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  Mark Silva: A Rich Goodby

The church was packed. There was even a long line to enter St. Peter's. There were people sitting along the side pews. All the pews were filled.

We were there to attest to your legacy, to what you gave to this town and to all of us. You brought the energy for the Portuguese Festival and revived it. You brought the energy for the Regatta and revived this wonderful celebration. You gave of yourself, of your time and of your vision.

The town was there to bid you farewell and to thank you for everything that you have done for us. And you did it with humor, joy and a sense of much celebration. You knew how to throw a party and taught the town to do it too!

You were unique and you will be missed. But you would not leave without our thanks and without a party at the Red Inn. We were there with tears and we were there with much laughter and gratefulness for you.

Adieu, Mark! May the angels carry you on holy wings into eternal peace and celebration!

 

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Monday, June 30, 2014

Candice Nagle - Provincetown Resident Sticker

If indeed Candice has a Provincetown  resident sticker on her car,
and is not a Provincetown resident, that would be illegal.
Residency allows one to park without having to pay a fee.
As a non-resident using this sticker would be fraudulent.

Provincetown's second largest source of revenue is its parking fees.
Fraudulent use of residency stickers represents a threat to our basic
economy.

The question is how did  she qualify for a resident sticker if not a resident and
who gave it to her?

A call to the Town Clerk as to the matter of residency and to  the Town Manager or
BOS Chair regarding the actual issuance of the residency sticker should clear up this 
issue. 
11:26 pm edt 

Re: Grudge Match

The Charter committee is Involved with changes in the Charter and its
enforcement

Hoort is in violation of the ethics law. He is compromised by being on the
charter committee since he is acting as a two headed individual: one directing
finances and then interpreting the Charter to his advantage and to his position.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
11:06 pm edt 

Re: "Yo Quiero Taco Bell! Don't Forget The Olive Garden!"

"If you think prices are high here then you fail to take into account
the high cost of doing businesshere and the short length of the season."



We hear this song and dance, constantly, day in day out. Moaning about the short
season. High cost of doing business. Nothing about making an over the top
profit.

Well, I'm specifically thinking about a certain sea-side restaurant open year
round, packed to the gills at lunch. $45 bucks, lunch, one drink. Olive Garden:
$22, two drinks, two course meal. And not everything is fried...although almost.
10:31 pm edt 

Re: Banana Republic and Chain Stores

From Wiki:

Chain stores are retail outlets that share a brand and central management, and
usually have standardized business methods and practices.
You mean like Cumberland Farms, Tedeschis, Subway (gone now), Marc Jacobs, Stop
& Shop and Ace Hardware? Stop the charades. Chain stores are here and what's
happening when a chain of the "undersirable" type looks to come to town is
nothing but illegal and discriminatory to a legal business operation. Now that
we have chain stores, in the courts opinion, if anyone ever took it to court,
would most likely be the horse is already out of the barn, precident has been
set in allowing them in. I say bring on Dunkins and Starbucks. Bring on
McDonalds and Wendys, lets see some Olive Garden and Outback Steakhouse. Don't
strong business owners always say competition makes for better business?
9:28 pm edt 

Re: "Dunkin' Donuts"

Too bad you and the supporter of Banana Republic weren't here before the Cape
Cod National Seashore was established -- when other greedy Neanderthals also
tried to turn us into Route 1.

We can never achieve that, nor can we hope to become another Nantucket for those
who bemoan our relative lack of mansions. We can only become a pale imitation of
those places while we lose what's left of our identity to make a buck or two.

But you're too cruller to care.
9:21 pm edt 

Re: Banana Republic and Chain Stores

"I heard that the Banana Republic Store may be going into the old Shop
Therapy location."



You heard, eh.  BS Tell us what and where you "heard".  Love rumors and lies. 
If you know, tell us, if you don't shut up.
9:18 pm edt 

Re: Candyland Sighting at Blessing of the Fleet

"Time to leave and take your fake registrations with you."


"fake registration"?  Vile and disgusting describes your sick obsession with
other people.     .
9:16 pm edt 

Re: Candyland Sighting at Blessing of the Fleet

"Candyland was sighted driving on Macmillan wharf in a car with
Provincetown registration."



More proof that this site attracts stupid people.  Provincetown does NOT
register cars.  The State does. And, why the obsession with others with whom you
may differ.  Who cares about her and what she may have been driving.  Grow up or
go to your your room
9:13 pm edt 

Re: Grudge Match

"And look, just look, who is sitting on the charter committee? No one
else than Dan Hoort and his partner Kyleta--both in an illegal attempt to alter
the Charter for their insidious goals. Here we have Dan Hoort working to change
the /charter to increase his power, alter his position--all illegal, all wrong."



It is you who is "ALL WRONG".   Hoort is on the Charter Enforcement Committee,
not the Charter review committee.  His committee has zero, nada, nothing to do
with altering our charter.  Try overcoming your ignorance and thinking a bit.
You are a              to accuse him of trying to "increase his power".  His
committee has nothing to do with that possibility.      !!
9:10 pm edt 

Re: Grudge Match

"Hoort's Presence on the Charter Committee is Plain and simple
Illegal"


Then do something instead of pissing and moaning here where it does no good at
all.
9:05 pm edt 

Re: Banana Republic and Chain Stores

I heard that the Banana Republic Store may be going into the old Shop
Therapy location. Wouldn't it be nice if Dunkin' Donuts was on Conwell at the
vacant gas station!
7:52 pm edt 

Re: "Yo Quiero Taco Bell! Don't Forget The Olive Garden!"

If you can't find a place to have lunch for under $40 here in
Provincetown then you are eating in all the wrong places.  If you think prices
are high here then you fail to take into account the high cost of doing business
here and the short length of the season.
7:50 pm edt 

Re: Banana Republic and Chain Stores

First Marc Jacobs, then Kiehls, now Banana Republic?? Seriously? Never
mind that these are chain stores, how much more bland and homogenized can we
get, P'town?

Remember when you could walk down Commercial St. and watch a sea of different,
creative, original people? People who chose to live outside the box, follow the
beat of a different drum. People who shopped at the small local businesses and
wore unique and creative fashion.

Now it's whatever Marc Jacobs picks out for you. So sad what we have become.
7:47 pm edt 

Re: "Yo Quiero Taco Bell! Don't forget The Olive Garden!"

Yeah. And don't forget their prices are somewhat regulated. Meaning you might be
able to have lunch for under $40. What a concept.
4:11 pm edt 

Vile and Disguting

Oh, that equation leads to Candlyland herself. she is a spiteful woman and we
are a better town without her presence. Sharon spent much time talking and
e-mailing and placating this sick woman, but we don't have to.

Time to leave and take your fake registrations with you.

You are not missed.
3:20 pm edt 

Provincetown Pier

Rex and his staff are doing a great job. Things seem  to happen seamlessly. 
With many overlapping events and increased numbers in the passenger ferries,
they keep it all moving and well timed.
3:09 pm edt 

Slow Start?

The town seems somewhat slow considering it is summer.  Sunday night
there were many vacancies at hotels which are usually full by now.  Maybe it is
just because the 4th falls later in the week but many businesses seem slow when
they are usually busy already.
3:04 pm edt 

Banana Republic and Chain Stores

Was this just a rumor or is Banana Republic looking to ome into town and set up
a store?  Wasn't there an article passted at town meeting a couple of years ago
banning chain stores in town?  What's up with this?
3:02 pm edt 

Harbor Master - Great Job!

How about a "SHOUT OUT" to the Harbor Master and his entire department
for a successful and nicely coordinated Blessing. Great job Rex.  

Jim King
12:14 pm edt 

Re: Grudge Match

Hoort's Presence on the Charter Committee is Plain and simple Illegal

You might as well had david Gardner running for Charter Committee. there are
limits on who can run given--your town position. this is madness, my friends,
pure madness. this is so self-serving, it reeks with greediness and
self-importance.
12:04 pm edt 

Candyland Sighting at Blessing of the Fleet


Candyland was sighted driving on Macmillan wharf in a car with Provincetown registration. Does this mean she is back? Was she driving someone else’s car? And if indeed she is not now a resident of Provincetown and it was her car, how did she acquire the registration sticker?

Both questions can be answered by Town Hall:

·         Residency (Town Clerk)

·         Car Resident Sticker (Parking)

What’s up?

 
11:57 am edt 

Re: Grudge Match

Someone kept saying on here that Hoort and Klytta thought they were running for
the wrong committee. I think the attempted nomination the other night bore that
out. I agree that changing the Charter isn't supposed to be a personal vendetta,
but a collaborative effort to see what isn't working. I don't really see
anything that isn't except the residency requirement and they also voted to
advance that at Town Meeting this Fall.

So why should we have it? We can amend it as we want via warrants at town
meeting, so why keep it going? It seems pretty pointless. As issues come up we
can put out a warrant to change, but we've never done it often in the past,
don't think we need to do it now.
11:42 am edt 

Sunday, June 29, 2014

Re: Grudge Match?

Candyland should Move to Rehobeth Beach

And be the Head of Dogs and Sick Animals. She would be perfect for this group
and we could only hope she would treat dogs better than she treats citizens. But
that would be Rehobeth Beach's and Sharon Lynn's problem.

Hire her now!
11:05 pm edt 

Re: Outer Cape Health

I am Missing Dr. Robert O'Rouke at Outer Cape Health"



This is why I stopped using Outer Cape for anything other than short-term health
care issues.  Every time I had a great provider, he or she didn't stay long. 
Don't know why, but the retention rates seem to be low at this outfit.  Got
tired of this revolving door, so I went somewhere else.  No regrets - same
doctor for the last 20 years.  And excellent service.

11:03 pm edt 

Re: Grudge Match

Is this something that happened recently or when Sharon Lynn was still town
manager?
10:46 pm edt 

Re: Possible Added Attraction

Banana Republic

Great. Another bland, suburban chain store to make P'town depressingly more like
the places vacationers are trying to escape. Bring on the outlet mall, dammit!
Yo quiero Taco Bell! Don't forget The Olive Garden!
10:42 pm edt 

Re: Grudge Match?

You don't even need the e-0mails: It was the Sharon Lynn, Jeff Jaran,
Dan Hoort Plot

And look, just look, who is sitting on the charter committee? No one else than
Dan Hoort and his partner Kyleta--both in an illegal attempt to alter the
Charter for their insidious goals. Here we have Dan Hoort working to change the
charter to increase his power, alter his position--all illegal, all wrong.

and you need an e-mail or two?
10:40 pm edt 

Upset

I am very upset. The weather is beautiful, my business is booming, people are
having fun, everyone seems to be doing their jobs and there are a lot of smiles
all around. There is nothing to SHOUT OUT about.
10:32 pm edt 

Saturday, June 28, 2014

Grudge Match?

Will someone post the e-mail from Sharon Lynn to Ann & Candy asking
them to check setting up a charter review as a way to get fincom neutered

I hear Mark/Marco blew the cover on Monday night. Now everyone knows Charter
Revision Committee is nothing more than a grudge match against the Finance
Committee.

11:50 pm edt 

Possible Added Attraction

It is so nice to have Marc Jacobs and Kiell's in town this summer. I
heard from someone in town hall that a Banana Republic store may be here next!
11:45 pm edt 

Re: Outer Cape Health - Dr. O'rouke

"I am Missing Dr. Robert O'Rouke at Outer Cape Health

He should be there. He was the best. He was attentive, committed and a good
diagnostician. But he is gone and I am sad.

And why? Because he was not brining in the patients, not standing on commercial
Street saying, come on in!! this is ridiculous and a loss for all of us. I don't
want someone who is only going to see me for ten minutes regardless of whether
he or she knows what is really going on medically. but they don't seem to care.

Bring them in and send them out--whether they are healed or not.

Bring back Dr. Robert O'Rouke!!"



I couldnt agree more-!!!!!! He was incredible. I had a partially torn tendon and
could not walk well for months- he healed me. He knew exactly what to do. He was
right on.  I miss him!!!
11:42 pm edt 

Outer Cape Health - Dr. O'rouke

It's not a reflection on anyone that people are only seen for xxx amount of time.
It's insurance driven. Unfortunately the insurance companies set the time on how
long a physician cam spend with each patient. It's all money driven. That's what
certain professions have come to. I often wonder what would happen if we all
went on strike and stopped paying for certain things. Would they hear us then.
11:40 pm edt 

Outer Cape Facebook Beacon

Outer Cape Facebook Beacon is the New Slaughterhouse

full of pirates, thieves and queens - OHR can't play nice
11:38 pm edt 

Friday, June 27, 2014

Outer Cape Facebook Page

The new Outer Cape page is surprisingly an open Facebook page. It's
called Provincetown/Truro/Wellfleet Beacon
7:25 pm edt 

Provincetown Landscaping and Painting

There are many new landscaping and painting business in town. While
some may do a great job, make sure anyone you hire has insurance or they may be
owning your home or business. Ask for proof of insurance.
7:23 pm edt 

Outer Cape Health

I am Missing Dr. Robert O'Rouke at Outer Cape Health

He should be there. He was the best. He was attentive, committed and a good
diagnostician. But he is gone and I am sad.

And why? Because he was not brining in the patients, not standing on commercial
Street saying, come on in!! this is ridiculous and a loss for all of us. I don't
want someone who is only going to see me for ten minutes regardless of whether
he or she knows what is really going on medically. but they don't seem to care.

Bring them in and send them out--whether they are healed or not.

Bring back Dr. Robert O'Rouke!!
7:21 pm edt 

Character Assignation

I'd like a character assignation, please.

Maybe one of the Spanish football team.
6:08 pm edt 

Outer Cape Facebook

What's the name of the new Outer Cape Facebook page full of pirates
and thieves? LOL
6:04 pm edt 

Dan Hoort - Finance Director

Re: No wonder Hoort thinks Clarence Walker is an idiot.


I've talked to Mr. Hoort about Mr. Walker.  I don't think he has said Mr. Walker
is an idiot, he just has no respect for him.
6:02 pm edt 

Re: Finance Diector

"I guess I don't know what the job description entails.  Recent meeting
between the BOS and Pier Corp. discussed difficulty with reconciliation of their
respective budgets.  Both have different auditors.  Five years and no
resolution.  I don't get it.  For almost 3 years we couldn't get an answer as to
how much the policing of the pier cost.  There never seems to be a clear
understanding of where the money goes in this town.  What are the finance
directors responsibilities?  Do we need this position?"



The character assignation by those on this blog and finance committee member
Walker continues.  If you don't know the answer go ask him.

No wonder Hoort thinks Clarence Walker is an idiot.
11:01 am edt 

Friday, June 27, 2014

Finance Director

I guess I don't know what the job description entails.  Recent meeting between
the BOS and Pier Corp. discussed difficulty with reconciliation of their
respective budgets.  Both have different auditors.  Five years and no
resolution.  I don't get it.  For almost 3 years we couldn't get an answer as to
how much the policing of the pier cost.  There never seems to be a clear
understanding of where the money goes in this town.  What are the finance
directors responsibilities?  Do we need this position?
12:49 am edt 

Castral Maps???

That's my favorite Van Morrison album.  Er... maybe that was Astral Weeks. I'm
not sure.  Its been a long time and lotsa drugs since that came out in '68.
12:47 am edt 

Take a Look at Bangs Street Extension

that was and remains a public end of the street road that was part of the town.
and the developers at Bangs Street, with help of town employees, just paved over
the road as if it were theirs--and guess what? If you walk down there now, they
have landscaped the edges and use it as a private area and for use for parking
of the condominiums. Here is an outright usurping of town land that now appears
to be private land. but this just happened a few years ago and no one has
registered much of a complaint.

I find it egregious and offensive and it is a stealing of town land so a
developer can use the land to her advantage and then create multiple parking
spaces and it all looks so "beautiful." but it is illegal and for this small
street the turn arounds now appear to be private when they still remain public,
even with the paving over. Just paving over a piece of land does not make it
yours@!
12:46 am edt 

Proprety Lines

I had my property surveyed because I wanted to know exactly where my boundary
lines were. I walked my property and thought i knew and my neighbors though they
knew where their lines were so in order to avoid a dispute we each had our
property surveyed and guess what, one and  a half feet of what my neighbor
though he owned was actually mine. While our deeds explained listed the
dimensions of our property at each corner my neighbors and i though it was
better to have the properties profesionally surveyed. What professionals were
with the board of selectmen?
12:10 am edt 

Property Lines

Years ago, when the house next to me sold, the developers had the land surveyed
as they "rebuilt" the two buildings there. When they removed the old, wooden,
broken down retaining wall and installed a spanking new up to date cement one; I
suddenly had two feet of more space between my shed and where the old retaining
wall.

You can't build more land--but suddenly I had more--I guess the surveyors
discovered that they were over the boundry by two feet. No matter what--I now
have a solid, cement retaining wall that will last long after I'm gone..and no
more dirt sliding into my yard : )
12:08 am edt 

Cadastral It Is

My bad! Cadastral it is . Go to the town web site, click on Assessor's
dept., scroll on left to maps. The Cadastral map will appear and you can see the
difference between the red property lines and the blue town boarders.
11:56 pm edt 

Re: Let's Take a Break

Good God People!!!

You don't just MOVE a property line for your covienience, whether to pave or
not. What happened is the pavers overstepped the lines of the road layout. If
the pavement is on your property, you now own it or you can request to have it
removed. Nobody moved any lines. Your propery lines and boundaries and ownership
are the same no matter what happens on the surface.
11:54 pm edt 

Stop the Madness With Affordable Housing!

Didn't Cheryl Andrews recently post something about the population of
Provincetown being about 2,800 with the median age somewhere around 50. If we
already have over 10% of the year round units set aside as affordable, why
should we build more? If anything, considering the aging population, affordable
units should be for the elderly. Stop the madness with this affordable housing!
11:51 pm edt 

Facebook

There's a new Outer Cape facebook page full of pirates and thieves.
It's a hoot.
11:49 pm edt 

Wednesday, June 25, 2014

Re: Let's Take a Break

"If you look at the castral maps for Bradford Street Ext. you will see
that anywhere from 7 to maybe 18 feet is owned by the town on either side of the
paved road and many properties that abut the paved road claim the town land for
their own parking and use."


"castral"?  Are you sure?  Maybe cadastral?
8:31 pm edt 

Building in the Air Over the Grace Hall Parking Lot

Timothy Guy Olive is proposing building over Grace Hall, a publicly owned piece
of property. And encouraged people to attend a meeting focusing on
private/public partnerships in housing development along with a local developer
supporting this project who has a history of asking for town money and
concession for his building projects.

One assumes that this project would receive some kind of government financial
assistance if not out-right cash.

I think it's laudable that Mr. T.G.O has found a feasible way to fund this
project through 100% private funding.

One assumes that the air rights in perpetuity over Grace Hall at market value
would bring millions of much-needed dollars into town which will go far to pay
for our 16M capital improvements. What's is his secret in affording all this?
7:06 pm edt 

Re: Property Lines

My property line was short... Had it surveyed..
The town had paved over two feet of my property during repaying
Projects. Gee.  That cost over two thousand  to learn the town
Records were wrong.
7:03 pm edt 

Re: Let's Take a Break

Property Lines

"So today, if you were on Commercial Street in the morning, you would
have seen the BOS and others trying to determine if property lines were moved to
pave the street."



I wonder if the "others" were licensed surveyors?  I wonder why the poster who
questioned the BOS being on the street was able to read the entire post? Or was
it another trash talker that dumps on anything that any authority does?  I'm
sure that the next post from the trasher will be about why the BOS let the
paving proceed in such a fashion.  Of course, that will be before anything has
been determined.  Attack first.  Think later.
7:01 pm edt 

Re: Let's Take a Break
 
Property Lines

"And exactly how are they going to determine if property lines were
moved considering they are not licensed surveyors."



Is it possible that they had an engineer with them?  I am not so sure that you
need to be a "licensed surveyor" to determine that there might be a property
boundary problem.  In court or for legal permitting, agreed, but to investigate
a situation, no.
6:57 pm edt 

Re: Let's Take a Break

Property Lines

What does "move a property line" mean?  Did someone undercover of
darkness move boundary markers to "steal" land?  How can I tell if I was robbed? 
It's time to call a surveyor I guess.
12:33 pm edt 

Re: Let's Take a Break

If you look at the castral maps for Bradford Street Ext. you will see
that anywhere from 7 to maybe 18 feet is owned by the town on either side of the
paved road and many properties that abut the paved road claim the town land for
their own parking and use. Specifically look at the Moors condos parking
perpendicular to the road on town property  and the bike shop that even posts
parking for their customers only. If any boundaries were moved during road work
all these areas should revert back to the town for public parking not for
pirated private use.
12:31 pm edt 

Re: Let's Take a Break


Are you serious?  The BoS were out on Commercial Street trying to determine if
property lines were moved to pave the street - you're kidding, right?  And
exactly how are they going to determine if property lines were moved considering
they are not licensed surveyors.
9:23 am edt 

Wednesday, June 25, 2014

Re: Assistant Town Manager

"Well, so Far David Gardner is Doing a Good Job

He is understated and practical. He seems to be under the radar and keeping the
town afloat. I'd like to see him get a position that involves town planner,
administrator and interim town manager--for two years let's say.

We need time to reflect, to let things happen normally, and not bring in another
with "new Ideas." we've been there and she was a disaster. she had blinders in
hiring and we can look back to Jeff Jaran and Russell Braun as starters.

Gardner so far is doing a good job. and that is not easy at this time in
Provincetown
".


Could not agree more!!!!  QUESTION IS-Does David want to stay on?
12:13 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

Assistant Town Manager Leaving

A previous post states "we've lost several people to Truro and most recently the
building inspector. Theres the possibility the assistant town manager will go to
either Truro of Wellfleet".  

I think he likes Provincetown enough that he would not leave to take a position
in another town.
12:11 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

Let's see if the taxpayers have the courage to request combining assistant town
manager and town planner as one position and eliminate the existing town
planner postiion on town hall floor.  I'm guessing things will sttay status quo.
12:07 am edt 

Let's Take a Break

So today, if you were on Commercial Street in the morning, you would
have seen the BOS and others trying to determine if property lines were moved to
pave the street. What happens if they were moved, we can't pave the street
again. Maybe the town just needs to take a break from any more big projects, 12
years now since the sewer construction began.
11:59 pm edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

The assistant town manager position is certainly not new to town.  One of the
first to hold the position was Mark Forrest who went on to work for Gerry
Studds; then we had Michelle Jarusiewicz (who served as acting town manager more
than once).

