Provincetown Association of Concerned Citizens

Shout Out!

Home
Mission Statement
Editorial
Shout Out!
Candace Nagle Public Records
Sal's Place Saga
Michael Shay Devlopment
Connecting the Dots
Police Marcum Rebuttal
Declaration of Independence
Breaking News!
Adventures of Harbor Home III
Literary Corner
That's Entertainment
Listen and Learn (Audio Commentary)
Eyes On The World (Video Commentary)
For The Record (Downloadable Files)
Frequently Asked Questions
Contact Us
100 E-Mails

bigstockphoto_argument_703954.jpg
CLICK PICTURE TO ADD YOUR COMMENTS TO SHOUT OUT! BLOG

To Read Earlier Comments Click On Dates at Bottom of Page 

 

 

You don't have to give either your name or E-mail address
Please avoid using profanity or derogatory statements. Thank you. 
 

To Update Your Shout Out! Screen Page
Please Type Your Keyboard Ctrl Key and F5 Key Simultaneously This Will Update Your Screen Page
                                                                                   

Click Here to go to Provincetown TV

Click Below For The Weather Report 

MYPACC Can Now be Translated Into103 Languages

Note the Translation Button Near the Top of Each Page

 

Happy Thanksgiving    Provincetown !!

Archive Newer | Older

Thursday, July 31, 2014

Re: Dog Park

Everybody seems to keep complaining about a certain 'women' who is
haunting the dog park. Really? I must be missing out, because me and my pup
haven't been accosted yet. What's the problem?
11:10 pm edt 

Re: Do the Research

Sorry. Whole Foods is way more expensive than Stop & Shop.
11:07 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Sad

It is very sad that in the town where freedom was born and where we cherish
inclusion, people want to discriminate against  families and hairy men.  These
folks deserve summer too.
8:17 pm edt 

Re: Food Trucks

FYI: Food trucks are not less expensive. Well, maybe by $3,for some
items. But then consider you order your food at a window, pick it up at a
window, sit at a table that may or may not be packed with a ton of people or
walk along chowing down your food where you can. It would however, be great for
the local restaurants to have a little competition. Trailers can be set up
anywhere...gas stations, parking lots, etc. I doubt a vendor could get licensed
in Ptown, though. Too many living off the fatted calf to allow that to happen.
7:22 pm edt 

Re: Dog Park

Does anyone run or oversee the dog park?   If so maybe they should
stop by there and see the awful people who are making miserable for everyone.   I
know that I won't go there anymore after being verbally attacked by a women who
thought my dog was aggressive cause he barks.     Get a life women dogs park but
cause of you I don't go there. Not worth the stress knowing you might be there
or show up.
7:20 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Simultaneous Hosting?

This Family Week is killing my business just as the Bear Week disturbs
others in other ways. Consider the feasibility of us hosting both themes
simultaneously. The only overlap involves pizza, ice cream, etc. We would get
back a week for our more affluent demographic who avoid us during both of these
current weeks. Sounds stupid at first but the more I think about it the better I
like it.
7:18 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

Looks like the Town Manager Search Committee isn't the only group to
lose control of it's confidential list of candidates:

The Library Board of Trustees has publicly posted the names of the first two
candidates for Library Director.  They are Barbara Klipper and Rebecca Lindau.
Here's the posting:

http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/12594

Sure hope the candidates aren't in need of confidentiality.

Really, does it get any stupider?  It's not like the chair of the trustees
hasn't been through this process twice before.
7:14 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Absurdity of it all re: Theme Weeks

Who in their right mind can tell someone when they can and can't come to town
for a visit?  Last I knew, this is a vacation destination and has been marketed
as such for decades.  Get off your high horse.  If Bears want to come in July vs
October, let them come.   What do you plan to do to stop them, put a toll gate
up on route 6 and deny every man over 200 lbs entry?  Are you also going to deny
families the right to come during Family Week and tell them they should come in
October?   Maybe we should tell the Portuguese when to celebrate Portuguese
Festival, and while we're at it, let's have Carnival in December.
7:12 pm edt 

A Few Million Dollars Richer

Oh, how the housing folk involved with Stable path are beaming and grinning all
over town now that this housing group has its millions as well as Community
Preservation Act money all in the bank.

The staff is financially set again and must be "high fiving" it every single
morning. Yes, they are the cat's meow. They have the land already, they have the
plans and now they have millions and they can plan their next housing
development

Just think..butild these units, put out the ads for the affordable
apartments..and after a few months they can be rented at market rates! What a
deal..and after their low income leases are up..they all go at market rate.

Too bad I didn't get a job with them years ago..I'd be rolling in dough by now.

Next in line is the Virtuous circle development with that particular group and
then the market rate group that Timothy Guy Olive talks about..the town will be
swimming in low income housing by next summer.
9:52 am edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Since this town does not supply the entitled with enough affordable
housing  let alone affordable restaurants, can we start a petition to replace
S&S with a Whole Foods?
8:42 am edt 

Re: Dog Park

Aggressive dogs makes me laugh.     Dogs play by growling and barking
at each other that's how they communicate.    People really need to relax.  It's
a dog park.  Just like a kid playground.   Are we really becoming that town 
where everyone is so uptight.    This is crazy.     I know who the people are at
the park everyone is talking about and I agree tell them to stay home.
8:39 am edt 

Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Re: Provincetown Restaurants Beware!

Rumor has it the town is considering allowing food carts.

I saw the Planning Board mtg on PTV and it was the TP idea.

Maybe the food will be less expensive but wait this is PTown
11:06 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown - Here is My favorite

I was talking to someone who misses the Hot L. so do I. He said to some
restaurant owner: you need to do something for townies. the restaurant owner
said:  OK. Maybe well offer a meatloaf for townies in the fall at $19.95.

Some of you will get this. Others--well, there's nothing more to say.
10:14 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

When people ask me for a recommendation for a resturant, my first
answear is always the same. "leave town".

Will a resturant owner read this and learn from this?

A Rat In The Basement
10:12 pm edt 


When people ask me for a recommendation for a resturant, my first
answear is always the same. "leave town".

Will a resturant owner read this and learn from this?

A Rat In The Basement
10:11 pm edt 

Carnival

Who is riding on the Carnival float this year? Heard the PBG outdid themselves
with a star. Dying to hear who it is .
10:09 pm edt 

Provincetown Restaurants Beware!

Rumor has it the town is considering allowing food carts.

Here we go again!
10:08 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

"Dear Mr. Salad, Your comment about Denny's is mean and nasty. You see
because of your superior attitude we in Provincetown cannot and do not have a a
Denny's that locals can afford to eat at.You don't want us to have chains
because they ruin the ambiance to our village so we have this restaurant on
Bradford that  serves a 4 oz. glass of OJ at breakfast for $5 which I cant
afford to go to."



What is your point?  Why are you even here?  Are you married to the town and
can't leave?  You seem to resent what it is.  If you want a denny's go to a
place that has a denny's.  If you don't like it here leave.  It won't change
because you want it to.  Will it be better if we had every low priced chain
here?  better for who?
10:06 pm edt 


"News Flash: not everybody lives for the value menu at Denny's,
sweetie"


Umm sweetie,news flash for you: not every restaurant here is as good as
Denny's. Great food, especially their breakfast for 1/3 of the cost.
10:01 pm edt 

Re: 90 Shankpainter

"so when visiting your friends at 90 Shankpainter, my advice
is---don't eat the vegetables!"


Ok, once again. Province Landing does not plant their vegetables in the ground.
They are in raised boxes with store bought organic soil. Geez, does anyone read
the comments on here??

Signed,

I eat my veggies at 90 shankpainter because I grow them in a raised, (off of the
ground) box with organic soil.
9:37 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

Dear Mr. Salad, Your comment about Denny's is mean and nasty. You see
because of your superior attitude we in Provincetown cannot and do not have a a
Denny's that locals can afford to eat at.You don't want us to have chains
because they ruin the ambiance to our village so we have this restaurant on
Bradford that  serves a 4 oz. glass of OJ at breakfast for $5 which I cant
afford to go to.

Thanks
4:27 pm edt 

Re: Dog Park

The people are so mean. a friend told me that someone there called her dog a
mutt and her dog could not play with my friends, "mutt". so rude. I realized
that I like pets, just not pet owners. even walking in town two days ago a woman
was walking her large dog behing me on a leash that was a good 2 feet away from
her and her dog almost knocked me over, I actually stumbled and had to catch
myself, and the owner just laughed at said, hee hee hee, my dog wasn't watching
where it was going, hee hee hee. and I said No lady, YOU need to watch where YOU
walk your dog. The nerve of some people.
4:25 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

" Don't screw the locals! They are your best & free advertising! If
you are generous with portions of good food you will be rewarded in volume! "


I completely agree with this statement. As a local and for most of the local
people that work here in Ptown, usually get asked by tourists where the best
place to eat is.  I know for certain that many locals here do not even know
because they cannot afford to eat here. Me being one of them. All we can do is
guess, which isn't really good for our business' here. I wonder if the owners
ever have thought about this.  It would be nice once in a while to be able to go
out to eat in a restaurant locally instead of only eating out when if we are
lucky we leave Provincetown. kinda sad actually...........
3:54 pm edt 

Re: Dog Park

Ah, well but Maybe the Aggressive Dog that should Be controlled

Is nothing more than           herself! Keep her peened in. Keep her controlled
and life for others--including a few dogs--will be much better.
3:52 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown - Salads in NYC

Dear Mr Salad NYC....

Thanks for your imput on NYC restaurants. I have to say that
You have the big city attitude and your Denny,s comment
Was nothing but ignorant . Some people can only afford  lower
Cost family restaurants.
By the way,do they still serve bread to customers ?
3:49 pm edt 

Re: Mark Hatch - Substantiated 4-0

Congratulations Mark Hatch

Glad that the vote was in your favor. enough of this Jeff Jaran left over hatred
from the guy who swore that at the Pig incident, Jeff Jaran had little to drink!
and this is the guy who himself was earlier arrested. Please.  Left the detritus
leave.

Glad that you were found to be doing what you should be and to be on a board
that you have every right to be on!
12:00 pm edt 

Re: 90 Shankpainter

If I Were You I would not Eat the Vegetables

Before the excavation, all the chemicals and carcinogens were deeper down in the
earth. the pines were fine and there were not that many wild animals there. But
after the excavation---well that is another story.

so when visiting your friends at 90 Shankpainter, my advice is---don't eat the
vegetables!
11:57 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

RE: "Family Week Bad For Most Business?
From what I have witnessed, Yes!  It seems that way!  Walking through town for
the past few days, it seems restaurants are quiet especially in the evening and
bars are just as quiet and quests who are not here for family week are asking if
it is normally this quiet!  Also I notice all the quest houses I saw had vacancies."


Quiet, midweek, in high summer???  That cant be true.   The want to move theme
weeks crowd on here keep saying its always busy in the summer.  They say we dont
need no steeenking theme weeks.  Thats why they want them banished to the
shoulder seasons.

Maybe tourists are staying away to avoid being trampled by charging families
with baby strollers.  Or maybe it is as I have said, its no longer busy midweek
(for the last ten years) with the exception of a couple successful theme weeks.

If you got ideas on events bolstering the shoulder seasons, bring them on. 
Promote them.  Get people to attend.  Drive business to town.  Try your hand and
creating instead of destroying what others have succsefully built up over many
years.
11:55 am edt 

Re: Dog Park

100% agree with the dog park post----- there is no enjoyment at all
there, there are a few miserable people there who think they own the park and
can do and say whatever they want, I hope the dog park gets back to being fun
and enjoyable again
11:51 am edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown - Salads in NYC

Can't remember the last time I went into a restaurant in NYC and got a free
salad included with my entree, unless it was a prix fixe, pre-theatre special
deal.  News Flash: not everybody lives for the value menu at Denny's, sweetie.
11:48 am edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

May be some newbie restaurant owners haven't learned how to be
successful! Don't screw the locals! They are your best & free advertising! If
you are generous with portions of good food you will be rewarded in volume!

Locals are like the Chamber of Commerce Annex! They tell guests,friends who tell
guests,etc. where it's best to go for anything!Give salad if that's been the
practice! Make them A little smaller than a platter full,maybe even increase to
a dollar ,but to charge an extra 6-8 dollars for salad is ludicrous &/or $8.00
for a side of pasta that used to come with the main course that now cost $32.00
without it!

Put the side of pasta in a smaller plate like it used to be instead
of a big bowlful!  It's illusion & common sense!  people feel "ripped off" and
they are! drinks also are too high! $8.00 for a glass of wine!! $6.00 - $10.00
for dessert!  Get 8 cuts instead of 6 in a pie for less! Just A TASTE after a
full dinner is adequate!

I recently went to dinner with a friend! we had no drinks & dessert We shared one
plate of 6 small stuffed mushrooms.We each had a main dish & nothing else!
The bill was $96.00 not including the 20% tip,another $20.00 to total $116.00
without extras.

Not many people here can do that too often if they are from the working class! The
other thing some places do is cut back on choice cuts of meats instead of what was
formerly served which brings down their reputation! Food costs are high and we're all
mindful of that but some places have become so excessive to make it quick that they
are going to price themselves out of business!
11:46 am edt 

Family Week Bad For Most Business?

From what I have witnessed, Yes!  It seems that way!  Walking through town for
the past few days, it seems restaurants are quiet especially in the evening and
bars are just as quiet and quests who are not here for family week are asking if
it is normally this quiet!  Also I notice all the quest houses I saw had
vacancies.   So here it is mid summer and I would assume this is a week bad for
business...
9:49 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks: Bear Week

"Bear Week gathers men who possess certain characteristics. There is
no common gathering or event for the public, it's a closed group. And that's
fine. But move it to a shoulder season, and give the town and other non-bear
tourists a break."


This topic almost sounds like the possibility of moving Bear Week is possible. 
It is a private group living in private quarters arriving mostly in private
transportation.  So, how can it be "moved"?  Try "moving" Baby Dyke weekend. 
Explain how it can be done.

Too much foolishness here.

And, I agree with the complaint about dogs playing at the dog park.  Sure,
aggressive dogs should be controlled, but playing is why they go in the first
place. Try to gets kids from playing at a playground and making noise.  Better
off trying to get trees to grow Christmas decorations in December to save us
time and money.
9:30 am edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

Judging from the large number of tourists enjoying our fine
restaurants, bars and lodging establishments it would appear a lot of tourists
love a good soaking.
9:26 am edt 

Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Dog Park

Thus is for all you dog park visitors.    ITS A DOG PARK.   Dogs play
they bark.   There is no enjoyment going there anymore.  Everyone is so afraid 
to let there dogs play.  Everyone is angry and mad.     If you do not  want your
dog to play with other dogs than stay home.     So sick of all,the miserable
people who ruin everything good in this town.
12:00 am edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

Here's a good question. The businesses that charge so much because
according to them they HAVE to make MONEY in such a short time. What are they
paying their workers?  9-10 bucks an hour? To clean up after people who are
paying 50 bucks for one person per meal. Seems fair to me...
11:58 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

Let's not confuse Bear Week with Carnival. Carnival is a series of
activities built around an event, the parade. It is founded in the spirit of
relative inclusiveness, admittedly for adults.

Bear Week gathers men who possess certain characteristics. There is no common
gathering or event for the public, it's a closed group. And that's fine. But
move it to a shoulder season, and give the town and other non-bear tourists a
break. Those who don't feel like getting knocked off a bar stool by an oblivious
giddy bear. Yes...I saw it happen twice.
11:57 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"No, you are missing the point.  Mid summer always used to be busy till
about ten years ago.  Now it's busy-ish on most weekends and a pale imatation of
what it used to be during the week."


It's like talking to a wall. I guess greed makes it difficult to understand
logic. So you honestly don't see how rescheduling some theme weeks to the
shoulder seasons might help to build year round economy and benefit all local
businesses? You truly believe that if we rescheduled some theme weeks it would
hurt the year round economy? Sounds like maybe you are one of those business
owners who takes the money and runs the day after labor day. Well, some of us
have more of a commitment to the town and it's community.
11:55 pm edt 

Pier Arrest

Whos the employie down the pier that works for the pier corp that was
arrested for credit card fraud?
11:53 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"Carnival and Bear week are the biggest weeks all year.  Why would you
want to mess with them other than for your own selfish reasons."



Interesting you're labeling others selfish to suggest making way for a diverse
range of people rather then clumps of bears. You need a label: entitled.
11:52 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

Why they ended salads to their Meals:  "Because we have 80 days to make a 365
living and one can't make money giving stuff away. If we lose a few mooches and
deadbeats, so be it."


Moochers and deadbeats? Really? Do you have any idea of the number of people
that we who live here bring to restaurants in the season? How many guests we
have? How we can steer people to shops and restaurants? And don't give me this
crap about 80 days because the rent is astronomically higher in Boston and NYC
and restaurants do well. If you can't figure out how to make the restaurant work
while giving you customers what they're paying for (and in most civilized dining
experiences that INCLUDES a salad), then don't blame me for telling everyone NOT
to eat there. It's like when we went to a certain East End small restaurant for
breakfast and it was $35 for something that would cost me $15 anywhere else, and
was also about $15 on the quality scale. So now I tell people not to go there,
that there are better values in town. So stop your salads and don't be surprised
if your numbers don't change as well. Maybe you should concentrate on the things
that matter...like making the pr!
ice match the quality of the meal and the service. Most restaurants here are,
frankly, nothing special. THAT'S the issue.
11:50 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

Why they ended salads to their Meals,

"Because we have 80 days to make a 365 living and one can't make money giving
stuff away. If we lose a few mooches and deadbeats, so be it."

9:11 am edt


Nice attitude buddy. Why don't you name your restaurant so the "mooches" and
"deadbeats" will never step foot into your establishment again!!
11:46 pm edt 

Mark Hatch - Finance Committee Member

Subject:
re: Mark Hatch

Dear Mr. Johnstone and members of the Board of Registrars:

Because I have to go to work at 4:00 this afternoon, I am writing to state that when I appointed Mark Hatch to the finance committee I did so because he had indicated on his application that he was a a registered voter in the Town of Provincetown. I also knew that Mr. Hatch had previously served on at least one other town committee, including the town manager search committee.
I also observed Mr. Hatch's presence at Town Meeting, wearing a tag that indicated that he was a registered voter, and as a result, called upon him to speak.
Mr. Hatch is a faithful attendee at selectmen's meetings and prior to my appointing him, a faithful attendee at finance committee meetings.
It is my understanding that when a person registers to vote, he or she is required to tell the town clerk if they are registered elsewhere. It is then incumbent upon the clerk to notify the other community that the voter is now registered in Provincetown.
This attack upon Mr. Hatch's integrity and reputation is incredibly disturbing to me. I am dismayed that you are now being required to hold his hearing in the face of this unfounded assault on Mr. Hatch's honesty. I am hopeful that you will find that Mr. Hatch is indeed a bona fide voter in Provincetown.
Mary-Jo Avellar
11:44 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

RE: "Mid summer is ALWAYS going to be busy. Always has been. We could
actually USE a few theme weeks in the fall or spring, when people aren't coming
in droves just for the weather."



