be compensated! The condition often
doesn't allow for continued work in a stressful place after such ordeals! Know
what you say before you say it!
11:46 am edt 

Re: FINCOM's Timeline


"I'm confused as hell with The FINCOM's timeline. What does Chief Jaran have to
do with the Charter? The timeline makes no sense. I don't get it."



Jaran's involvement is the catalyst to the reaction. You realize that all this
insanity started over the 12M Taj Mahal police station that some people in the
town *dared* to question. This kicked off a Nixonian set of circumstances where
the police were used as "enforcers" and started doing things like following
people around, ticketing or arresting them etc. It also led to the
electioneering. At the same time, start looking at the uptick of emails flowing
from Nagle to a small group of people on town staff (and remember who they
were/are) including the chief (there's on in the cache where she's requesting
arrest records to be sent to her personally, bypassing the legal way to do it).
So the backdrop for all of this is the police station which is the beginning of
the end, and directly leads to the Chief being fired, the BOS turning over,
Sharon fleeing town, and the resignation of all the people (except for a couple
now) of Sharon's appointments to jobs at Town Hall.

The real purpose here is to circumvent and prevent items coming to town floor
discussions (like the article 30 flap) because, you know, we villagers are too
stupid to vote the right way (clearly as you see in the Petas comments about
Town Manager pay that WE voted for), so we have to do anything we can to
suppress votes or change the rules. Take the flap about Fincom. Fincom doesn't
MAKE any rules NOR can Fincom enact anything. What they can do is bring things
to Town Meeting. So, therefore, if you change the Charter so that the Moderator
doesn't appoint these people directly, you can then control what goes to Town
Meeting Floor because, well, because people are too stupid to vote the right way
on what comes before them. Are you understanding this now? These people want the
town run by an Oligarchy, NOT the people. That's their agenda, and that's the
issue with the proposed changes by some people on the Ad Hoc Committee.
11:45 am edt 

Backwater Facebook Page?

There's been a lot of reference to things posted on a certain facebook page, but
no direct mention. I don't know why all the oblique references. If people want
to look for themselves, they should just go to the "Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet
Beacon" page. It's open, and you can read for yourself. Membership not required.
Some of it's satire, but everyone is intelligent around here, and can figure
that out for themselves.
11:41 am edt 

Re: More E-Mails Please!

Another email for your reading pleasure! Just to hammer home the point about what's going on being the same as the Republican's attempt to change voter laws because they can't win at the ballot box, we wind the clock back to the Article 30 discussion. So since the town was in favor of this, and since it got the required number of signatures, the people against it must *question the process* and make it illegal. This is the exact point about the Ad Hoc Charter Committee. Since
the townspeople voted for Mary-Jo as Moderator, and since these few of us don't like Mary-Jo, let's make moves to take away any appointing authority she has because the townspeople are not smart enough to vote for the right people. What they'd rather have is a bunch of oligarchs running the town in some sort of "enlightened despotism" sort of way. This email cache is just disgusting:

From: David Gardner

To: Candace Nagle

Subject: Fwd: General Legislation Exemption+

Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:03:07 AM

David Gardner

Assistant Town Manager

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: Sharon Lynn <slynn@provincetown-ma.gov>

Date: March 13, 2013, 5:36:29 PM EDT

To: David Gardner <dgardner@provincetown-ma.gov>

Subject: FW: General Legislation Exemption+

FYI

Sharon Lynn

Town Manager

Town of Provincetown

508-487-7002

slynn@provincetown-ma.gov

From: Mary-Jo Avellar <dasmja@comcast.net>

Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:29 PM

To: Jody O'Neil <jodeodrive@earthlink.net>, Tom Donegan <tndonegan@gmail.com>,

"gojs@live.com" <gojs@live.com>, Catherine Russo <catherinesofia@verizon.net>,"

reclaw39@aol.com" <reclaw39@aol.com>, "jtg1549@gmail.com"

<jtg1549@gmail.com>, "mike@sniffk9s.com" <mike@sniffk9s.com>,"

douglascligggot@mindspring.com" <douglascligggot@mindspring.com>, Sharon

Lynn <slynn@provincetown-ma.gov>, Austin Knight <aknight@provincetownma.gov

>, Elaine Anderson <eanderson@provincetown-ma.gov>, Erik Yingling

<erikyingling@gmail.com>, "Francis J. Santos" <fsantos@provincetown-ma.gov>,David McChesney <

dmcchesney@provincetown-ma.gov>,

"dgardener@provincetown-ma.gov" <dgardener@provincetown-ma.gov>, Mary-JoAvellar <

dasmja@comcast.net>, Jeff Jaran <jjaran@provincetown-ma.gov>, Dan

Hoort <dhoort@provincetown-ma.gov>

Subject: Re: General Legislation Exemption+

Hi Everyone,

The following is the follow-up regarding Article 30 and Mike Canizales's

participation in its drafting. As you will see, there are no prohibitions. I

have also spoken to Town Counsel John Giorgio who assured me that

Mike did nothing illegal. I hope this clarifies the matter for once and for

all and that we can get back to the important business of town meeting

rather than the politics of personal attack.

Mary-Jo Avellar

From: Mike Canizales [mailto:mike@sniffk9s.com]

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:03 PM

To: Jody O'Neil

Cc: Tom Donegan; mavellar@provincetown-ma.gov; Duane Steele

Subject: FW: General Legislation Exemption

Hi Jody,

I’m updating you on me working to get disclosure requirement guidance

from Nora at the Ethics Commission. I reached out to her on Tuesday 3/5

before any fincom discussion. Unfortunately we only connected and

finished speaking today. My calls are logged to the commission so you

can verify timeline if you need/wish to.

You’ll see that I have no requirement on disclosure other than notifying

the Moderator as I have done. That notification is a public document.

My waiting to disclose was necessitated by me not having guidance on

how/to whom from the Commission not because I wanted to remain

anonymous as some have suggested.

Your article mentions the ban on being an agent for groups. You’ll see

from the enclosed detail flyer that Nora directed me to that there is a

very clear exemption for Matters of General Legislation. I’ve included a

link to the full article here and an excerpt below.

Re your quote of me talking about Dottie being first. What I wanted to

convey was that Dotty was the first person to sign. Neither she nor I

realized that Town Policy means that she would be published as the

Proponent. When Doug Johnstone told me that I of course informed

Dottie who was more than happy to have her name published in addition

to merely being a signatory. I hope this gives a bit more context to the

quote.

http://www.mass.gov/ethics/education-and-trainingresources/

educational-materials/advisories/advisory-88-01.html

I’m ccing Duane and Maryjo since they were quoted in your piece.

Regards,

Mike

From: Mike Canizales [mailto:mike@sniffk9s.com]

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:59 AM

To: Mike Canizales

Subject: General Legislation Exemption

MATTERS OF GENERAL LEGISLATION

Municipal employees may represent others on matters of general legislation, and

home-rule petitions. For example, municipal employees may represent advocacy

groups or other parties in order to draft, promote or oppose general legislation, or

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DISCLOSURE OF APPEARANCE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST

AS REQUIRED BY G. L. c. 268A, § 23(b)(3)

PUBLIC EMPLOYEE INFORMATION

Name of public

employee:

Mike Canizales

Title or Position:

Vice Chair FINCOM

Agency/Department:

FINCOM

Agency address:

260 Commercial Street, Provincetown, MA

Office Phone: 508 487 7000

Office E-mail: mike@sniffk9s.com

In my capacity as a state, county or municipal

employee, I am expected to take certain actions in the

performance of my official duties. Under the

circumstances, a reasonable person could conclude

that a person or organization could unduly enjoy my

favor or improperly influence me when I perform my

official duties, or that I am likely to act or fail to act as

a result of kinship, rank, position or undue influence of

a party or person.

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this relationship or affiliation and to dispel the

appearance of a conflict of interest.

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Describe the issue

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I casually many of the signatories on the

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that it would be in proper form. I helped gather

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the Town Clerk and asked if the signatures were

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while

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or organization?

I am 1 of 8 individuals who may or may not vote

to recommend an article that is on the warrant.

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know how I will ultimately vote either as fincom

member or town member. I feel I’m able to be

completely impartial on this article.

I have no deep ties or loyalties to the signers and

no business or personal relationships that could

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If you cannot confirm

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BELOW.

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11:26 am edt 

Monday, August 18, 2014

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

How Much time was taken up by Candace Nagle for every petty questions
she had

She should have been taxed double for the time, questions, and demands she made
upon town employees. Every little idea that drifted into her head was
immediately sent to Sharon Lynn, Dan Hoort, and Doug Johnstone and Jeff Jaran.
Why did so many put up with her intrusions, her petty concerns, her excessive
demands? there should be a town suit against her for overbearing actions, for
neurotic-driven inquiries and for her self-serving actions.

This is a      woman with serious problems who is using town involvement to
cover up her             and her deep and dark           .
11:09 pm edt 

Re: FINCOM's Timeline

I'm confused as hell with The FINCOM's timeline. What does Chief Jaran
have to do with the Charter? The timeline makes no sense. I don't get it.
11:07 pm edt 

Re: Peter Petas

"When given the opportunity to truly create good change, they'd rather snark
then add to the conversation."


It's even more outrageous than that. Now Petas is pontificating about the Town
Manager's salary and tossing insulting hash tags around to people who are
actually trying (in vain) to have an intelligent conversation. He's also
suggesting that the people of this town didn't know what they were doing for
voting on what to pay our town manager *on the floor of town meeting*. Yeah,
we're all too stupid to know anything but you, Peter, especially when you LEFT
the committee. No, let's all just wait for you to make some pronouncement from
NYC and tell us stupid villagers what we should do, and how we should pay people
here 30 or 40k more than we should because other towns are silly enough to buy
into that inflated salary garbage. Go on Peter, tell us more please. How did the
town exist without your wisdom for so long? #sorrynotsorry (that's the correct
use of a hash tag, btw, just so you know)
11:05 pm edt 

Fin Com Chair Public Statements to BOS

 

PARTIAL TIMELINE

I'm requesting the Selectmen not re-appoint the current committee until a full investigation of the below has occurred.

There is significant APPEARANCE of inappropriate coordination, non-disclosure, and partisan behavior influencing

the establishment and operation of the Committee. If this is not properly reviewed and addressed, a great deal of energy will be

wasted litigating this on Town Meeting Floor and our ability to work on housing, tax exemptions, CIP Funding, etc. will be greatly diminished.

Examples of areas to be looked into:

Mar-12

Police Station Plans Unveiled at Public Hearing

Apr-12

Coen & Maguire Resign from Finance Committee

May-12

Avellar Elected Moderator

Aug-12

Chair of Charter Enforcement mails BOS about possible Charter review. Request ignored, lost or not acted on.

Fall 2012

Police Chief Scandal Percolates, Pig, No Further Investigation, etc.

Oct-12

Nagle complains about Finance Committee Chair Donegan writing letters to Banner. Questions legality of same.

Nagle encourages TM to write letters to the Banner, without a touch of irony.

Oct-12

Nagle mails Lynn and Knight requesting Charter Review cc Maguire

Oct-12

EMAIL TO BOS: All- it is quite clear that our Town Moderator has gone rogue!

Perhaps it is time to have a discussion about changing the Charter so

that not just one person is the appointing authority for members of

the Finance Committee as it is glaring apparent that the current Town

Moderator has not lived up to the high standards set by past Town

Moderators like Rosylin Garfield and Irene Rabinowitz. Candace

Nov-12

Lynn to Nagle "I'll spend some time on this over the weekend"

Nov-12

Candace,

How do you plan to go about making any changes? I have given this thought, and continue to do so. Are

you planning a meeting with the Charter Enforcement Commission members? sl

Sharon Lynn

Nov-12

Nagle to Lynn: I am working with Ann McGuire on a proposed Charter Review

Working Group. We are developing some areas that should be

reviewed for possible changes to the Charter (attached).

May-13

Donegan Elected BOS

Aug-13

Ad-hoc Committee Interviewed. Were Nagle, Maguire and Coen (?) roadmap or discussions disclosed to BOS during interviews.

They apparently have NOT been disclosed to Ad hoc members.

Aug-13

Ad-hoc Committee Appointed

Fall STM

Perry presents committee overview to STM and represents that no Electoral process for Charter Review will occur

Dec-13

Lynn leaves

Jul-14

Finance Committee meets with ad-hoc subcommittee and clearly advocates no change to town meeting time UNLESS extensive

survey is done to ensure change would bring larger audience

Finance Committee also adamantly opposes change to Warrant closing 60 days before TM as it would be less democratic

Ad-hoc minutes fail to accurately reflect this.

Aug-14

Perry omits above meeting results when presenting to BOS and infers TM and warrant closing would be administrative and non-controversial

Perry fails to inform BOS that any change to appointing process for Finance Committee is "nuclear" as far as Finance Committee is concerned. Omits

results of two meetings with Finance Committee on the subject.

Perry presents several changes arguably designed to muzzle or neuter the Selectmen.

8:34 pm edt 

Re: General/Admiral Jaran

Ferguson is a Lesson to US..