There are many times on the lower cape that have assistants including Truro,
Orleans and Harwich.  Doesn't matter what you call the job, clearly David
Gardner has been working hard for Provincetown and is working even harder now.

11:58 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

We would have more housing if all the illegal immigrants didn't get To
live in the low income housing,,,,,, tell me how does that work?   You can come
here illegally but still qualify for assistance.   Great system.
11:56 pm edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

RE: ". . .something tells me the current acting town manager will
become the real town administrator in either Truro or
Wellfleet considering they're both looking for people. I think the political
environment here is too caustic and the offered money is better."



I heard the Provincetown finance director was asked to and did apply for the
Truro town manager job.  Search firm contacted him.  Money is better in Truro
and so is the environment.
5:34 pm edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

The assistant town manager position isn't new.  Keith Bergman hired
Mark Latour as assistant town manager back around 2003.  Mark was also acting as
the town planner for a while too.  Back around 2004 Bergman created Community
Development Director position (filled by Jon Gilmore) , then eliminated both
Gilmore and Latour about a year later.
5:32 pm edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

Well, so Far David Gardner is doing a good Job

He is understated and practical. He seems to be under the radar and keeping the
town afloat. I'd like to see him get a position that involves town planner,
administrator and interim town manager--for two years let's say.

We need time to reflect, to let things happen normally, and not bring in another
with "new Ideas." we've been there and she was a disaster. she had blinders in
hiring and we can look back to Jeff Jaran and Russell Braun as starters.

Gardner so far is doing a good job. and that is not easy at this time in
Provincetown.
11:32 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

"So if we didn't have an assistant town manager who the       would be
running the town town?  Can you grasp the concept of Vice President or even
Deputy??"


In fact, most town don't have an assistant.  The idea is to have a person who
can be the back up to the manager.  That person can be a staff member that is
cross trained on the essential parts of the manager's job. The town would run
just as well if Gardner was the twon Planner and had a working knowledge of the
manager's crucial duties.  The title s unimportant.  Many towns have the
treasurer or town accountant take over during vacations, illness etc.  Many town
will hire an interim manager when the job is open.  there are many retired
managers that love short term assignments and have great experience.
11:30 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

As a resident property owner and business owner it offends me that
someone would tell me not to question how tax dollars are spent. I posted the
question of the need for an assistant town manager, a 100 thousand dollar/year
position. I did so because no one has ever explained to me why this position was
created and why it needs to remain.
11:28 am edt 

Town Hall Chairs

Vernon, thanks for your input and as an aside if anyone from town wishes to sit
in a comfortable "chair" that may work for Town Hall please visit the new space
at the Film Society venue at Whaler's Wharf , the smaller room to the left and
sit in those seats, they are durable, attractive and most of all comfortable. I
called the company today and am awaiting a response, I am on it Vernon.

Rick Murray
1:41 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

Posters are questioning the need for Asst. Town Mgr. position! The
Town never needed one! it was a job created for a friend yrs. ago! The position
and salary should have been deleted from the budget! Bergman was Town Mgr. for
17 years & never filled the position! David Gardner,who is planner & Asst. Town
Mgr.,(now  Acting T. mgr.) could combine  the position  with a higher salary and
continue both!

Take the current  Planner who is new & still unfamiliar with our
system and perhaps that position can become  Adm. Secretary in the Planning
Dept, thereby deleting  Asst. Town Mgr's. position! At a greater savings  to the
Town bUdget!! Better way to go!
1:39 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

So if we didn't have an assistant town manager who the       would be
running the town town?  Can you grasp the concept of Vice President or even
Deputy??
1:35 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

Considering we lost our health agent years ago to Truro, a few police officers
over the years and the recent building inspector, something tells me the current
acting town manager will become the real town administrator in either Truro or
Wellfleet considering they're both looking for people. I think the political
environment here is too caustic and the offered money is better.
1:20 am edt 

Re: Town Hall Chairs

It's Time For Real Chairs For People With Real Backs

These are atrocious. They were designed for others years ago and not for long
meetings or watching a two hour film!!that you have to add seats and that this
is not enough to kill your back and make you feel so uncomfortable proves we
have a major problem here.

I think it was the historical commission with Eric Dray and Polly Burnell who
felt they were so so historic--after spending $13 million to renovate the
building, comfortable, modern seats would be the answer.

Time to move these out and bring in the new!
1:19 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

While we're condensing positions at Town Hall: I say we get David
Gardner to be Town Manager, Asst Town Manager, Town Planner and part of the
maintenance crew. Throw him a few  bucks because anyone would rather have $10
more in their pocket then free time away from work. Oh yeah...and make sure
David WANTS TO DO IT, instead of planning his life for him.
1:15 am edt 

Re: Truth & Reconciliation Commission!!!

I love the "truth and reconciliation" idea. So many people have so
much to work through. People who left town and/or lost their positions with the
town should be invited to participate.
1:13 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

"All town boards are responsible for taking their minutes, approving
them and seeing that they are posted.  So while you may want to attack Matt
because Cheryl hired him direct your complaint where it belongs."



No, I wanted to "attack" Matt because I thought it was his job. It is news to us
library people that the boards are responsible for their own minutes. The chair
of the Library Trustees, Lyn Kratz, has never been responsible for the minutes.
That would involve listening, writing, and spelling, three things                  .

Cheryl completely controlled the library minutes, and the board allowed her to.
No surprise, I guess.
1:10 am edt 

Re: Truth & Reconciliation Commission!!!

"Let's leave Town Hall alone for a while and let the dust continue to
settle.  We don't need to run anyone else out of town.  It's time for a Truth
and Reconciliation Commission!!!"



I saw nothing about "running" anyone out of town.  I saw a couple of thoughtful
posts about staffing level evaluations, which sounds like responsible financial
management.  Discussing needs is not running anyone out of town.
1:07 am edt 

Monday, June 23, 2014

Truth & Reconciliation Commission!!!

Let's leave Town Hall alone for a while and let the dust continue to
settle.  We don't need to run anyone else out of town.  It's time for a Truth
and Reconciliation Commission!!!
11:31 am edt 

Town Hall - Seating

The seats are one issue;  the other is that one us always having to
look through the people in front of you to see anything. For that space to be
our prime Film Festival and Town Meeting and meeting venue, seats shouldn't all
be at the same viewing level.
11:22 am edt 

Assistant Town Manager

"I still question the need for an assistant town manager. We are well
into a year without both a town manager and assistant town manger and all seems
well."



Many Towns larger than PT do not have an assistant TM.  They get along very
well, as we are now.
11:20 am edt 

Town Manager

Did someone quite some time ago mention that David Gardners profession was town
planner.  If that is the case and it's been proven that we can get along nicely
without an assistant town manager then perhaps positions could be combined to
assistant town manager/town planner. Hire a town manager and let David keep the
assistant title making that position town planner as we'll. I. is this not what
other positions are doing  - being combined. Give him a little more money
combining the two positions since he can do both very well.
11:18 am edt 

Monday, June 23, 2014

Town Hall Chairs

Agree 100% with Rick Murray's comments about town hall chairs.    I
spoke up at our April Town Meeting - so you know my views.  Let's see if
anything gets done about it. 

Vernon Porter
12:37 am edt 

Zoning and Abutters,

If you are doing anything to a Parcel of Land

then abutters need to be noticed. If you are putting a shed on it or a building,
or even a percolla, you need to notice this out. You have every right to know
what is happening to the property that you abut.
11:52 pm edt 

Town Manger

I still question the need for an assistant town manager. We are well
into a year without both a town manager and assistant town manger and all seems
well. Seems to me that David G. should be given the choice of taking the town
manager's position and if he says no then goodbye David.
11:47 pm edt 

Zoning and Abutters,

No notification needed if you have a legal parcel of land.
This includes taking down a Dune or hillside if all other permits
We're granted.

First you see it,then it's gone in ptown!

2:39 pm edt 

Saturday, June 21, 2014

Re: Hearings

It is in the By-Law for Historic District

Abutters must be notified fourteen days before a case is heard. Abutters's
notices must go out and that gives all abutters the chance to attend the
meetings, send in letters either for or against the proposed changes, and to
know what is happening in their neighborhood. It is not just a convenience--it
is law.

And any case heard where abutters did not receive notices would make that case
illegal.
11:15 pm edt 

Film Festival - Town Hall Seating

TOWN HALL

I just viewed an exquisite film at Town Hall tonight which was produced in part
by many local Provincetown citizens. Let us please present an Article for 
monies at the next Town Meeting to purchase NEW CHAIRS for this venue. I will
assist in attempting to also fundraise private funds to assist so this is a
public/private partnership. It is time to do the right thing and stop the
nonsense about historic this and that and have another committee delay this much
needed requirement for this venue please!

Rick Murray
11:13 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

"ATTENTION Matt Clark.  We're still waiting for Library Board minutes
to be posted. It doesn't require a library degree to do that!"



All town boards are responsible for taking their minutes, approving them and
seeing that they are posted.  So while you may want to attack Matt because
Cheryl hired him direct your complaint where it belongs.

ATTENTION  Lyn Kratz, where are the Trustee minutes?
6:12 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Get the vocabulary right: Social Housing not Public Housing is what
Provincetown has.
11:16 am edt 

The Yin & Yang of Life

Nature Rocks People Suck

Was just feeling all warm in side watching a robin feeding a baby blackbird that
had fallen out of its nest.  Then stepped in some dog crap that a human let their
pooch leave in my yard. If I catch the human I am going to out it out of its
misery.  The baby bird is now fine and reunited with its parents.
11:14 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

One other compliment about the Police - after the Dancing Cop left,
other than Jared, most if those assigned at the intersection of Commercial and
Governor Bradford, they showed limited skills/interest in directing traffic. The
ones this year are doing great at that intersection.
11:10 am edt 

Hearings

Recently the historic district commission had a public hearing scheduled where
the abutters had not being notified. One woman who was sitting off to the side
felt the cases could be heard but thank goodness for a couple of the members
making it known that one case in particular was not allowed to proceed without
proper notification and would have to be properly advertised. The abutters
should be notified especially if the requested changes could affect the
neighbors or neighborhood. Are notification to abutters not protocol? I've
received them when other neighbors were looking to do work on their homes. Was
that just a courtesy or is it part of some bylaw?
11:08 am edt 

Re: Zoning Cases Continued

Thanks Peter Page for Responding

But there are no minutes posted after May 1st so it is hard to see why these
cases were continued. but I do appreciate your response.
11:05 am edt 

Re: Zoning Cases Continued

I don't really know Peter page but thank you to him for responding to our
inquiry.
11:03 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

Two pairs of cops walking and a bicycle one all stopped in my shop
tonight just to say hi. Holy crap the new attitude is real! Rumor has it that 
              smiled last week but I'd need to see that to believe it.
11:00 am edt 

Friday, June 20, 2014

Re: Provincetown Police Department

Yes police have a "positive  presence" in this town- and they need to
do what they need to do to protect themselves. I for one am very proud of them=
with the absence of Jaran. They are very special .They are good people. Good
judges of character. But please. Don't ever bring Jaran back into the picture.
9:32 pm edt 

Provincetown Police Department

Wow- gotta admit- the police in this town seem so different. Smiles,
waves, hellos. Something defintely has changed from last year. All for the good.
I have heard this as well from a number of my friends . They have a very tough
job and I say they are doing an outstanding job. Thank Heavens Jaran is
history(well hopefully).
9:00 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

We all wish that prices were what they were 20 years ago. We all must face
reality.  The price of living goes up AND UP A*N*D* U*P*.  Look at what it cost
10 years ago to live here. Look at the rise in Price in the last ten years.

My Dears, We Wiil all be TEN YEAR OLDER IN TEN YEARS. What will the housing
situation be then? Where will we be then? I'm afraid not here.

The world has changed while we were making other plans...it is too expensive
for us now and it will be then again..  Look to yourselves and to your future,
Look to the world and how it has changed. Look to see what will become of you if
you don't move from here and make a true life for yourself where you don't need
to rely on the kindness of strangers to pay your rent, buy your food, pay your
bills and allow you to live here at the expense of the parents, their children
and them selves. Look and be aware that we are all struggling..not just you. May
the good will of our world be with you as you find your way in our world.
8:55 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Who is living in Province Landing? There are at least 5 or 6 children
whose families live there and go to Provincetown schools and work locally. I
know of personally another 15 people that also work in town. That's at least 21
people that I know who work and spend money in town and they indeed deserve to
live there. I cannot say for certain who the remainder of the tenants are, but
they could possibly be working in town as well and that definitely helps ptowns
economy for year round residents.
6:26 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Rich is rich and then condos and condos

Add it up. It means you can't live here. It's like wanting to be at Sutton Place
or Westmount in Montreal. sorry but when a city or town becomes so rich, people
have to leave. and this is something many of us may face. it is life as lived in
special places that have become even more special.
6:19 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

If people really seem that concerned about what happened just watch
the meeting on PTV. Who knows what answers we'll get out of town hall.


I work at town hall and lie any chance I get to cover everything that is going
on.
5:19 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

ATTENTION Matt Clark.  We're still waiting for Library Board minutes
to be posted. It doesn't require a library degree to do that!
5:16 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Wrong Addition

If a town gets too rich like Provincetown and if affordable housing is
controlled be federal guidelines open to anyone from anywhere, then there is no
way you'll ever get the affordable housing for locals that you want.

Just look at 90 Shank Painter. It wasn't there years ago. It is recent. It
offers housing for many people and yet---who is living there? Look at the
problems that happen when local control is gen up.
5:13 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Public housing should come after job creation.People must be employed
first then we will know who needs public housing.
10:13 am edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Once again "affordable housing" debates. What is so wrong for people
to be able to afford to live here? Nothing in my opinion. What's affordable here
is basically average anywhere else. I don't think most people are looking for a
handout, they just want to be able to have a roof over their heads.

I have had to move to summer rentals and then winter rentals for years, lived in the
campground 2 summers in a row. The problem is there is hardly any year round
rents. How the heck can we have a year round population when there are not any
year round rentals? People would stay here if they had a place to live. Or is it
all about the money.

Kinda sad when some people on here don't seem to care about our fellow neighbors
and community. Its also not necessarily just about year round work as well. I know
plenty of people who work their arses off in the summer and save their money and
work part time in the winter at the only grocery store here and get by just fine.
9:46 am edt 

Zoning Cases Continued

The cases that have been continued or postponed all have valid reasons for doing
so. Some are at the request of the applicant, some need more information to be
presented, we had missed one meeting because we did not have a quorum, and other
reasons. I know of no problem with abutters not being notified. If you read back
through the minutes you can piece this all together.

Peter Page, alternate member, ZBA
9:43 am edt 

Re: Zoning Board Meeting

If people really seem that concerned about what happened just watch the meeting
on PTV. Who knows what answers we'll get out of town hall.
9:39 am edt 

Thursday, June 19, 2014

Re: Zoning Board of Appeals

Oh, really!

Gloria is doing a great job you say. Are you related to her or dating her? seems
there is something questionable in her actions. she does not often know what she
is doing. sorry to say...but that is the sad truth.
11:48 pm edt 

Re: Zoning Board of Appeals

"You Can't Get an Answer to the May 15 Zoning Meeting Because....."


UST CALL TOWN HALL!!!!!
6:41 pm edt 

Re: Minimum Wage

Spewing again;

Someone posted that the Selectmen should or should not do something about the
minimum wage. Minimum wage is set by the Commonwealth, not local government.
people should have facts before trying to SHOUT OUT. They are making themselves
look foolish and taking away what little credibility there is on the blog.
6:39 pm edt 

Re: Parking Rate Increase??

"Is it true that the parking rates went up at the MPLA today?  It is
not July first.  What is going on?"



Two ways that are better than posting here:  10 Go to the lot; 2) Call the
parking department.
4:26 pm edt 

Parking Rate Increase??

Is it true that the parking rates went up at the MPLA today?  It is
not July first.  What is going on?
3:11 pm edt 

Re: Zoning Board of Appeals

You Can't Get an Answer to the May 15 Zoning Meeting Because

There are no minutes posted. the last posting is for may 1st. So the question
remains: were abutters notices not sent out in a timely fashion? If there
wasn't a quorum, then these cases--I think about six of them--could have been
heard at the next Zoning meeting. But if the abutters letters were not sent out,
then they would need to repost these meetings, send out the letters in a timely
fashion, and then hear the cases. somehow it seems like this is what happened,
as it has happened recently to other boards where community Development didn't
send out abutters notices.

If someone does know, please let us all know.
3:08 pm edt 

Re: Zoning Board of Appeals

"Exactly what is the point here?  To get information or to smear
someone?"



Oh oh. The Town Smear just called out. Just for the record: Gloria is doing a
great job. Go vent your spleen somewhere else.
3:04 pm edt 

Re: Zoning Board

Appears to me in reading these postings that someone hit the nail on the head in
calling out what the problem was with these zoning cases. So, what is it, were
they not advertised properly and needed to be postponed or were they postponed
for other reasons.  Is someone afraid to comment?
3:00 pm edt 

Re: Town Aging

Any place with a near zero birth rate is bound to age over time.  Simple math:
10 years between censuses and everyone still here is 10 years older, minus the
few who die.

The small number of young people we do still have mostly leave town after
finishing school because there are so few good year-round jobs.

None of the ideas being thrown around will change this materially.  So we will
continue to get older.

Some of us don't think that's so bad.
10:12 am edt 

Re: Zoning Board of Appeal

"Why so Many zoning applicants from May being Heard tomorrow night?

Did someone in Community Development and perhaps Gloria McPherson mess up once
again? did she fail to get the abutters notices out and so these cases could not
be heard? why is there a special work section by zoning with all these postponed
cases? something's wrong here and does anyone know?

It seems messy and without the past sense of what needs to be done for each
case. what is happening here? and it is more serious because if these rules are
not followed, legal cases follow. this is serious."


This is right up there in the stupid post ranking.  Exactly what is the point
here?  To get information or to smear someone?  My guess is the latter.  If you
really want info call town hall, otherwise stop being so nasty.
10:08 am edt 

Re: Affordable Housing - Are We There Yet?

315 PEOPLE ALREADY ARE LIVING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING

Currently we have achieved at least 7% (probably moreI dont think that fig
includes Province Landing) of affordable housing, or 315 residences.
Given that most of our affordable housing has gone to single people, that means
at least 315 people are in affordable housing, likely more, but lets use the
conservative figure of 315.

315 is 23% of 1350.

Almost a quarter of year-rounders are in low-income affordable housing already?
And we want to build more? Is the goal for a stable community to have a third or
more of that community low-income? Is that the definition of a stable community?
9:23 am edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Hasn't this been an issue for over 15 years? Hasn't Mr. Tel Malone built a vast
array of affordable and community housing?

We have almost reached the 10% required by law.

Now Mr. Timothy Guy Olive wants to build housing over the parking lot for middle
income people. What will it look like? How many middle income paying jobs are
there outside of Town Hall?

The Virtuous circle was proposed by Mr. Paul De Ryuter who owns Whaler's Wharf
and a few other building complexes such as the one housing the old cinema among
other real estate holdings. He wants to get rich private citizens to create
housing.

There are lots of plans for housing that is going to be built for people in town
from the renovated community center to the buildings over the parking lot to
lots of other housing.

We will have a slew of new housing being built starting with the community
center next spring.
9:21 am edt 

Minimum Wage

Raising the minimum wage for a seasonal workforce would just add one
more unnecessary expense to business owners. If the town could find a legal way
to raise the minimum wage for people that live here all year that would make
more sense. The BOS should always try to keep things simple- protect our
citizens, keep the town maintained and balance the budget. These grand plans
that keep coming up at meetings are ridiculous.
8:50 am edt 

Re: Zoning Board of Appeal
 
RE: Why so Many zoning applicants from May being Heard tomorrow night?

Did you check to see if a previous meeting had to be cancelled due to lack of a
quorum.  There are several vacant positions open.  Why don't you volunteer
instead of accusing people of malfeasance.
8:49 am edt 

Wednesday, June 18, 2014

Zoning Board of Appeal

Why so Many zoning applicants from May being Heard tomorrow night?

Did someone in Community Development and perhaps Gloria McPherson mess up once
again? did she fail to get the abutters notices out and so these cases could not
be heard? why is there a special work section by zoning with all these postponed
cases? something's wrong here and does anyone know?

It seems messy and without the past sense of what needs to be done for each
case. what is happening here? and it is more serious because if these rules are
not followed, legal cases follow. this is serious.
10:40 pm edt 

Re: Cheryl Andrew's Post

Hey Cheryl,

blah, blah, blah. Lets do something to keep young people here!!

This is the same line you used when you were selectman for 9 years and you had
no answer. You went away for a couple of years and had no answer and now got
back on the board, no doubt hoping people remembered the old "do you remember
who I was?" influence and today still have no answer you your battle cry.

Give up the charade.
10:37 pm edt 

Re: Timothy Guy Olive - Who is He?

TIMOTHY GUY OLIVE--a real life waiter at Front Street

We have been going to Front street for years and he is a waiter at Front Street
and has been here, seasonally for many, many years. He has spent his winters
surfing in Florida.

Anyone can be a developer. Come up with a plan and submit grants. Look at the
thousands of grants available for affordable housing..just google it and you
will be amazed.
6:09 pm edt 

Re: Cheryl Andrew's Post

"I don't have the data on what has happened here age-wise but we sure
do look older."

Cheryl's post made me wonder to what extent she is correct.  Here are the census
by age group (hope columns line up):

                              2010 census                     2000 census
                                 2642                                  3192

Under 5 yrs                42 1.6%                           53 1.66%
5 to 9 yrs                  42 1.6%                           61 1.91%
10 to 14 yrs              47 1.8%                            78 2.44%
15 to 19 yrs              55 2.1%                            97 3.04%
20 to 24 yrs              64 2.4%                          116 3.63%
25 to 34 yrs            204 7.7%                          430 13.47%
35 to 44 yrs            347 13.1%                        733 22.96%
45 to 54 yrs            679 25.7%                        685 21.46%
55 to 64 yrs            604 22.9%                        355 11.12%
65 to 74 yrs            295 11.1%                        293 9.18%
75 to 84 yrs            173 6.6%                          191 5.98%
85 yrs & up               90 3.4%                          100 3.13%

Cheryl is correct, year round census population is smaller (by 17%). And older:
2000 median age was about 45; 2010 about 52.  In the same time, the USA as a
whole grew 10% and median age went from 35 to 37. The country is getting older
thanks to the Baby Boomers, but not as fast as here.

Town is also 54% male in 2010 versus US average 49%.