No, you are missing the point.  Mid summer always used to be busy till about ten
years ago.  Now it's busy-ish on most weekends and a pale imatation of what it
used to be during the week.  Theme weeks that fill the midweek void week are
good.  It has nothing to do with loyalty to the bears or anyone else.  It has to
do with, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

If you want more people in the shoulder seasons, come up with some ideas to make
it happen.  Carnival and Bear week are the biggest weeks all year.  Why would
you want to mess with them other than for your own selfish reasons.  You must be
one of those miserable types you overhear in the hardware store already wishing
in was labor day by the time July 3rd rolls around so that the tourists would go
away.
11:39 am edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

As I said before 80 days for businesses to soak the tourists and 285
to soak the tax payers for benefits. And I do think if restaurants treat
customers like moochers for not wanting to spend $60-$80 per person for a meal
you are putting yourselves out of business. No wonder people love condos, you
can cook at home and make a mortgage payment then sell and get your money
back....sounds like the smart thing to do doesn't it?
11:35 am edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

As a business owner I always say to someone that has a problem with
prices, if you think you can do better open your own business.
9:13 am edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

Why they ended salads to their Meals,

Because we have 80 days to make a 365 living and one can't make money giving
stuff away. If we lose a few mooches and deadbeats, so be it.
9:11 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

"The Bear theme week  is good for our tourist economy. Moving it to the
off season wouldnt work People dont want to vacation at a beach unless its beach
weather."


Wow, you're not getting it at all, are you? of course the bears bring in a lot
of business (despite how distasteful their antic may be to some, myself
included,) the point is: Mid summer is ALWAYS going to be busy. Always has been.
We could actually USE a few theme weeks in the fall or spring, when people
aren't coming in droves just for the weather.

And I believe bears, families, gay pilots, etc. actually WOULD show up in the
shoulder seasons to be with their groups and hey, they might just come in the
summer as well!

Forget your loyalty to the bears for a moment and think about the greater good.
9:09 am edt 

Monday, July 28, 2014

The New Revolution With Housing For All

Public Meeting

The Provincetown Community Housing Council will hold a Public Meeting at
1:00 p.m. on Monday, July 28, 2014, Veterans Memorial Community Center Building,
2 Mayflower Street, Provincetown, MA 02657.
Votes may be taken under any agenda item.
Meeting Agenda:...

1. Public Statements
2. DART Program start-up discussion with Town Planner Gloria McPherson
3. Little Fix Program outreach & recruitment
4. MassDocs utilization discussion
5. Fire Station #2 upstairs future development discussion
6. Minutes: 7/14/14 7. Any other business
8. Meeting schedule

GUESS WHAT FOLKS--THERE IS NO QUOROM SO THE MEETING IS CANCELLED. Why bother
when they have their acolytes flooding town meeting and voting taxpayer money
funding for their pet projects.
4:11 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

"High costs of ptown accommodations and restaurants..."


I asked the two restaurants why they ended salads to their
Meals,they claimed they were spending over $50k on lettuce.
Out of curiosity,I have asked other Massachusetts restaurants
The same question,each time I was told that was baloney.

This is another example of the greed in ptown.
I also looked on tripadvisor for hotels in Boston,you can stay
In the down town area of Boston for $225  and lower.
4:08 pm edt 

Re: 90 Shankpainter

"It was a burn dump and the chemicals that still lie there are
serious."


Just a curious question, If the land was so bad, would the trees and grasses and
all the animal life be able to live there safely as they had before they tore it
all up? If it was that horrible? I know someone who lives there that has a
garden and they are in above ground in boxes, not in the ground soil, so if it
is bad, the fruits and veggies should be fine! Thank goodness.
4:07 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

"It seems like there are many people here who do not like bear week. A
lot actually."

Really?  I think you might mean "some" not "many" and what percentage is a "lot"
and how did you determine that.
4:04 pm edt 


"It seems like there are many people here who do not like bear week. A
lot actually."


Really?  I think you might mean "some" not "many" and what percentage is a "lot"
and how did you determine that.
4:03 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown High Taxes - No Decrease

"The post regarding reasons why our taxes have not gone down is
partially incorrect. Yes roads and town hall needed attention but the library
and the school system have and continue to be money pits. The library should
never have been moved, we had a fixable building. The high school should have
been sold, period."



Again with selling of the school. Where would you like the children to go to? Or
is it that you are "one of those" who do not want ANY children in this town?
Sure sounds like it. Many people send their children to school here in
Provincetown because it is a great school and a safe school.
Enough already, leave the school and the kids alone once and for all!!!!! It is
so annoying, irritating, troublesome and disturbing.
12:39 pm edt 

Re: 90 Shankpainter

The Lists of carcinogens at 90 Shankpainter Was Presented at a town
Meeting

There was a motion to delay the work at 90 Shankpainter when there were still
fabulous tall pines circling the land. but the motion was denied and the DPW,
with the fakey white suits, began digging up the land immediately town meeting.
The land was to be covered up after the more dangerous carcinogens were supposed
to be removed.

It was a burn dump and the chemicals that still lie there are serious.

This was all public but the irrational push for lower cost housing--as you still
here over and over today--led the votes to go forward--no matter what.

Don't eat the vegetables that might be growing there! You will be glowing in the
dark!
12:37 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

About the high costs in our town, two of my favorite restaurants, 
            and             , as of this year have stopped their side salads
with the meal. For me, I did not need to order an appetizer because the salad
was so good. That perk is gone so now adding the appetizer and zoom the cost of
a meal is a week and a half of groceries. So good bye to visiting those two
anymore.
 
About the bears, they don't just come for the weather they come for the
friendships and personal connections. So wouldn't they come in June or September
if moved to the shoulder so the general population can be more freely
accomodated.. Just asking?
12:33 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

"RE:  So, couldn't get any plainer. For all those defending Bear Week,
etc it's apparent that theme weeks DO influence our main source of income, our
tourists.  As usual, the VSB is asleep at the switch, allowing theme weeks to
overtake our short high season. Bear Week used to be held off season. Slowly
over the years, the organizers have edged it up and now it occurs during one the
busiest weeks!
Not great planning"


You couldn't be more wrong.  Id say its great planning.  The Bear theme week
brings in thousands of tourists, unless you dont think the bears are tourists
that is?  They rent our rooms.  They eat in our restaurants.  They party in our
bars and spend in our shops.  That is precisely what we need tourists to do.  We
need more weeks like this and fewer day trippers who only come on weekends
wander the streets, people watch and dont spend much other than the twenty bucks
they pay to park and maybe purchase an ice cream cone or a box of taffy.

Since you seem to agree that tourism is key to our economy, why you dont take a
poll of businesses in town and see whether or not they think the Bear theme week
is good for our tourist economy.  Moving it to the off season wouldnt work. 
People dont want to vacation at a beach unless its beach weather.

Why on earth would you want to mess with something that has become one of the
busiest and most financially lucrative weeks all summer long?  Why would you
shoo away thousands of big spending Bear tourists to attract a couple of ice
cream cone buying day trippers?

If you want people to come in the off season then why dont YOU come up with some
ideas to attract them here?  Lets hear your ideas to attract tourists to a beach
community when the beach weather is long gone or yet to arrive.  I'll be waiting
to hear your ideas, but I won't be holding my breath.
10:07 am edt 

Re: Change the Subject Matter - Please!

The post regarding reasons why our taxes have not gone down is
partially incorrect. Yes roads and town hall needed attention but the library
and the school system have and continue to be money pits. The library should
never have been moved, we had a fixable building. The high school should have
been sold, period.
9:37 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

"Just because one person doesn't like Bear Week does not build consensus."



 It seems like there are many people here who do not like bear week. A lot
actually. But I think the real issue that a lot of people that I have spoken
with about is the fact that it is in the middle of July. I understand the bears
want to vacation here like everyone else, just maybe move it a couple weeks
further on the calender. Right after the 4th does seem too much. And like many
of the other posters on here, we should try to do more in the off season months.
It really would benefit everyone who lives and has a business here. How could we
do that? That would be a topic that I am interested in discussing. Is anyone
else? How could we get people to visit in the "slow months" and has it been
tried before?

Signed,

Cant we all just get along?
9:34 am edt 

Re: 990 Shank Painter?

Where is 990 Shank Painter Rd. I thought the numbers only went to 100.
9:32 am edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

"Maybe they are here on weekends but on the whole, they are hardly eating at our
restaurants and hardly taking rooms in our guests houses.

Something is different. Why? We have yet to analyze this! "



Did you ever think its because of how ridiculous the prices are to eat and lodge
here???  I understand the whole economics of running a tourist town, but when
one business raises their prices and then ALL the other ones follow suit. Why
not be different and lower the prices slightly and maybe just maybe you will see
an increase in people coming to your business. When every single place is
charging 8-10 bucks for a darn burger, what makes YOUR burger stand out?
Nothing..... Its like when a tourist asks "Wheres the best and cheapest seafood
restaurant to eat at?" I laugh every time. FACT
9:29 am edt 

Re: New York Times - 36 Hours in Provincetown Mass

"But if youre after warm weather and high-season theatrics, arrive in
July, August or early September. Be careful about what summer week you choose.
Many have a theme, and your Provincetown experience will differ whether youre
here for Family Week, Girl Splash or Bear Week.
-New York Times"


So, couldn't get any plainer. For all those defending Bear Week, etc it's
apparent that theme weeks DO influence our main source of income, our tourists.
As usual, the VSB is asleep at the switch, allowing theme weeks to overtake our
short high season. Bear Week used to be held off season. Slowly over the years,
the organizers have edged it up and now it occurs during one the busiest weeks!
Not great planning.

Theme weeks need to be scheduled during the shoulder season.
9:24 am edt 

Re: Talk About Chemicals

"I believe we will be sued for anyone who gets sick there who is
living there. It is filled with carcinogens."



Ok, but your belief, as you state so often, means nothing.  He we go again.  How
about a list of the carcinogens and the certified source of your info.

More stupid crap without any proof or data.
9:21 am edt 

Sunday, July 27, 2014

When Postings Involve the Same Issue

Often it is because it strikes a nerve and people feel strongly about the issue.
that is why theme week comes up and up. We do get tired of this and then others
stay away preciously because of certain weeks. I know those who dread the coming
week. Just too much of one thing!
7:47 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

It's nearly impossible to find a vacation stay anyplace in the
developed world for $100 dollars per night or less.  Provincetown has certainly
gotten more expensive as has the rest of the world.
7:32 pm edt 

Talk About Chemicals

Remember 990 Shankpainter Was a Burn Dump

It is loaded with chemicals and they never removed them all. I hope no one is
gardening there! the carrots will glow at night.

The town still owns this land and we rented to the land for $1 a year for I
think 99 years. thank you Sharon for another great deal! I believe we will be
sued for anyone who gets sick there who is living there. It is filled with
carcinogens.

This is why Cumberland farms wanted to sell it to us for a million. We paid a
millions and then gave it all away to some Boston company but we still own the
land and we still own all liabilities. another great thinking by our town
leaders.

And please to those who say we haven't been involved with affordable
housing--this town has give and given to affordable housing. all our CPA monies
and just look into Ted Malone's bank account. We have given him millions and
then he turns a once affordable condo into a market rate one and everyone is
laughing all the way to the bank.

That the town has been plain stupid is the problem. We give monies away and get
little for our investment. We have been foolish and naïve and I see some on the
BOS in the same position. What are they thinking? Perhaps they are not.
7:29 pm edt 

Re: Change the Subject Matter - Please!


I corrected your spelling. No worries.

Your taxes have been reduced -- significantly -- by the sale of the Manor. But,
just like Bernie Madoff's massive shell game, your taxes have increased because
of the enourmous amout of new projects our little town took on. Some were long
overdue (street repaving and sewering), but a few were required because of
derelict attention to maintenance by former town administration (Town Hall was
inhabitable and then there was the issues with the schools).

Bottom line:

Don't believe everything you hear.

You get what you pay for.

Darla
7:20 pm edt 

New York Times - 36 Hours in Provincetown Mass

JULY 24, 2014

"Perched at the tip of Cape Cod — or at the end of the world, as locals like to say — Provincetown is a quirky beach community favored by artists, drag queens, L.G.B.T. people, heterosexual families from the suburbs and oddballs on the run. Provincetown combines small-town charm with big-city spunk, and it’s nestled among miles of peaceful dunes and seashore. If you want solitude, come in the winter when hardly anyone is here — or anything is open. But if you’re after warm weather and high-season theatrics, arrive in July, August or early September. Be careful about what summer week you choose. Many have a theme, and your Provincetown experience will differ whether you’re here for “Family Week,” “Girl Splash” or “Bear Week.”
12:39 pm edt 

Re: High Cost of Provincetown

I think the rooms for $100 a night in July and August means you are
sleeping on the back porch

We are sky high in prices and you can expect to spend $300 a night in the
summer. We might be pricing ourselves out of the market but that is life in
Provincetown.
10:54 am edt 

Parking Lot and Gas Station Land

Remember, folks, that on land that has housed a gas station and an auto repair
shop etc for half a century, there are checials that may have seeped into the
ground.

There would have to be areas drilled and examined for all kinds of chemicals if
one is going to tear up a parking lot and build houses where kids will be
playing. IF any land is contaminated, it would have to be capped etc before it
can be fit for affordable housing.
10:44 am edt 

High Cost of Provincetown


The person who wrote in Requarding the high cost of motel
Rooms in town is correct. I went on three web sites And saw the same
Dollar amounts. The responder listed b&b,s that had shared baths etc.
10:42 am edt 

Change the Subject Matter - Please!

Select Groups

Could we please get off the subject of theme weeks and get back to what the real
issues are here. Who's running the town? Are we any closer to hiring a Town
Manager and how's our financial situation? I'm still waiting for my taxes to go
down since the sale of the manor to Seashore Point as was promised by one of our
former town managers.
10:41 am edt 

Saturday, July 26, 2014

Re: High Costs and Fewer Tourists

"Please list the places to stay around $100 per night in ptown.  I want to make
reservations...."


Call the Chamber, but here are 10 to start with:

1. Carl's
2. Chicago House
3. Christopher's by the Bay
4. Crew's Quarters
5. Gifford House
6. Grand View Inn
7. Moffet House
8. Rose & Crown
9. Shire Max
10. The Captain's House
8:48 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

"You cannot tell someone to not come here when
the bears are here. Who the heck do you think you are?"


I think you have it backwards.  Nobody is telling anybody to go away when the
bears are here.  The bears are very friendly and inclusive.  Rather it is a few
complainers that started this conversation by stating the bears should go away
while they are here.

Did you see the post from the "typical tourist" who showed up and was muscled
off dance floors and run over by charging bears in our streets and shops?  Have
you been reading the posts about moving theme weeks to the off season?  If you
have been paying attention you would see it is not the bears or any other theme
participant asking you not to come, rather it is you and the other complainers
who are seeking everyone else to not come here until you deem it the appropriate
time.
7:09 pm edt 

Re: High Costs and Fewer Tourists

"Totally inaccurate..."


Please list the places to stay at $100 per night in ptown.
I want to make reservations....
6:58 pm edt 

Resume Gate?

So many postings about theme weeks and yet not one posting about
resume gate.  Curious isn't it?  Not really.
6:57 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

So now that there seems to be a consensus to move Bear Week to the off season,
how can it be made to happen? Maybe if the VSB stopped funding these events with
our tax dollars it would be a good start.

Consensus?  Did I miss something?  Just because one person doesn't like Bear
Week does not build consensus.  Also, I don't believe the Visitor Services Board
funds Bear Week, unless it's a token amount.
6:55 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bears Week

So now that there seems to be a consensus to move Bear Week to the off season,
how can it be made to happen?

Consensus???  The only consensus to move bear week to the off season is in your
mind.  The Bears, just like most everyone else prefer the summer for their
ramblings.  Face it, we are now on the Bears migratory route for July.  The
Bears by the thousands have come to a consensus and they will continue to
migrate this way every July for the foreseeable future.

Why must you take everything good and make it sour.  Bears are good for
business. Business is good for the town.  Without business there are no jobs. 
Without jobs there is no year round population.
6:54 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

A statement earlier is INCORRECT , VSB monies are not tax dollars from any
taxpayer of Provincetown. The VSB grant monies are derived from ROOMS TAX
revenues generated by inns and hotels PERIOD, so pay attention. Also much of
those funds derived from hotels and inns are funneled into a Capital Improvement
fund to pay for Municipal cars, trucks, trash pick up etc. thus lessening the
burden on Taxpayers, maybe you should be thanking the inns and hotels in
Provincetown for that would be a nice KUDO instead of false information.
6:51 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

"Mr. Motta Runs eleven adult programs out of the recreation center."



There are 2 treadmills, and one he has left unrepaired for almost a
year.  When are you going to get the treadmill repaired?????
6:49 pm edt 

Friday, July 25, 2014

Re: Theme Weeks

RE:  "Why should a certain group be allowed to
overrun an entire tourist destination during the busy summer?"



Because it's a free country!  Have you ever been to any of the spring break
destinations during spring break?  You should seed what those towns go through
and be thankful those kids don't decide to party on up here.

One thing I would like to see an end to is all the bachelorette groups haunting
the town.  Talk about hogging the dance floor.
8:14 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

So now that there seems to be a consensus to move Bear Week to the off
season, how can it be made to happen? Maybe if the VSB stopped funding these
events with our tax dollars it would be a good start.
8:12 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

To the person that states some people do not understand how a tourist
town with a short season operates,  many do understand: soak the public for 12
weeks then soak the tax payers for benefits the rest of the year.
8:07 pm edt 

High Costs and Fewer Tourists
 
"I recently visited ptown . The cheapest place to stay was
$300 a night."



Totally inaccurate.   There are at least a dozen places to stay right in the
central area for approximately $100 per night.
8:06 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

With the responses to people.who do not agree with bear week in July
are so mean. Nice way to bully someone to not come here at all. This town
doesn't need to cater to any category, be it bear week or baby dyke week, this
is not only a gay destination, maybe that worked when you needed to find revenue
but this town is for everyone. I have seen such a diverse group of people this
summer and I think it's amazing. You cannot tell someone to not come here when
the bears are here. Who the heck do you think you are? When these "theme weeks"
run dry who do you think will be coming to Provincetown? The hoards of us
regular tourist who have been coming here way longer than the bears.
7:57 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

"Tough luck, girls."

Well really, how dare a few 'girls' express contrary opinions about bears, aka
'real men'. How macho of you. I'll just shutter up in my house until they go
back to their caves. No problem.
2:55 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

Instead of suggesting the to rest of the world how to survive Bear
Week ("just don't come"), have the bears control their behavior. Or perhaps the
visitors bureau needs to be made aware of how the hundreds of a specific group
come in and make the town their play land. And not in a good way either.  As a
20+ resident, I've been around for a lot of bear weeks. This one was unbearable.
Move it to a shoulder season. Win-win.
2:34 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

The issues that the queens seem to have with the bears are becoming
obvious. A huge majority of town businesses are grateful for the bears. Tough
luck, girls.
1:46 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

I am a tourist who has been coming to town since 1979.  This year my
trip coincided with Bear Week.  I'm not a Bear, but what a nice group of guys. 
Polite, friendly, happy, just a real pleasure to be around.  I had a chance to
talk to many of them at the guesthouse where I was staying and just had a
wonderful time.

I may actually consider coming so part of my trip is during that week next year.
1:44 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

RE  "I am your typical tourist who has been coming into town during
July since the 1980s. This year, my trip coincided with bear week. It will be
the last time. I did not enjoy getting muscled off the dance floors by
over-enthusiastic, sweaty partiers or getting run over when they charged down
Commercial Street or into stores. Why should a certain group be allowed to
overrun an entire tourist destination during the busy summer?"



