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Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Re: When Eveyrthing Else is Closed

The East End Marketplace is open every day, year round, for wonderful breakfast
sandwiches, lunch (free soup with every sandwich), deli and delicious baked
goods, and wi-fi!
2:38 pm est 

Re: Provincetown's Openness?

Re: Signed
      "Happy with the state of our town."


Like the way u think and I agree.  It's not perfect, but we are heading in the
right direction after years of neglect.
2:35 pm est 

Provincetown's Openness?

If the question you want from the town needs legal representation you
must be a former town employee or aggrieved neighbor to something you don't like
the outcome of. That's a different story when it comes to the town being very
open. But for the average towns person, Provincetown government is very open and
truthful.
11:17 am est 

Housing Authority/Library

My guess is the housing authority resignations are similar to the
library board resignation.  Both were done to much fanfare with coverage in the
Banner.  In both situations people got in to elected/appointed positions and
when everyone already on the board didn't quickly realize the newer folks had
all the knowledge and that they should listen to and follow their every whim the
new folks got bent out of shape.  Then instead of working for change within the
structure they took the cowardly way out and quit.
10:10 am est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

"It is absolutely true that one cannot just "join" the finance
committee."


I'm not making an assumption, dear.  I'm speaking from knowledge and something I
know as fact.  The only way you won't get on FinCom is if there isn't an opening
or you are a complete nut case.  I know of two people who joined FinCom within
the past three years, neither of them had any connections, just a desire to
volunteer and help.
10:07 am est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

"The supernatural power of which you speak is the private cost of any
legal fee associated with questioning the actions of any "paid leaders" on any
level.  Gripes and moans expressed in blogs seem to be indicative of a common
thread.  .  ."


Most people realize these are the complaints of a very very small minority of
people hiding behind the anonymity of this blog.  Until people speak at
Selectmen meetings or sign their names on this blog no one is going to listen to
you.

Signed
Happy with the state of our town.
10:04 am est 

Re: Budget, Payrolls and Machinations

Politics!

Think Provincetown is going in the right direction?  Who will benefit is the
question one must ask.  Are decisions being made for the town as a whole or for
the benefit of a chosen few.

I've taken the time to watch the different committees and board meetings on
provincetown television station and inquired about who the members are on
different boards.  Seems to me there are a lot of connections between
committees, boards and Selectmen.

Recently read in the paper about the housing authority resignations and the
house that sits vacant when there are people who need housing.  Can someone tell
us what the answer to that one is.
10:01 am est 

Monday, January 30, 2012

Kudos for What? Sharon Lynn Hardly Does the Work

Kudos, if they are deserved, should go to David Gardner.

He is the one who knows how to resolve issues and solve

problems, not Sharon. He is the real town  Manager. 

7:58 pm est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

"Unless the paid leaders of this town have some kind of supernatural
power over all of us volunteers."



The supernatural power of which you speak is the private cost of any legal fee
associated with questioning the actions of any "paid leaders" on any level. 
Gripes and moans expressed in blogs seem to be indicative of a common thread. 
There is a bitter taste left by the business as usual and spend, spend, spend
mantra despite common sense and economic and future demands.  Obviously the blog
is the only place true feelings of disgust can be aired without fear of personal
repercussion.
6:49 pm est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

It is widely known that all boards, including the finance committee,
are always happy to have new people join their boards. But until you step up and
let them know that you are interested, how will they know? Once board members
know someone is interested most would love to step down if they knew that
someone else wanted to SERVE! If you want things to change, STEP UP!
5:53 pm est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

I don't see any board or committee members in town saying this town is
going in the wrong direction or is somehow corrupted.   If things are as corrupt
or as bad as people say it is on this blog, you would think someone would say
something about it publicly! Provincetown is one of the most open and honest
governments I have ever been involved with, and I've been involved in big and
small towns for years. The best thing in this town is that its boards and
committees are all volunteer non paying jobs and you could always speak up about
things that you disagree with. All of the grips I read about on here just don't
hold water! Unless the paid leaders of this town have some kind of supernatural
power over all of us volunteers.
5:51 pm est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

"--It's just an excuse for your unwillingness to work towards making a
difference, dear"



And now who's making assumptions? I am on a town board and active in several
organizations in town.