Those are the facts, but we need to be careful when we quote Provincetown census
stats.  Too easy for people to be counted elsewhere; or counted here and
actually not live here many months of the year, etc. But it's what we have.

And the Cape as a whole is losing population and getting older, so any town
policies intended to change the town trends would be countering the regional
trends, too. Very difficult to do.

We also need to consider what impacts the High School closing and the tiny grade
school have on encouraging young adults here, at least those with children.

And the 800 lb gorilla in the room, that we only give lip service to, if that,
is the lack of good year-round jobs!

But I agree with Cheryl that we should stop calling names.

And stick to figuring out what we can and should do and the likely impacts of
those actions, with rose-colored glasses off.
2:38 pm edt 

Locals, Part-timers, Day Trippers, Cats and Dogs

Too bad folks feel the need to lump people into groups and then generalize. It's
a waste of space & time. Here's how i see the question: Do we wish to see our
government enact policies that will encourage YOUNGER people to be able to live
here year-round? notice how i did not attack a particular group; i did not
attack any previous town policies or decisions; I did not mention condos or
short term rentals; i did not mention second home owners. Frankly, it doesn't
really matter why people do what they do with their property. It's their choice.
What matters to me is to get folks to talk about what they WANT. Please write to
your Board of Selectmen.

If people WANT to see the government enact policies to encourage YOUNGER people
to live here year-round, then say so. From 2000 to 2010, the federal census
tells us we lost almost 15 % of our year-round population. I don't have the data
on what has happened here age-wise but we sure do look older. Ask yourself what
the Town will look like in ten years if these trends continue.  Please write to
us. Sign your name. I for one, do not decide what the Town "thinks" by reading
this blog or Facebook.

Cheryl Andrews
10:40 am edt 

Re: Police Vests - Police Academy Class

"Ask anyone from the last class who never had any idea how dangerous
the job is until they completed the class and
experienced first hand the importance  and safety of tasers and vests...."



I'm sure that the war stories at the academy were interesting. But, did they
give any numbers about how oftern the tasers were used or how many times that
shots were fired at cops in PT?  War Stories are fun but numbers tell a better
story.

Why is it when people post here in response to other posts and ask questions of
"fact" source that they are never answered.  SOme people just love to post BS
and then when challenged never respond.  I don't expect to have any response to
this with numbers and a source of the numbers.
10:35 am edt 

Re: Local vs Part Timers

"So if they're indifferent you caused it! you've gutted out one place
after the other & made those lovely old place all over to look different! That's
not people who like Provincetown as it was!
And it sure is different than when the pilgrims first saw it."


Every piece of property that you hate was sold by someone.  No theft.  If people
don't want to see change, put restrictions on the deed that legally reflect that
desire.  Of course, those deed restrictions will reduce the selling price but
the old timers are not greedy so it will be ok to make less money when they
sell.
10:32 am edt 

Timothy Guy Olive - Who is He?

"I think Timothy Guy Olive is a waiter at Front Street and has been for
many years.'


Timothy Guy Olive is a made up name.  I'm pretty sure I know who it really is,
but I'm not going to out him.

10:30 am edt 

Police Vests

For those against, I say in all honesty, knock yourselves out "it's not your
choice". It's a safety factor. The Police are not wearing them based on those
against, it's based on the amount of Police Officers killed in a line of duty.
We are lucky down here but that does not mean the Police have not encountered
anyone with a dangerous weapon. The Police Officers are human and they also want
to go home at the end of their shifts to their loved ones or families.

The other day, a man attacked his girlfriend with a knife and was gone upon the
arrival of the Officers. Good thing right,  because if he was still on his war
path, when the Officers arrived, the only thing the Officer would have for
protection is his/her vests ? And for now their Tasers. If that assailant with
the knife remained at the scene with the knife in the irate manner that led him
up to doing what he "alledgelly" did, the possible and only choice "may" have
resulted in the Police shooting him ? Why ? because someone(s)in this town did
not believe our Officers should carry tasers and not wear vests.

Personally, I think for all those against the Tasers and Vests, your name,
address and telephone humbers should be submitted to the Police Dept, so when a
hostile situation comes up they can call you. Then it should be video taped and
sent into America's funniest home video's showing you running for your life.

Roger Green
10:27 am edt 

Re: Police Vests

It's like wearing a seat belt.

What if .

Protection. It's common sense.
10:25 am edt 

Tuesday, June 17, 2014

Re: Local vs Part Timers

Locals aren't pompous & think they own the Town as someone said! The
difference is that they've been content in it being a quaint place! The very
thing that lured some of you here & then attempt to change from quaint to
grandiose trophy homes & condos everywhere which is out of character here!

Then you got on committees to change the rules to cover all that you want &
when long time locals apply to change a window they get a hard time! you don't
get it do you?

So if they're indifferent you caused it! you've gutted out one place after
the other & made those lovely old place all over to look different! That's not
people who like Provincetown as it was!
11:13 pm edt 

It is Over and Irrelevant

It wasn't always this way. when many left the Voice for the Lighthouse, it
proved, for some time, interesting. But now, a dying blog. But then, invite
Candyland into the group, and what else will happen. Decay soon occurs.
11:11 pm edt 

Police Vests

For those who are concerned about the police wearing vests and carrying tasers,
I would recommend you signing up for the next Police Academy class and get
educated.  I bet your thoughts  would change. Ask anyone from the last class who
never had any idea how dangerous the job is until they completed the class and
experienced first hand the importance  and safety of tasers and vests....

Just saying...
11:10 pm edt 

Re: Way of thinking...

I think that whoever it is that believes the police should not wear vests should
be the ones they call when a subject is armed with a dangerous tool i.e. knife,
gun, hatchet, hammer and so forth then see if you would have a change of mind... 
What's next..   NO GUNS?  Don't say that doesn't happen in this beautiful
community because it has happened quite often...

11:08 pm edt 

Parking on Ryder St

Why do we give town employees parking spots that can be used to generate
revenue?

I understand some positions needed to go out and inspect building but others
dont.

I say town employees here is your choice prime parking spot and an increase in
your medical contribution.

We need to make it up some where

A taxpayer who is not a 2nd homeowner!
11:07 pm edt 

Re: Who is Our New Interim Building Commissioner?

"That department surely needs help. but who is he? and who will train the most
inexperienced group downstairs? wishing Maxine was back. they need her even
though in their arrogance they think they are doing a great job. Sadly, they are
poorly trained, inexperienced and lack knowledge of the town's permitting
process, rules and precedences."



The Interim building commissioner is Elbert. A very knowledgeable fair man. No
ties to the good Ole boys. Very intelligent and seems to make fair knowledgeable
decisions. Yes I miss Maxine too. However , I disagree. Leif and Gloria work
Very well together and are proving to be a great team. I believe you need to
give them a chance. I am impressed with the two of them. Sometimes change is
hard to accept. I believe these two young energetic smart individuals will
surprise you. Just my opinion.
11:05 pm edt 

Re: Timothy Guy Olive?

Isn't Timothy Guy Olive the person proposing a housing development in
the High school parking lot? A developer?
11:04 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

"They [the middle class] don't come because there are no middle income
jobs."

This can't be said enough.  It is a fact of life here too often ignored or
overlooked.
4:18 pm edt 

Re: Police Vests

They're like seatbelts. Like someone in here mentioned, you don't need them
until you do. You could ride down the road without it but why would you? Risk
your safety to a by chance accident that nobody saw coming? Same with a
protective vest, why wouldn't you wear it? Not that Provincetown is the murder
capitol of the world but all it takes is one shot.
4:16 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

"Fact.. every department has a vest order.  You must wear them.. 
Check statistics for facts...It is criminal to think any officer, anywhere in
any community big or small should not wear his/her vest...

People need to stop thinking small town mentality..,.,"


Very interesting post here.  I agree that it is quite reasonable to wear a vest
whenever it is a good idea to do so.  Is it a good idea to wear one when you are
doing traffic duty and it is really hot out/  Is that more likely to cause
problems than being shot?


Where did you get your "fact"?  What statistics? What is the law that makes not
agreeing with "any officer, anywhere in any community big or small should not
wear his/her vest...wearing a vest", a crime?   I tried to find a law in the
mass code but came up short.

Like it or not this is a small town. Less than 4000 residents and in winter less
than 1000 inhabitants.

Advice which will NEVER be followed:  Don't post BS.  No one will believe you
when you mention statistics without attribution.  Remember also, your opinion is
not "fact".
4:12 pm edt 

Re: Who isTimothy Guy Olive?

I think Timothy Guy Olive is a waiter at Front Street and has been for
many years.
4:08 pm edt 

Re: Police Vests

Fact.. every department has a vest order.  You must wear them..  Check
statistics for facts...

It is criminal to think any officer, anywhere in any community big or small
should not wear his/her vest...


People need to stop thinking small town mentality..,.,
1:45 pm edt 

Provincetown Public Library

Library Board of Trustees:

Please post meeting minutes. You are way
behind. There's a lot going on, and we are supposed to be able to read about it.
That's the whole point of minutes. Thank you.
1:43 pm edt 

Who is Our New Interim Building Commissioner?

That department surely needs help. but who is he? and who will train the most
inexperienced group downstairs? wishing Maxine was back. they need her even
though in their arrogance they think they are doing a great job. Sadly, they are
poorly trained, inexperienced and lack knowledge of the town's permitting
process, rules and precedences.
1:41 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

To the       poster who said:

"there are plenty of methods to reduce the number of Police deaths per year but are they practical,affordable,or desirable as a whole"

You can't put a price tag on a human life - saving one life is worth
the price!!  At this time I'm watching the BOS June 9th Mtg.! It's a charade!
The Board wasted 1 hour talking about police uniforms - the same ones that
haven't changed in 11 years & never bothered anyone before! Why now? be advised
the Police Marching Unit/Flagbearers Team were formed to compensate for the loss
of Veterans groups that weren't able to anymore! The Police team participate in
community events on their own time and at their personal expense for the costly
dark uniforms they wear for that as a community service! Taxpayers did not buy
them!! If uniforms are changed,are you prepared to reimburse for their out of
pocket expense? I bet not!!
1:40 pm edt 

Provincetown Lighthouse and Oatsey

A whopping 89 members and losing. Whoop whoop for the paranoid bored
conspiratorial D.C. connection. Hiding.
1:33 pm edt 

Re: Police Vests

"Try telling  the people  of Columbine or Sandy Hook that bad
things will not happen in their little towns."



To follow your way of thinking, all school personnel should wear vests, and
carry tasers.
1:30 pm edt 

Re: Police Vests

"This is Provincetown. Police don't need vests."


They don't need vests until they do. As far as 'if they need them then everyone
does,' tell that to the 26 6-year olds and adults who died in Newtown last year,
or the victims from the 75 school shootings since that time.  Or the 2 police
officers who were killed in Texas recently as they sat in a restaurant.
No one knows when a situation will turn violent.  We do not live in Mayberry
where everyone knows and cares for each other. We live in a community where
every day of the year strangers arrive, for good or bad. With as many as 50,000
strangers here on a given day, I advocate for a police force of adequate number,
excellent training, and with every advantage on their side, including armament,
vehicles, tasers, and vests. If they are safe we are more likely to stay safe
1:28 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

WHAT IS THE TRUTH ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING?

everyone always like to say "Housing" and "jobs" but when any planning gets
done, nobody tries to produce jobs. It starts to come down to subsidized housing
for the sake of subsidized housing for low income people. Most of the affordable
housing that has been built here has gone to low-income ownership. Frankly, your
proposal to produce middle income housing is just "feel good" community
development. No one will qualify for it because they don't make enough---you
only need to look at what has happened to the upper AMI units at existing
affordable projects--they didn't have qualified buyers.

The middle class--which is the foundation of any stable community---did not
leave and does not come here, not because there is no housing available. There
is. They don't come because there are no middle income jobs. It's that simple.
1:26 pm edt 

Re: Local vs Part Timers

Maybe if the locals weren't so pompous and felt they own the town the
part timers would  feel more welcome.
1:24 pm edt 

Monday, June 16, 2014

Re: Police Vests

"Did you know that over 150 police officers are killed in the line of
duty every year in the United States. Hundreds of others are shot and saved
annually because they were wearing their vests. I wish there was a crystal ball
to tell them when that will happen so they do not always have to wear them. But
I do not think that technology exists. No cop is a hero until you really need
them. I think they need all the protection they can get so that they can
continue to protect and serve the community and get safely home to their family
at the end of their shift.  Try telling  the people  of Columbine or Sandy Hook that
bad things will not happen in their little towns."



Life is full of bad things happening to good people that were unforeseen.  We
cannot plan for everything, we are not smart enough or wealthy enough.  Ak 47s,
attacks dogs, armored cars, shields, visors, water cannons etc would certainly
reduce the numbers of cops killed, but by how much of a reduction and can we
afford to take every precaution no matter what.  Fear of the unknown is a
terrible way to live.  By choosing to be a cop, a person must accept the danger
involved.  Being a soldier accepts the danger involved.  There are about 1000
truck drivers killed each year.  There are plenty of methods to reducing the
number of deaths per year, but are they practical, affordable or desirable for
the population as a whole.

None of these are easy. We can't protect everyone all the time.  It is no way to
live.  Using fear of unknown possibilities is a very negative way to justify
anything.  Citing Sandy Hook and Columbine are pandering to fear not rational
caution.  We can never fully eliminate a occurrence in the future that will make
us all wring our hands and ask why.
6:53 pm edt 

Timothy Guy Olive?

Who is Timothy Guy Olive? I'v been here for 40 years and I just hear
this name over the past 6 or 7 weeks.
6:47 pm edt 

Re: Police Vest

No officer should ever leave the station without wearing their vest.

David J.Ditacchio
6:19 pm edt 

Rer: Affordable Housing

I agree with previous posters about making space on my property for
affordable housing-it ain't gonna happen. I am so sick of being told that we as
a town need to take care of our year around renters. Who the hell is taking care
of me? I am by working my butt off to live here. Stop the insanity and be
realistic about the cost of living here and other desirable communities because
it is expensive and that is not going to change.
6:17 pm edt 

Re: Police Vests

This is Provincetown, Get a Life

This is not Detroit. This is not Harlem. they surely do not need to war vest
walking Commercial Street. If they do, then so do all of us. this is just plain
nuts. this is rather safe and to believe that those walking the streets my gun
you down, is nuts. With this attitude, you don't have Carnival. with this
attitude, you stop celebrating July 4th.

More rational thinking would be a good thing.
6:14 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

WHO CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION?

Timothy Guy Olive says that he thinks this question has been brought up before
but I never heard the answer to it.

Why isn't there a annual limit on turning housing into condos? And why hasn't
there been an increase in nonresident property taxes to help cool off the
housing market?

Regarding dispalced locals: He says it's already been a consideration in
housing preference for displaced locals of up to 2 years.

He says he thinks if someone has been forced to leave Ptown based on
affordability we should reach out to them first but not exclusively.

Why two years? Why not five, ten, 20 years?
6:11 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

PREFERENCE FOR DISPLACE LOCALS

All affordable, middle income and rich housing has a stipulation, we suddenly
are told, that any local who has been displaced with in two years has priorty
over anyone else.

Does this mean that the couple from Newark, N.J. who moved here 10 years
ago..and who had to leave town because they can no longer swing living here on 6
months of work and unemployment, will now be called first to have first refusal
for any housing for which they qualify?

When did this "preference of locals" go into effect? This is news to me--but the
Affordable housing group seems to be in the know regarding all laws and
regulations-I guess because they write them.
6:08 pm edt 

Re: Locals vs Part Timers

VIRTOUS CIRCLE, POISON PILL AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVOCATES

We have the rich entrepreurs who own blocks of property in town who are going to
buy multi family homes and rent them out cheaply

We have the Mr. Tim O. who is going to build housing for the middle class

We have Ted Malone who is building housing for the poor.

We have the denigration of second home owners. No one seems to realize that by
going condo the town has allowed people who want to live here and who can afford
to live to actually live here.

Why should the taxpayers be paying the rent of other people so they can live
here thus requiring me to support my family and someone else's as well.

The world has changed. people can't afford to buy a place in Boston just because
they were born there 30 years ago.

We are a resort town, surrounded by water and the national seashore and there
isn't any more land except 80 parcels on which to build..wake up and face
reality
11:20 am edt 

Vests

Did you know that over 150 police officers are killed in the line of duty every
year in the United States. Hundreds of others are shot and saved annually
because they were wearing their vests. I wish there was a crystal ball to tell
them when that will happen so they do not always have to wear them. But I do not
think that technology exists. No cop is a hero until you really need them. I
think they need all the protection they can get so that they can continue to
protect and serve the community and get safely home to their family at te end of
their shift.  Try telling  the people  of Columbine or Sandy Hook that bad
things will not happen in their little towns.
10:57 am edt 

Re: Locals vs Part Timers

I attend many different benefits  and fund raisers in this town. I am 
a year-round resident and property owner. If our town did not have the support
and especially the financial support of so many many second home owners I doubt
this town could survive at all.Second home owners and part time non-owner
residents bring their enthusiasm and money to this town in an extrodinary way.
Can any in this town not see how they support the soup kitchen, HOW, AIDS
support group, theater organizations, museums, library( Duffy and Bombadier for
example) not to mention patronizing our restaurants. How can anyone deny their
generous and positive ways of helping this town survive? We need them and we
should let them know it not treat them like an unwelcome relative over staying
their visit.
10:54 am edt 

Re: Hawthorne Barn - Fiasco

I will call the assessor's office to try to understand why a building
in an area zoned for both residential and business might need permits to operate
a business. This might very well be the case but I do not understand why a
permit can be refusedif zoning says operating a business is allowed. The RB
designation is printed on the property record car of the building.
10:52 am edt 

Sunday, June 15, 2014

Re: Police Vests

"I believe those vests your talking about have saved numerous police
officers from death and allowed them to return to their families.  If you think
that it is not appropriate for police to wear bullet resistant vests......you
need to get a reality check."



You "believe", eh?  In PT?  Realy?  Fact please.  There certainly are times when
the vests may be worn.  But, always?  Where else in the world do they wear them?
11:49 pm edt 

Locals vs Part Timers

"I agree totally........ The non- residents could care less about
locals."


Funny, but both neighbors on each side who live here only part time, say that
same thing about what locals think of them.  They seem to be pretty decent guys,
and give to all kinds of local things like the soup kitchen and Aids support. 
They say that they are treated like they are nothing more than checkbooks.

personally I can see some of each.  Not with my neighbors but with a few others. 
Maybe if we treated them like they belong they would all act like they belong.
11:47 pm edt 


"I agree totally........ The non- residents could care less about locals."


Funny, but both neighbors on each side who live here only part time, say that
same thing about what locals think of them.  They seem to be pretty decent guys,
and give to all kinds of local things like the soup kitchen and Aids support. 
They say that they are treated like they are nothing more than checkbooks.

personally I can see some of each.  Not with my neighbors but with a few others. 
Maybe if we treated them like they belong they would all act like they belong.
11:44 pm edt 

Re: Hawthorne Barn - Fiasco

"The Hawthorne barn is in a RB zone . So anyone living there can either
live or have any kind of business they want and the neighbors can't stop
anything and they do not need permits to do so they have the zoning they need."



Not exactly.

If they are going to use the barn as an entertainment venue then it has to be
approved as such and meet all of the requirements of an entertainment venue. 
Which it doesn't.

The Licensing Board said as much and suggested that Mr. Prager find another
venue next year if he wants to have entertainment.  Of course, the way he
operates, I'm sure he fully expects concerts in the Barn next year too.
11:39 pm edt 

Humility

To the poster who wants a say in everything because it's their
democratic right - No you don't!  you want to be in total control! it's about
CONTROL! Stop trying to micromanage! we hire people to do the job - let them do
it! try being humble instead! Humility is the best route!
11:34 pm edt 

Re: Hawthorne Barn - Fiasco

The Hawthorne barn is in a RB zone . So anyone living there can either
live or have any kind of business they want and the neighbors can't stop
anything and they do not need permits to do so they have the zoning they need.
11:43 am edt 

Provincetown Lighthouse - Worm Ouroborus

So sorry to Say this But..

The voice is dull, untimely, and threads stay forever. then there is the
Lighthouse that is like a snake eating its own tail they only speak to
themselves and that is irrelevant. Have Candyland focus on dogs and poop, and
then what? Again, Irrelevant and Candyland gibberish. she might as well talk to
herself---oh, wait a minute, that is what she is doing!

So thanks for the blog. Otherwise, what would we know?
10:05 am edt 

Hawthorne Barn - Fiasco

Right, He didn't use the Money

So he had to give it back. but what a disaster this Praeger person turned out to
be. He presented all these fantasies that he would do and what did he do?
Nothing. He is a fake. He is pretense.
10:00 am edt 

Police Fashion

"Frankly I'm sick of reading & hearing about "police Fashion"

Since you're not the moderator, I suggest you do yourself AND us a favor by
moving along.
9:58 am edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

"I'd like to decide what the complainers should be wearing instead!"


As long as you foot the bill, I'll be more than happy to allow you to decide
what I wear.
9:57 am edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

"That's in house police business and decisions of theirs & the powers
that govern it! what right does Jane & Joe Public have to decide?"


Hate to bring the bad news.  You are wrong.  We elect the "powers that govern"
so we have a say, both at the ballot box and also by expressing our opinions. 
When people like you try to suppress  free expression of opinion then our
democracy is in real jeopardy.
9:55 am edt 

Property Owners
 
The affordable housing people are gunning for residents who own property. Go
ahead and raise my taxes--I'll just raise the rent on my tenants.

Or, I'll just go Summer only and keep the yeat at 65 all winter in my
apartments. Raise taxes, give me a split tax--I don't care. I have no mortgages.
I have options and so does every condo owner and I own several.

Now I understand the phrase, unintended consequences--Now do you?
9:53 am edt 

Community Housing

There are a lot of complicated issues which people speak about here
with out knowing much. This post is about housing. Community housing for
pemanent residents is what we need. We need Senior, Affordable and market rate
housing. But the phrase used is Community Housing, not that all community
housing be affordable housing. We need all kinds housing for permanent residents
and Community Housing is a better term.
9:51 am edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Timothy Guy Olive........