Sorry to hear you were muscled off dance floors and run over by charging bears
in the streets and shops of our fine town.  It would seem you need to be a
little more assertive in public spaces for your own safety.  Did you file a
police report after being run over (at least once in the street and once in a
store if your story is to be believed)?

Next year plan ahead.  The town and its businesses dont revolve around your
schedule.  The bear thing is planned and announced way in advance.  Next year,
look it up online before booking your trip and plan accordingly.  If you want
near empty dance floors, streets and shops may I suggest you book your trip in
on of the shoulder seasons or any weeknight during a non-theme week. The town
needs your business during those times more than a well attended theme week.  In
any case, since you wont be coming back on Bear Week ("it will be the last
time"), Id say your problem is solved.

In closing, If you think the business owners in town are more concerned with one
typical tourist versus thousands of free spending Bears having fun, you dont
understand how a tourist town with a short season operates.
1:43 pm edt 

High Costs and Fewer Tourists

I recently visited ptown . The cheapest place to stay was
$300 a night. I ate at bubula,s for $25. Plus tip.
You don't need to analyze too hard to find your answer as to
why there are fewer tourists on the street. Provincetown is
not a destination for the middle class anymore.
1:39 pm edt 

Having Power Does Not Mean You Can do Whatever You Want

The OBs has authority but it is restrained by laws. Just because they want to
see the resumes of candidates does not mean at this point they can or should.
there are rules and guidance is needed. I understand how frustrated the Search
committee must be. it is not the job of the OBs to look through these
applications when they have instituted a Search Committee. It is the Search
Committee that brings to the BOs the five or six candidates they are selected.

Restrain yourselves. Because you want something does not mean you can have it.

this shows inexperience and arrogance. I hope there is a lesson that the BOS
learn from this. but will they?
1:35 pm edt 

Re: Hiring a New Town Manager

"Looks like we're well on our way to hiring another crappy town
manager. Whose brilliant idea was it to put a former library trustee in charge
of the search committee?"


Job as former library trustee.
Evaluation:  Fail

Job as chair of town manager search committee.
Evaluation:  Fail

And her next job will be as a member of the finance committee.  Does anyone
think these things out?
10:47 am edt 

Re: Lewd Behavior

Aw, put a sock in it. Townies were griping about this in exactly the same terms
50, even 60 years ago. Excerpts from stories about it occasionally turn up in the
Banner's Archives column. They're a hoot to read. Your complaints, not so much,
because they fail to recognize that naughtiness is a timeless quality of our
little corner of the world. That point seems to be lost amid the salivating over
the new, "sleek and upscale" (i.e., whitebread) P'town.
10:02 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

I am your typical tourist who has been coming into town during July
since the 1980s. This year, my trip coincided with bear week. It will be the
last time. I did not enjoy getting muscled off the dance floors by
over-enthusiastic, sweaty partiers or getting run over when they charged down
Commercial Street or into stores. Why should a certain group be allowed to
overrun an entire tourist destination during the busy summer?
10:00 am edt 

Re: Recreational Director

"Mr. Motta Runs eleven adult programs out of the recreation center."

If running an adult program means giving a room to someone who needs a place to
hold their activity, you don't need a $50,000'a year town administrator to do
this. And the one thing he's dully accountable for, the gym room, is a piece of
crap.  There are 2 treadmills, and one he has left unrepaired for almost a
year.  With greater vision, leadership and self-i initiative, that place could
be run much better.
9:58 am edt 

Some Businesses are Suffering

There is much talk in town about how few tourists are here in the week. Maybe
they are here on weekends but on the whole, they are hardly eating at our
restaurants and hardly taking rooms in our guests houses.

Something is different. Why? We have yet to analyze this!
9:55 am edt 

Was This Carrie Notaro?

She was a       of     . but she is gone. good. she had few ideas and her
absence is not missed.
9:52 am edt 

Thursday, July 24, 2014

Re: Recreation Director

Mr. Motta Runs eleven adult programs out of the recreation center.  He also runs
multiple programs for children in Provincetown.  The programs are EASILY
researchable on Provincetowns website.  He earns every dime of his paycheck
every day and is passionately involved in the Provincetown community.  He is a
professional that is open to any suggestion to enrich the towns culture through
the recreation department.  He truly is a passionate contributor to Provincetown
and I have seen his good work.  If you have questions about him I urge you to go
have one conversation with Mr. Brandon Motta at the recreation dept.  Your
opinion will change quickly.  He does everything he can with the budget that he
is allotted each year.
9:58 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing Slight of Hand

Yes,you are correct about ptown being slick and upscale,
And ptown is not the first community ruin by condo craziness.
They came,they bought and like other towns,they changed it to
Fit themselves. How sad for ptown.
4:07 pm edt 

Hiring a New Town Manager

Looks like we're well on our way to hiring another crappy town
manager. Whose brilliant idea was it to put a former library trustee in charge
of the search committee?  Has ANYONE been paying attention to that fiasco?  Why
don't you just ask lyn Kratz and Mick Rudd to choose the new TM?  They'll
probably choose               and then we can get right down to the business of
firing her.
4:05 pm edt 

Adult Programs at Rec Department

Go to the Recreation Department tab on the town website, then click Adult
Programs.    If you can read you will see there are quite a few programs listed
there.
12:51 pm edt 

Affording Nice Things

If you do not spend your money on frivolous things like cigarettes, alcohol, gas
gazing vehicles, you can afford to nice things and go places.  If you spend your
spare time working side jobs or producing art instead of worrying about how or
why someone else is getting by you can obtain extra money, or barter, or look
for bargains.
12:49 pm edt 

Affordable Housing Slight of Hand

How is that these folks living here for years and taking trips hither and yon
and paying their rent and going out and about--and suddenly are eligible for
affordable housing?

People want to live here and they have a right to live here and if they are able
to buy a condo and make Provincetown a part of their life, more power to them.

The powers that be CAN NEVER "un-condo" Provincetown. You can't forbid people
from turning the multi-family homn affordable unit ores into condos either. You
can't tell people to make a unit a section 8 unit or to rent below market value.

The tax breaks are a joke. You want property owners to take a hit and to rent
below market rate. More and more may go summer only after hearing how some
winter rentals were wrecked by people who stayed at some establishments over the
winter. The police were called, apartments were ruined etc.

If you only build low income housing--how are these people going to keep the
economy going? Paying over ten dollars for a cocktail? $25 for a pizza? Paying
$80.00 each to go out for a date night dinner at one of the upscale restaurants?

Provincetown has become upscale and gentrified and you can't undo it. You can't
take a cut worm that has turned into a butterfly and turn it back into a cut
worm again.

You can't take our Provincetown and turn it back into the funky place our
parents talk about. It is sleek and chic and upscale.
11:54 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

I agree with previous posters, theme weeks should not be promoted in
July or August, save Carnival. The town as a whole was subjected to a lot of
inappropriate behavior with bear week. Now comes family week, why really why?
The VSB should not allow a business owner to vote on grant funding for events
that directly benefit his establishment, more so than any other place in town.
11:50 am edt 

Route 6 - Shankpainter Intersection

Yesterday , at Rte.6 & Shankpainted, there was almost
an accident , because Hardley anyone stops at the stop sign. I think the police
should watch this intersection. Very dangerous situation.
11:48 am edt 

Re: Recreation Director

"Mr Motta does an excellent job for the children and adults in the
town."

Can someone enlighten me about the excellent things Mr. Motta does for the
adults in this town, please.
11:47 am edt 

Re: Carrie Turner

"A Provincetown citizen, parent and proud supporter of the Provincetown
Recreation Program."


"This from a former die-hard member of the school board who said THE HIGH SCHOOL
WILL NEVER CLOSE.

Look how THAT ended up."



Ha ha ha, this is comical, I have known Carrie for years and she was NEVER on
any school board, and whose daughter was in the last graduating class at PHS.
She never said the high school would never close. Sign your name next time       
so people can see who is spreading lies. The only thing I know Carrie to be a
die hard fan of is her children and the truth. Wrong Carrie perhaps? Very nice
of you to ASSUME you know what you are talking about. haha
11:45 am edt 

Wednesday, July 23, 2014

Re: School Committee

I do not remember a Carrie Turner on school committee. I remember a Carrie
Notaro and a Kerry Adams.  Does anyone ever fact check on here?
That being said Mr Motta does an excellent job for the children and adults in
the town.
11:09 pm edt 

Affordable Housing Recipients

By the time the affordable housing gets built, the main beneficiaries of this
housing will be the growing children of the summer workers who now live here
year round.

They live together in a house so they have a cheap rent, work more than one job
so they are sacking away money and bringing their kids here to live too.

Down the road, it is these kids who will be living in the affordable housing.

11:08 pm edt 

Provincetown High School

Does anyone know why a private landscaper mows the high school lawn?
Why doesnt the DPW do it?
11:06 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bears

"Re: They are here to have fun and they are much nicer and more
intelligent than the average tourists."



Not to mention small minded mean spirited townies.
11:04 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"RE: This is absolute bull. Just because you say something, doesn't make it true.
I've lived here for over 20 years and I never recall seeing this lull in tourism
you are describing. I was out on the streets today, a Tuesday during a non theme
week and the streets were full of people. The restaurants were bustling. All the
town lots were full...Don't invent "facts" to support your opinion."


One hot day in the middle of summer does not make a season or a trend.  Dont
conflate anecdotal evidence from a single day with empirical evidence of a
trend.  It seems you my dear are the one inventing facts or jumping to
conclusions based on insufficient information.  Why dont you contact the parking
department and get some real trend info for the past ten years, then make a
statement based on empirical evidence instead of just looking out the window at
a particular moment in time to support your already formed position and then
using that anecdote to attack others who express opinions.
11:02 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Facing Reality

"Oh, stop with the Reagan-speak. Business owners constantly insist
that ALL of us benefit from theme weeks and the hundreds of oblivious tourists
that lumber about town. What bull.The only thing that's tricking down is the
food supply at Stop and Shop."


Trickle down economics are not the driving force that Reagan said, but in PT if
we don't have tourists we don't have jobs.  Then all that live here are the
parttimers and the few needed to serve their needs.  The stores close.  The
restaurants are boarded.  Taxes dry up.  Roads fall apart.  Streets are filthy
and non and on.

PT is no longer a fishing village.  PT is no longer a funky art mecca.  PT is a
little of all of them.  PT is a living museum of a series of pasts.  That is the
reality. Deal with it.  Live it or leave it.
10:57 pm edt 

Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Re: Theme Weeks

"Have you heard of trickle-down economics??"

Oh, stop with the Reagan-speak. Business owners constantly insist that ALL of us
benefit from theme weeks and the hundreds of oblivious tourists that lumber
about town. What bull.The only thing that's tricking down is the food supply at
Stop and Shop.
11:20 pm edt 

Re: Carrie Turner

"A Provincetown citizen, parent and proud supporter of the Provincetown
Recreation Program."


This from a former die-hard member of the school board who said THE HIGH SCHOOL
WILL NEVER CLOSE.

Look how THAT ended up.

9:29 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

Bear week is not just about money. These gentleman are just that, very well
organized very polite and well,organized. I would rather have bear week all
year. They are respectful,  they don't litter, they are here to have fun and
they are much nicer and more intelligent than the average tourists.
9:27 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"Re: About ten years ago things started to slow down. Maybe its because
it got expensive to stay here, maybe its because there are many other options
for vacationers. I dont know. I only now that for about the last ten years or so
with the exception of the theme weeks (especially Bear Week) the streets are
sparsely filled except on WEEKENDS."


This is absolute bull. Just because you say something, doesn't make it true.
I've lived here for over 20 years and I never recall seeing this lull in tourism
you are describing. I was out on the streets today, a Tuesday during a non theme
week and the streets were full of people. The restaurants were bustling. All the
town lots were full.

Don't invent "facts" to support your opinion. Sounds like maybe you're one of
the businesses that is raking in the dough during theme weeks. Well, good for
you. But plenty of us aren't so pleased with the town overrun by large men
behaving in a lewd manner.
9:25 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

"Also, for a group to embrace obesity as being a good thing
is reckless."



That is the funniest thing I have read all day!  The bears are a reflection of
most middle-aged people and most middle-aged people are overweight.  Bears tend
to be attracted to older, hairier, bearded, heavier men.  That does not make
them reckless.  Not everyone is attracted to young, skinny, hairless men.
9:22 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Theme weeks sh
ould only be during the off and shoulder seasons.  It
really is ruining this town.  I too remember before there were theme weeks and
it was so much nicer.
9:20 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Ok, so we have a debate here about what theme weeks we should have and
when.  How about listing some thoughts in some sort of preferred order?  Or
maybe some would prefer to have none at all.  Others may want the seashore to
buy the whole place and tear it all down.  Try to be realistic with your list
and leave out stuff like fostering obesity (I know plenty of very fit bears.

Give it a shot!! Try to be reasonable and defend your thoughts.
9:17 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Bear Week

Bear week does not need to be in July, the town would be full with out
it. I am as gay as the next guy but that week has become way to inappropriate
even for this town. Also, for a group to embrace obesity as being a good thing
is reckless.
2:38 pm edt 

Re: Stop Signs at Ryder and Bradford

"If you install stop signs, then take them away, then put them back
all the whim of each board of selectmen, people will sue."



So true. when they installed the stop signs and people were not used to them
being there, cars just sped on thru almost causing accidents, and then now take
them away and people will stop and probably/will cause accidents. stupid in my
opinion. they work, why take them away? and don't say people should look where
they are going, when you have something there/or not there for so long people
become accustomed to it. love how the bos just love to spend the tax dollars
money. take them away and pay to have a report to see if they work. dumb, and
dumber
2:36 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"RE: The ridiculous attempts to defend theme weeks make me laugh. I have lived here
for years. MANY years. Long before theme weeks. And you know what?  Tourists
always came in the summer."



Sure tourists always came in the summer.  They just dont come as much as they
used to.  I too have lived here (late spring through halloween) for many years,
certainly before Bear Week existed.  There were always theme weeks some official
and some not since Ive been here.

Id say about 12 years ago the town was always booming from July 4th through
Labor Day.  We had crowded streets, bars and restaurants ALL WEEK LONG.  If you
didnt get into the A-house  for a dance by 10:00PM on any night of the week you
might not get in without a long wait in a long line or at all.   Seriously there
was always a line down the street waiting to get in Monday, Tuesday Wednesday
Thursday, every day.

About ten years ago things started to slow down.  Maybe its because it got
expensive to stay here, maybe its because there are many other options for
vacationers.  I dont know.  I only now that for about the last ten years or so
with the exception of the theme weeks (especially Bear Week) the streets are
sparsely filled except on WEEKENDS.

Its no longer an all week/all summer boom town, its now a WEEKENDS ONLY boom
except for the Bears and Carnival.    I say bring on the theme weeks.  If they
could only be as successful as Bear and Carnival Weeks our economy would be
doing much better.
2:34 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Defending theme weeks is a joke. You cannot defend some of them when I
know most people here do not like family week. Ha ha. "they don't spend money"
or "Too many strollers" Same goes for baby dyke week.  Just admit, you like bear
week cause they spend money. that's the bottom line. Greedy greedy,
2:29 pm edt 

Re: Stop Signs at Ryder and Bradford

"If you install stop signs, then take them away, then put them back
all the whim of each board of selectmen, people will sue."



Like so many other posts here, this is silly.  Why sue?  What is the reason?  Of
course, people can sue. And, they will.  So what.  We do nothing because we may
be sued?  We do something because we may be sued?   What a great life.  Tell us
exactly why you used the word "whim".  Define whim in your context.

So, by your reasoning, people will sue if you put up stop signs.  They will sue
if you take them down.  They will sue if you put them back.  Does this have
anything to do with traffic control, or is it that some people like signs and
some don't?

If there are no accidents at an intersection, then stop signs are put up and
still there are no accidents so you take them down and still no accidents,
people will sue because the BOS is whimish?
2:27 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"So a number of businesses rake in a ton of dinero during bear week.
The rest of us shrink while they muck about town. But it's treason to suggest
theme weeks are obnoxious and over-taxing because hey, cash."



Have you heard of trickle-down economics??  Let's be clear, every single
resident and second homeowner benefits from Bear Week.   It brings between $25
and $30 million to this town.   It keeps folks employed, and keeps taxes lower
than they would be otherwise.   It's called a trade-off, and not a bad one at
that, given we trade-off one week of the year to afford to say year-round.
10:29 am edt 

Re: Stop Signs at Ryder and Bradford

"Kidding, right?
Since when can people sue because there are not stop signs at
every intersection that has an accident?"


If you install stop signs, then take them away, then put them back all the whim
of each board of selectmen, people will sue.
10:26 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Theme weeks can be obnoxious,but if the town needs the revenue have
then in the shoulder season when we do need more business. July and August
should be for everyone without compartmentalizing society.
9:49 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"RE:  have to agree with that last post - it's getting out of hand. The
bear themed events specifically are getting really disruptive. Lets face it:
these guys, while generally well behaved, are big and take up a lot of space. In
restaurants, bars, on the streetsit makes life pretty uncomfortable for those
who are here to simply enjoy the town. And the Stop & Shop was running out of
food all week long.  And yeah, all so a few big businesses can turn a huge
profit."


So let me get this straight, youre complaint is that the bear theme week is
bringing in lots of business and filling up our bars, restaurants and
supermarkets.  You left off our guest houses, hotels, motels and shops.
Isnt filling up our bars, restaurants, hotels and shops the whole idea in our
tourism driven economy?

If by a few big businesses making profits you mean all the restaurants bars,
hotels and guest houses, whats wrong with that?  Id like to hear one real
business owner who resents theme weeks bringing in business.  Maybe there is a
weight watchers group that resents the bears but like it or not Bear Week has
become one of the biggest boons to our tourist based economy beating July 4th
easily and rivaling if not surpassing carnival.  Maybe a bear parade could seal
the deal and guarantee a carnival topping week of economic activity.

Maybe you were inconvenienced because you didnt plan ahead make reservations for
your favorite eateries.  Maybe to make it easier for you we could limit the
number of tourist who can enter our town on any given week so that you can show
up without reservations wherever and whenever you want. Or maybe youre just a
troll trying to instigate vitriol.

In any case, wake up and smell the coffee.  In a tourism based economy, getting
tourists here to spend money is the primary goal in order to sustain jobs,
generate tax revenue and promote a healthy economic situation.
9:17 am edt 

The Posts are Mind Numbing!

Who has a more obnoxious ego and opinion of themselves Groll, Hatch or Hoort??
90% of what has been posted regarding these guys has obviously been posted by
one of them against one of the others. 100% has been passed over by many in here
including me. Can you say micromanaging control freaks much?
9:12 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

So a number of businesses rake in a ton of dinero during bear week.
The rest of us shrink while they muck about town. But it's treason to suggest
theme weeks are obnoxious and over-taxing because hey, cash.
9:10 am edt 

Re: Recreation Director

I an sorry to say but I believe there are more signatures to get rid of him then
keeping him.
9:09 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

The ridiculous attempts to defend theme weeks make me laugh. I have
lived here for years. MANY years. Long before theme weeks. And you know what?
Tourists always came in the summer. They always came and they always spent
money. It's what happens in a resort town. Always has, always will. All theme
weeks do is compartmentalize what used to be a gay community and alienate those
who don't care for the theme.

Oh, and as another post stated, they make lots of money for a SELECT FEW
businesses.
8:56 am edt 

Monday, July 21, 2014

Re: Theme Weeks

Re: Theme Weeks


"I have to agree with that last post - it's getting way out of hand. The bear
themed events specifically are getting really disruptive."