..of what we could have been. Thank goodness Jaran is gone. Otherwise, he was gong
to gain more military equipment, more armed vehicles, and more assault weapons.
Feguson is suffering from the excess of federal monies for police departments
that can grow with tanks, boats--remember when Jeff Jaran wanted to purchase a
boat for the pier to be armed by the police--and he would have wanted more and
more.

Ferguson is a great reminder that a police department should reflect a community
being served and being served is the mandate. Not attack, maime and kill.
11:55 am edt 

More E-Mails Please

I find the dropbox difficult to navigate but reading just one e-mail is
eye-opening and makes the collusion of Candice, McQuire, Lynn and Coen--and
aren't two of these still involved in the so-named Charter revision ? McQuire
and Dan Hoort--still illegal--and his partner Kyletta-- are on the Charter
Commission and then Coen is on the Charter Revision committee.

These seeds--some like bad seeds--were sown early on while Sharon Lynn and Jeff
Jaran were trying to control this town like Generals instead of town employees.

So please post more e-mails. They help us understand the seeds of change that
this Charter Committee is trying to both grow and uproot. What gets
uprooted--like changes to the Finance committee--is for a small coterie to
regain the power they had when Sharon was here. and to make Dan Hoort powerful.

Beware. These are changes being proposed and advocated that fail to make this a
better town.
11:51 am edt 

Re: Russell Braun - Fomer Building Commissioner

'That's where all the good Ptown employees end up. Russ Braun"
 

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE ON SOMETHING

Russ Braun was one of if not the Worst town  employee. Catered to his
"friends" and made work for some unbearable. He was totally nonconsistent
which can be seen in file after file. There is so much that has been uncovered
in the building dept. having to do with very questionable actions by Russ Braun.
We are so lucky he is gone.
11:48 am edt 

Well, Whoo, Wow!

The blog is blogging! thanks for all these great postings. I know more about
what is happening in this town because of this blog. I am amazed at the recent
postings and glad that you are here!
11:45 am edt 

Re: Fomer Chief Jeff Jaran

Jaran- Does anyone know the status of Jaran's appeal?
11:44 am edt 

Re: Charter Revision

All this talk about people trying to rig the system by changing the
charter.  If the posters put aside their outrage and read the charter they would
see that it is very, very difficult to change the charter and cannot be done in
a stealth operation.  So drop the conspiracy BS and read the charter.  People
can get together as often as they like with whomever they like to discuss
charter changes by the dozen.  But, unless the town wants these changes they
won't ever happen.  A single person cannot make changes.  A committee can't make
changes.  An elected body can't make changes.  So stop with the silly
accusations.

it would be very helpful to all if Clarence posted the charter here.  It is
essential to the operation of the town.
11:43 am edt 

Re: Connecting the Dots

I am a resident of Provincetown of many, many years. I must say, this was a very
interesting read and well done at that. If there are any employees who were part
of that conspiracy by choice and not by force should be termminated. This shows
us tapayers there are employees of power and not of what is for the good of the
town as a whole. If these employees took part in something once that was not for
the good of the people then whos telling what they are capable of doing again. I
feel very uncomfortable knowing these are the types of professional people that
we have trusted to run our town.
11:41 am edt 

Re: Candace Nagle Emails

CANDACE NAGEL EMAILS MADE PUBLIC-  The most interesting and damning
emails are the 100 plus that WERE NOT released! We all need to demand they be
released. They were ALL screened before release. For some reason 100 Plus were
not. Although I have heard regarding a law suit against the town that They plan
on obtaining them. Not sure of this though. Nor will it be public knowledge
immediately.  Again- we all should demand these emails and now. Then Everything
will make sense. The most damining emails are in that 100 plus that were held
back and they will do everything in their power to continue holding them back.
11:32 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran - Robert Anthony

It wasn't Chief Jaran that said Community Policing was a term used in
order to get Federal Grants to local communities,it was the former Chief,Robert
Anthony,(now our Selectman), he was very clear about it back in his day,that it
was a way to be able to hire more Police,especially "Summer Rent-a-Cops" program
which were people in college studying Law Enforcement! It had nothing to do with
establishing harmonious relationships with people in Town! It was about money to
fund Police Programs!
11:31 am edt 

Re: Vernon Porter

"I wish Vernon would come back, his replacement could not measure up,
he should be invited back and treated well,  .  .  ."



He's currently working on getting disability and would rather do that than work.
11:24 am edt 

Sunday, August 17, 2014

Re: Candace Nagle - Provincetown Charter Re-write

I have been re-reading Connecting the Dots, the recently released "public record" Emails  substantiate the conclusions of the writer, regarding the use of the Provincetown Charter
to affect major changes.

Read it for  yourself, it's the tag just below the Shout Out tag on the left side
of the blog page.

It all  ties together! They are still trying their damnedest to  play the system.
11:30 pm edt 

Re: Candace Nagle - Provincetown Charter Re-write

We really owe Candace a debt of gratitude for so thoroughly documenting all the underhanded tactics and the people involved by her incessant emailing.
11:17 pm edt 

Re-writing the Provincetown Charter

A great question to ask is, in the beginning, where was the BOS? Why was this a Sharon/Candace/Austin/Maguire/Cohen collaboration BEFORE the appointing authority, the BOS was involved? How did THAT happen? Why was this         women involved *choosing how to re-write the Provincetown Charter* AND *WHO* was going to rewrite the Provincetown Charter? And, furthermore, what's in the missing attachment to the first email and how does that match up with proposals coming from the current committee?????
11:15 pm edt 

Candace Nagle to Sharon Lynn E-Mail


From: Candace Nagle

To: Sharon Lynn

Subject: info req ( when you have the time :))

Date: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:40:30 AM

Attachments: charter 1.doc


Hi Sharon,

I know you are really busy with STM tonight.

I am working with Ann McGuire on a proposed Charter Review

Working Group. We are developing some areas that should be

reviewed for possible changes to the Charter (attached). We are going

to reach out to the Charter Enforcement Commission to ask how we

can help them. Are there any things you’d like to be considered in the

proposed Charter review? Something from West Goshen’s Charter

you wished were in our Charter? Attached are several things Tom

Coen and I came up with yesterday during our first discussion on the

subject.

Thanks,

Candace

11:09 pm edt 

Jeff Jaran - Community Policing

I recall Jaran saying about Community Policing that it was a term
established to give federal grants to local municipalities.  The way he would
word it sounded like it was just a gimmick for cities and towns to get extra
money from the Feds.
10:59 pm edt 

Re: Peter Petas

"He should just stay there and bother the rest of us
no more. "


Exactly. Those that post on the backwater pages, including Peter
Petas,continuously agree with each other, re-wording the same thoughts over and
over. The self-congratulations and butt slapping is a total bore. When given the
opportunity to truly create good change, they'd rather snark then add to the
conversation.
10:39 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

Let us look forward to the future of the police department instead of
looking backward.  The future is the important conversation, not the past!
9:30 pm edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran
 
You Are right

Jeff Jaran was the worse Police chief. and why? because we had two Police
chiefs--Jaran and Lynn. That is what we had for management and so-named
leadership and it was police mentality and kick-ass approaches by both of them.

Can anyone of us feel relieved that both of them--both--Jaran and Lynn--are gone
and gone forever.

It is, for me, but a sigh of relief.
9:28 pm edt 

General/Admiral Jaran

The chief took his marching orders from the Town Manager. Together
they militarized the department with fear money from the homeland security
office, and stomped community policing right out of existence at the same time. 
I'm surprised there isn't a purchase order somewhere in Town Hall files for the
Humvee and an assault helicopter.
9:26 pm edt 

Re: Vernon Porter - Former BOS Secretary

I wish Vernon would come back, his replacement could not measure up,
he should be invited back and treated well, not that the old TM has flown the
coop with her minion the library director who left us with a mess.
9:24 pm edt 

Re: Peter Petas

"I don't know what committee he was on but after watching a few of the meetings
on PTV..."



Fantastic. You watched a few meetings you can't name, you don't know what
committee he was on, but you're defending him? I was told from one of the
committee members (just so we're clear, he was on the Town Manager Ad Hoc Select
Committee) that he used the "I won't be here" excuse because he was in a huff.
The committee had less than a month left, he could have called in via phone for
the rest, but chose not to. So I think the comparison to Sarah Palin was pretty
spot-on. Now he hangs out criticizing on a back water page with a bunch of
people that won't even identify who they are. THIS is a guy ANYONE should take
seriously? Really? Who exactly does he think he is? I think he gave up the
ability for anyone to take him seriously a long time ago, especially given where
he posts now...with pseudonyms for all the people that caused all the problems
in town in the first place. He should just stay there and bother the rest of us
no more.
9:20 pm edt 

Saturday, August 16, 2014

Re: Jeff Jaran

From my recollections, Jaran is the worst Chief of Police our town has
ever had, bar none!
4:37 pm edt 

Ferguson vs Jeff Jaran

Jeff Jaran "instituted community policing". What??? Are you out of your mind???
Community Policing was instituted here decades ago by Chief Bobby Anthony, and
then continued by Chief Ted Meyer and Acting Chief Warren Tobias.

Jeff Jaran wouldn't know community policing if it bit him in the a$$!


4:18 pm edt 

Re; Questioning the Questioner

To the person who has a problem with us questioning town spending on
bloated pension funding and funding for daycare at the high school, pay my
property tax and then I'll shut up. Why the heck should any taxpayer not
question spending, especially the nonsense that goes on with the school budget.
4:13 pm edt 

Look Like the Jaran Fan Club is Now Posting

He instituted a militarized police force. He gained access to Homeland funds and
wanted more and more war toys. He militarized our pier and was on his way to
greater war-like attitudes that made this town, for a while, a police state.

I appreciate what Jim golden is now doing in undoing the Jeran attitudes,
actions, and outfits. He is returning this town to a real community--not a
battlefield in a war of his own making.
12:41 pm edt 

I Don't Understand People Here Anymore!

They don't want to pay for committed retirement funds for former honest hard
working employees that worked for pittance salaries in comparison to now! They
don't want the High School Building to school our younger children after they gave the Middle School away and want the Gov. Bradford School/Community Center sold!You poke fun at Sarah
Palin,but she's got more sense than that! She'd take care of the retired elderly
and children! Where's your sense of human decency? Rte 6 - East is open! You may
want to consider it!!
11:40 am edt 

Link to Email Archive

Since we are all concerned citizens here, I thought I'd post the link I saw on
another page to the email archive that was generated for Vince, with all of "she
who shall not be named" emails to Town Hall now that it's been made searchable.
Everyone should look for their favorite email and post it. This is what happens
when one person holds a town government hostage. Let's all make sure it never
happens again.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aeveg9guijqiypl/Currier%2009232013%20Responsive.pdf
11:37 am edt 

Town Manager Search Committee

Why was the joint meeting with the BOS on Monday cancelled?  More drama in the
Town Manager search?  Can this town do anything right?
11:12 am edt 

Ferguson vs Jeff Jaran

How dare you talk about Ferguson and compare it to our Town.  Chief
Jaran hired the police we have now and instituted community policing.   Before
he arrived, no police officer would look at you, they drove around with their
windows up.   He instituted what we have today and he hired the younger police
that we have now.
11:10 am edt 

Re: Peter Petas

I don't know what committee he was on but after watching a few of the meetings
on PTV, especially the zoning and historic meetings, I don't blame him for
quitting. Why in their right mind wants to volunteer their time to be talked to
and treated the way some members are treated by the employees?
11:08 am edt 

Friday, August 15, 2014

Re: Letter To Barnstable County

Well, well, well, here we are having the usual screech monkeys now complaining
about the Chair of the BOS' letter to the County House of Representatives. Why
even Provincetown's very own version of Sarah Palin, Peter Petas (you know,
because he also quit his position halfway through and is rumored to have seen
Russia from his lovely waterfront manse)is pulling the Fox News trick of
correcting grammar and ignoring the content. Where have we seen this before?

OPEB shortages are important...VERY important as we found out when we listened
to the Auditor's report concerning the town (go look it up, it's in the PTV
archives) and has a direct bearing on bond ratings, financing rates etc and will
have MORE of an impact in the future. But here we have people shrieking again
just for the sake of it. The same tired voices, including Peter       who can
argue here, but can't seem to serve out a term to benefit the town. Why does
anyone give these people oxygen? Thank God they're pretty much confined now to
arguing with people under assumed names. Let's get the town's finances AND the
county's finances (since we pay a disproportionate part of the bill because the
property value is town is so high) in order. So let's let the "usual suspects"
arguing here argue among themselves while the rest of us do what's right. And
actually talk about what funding OPEB means.
9:45 pm edt 

Provincetown Public High School

How much money is  needed to do more repairs on the high school
building? Will this ever end? How many secretaries are they hiring this year? No
more secretaries, use the money to fix the building!
9:38 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

At some point back in time Bangs Street was just empty land. And at
some point someone built the road and put up some houses. So maybe we should be
attacking those people for starting it.

That makes as much sence as what your saying.