I agree totally........ The non- residents could care less about locals.
9:50 am edt 

Saturday, June 14, 2014

Re: Police Uniforms

"heavy-vest protected police"

I believe those vests your talking about have saved numerous police officers
from death and allowed them to return to their families.  If you think that it
is not appropriate for police to wear bullet resistant vests......you need to
get a reality check.
1:10 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

Frankly I'm sick of reading & hearing about "police Fashion" That's in
house police business and decisions of theirs & the powers that govern it! what
right does Jane & Joe Public have to decide? I'd like to decide what the
complainers should be wearing instead! obviously they don't see themselves as
they are seen by others or they'd correct their own apparel! They aren't fashion
plates in public places so chew on that instead! Then put on a muzzle!!
10:16 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

I am not the person who posted anything about police swagger but I saw
Police chief Jaran many times walking down the street and almost every time I
said hello to him. Every time I did he came to me smiled and carried on a very
light conversation with me as he continued to scan the street. Always very
pleasant to run into.
9:36 am edt 

Re: Hawthorne Barn - Fiasco

".  .  .Praeger to live there.   remember  he was the one who received
$75,000 to redo the Hawthorne Barn and failed in the project. . ."


Point of Information:
He was awarded the $75kb but never received the money.
9:35 am edt 

Re: Jeff Jaran

"So you never saw the former police chief walking down the street."


I only saw the man on be street when he was on his way to Town Hall, or to one
of his several drinking watering holes with his posse.
9:33 am edt 

Jeff Jaran

Police Chief Jaran Walking the Streets

I have to laugh when I read how someone post here with praise how Jaran walked
the streets. Oh he did, but how long did you see him doing that for ? it wasn't
for long and that I know. He did it at the start of his employment here because
no one knew who the      was. And did you remember seeing him not wearing his
police hat ? but that changed as soon as his police officers started walking
around without them. Also, how many times did you see him talking to females
downtown ? Good question right, because I saw plenty.I don't see anyone on here
saying anything about that but as soon his Officers were doing it, that was not
okay, espicially the summer officers. I also saw on several occassions when the
Chief did walk, he walked like his rear quarters was on fire, hmmmmm, mayvbe he
was feeling dehydrated. Too bad I can't tell you about his night life on here,
maybe that will change your thoughts about coming on here and praising him.

Roger Green
9:31 am edt 

Re: Police Uniforms "Letter"

"Please spare us the sexist defensive BS."

I agree with the original post regarding ML. While it's often co-opted, witch
hunt is a viable term, and alive operating in Provincetown, regardless of how
above it most think they are.
9:27 am edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

OUR NEWEST DEVELOPER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING

Timothy Guy Olive STATES that the buying up of this town over the past 15 or so
years by the wealthy has created a major housing crisis which is threatening the
long term substainability of this town.

And if you don't understand my analogy (HE SAYS) let me put it this way: By
raising property taxation on nonresidents it undermines the desire for outsiders
to continue to buy up housing here, therefore leaving more housing for locals
over time; say the next 10 years. Same principle as the Fed uses by raising
interest rates.

You gotta love these affordable housing advocates as they are determined.

***My question is where is the logic in all of this? Locals who moved here,
what, five years ago?

Suddenly Mr. Timothy Guy Olive is a local because he moved here from someplace
else and suddenly he has all of the answers..gotta love the gumption but
question the facts.
9:24 am edt 

Law and Order

POLICE UNIFORMS-NO! POLICE DRUG ARREST YES!

Go back to last summer and look at law and order. How many times do the same
names come up? Read about the drug arrests and then think about the people who
hang with these folks.

How is it that these folks can afford to live in town? How is it that the same
names appear and that they aren't in jail?

**On another note, how do these folks live here year round for years and
suddenly need affordable housing when they have been paying market rates for 20
years?

"Affordable housing" won't be opening its doors for at least ten years even if
they start the process now. Will these folks still be here paying market rates?

How do you configure the under the table and illegal work-for-money that goes on
in this town? It is all privately owned business for a reason--they can skirt
the law and get away with it..until immigration come here and puts the kabash on
all of this under the table, illegal goings on.

Just a citizen with eyes that are open.
9:22 am edt 

Friday, June 13, 2014

Re: Police Uniforms

"Well, "personally" I'd like to see them all wearing rainbow
suspenders and polka dot ties, but that's about as practical and dignified as
your suggestion, so I guess neither is likely to happen."


Oh, well.  If you had started your post with the polka dots, I never would have
read the remainder.  Joke, or serious?  Either way not very effective. What is
lacking in dignity the shorts or light colored shirt?
9:06 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

"I've lived here for many years and spend a good amount of time on
Commercial Street and I've never seen the "threatening swagger" you speak of."



So you never saw the former police chief walking doen the street?  And you say
you lived here for many years.  Maybe you were on sabbatical.
8:38 pm edt 

Re: Hawthorne Barn - Fiasco

Re: Miller Hill Barn

Miller Hill is Not a Commercial Zone


"And did the owners and the Praeger guy get permits for these events?
did they go before Licensing? Did they show up at Zoning? somehow no one seems
to know."



Is that a serious question?  apparently not, because it is obvious that some one
knows.  Try to start at the permitting authorities instead of an anonymous blog. 
I'm sure that you will find that, indeed, someone does know.
8:33 pm edt 

Re: Hawthorne Barn - Fiasco

Miller Hill Barn

Miller Hill is Not a Commercial Zone

And did the owners and the Praeger guy get permits for these events? did they go
before Licensing? Did they show up at Zoning? somehow no one seems to know. it
is being used not only for "events" it is being used for Praeger to live there.
remember he was the one who received $75,000 to redo the Hawthorne Barn and
failed in the project.
8:11 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

Regarding the comment asking how could the Provincetown Press have
been started without authorization of the  Library Board.

The library board does not govern the library's finances. The library is a town
department and subject to the same oversight by Finance Director, Town Manager,
FinCom, and BOS as all other departments.

The TM and BOS authorized the press, which I believe was started by a donation
(I think from Duffy).  As far as costs, it's not a paper press, so there are no
costs except time for staff, which was part of the original approval, if I
remember the BOS meeting correctly.

There's no money.  Ebooks sell for only a few dollars, and vendors like Amazon
take their cut off the top. The authors keep most of the remainder, with a small
% going back to the library to maintain the press at the stipulation of the
selectmen.

Once again, much ado about nothing. Literally nothing.

6:50 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

Affordable housing whack job

Destroy the town as we know so that everything is dirt cheap. Then folks who
can't afford to live here will be able to buy a place here in Provincetown.

Oh, but it will be called Forclosure town--more affordable housing whack job
ideas. Lets see what else they want to do to get cheap housing here.
6:45 pm edt 

Re: Fincom Composition

"thank god Clarence Walker is on FinCom because otherwise it would be
comprised of only old white men (no disrespect Catherine Russo)..."



The second sentence cites the need for new, young blood.
Now, was the original poster intentionally racist or is s/he just an idiot? 
There is only one visible difference between Clarence and the other members, and
it is not his age.

Singling him out for his color is racism pure and simple. It is as idiotic as
saying "Thank god for Cheryl Andrews. Otherwise the BOS would be comprised only of tall
people."  Or "Thank god for Mick. Otherwise the library board would be comprised of only old
white lesbians." (Disclaimer: I neither know the composition or orientation of
the library board. I use that only as an example of what a ludicrous statement
the original was).

It would make more sense, though be no less offensive, to say, "thank god for
Catherine Russo.  Otherwise FinCom would be comprised only of men."

There are many important and good qualities about Clarence: his education, his
intelligence, his eloquence. When one focuses on a characteristic over which an
individual has no control, like race, height or sexual orientation, it demeans
that individual.  I'm impressed that Clarence even posted such idiocy.

In closing, thank god for Barack Obama. Otherwise all our presidents would have
been white.
6:41 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms "Letter"

It's really demeaning as a woman to hear the line of bs that the wrath
Officer Lobur is receiving is because she's a woman. Cut it out. Please. The
tenor of her letter at the end is unnecessary, unprofessional and disturbing
particularly coming from a police officer. It has nothing to do with her sex.

Let me guess, Hi Ms.     ?
6:07 pm edt 

Provincetown Public Library

Why are there three meeting agendas listed for the library trustees and
no minutes posted for the two that have passes?  Mr Acting Director, it's more
important than ever that those minutes be released as soon as possible. Lots of
people are watching, and when we see nothing we think the worst.  Please post
the minutes for the last two meetings.
6:05 pm edt 

BoS Meeting Statement

Regarding Meredith Labour. Some of us cannot get past her triple-rape
comments during a BOS meeting statement.  Her argument was that one day we would
hear a knock on the door; it would be someone we know; we would let the person
in; then we would be "orally, anally, and vaginally raped."  And if we did not
agree to spend $14M on a new police station, what followed for us triple-rape
victims would be even more violating.  Sounded like a threat to me.  And as
someone who has been a victim of rape, I was furious. That's the day I stepped
away from the Lynn/Jaran side of the street.
6:03 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police Uniforms

"The fact that a large number of residents in Provincetown are
obsessed with trying to get the police to wear polo shirts instead of
traditional police uniforms just shows how out of touch with the world much of
this town is."


Uh...isn't that why people vacation here? Not counting the whales? Let me guess,
you also don't get why we fought Burger King.
6:02 pm edt 

Symbols are Key and Important

The discussions on police uniforms attest to this. symbols are powerful and
the people in Provincetown want symbolic dress that affirms a welcoming presence
and a police force that is there for all of us.

Not to threaten. Not to frighten. Not to show power. they want people who care about
the town and dressed accordingly. symbols count and the discussion on uniforms shows
this is so true.
6:00 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms "Letter"

"Here we go again. Finger pointing, shaming and judgments leveled on a
female authority figure, this time Meredith Lobur. Oh, she has a scowl on her
face? Poor you! I read her letter posted here that offended some. My god, from
the comments, I expected something very different then was actually presented.
The letter was professionally written, to the point and logical. Oh yeah. Women
aren't supposed to show those traits. Maybe she should curtsey next time she
sees you."


Please spare us the sexist defensive BS.  Where are you coming from with this
stuff.  I guess that any comment against a female's point of view will be met
with scorn.

Her letter was not professionally done.  It had nothing to prove that it was the
opinion of all the police, but she said it was.  It offered opinion as fact and
refers to studies that support her view but does not footnote them.

Male or female we don't need the hardass attitude in our cops.

Also, she is not a "female authority figure".  She is a public servant that we
pay to help us live our lives better.  Her problem, and maybe yours, is that she
wants to be an authority figure instead of a paid employee.
5:57 pm edt 

Miller Hill Barn

It is so refreshing to see an old barn being used for good and not evil. Kudos
to the Hawthorn Barn Group.  I do not see what kind of a problem anyone could
have with that. If you want quiet and serenity the middle of Provincetown is not
going to be for you. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
5:54 pm edt 

Margaret Thather - Provincetown Voice

Does Margaret Thatcher ever shut up? On the voice he has an opinion
about Provincetown on everything. All of this from someone who is at most a
part-time weekend resident.

Sometimes one should step back and just listen
5:53 pm edt 

Union Letter vs Jeff Jaran

I am grateful to Meredith Lobur and all of those in the Police Union
who issued the letter confirming what many in the community felt and experienced
about our former Police Chief.  I'll never forget that!
5:51 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

Re: "PT cops have not always worn the SWAT team look so it is not
"traditional". Personally I would like to see the cops in lighter colored shirts
and shorts in the summer. Like it or not there are too many cops that like to
swagger and look threatening."


Your post is absolutely ridiculous. SWAT teams wear combat style uniforms with
tackle belts and vests. Our police officers wear simple dark colored uniforms
like many in other cities around the country. They are immediately recognizable
as police officers in this uniform, nobody is going to mistake it as a combat
outfit. I've lived here for many years and spend a good amount of time on
Commercial Street and I've never seen the "threatening swagger" you speak of.
Sounds like you're a bit paranoid.

And your comment stating "Personally I would like to see the cops in lighter
colored shirts and shorts" actually had me laughing out loud! Well, "personally"
I'd like to see them all wearing rainbow suspenders and polka dot ties, but
that's about as practical and dignified as your suggestion, so I guess neither
is likely to happen.
5:50 pm edt 

Uniforms

Why is it that every town on the cape and beyond have the same uniforms as
Provincetown but it's Provincetown alone that is intimidating?  Let's get beyond
this aleady..
5:47 pm edt 

Housing Boom

Lets see, we have the "Virtuous Circle" group of rich Provincetowners who are
going to created scads of cheap housing for us.

We have the selectmen who are going to turn the community Center into a vast,
fancy, cheap housing project.

We have the "poison Pill" Crowd who want to tax second homeowners to death..and
thus turn Provincetown into a place where houses can be bought cheap.

Who has been left out of the affordable housing craze?
5:45 pm edt 

Sorry But How Ignorant You Are

Really, I wanted to say how stupid you are. Police uniforms are not the purview
of the police. a town, a community sets its rules. Maybe you should be walking
the beat instead of posting here.

Really, I am appalled.
5:44 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms - How wrong You are

This town needs and wants police to represent them. they do not want taser-led,
heavy-vest protected police. they want community friendly people and that means
police.

It has been a five year wrong turn. We want another direction and we want who we
had years ago. Were you here? I hardly doubt you were. there was no such
problem before the Jeff Jaran let's take over the town.

Let's just go back to simple dress, welcoming attitude and community-involved
police. this is what we want and we deserve exactly this.
5:42 pm edt 

Re: "New Housing Policy Needed"

CONDOS ALLOWED US TO MAKE PROVINCETOWN A SECOND HOME

We used to live here and then we moved away, built careers and then we were able
to come and buy a little piece of Provincetown because we could buy a condo.

Do you think that we could ever afford a single family home here? Those days are
long gone.

With a condo we were able to secure a home that would never be taken away from
us. We realized that we couldn't work here at seasonal jobs and make the kind of
money it would take to live a comfortable life.

Now we are being denigrated for buying condos? Now you want to penalize people
who came here and worked here and who bought multi family homes because it was
the only way that they could afford to live here?

Now you want to create a poison pill to infect the community as though that will
bring you back to past decades when one could own a home here? OR ANYWHERE?

The world has changed. My father raised a family of 8 and was able to buy a
home..as were my friend's parents. No one cad do that now and be a blue collar
worker.
5:37 pm edt 

Re: "New Housing Policy Needed" - A Rebuttal

"Timothy Guy Olive Its not just about condo conversions but also about
the    gutting of Provincetown as a community. That needs to stop. Now. So how
is that accomplished? I would suggest a two pronged attack. First building more
middle income housing(which i'm currently working on); second reign in an out of
control housing market.

The Federal Reserve Bank does this all the time with the financial markets;
there is a precedent. It can be done by "poison pills", making it unreasonable
to buy a second home here if you don't live here by inducing a heavy tax rate
for non resident home owners.

Yes, it will piss people off; but what about the thousands who have been forced
to leave Ptown? I believe that this move over time will return more housing to
locals by deflating the housing market. It's time we rebuild our community."



What a great idea! I can't wait to hear the analysis of this novel economic
solution.  Let me be sure I understand it. Destroy the housing market to depress
the value of home prices so that "middle Income"( from whence do they get their
middle income) folks can afford to buy the homes that are on the waterfront
selling for 2 mil.  That will eliminate the people who spend the money to pay
the wages of the local people who will not be able to find work to buy the newly
affordable waterfront homes. And, then the tax revenue will sink because of the
lower values and the town will have to declare bankruptcy to hide from all the
lawsuits brought by the folks who lost all the money by this scheme.  Of course,
all the tradesmen who now make out pretty well working for all the second home
owners will be looking to the new owners for work, but won't be able to afford
any work. Now the best part,  all the jobs create to serve the huge new local
legal industry in place to sort things out. They'll make out so well that they'll
buy second homes and pay the higher taxes and drive out all the middle class
that was just starting to like their new found poverty. 

Thanks, I like it.
5:33 pm edt 

Provincetown Police

"This Police dept has done it's best to practically eliminate hate
crimes and they have also have done their best to keep the crime
rate extremely low."


Can you explain to me how a Police officer can eliminate a hate crime? Or any
crime for that matter? A Police officer does not get involed untill after the
crime has been committed, so how do they prevent it? The Police keeping crime
rates low is an absurd idea that way too many people fall for hook, line and
sinker. They can however investigate crime and hold those responcible
accountable. No more than that.

A Rat In The Basement
5:26 pm edt 

Thursday, June 12, 2014

Re: Police Uniforms "Letter"

" I also have had bad experiences with Meredith Lobur."

Here we go again. Finger pointing, shaming and judgments leveled on a female
authority figure, this time Meredith Lobur. Oh, she has a scowl on her face?
Poor you! I read her letter posted here that offended some. My god, from the
comments, I expected something very different then was actually presented. The
letter was professionally written, to the point and logical. Oh yeah. Women
aren't supposed to show those traits. Maybe she should curtsey next time she
sees you.
6:19 pm edt 

New Housing Policy Needed

SCARY MIND SET ABOUT POLICY TO REBUILD THE COMMUNITY

Timothy Guy Olive Its not just about condo conversions but also about the
gutting of Provincetown as a community. That needs to stop. Now. So how is that
accomplished? I would suggest a two pronged attack. First building more middle
income housing(which i'm currently working on); second reign in an out of
control housing market.

The Federal Reserve Bank does this all the time with the financial markets;
there is a precedent. It can be done by "poison pills", making it unreasonable
to buy a second home here if you don't live here by inducing a heavy tax rate
for non resident home owners.

Yes, it will piss people off; but what about the thousands who have been forced
to leave Ptown? I believe that this move over time will return more housing to
locals by deflating the housing market. It's time we rebuild our community.
6:17 pm edt 

Re: "Rick Murray is Correct" and Detective Lobur:

What is this all about?

I guarantee if anyone of you were in serious trouble - either as a victim
or a soon-to-be or ultimate defendant - you would be lucky to have her at your
side; protecting you and all the rest of us.

Memories here seem very opportunistic. No one had any problem with the union
letter that she signed on behalf of almost all the union members (19 of 21) when
it suited your purposes. Come on people. Quit reading more into situations than
is warranted.
6:14 pm edt 

Police Uniforms - When Jeff Jaran First Came to Town
 
He walked the beat. He was on the street many days and dressed rather informally
though in police uniform. then he changed and with it a more militarized dress,
attitude, one that was intimidating, threatening and quite authoritarian. the
change of dress for Provincetown police reflected this change of attitude and
people felt it was getting to be a police state. they purposefully stopped
citizens and went out of their way to pay back those who were against the new
expensive police station. The remnants remain.

And it is this I hear from the many posts concerning the uniforms. the dress is
symbolic and it reflects attitudes and approaches. People want a friendly, more
welcoming police and the dress is not insignificant in the change desired. It
remains a small town with small threats. We do not need taser-led, SWAT team
approaches to any of us living here or visiting here in Provincetown.
6:12 pm edt 

Police Uniforms - Micro Management

Police uniforms are police business.One bad thing that has come out of
all the turmoil this town has gone over the past year through is the perception
that citizens can or should micro manage every aspect of our town government.
The general public does not necessarily know what is best for every department.
This is a road that is very counterproductive and even dangerous.
6:09 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

"The fact that a large number of residents in Provincetown are
obsessed with trying to get the police to wear polo shirts instead of
traditional police uniforms just shows how out of touch with the world much of
this town is."


First of all, you don't realy know if it is a "lerge" number of residents.  It
certainly is some.

I grew up in a city where the cops wore white shirts with black ties.  In
another city nearby they wore lifgt blue shirts with a black/dark blue tie. PT
cops have not always worn the SWAT team look so it is not "traditional". 
Personally I would like to see the cops in lighter colored shirts and shorts in
the summer. Like it or not there are too many cops that like to swagger and look
threatening.  I did NOT say ALL or even MOST.  Tasers are not a problem to me
any more than the guns are.  Good cops will only use them in desperate
situations.

The letter to the BOS says it was from ALL the cops.  If so why didn't thy all
sign it.  Whatever uniform that the cops wear will have a badge on it, and a cop
in it.  If the police are well chosen, well trained and feel that they are
employed to serve the people, then we will all be happy.  Cops like some
recently departed who loved their fifty mission hats and swagger, may have real
ego problems and are the type to intimidate and push people around.

We need to hire  a town manager that understand the role of the police
department and in turn hires a Chief who understands that and will work hard to
select and train his/her officers.  If that happens we will have a department
that doesn't feel the need to look like they are going to war.
6:07 pm edt 

To: Dr. Rick Murray

Yes. Thank god we always have  dr, Murray to speak for all of us. Hey
Rick, guess what?  I like Lobur and so do many others. Sorry she doesn't meet
your approval.
6:04 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

The uniforms that the police are wearing are acceptable.  There is no
good reason to change to a different uniform.  This is the same uniform being
worn by police officers near and far.  This is the uniform the police want to
wear so let them continue to wear it.
6:01 pm edt 

Wednesday, June 11, 2014

Re: Police Uniforms

The fact that a large number of residents in Provincetown are obsessed
with trying to get the police to wear polo shirts instead of traditional police
uniforms just shows how out of touch with the world much of this town is. And I,
for one, don't think that is something to be proud of. Police officers aren't
supposed to look laid back and relaxed. It's a serious job.

The most foolish argument I keep hearing is that the police uniform is
intimidating to the tourists. I don't care where these tourists are from, surely
they are familiar with police officers and their traditional manner of dress.
Every town has them. Why would people expect ours to dress like they're
attending a tennis match?

Can we please move on and focus our energy on something important?
11:34 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

I will say this; I'm not fond at all of seeing the faces of our law
men and women more resembling the soldiers fighting in Afghanistan than small
town police officers. One officer is so silly brainwashed that he believes that
he "needs" his bullet proof vest, his taser, and his other 6 contraptions
attached to his belt.

Here's the deal: keep the peace, be a welcomer of the town. But please do not
intimidate upon sight simply by wearing a uniform with attachments so crazy that
people immediately squirm. Tone the military effect down. It's unpleasant for
the officers and most certainly unpleasant for the observing tourist/local.

11:33 pm edt 

Rick Murry is Correct

I also have had bad experiences with Meredith
Lobur. She is rude, crude and always has a scowl on her face. That needs to
change but I'm not convinced her makeup is right for this town. Many other
officers were hired and fit our hamlet more appropriately.  If an officer
appears and is perceived as mean spirited, chances are the public is right. Rick
Murray has shared with this to me for a number of years.
11:30 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

I have posted a few blogs recently about the uniforms and was attacked with a
couple or so nagative comments because of my postings. Even though I expect it
on this particular site, I never in any way tried to make anyone change their
beliefs, just wanted to give what I thought were positive thoughts to consider.
Nothing more and nothing less.