It is absolutely true that one cannot just "join" the finance committee.
5:48 pm est 

Help

Man and woman were made to help support the community which is the right and
proper thing to do. Put downs do nothing and action is everything. If there are
indeed so many people unhappy here then there should be hundreds of people lined
up to run for office. That requires time and commitment. Put downs and second
guesses are the easy way to hear yourself talk(or blog) We need more people to
step up and get involved. We need less people to whine and bad mouth. AND PLEASE
check your facts before spewing. Rumor, conjecture and guessing are
counter-productive if your trying to change things. It only makes you look
small.
2:55 pm est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

"Ha! As if anyone could just "join" the finance committee. It's a
closed club, dear."



I happen to know for a fact it is not.  It's just an excuse for your
unwillingness to work towards making a difference, dear.


2:28 pm est 

Re: When Everything is Closed....

Also open for lunch and dinner are Napi's and Fanizzi's or Far Land
for breakfast and lunch.

All good businesses open year-round that deserve our support.
2:25 pm est 

Town Manager

Kudos to our Town Manager who is doing a sublime job managing the
Town! We all are very greatful!
2:23 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

I'm puzzled as to why we are investing all this money on the police
station.  I'm concerned that focus is going to the police because the town
manager was a cop, and that's where she's most comfortable.  Truth is, we don't
really have that much crime. The dog officer is busier than anyone.  And when we
do have a big crime, the state police are called to deal with it. We just need
some officers, traffic control cops for the summer, and some summer cops for
rowdy tourists.

Don't let them turn this town into a police state. We used to have a "live and
let live" philosophy; that's why many of us are here. If the TM had had her way,
people would be fined for smoking pot (that article did not pass) and the police
would be monitoring residents' yard sales (that article did not pass either).
Thankfully some voters are paying attention.
12:59 pm est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

RE: "Better yet, join the finance committee where you can have
a say in what is recommended."


Ha! As if anyone could just "join" the finance committee. It's a closed club,
dear.
12:57 pm est 

Re: When Everything is Closed.....:

Long live George's: 

Always open  always serving the town...  have always loved their pizzas
and subs, your basic neighborhood joint and eatery... hope they continue
to stay around for a looooong time, what would we do without them?
8:52 am est 

New Police Station

Excellent idea' the new station should be at the vms school. At least the
public could find it. Seniors can't be expected to walk up that hill, this town
is crazy, no common sense.
8:43 am est 

When Everything is Closed, What is Open?

Yes, George's Pizza. they are just there. Always open. always serving you.
thanks guys for just being there.
8:39 am est 

Re: Town Manager Position

What a Joy is Sharon Lynn Leaves for Greater. larger Pasture in Key
West

I would do cart wheels. what a pleasant surprise that would be. goodbye and good
luck, my dear. but, do it soon.
8:36 am est 

Watching BOS Meeting

I'm not sure Turner knows what she is doing re
paving & water main.  Isn't she the one who messed up the single stream project? 
And now she's in charge of the multi million $ paving/water main?  I don't get
it.
11:36 pm est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

"...hidden consequences...?"


Sounds so mysterious.  It's about as transparent as it gets.  Want to know more? 
Want to give your input?  Attend the finance committe meetings on the budget
starting in february.  Better yet, join the finance committee where you can have
a say in what is recommended.
11:33 pm est 

Sunday, January 29, 2012

A Point of View

Thankfully the views expressed on this blog do not represent the views
of the majority in town.
5:40 pm est 

Town Manager Position

A writer has made mention several times when writing in that the TM will be
moving to Key West.  Do they know something we don't know?

I moved here when Mr. McNulty was in office and had to meet with him on several
different issues.  He was always available, upfront and pleasant to talk to.  He
would also let me know where he stood.

I did speak with Mr. Bergman a few times, enough said on that one!  I have not
had the opportunity to speak with Ms. Lynn.  I can only hope she is an upfront
and sincere individual running our town and treats people with respect and in
the same manner that she would want to be treated.
5:39 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting Strategies

Re: "You can decide you wish to change a budget, but you can't force
management to hire a specific individual."