What is happening today is just normal progress and you know what they say about
progress.

A Rat In The Basement
9:35 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street

The developer of Bangs is now in trouble with the Historic DC for
building unapproved changes to the building at 67 Commercial.

I have a feeling this too will not be dealt with fairly.
9:34 pm edt 

Updates

LETS HAVE AN UPDATE ON THESE ISSUES

The virtuous circle and its housing plans.

The housing described by Timothy Guy Olive

The housing plan for the available lots in town.

the town manger search.

The great housing crisis--but no one attending the housing meetings--until town
meeting when they ask for money
9:31 pm edt 

Thursday, August 14, 2014

Re: Truro Administrator

"Yeh, and we heard that David Gardner was one of the 70 applications for truro."


That's where all the good Ptown employees end up. Russ Braun, Pat Pajaron, a
number of cops. I also heard Waldo may be looking to jump. Looks like lots of
upward mobility for the low level personel in town!
9:53 pm edt 

Re: Truro Administrator

"Yeh, and we heard that David Gardner was one of the 70 applications
for truro."



Wow, you heard!! such a great source of fact,  You heard.  Nice.
9:49 pm edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran - Ferguson, MO

Acting Chief Golden is a great guy.  He cares about the community and
the communities perception of their law enforcement personnel.  His judgment is
sound and would help anyone in need.  I'm sure in the coming years you will
notice a complete shift in what you see day to day from your police officers.
9:46 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

You would have to be so Naïve to Believe that the Leveling of the Land

will not go any further than Ted Malone's delibilated cottage. Really? they have
cut down major trees, demolished the shrubs, opened up the land and leveled a
significant dune and this is it? a road to a debilitating cottage? How could
anyone believe this is what this is all about?

It is about opening Bangs Street--that little street--to Howland and making the
sick little cottage worth more when it can be linked to Bangs and Howland.

It is disgusting and another Ted Malone disaster for this town. And who is
helping him? I blame Judy Mencher who did the development there at Bangs and who
took over the town road and who is in cahoots with Malone. and the poor little
community living along Bangs gets royally screwed.

And they should be grateful for bread crumbs---grateful for the lie that this
will not be open to Howland??

I am sorry but I cannot believe than anyone can be this naïve.

It is over and done and your little road will soon be open up like a fetal pig
to new traffic.
9:44 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

Re: "I Live on Bangs and I am Not Happy"

"Well then, we all went around and asked everyone to contribute to the
lawyers that we hired to investigate"



I am an abutter to this property and I was not asked, ever,  to contribute to
any legal cause pertaining to this.
9:40 pm edt 

The Unintended Consequences

I wanted to add that when millions if not billions of monies are given to
"protect" the homeland--a term only George Bush would have come up with--there
are many unintended consequences. And what we see today, in small towns and
big cities, is the increase problematic militarization of our police. and then when
the guns, vests, shields, and big guy uniforms arrive, these guys themselves and
some women get transformed by the new roles they play. They become the military;
they become the hunters of terrorists when those they face are only the people who
live in their communities, who go to school with their [children]. 

In a fog of the past when, transformed by the Gung ho uniforms and heavy-duty killer
guns, they see the other as that: other, foreign, enemy. Then they see themselves as
protectors of the Homeland and killers of the other. Then they aim and shoot and the
results are tragic when they should be our protectors and they turn into destroyers and
sharp shooters against all of us.

Then, as in Ferguson, teenagers are shot and die. And all others fear the very force they
should look to for protection. But all that changes when the SWAT and Homeland monies
sadly and tragically transform our friendly police into a military force.
12:50 pm edt 

Jeff Jaran - Ferguson, MO

Look At Ferguson and Look at the SWAT team outfits and heavy military
gear and military guns

And if you're critical in your thinking you will see the direction that Jeff
Jaran was taking this town. Hew too was gaining Homeland Security funds for a
SWAT team approach to almost any problem. He too was into secret targeting,
following citizens he thought were against him, and then taking over the pier
and  making the sea another area to gain more funds and militarize the pier.

I am so glad he was stopped and I am glad that the Pig incident and the courage
of Eric the bartender gave us the change we now have.

there is now a different atmosphere, a different relation with the community on
the part of the police and I think Jim Golden has done a great job in handling
this difficult transition: from militarized police force to a community-based
police force.

Thanks Jim Golden. Provincetown is a better community for your leadership.
12:44 pm edt 

Re: Point Street-Bangs Street

Doesn't the conservation head live in the vicinity of bangs street?
12:41 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Seeet

Who in town hall would have connections with the bangs street property as a
previous post made mention of. If this is fact the case then should whomever it
is not be recusing themselves.
12:39 pm edt 

Wednesday, August 13, 2014

Point Street Destroyed Dune

So far no remediation has been done to stabilize the wrecked dune on Point
Street.  It has been eroding further with every rain.  Is anyone accountable for
securing the dune?  Does any town board or official care?
11:28 pm edt 

Re: FinCom

So the BOS is considering buying the parking lot just east of Johnson
Street, to do what? Hopefully we will not be asked at town meeting to buy this
lot to use it for more parking because "we need the revenue". Make it a
waterfront park! And another thing, what the hell is going on with the VFW site,
a million dollars Use it or sell it you       .
11:25 pm edt 

Re: FinCom -Can Someone Please Answer the Question?

Finance committee made a priority about pension cost and unfounded
liabilities.  Turned out to be nothing.  New contracts approved with a reduction
of 5% for payments by town for health ins and borrowing from pension funds. 
What sup with that?
11:21 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

Maybe the question is: Can Anyone Just Create a road in front of their
house or to their house and just do it? Can you take down trees, move
land, and not have to have any review? Even a curb cut requires BOS approval.

Something's not right here and the complains I hear a bout Bangs Street
Extension and the new cut through requires oversight. With the new Zoning laws,
you can't move many buckets of dirt without triggering a site plan review. and
this did not even a review or a committee meeting and no input from the public?
11:18 pm edt 

Truro Administrator

Yeh, and we heard that David Gardner was one of the 70 applications for truro.
3:29 pm edt 

Re: Outer Cape Event

"Outer Space Health - Glad we were not sitting at table!
Our group had a blast!"



You missed the point, we had fun at our table.
But the food was not good for the money you paid.

Next year just a donation.

The End
3:19 pm edt 

Re: FinCom -Can Someone Please Answer the Question?

"The FinCom made it a priority that the town council contract goes to
bid. I'm I missing something but I don't recall that happening. I believe it
should be an agenda item for the BOS. Again, promises made and never kept. What
a joke!"



It has been pointed out that the FinCom does not appoint Town Counsel.  But,
where did this idea come from?  Do any posters here read the Charter?  Everybody
seems to be very keen on politics in PT, but nobody seems to want to know the
laws that govern us. Why?  I guess if the complainers knew the laws they would
run out of complaints.

By the way, who made the promise and never kept it?
3:14 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

Re: "I Live on Bangs and I am Not Happy"


Well then, we we all went around and asked everyone to contribute to the lawyers
that we hired to investigate the land ownership, and get Ted Malone to some sort
of settlement as to what was going to be built, how come WE were the only ones
to give money? If you're posting here and are so unhappy (indeed if you even
know where the street IS) why didn't you contribute? Because you didn't. There
was only one other abutter that did, and you're not it (I can tell by your
writing).

Secondly, to all the whiners here about this, there ARE no board issues, there
was only the issue of who had a claim on the land. If we settle that, then this
will move forward. And we are happy with what Ted Malone has proposed. If you're
not, you should have contributed to the legal work. If you didn't you now don't
get to whine.

As a third point, if anyone else here that's commenting really wants to know
anything, property records are in the public domain. Don't be lazy and spouting
off here, LOOK IT UP. The commentary is beyond silly.
3:10 pm edt 

Former Police Chief - Jeff Jaran

Does anyone know the status of the arbitration hearing for fired cop
Jeff Jaran?
12:01 pm edt 

Re: FinCom -Can Someone Please Answer the Question?

"The FinCom made it a priority that the town council contract goes to
bid. I'm I missing something but I don't recall that happening."



Probably because fincom doesn't decide something like town counsel, it's a BOS
decision and gee, maybe they are waiting until they hire a new town mgr
11:57 am edt 

Point Street......Bangs Street.....

No notification given on point street either.
I was told by the conservation head,just because you want to take down
a dune and cut into it,doesn't require notification.
11:55 am edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

If No Abutters Were Notified and this alteration of land and moving of
many sq. feet of land

Then we have a Planning board that treats some properties one way and then
treats others another. Look at what was done on Shankpainter when the bike
people were forced to put in planters, face a serious site plan review. and now
bucket and buckets of land is moved, the dunes cut into. and no public meeting?
No Planning board oversight? Is this because it is Ted Malone? Is this because
it is linked to the Judy Mencher development that abuts this? And is it because
someone at town hall was intimately involved in their dealings?

I would hope not but---the questions remain.
10:29 am edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

"What notices did not go out? Why were we not notified?"


Like every other reader here, I am totally unqualified to answer, but I'll give
it a shot.  You were not notified because they hate you and want to destroy your
way of life so that you will leave PT and then malone can take your property and
make millions.
10:26 am edt 

Re: I Agree With the Original Post About The Outer Space Event

"The Outer Cape should be apologizing to all those that attended."


Do you mean "me" when you say "all"?  I read at least on that was quite happy. 
From reading the general tenor of posts here, some people are nevr content with
anything. Happiness alludes them.
10:24 am edt 

Re: Outer Cape Event

I thought the Outer Cape Health benefit was wonderful. Such a great
variety of food and non-stop lobster rolls...sooo good. Glad we were not sitting
at                 table! Our group had a blast!
10:22 am edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

Not all construction in Town must go before boards. If you can build
something withen the bylaws, rules and regulations, then you dont need any
special permission. And if your not going before a board you do not have to
notify anyone including the neighbors about your intent. Might this be what
happened on Bangs street?

A Rat In The Basement
10:20 am edt 

Re: Vernon's Replacement

Re: "Heard the woman that took Vernon's position as secretary to the
selectmen is going up to the school to work. Why have so many people in town
hall left? What's going on?"


In case you haven't heard the Town isn't a great place to work.  Under constant
attack by citizens (see this blog) and the pay is lower than most towns on the
Cape.  I heard through the grapevine that we are receiving single applications
for department head positions.  Only one application for Bldg Commish.  Same for
another position, don't remember which one.

Truro received 70 apps for town manager, we got less than 30, that should tell
you something.
10:17 am edt 

Outer Cape Event

I went but what I do not get is that they were raising
money to finish the building.

We need to know why? You received $3m
from the federal government.

10:15 am edt 

Re: I Agree With the Original Post About The Outer Space Event

The event was poorly planned

The invitation sounded better then the event

You should never leave an event that you pay
$175 per ticket and then go to Tin Pan Alley to get
something to eat
10:14 am edt 

Re: I Agree With the Original Post About The Outer Space Event

Lobsterfest?  The only lobster I got was lobster rolls
That the waiters walk around with and it was not a whole
roll it was cut half.

Special guest Barney Frank did not look happy
to be there.  He couldn't even bother to get "dress up" for
the event.

Sorry I will not be attending next year, but will
send a donation instead.
10:12 am edt 

Tuesday, August 12, 2014

I Agree With the Original Post About The Outer Space Event

If there was left over food, why didn't the caters put it out?  It was not a
very well planned event and I will not go again.  The Outer Cape should be
apologizing to all those that attended.  It was an embarrassment to a fine
organization!
11:29 pm edt 

FinCom: Can Someone Please Answer the Question?

The FinCom made it a priority that the town council contract goes to bid. I'm I
missing something but I don't recall that happening. I believe it should be an
agenda item for the BOS. Again, promises made and never kept. What a joke!
11:27 pm edt 

Bang Street

Where was this work done? There is conservation land near  One section at the
end of bang street near the most recently built condos. I believe the section of
where the condos are private so everyone in that area owns to the middle of the
rosa but it still requires approval is approval is required.
10:27 pm edt 

Bang Street - What Really Happened - or Not?

If all the work on Bangs Street Was In Front of boards then many of us who
live on Bangs would have been notified as abutters. But we were not. If the
Planning Board was involved in the many buckets of sand moved and if zoning
was involved in the land changes and if conservation was involved in dunes being
cut into--then abutters would have at least received a notice from Community
Development. but we did not.

So what did not happen?

What notices did not go out? Why were we not notified?
10:20 pm edt 

I Agree With the Original Post About The Outer Space Event

To the previous previous poster outer space health services is what we long
timers call the place, so give it up.

I have a question for you, how did you know there was plenty of food left?

On the planning committee?

I heard it was bad, little food and loud music that you couldn't  talk unless
you went to the restrooms.

Oh yea and they only gave you desert plates instead of dinner plates to put you
food on....what gives with that?  Little food, little plates?
10:17 pm edt 

Is This Site Really About Concerned Citizens ?

Is this site really about concerned citizens or only about the finance
committee.  So much of the permanent part is about the FinCom, but when anyone
posts anything that might be considered negative about the FinCom it never gets
allowed.