Dear Disrupted:

Given the tremendous boost Bear Week brings to the town, you should not be
worried about disruption. What you need to fucus on is a big push. I have the
perfect suggestion: take triple Maloxx and head to Fanizzi's big ole Bear
Brunch.  Enough bacon to . oops gotta go!

Love, Darla

9:59 pm edt 

Re: P'town Man to Climb Kilimanjaro to Fight Cancer

" He has somehow managed to get others to pay for his vacation in
Africa. But wait, it gets better he is saying it is a tax deductible
contribution so all taxpayers are contributing to his deluxe vacation.  Well
played SPH!"


Raising personal hatred to a new level.  Does it have any boundaries?
9:56 pm edt 

Re: Stop Signs at Ryder and Bradford

"I hope the towns legal budget is well funded, we are going to need it
after the first accident"



Kidding, right?  Since when can people sue because there are not stop signs at
every intersection that has an accident?

No stop signs at Bradford and Standish where there are a lot more people and
cars.  None at Shankpainter (both ways)  None at ConweLl on Bradford.

Stop with the constant anti stuff.
9:54 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

"Start a petition to fire him and I will start one to keep him. The
parents in this town will prevail on this one.

Carrie Turner
A Provincetown citizen, parent and proud supporter of the Provincetown
Recreation Program"



God loves people like Carrie who value the truth and will stand up for it. We
have your back.
9:52 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

I am absolutely horrified by the comments made against our
Provincetown Rec Director.  Mr. Motta is a wonderful director and seems to live
for his job and the children who attend.  My son has been going to the Rec
afterschool program and the summer program for 4 years now and he loves it.
Brandon has shown tremendous dedication to the children.  He and his staff he
directs are all wonderful and I have NEVER seen any laziness on anyones part.
The children that attend, love going to Rec.  My son has a stutter and has
always been supported by every staff member including Brandon as there is an
anti bullying policy there. (SOMETHING THEY SHOULD HAVE ON MYPACC) Brandon also
runs the sports programs as well which my son participates in during the school
year.  Brandon is always with the children playing flag football, soccer,
basketball and baseball.

Another thing to consider is that not all the children that attend the program
have fathers or father figures in their lives and Brandon is a great role model
to many of the children.
To have ONE parade cancelled because we had extreme storms that day and for
people to get so irate and rude and blast this man on an anonymous site is the
most childish thing to do. Complaining on Mypacc will not solve anything.
Involve yourselves in a better manner.

I have never been more ashamed to live in a town where people are writing, "fire
him" "hire someone new" especially when I read that the parade is his "one" job. 
He has many, I just listed a FEW of them.

Start a petition to fire him and I will start one to keep him. The parents in
this town will prevail on this one.

Carrie Turner
A Provincetown citizen, parent and proud supporter of the Provincetown
Recreation Program
8:09 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort Should Go!

Get rid of the Last bad apple and [in] this town


I would not have said it this way but totally agree with point made.
8:04 pm edt 

Stop Signs at Ryder and Bradford

The televised selectmens meeting from last week re: the removal of stop signs
was a perfect example of how the new board will work.  Dr. Andrews was the only
smart one who did not want to remove the stop signs without a traffic study. 
Mr. Anthony was hesitant but ultimately agreed.  R. Richter was the proponent
because it helps his business. He feels traffic is slowed down needlessly.
Faster traffic means more cab fares.  His cousin agreed.  The chairman agreed. 
I believe the motion that passed was to remove the stop signs on Bradford, then
after a traffic study is completed they will put them back if recommended. This
board is a disaster waiting to happen. I hope the towns legal budget is well
funded, we are going to need it after the first accident, Lets hope is not a
pedestrian being hit by a taxi.
Concerned about safety.
8:01 pm edt 

P'town Man to Climb Kilimanjaro to Fight Cancer

July 16, 2014 2:00 AM
PROVINCETOWN  Provincetown businessman Sean Patrick Harrington will begin a
climb of Mount Kilimanjaro
in Tanzania, Africa, on Saturday to help raise $1 million for the American
Academy of Dermatology's SPOT Skin
Cancer campaign.Kilimanjaro is the highest mountain in Africa and one of the
largest volcanoes in the world.



Someone get this guy back on FinCom. He has somehow managed to get others to pay
for his vacation in Africa. But wait, it gets better he is saying it is a tax
deductible contribution so all taxpayers are contributing to his deluxe
vacation.  Well played SPH!
7:57 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions! - Long Post

This is a long post, but clears up the questions regarding OPEB, the
FinCom Chair and the Finance Director.

Vincent Currier: 'It is obvious that the Finance Director is actively taking a
political position and aggressively injecting himself into town politics."

Louise R Silver: When was Finance Dir. aware that travel expenses of candidates
for town mgr were not in budget? That FinCom was not made aware of this deficit
and need for transfer of funds till July 15th - does seem more than
serendipitous. Who is responsible for not making these travel expenses a line
item in the budget?

Mark Hatch: Louise that's a whole other story! But I honestly was in quite a
conundrum with this one. I urge you all to remember the magic number of 357,000
which is the amount we're going to write the warrant for come Fall Town Meeting
(which is the original number on the line item, NOT the original number minus
the 95,000). That was my point of clarification so that we had this assurance to
go back on. Now on the money to reimburse expenses....can you imagine having
them here TWICE? It's 2014, did someone on the select committee forget that?
Train wreck.

Louise R Silver: It's only been in the past year, with the diligence of FinCom,
that citizens have become aware of being about 14 million dollars in debt.
Citizens voted at Town Meeting to fund OPEB annually by $357,000 for 2004. The
messaging should remain clear to all town people - that the result of this vote
will be realized - and not muddled.

Vincent Currier: EXACTLY, Louise!

Mark Hatch: I agree Louise and Vincent, it was a conundrum for me as you saw if
you saw the meeting. Frankly I heard the "raise taxes" talk and I didn't want to
see that train coming down the track. Had we had more time, I would have
suggested the Finance Director go back and move money from other accounts that
were over-funded but, to Mike's point, we didn't have time because the memo was
written on the 7th and there we were on the last day. So I'm assuming it was
just easier (because of the 3% rule) to use the largest line item to move the
money from in one action. But overall it just muddies the whole OPEB thing up so
it wasn't the best way to do it.

Vincent Currier: I think citizens are tired of political double speak....do what
we vote on to be done, don't confuse the issue. That was the point, and if it
didn't make any difference in the bottom line as Hoort said, then leave it the
way it was voted at town meeting....exactly as voted, no detours, then voters
won't question it, or be fooled ten years down the road. He is injecting
himself, obviously, into town politics, that should be checked by his supervisor
or the BOS, And soon, it's poisonous.

Dieter Groll: No doubt that between now and Town Meeting, Hoort will turn around
and lay the blame of this at the feet of FinComm,

Dan Hoort: So let's use this as an educational opportunity. Both for me and
everyone else. Mark, can you point me to the FinCom vote, BOS vote or town
meeting vote where anyone ever stated we were going to use any unused money in
the health insurance budget to put additional funds into the OPEB trust fund? I
honestly do not recall that decision ever being made.

Dan Hoort: 2nd. I sent an e-mail to the FinCom chair in late June telling him
the FinCom would need to have a meeting between July 10th an the 15th to approve
the year-end transfers. The FinCom chair selected the 15th because he wanted to
vote after the BOS voted at their regularly scheduled meeting on the 14th. This
has been done this way for a number of years so I didn't do anything differently
this year. I don't know the final amounts for budget transfers until the last
warrant checks are cut for FY14. This year the last warrant was finalized on the
7th. As soon as the BOS voted their approval on Monday night the document was
sent to the FinCom.

Dan Hoort: 3rd Louise while I understand you want to jump on the bandwagon and
blame me for everything the town has not reimbursed job interview travel
expenses in the past, I'm not sure how I ever would have known they wanted to do
it differently this time around.

Dan Hoort: 4th Louise, your post with $357,000, 2004, $14,000,000, town voted to
fund OPEB annually by $357,000 - every point you made is incorrect. The town
meeting vote did one thing only with OPEB. The town will include funding for
OPEB beginning with the FY 15 budget with a goal of fully funding OPEB in 25
years. That's all that was voted on for OPEB, nothing else.

Dan Hoort: Folks, you can like or dislike me, it doesn't matter all that much to
me. But, if you want to have a discussion about town finances please stick to
the facts. And if I forget something or make a mistake I have no problem when
it's pointed out to me.

Mark Hatch: Dan I think they're referring to article 17 from last town meeting
and that kicks in in FY15. Since this is FY14, we should fund OPEB at the same
rate this year. So if we have an overage in the Employee Benefits account, it
makes sense for us to use that to fund OPEB since it is retiree benefits...same
difference. On the request to reimburse expeneses, I agree that Dan has about as
much knowledge of that as the rest of us. And it was voted down by the BOS so,
honestly, that's out of his ballpark as it is ours.

Mark Hatch: Btw, can someone tell me why funding our retirement benefits at a
reasonable level is controversial? I've been watching this conversation since
before I was on Fincom and I'm still mystified (as obviously were the voters) as
to why funding our pension liabilities isn't a good idea. I would think that,
given what the auditor's report said about it, we'd all want to be sure that
we're not leaving a giant hole for future taxpayers to have to fill. It's just
good government, why is it such a vicious fight all the time?

Louise R Silver: Dan, I appreciate your comments. I asked who is responsible for
making the line item in the budget regarding reimbursement of travel expenses
for town mgr candidates. There was no bandwagon involved. And because of the
seemingly non-transparency of ...See More

Dan Hoort: Mark, I don't look at OPEB funding as controversial, but I do think
we need to look at how to have a dedicated source of funding for it such as an
operating override. I fear, I can almost predict it, that when the budget gets
tight it is the first thing people will look at. Until the town commits to a
dedicated funding source it's always going to be an easy target.

Dan Hoort: Mark, I hope you can understand my surprise at the controversy in
that the motion from article 17 makes no mention of FY14 and specifically does
reference 'beginning in FY 15'. The year-end transfer from the unexpended health
insurance budget is something that has been done every year since I've been here
and years before me so I was very surprised when it became an issue this year.
7:51 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

I have to agree with that last post - it's getting
out of hand. The bear themed events specifically are getting really disruptive.
Lets face it: these guys, while generally well behaved, are big and take up a
lot of space. In restaurants, bars, on the streets, and often wearing attire
that is pretty inappropriate for public spaces and the eyes of children (yes
folks, children still come here!) It makes life pretty uncomfortable for those
who are here to simply enjoy the town. And the Stop & Shop was running out of
food all week long.

And yeah, all so a few big businesses can turn a huge profit.
7:49 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

"The last post tries to rewrite history by quoting from the 2015 plan
for OPEB. The 2014 commitment called for using all of the budgeted health monies
and free cash. Making things up indeed!  the independent consultants recommend a
sum certain amount be used for funding retiree and current health care costs."


Again, where?  where is the commitment for 2014?  How much did we commit and how
much did we put in for FY 14?  And just so you know FY 14 is closed, done,
finished.  You can not do anything with FY 14, we are now in FY 15.

You can repeat the same mis-information over and over, it still will be wrong.
7:46 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Conflict of Interest

"He is, as some have posted, in conflict. He is on the Charter
commission and he is a town paid, town employee. He is changing the charter to
maximize his interests. This is plain and simple---illegal."



Two possibilities here:
1) you are stupid
2) you are a deceitful liar

He is on the Charter Enforcement Committee.  Thet have NO POWER to CHANGE the
Charter.  The Charter Review Committee can make recommendations to change it,
but ONLY town meeting can actually vote to change it.
7:44 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

I Agree No More theme Weeks but One More

The worms will leave when the rotten apple is thrown out of town hall. So how
about a one day theme: Rotten Apple Day.
7:41 pm edt 

Theme Weeks

Theme weeks benefit everyone. Did you see the hoards of bears carrying shopping
bags full of stuff and art pieces going on the the boats this Saturday? I did!!
That does not include the other throngs of them who came by car and air.  I am
sorry that this post does not fit with the glass half empty mentality of this
blog. Theme weeks work and work well.
7:40 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

It would appear a pattern is developing here.  Say anything against
the FinCom and one will be subject to viscous attacks.  See Town employee Brian
Carlson who dared to say he felt he witnessed an open meeting law violation. 
See town employee Dan Hoort who dared to stand up against the FinCom chair and
disagree with his stance on year-end transfers.

It begs the question.  Do you want town employees who speak up when they see
something wrong or do you want town employees who remain silent when they feel
they've seen something wrong?
7:37 pm edt 

Sunday, July 20, 2014

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

"Prior to the last Town Meeting FinCom agreed to hold the Employee Fund and OPEB reserves sacrosanct against future raids to balance end of year budgets. The funding of OPEB 2015 was approved at Town Meeting based on this understanding and was lauded by the Department of Revenue and Standard and Poor's."

FinCom spent many hours developing a strategy which would put the funding of OPEB (Other Post Employment Benefits) on a sound footing, which would assure the town's meeting its future obligations, while paying down the outstanding portion of unfunded prior payments on a gradual basis.

The proposed budgeting methodology was based on building into the annual budgeting process the regular payment of OPEB obligations, as opposed to depending on the availability of free cash which by happenstance might be available at the end of the fiscal year. This was approved as a nonbinding resolution at the October Special Town Meeting 

http://ec4.cc/sc92f7b9
10:34 pm edt 

Saturday, July 19, 2014

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

Re: "The $357,000 is the number, as was asked several times by Fincom
for clarification during the meeting. Watch the WHOLE meeting, not part of it. So
when this comes up in the fall the number is $357,000 in this FY14 to transfer.
So let's not overthink this or fight about it, just remember the number for this
year."


Having watched the entire meeting it's amazing how much mis-information gets out
there.  To begin with it isn't $357,000, the finance director said a number of
times it was $352,000.  So don't remember the # listed naive because it's wrong.

It's been asked over and over, when did the town, the BOS, or the FinCom ever
agree to do this?
10:05 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

"A.) Beginning in FY 15, funding for the town's OPEB trust fund will become part
of the operating budget and the long term goal will be to fully fund the
outstanding OPEB liability over 25 years."


The last post tries to rewrite history by quoting from the 2015 plan
for OPEB. The 2014 commitment called for using all of the budgeted health monies
and free cash. Making things up indeed!  the independent consultants recommend a
sum certain amount be used for funding retiree and current health care costs.

Unless we fund the remaining amount that was not used on 2014 health care (ie
$350,000 more) we will NOT be meeting our goal or the recommendation.  The
Finance Director lies again. Not surprising since he spent months on here trying
to lie about the total OPEB liability originally.
9:53 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

Article 17 was printed in the warrant with 5 different pieces.  The finance
committee themselves changed the article to say the budget would increase 2.5% a
year and

A.) Beginning in FY 15...

This is FY 14. So in order to do what we did LAST year, and what we will do NEXT
year, we have to simply transfer the original $357,000 to OPEB in a warrant.
NEXT year this will automatically kick in as defined in article 14.

The $357,000 is the number, as was asked several times by Fincom for
clarification during the meeting. Watch the WHOLE meeting, not part of it. So
when this comes up in the fall the number is $357,000 in this FY14 to transfer.
So let's not overthink this or fight about it, just remember the number for this
year.
9:51 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort Should Go!

Get rid of the Last bad apple

and this town will do well. throw him out and the rest of the apples will
thrive.
9:46 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

"If they  held to their principles and did not allow the BOs to raid
the rainyday fund, then the tax payers would see an increase in their taxes.
Dan Hoort could have brought this issue up weeks ago but waited until there
was no time for other options. but if the finance committee allowed the BOs to
raid the rainy day fund, then it would be voting against its principles. the Finance
Committee is committed to this fund yet they had to vote against their goals due
to Hortism."


Can you tell us one thing that Hoort did that prevents the FinCom from putting
money into OPEB?  As I understand it the amount of free cash will be unchanged
by this FinCom vote.  The amount of money unspent from the original health
insurance budget will remain unchanged.  How does anything that happened change
anything?   The finance director and BOS didn't raid the trust fund as
incorrectly stated at the meeting.
9:44 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

It seems the chair has a very short memory.  I just found article 17
from the October 2013 town meeting.

Article 17 was printed in the warrant with 5 different pieces.  The finance
committee themselves changed the article to say the budget would increase 2.5% a
year and

A.) Beginning in FY 15, funding for the town's OPEB trust fund will become part
of the operating budget and the long term goal will be to fully fund the
outstanding OPEB liability over 25 years.

The town did not, nor was it even asked to agree that any unused health
insurance budget would go to the trust fund.  It's important  that we not make
up facts as we go along.
9:57 am edt 

Theme Weeks

Please no more theme weeks, seriously. The two summer months are busy
enough without subjecting the entire town to some over the top promotion that
one or two large venues benefit from, immensely.
9:31 am edt 

Friday, July 18, 2014

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

Dan Hoort Purposefully Put the finance committee in a double bind

If they  held to their principles and did not allow the BOs to raid the rainy
day fund, then the tax payers would see an increase in their taxes. Dan Hoort
could have brought this issue up weeks ago but waited until there was no time
for other options. but if the finance committee allowed the BOs to raid the
rainy day fund, then it would be voting against its principles. the Finance
Committee is committed to this fund yet they had to vote against their goals due
to Hortism.

This was a double bind so they could only win and lose or lose and win without
real options.
9:09 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

"After reviewing the Finance Committee's meeting of July 15th, it
becomes abundantly clear that the Finance Chair's augment against approving the
transfer of $95,000 from Employees Fund to balance the shortfall of the 2014
budget was well founded."



Every other member of the FinCom disagreed with the chair and voted against him.
8:06 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

Re: "However, as in former years, the Finance Director chose to balance
the budget shortfall via raiding the Employee's Fund in direct contravention of
the above established policy to meet and preserve our future obligation to
employees and retirees."


I'm sure the finance committee chair appreciates you pushing his mis-guided
strategy for him.  Unfortunately for him and fortunately for the taxpayers in
town the rest of the finance committee members did not agree with the chair. 
The tax payers of Provincetown do not want their taxes raised when there is no
need to do so.
8:03 pm edt 

Hoort is in Conflict

He and his partner are on the Charter commission and he is paid town employee.
Decision made, revisions agreed to, are directly related to his work in finance.
He is in an illegal position and should be banned. He also runs a guest house
and any decision related to businesses and taxes and tied to the charter should
not involve him. do you think that David Gardner should or could be on the
Charter committee? Could Dan Hoort be in on the Finance committee? could Dan
Hoort be on zoning and handle this regulatory board? No, clearly if you work for
the town--and that includes Lynn Martin--you should not be any town board or
commission. it is riddled with conflict and just should not be.

2:01 pm edt 

Re: Finance Director Inappropriate Actions!

After reviewing the Finance Committee's meeting of July 15th, it becomes abundantly clear that the Finance Chair's augment against approving the transfer of $95,000 from Employees Fund to balance the shortfall of the 2014 budget was well founded.

Prior to the last Town Meeting FinCom agreed to hold the Employee Fund and OPEB reserves sacrosanct against future raids to balance end of year budgets. The funding of OPEB 2015 was approved at Town Meeting based on this understanding and was lauded by the Department of Revenue and Standard and Poor's.

However, as in former years, the Finance Director chose to balance the budget shortfall via raiding the Employee's Fund in direct contravention of the above established policy to meet and preserve our future obligation to employees and retirees.