No, but you can force management to reveal the hidden consequences of a budget
change, especially if those consequences are one of the primary motives for the
budget change.
3:49 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting Strategies

You can decide you wish to change a budget, but you can't force
management to hire a specific individual.
12:58 pm est 

Sharon Lynn

Look- the current Asst Town Manager is most capable of
running this town-he is more competent and more intelligent than Sharon
Lynn-this is a known fact.
11:57 am est 

Police/DPW

At first, I wondered if this was another pie in the sky type dream, some crazy
idea that someone floated to get some feedback. I was wrong. I must say, this
idea of putting the DPW in with the police is a ludicrous idea!! Can you imagine
the complete confusion surrounding the building when a situation occurs?
Snowstorm? What a mess! And where does Lower Cape ambulance fit in? Mixing the
DPW with police is like mixing the recreation department with the library in the
same building. Very stupid idea that we will all pay for down the road when it
doesn't work out and we have to build another new building for the police to get
away from the DPW and all the noise and confusion.
11:55 am est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

To the blogger who professes to know employment law,that may be
true,but municipal law is different. There have been several cases here where
the applicants collected the sizable amounts due them for jobs performed that
were underpaid according to statute. Do your homework!
11:54 am est 

Re: Town Meeting Strategies

Just as Towm.Meeting may withhold funding, for particular positions so may it
add positions as well. In either case it would be accomplished by amendment to
the budget.  In the case of naming an individual, the moderator might rule that
out of order.

Others may know more, but it would appear customs at Provinvetown Annual Town
meeting may be challenged as in violation of Mass or Town law  and regulations. 
So exercise your rights and if the Moderator steps on your rights object with
specifics and ask for ruling from Town lawyers.
11:50 am est 

Re: Sharon Lynn Above Her Pay Grade

If she leaves and goes to Key West, I hope she takes the Library Director with her:  they're both  good buddies in many ways:  I'm sure Key West could use a library director and maybe
we could get a good competent person in the position here in town.
11:48 am est 

Political Machinations and Desires

So the big bad chief wants a new police station,which rumor has it
would be built at the highway department which now would mean that they would
also have to build a new highway garage on that property too..so in actuallity
they will be asking at town meeting to build 2 new facilitys and to top it
off,if they do build a new highway department all the highway offices will move
out there and the senior citizens will have the veterans memorial school to
themselves but most seniors would have a hard time walkin there surely..if u ask
me i think the senior center should stay at the goveia building and put the
police station at the school,o yea i forgot the chief wants a "new"building...
not a remodel
1:08 am est 

Town Meeting Strategies

Town Meeting may amend the general government budget simply bring the change in
writing. In this case Town Meeting  may withhold funding for the new TM admin.
Likewise  the extra new police officers or any other line in the budget at the
appropriate section.

Amendments like those outlined above require
50% to pass
1:06 am est 

Sharon Lynn Playing Above Her Pay Grade

We need the current Asst. Town Manager.  We need to make him the Town
Manager.  He does all the work anyway & let the Town Manager go. If she goes the
Police Chief won't be too far behind.  That's killing two dangerous birds with
one stone! They're in each others pocket.  If she goes to Key West,she'll make a
place for him we hope.  How much time left on her contract?  I hope the BOS
haven't been awarding her new one in advance without the public being informed.
1:03 am est 

Budgets, Payrolls, Machinations

" . .This certainly will qualify them to recover the money that
was denied them. So Fin Com,get ready to increase the budgets hundreds of
thousands of dollars to compensate the back pay due them."



Good luck with that one.  Having worked in employment law before I retired and
moved here I can tell you there isn't a case here.  You took a job knowing the
pay, it would be very difficult to get any court to rule that you should have
been paid more and award back pay.

Was it fair?  Not something the courts would rule on.

Was it illegal?  No.
12:59 am est 

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

"Wake up, the TM and Chief do not care about you, trust me."


You may post whatever you want to, but why would I trust you?  You are an
anonymous writer on a blog.
12:57 am est 

Saturday, January 28, 2012

Re: Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

All this talk about town staff?  Question, why do we need an assistant
town manager for a town that has about 2900 people year round?   That seems like
the biggest line item we could save some dollars on.   Now David Gardner is a
great man, he is very well liked by his peers and seems to know a lot, but do we
really need to pay a town manager and an assistant town manager well over
$198,000 plus benefits for a town of our size?
6:15 pm est 

Town Moderator

I'd vote for Snow as moderator. He is insufferable every Town meeting
going up to the mike for each article droning on and on.
The meetings would be a lot shorter! He adds little to the debate.