This is a private site but is run like a state controlled media outlet from
Russia . No dissent or contrary opinions.  You must be concerned only like
Clarence thinks you should be concerned.
8:39 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

"what paper work has been done on Bangs? It is not just legal
issues--it is town boards and selectmen that need to vote on this?'



Of course there is no need for paper work when you have the inside track and
know how to manipulate the system.  but then, what if the "paper work has
actually been done?  HMMM.  How awful would that be to discover that it was done
properly and legally.  I'm sure that you won't bother to ask those that might
know.  If you were told that all was ok and saw the papers to prove it, then
what would you do?  Nothing to complain about.  Yikes.
7:25 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

"Has the changes on Bangs Street Gone Before Planning and
conservation? And also BOS?"



Do you really want to know?  If so then ask them.  How do the changes warrant to
be heard by planning, conservation and BOS?  Do you have a clue what by-laws are
involved, or are you on another fishing expedition to satisfy who knows what
kind of agenda.
3:25 pm edt 

Civilian Police Academy

I was pleased to see that the civilian police academy is once again
being offered this fall. As someone who took it this past Spring, I highly
recommend it. I personally had no idea about the length of time it takes for the
booking procedure and many of the other routine occurrences that police have to
deal with daily. Loved the ride along, the shooting range and especially getting
to know the dedicated men and women we are fortunate to have on our force.

Mary-Jo Avellar
1:53 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

Has the changes on Bangs Street Gone Before Planning and conservation?
And also BOS?


Are you serious?
1:26 pm edt 

Outer Cape Health Services Lobsterfest

I agree with the original post about the event.  The food was scarce and even
though it was a fund raiser, you shouldn't leave an event hungry.  I also will
not go again, but would make a donation to such a worthy cause.  Hopefully the
planning committee received what they paid for, because over all it was a skimpy
event.
1:13 pm edt 

Re: Drug Use

"Why is it anyone's responsibility to "do something" to save anyone
who is stupid enough to shoot junk into themselves?"


Nice to be perfect without any weaknesses.  Nice, also, to not suffer from any
feelings about others.  Makes for a much less complicated life when all you are
concerned about is you.  Dealing with addictions and other symptoms of human
nature is very frustrating and there are some like you that can't handle it. 
Thank goodness that there are plenty of others that care.  What do you think
about the AIDS support group?  Are they fools for being concerned about people
that should have known better?
12:24 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

Has the changes on Bangs Street Gone Before Planning and conservation?
And also BOS?

You just can't cut into dunes. You just can't cut into land without coming in
front of planning and these days having a site plan review? Has this happened?
And if it is a road being cut into the dunes and land, then it is a curb cut and
needs BOS approval.

what paper work has been done on Bangs? It is not just legal issues--it is town
boards and selectmen that need to vote on this?

Is this another go-around? another Ted Malone do-what-I-want-to-do approach?
something seems amiss here.
12:21 pm edt 

Re: Outer Cape Health Services Lobsterfest

To the person who said the Outer Cape Health Center (they wrote Space
Center..so mature) fund raiser was the worse they have ever been to and there
was not enough food.........We went to the fund raising event on Saturday. There
was plenty of food being passed and on the tables. There was plenty left over.
The town hall looked elegant and it was a fabulous event. Can't wait for next
years!
12:18 pm edt 

Vernon's Replacement

Heard the woman that took Vernon's position as secretary to the selectmen is
going up to the school to work. Why have so many people in town hall left?
What's going on?
12:16 pm edt 

The Banner....

And the headline will read........ Business,s have great season!
This headline has appeared every year for years,to bad they
Don't interview actual  business,s.
9:23 am edt 

Re: Drug Use

Why is it anyone's responsibility to "do something" to save anyone who
is stupid enough to shoot junk into themselves?
9:20 am edt 

Another One Bites the Dust!

Vernon's replacement already has one foot out the door

Boy, that didn't take long .

Is it the water?

9:19 am edt 

Outer Cape Health Services Lobsterfest

We went to the fund raising event on Saturday.  We paid $350 for 2 tickets and
got very little lobster and not enough food.

I get its a fund raiser and been to many of them in town.
But this was the worst one I ever been to in my life.

I will stick with PAAM, ASG and HOW!!

Never again OUTER SPACE HEALTH CENTER!


9:18 am edt 

Re: Wasting Town Dollars

The person that suggested the Finance Committee look at eliminating some of the
jobs that are obviously a duplication of effort and probably unnecessary is
"Right On The Money".  However, the Finance Committee should also look closely
at the expenses of many of the Town departments in an effort to increase revenue
instead of carte-blanche raising rates. A good example is the number of people
employed by the parking department, and what they do.  Why is it necessary to
have parking department personnel riding around issuing parking tickets when
there are police officers both riding and walking tnrough the streets? Why are
there so many janitors in the DPW? Can they not circulate between buildings?
9:16 am edt 

Monday, August 11, 2014

Permit Coordinator
 
We sure do wish Maxine was back.  She knew the people and if she didnt know them
at first, they knew or heard of her because she, treated everyone with the same
respect and took the time to help us out. She came to the window and was
extremely helpful and knew the bylaws frontwards and backwards.  When I was
looking to purchase my property I asked several different people who I should
talk to and they all said you want to talk to Maxine because she will guide you
through the process.  They were absolutely right! Not only was she helpful she
went out of her way to even leave paperwork in my mailbox over the weekend
because I could not get down to Provincetown during the weekday. She went above
and beyond and I was saddened to learn of her retiring. She is greatly missed!
3:46 pm edt 

Re: The Banner

"They don't print the really bad news (which is usually the most
important news)."



And who decides what is "really bad news"?  You of course.

For a really small town news paper the banner is very, very good.  If you think
that the Banner should be the the NYT or other big city papers, think about
number of copies printed.
3:44 pm edt 

Re: Town Planner

"She was not hired to sit at meetings, write decisions, pontificate on
rules, and hand out client cases.
She is in the weeds--and someone should extricate her from the details. she was
hired, so I believe, to look ahead and help the town face its future in the best
possible way."


This sounds like you really know about why she was hired and what her job
description is.  Did you hire her?  Please share her job description as in the
official town records.

Is pontificating the same as explaining or discussing?
1:27 pm edt 

The Banner

It's true the Banner is only a promotional device.

They only write about entertainment news that is going to happen; there are
never reviews of shows that have already occured.

They never do in-depth investigating on town officials, or anyone for that
matter.

They often "write around" the real story.

They always endorse incumbents in local elections.

They don't print the really bad news (which is usually the most important news).
12:42 pm edt 

Re: News Suppression Indeed
It is important to point out the critical difference between the
Advocate and the Banner.

The Advocate did investigative reporting as well comprehensive reporting on
public issues under consideration at public meetings.

The Banner has always taken the "high road" approach in reporting with the
objective of showcasing the community's assets (arts & culture & environment,
etc.). The predominant goal of the first owner/publisher was to use her
newspaper as the vehicle to transform Provincetown from a fun place to an arts
and cultural destination, always citing the transformation of North Adams from a
desolate mill town with the infusion of a new Museum of Contemporary Art, which
turns out to be hardly an economic success story since North Adams has had for
years one of the highest unemployment rates in the Commonwealth.

The Banner's strategy has always been to print "positive" news and downplay the
"negative" news when it had to be reported to keep its advertisers renewing
their ads.

Since the bankruptcy restructuring of Gatehouse, the Banner has been reduced to
a skeletal staff; all the reporters are "stringers" because they don't have to
pay them costly benefits; and all the big commands emanate from the Cape Cod
Times, the new owner, which is a direct competitor for news.

So, in final analysis, don't expect much from the Banner. You'll learn more
about what's going on in your community from the Cape Cod Times.

It's really a puff newspaper and we'll see how long it can survive.


12:39 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

Re:  "I disagree with what was done. I was opposed then and I remain
opposed now. We lost what we should not have lost. It was our road, our dirt
road and it belonged to us. It has been taken, stolen, from us."


I don't get this comment at all.  An argument is being made that a town owned
road was paved over.  Now you claimed it belonged to you (or maybe just you and
your neighbors).  Are you saying you co-opted a town owned road for your own
exclusive use?  Other than paving and landscaping what was done to make this
road exclusive to the new condos?

According to the neighbors who hired an attorney  the land records were murky as
to who owned what land.  What I don't understand is how paving a dirt road has
stolen anything from anybody.  Are you being denied a access to drive over this
new pavement?  Is there a gate preventing access to all except the condo owners?  
Or is it you just prefer dirt roads to paved roads?  Please explain how anything
was stolen by paving a dirt road.  I guess I gotta take a walk down that dead
end to see for myself want all the hub bub is about. I'll keep my perambulations
to the paved areas only.  I hope someone doesn't come out and shout me off of
the public road.
12:36 pm edt 

I Live on Bangs and I am Not Happy

I disagree with what was done. I was opposed then and I remain opposed now. We
lost what we should not have lost. It was our road, our dirt road and it
belonged to us. It has been taken, stolen, from us. and now they look to do even
more damage and cut into the land for another road.

I am not happy so don't speak for me or for others when you say we are all happy
on Bangs Street.

You are probably part of the condo group that took over the road!
11:13 am edt 

Re: Tax Exemptions

I think a point is being missed in the post. This is a residential exemption
being explored and has nothing to do with commercial property. It doesn't matter
if a guest house owner or anyone else lives in the property if its primary use
and zoning is commercial. Also there will be a phase-out point based on a lot of
factors over which the exemption starts to disappear (currently somewhere in the
800k to 900k range I think is what's being discussed).

Also the people involved are looking to see what other towns have already done
with rental property to see if there's anyway to extend the exemption for those
people renting out on a full-time, year-round basis. This could be a tool to
make it more attractive not to rent only during the summer season.

So why don't we all wait to see what the results of everyone's work is first
before we start tearing things apart or asking questions that have nothing to do
with the actual process. The goals here are pretty clear: give people more
reasons to live/rent here full-time to help stabilize the town year-round, and
to defray the cost of having to keep the town so fully staffed for the influx of
the summer residents.
10:35 am edt 

Cape Cod Times - August 11, 2014

In the Cape Cod Times today, the position of Planning and Economic
Director in Sandwich has been refilled, at a $70,000 to $80,000 range.
10:33 am edt 

Re: Planning

Does anyone know how the local comprehensive plan is coming along? Maybe the
time has come to regionalize with our neighbors (Truro) and have only one
Planner for the two towns as well as other merges.
10:31 am edt 

News Suppression Indeed

There have been heroin deaths in town!  why are we not talking about that! you
people piss and moan about things like who blacktopped a few feet of road while
people are dieing from a problem we dont want to talk about.
I am pretty sure that two local young people have died here in town in the last
six months from ovrdoses,and yet we dont acknowledge this problem, which is
something we can DO something about!! wake up old timers and get with it!
10:29 am edt 

Sunday, August 10, 2014

Town Planner Making a Mess

Just watch the meetings. Do you know how many cases were held without the
abutters being notified when the law requires the be notified and the meetings
took place anyway. Let's hope we don't get sued over any of them.
11:52 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street

Now you have it straight from the horses mouth.  The neighbors who actually live
on the street are happy with the way things are so why don't you MYOB.  Maybe
you can find another pot to stir.  You have no power on Bangs street.  Now leave
them alone before someone drops a house on you too!
11:08 pm edt 

News Supression?

This question is based upon my belief that, for years, any "bad" or
"negative news" about Provincetown has been suppressed due to an unwritten
agreement between the Town and the Press.(e.g.I've seen nothing about the man
whose throat was cut on Upper Miller Hill Road regarding who did it and the
condition of the victim).  Given that, and the sudden focus on the Heroin
problem that plagues the Cape, is there any truth to the statements that I have
heard that there have been at least 3 unpublished deaths, drug related,
recently?
11:06 pm edt 

So Right; so Astute

Shouldn't the town Planner be planning? shouldn't she be engaged with the
Planning Board to ---plan for the future and plan long-term for Provincetown and
where we should be and where we should be going?>

She was not hired to sit at meetings, write decisions, pontificate on rules, and
hand out client cases.

She is in the weeds--and someone should extricate her from the details. she was
hired, so I believe, to look ahead and help the town face its future in the best
possible way.
11:04 pm edt 

Bangs Street Common Road Should be Just That

For and by the people. It was a dirt road that had been there for fifty years.
It was there on town maps. and then one day--it disappeared--paved over by the
developers and edged in flowers and bushes to show all that this is theirs. but
it is not theirs. it remains ours--all of us in Provincetown and especially
those who walk and walked this road for so many years.

Take over town dirt roads? No, this is wrong and more than that--it is illegal.

No one has the legal right--and she is a lawyer--to take over town land and town
roads. the deed does not simply go to someone who paced the collectively owned
road.