The FinCom Chair pointed out that there were other existing unused funds in other departments which could have been appropriated; this was acknowledged by the Finance Director. But, instead, the Finance Director waited until the last day (July 15) to make the request, which denied FinCom the opportunity to consider alternate unused appropriations.

FinCom was purposefully presented the Finance Director's request at the 24th hour. This tactic guaranteed either the transfer of funds or the automatic increase of taxes by $95,000.00. The Finance Director, having actually orchestrated the crisis, duplicitously argued that he could not actually believe that FinCom would support the latter alternative.

To his credit, FinCom's Chair honorably argued that, given the alternative and previous promises, FinCom should not support this blatant return to business as usual. He further presented the fact that this tactic was used in the past by former BOS boards and the current Finance Director, resulting in our current fiscal shortfall and that Fincom should stand by its commitment to preserve the validity of both the Employee and OPEB funds, even if it resulted in increased taxes, which in fact were the result of the Finance Directors machinations.

It was obvious, that the other FinCom members were quite disturbed by the dilemma posed by raising taxes or transferring funds and chose the latter only with the proviso that the $95,000 would be replaced in the next Special town Meeting.


The FinCom Chair argued against taking the chance that the funds would be replaced and that FinCom was falling into the same trap as previous FinComs. What is most disturbing is that three members of the current BOS are former members of FinCom and supposedly understood the ramifications of their approval of the funds transfer. Two of the members actually while on FinCom were proponents of OPEB and vouched for the protection of Employee Funds.

It is obvious that the Finance Director is actively taking a political position and aggressively injecting himself into town politics. The Finance Director as a Staff member of Town Government should be operating under both the guidance and on behalf of the Town Manager and the BOS, as opposed to attempting to set policy. This last issue does seem to be a concern of the three most recent additions to the BOS and was clearly alluded to by BOS member Cheryl Andrews.

Given all of the above, I respectfully submit that the FinCom Chair is to be commended for his stance and that hopefully FinCom members will continually refresh the citizens memory and understanding of the issues and commitments right up to Special Town meeting, arguing for the full restitution of both the Employee Funds and full OPEB appropriation.

The Finance Director is highly capable; however his actions have proven to be an impediment to the efficient operation of government, resulting in a level of entropy which cannot be afforded. Appropriate action should be taken by the BOS to rectify this matter.

1:35 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort Should Go!

Let's face it, The Finance Director is a cancer to the town hall and
only after he is gone, will we only move in a new direction. A new town manager
should be able to start working without him undermining the changes that must be
made. The FinCom must start taking a serious look at this issue before a new TM
is in place.

Please why do we need an assistant TM and a new TM? I agree with the previous
poster.
9:55 am edt 

Our Employees

What is going on with the people that work for us?  I reccently heard that the
woman who works in the treasurers office (I only know her name is Cheryl I dont
remember her last name) is getting through.This is going to be a big loss for us
taxpayers because she was always so helpful whenevr I went into the treasurers
office with questions.  A few months ago I went in looking for some information
and she was not in. There was a note on the front counter that said they had ten
days to provide information.. Are they really that busy that they cant stop to
press a button on a omputer to look something up? I guess they seem to forget
they work for us. I reaalize they havee work to get done but they are also
public servants, have they forgotten that.
9:53 am edt 

Medical Facility

Whenever I have to go  to our local medical facility and then are referred to a
specialist I am always asked who is your primary care physician?  I cannot give
them an accurate answer because I am always seen by either a PA or a NP and not
a doctor..  I never know who the doctor is because one time I mentioned who the
doctor was and the office of the specialist said that doctor no longer works at
your local clinic.  It would be nice if there was a list of who the doctors
really are there.
9:51 am edt 

Thursday, July 17, 2014

Re: Dan Hoort Should Go!

He is, as some have posted, in conflict. He is on the Charter
commission and he is a town paid, town employee. He is changing the charter to
maximize his interests. This is plain and simple---illegal.

If you can provide one verifiable fact of where Mr. Hoort is changing the
Charter I will give you $100.  He was elected to the Charter Enforcement
Commission.  He is not on the charter review ad hoc group or whatever it's
called.

In reality these renewed attacks on Mr. Hoort appear to have bubbled up in the
past few days because of Mr. Hoort's interaction with the Finance Committee Chair
at the last FinCom meeting.  Mr. Hoort pointed out                   idea of
raising taxes when there was no need to do so was a really bad idea.
9:12 pm edt 

Re: Paul Gavin

Good when friends support friends

Good to hear from Richard Faust about Paul Gavin. He was here for many years and
is missed. He was a good presence at town hall and a very modest man.
1:03 pm edt 

Wednesday, July 16, 2014

Dan Hoort Should go!

He is, as some have posted, in conflict. He is on the Charter commission and he
is a town paid, town employee. He is changing the charter to maximize his
interests. This is plain and simple---illegal.

Maybe Sharon Lynn would like to hire a treasurer. Join her now. she brought you
in--for too many wrong reasons--and now she should take you away. You belong to
her.
11:22 pm edt 

Re: Outer Cape Health Facility - Dr. Robert O'Rourke

It is not up to medical staff to Bring the patients in

It is not a for profit and big money organization. Or is it? Outer Cape health
should be into health and into the best medical analysis. Not into how many
patients you bring in and cover in a few hours. but so it seems.

I miss Robert O' Rouke and I will not just go to some new face who has promised
this group to be aggressive, quick with patients, and be "productive." This is
medicine--not a factory making shoes.
11:19 pm edt 

Re: Paul Gavin

Point of fact: Paul Gavin was NOT hired by Sharon. He was working for
the Town long before Sharon appeared on the scene. He began work in the
Treasurer's Office and became the  Assessor after Dana Faris left. Please get
your facts straight before you malign the character an extremely fair, competent
and honest individual. If you have any further questions or comments about my
friend and former supervisor, feel free to contact me.

Richard Faust
Assistant Assessor
11:17 pm edt 


"Why do we have a town manager and assistant town manager, a school
superintendent and a school principal, a finance director or a town planner?"


We have all these positions because town meeting approved the funding. Pay
attention to what you vote for next time.
7:50 pm edt 

Provincetown Public Library

Dear God,  Please don't let the library trustees hire a new library
director by placing a couple of ads and hiring the person they like best.

They've made two enormous mistakes in recent years, and I see no indication that
they are doing things differently this time.  It is not simply an administrative
job, and it is not something just anyone with an MLS can do.  There are many
kinds of librarians.

Please also, god, don't let them hire someone who is not up on technology.
Libraries today ARE technology. Please let them hire someone who can operate a
website, blog, knows books of ALL kinds, loves people, and loves Provincetown.
Someone who is flexible and participatory, who is a good leader and a great
listener.

I know it takes work to search for a good person, and the trustees have not been
very good at hard work in the past few years.  Please let them hire someone who
is looking for more than a paying job, but someone who loves the work they do.

Thanks, god.  Love,  Me, Margaret
6:21 pm edt 

Re: Paul Gavin

I always had a PERFECT experience whenever I dealt with Paul Gavin. 
He was ALWAYS available and willing to explain within his purview.
4:03 pm edt 

Re: Investigation Threat

"Clarence, if you don't post my last response I will have u
investigated also."



Question: since this blog is anonymous, how is Clarence supposed to know who you
are? Talk about trying to find a needle in a haystack. Still, thanks for the
laugh.
4:00 pm edt 

Re: BOS is on Wrong Path - OPEB Funds Raided!

". . . Town Hall meeting voted to set those funds aside and the BOS
willynilly chose to use the funds for other purposes. This is not the kind of
leadership I would have expected from our selectmen."


"Two posts asking for clarification, but, of course, no response.  All we see are
accusations of wrongdoing, but NEVER any backup info.  Attack, attack attack. 
Someone believes in the old "throw mud against the wall" story."




Clarence, you are on the finance committee.  Do you have any idea when this was
voted on or agreed to?
3:56 pm edt 

Re: Paul Gavin

Just because Paul Gavin was hired by anyone does not make him bad. He
was a great assessor, a nice person, and an honorable man. Whoever maligns him
on this blog should be ashamed for being an ignorant and vicious person.
10:33 am edt 

Re: BOS is on Wrong Path - OPEB Funds Raided!

". . . Town Hall meeting voted to set those funds aside and the BOS
willynilly chose to use the funds for other purposes. This is not the kind of
leadership I would have expected from our selectmen."



Two posts asking for clarification, but, of course, no response.  All we see are
accusations of wrongdoing, but NEVER any backup info.  Attack, attack attack. 
Someone believes in the old "throw mud against the wall" story.
9:52 am edt 

Re: Town Manager Search

"Why does the town need a town manager and an assistant town manager
for a town our size.  It's time to start looking to cut back on expenses."


Good question.  This is worthy of a constructive debate by the BOS.
9:49 am edt 

Re: Dan Hoort is Still In Ethical Conflict of Interest

"He is a                    and one of the last of the Sharon
Lynn/Jeff Jaran hires still in place. Russell Braun is gone and also Paul Gavin
is gone and so is                    


And you too should be gone.  Paul Gavin was on of the best employees ever in PT.
9:47 am edt 

Tuesday, July 15, 2014

Dan Hoort is Still In Ethical Conflict of Interest

He should not be on the Charter Commission with his partner. He is the Finance
Director and he is in conflict. Now is the time to file this complaint.

He is a                    and one of the last of the Sharon Lynn/Jeff Jaran
hires still in place. Russell Braun is gone and also Paul Gavin is gone and so
is             .

Now is the time to get Dan Hoort "retired." He is a man with ill intent and he
is there for his own                      He needs to go and soon.
11:22 pm edt 

Town Manager Search

Why does the town need a town manager and an assistant town manager for a town
our size.  It's time to start looking to cut back on expenses.
11:15 pm edt 

BOS is on Wrong Path - OPEB Funds Raided!

". . . Town Hall meeting voted to set those funds aside and the BOS
willynilly chose to use the funds for other purposes. This is not the kind
of leadership I would have expected from our selectmen."


I'm lost.  Serious question, when did town meeting vote to set those funds
aside?  I looked through the minutes for last October and this past April and
couldn't find that vote.  Can you paste it here or tell us which meeting?
11:13 pm edt 

Investigation Threat

Clarence, if you don't post my last response I will have u
investigated also.
8:26 pm edt 

BOS is on Wrong Path - OPEB Funds Raided!

"It was just brought to my attention that at last  nights BOS
meeting,the selectmen voted to raid the OPEB fund of the town workers  to the
tune of $95,000 dollars. WTF! Town Hall meeting voted to set those funds aside
and the BOS willynilly chose to use the funds for other purposes. This is not
the kind of leadership I would have expected from our selectmen.

This was a first down payment into a fund which was agreed upon at town hall
meeting and now without public discussion the BOS unilaterally takes action in
direct opposition to  the intended purpose."



How about a little education, both ways.  First, politicians have town hall
meetings, our government has Town Meetings.

Secondly what is OPEB?

Thirdly, "raid" sounds like some sort of evil doings.

Fourthly, Was the money allocated in a specific article that was passed?

Fifthly, Did the BOS say what they were going to do with the "raided" funds? 
How did it get brought up for a vote?  Who made the motion?
8:11 pm edt 

Re: Parade

Pretty bad  when a Recreation Director Can't Even Get a Parade
together

And what else does he do? He is still inexperienced and many people were
disappointed. there should have been a parade. the responsibility lies with the
Director. He failed. and we are not happy about this. time to find someone with
zest, energy and vision. Obviously it is not Motta.
7:08 pm edt 

BOS is on Wrong Path - OPEB Funds Raided!

It was just brought to my attention that at last  nights BOS meeting,
the selectmen voted to raid the OPEB fund of the town workers  to the tune 
of $95,000 dollars. WTF! Town Hall meeting voted to set those funds aside and
the BOS willynilly chose to use the funds for other purposes. This is not the kind
of leadership I would have expected from our selectmen.

This was a first down payment into a fund which was agreed upon at town hall 
meeting and now without public discussion the BOS unilaterally takes action
in direct opposition to  the intended purpose.

Easy come, easy go?
 
12:21 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

"Also, if according to a previous poster, Cheryl wanted to take the
annex keys away from the friends of the library, why didn't she just take them
from the group?  As the director she had the right to do so."



I answered this question a few days ago, but the Webmaster didn't post it.  I
guess the truth causes lawsuits.
12:06 pm edt 

Re: Outer Cape Health Facility - Dr. Robert O'Rourke

"He is good and kind and a great medical analyst. that is rare. He was
the best and for them to close him out be cause he wasn't "brining in"
"CUSTOMERS--that is what they think of us. is horrible.

We need Outer Health to care about us and not simply profits and money and
number served in the fastest amount of time. that is what coast O'Rouke his full
time position."



This is very interesting and provocative.  Personally, I have never met him, so
I can't help with an opinion of his abilities.  But, if it is true that he was
not "bringing in the customers", I would ask why not?  If people did not want to
be seen by him, why not?  Outer cape has to care about us, sure, but if Outer
cape has no money to do the job, then how can it help us?

Maybe discussing the situation is better than simply signing a petition.  Maybe
start with contacting Outer Cape and determining the real situation?
Understanding a problem is a lot more difficult than offering solutions without
understanding the issues.

This is like so many posts here-BLAME BLAME BLAME.
9:44 am edt 

Tuesday, July 15, 2014

Re: Outer Cape Health Facility - Dr. Robert O'Rourke

I Would Sign a Petition for Bob O'Rouke

He is good and kind and a great medical analyst. that is rare. He was the
best and for them to close him out be cause he wasn't "brining in"
"CUSTOMERS--that is what they think of us. is horrible.

We need Outer Health to care about us and not simply profits and money and
number served in the fastest amount of time. that is what coast O'Rouke his full
time position.

I too want him back and so should Outer Cape instead of replacing anyone who
isn't PRODUCING--in money--out and brining in anyone from anywhere.

So would I and many others. Call Sally Dean in corporate in welfleet and voice
your concerns
12:40 am edt 

Re: Parade

"so you have the parade on Saturday and you pull people and cars and
fire engines together and you have a parade"



So it rained on your parade. Enough already with the hind-sight, speculation and
back end solutions. The parade has passed you by, and nothing is going to bring
it back.
12:38 am edt 

Re: Town Manager Search

"Then start to look for a new town manager. then it may be clearer who
we need and what we really want. Gardner is doing a good job in this acting
phase--so keep him there longer. It's a win win situation."



It's not a win for David.  He doesn't want it.
12:35 am edt 

Re: Parade

Hurricane/Director:

Once again...  Everyone had the same hurricane coming as Provincetown..  So why
was it they planned accordingly to change their parade times and Provincetown
couldn't?  Just saying...

Take some lessons...
12:33 am edt 

Re: Parade
 
"His qualification as recreation director are in question. If you
can't pull a parade together once a year--can you really run a Recreation Center
for four seasons?"


Pretty sad, isn't it when a few folks have nothing better to bitch about than a
rinky- dink parade that they might not even attend, and certainly does not draw
like the carnival parade.  Get over your hate.  Find another hobby.  There have
got to be a few other seriuos issues that can seize your attention.
12:31 am edt 

Town Manager Search

Keep David Gardner as Acting Town Manager for Another Year

then start to look for a new town manager. then it may be clearer who we need
and what we really want. Gardner is doing a good job in this acting phase--so
keep him there longer. It's a win win situation.
7:36 pm edt 

Re: July 4th Parade

I6t's Called a rain Date

so you have the parade on Saturday and you pull people and cars and fire engines
together and you have a parade. Was that so hard to do? Oh, the banks(how
many--two?--could be here. so you get creative, you come up with ideas, you
contact key people like Candy at the chamber and Eric at PBG and you pull a
parade together.

His qualification as recreation director are in question. If you can't pull a
parade together once a year--can you really run a Recreation Center for four
seasons?

7:34 pm edt 

Re: New Town Manager Update Wanted

"The Town Manager search committee has done nothing.  It is an
absolute disgrace.  They have posted meetings every two weeks on the Town's
website and relatively current minutes, which I am convinced are forged. 
Really, the only thing worse than the Town Manager Search Committee is the
stupid questions people ask on this blog expecting answers.  And Hitler."


Agree with the Hitler thing (i think).  The rest of the post is not so clear. 
Do you have some knowledge of what is happening?  Do you mean that they have no
candidates?  Have they not advertised? Do you really mean "forged" or do you
mean phony?
4:49 pm edt 

Re: New Town Manager Update Wanted

The Town Manager search committee has done nothing.  It is an absolute
disgrace.  They have posted meetings every two weeks on the Town's website and
relatively current minutes, which I am convinced are forged.  Really, the only
thing worse than the Town Manager Search Committee is the stupid questions
people ask on this blog expecting answers.  And Hitler.
4:20 pm edt 

Re: New Town Manager Update Wanted

"What is the update regarding the search for the new Town Manager? Has
the search group received any applications? Have they even come up with a list
of what they want."



Interesting.  Why ask here? Why not go to the source?  Try Gardner or any member
of BOS.
4:17 pm edt 

New Town Manager Update Wanted

What is the update regarding the search for the new Town Manager? Has the search
group received any applications? Have they even come up with a list of what they
want.
12:32 pm edt 

Re: Parade

"Motta could Have changed--as the Fireworks were changed--to the
Saturday for the Parade."


That easy, eh?  Obviously you have never had the responsibility of planning an
event with many varied components with many volunteers that have other lives and
other obligations.  Changing the fireworks may have been fairly simple since the
company was already in town and was set up and was paid no volunteer.


You have no idea of what needed to be done and what actually went into the
decision, so stop the BS accusations.
11:06 am edt 

Re: Parade

"No one said to stand out in the rain...  But, the time could have
been changed to 9AM.  That just took a little bit of thought... "



You have an answer for everything.  How much coordination would be required to
get all involved on the same schedule.  Plenty of other locations postponed.
11:04 am edt 

Re: Parade

No one said to stand out in the rain...  But, the time could have been changed
to 9AM.  That just took a little bit of thought...
9:56 am edt 

Sunday, July 13, 2014

Re: Outer Cape Health Facility - Dr. Robert O'Rourke

I Would Sign a Petition for Bob O'Rouke

   He is good and kind and a great medical analyst. that is rare. He was the
best and for them to close him out be cause he wasn't "brining in"
"CUSTOMERS--that is what they think of us. is horrible.

    We need Outer Health to care about us and not simply profits and money and
number served in the fastest amount of time. that is what coast O'Rouke his full
time position.

I too want him back and so should Outer Cape instead of replacing anyone who
isn't PRODUCING--in money--out and brining in anyone from anywhere.
10:47 am edt 

Re: July 4th Parade

Motta could Have changed--as the Fireworks were changed--to the
Saturday for the Parade.

But no. He simply and easily and too casually just canceled the parade. Bad. He
needs to go. What doe she do really? Little and if he can't be creative enough
and inventive enough to pull together a fourth parade, we have problems. His
thinking is too little; his energy, even littler.
10:45 am edt 

Re: July 4th Parade

It started pouring at 11!am on the fourth.  You wanted to stand out
there and see a parade?
10:00 am edt 

Outer Cape Health Facility - Dr. Robert O'Rourke

A few weeks ago there was some concern about Orthopedic P.A.,Bob
O'Rourke no longer being at Outer Cape Health Facility and there was several
postings on My Pacc that patients were outraged that he wasn't going to be there 
due to the Administration decision to cut his hours back to fifteen per week!