However, the negative comments I recieved in return only soured a few more
people, so I say thank you to whomever you are. As a result, I will now only
read all future postings here and will prepare a petition in the mean time that
will give support to the Police and the uniforms they are currently wearing.

If the uniforms the PPD were wearing were yellow while all the Cape depts, plus,
were wearing blue or black and the residents here wanted this dept to be like
the rest, I guess that idea could be kicked around in a good way and probably
would recieve more community support. However, that is not the case. This Police
Dept already looks like all other depts. Instead "someone or someones" wants to
embarass this dept by having them look like they came to town with Barnum &
Bailey.

This Police dept has done it's best to practically eliminate hate crimes and
they have also have done their best to keep the crime rate extremely low. What
is needed here and now to help maintain those statistics is not only the
continuation of an Officer's love for the job but the support of the community.

I totally understand the financial concern of the new police station many
residents have but for some unknown reason, there's been complaints they are not
smiling enough, then there's an attempt to take away the tasers and force them
to change their uniforms. Not sure if this is the works of a certain group or
not but I question if this makes the men and women of the PPD feel like they
have our support.I just think all this rift-raft is only gonna divide us again
if it continues.

Roger Green
11:28 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms - Enough Already!

Whats next, asking the police to get rid of their guns? how
ridiculous...  Most departments are going to tasers.  Whys don't you ask the
carpenter to get rid of his hammer?

Lets get off this subject already....
8:17 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniform

The style or color of the police uniforms isn't the issue for me; it
was the sour puss, glaring, and staring down at people, intimidating behaviors,
coupled with our not knowing who these newly hired officers that was the issue. 
Add to all of this their lack of community involvement, and never stepping out of
their cars to be on the street unless there was a public works project they were
assigned to, and it all added up to a perceived confrontational, negative,
uninvolved, reckless attifude, seemingly not discouraged by their Chief then.

Black polyester isn't what I'd personally choose to wear in hot, humid summer
days while walking the streets, etc.  Black attracts heat, and polyester retains
it...not a good combo for someone who's supposed to be out and about in their
line of duty.  In fact, if I had to wear one of those uniforms, on those hot
humid summer days we get, I'd make it a point to to stay in my cruiser as much
as possible, or come up with stuff to do at the station.  But if our police
officers love their uniforms, and their fulfillment  of their duties during the
summer isn't altered in any way because of their uniforms' color or style, then
I say: "Let them continue wearing them".
8:14 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

"The uniform is on par with 90% of the states departments."


But isnt Provincetown suppossed to be "like nowhere else" ?

A Rat In The Basement
6:29 pm edt 

Re: BoS Meeting - Chief of Police - Police Uniforms "Letter"

Yes, Meredith Lober signed the letter on the behalf of ALL of the
officers. She is the head of the police union and DID not write the letter in
that capacity , nor was it written to be just her opinion  It was on the behalf
of all
5:08 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

So whoever thinks that the police need to be under tight civilian
control is nuts. I have chosen not to get involved in police matters now that
Jaran is gone but if the same crap is thrown at the great cops we now have in
town it would be a great mistake. Leave the police alone, go pick on the school
superintendent, she is a loose canon that needs to be fired.
5:06 pm edt 

To: Dr. Murray

You make some great points.  Thank you for taking a proactive, forward looking,
and positive approach toward moving forward.  I look forward to seeing the
positive influence the civil engagement committee causes.
5:05 pm edt 

J1 Visas and Compliance

The federal govt. is requesting business owners whom are breaking the
Laws. This came in a email today from the compliance dept.
5:03 pm edt 

Re: Tasers
 
"I and many others find them threatening and unnecessary!!!!"


Although I understand your concerns about Tasers, I think your concerns are a
bit misguided.  Tasers are much less dangerous options of force than a
expandable baton.  Expandable batons dont just break bones.. they shatter them. 
Tasers are only used in serious situations where someone is in peril of getting
hurt by a combative suspect.  Tasers have also been used in other towns on many
occasions to subdue suicidal people attempting to kill themselves, SAVING THEIR
LIVES.  There are a use and a place for tasers.  They are only scary and SWAT
because of misconceptions about their use.

On another note, I have seen the Provincetown Police in their uniform.  I can
tell you definitively that their uniform is NOT a SWAT style uniform.  The
uniform is on par with what 90% of the states police departments.
5:01 pm edt 

BoS Meeting - Chief of Police - Police Uniforms "Letter"

From: Jim Golden
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:07 PM
To: Tom Donegan; Robert Anthony; Raphael Richter; Erik Yingling; Cheryl Andrews
Cc: David Gardner
Subject: Chatter about Police Uniforms

Good Afternoon,

Please know that I was recently made aware of some sporadic chatter on social media about a town plan to alter or change the uniform worn by Provincetown Police Officers. I had not given it much attention because I was not made aware by anyone in leadership that this "discussion" was taking place anywhere else but in the usual social arenas.

Last week I was approached by a member of the Provincetown Finance Committee who asked me to inquire of our department members if they were interested in essentially "dressing down" to polo-style shirts (similar to the ones in use by our bicycle patrol officers) during the months of July and August.

I have attached their reply to this email.

I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have with regard to this issue.

Thank you, and I apologize for interrupting any of your weekend.

Very respectfully,

Jim Golden
Chief of Police, Acting
PD Provincetown


Town of Provincetown PoliceDepartment  

James F. Golden                                                                                    
Acting Chief of Police                                                                      


Date:   May 27, 2014
 

Dear Chief Golden: I am writing this letter, not in my capacity as Union President, but on behalf of the entire Provincetown Police Department.  Firstly, I want to thank you for presenting the proposed uniform change as proffered by the Board of Selectman. Their offer to have the Town of Provincetown purchase four (4) embroidered, polo shirts for each member of the department was most generous.  

The men and women of this Department, however, must respectfully decline their offer. There are several significant reasons why polo shirts are unacceptable attire for police officers. I would like to enumerate some of these in the following paragraphs: 

The Provincetown Police Department is a professional law enforcement entity.  Every member of this Department endeavors to comport themselves as such. This professionalism is manifested by the very uniforms we wear. The community and the public have a right to expect that when we respond to a call for service, we will do so professionally in our attitudes, actions and appearance. Each is a necessary and integral component of community policing.  

The uniform worn by the Provincetown Police Department is the standard uniform worn by virtually all departments in every town on Cape Cod. In fact, our uniform with some minor permutations, are the same uniforms worn by every law enforcement agency in the United States and abroad.  

There is a reason for this “uniformity.” It is necessary for police officers to be highly visible and recognizable. Clinical and empirical studies have shown that uniformed police officers on the street are a significant deterrent to crime.

Uniformed officers have been shown to prophylactically deter crime, by virtue of their mere presence, up to three (3) times more those clad in other attire. The traditional police uniform has also been shown to elicit increased cooperation from citizens.
 Citizens, especially children, have been conditioned to seek out and request help, safety and information from police officers.

The uniform is the visual identifier that people seek when they are in need of assistance. The uniform is an important conduit in the relationship between the public and the police. 
 

The uniformed, command presence of a police officer is a key element in the use of force module that officers are trained in. The uniform is a key element in soliciting cooperation from persons without the officer having to resort to other, more physical techniques.

It has been shown that even a slight change in uniform to a more casual style, has escalated the number of assaults on police officers. An FBI Study of criminals, who killed police officers, cited a major contributing factor as the comportment and uniform appearance of the officer.
 

We have been conferred the power to deprive persons of their very liberty and to use lethal force if necessary.  We are charged with protecting the lives and rights of the citizens and visitors of our community. When necessary, we will do so at the expense of our own.  

We are not bar security.  We are not valets.  We are not cabana attendants. The men and women of this Department consider it an honor and a privilege to wear the uniform of the Provincetown Police Department.  We will continue to do so in the same uniform we wore when we raised our hands and took an oath to serve and protect the Town of Provincetown. 

Yours in Service, __________________________Meredith Kurkjian Lobur

On Behalf of the Men and Women of the Provincetown Police Department 
4:47 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniform

"I agree, leave the police alone and just let them choose a uniform."


Who are the "police" that will choose the uniform?  A vote by all members
choosing from several possibilities?  A dictate by the Chief?

What if the "police" choose bright red?  How about all black with combat boots
and visors and assault rifles?

We and all other governments exercise control over our police.  A problem that
can occur is a natural tendency towards militarism.  Civilian control can curb
that.  We saw this here with Jaran. It WILL happen again without vigilance. The
police MUST be under tight civilian direction.
1:14 pm edt 

BoS Meeting - Chief of Police

I Like the Way Lt. golden Dresses for BOs meetings


I like the fact that he is informal and does not show up in total police dress
with medals galore. I find that he gets respect for the position he holds and
how he handles himself and not using the uniform as Jaran did to threaten.

I applaud Lt golden and find that he doing good work as Acting Chief.
1:11 pm edt 

Re: Compliance Officer

"I'm a hard working family man and you business owners are hiring
these other guys instead of us..and now you will pay the price and be closed
down. My and I have nothing to lose."


Good to know that you have nothing to lose. So., maybe you can tell us the exact
job that you wanted that went to "these other guys".  What do you do to support
your family now?  Does my response seem like that I might doubt your veracity? 
Well, I do a wee bit.
10:03 am edt 

Re: Compliance Officer

"It is the state department. They are taking these complaints very
seriously. The spotlight will be shining on provincetown and to some businesses
with their underhanded, illegal dealings, it will be an interrogation light not
a spot light illuminating your wondrous, lustrous business but the illegal and
underhanded goings on in this town...so, be afraid, be very afraid..and head
will roll."


Do you really expect that we take these silly melodramatic threats/promises
seriously.  I hope that any illegal activities will be handled fairly and
completely, but your posts are funny in their soap opera prose.
9:59 am edt 

Re: Police Uniform

"The letter she wrote was on behalf of ALL the officers in
Provincetown  Your unfounded attacks that SHE is the one speaking on behalf of
herself is killing the messenger."



Did she sign the letter as the official spokesperson for the dept?  No.  She
signed it herself.  Therefore it was her NOT ALL the members.
9:57 am edt 

Uniforms and Tasers

I was walking last evening and noticed three police officers standing
together talking. I agree with a change in uniform as they looked like a swat
team. I do agree that those Tasers on their belts are frightening and send our
tourist the wrong message.
9:56 am edt 

BoS Meeting - Chief of Police

I know the big topic is about adjusting to a kinder police uniform but
after watching acting chief golden's attire, I have to question whether he is
the appropriate person to engage in this conversation. Unless a black t-shirt 
and kaki pants are appropriate to wear to not only a Selectmens meeting but a
televised Meeting! Is it me or is he a bit underdressed? It looks as if he slept
in them. We want less threatening uniforms, not sloppy and disrespectful.
9:53 am edt 

Re: Tasers

I for one plan on writing a letter to the Board of Selectmen to
include in their upcoming meeting with the police department about removing
tasers from their wardrobe. That is the logical next step. We the town never
wanted them and never approved them at town meeting. I and many others find them
threatening and unnecessary!!!!
9:51 am edt 

Re: BoS Meeting - Union Letter

Anyone have a copy of the letter they want to post in here? Would love to read
what all the hubbub is about.
9:49 am edt 

Police Department

I am fortunate enough to have been asked to participate in the newly formed
Civic engagement committee, I don't want to bore you with our first 3 hour
orientation/meeting but we have a great cross section of the community on the
committee and we can add more if you are interested in productive, pro-active
discussions on moving our town forward. We had a great dialogue with the Acting
Chief of Police Jim Golden and the Unions representative who is on the
committee, Greg Hennick. He is articulate bright and I think a great asset to
this town. I myself applauded him and Sgt. Enos and our new officer Joe ( I
forgot his last name) who are warm friendly and get out of their vehicles and
actually engage with the downtown tourists and business owners. I also made
clear that Office Labour is viewed in a different light and she and those set in
the "old ways" of aggressive tone, body language and basic tenor need to change
and work with the community and not against it and at the same!
  time succeed in his or her profession in a professional manner. But again it
is a 2 way street if you want the Police to be more "customer friendly" we also
need to show them the respect and friendliness in return. I think we have turned
the corner and this "new force" is moving in the right direction. I also pointed
out that Jeff Jaran recruited many of the young officers that make up our force
and he should be acknowledged for the positive members who do make up our force.

Rick Murray
9:45 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

"Provincetown Public Press

Has anyone figured out who started the Provincetown Public Press without the
authorization of the Library Trustees, and who is paying for it?

How is this possible?????????? "



First explain to us why the library trustees need to authorize the site.  The
tell us why you care, or are entitled to know, who is paying for it. It is a
private organization.

Now, to explain to you how it is possible, maybe a single word will help -
AMERICA. Ask Clarence to put up the constitution and all the amendments.  Then
check the one about free speech.

We are still waiting to see the Charter posted so maybe the Constitution will
take a little longer
9:43 am edt 

Re: Point Street - Planning Board

"I, for one,am going to call the state Requarding point street
And miller hill. This planning board and conservation comm.
Has to go!!!!! Add this to victors mess on Bradford.

Why doesn't anyone listen in ptown!!!!!!!!"



Yes, you call.  And, before you do, make sure that you research what laws were
broken because you probably will be asked.  The boards in town are sworn to
uphold the law, not your idea of right and wrong.  Good luck, and pleae be sure
to record the call so that we can  hear you tell them what laws were broken.
9:38 am edt 

BoS Meeting - Sound Reasoning

"I am on the fence about the parking hikes, but will defer to the
FINCOM that they have done their homework like they said"


Oh, sure.  The FINCOM still has no legal authority to have anything to do with
the parking fees unless there is an article before town meeting.  But, of
course, there are those sycophants who wish the fincom ran the town.  get over
it because it has NO say in the matter.  Like it or not it is a BOS decision no
matter to whom you defer
9:36 am edt 

Re: Police Uniform

I agree, leave the police alone and just let them choose a uniform.
This constant complaining about police needs to stop. You people loved her when
she used the same tone to tell the former police chief to go to hell, shut up
all of you, enough.
9:35 am edt 

Re: Compliance Officer

ATTENTION BUSINESS OWNERS

It starts with the compliance officer, then the other investigative teams, and
the immigration.

Fake social security cards, illegal workers who overstayed their visas, illegal
appartments at businesses, marriages for money for green cards..the house of
cards will be tumbling down.

I'm a hard working family man and you business owners are hiring these other
guys instead of us..and now you will pay the price and be closed down. My and I
have nothing to lose.
9:34 am edt 

Compliance Officer

It is the state department. They are taking these complaints very seriously. The
spotlight will be shining on provincetown and to some businesses with their
underhanded, illegal dealings, it will be an interrogation light not a spot
light illuminating your wondrous, lustrous business but the illegal and
underhanded goings on in this town...so, be afraid, be very afraid..and head
will roll.
9:32 am edt 

BoS Meeting - Police Uniform

Thank you Beth for posting BOS meeting last night. You're great! It's
really a very long meeting. But at the end when the acting police chief speaks
to the infamous union letter by Meredith Lebor, I thought Bobby Anthony spoke
the best. He said it better than I could. It's not the whole uniform debate
that's disturbing, but the "mentality" of the author of the letter. It bothered
me too. Thank you Bobby.
9:29 am edt 

Point Street...

Yes, we have walked down point street thousands of times. Your attitude
Is what's killing ptown. Point street was a hidden gem till it was decided
You could cut into a large,large dune to build your vacation home.
I am so fed up with your kind of attitude.
If you believe everything is fine with our permitting dept, than
Jaran and Lynn were also great.
9:27 am edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

I have had personal contact with Meredith Lober and find that she is a
professional in EVERY sense of the word and a wonderful representative of
Provincetown Police  The letter she wrote was on behalf of ALL the officers in
Provincetown  Your unfounded attacks that SHE is the one speaking on behalf of
herself is killing the messenger.  Some find her wording offensive You missed
the point totally  Leave her alone till you know the woman and her role
9:26 am edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

Det. Lobur represents the police force in a town that demands a police
department. She represents the Jaran mentality of us vs. them and as such is a
big problem.
9:24 am edt 

Tuesday, June 10, 2014

Provincetown Police

I am SUPER HAPPY with our police department!!
5:00 pm edt 

BoS Meeting - Union Letter

Detective Lobur's letter was absolutely appalling! Not only did it
offend the BOS but many of us working class people. It is obvious she's really
the one controlling and dictating that in the end will cost this town dearly. I
believe this board needs to stand up to her and the union and let them know they
work for us! She never apologized for the disgraceful depiction of an anal rape
in an open Selectmens meeting to make her case for needing a police station.
It's too late now especially after this latest episode. The town wide goals
don't even mention a breath of a new police station! I guess it all evens out in
the end. Nice work.
4:59 pm edt 

J1 Compliance

I hope when Mr. James from the J1 compliance department (whatever the
f#@K that is) arrives he shows up at my business and talks to my J1 workers who
are here for their second and third years.

The J1 program really works for this town and our guest worker participants. 
Their numbers are in the hundreds each year.  Could so many WELL EDUCATED people
be tricked year after year into a summer of bad treatment in Provincetown?
4:57 pm edt 

Miller Hill Fiasco!

DUNE WARS,

I was FLABERGASTTED by what is going on up there, on Miller Hill.  Talk about
arrogance and insensitivity, allowed or not.  What a blight on the
neighborhood...........saving the barn indeed, why no build a skyscraper around
it.  What a mess, shame shame shame on all involved.

This is a total power trip and clearly all about making money..........what a
disgusting enterprise.
4:56 pm edt 

Provincetown Public Library

Provincetown Public Press

Has anyone figured out who started the Provincetown Public Press without the
authorization of the Library Trustees, and who is paying for it?

How is this possible??????????
4:54 pm edt 

Sound Reasoning

I am on the fence about the parking hikes, but will defer to the
FINCOM that they have done their homework like they said. I'm also happy that the
Chair of the BOS acknowledged the fact that just because certain town wide goals
were on the list in 2013 does NOT mean they have to be on the 2014 list. No new
police station UNTIL we can fairly fund it. Community housing is a MUST for
2014! Please help us!!!
4:52 pm edt 

BoS Meeting - Thank You

I would like to thank the board of selectmen last night. Each one of
them expressed their unhappiness with the highly unnecessary tone of Police
Officer Meredith Lobur's letter to them. It was totally uncalled for, and like
Tom Donegan said so well, it was rife with unnecessary aggressiveness and
against the very idea of community policing. I sure hope this woman doesn't
represent the rest of the police. If so, we are in trouble.
4:51 pm edt 

Point Street - Planning Board

"What on earth is happening at the end of Point Street in the west
end. It looks as if the dune has been bombed and the house on top is about to
collapse. Was this allowed by the planning board? Everyone should be outraged
that this ishappening.  If you have not seen this destruction, please go take a look
and contact the planning board.  This appears to be one of the most destructive acts
on the land that has occurred in town."



And just exactly leads you, and so many others here, to always believe that
something nefarious is in the works?  Why are you so bloody sure that the
project is not fully permitted? Do you have a little battle going with the
property owners?  Ponte street is rather off the beaten path, so how did you
happen to stumble across this terrible affront?

Did you call the planning board?  I'll bet not.  This blog is not an official
town to citizen pipe line.  It is more for spreading heat rather than light.
Rumor rather than fact.
4:49 pm edt 

Enough Already!

I,for one,am going to call the state Requarding point street
And miller hill. This planning board and conservation comm.
Has to go!!!!! Add this to victors mess on Bradford.

Why doesn't anyone listen in ptown!!!!!!!!
4:46 pm edt 

Monday, June 9, 2014

Demolition of Dune at End of Point Street

What on earth is happening at the end of Point Street in the west end. It looks
as if the dune has been bombed and the house on top is about to collapse.
Was this allowed by the planning board? Everyone should be outraged that this is
happening.  If you have not seen this destruction, please go take a look and
contact the planning board.  This appears to be one of the most destructive acts
on the land that has occurred in town.
10:47 pm edt 

BoS Meeting June 9, 2014

Board of Buffoons

I just finished watching the BOS meeting tonight.  WTF?  There were several
compelling points made about the need for greater strategic planning and less
reactionary decisioning.   Then several business folks made compelling cases for
not increasing parking fees, despite the Chair of Fin Com dismissing there is no
compelling data to make the case that parking fees should not be increased. 
Following this false assertion, the Parking Administrator made the point that
nobody on FinCom had asked the Town's Parking Dept for data.  Apparently there
is data that indicates that as parking rates increase, people park for shorter
periods of time.  Also, the Parking Admin made the case that this rate increase
has not been fully thought out and there will be unintended consequences in that
a parking ticket for a violation is only $25, which is the max rate per day at
the Grace Hall lot, thus motivating people to take the risk of parking illegally
for no penalty other than the maximum p!
arking rate.    A parking ticket of $25 is actually less than the new max
parking rate at the Municipal Parking Lot of $35.  The BOS could not agree on a
motion to increase rates, and ultimately capitulated to the proposed rates out
of frustration.  They kept debating whether rates should be free in April,
refusing to acknowledge that there is not any business open in April, nor is
there any business open in May!   They were looking at data for parking revenue
this past May that apparently was up, but refused to acknowledge that the
parking lot revenue in May was artificially high because there was a parking ban
on Commercial Street for the entire month of May, forcing people to park in the
lots.  The other thing that bothers me is that I question if Raphael should have
recused himself, because it seems to me that he financially benefits if parking
rates are increased because it disincents folks from driving here, which means
that the demand for taxis increases.  Obvioulsy !
Raphael was fully supportive of parking rate increases because it bene
fits him financially.  Also, during the "goals" discussion, there was no
acknowledgement that tourism should be our primary goal and what strategies
should be implemented to help to increase tourism.   It's unfortunate there is
no leadership on the BOS.
10:45 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

"It was not until they started wearing the current uniform did they
look like real police officers."



And what did they look like before?  This is so silly. Cops do not have to look
like TV SWAT teams to be effective.  Marines have a stripe on their pants. 
State troopers have a stripe.  So what the H is your stupid point.