It remains a town owned and a people owned road.
11:01 pm edt 

Re: Wasting Big Tax Dollars

Please fincom make a budget recommendation that eliminates the finance
director, asst. towm manager, lieutenant, asst. dpw director, town planner,
superintendent of schools (the principal can do both jobs OR can report to truro
super)...it's insane that Sharon Lynn was allowed to grow the bureaucracy like
this and i'll bet you the million bucks it would save that nobody would ever
notice any drop in service due to these job cuts.
10:58 pm edt 

To : Dan Hoort

Oh Dan Hoort, we all know it is you when you talk about fincom being
out of it's authority and when you say "mike" or mr. canizales...please get a
life
10:56 pm edt 

Re: Town Planner

"This Town Planner is making a mess,"



Really?  And how so?  But you will never tell us will you?  It is all a personal
attack from the comfort of anonymity.  Scummy rumor monger.
10:55 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Road Paving

No, Wrong...There was no confusion on who owned the land. It was common dirt
road that the community used for years and years.

No you're completely wrong. I'm one of the neighbors that hired the lawyers so
I'm WELL aware of what the issues actually are. No one cares if the paper street
was paved, it doesn't matter. It also doesn't matter who used it for years, it's
unclear in the property records who owns the land, which is why we were
considering going to land court to hold up everything if Bangs was going to be
made a through way. Furthermore, the association that now owns the paved part
didn't want to spend any money on the lawyers that the other neighbors did, so
they're well aware of the actual boundaries and have chosen not to fight
anything. So as it stands there is an agreement on the table about what is going
to happen and everyone involved is happy. Except, it seems, people here who
aren't actually affected by anything but feel the need to disagree with the
people who are involved. Jeez.
10:53 pm edt 

Re: Town Planner

Who is the Town Planner ?. Who is she dating and when was she hired..
10:51 pm edt 

Re: Town Planner

Not sure about the town planner, but do know we were told at town
meeting that the permit coordinator would not be filled when Maxine left.  But,
the current town planner demanded she have an assistant so the permit
coordinator position was funded and filled.
10:49 pm edt 

Tax Exemptions

As the issue of tax exemptions for year round residents and
businesses is being further pursued, there will be many issues which will be
brought up for consideration during public review such as the following (please
add if you have additional examples):

(1) If an owner operates his/her guest house on a seasonal license but lives on
premises year round (and legitimately claims on tax returns that portion of
space occupied as primary residence as a personal deduction), will the guest
house owner be eligible for exemptions, if any?

(2) If a year round homeowner rents out his/her home during the summer (could be
weekly or up to 4 months on seasonal basis) as the only viable economic means to
maintain ownership of the house and also works a full time or seasonal job, will
the homeowner qualify for an exemption? Assume that the property has a rental
certificate from the town. Many properties which are rented do not. Who will
enforce this exemption?

(3) There are very few year round businesses in town operating a full 12 months
(with some licenses state statute allows year round businesses to close for
period of time). Will the definition of a year round business be limited to only
such license holders or those who operate for instance from April 1 through
November 30 or Januray 1?
10:48 pm edt 

Challenge to New B O S.

Enforce stipulations put on laudramat on
Shank Painter Road. Ie clean, public restroom and staffed in exchange for sewer
that was put in.  Lets see if they Can do this simple little thing.
10:43 pm edt 

Re: Wasting Big Tax Dollars

"Perhaps it's time to revisit positions for the next town meeting. A
town position can be eliminated on town hall floor and that's what we should be
looking to do to start cutting down on our taxes. Upper government is getting
way too heavy for what is being produced."



Over and over people post stuff like this, and over and over other ask for
details.  But, none are EVER provided.  WHY?

If all you want is to have lower taxes, move to the south and you'll have lower
taxes and far less services.  Cut all employees and that will really reduces
taxes.
10:40 pm edt 

About Bangs St. Ext.

To the poster who wrote: 
"I think improving and maintaining town land for the general public is great"

That is just the problem. It wasn't done for the general public. It was done for
private use. And it was wrong and should never have happened.
9:09 pm edt 

Re: Town Planner

"proof that the library trustees are insane..."


How about proof that you are insane? Your never ending posts undermining the
trustees and director are tired. And crazy. The new director hasn't even started
work and you're already undermining him or her.  What are you afraid of?
That you're not irreplaceable?
That your advances will be rejected again?
That maybe, just maybe, you need to think about something else?

Go bother the Truro library for awhile. We're tired of your rants.
5:45 pm edt 

Town Planner

I am not sure who hired her, recruited her, or encouraged her, but she
has to go! The Town Planner does not fit or qualify for this position in our
Town, and it is completely unprofessional and dishonest to have the Town Planner
dating a selectman. Isn't there some rule against that? Or this selectman should
be recusing himself from anything his lover is involved in! This Town Planner is
making a mess, let's cut our loses, admit we hired the wrong person, and make
this right. Town Meeting should be interesting.
5:43 pm edt 

Invest

So how much money was spent to send a detective to all creation for a  10 year
old case with no probable cause ?
5:41 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

Proof that the Library Trustees are insane:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results.

Why oh why are you going through the same horrendous process that you went
through to hire the last two library directors?  They were both terrible
choices, bad mistakes.  So good luck on your predictable hunt for another
horrible library director.
10:55 am edt 

Cape Cod Times - Arson Trial

I just read the story in the cape cod times regarding the Arson
arrest. The quote by Acting Chief Golden says it all:

"our department worked  diligently to develop probable cause and to make an arrest in
these matters".


So let me get this straight, the investigator under the watchful eye of the acting
chief simply forced a round peg into a square hole! The court found NO probable
cause, not one count. I find it very disturbing that they created their own
wishful probable cause and arrested a man who was subjected to all of this for
nothing. Have things really changed?

I think not.
10:53 am edt 

Re: Hilarious

I do not see the irony of the posts. One objects to someone improving
town property in order to lay claim to it like many have done all over town. (I
think improving and maintaining town land for the general public is great). The
other is questioning the town improving private property when that should be
done by the owners themselves. This is generally not done across the board for
all that live on private roads.
10:48 am edt 

Re: Is the Town Planner Planning

Kudos to whomever submitted this post. The town planner was hired to do future
planning for our town. Our local comprehensive plan is well outdated that is
something she should be working on. Anyone know how that's coming along? Haven't
read anywhere in the banner that the town planner and planning broad is working
on it?

When we voted this position at town meeting several of us were of the
understanding the town planner would have a different role from what she is now
doing. With this being said, why do we need a town planner and a permit
coordinator if the town planner is going to do the permit coordinator job.

Perhaps it's time to revisit positions for the next town meeting. A town
position can be eliminated on town hall floor and that's what we should be
looking to do to start cutting down on our taxes. Upper government is getting
way too heavy for what is being produced.
10:45 am edt 

Saturday, August 9, 2014

Is the Town Planner Planning?

Is the town Planner Planning? Is she creating a Long-term Plan for
Provincetown?

Seems not. Seems she is in the nitty gritty of boards and rules and is digging
deeper instead of flying higher and presenting a wider view, an aerial view of
where the Provincetown is going and where it should be going.

She does not need to rule on permits, have meetings after meetings with
applicants and fail to provide all of us with a future view of this town. She
was hired as a Town Planner not Permit Coordinator II!
10:54 pm edt 

Re: Hilarious

You missed the point. The post wasn't criticizing for being anonymous.  ThePost
was pointing out the irony of the posts Complaining on the One hand that the
town was paving private roads and then Complaining on the other hand that
Private developers Paved a town road. Imagine complaining because someone Paved
and landscaped a town road. Why the nerve of some people trying to improve their
street at their own expense.  There ought to be a law against it.  If this is
allowed to continue, what's next? People might start sweeping the sidewalk in
front of their property.  where will it all end?  Next thing you know little old
ladies will be helped crossing the street!  We must nip this in the bud.
10:51 pm edt 

Not Appropriate to Post Such Nonsense

I find it deplorable that mocking comments about a town employee are
allowed to be posted here.  Specifically the post about the body language of the
town planner and calling her names (Dorothy) is out of line.  Whether you like a
town employee or not it is not appropriate to post such nonsense on this
website.  I respectfully request the webmaster to stop posting derogatory
comments about town employees.  Such comments do nothing positive for the
running of town government.
10:49 pm edt 

About Bangs St. Ext.

"No  Wrong":

You hit the nail on the head.  You are 100% right.  You know the history of this
spot. While it looks otherwise now, this private way does NOT belong to this
development. Never has, never will.  How the development was allowed to pave and
landscape land that it didn't own is mind boggling.
10:32 pm edt 

Re: How do I proceed

t's not uncommon for a small private business to just use a cash drawer or use
a small unsophisticated register basically as a cash drawer; in that case "NO
SALE" is the easiest button to pop the drawer open. I'd say chill out and mind
your own business but if you feel obliged to mention it to the owner, go for it.
Your concerns are likely unwarranted.
8:24 pm edt 

Wasting Big Tax Dollars

"I hope that the Fincom will look at positions that are not needed and
wasting Town Treasure. Town Planner, Asst. Town Manager, Assistant DPW, Police
Seargeant, Lieutenant and Detective, and other positions that cost us money but
yield nothing but confusion and unnecessary expense."



Ok, here come more BS piled on more BS.  Tell us what are the functions of these
positions that are a waste. How does having a police detective lead to
confusion?  Do you have any idea of what these people do for the town?  Do you
know there job descriptions?  Do you know them?  Have you ever asked them about
their jobs?  Of course you have never because that would clear up your most
valued attribute, total ignorance.

More idiocy about the FinCom duties.  FinCom can look all they want but thank
god they have no power to meddle. Check out the silly stuff in the banner about
delving into the tax structure.  Totally out of the scope of the FinCom
according to our town charter, which is our ultimate law.
3:46 pm edt 

Town Clean Up

Definitely do not need a Lieutenant..  The town has been without one for months
and it is flowing fine...  Save money
3:45 pm edt 

Re: I hope That the Fincom Looks at Positions That Are Not Needed

"I hope that the Fincom will look at positions that are not needed
andwasting Town Treasure. Town Planner, Asst. Town Manager, Assistant DPW, Police
Sergeant, Lieutenant and Detective, and other positions that cost us money but
yield nothing but confusion and unnecessary expense."



My guess is that neither you nor anyone on the FinCom has any idea what these
positions do during the course of the day.  That's why you hire a town manager. 
And less you forget, the town planner position was pushed by Mr. Donegan and Mr.
Canizales and it was Mr Canizales who insisted the starting salary be increased
by $7,000.
3:44 pm edt 

The Problem With Community Development

The problem is that there is no history, no collective experience, no solid knowledge of
what used to be done and how it should be done. Darlene Van Alstyne handled
licensing and was there for quite awhile. Darlene Flores handled plumbing and
electrical permits and was excellent. Maxine Notaro was the Permit Coordinator
and knew so much and was friendly and efficient and so honest. they are all gone
and replaced with people with little experience in Provincetown permitting and
zoning and by-laws and there is no experienced Building Commissioner to lead the
group with little experience. So we have a problem with community development
and no solution to fixing the problem unless someone who knows how business
should be done and how permits should be handled and how town regulations should
be interpreted is brought in.

Lose the collective history--and it is not passed down--and you have too much
incompetence. add a little dash of arrogance and you have our present dilemma.
3:41 pm edt 

As to Mark Juarie

Look to your own behavior. You should talk? Please!
3:37 pm edt 

Re: Bangs Street Road Paving

No, Wrong
 
The issues with the take over of the common path that was Bangs Street
Extension and was a common road has nothing to do with the future attempt of
Malone to cut through the land and connect this small road to Howland. It is
wrong that Mencher paved over land that was not hers. It is wrong that people
buying condos believe the paved roads to their homes is theirs. It is not. that
land was usurped and is not theirs. You could have anyone park along this land.
It does not belong to the condos built there.


There was no confusion on who owned the land. It was common dirt road that the
community used for years and years. It did not and does not belong to these
condos even though they have paved them and landscaped it as if it is theirs. it
is not. the town maps showed this extension as common land but some at town hall
closed their eyes, covered their ears and looked away. this does not make this
right nor legal.
3:34 pm edt 

Re: Hilarious

I find it funny that someone criticized posts for being
anonymous with an anonymous post.
3:32 pm edt 

Re: I Write to Respond to the Post Entitled:

I want to respond to the postt entitled by Mark Juaire

You are correct in some of what you write about supporting employees providing
the employees are polite and helpful but that is not the case here is some town
positions.  Some personnel are full of their own egos to the point they even try
to take control of other department heads they have no business getting into.
Take the town planner for example, she  does not and should not be getting into
fire department business. If the fire cheif makes a call then it's his call
based on public safety. he knows his job very well, as he has been doing it for
many, many years.  Is the town planner a paramedic, EMT and fire fighter too
that she can make decisions in public safety. Sounds to me that some town
employees should first learn to respect their fellow department heads and get
rid of their own egos thinking they know it all.
3:28 pm edt 

Wasting Big Tax Dollars

I hope that the Fincom will look at positions that are not needed and
wasting Town Treasure. Town Planner, Asst. Town Manager, Assistant DPW, Police
Seargeant, Lieutenant and Detective, and other positions that cost us money but
yield nothing but confusion and unnecessary expense.