He used to shift from Provincetown & Wellfleet facilities.Robert O'Rourke is an
excellent,knowledgeable orthopedic man & is desperately here! The tactics are a
political maneuver of releasing him!! Dr. O'Rourke has worked wonders with
patients that some others couldn't do.

A medical facility is only as good as the as relationships established between medical
personnel and their patients! I and many others hope the administration rethinks what
they've done & correct it. Plus,they've seriously inconvenienced people on this lower end
of the Cape by sending patients, unnecessisariy into Hyannis in all the summer traffic
when O'Rourke was so capable!

WE NEED HIM BACK!!Cut services somewhere else!! Perhaps we need to establish a
petition and send it to the State Medical Board &/or do a documentary interview of
"Behind the scenes" of medical personnel in this medical facility! Perhaps you've
expanded further than you should! Why has this issue been so secretive? The Public
& patients need a Public response! When can we expect it?
9:56 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

"There is NO dangerous black mold problem at the library annex
building."


Then why are the book sales no longer taking place?

Also, if according to a previous poster, Cheryl wanted to take the annex keys
away from the friends of the library, why didn't she just take them from the
group?  As the director she had the right to do so.
9:49 am edt 

Sunday, July 13, 2014

Recreation Director - Just Get Him Out!

Let's bring in someone with energy, ideas and who is trained to be a recreation
Director. this guy is a poor choice and he should leave. for $50,000, I know more
than a few people who could help this town out.

Get rid of him now.
12:29 am edt 

Re: Recreation Director

But, Please

It is the Recreation Director that makes the decision on the fourth of July
Parade. l This is his biggest town event and he is in charge. He made the wrong
the decision to cancel everything--whey? easy. simple, let it pass.

Wrong. This Recreation Director needs to think creatively and get a parade for
Saturday.

I say he is incompetent. He is still to too young and too inexperienced and he
is not learning on the job. I am over this young person and I am not happy with
his decisions.

He is inept.
12:26 am edt 

Re: Recreation Director

"Clearly You are paying this rather Inexperienced Recreation Director
More than enough"


Silly, I know, but what kind of experience is Rather enough? And how much is
enough or "more than enough".  You seem to have the answers, so please share,
but you won't and never do.
12:23 am edt 

Re: The Times Are a Changing

"A few people had the insight that light industry might also help the
local economy and it's residents,but those plans didn't receive the support
needed."



Sounds like that how we should have gone.  What were the light industries and
who did not support the plan
12:18 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Library

"Evidence has been found that they WERE paid for by the town, not
fully donated by the artist, so it is Town Property that was taken and is still
at large."



Thanks heaven!! Evidence at last. Please share the evidence.
11:19 pm edt 

Re: Cheryl Andrews - BOS

All my money is on Cheryl Andrews for being the selectman who called
the editorial writer and reamed him a new one.  She the only one on the BOS with
real cajones. Ironic, si?
11:08 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

There is NO dangerous black mold problem at the library annex
building. Someone saw what looked like some mold and Cheryl used it to create a
story that the building was dangerous so that she could take back the keys from
the Friends of the Library. She never liked them and she wanted them out just
like she did with many trustees.

The real, and more interesting question is what sent Mick Rudd out to the annex
to hunt the art down and photograph it in the first place?  This isn't the kind
of thing he just takes upon himself.  The answer to this question will reveal
the real story.
11:03 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

"There are some out there thar seem to be on the head hunt for the rec
director for canceling the parade."



It's all about his performance as a town department leader.  THAT'S  should be
the basis of our fedback about hm.
11:00 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

The high degree of dissatisfaction with the Recreation Director has
nothing to do with this year's Fourth of July cancellation.  It's about what he
does the rest of the year.  It's obvious he shows little passion for anything he
does, except keeping his own job.
10:57 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director
 
There are some out there thar seem to be on the head hunt for the rec director
for canceling the parade.  Before you start looking to cut this position, ask
your selves, did he have the sole authority to make the decision to cancel the
parade or were there others involved in the decision making like the assistant
town manager and other town officials. Let's not put the blame on one particular
individual before we have all the facts. So, do we know if it was a sole
decision?
10:03 am edt 

Provincetown Public Library - Library Murals

"Evidence has been found that they WERE paid for by the town, not fully donated 
by the artist, so it is Town Property that was taken and is still at large."



These murals would have never left the library "annex", just as everything else
had to remain there for public health reasons.

The real question is if the murals are now endangering the health of those near
right now, wherever that may be.

10:00 am edt 

Saturday, July 12, 2014

Mary-Jo Avellar, Town Moderator

To the Editor: Provincetown Banner

Erik Borg's reporting of Steven McGovern's scurrilous accusations against
Finance Committee member Mark Hatch are not only inaccurate, but misleading.
More importantly, they fly in the face of what good reporting is all about:
namely, getting both sides of the story before you go to print.

Not only did Mr. Borg not call me, Mr. Hatch's appointing authority, his
verbatim reporting of Mr. McGovern's erroneous allegations impugn not only Mr.
Hatch's integrity but mine as well. My record (more than 40 years of dedicated
service to this town) speaks for itself. I have bent over backwards to find
responsible and interested people to serve on any and all committees I appoint. 

I repeat: Mr. Borg never picked up the phone to call me to ascertain if I had
checked Mr. Hatch's credentials, which for the record, I did. It makes me wonder
if The Banner has an axe to grind as well. Someone should have caught this
flagrant error in Mr. Borg's reporting judgment.

And, the fact that Mr. McGovern is an unabashed and very well known apologist
for and sycophant of both former Police Chief Jeff Jaran and the ex-Town Manager
Sharon Lynn should be raising a few red flags.

Is this not the same Steve McGovern who disputed the statements of members of
the Provincetown Police Department as to exactly what happened that infamous
evening at the Squealing Pig a year ago May? Please. Give me a break. 

In his diatribe against Mr. Hatch ,  Mr. McGovern fails to reveal that he was a
vocal and vehement defender of both Ms. Lynn and Mr. Jaran. Where was Mr.
McGovern when Mr. Hatch was appointed to the Town Manager search committee?

Is it because Mr. Hatch is now on the Finance Committee, many of whose members
were well-known opponents of the new police station promulgated by the now former
town employees Lynn and Jaran?

 It seems to me that Mr. McGovern should get a grip on reality. Ms. Lynn and Mr.
Jaran are gone. The proposed new police station is on hold. And if memory serves
me correctly, this year's annual town meeting took to heart and voted several
recommendations by the finance committee to which Mr. Hatch was most recently
appointed. 

Unlike Mr. McGovern, whom, if I am correct, serves on no town committees
whatsoever, it is my intention now and will continue to be in the future to
appoint to the finance committee those who put the public's interest, not those
of themselves and their friends, first.

Continuing to fight political battles long since resolved serves no interest except Mr.
McGovern's and his questionable loyalty to his friends whom I believe have already
moved on. 

Mary-Jo Avellar, Town Moderator
12:27 am edt 

Re: Recreation Director
 
Rev dir?

What is a rev dir,  is  that some kind of clergy person?
5:28 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

Thanks, Matt Clark, for finally posting the old library trustees
minutes.

Will we ever find out what the trustess did to the newly elected trustee to
cause him to flee before his seat was warm?  It's the third or fourth time this
has happened since "EveLyn" Kratz became the chair. Counting the days til her
term is over.

And why oh why is she on the library director search committee?  She was on the
last two, and both resulted in horrendous choices.  Let's leave "EveLyn" out of
this one, OK?
5:25 pm edt 

Provincetown Public Library

Library Murals..........still missing.

Evidence has been found that they WERE paid for by the town, not fully donated
by the artist, so it is Town Property that was taken and is still at large.

Stay tuned.
5:24 pm edt 

The Times Are a Changing

"It isn't the town's fault that it has turned into a summer resort."


It most certainly is. In the mid to late 90s, government regulations began to
seriously impact the fishing industry (and the local trade). The overall
national economy tanked as well, creating a gigantic and still growing gap
between the rich and the middle class/poor.

The town administrators (Bergman/BOS) hired a tourism director and mounted a
national and international marketing campaign, touting Provincetown as a tourist
destination. A few people had the insight that light industry might also help
the local economy and it's residents,but those plans didn't receive the support
needed.

So here we are, eggs all in one basket. Tourist destination. You're either one
of the privileged or serving them. There are few moderately sustaining jobs,
realtor, town employee, some part-time administrative or entertainment stuff.

Blaming the townies, those that choose to live here, is ridiculous. And like the
hundreds before them, more will leave. And the rich and not so rich will
continue to use and enjoy all the resources Provincetown has to offer.

It's long past now, but Provincetown used to be a glorious, happy place to live.




5:21 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

Clearly You are paying this rather Inexperienced Recreation Director
More than enough

He was inexperienced when he replace the former director who left town with the
building commissioner. He knew little and I fear he still does. He was unable to
pull the parade together when almost anyone could have done this. What does he
really do? I fear--not much.
5:18 pm edt 

Thursday, July 10, 2014

Re: Recreation Director

We pay for a full time rec dir, but in return
we get a very part time rev dir for the work
he does or should I say doesn't do!
11:44 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

At the fall town mtg let's get a motion to can him!

I'm sure it will be very easy to get the signatures!!!!
11:43 pm edt 

4th of July Parade

I was reading The Banner and I was so ____
that our Rec Dir canceled the parade.

Great photos from the Wellfleet parade!

Rec Director maybe you should look for another
job since you always want to take the easy way out!
11:41 pm edt 

Provincetown Board of Selectmen

So now we have a member of our Board of Selectmen actually calling a
resident to scold him for voicing his opinion in a letter to the editor.
Unbelievable! This current BOS is making it quite clear that if you do not agree
with their opinions you need not apply for a committee position or speak up at
meetings. At a time when our town needs strong, effective leadership we are
getting what to me seems to be the most dysfunctional and vindictive BOS I've
ever seen. What about what's best for the town? With its current leadership I
don't see anything good coming from this BOS.
11:40 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

Recreation director runs a wonderful program with 60 plus kids all
summer and 20 or so every afternoon if or after school.  He also runs the sport
programs for our kids. There are programs and access to the gym for all in the
community.

Is this what you do simply attack people and programs now in town ?  Why dint
you get your axxx up there and do some push-ups in the gym he oversees at VMCC
if you even know where it I'd
11:35 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

Really, one parade cancelled on a miserable rainy day and all this
toxic venom spewed at the recreation department's director. What a nasty group
of people.
11:33 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

Someone listed the salaries of other Re relation Directors' salaries
and our toewn's is the lowest.  May be we're not paying our Recreation Director
enough
11:31 pm edt 

From the Front Office of the Joker

I did not realize that when I called the fireworks "a joke" that by referring to
them as a "joke" would indicate the fireworks were bad. I will accept
responsibility for that and do what no else does here and apologize.

My intent was to bring to everyones attention, the time it took from the first
boom-boom to the last boom-boom. I fully understand the fiancial aspect, but I
focused more on the time frame. I think it would be beneficial to this town in
general, if they could at least go for 45 minutes to an hour.

I would like to thank the nameless person who found issue with the word joke and
I will try to be more cautious of my wording in the future. However, I think for
those who travelled an hour or more to come here, to only get 17 minutes worth
of boom-boom's is something I hope we all can improve on next year.

Roger Green
11:29 pm edt 

My Opinion

Does anyone else agree that maybe this site can dispense with all the
long preambles?  Can anyone honestly say that they have read them in the last
few months?
11:27 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Department

"Well, if it's true that the Rec guy earns $50,000in salary, the town
isn't getting that amount of money in rec activities."


I know that you won't answer but, could you please tell us what is the correct
amount that we should be getting for our $50k?  How about listing what we get
and what you think that we should get side by side so that we can evaluate your
analysis vs the town's plan.
11:25 pm edt 

Facing Reality

THE LOSS OF PEACE OF MIND

How sad. People come here to a resort town expecting to make a life here working
seasonally when the reality is that Provincetown has become a vacation spot for
people who can afford luxury vacations and rent a place for a season, go out to
eat, dance, drink and enjoy life. Meanwhile, the workers are impoverished--and
it is of their own doing.

It used to be that workers would go from Provincetown in the summer to Key West
or Palm Springs in the winter or to a ski resort. The idea of living here and
making it on a seasonal work schedule is long past.

The toll is the total loss of one's peace of mind. Whats more, imagine the
effect it is having on the children of people who chose to live here in self
induced poverty.

I still remember the woman who had pictures of lovely homes on her wall and told
her child to envision living there while she jumped at every get rich quick
thing that came down the pike from selling dog food to God knows what. She had
her section 8 housing--and that is all that she had.

I wonder what her child thinks of the childhood her mother gave her when the
mother could have moved someplace else with year round employment and got a job.

With these facebook pages, people are so consumed with the idea that the town or
developers must provide housing for them--YESTERDAY. That they don't even
realize that their plea is a cry of such public despair and manifests a total
loss of their peace of mind.

It isn't the town's fault that it has turned into a summer resort, the the
fishing industry has faded and year round jobs that it provided are gone.

This is a summer tourist town, It is expensive to live here and that isn't going
to change. All of the affordable housing isn't going to change that--and
affordable housing isn't affordable if there is a glitch in your unemployment in
the winter or if the place you work goes out of business.

You can live here on a shoe string but the risk is that the slightest set back:
a blown transmission, a bike crash that ends in broken bones, job loss, or any
number of life issues can cause things to disintegrate fast. Look at your life
here and see where you will be in 5 years. No affordable housing is going to
take care of everyone--and it isn't around the corner either. We all make
choices; and if you chose to live in a summer resort town expect to live a
reduced life style. Don't blame others for what you bring on to yourself.
11:22 pm edt 

Viewpoint (Banner July 10, 2014)

An open letter to the Provincetown Board of Selectmen
By Paul deRuyter
Selectmen are all volunteers, elected by our citizens to lead us. Its a
difficult job and often thankless. You take on a major commitment and sacrifice
your time on our behalf. You each deserve our gratitude and thanks for your
service. I think its important to keep these sentiments in mind when directing
criticism your way.
I received an irate but respectful call a few days ago from a board member to
complain about my letter to the editor published in the July 3 issue of the
Banner. We ended our brief conversation agreeing to disagree. But as I listened
to the scolding it occurred to me that theres actually something far more
important at stake. Without fully understanding it I now realize that the
important stake is what motivated me to write that letter and why Im writing
again now. I want to try and explain what is, in fact, at stake.
I believe the new boards most important and immediate objective was to bring a
sense of stability back to our communitys governance. To do that was going to
require that the board use every opportunity available to help residents gain
confidence in the boards ability to lead us through the many challenges we face.
Its been disappointing to have already seen so many missed opportunities to help
us build that needed confidence. The incident discussed in my letter to the
editor was just one of those missed opportunities, and not even the most
damaging incident at that. Sadly, this all seems to be going unrecognized by our
leaders.
My letter was not an attempt to argue in favor of a political position or on
behalf of any individualrather it was an expression of disappointment with what
I witnessed during a recent selectmens meeting where a volunteer applicant was
interviewed for an opening on a town committee. I believe the conduct I
witnessed during that meeting diminished our leaders.
A persons political position, especially when it involves a single issue of some
apparent interest to the board, should not be grounds for disqualification from
an opening on the charter review ad hoc committee. That committee is a group
specifically formed to examine and challenge all of the old assumptions of how
we as a town are organized and governed.
A voiceany voice...thats otherwise eligible and authentically concerned with our
community should not be disqualified on grounds that the board doesnt like a
political position held by the applicant. The awkwardness of the situation was
only multiplied by the unseemly effort to deliberately elicit from the applicant
the very position the selectmen used to disqualify the applicant. Forgive me,
but it all did have the appearance of being, well, orchestrated, although Im
told by one selectman it was not.
The charter review ad hoc committee should be allowed to independently decide
how they will interact with one another  whose opinions they will value and
whose opinions they will discard, but we must allow the full spectrum of
citizens opinions to be heard.
I only know a few of the people on the charter review committee but Im quite
confident they can keep the committees conduct constructive, fully reflective of
the group as a whole and that the committee can produce recommendations for the
board and the town that properly represent whats in the best interests of the
town. And, of course, its important to remember, the selectmen and Town Meeting
always have the final word on the matter of changes in our charter. What is it
that our leaders are afraid of?
During the conversation with the selectman who phoned me, the member expressed
an opinion regarding my use of the word propriety in the context of describing a
question concerning the boards behavior during the interview meeting. I used
that word quite purposefully and fully consistent with its definition  I
questioned whether the selectmen had adhered to conventionally accepted
standards of behavior with respect to their treatment of an applicant for a town
committee. What I witnessed certainly allowed the question to be asked, if not
fully answered in that letter. Ill answer it now. I do believe that introducing
a politically motivated litmus test to judge an applicants suitability for a
town board exceeds the bounds of conventionally accepted standards of behavior.
Let me be more specific to avoid any misunderstanding. I thought the opinions
expressed by the selectmen during the interview were entirely appropriate and
fair game until, that is, those opinions were used to justify a vote to
disqualify the applicant. It is not within the selectmens purview to judge for
all the rest of us what is politically correct and what is politically
incorrect. With the selectmen choosing to take this aggressive and unnecessary
posture they managed to once again contribute to the polarization of our
community, the precise opposite of what should be their paramount mission.
If the board had shown more concern with what I believe to be their most
important short-term goal of helping us build confidence in their leadership,
the selectmen might simply have explained to the applicant that his political
position on the matter in question was objectionable, that the selectmen did not
agree with it and, while this is not a sufficient reason to deny his
application, the selectmen would use the opportunity to convey to the charter
review committee their united opposition to the political matter in question.
Its discouraging that the selectmen do not seem to understand that theres
something far more important here than any single political issue or
personality. Our critical need now is that we must have help in building
confidence in the boards leadership. This should be the selectmens highest
priority, especially given the disgraceful ugliness of the past year. But, even
more importantly, because confidence in our leaders is the key to getting
anything useful done and that includes the important task of hiring a new town
manager.
From what weve seen so far theres unfortunately precious little room for
encouragement.
[Paul deRuyter, a local resident and developer, has served on local boards
including the Provincetown Public Pier Corporation.]
11:17 pm edt 

Thursday, July 10, 2014

Capewide News

A huge Thank You to all who were involved in locating the missing teen..  Thanks
go out to Provincetown Police for their time and efforts, Mass State Police for
the use of their resources and Helo,Barnstable County Sheriffs Dept for the use
of their K9 and all who may have been un mentioned.  Job Well Done once again... 
Without the help of everyone, this return may have not been the result of a
happy ending.........  KEEP UP THE GREAT JOB YOU ALL DO WITH INTEGRITY.....
12:34 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Recreation Director

Someone posted that the Recreation Dept director earned $45,800 a
couple of days ago.  Today someone posted he is earning $50,000. 
Talk about inflation!
12:31 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Recreation Director

Re:  "But when I learn of what other Cape Town recreation
departments are doing, and compare them with what we're getting in services, I
believe there's much to be desired."


Why don't you tell us specifically what you learned about other towns, what they
get and what they spend on recreation.  I would like to compare appple to apples
and not oranges or fireworks and cathedrals if you prefer.  I'd rather have real
information instead of blathering on because you have some axe to grind with the
rec. director.

I did a 10 minute google search and found this information for fiscal year 2015

Brewster pays 59,981 for their rec director and has a budget of 122,232.

Orleans has a budget of 2,015,242 for their culture and recreation dept.