Being a                 years still makes you a     .  Bad experience is bad no
matter.
10:41 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

"For the record, White is a target..  Stick with what they have... 
They are universal throughout the state... "


Kidding,right?  White is a target, like for the Taliban when the visit PT?  What
do you mean?  People going to shoot only those with white shirts?  Get real. 
This is the lamest of reasons yet.  Universal?  BS.  By you only.  There is no
universal in the state.
10:39 pm edt 

Re: Hawthorne Barn - Josh Praeger & the Planning Board

Another Mess:

I urge all those on the Planning Board to go down to 25 miller hill rd
and take a look at the ravage of the dune and the indifference to the abutters
property lines. You all voted on this. You are all responsible. This is
disgusting.In addition , the barn was taken by Mr. Kaiser and Mr. Moss then they
instituted an ANR. They created a "free" lot to build on. Look at what they are
doing. On top of it all they claim to respect nature etc.   Adam Moss and Daniel
Kaiser's first encounter with you ( planning board) was to put a deck on and Deb
Paine should have won an academy award for her portrayal of them. They built the
deck around a tree because they "didn't want to kill a tree".  What BS. Planning
board get down there now- Dorothy Polanza you fell for Josh Praeger's BS in the
beginning. go down there now.Take a look. Oh and check out the record of
complaints of his inhabiting a seasonal dwelling and providing heat by a Diesel
generator. Neighbors were overwhelmed b!
y diesel by-product. If this town does not do something I promise I will take
this as far as I need to. Wake Up Planning board!!!!!!!!!
10:34 pm edt 

25 Miller Hill Rd. Hawthorne Barn

Yukkkkk.  I am an abutter. Was there ever a public site visit to this property like all other developers must go through. I want to  know!!

John Golden- Were you Chairman when this came your way? Who was
the Chairman of the Planning Board for this project . Clearly in high elevation.
When was this put through. I want answers or I will be down to see David
Gardner. Abutters were NEVER invited to a public site visit on this . Why??
Others in the area were obliged for projects.  I am so sick of this
hypocrisy.Yes , Russell did coach them on this project. I will not stop until I
get my answers.

Not  a Threat. A FACT.
7:05 pm edt 

Police Uniforms:

For the record, White is a target..  Stick with what they have...  They are
universal throughout the state...
6:21 pm edt 

25 Miller HIl Rd- Holy Makrel

They have cleared right up to all the property lines- infact they exposed a retaining
wall that is the back end of an abutting property. Daniel Kaieser and Adam Moss as
well as Josh Praeger are not the crunchy munchy lovers of provincetown they pretend
to be.

They are opportunists. Also- they cut into the dune and the top exposed portion has
to be at least 15 cut out.  Meaning they took out at least 15 ft. hight clear cut
across of the dune. And they claim to be naturalists. What a joke. And most
everyone in this town fell for their B.S.- Russ Braun was their friend in this
as well. Trucks are parked constantly in 27 miller hill- not their property-

I wonder if the owners know this. They could care less about this community. They
care only about their pockets. As the poster said they should just admit- they
are developers.
6:19 pm edt 

Regarding Police Uniforms

It's amazing when someone just tries to shed light on basic stuff about the
uniforms so everyone may ponder those thoughts, nothing less, nothing more. I
continue to be subject to nasty comments. Comments that "I try to act
knowledgable", etc,is sad. I worked for the PPD for approx 37 years, so I think
I am knowledgable.

I worked for the dept when they once were wearing a unfirom that had the white
stripe down the sides of the pants that many thought the dept looked more like a
marching band then police officers. It was not until they started wearing the
current uniform did they look like real police officers. Uniforms that I do
believe they have been wearing for over the last 5 years.

This dept went thru a nasty 5 years when Jaran was in office and after he was
fired, it seemed like the public was coming around to show support for them.
Instead all you read now is atacks, after attacks. If it's not the police
station they want and need, it's the tasers, or they are not smiling and now the
uniforms. Gotta wonder when does this ever stop.

Also, the comment that I have emotional ties, is far from the truth, but it
obviously made you feel better saying that but if you knew me, I think you would
find that statement as rectal as your others. I will rest my case and for the
record, I will now go above & beyond to support the Police in what they are now
wearing just to express my thanks to you and you only. Game is on.
5:22 pm edt 

Jaran Appeal

Is there any where to go to get an update on all the pending lawsuits
from the Sharon days, and Jaran's appeal? I hope we don't settle with him, I
don't want my tax dollars lining his pocket.
1:53 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

"(4) If the men and women of the PPD all agree to wear the current
uniform, then ask yourself "why don't I support their decision"...they are
not asking you towear them."



Mr.Green,

You try to act knowledgeable and reasonable.  It appears that you are just
emotionally attached to this issue, even though you pose your arguments,in a
pseudo logical style with bullets etc.

The members of the police department did not have a say in what they will wear. 
They will wear the official uniform of the PTPD whether they like it or not. The
only decision they mad was to accept a position on the team.

It is not their choice to clean their uniforms cat hair or not.  The department
demands, rightly so, that they appear neat and clean and in proper uniform.

Changing the uniform is not a sign of disrespect.  There are many police
departments that wear white or light blue shirts and ball caps.  If they are
good people who have been educated and trained and look like they are there to
help rather than intimidate, wearing  a non-SWAT looking uniform will not
prevent them from serving the community.
1:49 pm edt 

Re: Town Boards

"Thank God Clarence Walker is on FINCOM because otherwise it would
look like a board comprised of old white men(no disrespect Catherine Russo). Get
some young people on these boards with new ideas!"



As they say, you're kidding, right?  The moderator can only appoint people who
apply.  If only old white guys apply then that is what we get.

What do you mean "new ideas"?  FinCom is not a board that uses new ideas.  Read
the charter.  It only advises Town Meeting on money articles.  It reviews the
town managers budget and uses that information to offer town meeting attendees
an opinion.  It has a little discretion on spending in that it controls the
reserve fund, which is a very small amount of money.


So, you figure out where "new ideas" can come into play.
1:46 pm edt 

Foreign Workers...

Mr  James ,of the j1 visa compliance department has Recieved
Many complaints about ptown and how business owners treat
The workers. He assured me that the compliance dept. will come to town
In the very near future to interview the workers and business,s.
12:50 pm edt 

Hawthorne Barn
 
Where Were the Permits for the Hawthorne Barn? How can Praeger Live
There in the winter?

I too heard from neighbors who complained about the sound and the smell of
diesel generators that were on all the time. This is not legal and the Health
board should not have allowed this. and what about Licensing for these faky
events--events used as a cover to let this person live there. He uses everyone
and he is using if not defaming Hawthorne's reputation for his own narcissistic
wishes.

this is a mess and the neighborhood is disturbed by groups of people, paying for
the events, that should have required abutter's notices and special licenses.
did Praeger do this?
12:28 pm edt 

Foreign Workers ...

This situation has been going on for years and is illegal!
A major b&b ,             has been doing this for years,
And to think he heads the    . I for one will send a letter
To the state!
11:16 am edt 

Town Boards

Thank God Clarence Walker is on FINCOM because otherwise it would look
like a board comprised of old white men(no disrespect Catherine Russo). Get some
young people on these boards with new ideas!
11:14 am edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

"The irrefutable conclusion of all three research projects is that the
police uniform is one of the most immediate, important visual representations of
the law enforcement professional, instantly signaling authority and official
status and inspiring people to respond accordingly."


What is see is an experiment that proves that people will be intimidated by an
authority figure to comply with outlandish illegal requests that no legal cop
could or should ever order.  Imagine a cop ordering you to give money to
someone.  Crazy.
11:11 am edt 

Re: Tasers

"I really hated the idea of tasers (and still hate the prospect of
their abuse) but I am pretty sure they prevent injuries to officers and also to
people they are used to subdue.  Reducing injuries can't be a bad thing and not
technology is perfect."



Have the PT cops ever used a taser on someone?  If so, why and when?
11:06 am edt 

Re: Foreign Student Workers

Dear Sincerely,

If you were so certain about this you should name names and and sign your
letter. I do not think any government agency is going to take any action or give
any credence to anonymous complaints.
11:03 am edt 

Re: Tasers

Corrct me if I am worng, (I mean it) but wasn't the vote at town meeting
regarding the tasers one to fund the tasers for the cops? It was voted down by
the town, the idea that we didn't want to fund them. The PD then went and found
a funding source and got them. If the question at town meeting was "Do we want
tasers?" and it was voted down, that means don't buy them because we as a town
don't want them. But if they found a different funding sorce, The PD didn't
actually disregard the vote.
2:39 am edt 

Re: Foreign Student Workers

"Give me, I deserve, what's yours is mine. Most of the local businesses are
owned by people who took a chance with everything they owned, work 7 days a
week ... ad nauseam"


Here's a clue: the people who are complaining about this ARE other business
owners in town. The people writing about the abuses ARE the other owners. You
know why? Because these people are unfairly competing against them by scamming
the system and the students involved. So cry me a river for these people. They
should, and will, be out of business so legitimate people can continue with
their legitimate businesses. What's the matter? This hitting a little too close
to home for you? And wait until this blows open and you find out who's doing it.

Very, very, interesting.
2:38 am edt 

Re: Hawthorne Barn

"Barn and Studio, not a living space year round for some guy who is so
questionable.    Yes and was  occupied  in April by Prager and friends and
family- Clearly was not categorized as year round- was catergorized as seasonal
which means there was to be no occupancy until  May 15th. He brought in a huge
diesel generator for heat  that caused neighbors to have diesel fuel by product
to come into their homes- formed sut. Neighbors suffered health issues and
Prager still refused to remove Diesel fuel generator until the police, health,
and building dept got in touch with the owners."



HOW Could the building and health dept. allowed this?
2:36 am edt 

Sunday, June 8, 2014

Re: Hawthorne Barn

Barn and Studio, not a living space year round for some guy who is so
questionable.    Yes and was  occupied  in April by Prager and friends and
family- Clearly was not categorized as year round- was catergorized as seasonal
which means there was to be no occupancy until  May 15th. He brought in a huge
diesel generator for heat  that caused neighbors to have diesel fuel by product
to come into their homes- formed sut. Neighbors suffered health issues and
Prager still refused to remove Diesel fuel generator until the police, health,
and building dept got in touch with the owners. This guy cares less about ptown.
He cares about himself. So many have been taken advantage by him.
3:24 pm edt 

Re: Hawthorne Barn

"These are the guys that "saved the barn" - Please
look at what they are building - talk about taking a chunk out of a dune. They
have to be the most two faced people. They say how much they hate develepors and
look what they are doing in front of the barn. They should just admit they ARE
developers. They take the cake."



These guys do take the  cake - Prager went before the town and was awarded a
grant to  save the barn- he put on such a dog and pony show - only to sell it to
his neighbors Daniel Kaiser and Adam Moss who then subdivided their property-
made the barn part of their Property at 29 Miller hill rd to "save the barn from
Developers" and now look what Daniel Kaiser and Adam Moss are building on what 
was  the old barn address before the subdivision. They are too faced. Oh they
saved the barn allright. Now are develping in front of it- tore out a dune and
are in it only for the $$$$$$$$$$. That is it.And they had the nerve to say they
saved the barn from developers. They ARE developers. WOW. Some people do have
huge ego's .
3:22 pm edt 

People I Admire

You don't have to give your name but you should.  If you are accusing
a person of wrongdoing and are specific about their identity by citing their
address or occupation without necessarily using their name then you should have
the courage to sign your own name.  Roger Green and Rick Murray are two people
who have consistently signed their names to their posts here and I ADMIRE BOTH
FOR IT.

3:19 pm edt 

Re: Police Uniforms

I was reluctant to come back on here and speak on the issue of Police uniforms
but as long as I stick to the facts like I did about the tasers, the burden is
not on me or my concious. Regarding the Police uniforms, let's discuss the
basics:
(1) For those who do not like the current uniforms, please ask yourself "do I
have to clean them"...you answer should be a resounding "NO"...(If you are not a
police officer).
(2) Ask yourself "do I have to make sure they are free of cat hairs, dog hairs
and look wrinkle free"...your answer should be a resounding "NO...(If you are
not a police officer).
(3) Then take a look around as you travel up and down the Cape, and ask yourself
"If the PPD Officers are wearing a uniform the other depts are not
wearing"...your answer should be a resounding "NO"...
(4) If the men and women of the PPD all agree to wear the current uniform, then
ask yourself "why don't I support their decision"...they are not asking you to
wear them.
(5) I then want you to stop and think, how many times you have gone downtown and
seen certain individuals, year after year, wearing questionable clothing attire
? That's okay though but a police dept that is trying to look professional,
wether they appear to have a military style to them or not, is not okay ?

Because a certain individual or individuals think the uniforms make the officers
look intimidating, need to seriously find more reasons or better reasons because
people like myself and others are not buying your reason.
Until then, wether I stand alone or not, I will challenge the thought.

Roger Green

3:18 pm edt 

Something is Fishy About the Hawthorne Barn

Barn and Studio, not a living space year round for some guy who is so
questionable. It seems these "events" are only a cover so that this Praeger guy
can live there. It was a studio and in the national Registry that is what it is.
Not a place to live.

Who gave him permission to hold public events that cost at this residential area?
Was it Licensing? Or did he even go in front of any boards? does anyone know?
12:43 pm edt 

Re: Foreign Student Workers

Here they go again,cry me a river.

"I work 7 days at my business and only make enough $$$ to start over again..."


I started my own business from scratch,posted on the grand
Union bulletin board,worked hard,paid my employees over $20 a hour,and made
enough money to keep me happy. Happy not rich.
I have respect for people ,unlike some employers town .
10:52 am edt 

Re: Foreign Student Workers

To:Mr. Michael R. James,
U.S. State Department
Compliance Officer
Washington D.C>

The following e-mail was sent to the comliance officer at this e-mail address: 
jamesmr3@state.gov

Dear Mr. Michael R. James,

There are students arriving here in Provincetown who were sponsored by business
owners. These business owners are telling the students to find other jobs and to
come back in July. Is this how this program works? The word in Provicnetown is
that these students are expendable, use them for the heavy duty Memorial day
weekend and they lay them off for the month of june.

When you come here and interview students, I hope that you will interview them
at some other location rather than where they work where the employer can hear
all that is being said or surmise that anything negative that was said came from
the student that you are interviewing.

The abuses here are rampant--some students are given two time cards. Some are
forced to do very heavy lifting without the use any equipment to make the job
easier. I hope that you will come here and investigate. I would not want my
child to be treated this way and I will not stand by and see these foreign
students being treated this way. I also hope that you will look into the
situation of illegal workers in this town.

Sincerely
a concerned Provincetown citizen.
10:49 am edt 

Re: Hawthorne Barn - Fiasco Why Did it Happen?

"Re: Well, All Events Are Not Over

June 14th and the all amazing events that the Hawthorne Barn are over. what a
joke. Not a full season but a few events that give this Praeger guy the rights,
the ability to live there when it is and only should be the studio. Not a roon.
Not a condo. It was solely and lonely Charles Hawthorne's. This Praeger guy is
more than suspect. He is a phoney. He is not to be trusted but has found a way
to live there--when it was only a barn. Only a studio. what a joke. And now all
these "fabulous" events are over. So this questionable guy can now live there......"


How were these events allowed without a permit. Something is wrong when a
neighbor complains to the authorities and they are arrested.

The basis  for the sale of Hawthorne property was bogus  to say the least
and warrant an investigation as to how the property is to be publicly used in 
the future to avoid similar incidences.
8:54 am edt 

Re: Foreign Student Workers

Give me, I deserve, what's yours is mine. Most of the local businesses
are owned by people who took a chance with everything they owned, work 7 days a
week and just make enough money in the busy season to start it all over again
next year. So again I say shut the        and start your own business if you
don't like working for someone else.
8:39 am edt 

From: A Rat In The Basement

Can I ask you guys to reread my original post about the cops having
tasers? You will note that I did not express an opinion about if they should
have them or not. My point was that the Chief came before Town Meeting looking
for funding to buy them and the disscussion on the floor came to be one about
the Towns people were not concerned about the funding aspect, rather we came to
a consensus that we didn't want them at all. However at a later date the Chief
found a different source of funding and went right ahead and bought them
regardless of how the voting public felt about there use. To me that shows a
total disrespect for our feelings. And it certainly shows to me that the cops
don't care that they work for me and you and they will just do as they please.
Status Quo.

And now some of us are having a discussion about getting a new police uniform
that would be less intimadated and once again the police are just totally
disregarding our feelings on this matter.

Respect is a two way street officer and I think I would like you to respect our
feelings and at least consider why we would like a less intimidating uniform.

A Rat In The Basement
8:37 am edt 

Re: Tasers

The post that was written in response to Roger Greens original post
about Tasers was filled with disrespect.  So what that Mr. Green worked as a
janitor in the Police Department?  He has every right to share his opinion and
as someone who worked for years at the Provincetown Police Department I value
his opinion more than yours.   At least he had the courage to sign his post. 
The anonymous person who responded with disrespect was completely out of line
and the postmaster should have refrained from posting their      filled
response.  It would be nice if people acted more civil towards one another.
8:32 am edt 

Police Tasers

Thank you for the apology but in making whatever decision you wish to make about
our Officers carrying them, I just would like to add thoughts for you to ponder:
(1) To the best of my knowledge, there are "rare" uses of the tasers by this
dept and there definetely is no "abuse" in the use of such. If there was, maybe
I could understand why you are not in favor of our Officers in carrying them.
(2) One of the purposes our Officers are carrying them is, because it's an
alternative to the use of deadly force. Not only here but by any dept or any
Officer that carries them. Luckily the use of deadly force has not happened
here.
(3) When any Officer has to use them, certain commands are issued to the suspect
before the use of such is applied.
(4) It is also to my understanding, that when a Police Officer has to use it
against a violent person, a then situation that could cause severe injury to
that Officer (or an innocent bystander), is hopefully prevented.
(5) In this town we are lucky the crime rate is low and if this dept needs
things like tasers to help keep our crime rate low, then lets give it to them.
You don't send our Officers (or any Police Officer)to a gun fight with a knife.

Thank you for this opportunity to shed some light on this subject, I can now
only hope the need and the reason our Officers carry them makes better sense to
those who question it.

Roger Green

8:30 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

I know both Mr. Green and Meredith Lobur, if I had a wish, Mr. Green
should speak on behalf of the police anytime
1:11 am edt 

To: Roger Green

Dear Roger, I apologize for any disrespect you felt but I'm so tired
of the community voice being ignored. I believe the FinCom is the real BOS and
the current pretenders don't realize what got them there.
1:10 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

"The officers in town do not want to change their uniforms. Not some of
them, ALL of them! Why disrespect them and change things?"

Are you a police officer? If you were, then I could respect your opinion. If
not, then your opinion is no more validated than mine.

I am done with the back and forth of this conversation, but
I am sure you will
respond, don't worry though, your response will fall on deaf ears!!".


The leader of the armed forces of the USA is a civilian.  The leadership of the
police is the town manager.  The police department works for us, not the
opposite.  you are right about opinions,  yours and mine both count.
1:06 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

"And to answer your question of how police officers should look? Like
POLICE OFFICERS!!! My God, how hard is that for you to understand!!!!!"



But, what is that?  And who dictated what it is?  You have a preconceived notion
of the look of cops, that some others don't share, so what now?
1:02 am edt 

Sunday, June 8, 2014

Re: Foreign Student Workers

Business owner......

Typical business owner reply. Poor me,I don't make any $$$$$
During the first few weeks of June.

Please give us your full season income....
12:59 am edt 

Well, All Events Are Not Over

June 14th and the all amazing events that the Hawthorne Barn are over. what a
joke. Not a full season but a few events that give this Praeger guy the rights,
the ability to live there when it is and only should be the studio. Not a roon.
Not a condo. It was solely and lonely Charles Hawthorne's. This Praeger guy is
more than suspect. He is a phoney. He is not to be trusted but has found a way
to live there--when it was only a barn. Only a studio. what a joke. And now all
these "fabulous" events are over. So this questionable guy can now live there.

I am disgusted. This Praeger guy should be arrested for the forgeries and
pretenses.
12:58 am edt 

25 Miller Hill Road

These are the guys that "saved the barn" - Please
look at what they are building - talk about taking a chunk out of a dune. They
have to be the most two faced people. They say how much they hate develepors and
look what they are doing in front of the barn. They should just admit they ARE
developers. They take the cake.
12:56 am edt 

Re: 32 Bradford Street

Its bad!
There is a stick on sign on the door that says "The Pit"
Amazing what some people can get away with in this town.
There is another one like it on the end of Montello, how do these people get
away with this?
12:54 am edt 

The Virtuous Circle

YAHOO! THE COMMUNITY CENTER BECOMES FANCY DANCY HOUSING

I knew that it was only a matter of time before our powers that be search and
find buildings to create affordable housing.

The Virtuous Circle can now put all of their money together and start buying up
these properties and renovating them for us so we can move in and pay a cheap
rent.

I'm all for the Virtuous Circle--lets get that circle moving in a circle now.
Lets tap into the heavy pockets of these folks and get the building built for us
folks who live here.
12:43 am edt 

Such is Life in Provincetown

Re: "Please Province Landing is a joke there are illegal people living
there town workers living there ... The town complains about housing then kick
out half those people who should not be living there ..."



This has come up on this blog before and unfortunately it appears that nothing
is ever going to be done about it. Everyone knows there are people living there
who make boatloads of money under dubious circumstances (not naming names, but
ask around and you'll find out easily) but still qualify for affordable housing
because the small amount of legal income they actually report to the government.
These same people are living pretty lavish lifestyles in my opinion, flying
around the world and partying like rock stars. Just ask some of their neighbors
who are none too happy about it. But nobody wants to be the rat that "narcs" on
them so nothing ever gets done about it.

Such is life in Provincetown.
7:57 pm edt 

Re: Foreign Student Workers

I'm sorry but the comment about a foreign student being treated badly
does not ring true. As a business owner I know how difficult it is to make money
until the 3rd week of June. Enough with the handouts and leave business owners
the hell alone.
7:51 pm edt 

Re: 32 Bradford Street

The owner did not want to tear down the house.  He wanted to increase the height
of the second floor of the GARAGE to create living space. Historic denied the
application because they did not want all the buildings in Provincetown to be
the "same height" but have building of varying heights and sizes.  The
application had nothing to do with the main house.
7:41 pm edt 

Some of These VSB Grants Are Odd

The Year Rounders festival makes plenty of $ and they get free use of
the audihtorium.  They aren't hurting for $
7:37 pm edt 

Re: Police Tasers

Apparently someone seems offended about my support for the police to carry
tasers. You can target me and the position I held all you want, but I was in
prior years an auxiliary police officer for approx 12 years (a very involved one
at that), and wish back then we had tasers.

I am not going to lower myself to you but want to make it clear, the ones who
usually talk smack the most are the ones who were never a police officer and
have no idea what it's like to be one either.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I will try and respect yours(and
everyone else's as well). If it makes your day to disrespect mine (or the
position I held), that's fine but the bottom line to my feelings on this is, I
will do what it takes to support the police in carry such.