If the citizens are expected to do with less than the town has to do the same
and set the example.

We are wasting big tax dollars on positions that just create more work, more
jobs and do not bring anything back to the operation of the town, other than to
make more expense.

The perfect example of this waste is the Town Planner. She is universally
disliked and disruptive, has the bad judgement to date a selectman, and the
selectman has the poor judgement                          . Not at all
professional and obviously not productive. Let's get our heads out of our
butts....clean up Town Hall, our senior employees are making a farce of town
politics and governing.
11:06 am edt 

Bangs Street Road Paving

Here is the deal: the road (on paper) bends to the right before you hit the
shells of the private property at the dead end, and is actually masked by the
new development. It runs along where the trash is at the private property back
to the land behind it that abuts Willow. That street extension is disputed
because the land records are messed up and if the town thinks it has a valid
claim they can go to land court to stop anyone from using it. But the boundaries
are conflicting in documents so it's unclear where the abutting private property
is and where the street is (not unusual in old plans or paper streets and rights
of way). The developer wanted to take the street all the way back to Willow,
which the neighbors stopped, preventing Bangs from becoming a through street.
There are currently plans from the developer only making it a drive to planned
property instead of a through street, which is what all the abutters want. It
would help if you actually knew what was happenin!
g before you commented because it's not helping and most of you are wrong about
the specifics. The actual reason this is all even being discussed is that no one
on that end of Bangs wants it to become a through street, so the confusing land
records are a way to prevent that from happening.
10:09 am edt 

Re: Town Planner

Some of us voters at Town Meeting tried to convince the voters that a
Town Planner was not needed now that it's too late! That position was needed
years ago ! There's no land left now to plan that hasn't already been developed!
The woman that's in the position now thinks her position is to manage and advise
the Regulatory & other Key Boards as to how they must function! Her only role is
in longe range planning which she hasn't started to do yet! The position was
voted by Town Meeting vote and needs to be removed by the same method,perhaps in
Fall Town Meeting to give her a chance to apply elsewhere! She seems to create
tension with key dept. heads here,ie: Fire chief, Police and other Boards &
Public so perhaps it was the wrong hire for a position the town doesn't need now
anyway!! Her partner is a selectman I just learned, but the Town shouldn't let
that be a deterrent if the position or performance isn't in the best interest of
Provincetown!
10:07 am edt 

Re: Listen Up Tenants

Landlord has to promise year round rental housing for ten years.

I rather leave it empty then rent it!
10:03 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

Re "the library board president already cost the town $65000 when she
was caught on tape..."



What proof do you have?  Do you KNOW (and I mean know in the sense that it is
true, not that it is some vague rumor being spread) that
A. The library director received $65000?  If so, please let us know where in the
town finances we can find that
B. That the board president said anything out of line?  If so, please cite your
source.
C. That the exchange was caught on tape?

I think you don't KNOW anything, and that you are like a dog with a bone about
the library, unable to let it go. If you "love" it so much move here from Truro
and get back on the board. I'm sure everything will be perfect when you're in
charge.
Until then, just let it go. These constant attacks on any board member who is
not you do no good.
10:02 am edt 

Town Planner & Permit Coordinator Problem

Can someone Post the Link to the Zoning Board Meeting and the Historic
District Commission Meeting?

where Gloria McPherson seemed to attack or argue with members of these two
regulatory boards?

I'd love to see the actual interactions.

Both of the boards/commissions are regulatory. And their power rests with the
board/commission and not with staff--and Gloria McPherson and the new permit
coordinator are just that--staff. they do not have power or authority over these
boards. They are there to re cord decision---not make them nor sway any decision
about any case.

She is staff. He is staff and the power rests singularly and solely with each
board: the Zoning Board and the Historic district commission. They--each and
every member--have the power to rule and the power to decide. Not the town
planner nor the permit coordinator.

What is wrong here? what is happening in Community Development? something's
amiss.
10:00 am edt 

Heroin Problem

The Banner headline was important!!
talk about problems we dont want to talk about!!

I think 3 or 4 local youths have died this year from heroin overdoses!!  wake up
Provincetown!  We have way bigger problems than who is running the public
library!! our kids are dieing and we dont want to talk about it!!
This really is our future!!!
9:57 am edt 

I Write to Respond to the Post Entitled:

"And There is One More Clown That Remains".....  (and many other postings of a
similar nature)

I find it totally inappropriate, appalling actually, that the blog master of
mypacc, as a member of the Finance Committee, allows postings of a negative and
denigrating content directed at ANY town employee, managers included.  Working
in government is tough enough, and we should ALL be supporting the staff that is
vetted and hired, to do their best and to be their best.  We should work to make
Town government a great place to work, not a place full of attack and negativity
and low morale.  All citizens should have respect for the staff that we all pay
to serve the Town, to the best of their ability.  This is ESPECIALLY important
for members of committees and commissions.

Personnel issues of any nature, including performance (perceived, debated,
scrutinized) has no place in Social Media.  Personnel issues should be treated
with confidence and dignity.  This is important to becoming an employer that
qualified and great people will want to serve.  Possibly such an atmosphere
would have attracted more Town Manager applicants.

Submitted By:  Mark Juaire
9:56 am edt 

Friday, August 8, 2014

Re: DPW Precedent

So a developer paid to improve a town owned road with blacktop which
leads to their property which they have a right to access from the town owned
road and there is a problem with this?

And since it was done in conjuction with haveing a building permit to construct
those homes I would have to assume they did it with permission from the town.

And what other benifits besides access do you think these home owners have from
this improvment?

A Rat In The Basement
11:04 pm edt 

Re: DPW Precedent - Bang Street

"This is egregious and it is illegal. You just cannot take over town
roads and treat them as if they now belong to you and your development!
but that is what this group of developers did--the Mencher group."


More egregious is your continuous barrage of accusations with no proof at all. 
Contact the AG not an anonymous blog.
10:59 pm edt 

Re; Provincetown Public Library

"Why is the library search committee allowing the president of the
board to participate.  She cost the town $65000 in settlement charges with the
last director when she was caught in tape saying outrageous stuff.

Why did the library search committee only interview 2 candidates?"



Same old, same old.  Spreading hate and innuendo.  Asking open ended questions,
and not expecting answers.  Just trying to poison people.

10:57 pm edt 

Re: DPW Precedent

Its not even a private road. Its private property with an easment.Look
at the town cadastral maps.
10:51 pm edt 

This is Hilarious

You have one poster ranting about the town paving
a private road and another ranting about a developer paving a town road.  Does
one rant cancel out the other?  Are the rants from the same poster taking
opposite positions?  It's hard to tell with anonymous posts.
10:49 pm edt 

Town Planner's Body Language

When she appeared before the BOS on July 28, watch Dorothy's (I'm sorry, I meant
Gloria's) body movement.

All that's missing is Toto.

10:43 pm edt 

We do Not Need a Town Planner

...and never needed one. Seriously, for a
town so small we have way to many people trying to be in charge. Now is the time
to rethink the size of our local government. No town planner, no financial
director, no assistant town manager and no superintendent and/or principal for
such a small school. We have more boards than we can fill positions on and a BOS
and FINCOM that loves to micromanage. Enough already.
10:41 pm edt 

New Position

Heard a new position was created called energy auditor. I don't remember seeing
that position on the warrant when I voted for administration. How does this
happen and exactly what does this person do?
12:01 am edt 

Thursday, August 7, 2014

Town Planner on Camera

So why is the town manager not reigning her in? Just because she                      
           does not give her carte blanche to do as she pleases. She works for
us taxpayers. Maybe it's time to look for another Town Planner.
11:59 pm edt 

Re: Listen Up Tenants

"The rent is going to go up to cover the costs forced on us by the
town and the Finance committee."


What is the source of the fiction about the power of the FinCoM.  It cannot, BY
LAW, force costs of any sort on anyone.
11:54 pm edt 

Re: DPW Precedent

DPW paved the private street because its condition was deplorable.
That said any private street in lousy condition should be afforded the same. I
am surprised the fin com isn't weighing in on this.
11:51 pm edt 

What Was Once Overgrown at the End of Bangs is Now Blacktopped

but it's the town road and not the development's. the land at the end to the right
with black top---was a town owned and community path that the developer just
blacktopped and it looks as if--it belongs to the development. It was usurped
and now appears to be part of the development and even the road taken was
landscaped to look as if it is theirs!  It is not!

this is egregious and it is illegal. You just cannot take over town roads and
treat them as if they now belong to you and your development!

but that is what this group of developers did--the Mencher group.
11:49 pm edt 

Re: DPW Precedent

What paving are you referring to?  The only new paving behind Victor's
new development is on Bayberry right where West Vine ends.  This street has been
maintained by the town for years including snow plowing and street sweeping.  It
does not appear to be a private road.
10:06 pm edt 

Provincetown Public Library

Why is the library search committee allowing the president of the
board to participate.  She cost the town $65000 in settlement charges with the
last director when she was caught in tape saying outrageous stuff.

Why did the library search committee only interview 2 candidates?
10:04 pm edt 

And There is One More Clown That Remains

Call it Hoortism. Call it                    . call it                 . One more
remains and one more must go. How about Rehohbeth land where the circus
continues?
4:44 pm edt 

Restrictions on Property

Several other elements of a community housing priority were also identified,
including a bylaw revision that would have accessory units in the Res 1 zone
guaranteed as year round rental housing for at least 10 years, the potential
creation of a community housing investment fund, and a goal of developing a plan
that would allow the town to achieve the states goal of 10 percent of the towns
housing stock as affordable in the next three years.

A landlord has to promise year round rental housing for ten years. Good luck
trying to sell your house during that ten years.

Who wants to buy a property with restrictions?
4:42 pm edt 

Listen Up Tenants

In your upcoming lease there will be a clause that any changes in the tax rate
that causes my taxes to go up will be added to your rent--no matter when it
happens.

If you don't like it..then move. I refuse to pay any more in taxes. I have to
pay the town money every 3 years and then they come and inspect every three
years.

The rent is going to go up to cover the costs forced on us by the town and the
Finance committee.
4:40 pm edt 

Re: DPW Precedent

Why would the town pay to pave private property?  Did you ask the DPW
that question?  We would like to know.
4:37 pm edt 

Town Planner - On Camera

Last week the Town Planner got into a shouting match over her job
performance with a member of the ZBA (on camera).  Yesterday she got "into it"
over her job performance with a member of HDC (on camera).  These meetings are
starting to look like "The Real Housewives of Provincetown"!
4:35 pm edt 

Bang Street Road Paving

When I go down to the end of Bangs Street it is very clear to me what
is the road and what is private property. Bangs Street takes a turn to the right
before dead ending at the overgrown area. All of the road proper has blacktop.
Then just to the right of the blacktop is a very clearly defined strip of grey
paving stones. Then to the right of that are the driveways for the new
development. If its blacktop its the road if its not its not the road. And I
have never personaly seen anyone parking on that area of the road. And if they
did they could get a ticket for blocking a driveway and they run the risk of
being towed if a homeowner was unable to pass. Is there a differant problem
here?

A Rat In The Basement
1:00 pm edt 

Wednesday, August 6, 2014

Town Planner vs Fire Chief

Is it true the new town planner got into a heated argument with our 
Fire Chief of manny years. What the hell does she know about this town.
11:02 pm edt 

Re: Rat's Barking Dog

The dog barking incident with the police happened once. No other
complaints ever that I know of. Your going to make my head swell suggesting I am
a prominent member of society.

A Rat In The Basement
11:00 pm edt 

Re: DPW Precedent

Ask the DPW about paving. They do not own paving machines but they
hire companies to do it at the town's expense. I am not wrong about this private
road issue. Ask the DPW and they will confirm what they did (authorized) behind
the new Victor's project
10:58 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting

"The BOS (call in the clowns..."


Funny, I consider the. Loans the group that got us into the legal mess thst
will. Out us taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.  You know, the ones
that hired ex-cop Sharon, who then hired Jaran...  Yes...they were the clowns
indeed.  What a circus they brought - David, Austin, Elaine...a veritable circus
indeed.
10:55 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

"Jaran is gone and before a new one is even interviewed, we must hire
with the knowledge and decision that this is what has been decided."



And exactly who is competent to make that decision regarding regionalization?
The BOS (call in the clowns, with the exception of CA), the temporary police
chief (nice guy but...) The interim town manager (who's applied for a job in
Truro) FINCOM (who is influencing town politics way beyond their true scope)

Face it, Provincetown is without strong leadership, or leadership with the
proper authority and clarity needed to make decisions for the long term. They've
been chased away or chose to leave. I look forward to a new and skilled
administration, and hope the town can respect the incoming leadership. We need
it, we're essentially rudderless.
3:34 pm edt 

Re: FinCom Meeting

"After watching the fincom meeting, could someone please tell me the
last time a citizen was pulled over and had their parking sticker ripped off
thier windshield by the police?"


We have all heard of heavy handed stuff by the parking people but not the cops. 
They could care less about parking and stickers.