Truro's rec beach/rec director can earn from 46,820 to 62,342 depending on what
step they are on.

I didn't take the time to learn all the activities in the above mentioned towns
but seeing as you already have maybe you could post the results of your learning
and save me the trouble of doing it myself.
10:45 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Recreation Director

Well, if it's true that the Rec guy earns $50,000in salary, the town
isn't getting that amount of money in rec activities.  Maybe he's not assigned
full time to the rec office.
5:45 pm edt 

Re: What Does the Recreation Director do?

I can tell you he does not do anything for adults
No classes in the evening like volleyball,badminton, basketball or indoor golf
classes.
5:44 pm edt 

Re: July 4th Fireworks

So my posting was ridiculous about monument=good, fireworks=dumb? 
I'll revise it, fixing flooding on Court Street=good, fireworks=dumb!
5:41 pm edt 

Lest We Forget

Re: July 4th Fireworks

"And the rockets red glare,
The bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night,
That our flag was still there"
5:41 pm edt 

Multi-Dwelling Home Sales on the Rise?

RESIDENTS ARE SELLING MULTI-FAMILY HOMES

With all of this talk about putting restrictions on Multi-family homes, it is
only natural that the owners are putting them up for sale.

So many people are saying that they have to move because their building is up
for sale.

Unintended consequences due to the talk of putting the squeeze and restrictions
on multi-family homes.
5:38 pm edt 

Re: 4th of July Fireworks

"I did not say the fireworks were bad, I clearly stated they lasted 17
minutes...In prior years, they lasted 22 minutes. For the amount of people who
travel from up Cape and probably beyond, we just need to make it worth their
time."

Now, now, Joker.  Did you or did you not say they were a "joke".  In the context
of your post, most might see some indication that you thought they were bad in
some way.

SInce you seem to collect statistics on our fireworks maybe you can share with
us the numbers for the last ten years and perhaps you have the same data for
other locales.  You can then analyze your data to come up with a cost benefit
curve for our future use in determining the number of people that will travel
from "up Cape" to PT based on the number of minutes per show.  We can then
accurately know how to get the biggest "bang" (get it) for our bucks.  Lots of
work getting numbers of visitors and amount of spend, but you can do it. 
Imagine if we can use your info to tell people, statistically, that it is worth
their time to come to PT for our fireworks.  No joke.
5:34 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Department

"But when I learn of what other Cape Town recreation
departments are doing, and compare them with what we're getting in services, I
believe there's much to be desired."


Great work.  Can you share with us here and also with the BOS and Town Manager
so that we will all have the same info to make better decisions on how our tax
dollars are being spent.  If you could make up some sort of matrix from your
data it would be a great public service. Like activity vs cost etc. Thanks so
much from all the tax payers of PT.
1:32 pm edt 

Re: Funny

"Ironically the chair of the finance committee is also the moderator
of this blog. I wonder where the money is and why is it not being done."


Why does it seem that too many posters here never read the posts here?  The
FinCom has NOTHING to do with spending money that has been authorized at town
meeting.  The FinCom can ONLY recommend spending.
1:29 pm edt 

Court Street Flooding

Ridiculous postings like Monument good, Fire Works dumb, apples good,
oranges dumb.

There are bigger issues in our town to be addressing that happened over the
last heavy rains like the major flooding in the Court Street area .   Thought
the administration had fixed the problem but obviously not.  You couldn't even
drive down Court Street it was so bad.  I read in our local newspaper that we
hired a town planner and assistant dpw director with all these great credentials
so maybe they can come up with a solution.
9:02 am edt 

Nelsons Riding Stables

Just when it was all quiet, here comes Ted!! Got the grant (free money) to build
more un-needed housing. Lets see how long he sits on the money and then asks for
a reduction in the affordable units so he can sell the units at market rate "due
to the economy" so the poor fella can make his money back.
7:06 am edt 

Wednesday, July 9, 2014

Re: July 4th Fireworks

Pilgrim Monument = Good.  Fireworks = DUMB!!!

Apples good.

Oranges dumb.

12:21 am edt 

Re: July 4th Fireworks

I too Agree

I love fireworks and I can't imagine the fourth without them. What is wrong with
wanting fireworks? You'd think it was odd or strange or more European to like
them?

I see fireworks as part of an American tradition and I look askance at those who
want to abolish fireworks. such a position is questionable and so off based.

Fireworks are a draw and people come here to see them and enjoy them.
12:18 am edt 

Re: July 4th Fireworks

Fireworks are Just Fabulous

They add so much and are part of an American way of celebrating the Fourth of
July. we hardly see them at any other time. they are part of being patriotic and
how we celebrate our independence.

This is what is key and for those who miss the symbolic connection and fail to
see their fourth of July link, sorry but reading more about the Declaration of
Independence would help.
12:17 am edt 

Re: Parade

Perhaps info from other towns on how they manage including may be challenging
storms instead of just a cancellation would be appropriate...   Don't be hasty
others towns managed through the storm.. Why couldn't Provincetown?

I guess it's easier to say no then think ahead...  What else does the rec
director have to do?
12:14 am edt 

Re: Summer Police

"Wondering if anyone else has noticed the positive attitude this
summer's forcehas.  Many have smiles on their faces and are approachable to
tourists.  We appreciate the extra effort and it's not going un-noticed."

Totally agree.
12:12 am edt 

Funny

I find it funny that when I post something about the money for the projects that
were approved but never happened like the new fencing for the Doris Greenfelder
park, or the extension of the bike lane on Bradford extension that was supposed
to meet the new lanes on the seashore road. They never get posted on here.
Ironically the chair of the finance committee is also the moderator of this
blog. I wonder where the money is and why is it not being done.


Webmaster Comment: Point  of clarification,the Webmaster is not the Chair of the Finance Committee.

Further to your point, the subject posting was published on July 7th 5:22 pm....see below. Please check archives to confirm. 


"Speaking of Recreation

Two projects were brought forth and I believe voted on by the voter about two
years ago. 1, New fencing and cleanup of the Greenfelder Memorial Park at the
corner of Bradford and Howland. and 2, The extension of the bike lane at
Bradford Ext. that would meet up with the new lane on the Seashore Road. No
progress appears to have been made on either of these projects. Where is the
money?"
5:22 pm edt

11:48 pm edt 

Re: Summer Police Officers

I agree; the police are doing a great job this summer.  They still do
their public safety jobs, but with a more community-minded attitude.  Kudos to
the department
11:43 pm edt 

Re: Parade - Recreation Director

I personally believe that, based on the information we had the day or
two prior to the 4th, it was the right decision to cancel the Parade.  As
someone previously said, the storm petered out, but it could have gone the other
way.

However, as others have already indicated, the town residents pay close to more
than $50,000 in administrative personnel costs at the Recreation Department, if
we are to include the fringe benefits of the Recreation Director.  I have no
objections to paying this level of costs, if we get more than $50,000 worth in
town recreation services.  But when I learn of what other Cape Town recreation
departments are doing, and compare them with what we're getting in services, I
believe there's much to be desired.
11:40 pm edt 

Re: 4th of July Fireworks

"Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but the cost of safety and
security personnel required for the annual fireworks display is often more than
double the cost of the actual fireworks display."



OK, I'll correct you.  You are wrong.  Way off in fact.
11:38 pm edt 

Re: 4th of July Fireworks

From the Desk of the Joker

I did not say the fireworks were bad, I clearly stated they lasted 17
minutes...In prior years, they lasted 22 minutes. For the amount of people who
travel from up Cape and probably beyond, we just need to make it worth their
time.

Once again, I signed my name and voiced my opinion without targeting anyone. I
am not a coward and will not lower myself to the sub-standard mindless person
who felt the need to call me a joke.
11:24 pm edt 

Summer Police Officers

Wondering if anyone else has noticed the positive attitude this summer's force
has.  Many have smiles on their faces and are approachable to tourists.  We
appreciate the extra effort and it's not going un-noticed.
3:46 pm edt 

Re: 4th of July Fireworks

I know it is the crazy part of me that is anti-fireworks, but whoever
is comparing fireworks to cathedrals is making me feel less crazy.  Fireworks
last for seconds or minutes.  Cathedrals and other such monuments last for
centuries or even millennia.  Pilgrim Monument = Good.  Fireworks = DUMB!!!
3:44 pm edt 

Re: 4th of July Fireworks

"The fireworks are a joke, sorry folks."


Don't be sorry Roger since you are the joke.  People like them.  this is a small
town with a limited ability to raise money.  You want better (longer) fireworks? 
Raise lots of money or go to Boston.  We sat on the beach near the mews and had
a great time.  Sorry that you didn't.
3:42 pm edt 

July 4th Fireworks

I can't believe the amount of people who come here for the fireworks. This past
July 4th, I timed it, and they lasted approx 17 minutes. It's a waiste of time
but I guess the fireworks are a way of getting people to come here. If this town
put as much time and effort as they do for the carnival parade, then maybe the
fireworks would last longer. The fireworks are a joke, sorry folks.

Roger Green
1:46 pm edt 

Fireworks are Fabulous

What would this town be like without them? it is not a straight or gay
thing--though sometimes I've heard that--it is how we in the state celebrate.
they are magnificent and we need them because people love them and they come
here to see the fireworks exploding above our deep ports.
1:44 pm edt 

Re: 4th of July Fireworks

The Fireworks are a Huge Economic Asset for the Town

For businesses, it is a great success. and for all of us who just love
fireworks, it is tradition, it is the fourth, it is America!

Maybe you don't like parties either!
1:41 pm edt 

Re: Agency Wars?

"I heard its Atlantic Bay is taking over Pat Shultz Real
Estate...Has anyone heard more?"



If they have, or are involved, you can bet they are NOT going to post it on
Shout Out. Hostile takeover. Get a grip.
1:39 pm edt 

Re: 4th of July Fireworks - Humankind Does Not Live by Bread Alone
 
"There are people struggling to live in our town and we spend tens of
thousand of dollars shooting colored explosives into the air over our precious
harbor."


All during the history of mankind there have been people struggling to live
while people made art and grand public works that we now enjoy.  Cathedrals and
so many other buildings that we love to see were all built while so many were
struggling.  Wrong?  Should we forget art since it uses resources that could
relieve the struggles of so many? What does that say about addressing the fact
of human nature?  It is a real conundrum.  Humans are many things but perfect is
not one of them.  I go crazy when I see how much money is spent on pets, but
what can be done?  Is is possible or desirable to try to achieve the goal of a
society that has no one in need?  Every previous attempt to achieve utopia has
failed.  Why?
1:32 pm edt 

Citizen Involvement

To all the people suggesting that citizens should stop complaining
And get involved with ptown organizations.
That's like moving a mountain for ptown,way to many chiefs.
10:45 am edt 

Re: 4 th of July Parade

Could someone please explain how we can go through life without making
occasional, or even frequent "wrong decisions?  It is truly fascinating to think
that some expect total perfection from others but don't demand it of themselves.
So, the parade was cancelled because it was felt that the weather and other
factors were against us. Ok, not correct in hindsight, but big deal?  Not so
sure of that.
10:21 am edt 

Re: Agency Wars?

"Someone mentioned in a blog today that there is a hostile real estate
take over of one firm in town?"

Interesting.  I know how hostile takeovers of public companies can occur, but
organizations like local real estate agencies?  Explain, for us unenlightened.
10:19 am edt 

Re: 4 th of July Parade

The 4 th  of July parade has never been good, not like years
ago. People don't  get involved any more, it's not his faul, it's the towns.
They rather spend the money on things they want, not what the people want. You
can't fight city hall.
10:18 am edt 

4th of July Fireworks

I think fireworks are a TOTAL waste of resources and a hollow way to
celebrate Independence Day.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but the
cost of safety and security personnel required for the annual fireworks display
is often more than double the cost of the actual fireworks display.

There are people struggling to live in our town and we spend tens of thousand of
dollars shooting colored explosives into the air over our precious harbor.
10:16 am edt 

Monday, July 7, 2014

Charter Revision

An interesting question is what the BoS may want to do with the Ad Hoc Charter
Revision Committee.  All of the terms of the members expire next month
(August/2014).  Will the BoS allow the Ad Hoc committee to continue it's work? 
Take a hiatus?  Restructure the membership?  Only allow membership totally
exclusive to their nominees?  They have shown their hand with regard to
political dissidents.

Comment submitted by: Mark Juaire
10:39 pm edt 

Re: Parade - Recreation Director

Nice guy but Not a Leader

Why couldn't he pull a group together and have the parade on Saturday? Why? He
just cancelled the parade. that was the easiest but not the right decision. get
it together. Make it happen.

This is a major part of his job and ---what a disaster! this is the best he
could do? Cancel the parade? Let's look more closely at what he really is
doing--or not doing.
9:20 pm edt 

Re: Parade

"The biggest event of the year,carnival,has been going down hill year
after year, no community sponsorship,just liquor and credit Card companies."



Why so many idiotic posts here?  Maybe carnival is not as good as it once was,
maybe it is better, but one thing is for sure there are a lot more things than
Liquor and credit card companies.  Also carnival is not a rec dept activity. 
So, if you don't like it get involved and try making a positive effort to make
it better.  Enough with the stupid pissing and moaning.
8:59 pm edt 

Parade:

You're right decisions were made.. But, the wrong one.  Is funny that Wellfleet
was able to continue with their parade and I believe they had the same Hurricane
Warning...

That just goes to show that they can plan outside the box...  Nice Job Wellfleet
....
8:57 pm edt 

Re: Recreation Director

I hope a member of the BOS reads Shout Out
So they can do something about this Rec Director

I'm sure he's a nice guy, but not the right person
For this position.

Keeping fingers crossed
8:56 pm edt 

Agency Wars?

Someone mentioned in a blog today that there is a hostile real estate
take over of one firm in town?
What firm is that?  I heard its Atlantic Bay is taking over Pat Shultz Real
Estate...Has anyone heard more?
I thought the three new owners just bought it?
What is going on? Susan Davis the former owner is back in the office in the
merger???
5:32 pm edt 

Charter Enforcement - Mark Juaire

I was informed today by Julia Perry and Doug Johnstone that the
Charter Enforcement Commission (CEC) representatives to the Ad Hoc Charter
Revision Committee were not originally required to be approved by the BoS. 
Therefore, they have informed me that I was not required to appear before the
BoS for approval as an alternate member of the Ad Hoc committee, representing
the CEC.

They have advised me I am now the alternate representative to the Ad Hoc
committee, as elected by the CEC.  Doug Johnstone was very kind in apologizing
for the error.

Sincerely,
Mark Juaire
5:30 pm edt 

Town Employees - Good / Bad

First the Town Manager.  Then The Police Chief.  Then The Building
Inspector. Now the Rec Director.

Seems like this town specializes in incompetency.  Do we have any employees that
know their jobs and don't get overpaid and didn't piss off the posters on this
site?

Let's try something different and start to figure out who is any good and is
paid properly and write about them.  Any takers to head this project?
5:25 pm edt 

Speaking of Recreation
 
Two projects were brought forth and I believe voted on by the voter about two
years ago. 1, New fencing and cleanup of the Greenfelder Memorial Park at the
corner of Bradford and Howland. and 2, The extension of the bike lane at
Bradford Ext. that would meet up with the new lane on the Seashore Road. No
progress appears to have been made on either of these projects. Where is the
money?
5:22 pm edt 

Parades

Ptown does such things,as the parade,half assed. A couple
Of fire engines,selectmen etc,that's it.
The Christmas walk is another poorly planned event,half the stores don't
Open or cooperate and the streets are empty.
The biggest event of the year,carnival,has been going down hill
Year after year, no community sponsorship,just liquor and credit
Card companies.
5:21 pm edt 

Re: 4th of July Parade - Recreation Department

As of 2013, our Rec Department Director earned $ 45,839.  His
Assistant earned $37,000. She resigned last year. Was another one hired?  You
decide if the Provincetown residents are getting $45,839 worth in rec services.
1:37 pm edt 

Re: Sharon Lynn

As to Sharon Lynn, the trasher ended up being trashed herself.  How
ironic.
1:16 pm edt 

Re: 4th of July Parade

"...just tell us what your real agenda against the rec director is."



The real agenda???  For a town department head who earns a salary that few year
round residents earn, what does he really do, besides schedule activities in the
department? and the parade?  What many of us in town wonder is why has he been
able to go this long without any improvement in his performance?  And we all
know the pigsty of a building he ran when it was on Bradford Street!
1:14 pm edt 

Re: 4th of July Parade

Quit crying about the cancelled parade for crying out loud.  There was
a weather panic set off in the media over the global warming caused hurricane
heading our way.  Decisions had to be made and they were made in the publics
best interest.

I'm sure there were hundreds of people lining the streets in the rain waiting
for the parade that didn't come as you say.  I'd bet a dollar if the parade was
held you'd be complaining that the rec director held the parade and your new
fourth of july flag hat got wet or that your view was blocked by the umbrellas
held by hundreds of people lining the streets.  Get a life and just tell us what
your real agenda against the rec director is.
11:43 am edt 

Re: Parade

Really...  The parade should have gone on with or without the bands..  How about
the floats who prepared?  Other towns continued on with theirs.....

If the time was just changed, that would have been all that needed to be
done....

Shame on the Rec Director..  People were waiting on the streets and looked
forward to participating....
10:18 am edt 

Re: 4th of July Parade - Stop Crying and Act

Try being a leader. Try putting together a real parade with all of us.  Is that
so impossible? No, please, don't cry again. Oh, boy, the tears are falling, he
is having trouble breathing, he is suffocating on his tears.

OK Let's try gain. Get this parade going. Get to work. Move you red, white and
blue butt. But what? No, no more crying, No more sobbing. Just get started and
do the work.

Get the parade going. No matter what. what? Oh, dam, you're still crying., so
how can you put a parade together? You can't. Oh, please, just try. Oh, no, here
you go again, you're trying but you can't stop crying. Please, this must stop
and you must start getting the fourth of July Parade going.

They are ready! they are waiting!

Where are you?
9:17 am edt 

Re: Paul De Ruyter's Letter About Inquisition

Who would want to be on a committee if they have to publically be interrogated
before the board of selectmen?

I won't apply to be on a committee. And yet there is a plea for citizens to seek
positions on town boards.

You can't have it both ways: appeal to citizens to join a committee and then
"grill" them if you don't happen to like them.
9:15 am edt 

Increasing Property Values

Provincetown real estate is going nuts again. Mailer's house is
selling for over $3m to the daughter of a famous designer - DVF. For a condo?
Unbelievable. Hope she's got deep designer pockets. She'll need them. While
sales are exploding, offices are contracting. Longtime rivals are about to
become one in a hostile takeover. Every inch of raw land is being developed into
cookie cutter condos and waterfront dumps are being snatched up in bidding wars,
making prices ridiculous - again. Won't be long before the "residences" at
Seashore Point are considered low income housing. Next they'll sell the high
school as timeshares.
Bye buy.
9:13 am edt 

Re: Sharon Lynn

Yes, Sharon trashed a lot of people during her tenure.  She needed a
lot of those people later when she was facing scrutiny. Many of "the trashed"
didn't know they had been trashed and scurried happily to have an honored spot
on Sharon's friends list.  The "trashed" included at least three of the former
selectmen--including both of the chairs, the former president and founder of the
dog park, the current and former town moderators (one of them was well aware of
her status with Sharon), the current president of the Visitors Service Board
(and former long-term library trustee), and the former director of the DPW.