Roger Green
7:35 pm edt 

Re: Province Landing

Please province landing is a joke there are illegal people living
there town workers living there i. They can't afford rent but can afford pure
bred dogs really it's a joke.   The town complains about housing then kick out
half those people who should. Not be living there and give it to people who
really need it.
3:41 pm edt 

Some of These VSB Grants Are Odd

$132,000 to spend and they can't even give $500 or $1000 to the Year Rounders
Event that draws many people. for them to say, it is a local event and doesn't
draw tourists is more than ridiculous. Is there something wrong with sponsoring
townie events? Instead, they spend on rather ridiculous events from outsiders
that are as far away from townie interests. something like Men's Rubber event
gets money and even the Chamber gets $20,000 and PBG gets $20,000 and PAMM gets
$12,000 or more--but the Year Rounders Event gets nothing? why? something is
wrong and even more wrong: that the VSB is paying some Colorado agency $40,000
for PR? Isn't that why you pay a director of the VSB and an Assistant director
of the VSB? and then they pay some other agency $15,000 for graphics.

I hope some group takes a closer look at the expenditures of the VSB. It's off
in so many ways.
2:50 pm edt 

Re: 32 Bradford Street

If you think 32 Bradford Street is a blight on your neighborhood try
buy it and restore it.

If you think people are living there in spite of the property being condemned
report it to the department(s) at Town Hall with the authority to do something
about it.  Do it in person and put your name and face to the complaint.
2:48 pm edt 

Re: Response to Tasers

It sound like a jerk to attack the former janitor.  Coming from the
same person who is rude to everyone else's comments. Whether he mopped the floor
or not, I am sure he saw and heard a lot. You stranger are not the only one
allowed to have an opinion, you come across as a damn bully! Get over yourself!
2:45 pm edt 

Re: 32 Bradford Street

The owner wanted to tear the house down,not renovate!
This is a historic house,thats why the boards said no.
The owner was only thinking of his gain and no one else's
Obviously.
This person owns other properties in disrepair and packs them
With seasonal workers. He,s a townie and plays the game.
2:43 pm edt 

Re: 32 Bradford Street

Two or three years ago the owner of 32 Bradford was trying to remodel
or renovate. It was either Historic or the Planning board that did not allow the
plan for some reason. So there it sits. I personally think it is an incredible
property that should have been allowed to to what they asked or at least a
compromise should have been offered.
10:14 am edt 

Re: Response to Tasers

Roger Green?? Really?? The Taser must have really come in handy while
you were mopping the floor....just saying! Now were hearing from another so
called expert. If it's not bad enough listening to the drone of the Detective
expert, now we have to listen to the former janitor. Understand something...the
majority of people want a change and that's what the BOS need to understand.
Less threatening uniforms and remove the tasers and get back to getting out of
the police car for change. All officers should walk a beat. Not only would it
help with community policing but it might help some of them lose a little
weight. Aren't police officer suppose to be inshape?
10:12 am edt 

Re: Police Uniform Experiment

My takeaway from this is that anyone who is dressed like a cop, no matter what
color the uniform is, will be reconizable (?) and will command the proper
respect.

I also think that the current uniform looks paramilitary and the average
patrolman has no need to be dressed that way. That type of uniform should be
reserved for special units such as SWAT. And in that instance would signify to
citizens that this officer is something more than avarage and needs even more
cooperation. If every one of them is dressed that way it waters down the
effectiveness.

I think a blue shirt would be fine, isnt that what our State Police have?  But I
would like to see a white shirt such as the court officers wear. Its very clean,
very professional and I find it to be more approcable somehow, I guess a white
shirt says to me "Im here to help" instead of "Im here to kick your ass" like
the current unifom does.

A Rat In The Basement
9:47 am edt 

32 Bradford Street

I saw people in 32 Bradford St.!!
I thought it was condemned!
I cant believe there are people living in there, in such poor conditions.
Whoever owns that property should be ashamed, that is no way for anyone to live. 
why do we tolerate slumlords like that?
With all this talk of affordable housing and all that we have done as a town,
why are places like this tolerated? I live two blocks away and this place is a
blight on the neighborhood.
9:44 am edt 

Provincetown Police - BOS

The uniforms and Tasers display an aggressive approach and that is NOT
welcoming to our tourist industry! The Selectmen have the ability to make the
change so all of you arguing about this, why not just ask our elected officials
to do there job for a change. At least the FinCom chair has a set to bring
forward the tough questions and ideas. It's more than the BOS can say.
9:43 am edt 

Foreign Student Workers

UNFAIR TREATMENT OF STUDENTS MUST END  

Take action and contact the compliance officer listed below.

These students come half way around the world. Their sponsors are obligated to
give them work and not tell them that there is no work because it is slow.

If you know anyone who is reneging on their promise to provide work or making
their student worker do unreasonable work like being forced to move beer kegs by
hand without a dolly  etc-please contact Michael R. James compliance officer.
U.S. dept of state Bureau of
Educational and Cultural Affairs

Micahel R. James, Compliance Officer..Eca Ec Ecc Sa-5 C2 2200
C street N.W.
Washington dc..tele 202-632-3272
fax 202 632 2900
e-mail jamesmr3@state.gov
9:40 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

My god....the detective expert on uniforms is really starting to lose
it.....take a look at the rest of this country and realize there are other
uniform alternatives!  Big City' crime areas wear less threatening uniforms. Get
a hold of yourself      
9:37 am edt 

Response to Tasers

I don't understand why someone does not understand the need for our Officers to
carry tasers. Instead of 4 or 5 Police Officers having to fight with an
individual and risk getting hurt, tasers can be helpful in a situation like that
and prevent an injury.It's obvious someone or someones have never been in that
situation, otherwise they would not be making an issue of this.

So if someone starts a petition to have them removed, I will start a petition to
allow the officers to keep them.

Roger Green
9:35 am edt 

Provincetown Public Library

"The library is messed up."


And so are you, constantly posting this unsubstantiated drivel.
9:33 am edt 

Provincetown Public Library

"Please stop re-cycling the same tedious post about the past
leadership at the library. You didn't like CN and you're glad she is gone. We
get it. Move on already."


These posts crack me up. It's as though you think that only one person posts
about the library. There are at least five of us that I know of. It's obvious
that you do not agree with us, but that's not enough to make us move on.

We are happy. There is hope! The Liberary Director has left the state (wheee!). Old
trustee Mick Rudd is finally off the board (yes, we know. He is a wonderful
soft-spoken person, but he is ineffective. Library problems have languished for
years under his watch. Be careful of soft-spoken people, within the softness is
often passive aggresiveness.)  Old trustee Lynn Kratz is around for another
year, and that's VERY unfortunate (she is ineffective at best). But there are
three new trustees who we are very hopeful will take us to a new place.  And we
need a real librarian, not just someone who is willing to do it; it's a real
job.
9:31 am edt 

Friday, June 6, 2014

Re: Provincetown Public Library

The library is messed up.  It's been messed up for years.  Rumor has
it another trustee has resigned.  The only constants during this time are the
part-time library workers and the chair of the trustees.
3:34 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police - Uniforms

In an experiment to test citizen behavior, a male researcher randomly
approached pedestrians and gave them one of three orders: to pick up a paper bag
littering the sidewalk, to give a dime to another passerby, or to step back from
a bus stop. During the course of the experiment, the researcher wore either
ordinary casual clothing, milk delivery apparel or a gray police-style uniform
with a badge but no weapons. Only when the researcher wore the police-style
uniform did people consistently cooperate and obey the order. In fact, their
obedience continued even after he walked around the corner, not staying to
observe or enforce compliance.

In another study, a female researcher alternately dressed in business attire,
casual clothes or a police-style uniform and told passersby to give change to a
person who was parked at an expired meter. Again, the rate of compliance among
both men and women was highest when she was dressed in a uniform.

And in a third research project, when an individual wearing a police-style
uniform stood on a sidewalk near a corner, drivers committed fewer turn
violations at that intersection. This occurred even though the uniform did not
represent a real police department in the area and the man did not display a
badge or weapon.

The irrefutable conclusion of all three research projects is that the police
uniform is one of the most immediate, important visual representations of the
law enforcement professional, instantly signaling authority and official status
and inspiring people to respond accordingly.

The important thing is the visibility, the identification that you are the
authority figure, says Frank Dimaria, Chicago Police Officer and second vice
president of the Chicago Fraternal Order of Police. People will expect you to
take charge no matter what the situation is.

3:30 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

"Yes, anyone who kept an eye on the resignations would surmise
something was wrong."



Please stop re-cycling the same tedious post about the past leadership at the
library. You didn't like CN and you're glad she is gone. We get it. Move on
already.
3:26 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

"We are not immune from dangerous people, we are not immune from hate
crimes. God forbid if that ever happens, I would want my police force to know how to deal
with the situation and definitely look the part."

I have to agree with this statement. Although I may have my own opinion, this is
the reality of the world we live in. let the cops be cops, thats what they are
hired to do.
3:24 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

I think the paramilitary police uniforms look conceptual accessorizing
the rules festooned trash barrels. We sure know how to welcome our guests.
3:22 pm edt 

Re: Province Landing

Wow, I did not realize how much some people pay for there apts at
Province Landings. Thanks for the input.
3:20 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

"Ok, so you are the community, not all the others that live here, and
you get to call the shots because you firmly believe that anyone that has a different idea
is stupid."


Oh boy, now you are getting redundant. It was YOU that TOLD ME that the
community gets to decide. Not me. I replied that I am a part of the community as
well, am I allowed to have a voice? According to you, I am not.

I never said I was the only one with an opinion, YOU DID. Wow, I wonder how you
read things and interpret them to how YOU want to understand them. LOL

And to answer your question of how police officers should look? Like POLICE
OFFICERS!!! My God, how hard is that for you to understand!!!!!

"I hope that you realize the illogical nature of what you are saying"  No I hope
YOU REALIZE HOW ILLOGICAL YOU SOUND!

I can not believe the "pitch fork" "mob mentality" that you and others have.  If
its not your way, its the highway.
Get over yourself. You do not impress me at all with your suggestions, and the
whole intimidation equations.

This is not Mayberry, you fool! This is reality! I AGAIN, hope someday you do
not need the police and hope you can recognize them.

The officers in town do not want to change their uniforms. Not some of them, ALL
of them! Why disrespect them and change things?

Are you a police officer? If you were, then I could respect your opinion. If
not, then your opinion is no more validated than mine.

I am done with the back and forth of this conversation, but I am sure you will
respond, don't worry though, your response will fall on deaf ears!!
3:17 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

I really hated the idea of tasers (and still hate the prospect of
their abuse) but I am pretty sure they prevent injuries to officers and also to
people they are used to subdue.  Reducing injuries can't be a bad thing and not
technology is perfect.
2:19 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

I agree with getting rid of the Tasers. Seriously, Jaran is gone and
so should the Tasers. Seriously like they really need them here in Mayberry
1:54 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

"Did you read the letter from Meredith Lobur? "Necessary to he highly
visible and recognizable." "Significant deterrent to crime." "Written from
behalf of the entire men and women of the Provincetown Police Department."



I agree, but I am not so sure that there is real proof about the significant
deterrent to crime part. However, did you read anything about WHAT the uniform
has to be?  No you didn't because it wasn't there.  A uniform that is distinct
and recognizable and visible does not have to be all dark with a "fifty mission"
military style hat. It does not have to be a fashion show either.  It has to be
recognizable, visible and distinct.  It needs to say I am a cop that is here to
help keep the community safe, but there is no need to look threatening or
militaristic.
10:15 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

"But what I seem to get from people is that they do not want them to
"look" like police officers."



Ok, so you are the community, not all the others that live here, and you get to
call the shots because you firmly believe that anyone that has a different idea
is stupid.  Ok, then.  But what I seem to get from people is that
they do not want them to "look" like police officers.
Now, that we have established your credentials as having the only opinion that
counts, maybe you can tell us what exactly police officers SHOULD look like.  I
don't think that yu believe that the look was handed down along with the ten
commandments.  I hope that you will concede that the look is what was defined by
some communities along the way.

How many cops would we need to keep us all safe on carnival parade day?  How
would they screen for weapons or those that would cause harm to others?  If some
nut wants to cause mayhem in town no cop looking like darth vader will stop him
until the harm was done.  Helmets and visors and all kinds of guns won't keep a
backpack from exploding.  Our cops don't need to look threatening to do their
jobs.  intimidation of the general public has never stopped real bad people from
doing real bad things.

Is it possible to be well trained in keeping us safe without looking like a SWAT
team member?  Are undercover cops wearing plain clothes not well trained?  Are
they ineffective?

I hope that you realize the illogical nature of what you are saying.  Please
note that no one has called you stupid. Some do not agree with you.
10:12 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

Where is Barbara Rushmore? If anyone get a petition for such a worthy
cause, it's her!
10:09 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

I agree with the "rat in the basement", let's start a petition signed
by all of us now that Lynn and Jaran are gone, to remove the tasers from the
belts of our police officers and for requiring a reasonable looking uniform we
can ALL except. Since when does that                             become an expert in
uniforms! All is I remember is her                   portrayal of an "anal rape"
discussion when she decided that was her reasoning to legitimize the need for a
new police station. Please, if she doing the talking for the police department,
we are all in trouble.
10:06 am edt 

31 Point Street

Last month I watched the planning board being
super critical over someone expanding a deck and "disturbing the dune'  and
installing one footing... but yet the planning board and conservation board sit
blindly as they excavate the entire side of a dune on Point Street?   hmmmmm
10:00 am edt 

Friday, June 6, 2014

Library

Yes, anyone who kept an eye on the resignations would surmise something was
wrong.  CN was a very unhappy person, made life miserable for the people that
worked there (as it was for her, of her own making) and didn't really do much
except make things cushy for the visitors and non-residents and to H with the
locals, who she disrespected (with the exception of one hire).

I hope she finds a better fit somewhere else.  I really do, I am just glad she
is gone, gone, gone.
12:46 am edt 

Re: Controlled Building

"The standard can be what the community demands that
it be, not you. How do people get to recognize a cop?  Over time."



Another ridiculous statement.  I live here, I AM a part of the community. So
does my opinion not count? Because that is what you are suggesting. "People need
to recognize a cop over time"?? Seriously??  What a sad day it is for the police
here that risk there lives to read such a stupid comment. Do you think that the
people that do not live here who come for the day are going to be able to
recognize them over time? Just plain stupid.

As far as looking like "Swat" I would rather the police in my community know how
to handle a horrible situation, than not.  If any feels intimated, then that is
on them. The police are always smiling and in my opinion, if I am allowed to
have one, do a great job.

Summer uniforms are usually a part of any uniform when the weather is warm.
Shorts are not a problem. I get that. But what I seem to get from people is that
they do not want them to "look" like police officers.

God forbid if anything were to seriously happen in this tiny town, where
thousands upon thousands of people who visit here, who a lot of us do not know,
and are planning to do harm, I absolutely would want our officers to STAND OUT,
and look like the Police and hope that it does indeed DETER people from harming
us.

We are one of the largest gay and lesbian destinations in the country. This
place, esp carnival day, when close to 50,000 people are here, would be perfect
for some psycho to do harm to us.

We are not immune from dangerous people, we are not immune from hate crimes. God
forbid if that ever happens, I would want my police force to know how to deal
with the situation and definitely look the part.

Did you read the letter from Meredith Lobur? "Necessary to he highly visible and
recognizable." "Significant deterrent to crime." "Written from behalf of the
entire men and women of the Provincetown Police Department."

If they are comfortable with their uniforms, who the heck are you to say
otherwise? What because you feel that they work for you? That you feel the need
to "demand" what they wear? Have you ever risked your life the way these men and
women have? Well let me tell you this, I hope someday you realize that this
isn't a fashion show, this is real life. And someday if you ever need help from
a officer, hopefully you would be able to "recognize" them.
12:43 am edt 

Provincetown Police

Heres something else to chew on. Several years ago the Police Chief, 

l honestly dont remember if it was Jaren or Myers wanted the Town to pay to
supply all of Provincetown policemen with Tasers. This idea was brought to Town
Meeting as it would require spending our money. The police played them up as the
greatest thing since sliced bread. The towns people had a very differant
opinion. No one was in favor of bringing these horific torture devices to town.
And the idea was resoundingly voted down. But , lo and behold, just a few years
later under the reign of Lynn and Jaron these murderous wepons showed up on the
hip of every officer in town. Without even one question being  asked of us if we
would like to have the opportunity to change our minds. When I get the right
oppertounity to plant a seed in someones head about this I will. And I would
also like this post to start a disscussion on this matter.

A Rat In The Basement
12:34 am edt 

Re: Response to Police Uniforms

"The idea of cops wearing polo shirts is absurd. They
do not work at Target, Walmart or any of the many establishments here in
Provincetown where the polo shirt is the required uniform. How are people
supposed to identify them if they are not wearing the STANDARD ISSUED UNIFORM?
How can children who are told to go to a officer to get help if they are lost or
in danger or a tourist receive help if the officers are walking around looking
like something other than a police officer??? Will the next asinine idea be
shorts and flip flops? Seriously, there are way !"



Ok, where is it written that a police officer has to comply with your idea of
"standard issued uniform"  The standard can be what the community demands that
it be, not you. How do people get to recognize a cop?  Over time.  Cops all over
the country have different uniforms both summer and winter.  Soldiers have
different uniforms summer and winter dress and combat.  If our cop wore a
uniform that had distinguishing features they would be recognized as such.  A
distinctive hat with a badge on it.  A distinctive shirt with a badge on it. 
Long pants or shorts  that were practical and comfortable.  Any and all of these
things can go together to produce a uniform that does not suggest a S.W.A.T.
team or  para-military force.  Our police are not hear to intimidate us and make
us fear their very presence.  They are here to serve us and help preserve law
and order in respectful and efficient manner.

I agree with no flip flops.  They are not proper for the duties of an officer,
but shorts?  Why not?
3:33 pm edt 

Re: BOS Executive Session

"A new executive session was posted for this Monday to discuss a
number of issues behind closed doors. I see that they will be discussing the
sale of our buildings and I asked them to remember what town meeting voted for?!
Town meeting spoke and the BOS need to comply to the wishes of our residents.
Also, I see they continue to discuss the Jaran appeal."



Was the town meeting vote legally binding, or just advisory?  Can the BOS
legally direct the properties to be sold?

I hope that the BOS continues to discuss the Jaran situation as long as it is
still pending.  To ignore it simply to "put it behind us" would be the worst
kind of folly.

Using critical thinking and thinking things through is ok, you know.  Knee jerk
reactions to things is not a great way to run a town.  Confusing "like to have"
with "legally need to have" is never acceptable.
3:29 pm edt 

Dunes, Victors and Point Street......
 
Is there a report done by the conservation or building dept.
Requarding land that is in question ?  Is the conservation
Person qualified to make these decisions? Are abutters and the
Public notified? This should all take place before the sale or
Bulldozing of land.

?
3:27 pm edt 

Re: Controlled Building

"It is up to our boards to make certain dunes are not leveled, up to
conservation but they hardly have done their due diligence here."



Most people hate to see development of open space.  However, what law has been
broken?  Please cite chapter and verse.  Just because you don't like it does not
make it illegal.  Is there really a law that says that dunes can't be altered? 
Please point it out.
3:25 pm edt 

BOS Executive Session

A new executive session was posted for this Monday to discuss a number
of issues behind closed doors. I see that they will be discussing the sale of
our buildings and I asked them to remember what town meeting voted for?! Town
meeting spoke and the BOS need to comply to the wishes of our residents. Also, I
see they continue to discuss the Jaran appeal. can I just say as many people in
town feel, can we just  put this to rest and move on!this should have been
settled long ago as it's in the best interest in the town and our police
department to do so. I believe it was Mary Jo Avellar that spoke to this at
public statements time because she's hearing this from many others. Let's do
what we need to do and move on so we can finally start a new.
12:51 pm edt 

Bravo FinCom!

I recently saw the last taped FinCom meeting and applaud Mr. Walker
for holding true to his belief as well the entire board to ask that the
Board of Selectmen go out to bid for town counsel.

Everyone is in agreement that there needs to be change and break this
cycle of high legal costs and start a new. It was interesting when he concluded
that it is improper that the same law firm has been in place far too long.

Bravo!
12:07 pm edt 

And So It Begins

REHOBOTH BEACH  In Rehoboth Beach, the sight of Mel Craig in his red ball cap
and pickup truck is almost as familiar as the Dolles sign.

Craig, the citys longtime public works director, is set to step down
11:34 am edt 

Controlled Building

We Don't Have to Purchase all the empty Lots to Demand Controlled
building

It is up to our boards to make certain dunes are not leveled, up to conservation
but they hardly have done their due diligence here. the Victor's land is a
disaster and conservation committee should never have let that happen. Same on
Bangs Street where high elevation and dunes were treated like an anthill and a
pile of dirt. what is a dune for some becomes an anthill for others. It is this
unfair treatment that is such a big problem here. We should all be treated the
same and all dunes should be viewed and treated as dunes and not leveled and
then paved over.
10:36 am edt 

Sell the Recreational Center

Does my vote at town meeting not count?  What the hell BOS, sell the
damn rec center.
10:32 am edt 

Province Landing

I have wanted to comment on this subject for a while now, so here goes.  For the
people that are writing how cheap it is, and shouldn't complain because they
have a place to live, well let me say something, because I live here.  I pay
almost a thousand dollars a month for a 2 bedroom. The only thing that is
included in the rent is water. Electric bill is close to 80 or 90 dollars a
month, and of course in the summer with a window AC, much much more.  The
propane bill in the winter is close to 125 to 145 dollars, esp because the doors
that were installed are so horrible and drafty that the wind just blows on in
and some apartments have snow and ice that actually accumulate inside the
apartment. (I do not turn the heat on upstairs as I cannot afford it, and the
downstairs thermostat is usually on 69 in the winter, yes we freeze.)

Because there is virtually no cell reception here, I had to get a landline. So
that is another bill of about 50 dollars a month. Every person that moved in was
told that there would be free WIFI. That is not true. 2 buildings have WIFI, and
I do not live in either of them. So I have to pay for internet, where as other
tenants do not. (Not fair) So there goes another 60 dollars.

The walls are very thin. I know that I was told everything was up to code, but
when you can hear your neighbor(s) use the bathroom, cough, talk on the phone,
sneeze and you can only imagine what else, it can be aggravating.

The children were promised a proper play area, but never received one. So now
people are complaining of the constant screaming and noise as the children play
right next to their bedroom windows. (As they have every right to complain)

Then you have the "nosy" neighbors who have nothing better to do with their time
or lives for that matter than to gossip, back stab, leave nasty letters on
peoples cars and just be out right rude.