I'm sure that it never happened.  Any formal complaint filed?  Ever hear about
illegal search and seizure?   More silly stuff that some think makes their
political viewpoint valid.
3:32 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

"It goes like this... There was an emergency not to long ago at Peaked
Hill...  Several calls went into the emergency dispatch elsewhere...  At no
fault of anyone, that center ended up calling Provincetown and said, " there is
an emergency at Peaked Hill"?  But, low and behold, the  Provincetown Police
Dispatch knowing where it was already had someone under way long before the call
was transferred..  Lets not be so quick to criticize.."



What?  Did the call go to PT or somewhere else?  If somewhere else, how?  How
did PT PD hear about it to send help before the other notification?  If all
calls went to same place then there would NO confusion.
not to be too picky but,

it is "lo and behold" not "low".
3:28 pm edt 

Re: DPW Precedent

Contractors that do work for the town do work for other private people in the
town too you know. What makes you think the town paved the road? I don't know of
any paving machines owned by the town. Give us proof.
3:26 pm edt 

FinCom Meeting

After watching the fincom meeting, could someone please tell me the
last time a citizen was pulled over and had their parking sticker ripped off
thier windshield by the police?  After all we want all to be treated the same.
Talk about irony, preface your statements into public record by complaining
about politically motivated attacks by others then go on a politically motivated
rant yourself.
9:34 am edt 

Re: Rat's Barking Dog

Hey Rat,

Cool story, bro, but it's not making a whole lot of sense to me.  You're
interpreting it a certain way to support your opinion and I understand that, but
is your dog barking a chronic problem that everyone knows about?  Or do you
really want me to believe that a report came in about a barking dog and the
dispatcher thought, "Hey, this person I don't know  at all who's name is Rat and
who owns a dog lives in that part of town.  Maybe instead of dispatching police
to deal with the complaint (aka doing my actual job), I should take it upon
myself to call this Rat (who I still don't know at all) and ask them if it's
their dog barking (as opposed to any other random dog that might be barking in
that neighborhood."  Either you're getting special treatment for some reason
(i.e. your prominence in the community) or there's something else missing from
this version of the story.
9:32 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

It goes like this... There was an emergency not to long ago at Peaked
Hill...  Several calls went into the emergency dispatch elsewhere...  At no
fault of anyone, that center ended up calling Provincetown and said, " there is
an emergency at Peaked Hill"?  But, low and behold, the Provincetown Police
Dispatch knowing where it was already had someone under way long before the call
was transferred..  Lets not be so quick to criticize..

Look at the whole picture it may be different than you think...
9:29 am edt 

Re: DPW Precedent

NO, The private road had no sewer work at all. This is a fact I should
have pointed out in my original post. It was in bad shape just like many private
roads. Please ask DPW if you want to verify.
9:26 am edt 

Re: How do I Proceed?

I am shocked to learn here on MYPACC that not everyone in the world is
honest.  The revelation that a store clerk could be stealing from his employer
or the employer and the employee could be cahoots with the goal of bearing less
than their required share of the tax burden is beyond shocking.

Citizens beware there are cheats among us!!
9:25 am edt 

Re: DPW Precedent

If the town actually did pay to pave a private driveway there is
something wrong going on.  The cost to pave a driveway is fairly high.  I have
doubts that the town paid to improve a privately owned property.  Who in town
government told you that the town paid for this paving?
9:22 am edt 

Sometimes Private Citizens Pave Over Town Owned Roads...

...and then act as if it is theirs. Just look at the end of Bangs Street. That was
and still remains a private town owned once dirt road that the developers of
Bang Street simply took over by paving it and then decorating the sides--as
if--it was theirs! It is not. Now people drive to their condos over this land
that looks as if it is part of the Mencher developed condos. but paving someone
else's road does not make it yours.

Town officials know this is illegal but they look away. How wrong is this?  and
maybe there is a reason why they do look away. Inquiring minds know why!
9:20 am edt 

Tuesday, August 5, 2014

Re: DPW Precedent

They paved paradise to put up a parking lot.  So surprising? Are you
serious?  What about Bangs St. Ext. So sad. Swallowed by greed.
9:21 pm edt 

Re: Rat's Barking Dog

I'm not a friend of any police dispatcher. Never have been. Dont know
the man who called me that night. He just happened to know who I was and that I
have a dog. Im sure he just knows me because of my presence in the community.
Which goes right to my point.

A Rat In The Basement
9:19 pm edt 

Re: DPW Precedent

Did the Town pave that road because it was torn up during sewer
instalation? The deal is they restore any road to its previous condition. They
rebuilt mine when it was done last year.

A Rat In The Basement
9:17 pm edt 

DPW Precedent

I think the town just set a new precedent by paving a private road in
the west end behind the new development being built by Victor.
8:16 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

"Even if it costs more I want Provincetown to remain a separate entity
to the greatest extent possible."



My guess is that most would agree. However, What is the "greatest extent
possible" and how do we evaluate varous possibilities.  Local government--yes. 
Regionalized police dispatch with a large degree of local control -yes. 
Regionalized fire an ambulance service.  yes.  Regionalized municipal insurance
-yes.  Semi (cooperative) regionalized DPW - worth a serious look.  Regionalized
water and sewer _ yes, but lower cape only.

If the region were limited to the lower cape (PT, Truro, Wellfleet and
Eastham)svings and control would be much more possible than going to the whole
Cape.
8:14 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization - Police Dispatch

If you think this is going to save money, you're wrong. They've tried this in
other parts of the state and it costs each member community big bucks. If the
FINCOM hasn't run the numbers for the next ten years comparing costs, we
shouldn't pull the trigger to join. Keep in mind, the facility has to be built
and maintained, not just staffed, on the taxpayers dime. And as all county and
state agencies go, it will only get bigger and bigger and bigger and who do you
think pays for it? Taxpayers with little or no voice in the matter.

Get real numbers first.
8:11 pm edt 

Re: How do I Proceed?

NO SALE--RUNG UP ON CASH REGISTER

I worked in shops and hotels in town for about 20 years-retired now-\Owners
often do not report cash sales . This gives them cash to pay employees under the
table. I was shocked when I first started working in town but soon discovered it
was common practice.
8:09 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization - Non Sequitor

"Now comes the wanting to regionalize dispatch, first step.

To all us taxpayers brace yourselves because next comes.............
Step two: full time fire department - big bucks there."


And step three must be how you connect steps one and two.  I can't see it so you'll
have to explain that non-sequitor.
8:07 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

Even if it costs more I want Provincetown to remain a separate entity
to the greatest extent possible.  I am not wealthy.  I may have to personally do
without in other areas of my life in order to pay my taxes that afford me the
Provincetown I want to live in.  I am only one vote, but it is how I feel.
1:32 pm edt 

Re: Rat's Barking Dog

This might shock you, but I'm not actually in support of you getting special
treatment from the police, just because you happen to be friends with one of the
local dispatchers.  This favoritism is a big part of the real problem here in
Provincetown, no matter which faction you're attached to.
12:02 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization - Police Dispatch

I was thinking that now is the time for discussions on the police
dispatch because there is no Police chief involved in the discussion. If we do
it now, we won't have the interference from a new police chief protecting jobs.
Jaran is gone and before a new one is even interviewed, we must hire with the
knowledge and decision that this is what has been decided.
12:00 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization - Dispatch Center

I for one hope to see on the Selectmens upcoming agenda a discussion
and vote on moving towards joining the regional dispatch plan. I agree with many
that it makes the most sense. I hope the Finance Committee gets involved because
at least they make things happen.
11:58 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

Now comes the wanting to regionalize dispatch, first step.

To all us taxpayers brace yourselves because next comes.............
Step two: full time fire department - big bucks there. Some people won't be
satisfied until they completely make our town a place where only the wealthy can
survive. Who will pay for the affordable housing then. Some people think with
the hole they sit on instead of what sits on the hole between their shoulders.
11:20 am edt 

Re: How do I Proceed?

Are you sure it wasn't registering on your side but was registering the amount
on a register tape. If that's not the case and you are suspicious then inform
the store owner what you witnessed. It could also  be the establishment has it
set up that way to stash some cash unreported.
If that's the case then Call the IRS and report it.
11:19 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

Let's hope you don't live on standish way and need rescue and they send
emergency personnel to standish ave, no - wait a minute, standish street, oh
it's standish way. Ok, 4 minutes was just wasted trying to respond to standish
way. Oops! Sorry you didn't make it because they didn't get to you in time.
Think it doesn't happen, we'll, think again because it does. That's what you get
with people who don't know the town.  Ever try calling the state police for an
emergency call by cell phone - takes a while to trace where you are.
11:17 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

When Jaran was Chief I recall us all clamoring that the police force
was way too big. In fact, Jaran had an independent study done and sure enough
police officer staffing was on par. HOWEVER, the study showed the town was short
on dispatcher coverage and needed to hire at least one more person.
Regionalization is the answer! Save on personnel and save on space! Don't forget
the dispatch center that Jaran proposed for his new police station!!! It was
HUGE! We got rid of Jaran - now start saving us some money!!!!
11:15 am edt 

Re: Just Read the Banner Article Re: Encroachment

Who is Waldo?
11:12 am edt 

The PPD Can't Even Find an Address

Please.  The PPD can't even find an address.  I had an insistent
policewoman telling me someone in my house called 911 on a domestic.  I asked
her the address.  She was off by 10.  I pointed to my house numbers.  She didn't
want to leave.  Was convinced she had the right house even though I was home
alone.
11:12 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

"The State Police already answer more than half of the Provincetown's 911 calls
because all calls placed from a cell phone go to the State Police not the town
in which the call is placed."



If you're going to post, use your brain. Yes, the cell calls to 911 go to the
state police but then what? The state cops transfer the call to......

THE PROVINCETOWN DISPATCH!!!"


I'll still ask my old question, who's at the station after 5 o'clock and before
7 am if the officers are out patrolling the town?
11:09 am edt 

Monday, August 4, 2014

Re: Regionalization

The State Police already answer more than half of the Provincetown's 911 calls
because all calls placed from a cell phone go to the State Police not the town
in which the call is placed.

Police dispatch is already regionalized- and every day a greater and greater
percentage of calls go to the state police than to Provincetown Police.

The whole dispatch regionalization drama is over in 5 years or less.
8:59 pm edt 

How do I Proceed?

NO SALE--RUNG UP ON CASH REGISTER

I went to and make two purchases and the register dinged and "no Sale" appeared
on the top of the cash register. I said, "No sale"? and the clerk responded, oh,
I always hit that button by mistake.

So, can't this employee pocket the money I just handed over? Something fishy
here. I can see not saying anything if someoen pours a friend a bigger glass of
wine or something..but this--isn't this stealing from the business?

I'm not a business person--so I'm not sure if I'm correct or not, however if I
am, how do I proceed?
8:58 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

My vote is against regionalized dispatchers.  I say keep the dispatch
function here in Provincetown for our police and fire departments.
8:56 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization - Dispatch

One night last summer about 2 oclock I got a phone call from the PPD
dispatcher. He said that they got a call about a dog barking somewhere in my
neighborhood. He asked me if it was mine. In fact it was. Can someone in Hyannis
do that?

A Rat In The Basement
8:54 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

Dispatch

There are a few towns on the Cape that have signed on with the Sheriff's
Department.  Doing business with the Sheriff is not inexpensive and someone will
have to really review the costs before moving ahead.  It would not mean that we
would not have a person on duty full time in the station.  You need that person
to be available to walk in's.  And Provincetown has a lot of people who walk
into the facility.  If Provincetown wants to regionalize it may want to discuss
these options with Truro and Wellfleet first.
8:53 pm edt 

Re; Theme Weeks

Is anyone here in favor of Family Week continuing in 2015?
8:51 pm edt 

Truro Town Manager

Heard today that David Gardner applied for the Truro Administrator position.  If
this is true, he will be missed in Provincetown.
8:49 pm edt 

Re: Just Read the Banner Article Re: Encroachment

I Believe Billy rogers Is Making a Good Case

and we should take necessary precautions on Phase three. and we need to know the
boundaries and the work should have e been done legally and correctly.

I'm glad he is alerting all of us to this problem. Let's fix it now!
11:56 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

"This is all a joke, right? Every town on the lower cape has their own
dispatchers. from Orleans down to Provincetown. Lets hope you never have to call
911 with only using one dispatcher center that is not familiar with our town and
its streets."


Dispatchers have no need to know every alley and street.  They do not direct the
individual units to a given location.  They supply the address and maybe
additional info that is on the computer system.  With local response teams and
GPS data, you snarky concerns are moot.  We would love to hear your well thought
out arguments that make sense after you have tried a little critical thinking.
11:54 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

Hey Chicken Little....the sky is falling!! Give us a break that the
world will come to an end in Provincetown if we go with a state of the art
regional dispatch center! It is time and the time is now for making this change
as this has been studied. Get your facts straight and realize majority of Cape
Fire Depts are with the Sheriff's Dept already and the move from the state is to
consolidate all police dispatch centers. It's done all over the country
successfully but because it's Provincetown, it can't work? What a joke is
right!! Where is the FinCom chair on this issue? At least they have the courage
to lead unlike this pathetic BOS and Chairman.
11:53 am edt 

Re: No Magna Carta

"True, but the Magna Carta came first in giving individuals freedoms.  So, PT is
up there , but not really the place where freedom was born, nurtured, maybe, but
not born."