What's even more outrageous is how I know this. Sharon got cocky and arrogant
and for a while thought that she could identify an ally just by looking.  She
did that with me, and boy did I get an earful. My jaw still gapes.
9:11 am edt 

4th of July Parade

The fourth of July Parade is Key to This town and People Love it

and it is the director of Recreation's job to make it happen. What did he do?
Cancel the parade because that was the easy thing to do. He could have brought
together many in this town who would have walked in the parade, driven, danced
if that was necessary and local bands that would have spent one hour driving
through town.

What a lack of thinking. This is major and he just dropped the ball. Big time.
He hasn't had the spotlight on him but when it appears, he does not look too
good. this is the one and only parade he is in charge of. and look what he
didn't do.
9:09 am edt 

Friday, July 4, 2014

Parade

"The key thing the recreation Director does is organize the fourth of
July parade."



You're talking about a guy who, after 5 months of the same treadmill in his
community center needing to be repaired, was finally asked when it was going to
be repaired.  His answer: "It's a long process."  That was in March.  I went to
see if he had gotten it fixed...still with the same old sign on it that it's not
working.  Apparently, he's accountable to no one.
11:59 pm edt 

Parade

Other towns had their parade today.  So what if the band couldn't be here.  The
dir of Rec needs to think out of the box and bring to this town a great parade. 
Stop being lazy

I remember you crying at town mtg for your job, pls do more for the adults like
evening rec classes like volleyball.

Remember rec director our taxes pay for your salary
11:58 pm edt 

Parade

The key thing the recreation Director does is organize the fourth of July
parade.

Do you really believe that? a year-round department
come on, get real!
11:56 pm edt 

Yum, Yum: That Cookout Looks Inviting

Sounds like a fun time and a fun party. good to have these get togethers.
Looking forward to being there.
11:55 pm edt 

Did Jim Baker Become a Parade of One today?
 
Did he ride as the Grand Marshall in his decorated jeep? We should have the
parade tomorrow. so what if we don't have bands. We can march, dance, ride cars
and waves flags. I think there was a shortage of innovative ideas on this one.
the key thing the recreation Director does is organize the fourth of July
parade. so why not think harder and find other ways to bring people to the
street!
8:02 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Resident Sticker

If Candy got a sticker when she no longer was entitled to one, then
what we need to do is revise the language of the policy so that there's no
question that the sticker is for a current resident.  Even signing a statement
in which one attests this to be true, should suffice.  In the meantime, those
who got a sticker while not being residents are "parking sticker welfare
queens"!
5:58 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Resident Sticker

If Candyland is Stealing Money from Parking Revenues

She should be fined and her sticker invalidated. It is easy enough to do. the
sticker is made invalid and when she tries to use it, she is ticketed and made
to pay at the Municipal lot. who does she think she is? Privileged no doubt.

She is small minded and rather arrogant. she has stolen the revenues and should
have to pay when she wants to park. she is no resident and does not get the
privileges that come with residency.
5:56 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

Re: "Granted that Donegan is not as smart as he thinks he is, but when
did he get upset with her?"


Candace was relentless in her attacks on him when he was running for office. 
Tom didn't forget.
11:13 am edt 

Thursday, July 3, 2014

Kettle Calling the Pot Black?

What Vince said about Elaine is tame when compared to what Sharon used to say
about her.  This is the kettle calling the pot black? Maybe, but Sharon dissed
        " often, so much contempt.
11:42 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

Candace committed fraud to secure a resident parking sticker. She submitted a
false registration (not update as required by law) when a "valid" one was
required for the parking sticker. She knows she is not a Resident of
provincetown and has not been a resident for several years.  Worse, she
committed this act intentionally to defraud Provincetown of parking revenue.

So clear. Spin all you want, but your protector just went lame.
11:39 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

It's awesome that all we have to discuss here is Candace's parking
permit.  Times are good!!!!  Stop letting that woman live rent free in your
heads.
11:37 pm edt 

Happy Fourth--Even Though the Fireworks Will Be Saturday the 5th
 
It will rain but still Happy fourth of July! Hope it is a great one and by
Saturday, the rains will be gone and the sun will shine.

I just wish we were still having the parade. If the bands can be there, we are!!
we could have improvised.
10:26 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

"The BOS (Donegan) changed the rules without thinking through the
ramifications.  Then he gets upset with Nagle because she legally got a permit
under his rules."


Granted that Donegan is not as smart as he thinks he is, but when did he get
upset with her?
10:22 pm edt 

This Woman is a Loser

And she is not a resident--thank goodness she sold her property on Commercial
Street--therefore, she is not a resident. But she is so used to misrepresenting
the truth that she misrepresents herself. She is a fake and a fraud. We do not
need people like her here. so glad she is gone but she should take her resident
s ticker with her!
7:08 pm edt 

Candice Nagle

Enough about this person! She is essentially gone from our (Town) political
arena, and any additional comments or publicity about her activities is just
nonsensical. Get over her!?
10:36 am edt 

Jobs:

Have been here for over five years and have not had any problem getting work in
or out of season. People that can't find work must suffer from one on the
following. A debilitating injury, lack of education, lack of ambition or lack of
personality. Or they are afraid to get their hands dirty.
10:34 am edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

The BOS (Donegan) changed the rules without thinking through the
ramifications.  Then he gets upset with Nagle because she legally got a permit
under his rules.

He didn't think it through, that's not Nagle's fault.
10:27 am edt 

Wednesday, July 2, 2014

Re: Businesses

There is NO QUESTION year-round jobs that pay a living wage are hard
to find in Provincetown.  The town has become a seasonal community.  If you are
an American and you can't even find a seasonal job then the problem is likely
you and not America's broken immigration system!!
1:56 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

Candy girl Misrepresented herself . It is plain and simple. Let's not
beat around the bush. You see-this is the behavior from that whole group that
eventually brought them all down. Their "above the law" attitude. From Sharon
Lynne to Jeff jaran to Russel Braun. And all those in between.
1:53 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

"The reality is that the Assessor's Office only looks at residency at a
point in time, generally one year back, rather than on a virtual basis, just
as the IRS only looks at your marital status at a point in time on December 31st.
Obviously at that specific point in time Ms Nagle was a resident.   Frankly, the
Assessor's Property Card still shows she owns property because the card is only
updated once per year.  Even if she subsequently sold her property, as long as
she had proof of residency at a point in time she qualifies for a resident
parking permit, as anyone else does.   Unless she buys property again here, she
won't qualify next y ear.  Bottomline, get over it."


You are wrong-Yes the assessor's office only looks at residency at a point in
time is behind in the update on the assessor's card. BUT you are SUPPOSED TO BE
A CURRENT RESIDENT.If Candy Received a Residents permit she purpordedly
represented herself as a CURRENT RESIDENT now darn well what she was doing and
was dead wrong for doing so!!!!!
1:43 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

"When a parking sticker goes to someone who sold their property in
town we all want to know how that person acquires a resident sticker and can
flout all the rules in getting it that the rest of us had to follow."



There you go again.  "We all" are not interested in your unproven allegations of
corruption.  Not one person has presented ANY evidence that there is anything
wrong with any parking permits.  NONE AT ALL.  Just like a very smart poster
said, SHE OWNS YOU.  You did not see her.  You did not see her car.  You have no
idea whether there was a permit on the suspect car and who owns the car.  You
have NOTHING but dreams and nightmares.  "we all" do not share your paranoia.
10:59 am edt 

Re: Route 6 Sign

"I do not understand why the town does not have a sign on rt 6
directing cars to parking across from the VFW. Fill that lot first and get the
revenue. "



Real friendly.  Make the people who pay our bills walk 1 mile to their
destination so we can make more money.  What in god's name makes so many people
put immediate money in front of common courtesy and common sense.
10:34 am edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

Candy's registration

The reality is that the Assessor's Office only looks at residency at a point in
time, generally one year back, rather than on a virtual basis, just as the IRS
only looks at your marital status at a point in time on December 31st.  
Obviously at that specific point in time Ms Nagle was a resident.   Frankly, the
Assessor's Property Card still shows she owns property because the card is only
updated once per year.  Even if she subsequently sold her property, as long as
she had proof of residency at a point in time she qualifies for a resident
parking permit, as anyone else does.   Unless she buys property again here, she
won't qualify next y ear.  Bottomline, get over it.
10:10 am edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

Parking Stickers

If you go to the assessors website you will see that Ms. Nagle is listed as
owning property at 10 Commercial Sttreet.  Perhaps she still has a Mass license.
If she has a license in a diffferent state but still owns property here I think
she can still get a sticker at a lower rate that a non-property owner.
9:42 am edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

"There used to be a talk show guy who always said, "they're out there today". It
applies like crazy.  "We all" don't want to know anything about
Candy,registrations, stickers, parking rates, Mass laws or anything else that
you nuts want."


I think after the last election, the firing of the Police Chief and the former
Town Manager RUNNING away from town (we all can't wait to see what else we're
going to dig up...I hear that this year's audit report is going to be majorly
interesting) along with the resignation of the Assessor (after it was pointed
out that there were tax irregularities) as well as getting rid of the downright
incompetent building head (let's not even talk about the library flap), I can
say that WE ALL in town are VERY interested in Town Employee malfeasance,
ineptness, and corruption.

When a parking sticker goes to someone who sold their property in town we all
want to know how that person acquires a resident sticker and can flout all the rules
in getting it that the rest of us had to follow.

We all want to know if she presented an invalid and illegal registration to get it,
and we're ALL sick of the posts on here from a certain small number of people
who keep saying "look the other way, we're not interested". Again, by the last election
OH YES, we're ALL interested. And we want anyone who's corrupt to go and go NOW.

It's about time we took the town back from these hacks who are ruining the town. And
WE will while you keep posting your drivel on here and telling people there's nothing wrong. Obviously, no one is really listening to you.
9:41 am edt 

Route 6 Sign

I do not understand why the town does not have a sign on rt 6
directing cars to parking across from the VFW. Fill that lot first and get the
revenue.
9:24 am edt 

Businesses

Honey, you best get a reality check because most businesses here are seasonal
with visa employees while the year round residents of the town can't get a job
becaue of this.  not to mention many of thhe store owners go south for the
winter.
8:23 am edt 

Tuesday, July 1, 2014

Traffic Sign

The sign at Conwell st and rt6. The sign that instructs people how to
turn left onto rt6. The sign is instructing people to turn left behind the car
going the opposite direction. That is the incorrect way to turn left. Cars
should be turning left in front of the cars going the opposite direction. It is
creating a confusing situation at the light. Some people are doing it the
correct way and others are following the sign. There is going to be an accident
and someone is going to get hurt.
11:43 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

"Does Candy know that it is an MA law that you must change your
registration within 30 days of changing your address? So I think what we all
want to know is, what documents did she present when she went to get her
sticker? It doesn't matter if she paid excise tax, when I went for MY sticker
they made me give them my license and registration. If she gave them a
registration with a Provincetown address, she broke the law since she sold her
condo last year. If that's the document she presented, then Chief Golden should
be on the lookout for her newly repainted Range Rover and ticket and tow her
next time she's in town. AND remove the sticker.


Unless, of course, someone just GAVE her a sticker. Then things become
interesting. Because if WE ALL had to give them our license and registration,why
didn't Candy????"



There used to be a talk show guy who always said, "they're out there today" . 
It applies like crazy.  "We all" don't want to know anything about Candy,
registrations, stickers, parking rates, Mass laws or anything else that you nuts
want. What I really want to know is if Golden has a big net to throw over all
the obsessed kooks out there before they hurt themselves in turning the world
upside down looking for bad guys under the beds and behind fake parking
stickers.  Who knows what the Chief could find.  I'm sure that there are
villages all over the country that have misplaced their idiots and want them
back.  We most certainly must have quite a few of them.
11:39 pm edt 

Candice

As meaningless as her commentary is according to all of you in here, it's
amazing how many of you just can't turn away from her. Face it, she OWNS you.
4:40 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

From: "Thomas Donegan

Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:54 PM
To: David Gardner
Cc: Elaine Anderson
Subject: Excise Tax for Residential Parking Permits
David
Here are back up materials for my proposal re using vehicle excise tax as the
sole mechanism to determine resident/non-resident parking permit fees.   I think
my proposal will make the process fairer, benefit Provincetown taxpayers, and
simplify issuing of resident/non resident permits (after a period of transition,
of course)

Note excise tax is paid at the residential address which is assumed as the same
as the mailing address. (More information can be found on page 10 of the excise
tax guide from the State. )

Please call with questions.


Tom
"
4:37 pm edt 

Re: "Yo Quiero Taco Bell! Don't Forget The Olive Garden!"

"We hear this song and dance, constantly, day in day out. Moaning
about the short season. High cost of doing business. Nothing about making an
over the top profit."


What business do you think makes an over the top profit?  Business owners take
on a lot of risk and most only eke out a meager existence.  These local business
owners work here, live here, spend their money here and employ people here.

There is not a whole lot of money to be made here.  On the other hand the
executives of the chain stores like Banana Republic and restaurants like Olive
Garden that you want to see here make millions of dollars each year while their
workers barely earn enough to pay the rent.  If over the top profits could be
made here then the chain stores would be here already.
4:34 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

Article 2 Eligibility

"6-2-1 RESIDENT Status for Resident vehicle Permit The vehicle of an individual
who pays excise taxes to the Town shall be eligible for a resident permit. A
valid drivers license and registration is required. Approved 03-11-2014, Annual
Traffic Hearing"

Does Candy know that it is an MA law that you must change your registration
within 30 days of changing your address? So I think what we all want to know is,
what documents did she present when she went to get her sticker? It doesn't
matter if she paid excise tax, when I went for MY sticker they made me give them
my license and registration. If she gave them a registration with a Provincetown
address, she broke the law since she sold her condo last year. If that's the
document she presented, then Chief Golden should be on the lookout for her newly
repainted Range Rover and ticket and tow her next time she's in town. AND remove
the sticker.

Unless, of course, someone just GAVE her a sticker. Then things become
interesting. Because if WE ALL had to give them our license and registration,
why didn't Candy????
3:30 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

"If I remember correctly it was Selectman Donegan who came up with the
ideas to change the rules for a resident permit.  It's based on where you pay
your excise tax.

Guess you should have thought that one through a little more, right Tom?"


What is it with all the super stupid posts today.  What does this have to do
with anything.  A legal sticker is a legal sticker, so what?


I guess that the definition is dumb, and makes lots of people who pay huge real
estate taxes, but don't keep a car in PT pay more than others, but that is just
part of our sly way of taking lots of $$$ from those that can't stop us.  Always
has been what we do and always will.   It seems that every year we find someone
who beat the system for a few bucks so we change the rules.  Ok, i guess but, I
still want to park in the pier lot when I feel like it.
3:27 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

"I believe the reason why Candice gets a permit is because she is on a
board and they only pay $5.OO. This means that no matter where you actually live
if you are on a board you get one permit."



Another stupid post.  First you don't know if she has a permit.  Then, you must
tell us what is the board that she is on NOW, and does it have residency
requirements. And, do all members of all boards get $5.00 permits?

More heat and less light.
3:24 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

"The question is how did  she qualify for a resident sticker if not a
resident and who gave it to her?

A call to the Town Clerk as to the matter of residency and to  the Town Manager
or BOS Chair regarding the actual issuance of the residency sticker should clear
up this
issue."



The best way to clear up this issue is for you and your pals to get brain
transplants.  Why do you think that she or anyone else did anything wrong.  You
don't know if it was her.  You don't know the owner of the car in question. If
you truly care, and I can't imagine why, then YOU do the investigating.  But, of
course, your point is to                            not truth.
3:22 pm edt 

Re: Dan Hoort
 
"The Charter committee is Involved with changes in the Charter and its
enforcement

Hoort is in violation of the ethics law. He is compromised by being on the
charter committee since he is acting as a two headed individual: one directing
finances and then interpreting the Charter to his advantage and to his position.
Wrong, wrong and wrong."



The only part of this post that is right is the part that says", Wrong, wrong
and wrong" 'cuz it is all wrong.  The Charter enforcement Committee has nothing
to do with Charter Changes.  NOTHING.  In addition, he is a single votes and can
do NOTHING on his own.

If you are convinced that he is in violation of an ehtics law, then do something
legal instead of using anonymous blogs to spread your BS.

It is you, that is WRONG,WRONG and WRONG, both legally and factually.
3:19 pm edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

If I remember correctly it was Selectman Donegan who came up with the
ideas to change the rules for a resident permit.  It's based on where you pay
your excise tax.

Guess you should have thought that one through a little more, right Tom?
10:01 am edt 

Re: Grudge Match

Re: "The Charter committee is Involved with changes in the Charter and
its enforcement  Hoort is in violation of the ethics law. He is compromised by
being on the charter committee since he is acting as a two headed individual:
one directing finances and then interpreting the Charter to his advantage and to
his position. Wrong, wrong and wrong."



Dieter honey, is that you?  I heard Mr. Hoort is shaking in fear of the chatter
on this blog.  Cause mis-information scares everyone.
9:59 am edt 

Re: Banana Republic and Chain Stores

"Chain stores are here and what's happening when a chain of the
"undersirable" type looks to come to town is nothing but illegal and
discriminatory to a legal business operation."



Your legal understanding is nil.  Zoning, thank goodness, is legal and common
around PT.  There is nothing illegal about restricting certain kinds of
businesses in certain areas.  It has been done and will continue to be done.
9:41 am edt 

To: WIKI

All of those stores you mention are "Pre-existing Non-Conforming", meaning they
were here before the bylaw was written. The only chain that has come to Town
after the bylaw was written is Keils(?). So in a lawsuit the only store that
would be held up as an example is Keils.
9:18 am edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

Article 2 Eligibility

"6-2-1 RESIDENT Status for Resident vehicle Permit The vehicle of an individual
who pays excise taxes to the Town shall be eligible for a resident permit. A
valid drivers license and registration is required. Approved 03-11-2014, Annual
Traffic Hearing"



This is what you need to get a resident parking sticker,  Nothing more, nothing
less.  So if someone has a resident sticker then they must have met the above
requirements.  So instead of continuing your campaign of character assisnation,
why don't you just mind your own business or better yet sign your name so that
we can follow you around town and see what petty violations we can pin on you.

Surely you must have double parked or rolled through a stop sign or went over
the speed limit at some point.  Once we follow you around for a few weeks we can
than post your name on here and let everyone know just what a traffic menace you
are and that you should be banned from driving.
9:15 am edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

I believe the reason why Candice gets a permit is because she is on a
board and they only pay $5.OO. This means that no matter where you actually live
if you are on a board you get one permit. The next problem we have is that the
parking lot attendents park in the lot without permits, taking prime parking
places and a lot of them do not live in town. So what's the problem?, there are
too many special privilages for certain people! Lets be fair to everyone and
start closing the loopholes. Just saying!
9:10 am edt 

Re: Banana Republic and Chain Stores

I too call BS on the person who "heard" from someone in town hall that
Banana Republic was opening in the former Shop Therapy space.  This post seems
more like a trolling expedition to stir the pot.  The season is too short for
the chain stores to have interest in setting up shop here.  If there was enough
profit in it they would be here already.
9:08 am edt 

Re: Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

So much drivel on this web site.  Who cares if you saw Candace driving
a car with a Provincetown parking sticker on it?  Maybe it was not her car. 
Maybe it wasn't even her but someone who looked like her.  Time to get over her
and move on.
9:06 am edt 


Archive Newer | Older

To Read Earlier Comments Click On the Above Dates