And lets not forget that the police are here ALL the time. Neighbors calling
police on neighbors, neighbors calling police about the people who are in the
designated smoking area making too much noise in the middle of the afternoon.
Neighbors arguing with other neighbors, neighbors assaulting other neighbors.
Bikes being stolen, children's bikes being "ticketed" because they were not
properly put back where they belong. Dogs constantly barking at all hours of the
day and night. The list goes on and on and on.
I even left out the wonderful management team. Having trouble paying your rent
on time? Don't worry they will help you by putting a eviction notice on your
door. (As multiple people that live here have told me)

But I guess no one can complain because they have a "roof" over their heads.
I am extremely grateful/blessed to have a place to live but I think to say you
cant complain when there are horrible situations where it is Ok to complain is
just plain silly.

Did I mention that I pay close to 1400 dollars to live here?
10:31 am edt 

Re: Response to Police Uniforms

I don't understand some of the mentality of the comments regarding the
police uniforms.  It's as if people are forgetting that they are POLICE.  They
went to the Police Academy to become police officers, to protect and serve. The
whole point of having a uniform is so people can identify them and of course to
be able to carry all of the things that police officers carry, ie, handcuffs,
flashlights, and yes, GUNS. The idea of cops wearing polo shirts is absurd. They
do not work at Target, Walmart or any of the many establishments here in
Provincetown where the polo shirt is the required uniform. How are people
supposed to identify them if they are not wearing the STANDARD ISSUED UNIFORM?
How can children who are told to go to a officer to get help if they are lost or
in danger or a tourist receive help if the officers are walking around looking
like something other than a police officer??? Will the next asinine idea be
shorts and flip flops? Seriously, there are way !
more important things that this town needs to focus on.
10:29 am edt 

Re: Response to Police Uniforms

There should be a kind of reverence & respect for Police Officers!
they should not dress like Jane & Joe Doe on vacation! Police work is a highly
unpopular job! Their uniform should clearly differentiate their serious duties
that command respect & not look like Boy Scouts! Those youth groups are
commendable, but duties of Police Officers are vastly different & their uniform
attire should reflect that!
10:26 am edt 

Wednesday, June 4, 2014

Re: Response to Police Uniforms

I Too would Want Less Militarized Police Uniforms

We came too close to a militarized police presence and state here. Sharon Lynn
was herself a police chief and then we had the Jeff Jaran. together they
dangerously built a police presence, a SWAT like pier presence, guns, toughness,
black uniforms, attack when in doubt. this we do not need here.

and I too support a more low key dress. I welcome this and support Acting Chief
golden in his attempt to reflect what many in this community now want.
9:57 pm edt 

Re: Response to Police Uniforms

You are such an     

I don't use that term lightly but to attack those who would want less Swat like
uniforms and tell them to move shows your internal problems- You're nuts and
intolerant and are part of the problem with the police state we had with Jeff
Jaran. It makes sense to have uniforms that symbolize community involvemens, as
we had with community police before and those who used to ride bicycles. They
didn't need guns upon guns and battle gear to ride the streets. that is what
some of us want. You are a     -              .
9:55 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Public Library

Rumor is that the Library Director was paid 65K. Some say she was paid
because she threatened to sue the town because she was abused by the board if
trustees and some say she was paid just to leave.  Wouldn't that be public info?  
If the trustees story is true it would be a miracle--it would be the most work
that board has ever accomplished.  All the people that Cheryl abused should sue
the town. I'm just so relieved that she's gone I don't care.
9:50 pm edt 

Re: Response to Police Uniforms

Q&A to those attempting to cloak themselves in tradition:

1. How many decades did Provincetown Police wear light blue non swat uniforms.

Answer = 6 (60 years)

2.  How many decades have we had swat uniforms

Answer = .6 (6 years)

Get a life or at least some debate skills.
9:47 pm edt 

Re: Point Street....

Yes, the settlers built on Provincetown,but they also killed
The humpbacks to near extiction ,after years the humpbacks are
Coming back due to education of humans. Maybe ptown could try
That approach?
7:44 pm edt 

Re: Oh, I Think We Know the Laws

The $64,000 question - which Board ?
7:05 pm edt 

Re: Response to Police Uniforms

"My answer to the ones who don't like the current uniforms is "move."


And my advice to you after the uniforms are changed to something that is much
less SWAT team and military, is to "move".  You denigrate those who would like
to see a change by saying nasties, but you took the time to get into the debate, 
What does that say about you?  Don't you have better things to do besides crap
on people with different opinions?
4:40 pm edt 

Dr. O'Roarke at Outer Cape?

"Anyone know what happened to Dr O'Roarke at outer cape? He's gone and
was a dedicated doctor that specialized in bone - sports issues."
   

I am so saddened to hear this. I went all over and no one could help me with my
partially torn ligament in my foot. I went months in pain. Went to see Dr,
O'Rourke and he promised me he would get me back to work. 2 months later i was
back to work and never a pain since. That was 3 years ago. This is a great loss
for our community and outer cape . Does anyone knwo why  he is no longer there?
4:38 pm edt 

Re: Serenity

Wow!! Talk about intolerance. If you realy wanted to follow through
with this, you would have committed suicide since we ALL do some or all of those
HUMAN things which can be annoying to others.  I love the bit about castrating. 
Only males allow dogs to poop on the side walk.  I hope that you dont get
targeted by someone who hates sexists.
4:36 pm edt 

Re: 160-164 Commercial Street

"Please get your facts straight. The property you are referring to is
160,162 and 164 BRADFORD ST. EXTENSION, across from Victor's, on the corner of West Vine.
160 Commercial was Reggie Cabral's home
."
10:36 pm edt   

THE POSTER ADMITTED HE MADE A MISTAKE - does not negate the
content or facts.
4:33 pm edt 

Re: Point Street

"if you are so concerned about Point Street. Why didn't you
purchase the lot. Don't tell me what to do on my own property"

Wow arent;t you something. I say your response could have been a bit more
amicable. I say you just invited 20-30 site visits by the privincetown people.

Btw- they have every right to drive down point street and check out what you
are doing. HMMM you could take some lessons in harmony.
4:30 pm edt 

Serenity

God please grant me the serenity not to

1. Scream my lungs out at people too stupid to use crosswalks
2. Flip off the ignorant tourist drivers who stop without signalling.
3. Rip the pretentious idiot in the BMW who can't seem to read signs.
4. Shoot the morons that drive 10mph in a 25 zone.
5. Strangle the bicyclist that does not have enough common sense to
    Follow road signs and rules.
6. Castrate the people that let their dogs poop on the sidewalk.
7. Hang the people that throw trash on the streets.

I know it is only June Lord, but it is starting  already. Please God in your
wisdom bestow some common sense on these people before someone gets hurt
3:35 pm edt 

Response to Police Uniforms

I don't understand or know who is on this kick to try and get the Police
Uniforms changed but you seriously need to find yourself a hobby. All Depts from
Here to timbuktu are the same as this dept wears. Back when this dept was
wearing pants with the white stripe down the sides created comments like "you
guys look more like your in a band than a police dept".

I strongly urge and hope the Police Union fights any attempts to change the
uniforms. This has got to be the most ridiculous town,that out of all the things
to worry about, the police uniforms are an issue. I will campaign strongly to
support the Police to leave the uniforms just the way they are. The people in
this town have way too much say when it comes to the Police Dept. My answer to
the ones who don't like the current uniforms is "move". Or when someone breaks
into your house or store and is attempting to rob you "call a friend" because
when the Police show up, we wouldn't want you scared twice.
3:32 pm edt 

Re: Point Street....

"The reaction by the poster is exactly how ptown has changed.
$$$$."


The first European settlers in PT built on dunes.  They bought and sold all over
the area and money changed hands. At one time every inch was sand dune.  So, for
a few hundred years people have been making money buying,selling and developing
here.  It is not new and nothing has changed. It is simply a continuation of the
history with one difference, you are here to witness the ongoing evolution of
PTown. I'm quite sure that prior residents having been saying what you said
since the second building was erected.
3:28 pm edt 

Re: Point Street....

The reaction by the poster is exactly how ptown has changed.
$$$$.
11:39 am edt 

Tuesday, June 3, 2014

Dr. O'Roarke at Outer Cape?

Anyone know what happened to Dr O'Roarke at outer cape? He's gone and
was a dedicated doctor that specialized in bone - sports issues. Now there's no
one to fill his shoes.
11:38 pm edt 

Re: Point Street

If you are so concerned about Point Street. Why didn't you
purchase the lot. Don't tell me what to do on my own property
10:41 pm edt 

Police Uniforms

I would Like a summer Uniform for the Police that is Welcoming and not
Threatening

the clothes and the role go together and reinforce certain attitudes. I'd like
clothing that symbolize community policing and not Swat teams. I would prefer
this choice and wish the union had agreed with Golden's decision. We do not need
police dressed and ready for attack. we need police who see themselves as part
of the community and whose clothing reinforces their relationship to us. This is
especially important as new people come into the force and also important for
the summer police.
10:39 pm edt 

Oh, I Think We Know the Laws

It is the "interpretation" of these laws that is the problem, the idiosyncratic
reading of the laws, good for some, bad for others. It is the way the laws are
being used and the unfair practices stemming from the downstairs of town hall.
Russell is finally gone and that is good. but there are others and certain
boards that march to their own and their special friends' drums!
10:38 pm edt 

Re: 160-164 Commercial Street

Please get your facts straight. The property you are referring to is 160,162 and
164 BRADFORD ST. EXTENSION, across from Victor's, on the corner of West Vine.
160 Commercial was Reggie Cabral's home.
10:36 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

160 Commercial is Reggie Cabrals old house.

160-164 BRADFORD is across from Victors.
10:35 pm edt 

My Personal Observations

Town Planner- Gloria- I believe it is time to give this gifted
intelligent young lady a shout out for her performance. I am a builder who has
been in town since 2009. Whenever i approached the building dept all i received
where is Russ "russ is not available, russ is in a meeting, russ is busy.. Not
anything i have experienced as a builder in the state I came from. Now i go to
the building dept, is Gloria avail.? Absolutely. Questions asked .Questiones
answered . Plain and simple. She is an asset. Please. let us all give this
talented intelligent young lady a chance . I for one will back her up no matter
what. - as far as Russell Braun- so elated he is gone. He was from the "good ole
boys club". And Anne= Not sure . I hope she is not here to take  on where
Russell has "left behind". Unfortunately, myself and a few others are beginning
to feel that way. Word to the wise Anne= keep your job professional and never
pander to the few. I promise you this will no long!
er be tolerated in this town. We just got rid of the worst. I hope you do not
think you have learnt your business ways through him. If you make that mistake
shame on you.
10:34 pm edt 

Town Boards

Which town board has cost us $65,000 to settle a lawsuit from an
employee due to the board being out of control ?   When are the Selectman
going to control the Boards
10:31 pm edt 

Responding to a May 18 Post

On Saturday April 13 at 12:24 AM (maybe after a few pops at the club) someone
posted the following:

"You can try to spin this in any way you want but the town clerk will NOT swear
him in with this finding. If Mr Hoort wants to contest this reading in court he
can."


The post wasn't signed but it certainly sounds like Dieter. Although, it is
quite a bit shorter than his usually ponderous tomes.  In any case I don't
recall seeing anyone other than Dieter post about the Hoort issue here.  If that
wasn't a Dieter post then I stand corrected.

------

Nope.  It wasn't me.  But thanks for asking.

-- Dieter Groll
10:30 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look

I'm assuming you mean 170 Bradford, rather than 160-164 Commercial?
10:27 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

"Really??  What about 160-164 commercial st. This entire plot of land was
bulldozed before ANY permits were granted. Now there is one building in with
2 more on the way.

What was the orignal topograpgy compared to now? The original topography maps
arearound.

I did not know one could just LEVEL OFF a plot of land without any permits etc.
all three lots were leveled."

9:57 am edt   Meant 160-164 BRADFORD ST. EXT
10:26 pm edt 

Bulldoze All You Want Ptown....

When I tell people where I used toLive....
They all have the same comment.....Boy has it changed
and not for the better.
10:23 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

Agree - Victor gets whatever he wants. He was granted if my knowledge
serves me correctly 33 seats yet admitted in a public hearing to having 55. No
consequences. Victor purchasted 160-164 Bradford st ext.- leveled the property
prior to ANY permits. Leveled the entire 3 LOTS. Poster was correct- if one
looks at original topo on 162 and plans for 2nd building It is clear the earth
removal IS in excess of 750 cubic ft. and if not I would love to see how the
calcs are manipulated.
10:18 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

"Victor's. these were old dunes treated by Conservation and Community
Development as not dunes. So they are leveled and now we have this stretch of land,
bulldozed into parking spaces and of course more houses.

It is a shame and yet if someone else wants to build a house, oh, no! They can't.
They are told they can't move a few buckets of sand. this is totally unfair, illegal, and
privileged
for some and hardaches for others. This is no way to run a department
or a town."


Totally agree and agree that is what original address poster meant to post.
10:17 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

160 Commercial St.  

I believe the poster meant 160-164 Bradford st
Ext. and i also believe the poster is correct about this. Did this site ever go
before site plan review for removal of over 750 cubic yds of earth- 162 bradford
st Ext isdefinitely in violation of that bylaw.
10:02 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

"They are told they can't move a few buckets of sand. this is totally
unfair, illegal, and privileged for some and hardaches for others. This is no
way to run a department or a town."



Since we are a nation, state and town of laws, it is not opinion on what is fair
or unfair, privilege or whatever.  It is the law as created by town meeting that
governs our land use.  If the law is against moving a few buckets of sand, and
you don't like it, get the law changed.  If some are not being held to the law,
then cite the law and name names to the town, attorney general, or get some like
minded people to sue for damages.  Whining here will get you nowhere.

Just because you don't know the rules doesn't mean that those that do understand
them, are being treated with deference.
1:52 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

160-164 commercial st.  ????????????????????
1:07 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

"Is this conservation????? Ptown,get a new conservation and
A good building commissioner. If I see sand,it looks like a dune To me."


Maybe, maybe not.  Can you get a copy of the ConCom bylaws and show us the
relevant part about dunes?  Remember all of PT is built on sand.  Every inch. 
No building on sand, no building in PT.
1:05 pm edt 

160 Commercial Street

What are you talking about 160 commercial was built in the 1800's? But
don't blame the owners or builders. If the town leaves property on the tax rolls
as buildable and collects money then that is the problem as well as zoning that
perhaps should have been changed years ago but then the original owners did not
want zoning to ,they wanted freedom to make money on their properties
1:03 pm edt 

It is Always Sad When a Great Poet Dies

Then there is silence. Then there are no more words. Then only the loneliness of
the night and the quietness of the early morning sea resounds. so we return to
the words that once had been written and in these words, wisdom.
1:01 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

What land or building was at 160-164 Commercial?

I just can't picture the house or site. Can you be more specific. And what house
is being altered on Point Street? Yes, these are dunes and high elevation.
Obviously, there is no control here. Just look at the once dunes across from
Victor's. these were old dunes treated by Conservation and Community Development
as not dunes. So they are leveled and now we have this stretch of land,
bulldozed into parking spaces and of course more houses. It is a shame and yet
if someone else wants to build a house, oh, no! They can't. They are told they
can't move a few buckets of sand. this is totally unfair, illegal, and
privileged for some and hardaches for others. This is no way to run a department
or a town.
12:59 pm edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

Really??  What about 160-164 commercial st. This entire plot of land was bulldozed
before ANY permits were granted. Now there is one building in with 2 more on the way.
What was the orignal topograpgy compared to now? The original topography maps are
around.

I did not know one could just LEVEL OFF a plot of land without any permits etc. all three
lots were leveled.
9:57 am edt 

Re: Better Take a Good Look!

Point street.....

This is the second time they have dug into a dune on point street.
The house on the left after the pool on the street was dug into
And the dune kept falling into the foundation. They had to put
Giant steel plates into the ground to hold it back finally.

Is this conservation????? Ptown,get a new conservation and
A good building commissioner. If I see sand,it looks like a dune
To me.
9:07 am edt 

Monday, June 2, 2014

Re: Provincown Board of Selectmen

"CEC is meaningless as they've proven."


Most towns do not have a CEC, but all have the attorney general.  Please state
your case here so we can get some comments.  Give facts, not opinions.  State
the exact wording of the article passed that the BOS illegally ignored.  That
can be the start of a logical, reasonable debate. Spare us the emotional
factless BS
10:40 pm edt 

Re: "I am Not Whining on This Anonymous Blog ,You Nasty Irritant."

Ok, I'm sorry.  Maybe whining was not quite accurate.  How about          Does
that fit?  Why not post that you  complained but were ignored , or whatever. 
No, you would rather act like this place is your first response to the evils of
town government.  How about the attorney general.  How about getting your like
minded friends to sue?  Stop complaining and do something that will follow your
complaint to some closure.
10:38 pm edt 

Better Take a Good Look!

Hey Town Planner and Planning Board take a look at what              is
doing at 31 Point Street...outrageous!   She is excavating the entire side of
the large dune to build a house. Better take a good look!
10:35 pm edt 

Parking

I heard that the Parking Administrator resigned.  Is this true?  If
so, hooray!
10:33 pm edt 

Re: Provincown Board of Selectmen

I am not whining on this anonymous blog ,you nasty irritant. I have
spoken to the BOS about this. How dare you assume that I don't have the common
sense to bring this to the public's attention and not pursue the matter further.
6:16 pm edt 

Re: Provincown Board of Selectmen

Yes, you're right.  By all means, let's report the BOS to the Charter
Enforcement Commission.  Then Julia Perry can explain why what they did was
completely wrong in one document and talk about how happy she is to work with
them in another.

CEC is meaningless as they've proven.
6:13 pm edt 

Re: Provincwtown Police

No wonder Jaran Made Chovenac head of the Pier patrol

when he had little if any marine experience. He lack the skills needed for this
position and thanks for letting me know that he and Jaran were friends and
worked together in New Hampshire. I saw that Chovenac sold his condominium so I
believe he is leaving. Good. clean house.
12:33 pm edt 

Provincown Board of Selectmen

"If the BOS does not respect town meeting votes the we have lost our
democracy."


There is more to it than that.  If, indeed, the BOS has done something illegal,
against the Charter or other laws and regulations, then it is your duty to
report it, not hide your whining behind an anonymous blog.
12:31 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

"Someone keeps saying Chovanec has resigned and yet I keep seeing him
on duty.  .  ."



Have you ever heard of someone giving notice?
8:34 am edt 

Sunday, June 1, 2014

Provincetown Award

If there were a municipal award for 'appearance of impropriety,'
Provincetown would be a strong contender!
7:28 pm edt 

Re: Palacino vs. Town of Provincetown

Jim is smart enough to know the selectmen had no choice . Their fiduciary duty
is to protect the town . Jim knows this  . No big deal. This is no surprise to
him.

6:48 pm edt 

Re: Outrageous!

If the BOS does not respect town meeting votes the we have lost our
democracy.
6:45 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

Someone keeps saying Chovanec has resigned and yet I keep seeing him
on duty.  He also continues to be listed as serving in two positions on the
department roster posted on the town's website.  I think the roster is updated
frequently as I recall Officer Diab's disappearance from the streets and the
roster occurred nearly simultaneously!!!
6:43 pm edt 

Outrageous!

After all we've been through with Austin Knight violating the sanctity
of our vote our BOS over rules town meeting vote to sell the community center
and not follow our mandate. Where is the outrage from all those that were
appalled by Austin's unfair voting mess. And the BOS has the nerve to
acknowledge  that they are not abiding by our town meeting vote!  OUTRAGEOUS!
6:41 pm edt 

Re: No, Never Long For Russell to Return

"Russ may have been tough to deal with but he was usually right in his
decisions."
   


Where are you coming up with this? he made so many f--- ups it is
mind boggling. Tough to deal with for some- others  he was a piece of cake
for.Get where I am going.
10:45 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

"Chovanec resigned and you're calling it a sinking ship.  You do know
that he followed Jaran from New Hampshire to here and the two couples are really
good friends, right?"



Totally agree-was just a matter of time.no surprise-no sinking ship either-The
police have been doing an incredible job and so many over extend themselves by
waving and hello's.  The way it should have been.They seem happy themselves.
10:43 am edt 

Re: Palacino v Town of Provincetown

Could someone please explain to me what the problem with the Palacino
docs being posted on Facebook is?  The Poulin ones were.  It is a case in
Federal Court.  All of the documents are public and available to ANYONE who
wants to spend 8 cents or so a page to download them.  All you have to do is
register for an account.

Don't we, the citizens, have a right to know what's going on?  Could end up
costing taxpayers a pretty penny.

So what is the problem?  Why do you assume the BOS leaked the docs?  I can think
of 20 people in this town who have PACER accounts. And if the BOS did leak the
docs, what exactly is the issue with PUBLIC documents being leaked?

You people are very strange.
10:41 am edt 

Re: No, Never Long For Russell to Return

Longing for Russ. Braun. Never happens. His partiality was blatant .
Never a second thought about this one.
10:38 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

Chovanec resigned and you're calling it a sinking ship.  You do know
that he followed Jaran from New Hampshire to here and the two couples are really
good friends, right?

You also probably know that he is one of two officers (along with Koumenelis)
who voted against the Union Letter.

Best of luck to him, but this isn't a surprise to anyone who has been paying
attention.
8:59 am edt 

Re: No, Never Long For Russell to Return

It's an anonymous blog so don't be afraid to come back and eat your words. Be
careful what you wish for.
Russ may have been tough to deal with but he was usually right in his decisions.
Now he's gone and the new person will have to understand all that Russ
understood over the past how many years and without the aid of Max or anyone
else with the institutional knowledge of the insane details of the community
development department. Over time they'll get it but nobody will come in knowing
all. Lets see how fast the bloggers in here eat the new commissioner alive.
8:58 am edt 

Re: Building Commissioner

Because things have to move forward in a timely manner in the past
typically if no Building Commissioner or inspector was available in
Provincetown, we would ask the Commissioner from Truro to fill in for us to sign
off on permits and inspections, and vies versa. This happens in every town.  I
guess we arnt done with him yet folks. But we will survive, the other people in
the office are perfectly capable of handling his other responsibilities for a
short period of time.

A Rat In The Basement
8:56 am edt 

Re: Navigating Close to the Wind

Don't get it - he'll me out here a little. Who is this post referring to? Thanks
8:55 am edt 


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