The Mayflower Cmpact gave freedoms to a select few, instead of freedom to all.
11:50 am edt 

Sunday, August 3, 2014

Re: Just Read the Banner Article Re: Encroachment

Rogers is both an engineer and a land surveyor. The DPW director is an engineer
only.
Regardless, the actual corner bounds don't mean much other than a physical
monument that shows where the corner actually is. If the pavement encroaches
over the corner, a surveyors nail can be set in the pavement to show the corner.
If the property owner doesn't want the pavement on their property, it can be
removed. If a property owner wants the corner to the hundredth of a foot (within
1/8") then yes, a survey would need to be done. Fact is, if you go out and
locate your corner markers, whether they be a pipe, a concrete post, a nail, a
whale bone (yes, they exist), they're not EXACTLY perfectly accurate. If the
marker is within a couple of inches, nothing changes in your life whether they
were removed by paving or not.

Rogers is just looking for a new cushy job to take him through the winter.
Anyone can do it. If it's going to be done, price it out. You don't have to live
in Ptown to understand how to survey it. And I'm very happy that the DPW
director knows all about Rogers from the inside.
11:37 pm edt 

Just Read the Banner Article Re: Encroachment

If people thought the town had the guts to reclaim town land that so
many have usurped as their own and built on or paved over on no one would ever
complain about the town accidentally paving a few inches on "their property". Mr
Rogers, in my opinion, is creating his own expanded business
11:35 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization!

This is all a joke, right? Every town on the lower cape has their own
dispatchers. from Orleans down to Provincetown. Lets hope you never have to call
911 with only using one dispatcher center that is not familiar with our town and
its streets. Time is of the essence in emergency situations and every second
counts. There are some people with severe medical conditions and Its important
these medical personnel know the town and its environment.  These people who are
sayng they want to save money by regionalizing will be the first to sue if they
required medical attention and it took longer because tthe dispatcher center
couldn't find their house right away..
11:33 pm edt 

Re: No Magna Carta

But the Mayflower Compact was (signed in Provincetown) !!!'

True, but the Magna Carta came first in giving individuals freedoms.  So, PT is
up there , but not really the place where freedom was born, nurtured, maybe, but
not born.
5:55 pm edt 

Just Read the Banner Article Re: Encroachment

Can someone tell me why we would need to hire an outside independent engineer
when we Just recently hired an assistant DPaw a Director who supposedly has
engineer credentials.  Why have a DPW Director, an Assistant DPW Director and
others if they can't perform these duties.
11:29 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

I asked that the Board of Selectmen take a vote for or against
regionalizing our dispatch services. Let's see if they can lead for a change.
Many towns utilize the services of the Sherriff's Dept, why not us? Come on
Selectmen, take a stand for once so the town can plan ahead of time!
11:27 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Re: No magma Carta

But the Mayflower Compact was (signed in Provincetown) !!!
11:25 am edt 

Saturday, August 2, 2014

Re: Regionalization

Bad idea for a small town like Provincetown. Too many small streets and back
ways for some random dispatcher in Hyannis to know and direct police and fire to
the scene. Race Road? Race Point Road? Or was it Race Point? Standish Way or
Standish Street? Local dispatchers know the town and know the people and know
the officers that will be responding. Some know the town better than others. And
when the officers are out on duty, who's in the police department at night?
Imagine, in an emergency, walking up to the police department and nobody is
there. You have to call 911, get the dispatcher in Hyannis who then radios back
to Provincetown and the officer will come back to the station from wherever they
might be. And that's if there isn't another issue going on elsewhere that would
have the officers on duty involved. Overblown? Not if your being chased,
bleeding or having a heart attack. Nothing replaces a person in times of an
emergency.
8:39 pm edt 

Just Read the Banner

The story about the road encroaching onto private property is way overblown.
Bottom line is the boundary markers don't matter. They're simply a physical
monument to denote a corner or border. If they're gone, and many many times they
don't exist nor have ever existed, the registry of deeds has all the real
numbers and distances and plans that show the boundaries regardless of what's
physically on the ground. Rogers is just looking for a new job to milk the town
like he did with the Town Hall. Town should pay to have the markers put back but
there's no way that should cost hundreds of thousands like Rogers is hoping.

And don't tell me this isn't revenge on Waldo after Waldo quit Rogers' firm.
Please.
8:37 pm edt 

Re: Regionalize Dispatch

It's a NO BRAINER! Come on BOS and FINCOM, you
rid the town of the Town Manager (former cop) and Police Chief Jaran and their
plan of a new police station with large dispatch center. Save this town some
money please!!!! What's the biggest area in the current police station - the
dispatch room! Start savings us yearrounders some of our hard earned money! I
want a vote on this important issue!
6:40 pm edt 

Liza Minelli Cancellation 6:38 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

I am the anti-regionalization person!!

I don't see the savings.  There is not such a huge difference in the salary of a
chief versus captains/lieutenants that will make up for what I perceive to be
the disadvantages of regionalization.

Along with the touted efficiencies of regionalization will come MANY
inefficiencies.  Some we can easily predict others will only become evident when
it is too late.

My preference is that Provincetown remain separate and distinct in as many ways
as possible from it's neighbors while doing its' best to cooperate on our broad
range of mutual interests.
3:18 pm edt 

Re: Dog Park

There are dogs and then there are ...dogs

I know who is haunting the dog park. so do you!
1:44 pm edt 

Re: The High Cost of Provincetown

To the people complaining about the "high cost of Provincetown" you
need to understand the short season and the need for business owners to make
money in order to stay in business. Many owners find themselves needing to cram
52 weeks of business in to 12 or 16 weeks and actually losing money in the off
season (if open at all). If these are 2nd home owners complaining about high
restaurant costs all I can say is SHUT YOUR ENTITLED MOUTH. If your a visitor, I
understand why you feel as you do - but please see explanation above. And if you
are someone working in town for the summer; try to keep in mind your making good
money -- more than some people make in an entire year (granted working really
hard)  Try to budget better; don't go out every night. Drink at home, etc..
1:43 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

"I hate the idea of regionalization of almost anything, especially
dispatch."


Why?  It seems as if we had 1 police Dept for several towns with one chief and
several captains and one station we could save a lot of money on supervision and
administration.  There would be some details to work out, but...

So, please explain your viewpoint.
1:40 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

There's stupid people everywhere but it's evident that we have more
than our share here now! Goog thing I'm not a cop! I'd have filed charges
against this Town long ago for having to work in an uninhabitable building! yes
we need "a fancy new station" that's comparable to all others by today's
standards of law for all Police Departments!  Regionalization should never be
considered for anything from this remote "end of the earth",& if it is I hope
the proponent (s) are the 1st to need a service that fails, and then seethe
lawsuits that follow that!! We don't need any more negligence! There's enough to
go around already!
1:38 pm edt 

Change the Tourism Office to a Convention and Visitors Bureau (CVB)

Re-posted from Facebook:

Feeding off the thread of 'Do we still need gay resorts like Provincetown' I
would propose the following:
Change the Tourism Office to a Convention and Visitors Bureau (CVB).
The CVB is responsible for enhancing the entire tourism experience in
Provincetown. A couple of staff members may need to be added to accomplish the
additional responsibilities, but with tourism as the primary economic engine for
the town it should be a focus of the town.
In no way is this is a criticism of the existing VSB or Tourism Office. They are
primarily a marketing entity at this time and it would benefit the town if their
efforts were expanded.
1. Revamp grant process for Tourism.
Allocate grant funds to specific months to promote events and tourism in those
months.
Example:
5% January & February
5% March
10% April
15% May
15% June
5% July
5% August
15% September
15% October
5% November
5% December
The CVB would target specific months in which it wants to increase tourism.
Instead of reacting to grant applications the CVB would be proactive in
targeting applications that would increase tourism in the months in which it is
most needed.
For those months in which limited or no applications are received the CVB has
the option to hire an individual or organization to do an event.
2. The CVB in consultation with the business community would set the calendar
for the year.
The business community, residents and visitors would no longer wonder when
certain holidays (Halloween weekend, NYE weekend) will be celebrated. Everyone
will know far in advance when Provincetown will celebrate certain weekends.
3. The CVB would proactively work to address the constantly changing the
demographic of the Provincetown visitor.
Eco-Tourism, revitalize our waterfront, everyone has lots of ideas and thoughts,
the need exist for one entity to takes the ideas and thoughts and with the help
of the towns residents and businesses and see to their implementation.
4. The CVB will work to enhance the visitors experience.
Parking.
CVB will make recommendations for parking. As an example recommendations might
include free parking on Wednesday nights to encourage day trippers to come in
for the day and evening, shop, have dinner, see a show etc.
Parking & Traffic flow.
CVB will work with the Department of Public Safety and Parking Department to
optimize the visitors experience with parking. Options may include additional
traffic officers, a parking app informing the visitor of available parking, etc.
Tourist Information Booths
The parking lots will become automated with one attendant only at each booth to
solve problems. The current parking lot attendant positions will be changed to
Tourism Customer Service positions. Tourist information booths will be located
at two or three locations in town and staffed with individuals who will answer
questions, provide directions, etc.
Summary
The overall concept is to have an entity responsible for growing our tourism
economy and enhancing the visitor experience so our guests want to come back.
1:36 pm edt 

Liza Minelli Cancellation

I find it highly implausible that the promoters of the Liza Minelli
show as well as the venue owner had no prior knowledge of Miss Minelli's
cancellation up until three days prior to the show. While they are offering
"refund options" and "discounts" it still seems incredibly fishy to me.  Liza
has been canceling shows all summer with the exact same medical excuses..
Articles from May found easilly through Google state the performer is canceling
all summer shows. Id like to know when they truthfully knew it would be just Mr.
Coming performing. We made our travel plans to come to provincetown just for
Liza minelli. If we were deceived id like more than a ticket refund.
1:33 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"It is very sad that in the town where freedom was born and where we
cherish inclusion, people want to discriminate against  families and hairy men. 
These folks deserve summer too."


No problem with all the bears being here, but was the magna Carta really signed
in PT?
1:28 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

RE: "It is very sad that in the town where freedom was born and where we
cherish inclusion..."


First off, the forefathers tortured and ran off the Indians, so your claims
about the goodness of the founders  is wishful thinking. Second. true inclusion
means everybody is welcome to enjoy Ptown, not just hairy men and families.
And that's why theme weeks during the height of the summer need to be moved to
the shoulder season.

1:26 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

"Just think all of the payroll and benefits costs the town will save!!"


Sure. And if we get rid of more town jobs, do you really think your taxes will
drop? Dream on. Taxes will just be spent a different way.

I can't understand the people who salivate at the thought of others in town
losing their income, or having to travel up Cape to survive. I used to work in
Providence, and it was hell driving back and forth and costly as well. Keeping
services local and employing lower Cape residents is healthy for our community.




1:24 pm edt 

Re: Regional Dispatch Center

Keep dispatch local.  The last thing we want is the East Coast's
version of Arizona's psycho Sheriff Arpaio growing his empire!!!
1:22 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization?

Can you post the news story on the police regionalization? I was told
is being built in Bourne, not Hyannis near the jail that we should utilize as
well. I agree with the original poster about real savings to taxpayers for
regionalization efforts. Now is the time so let's see if the BOS and Finance
Committee will lead us in the right direction. There comes a time when it's
appropriate to cut or move jobs in an organization in order to improve
efficiency while saving money!
1:21 pm edt 

Re: Regional Dispatch Center

I have to admit that normally I disagree with pretty much everything that gets
posted to this site, but the specific idea of joining forces to create a
regional dispatch center actually makes a lot of sense to me.  I can't think of
any significant downside to this and I would absolutely support it if it came to
a vote.
1:19 pm edt 

Friday, August 1, 2014

Re: Regionalization

Re: "Now we don't need a fancy new station and can trim ALL the
dispatchers Jaran was trying to save. This will be a huge savings for the town
and it's time for the BOS to step up and immediately address this. Just think
all of the payroll and benefits costs the town will save!!"


So as we slash and burn town jobs and send them to Hyannis who are we building
community housing for?
12:54 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

I hate the idea of regionalization of almost anything, especially
dispatch.  I am willing to go with less in some personal areas if need be so I
can afford to pay the same or more taxes to keep dispatch local.
12:51 pm edt 

Regionalization

Did any one else read that the Sheriff's Dept just received 1.2
Million dollars for a regional dispatch center! Time to finally regionalize and
plan in the upcoming budget season. Now we don't need a fancy new station and
can trim ALL the dispatchers Jaran was trying to save. This will be a huge
savings for the town and it's time for the BOS to step up and immediately
address this. Just think all of the payroll and benefits costs the town will
save!! The chair of the BOS needs to show some leadership and tackle this issue
immediately.
10:04 am edt 


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