6:13 pm est 

Budgets, Payrolls and Machinations

At least 60 people worked at the town owned nursing home..just think
how much has been saved on payroll and health insurance..all eliminated..and
still our town manager insist taking more jobs away from good hard working
people who live here..town managers come and go and leave destruction of our
town.. citizens suffer long after especially when a year later they see their
job and someone else being hired to do the same thing they did only it was
renamed.its all happening before our eyes..the police station ..town
hall..pier..and parking lot jobs our elderly enjoyed doing..the agenda is the
police chief wants a new police station, if they show they are saving money but
in reality it will cost the tax payers far more.and no jobs to be able to pay
their taxes
6:09 pm est 

Payroll Budget and School

One of the previous postings about the town not owning the nursing home should
be saving the town money (or something to that effect), is right on. May I add
that I think the school being condensed to one building and the drop in student
enrollment that this town was able to trim the town budget some more. That is
why I posted recently about the elimination of Vernon's job and the police depts
only custodian has nothing to do with the current budget. It's so the Town
Manager and the Police Chief can use that money for other things they want.
Please do not buy into what they are telling you, it's cost effective, etc
because they know that is what you want to hear inorder for them to get your
support. Wake up, the TM and Chief do not care about you, trust me.
6:04 pm est 

Re: Budget Payrolls Machinations

They really mean getting rid of dead wood in their opinion


WOW, you hit the nail on the head even though I'm guessing you didn't mean to do
so.  Find any business, city or town that strives to keep dead wood employed and
I'll show you a failing organization.
6:02 pm est 

Re: Budget Payrolls Machinations

Those of you who wish to challenge the Town staffing may do it by  
amendment at Town Meeting.  Budget amendments may alter specific line items or
positions.


BOS secretary position is being moved from BOS budget to TM budget.  BOS
acknowledge they don't need a full time secretary.
BOS budget - minus one position
TM budget - plus one position
Net positions lost = Zero

The town does not vote on individual budgets if you look at last yr's annual
town meeting vote.  It votes for the 'general government' budget which contain
both the BOS budget and the TM budget.
5:57 pm est 

Re: Changes at Housing Authority

I agree, the recent resignations of the two housing reps is just a
block of friends trying to make Cheryl look bad.
5:48 pm est 

Re: Mary Jo-Best of Pack

Mary Jo Avellar will treat "wash-a-shores with respect because her own
mother,who lived here 90 years alwys referred to herself as a wash-a-shore! 
It's interesting that Asst. Harbormasters will be hired by Police Chief and paid
police pay.  The former Harbormasters and assistants that are around had to have
police powers and required to past state tests to qualify but were continually
denied police pay. This certainly will qualify them to recover the money that
was denied them. So Fin Com,get ready to increase the budgets hundreds of
thousands of dollars to compensate the back pay due them.
5:46 pm est 

Re: Budget Payrolls

Town should start houise cleanig at the top, thats where the big
salaries are. The poor people they have let go don't mean anything,there
salaries are small, compared to the top.
5:42 pm est 

Re: Mary Jo-Best of Pack

MJA husband's criticism of the pier was spot on! The Town  handled it
poorly to say the least by firing the guy. But yet,it quietly restructured the
entire operation over the last couple of years.
11:19 pm est 

Re: Payroll Budget

One more person who will have to relocate due to restaffing..geesh i
thought once you sold our wonderful town owned nursing home with a huge deficit,
would atleast free up some money for people left to keep their jobs..what does
the town do with the money they saved from not owning cape end manor..this is no
longer a community that takes care of its own.and by the way we do know that
when management talks about restaffing, they really mean getting rid of dead
wood in their opinion
11:17 pm est 

Re: Budget Payroll

Those of you who wish to challenge the Town staffing may do it by   amendment at
Town Meeting.  Budget amendments may alter specific line items or positions.

Alternatively, you may speak at the Finance Committee Hearing,

Recall too compensation votes are required to be by secret ballot, but the
current Moderator hasnt enforced this by law as req by town law.
11:14 pm est 

Friday, January 27, 2012

Re: Mary Jo-Best of Pack

We all know who got that party started MJ et. al!


I'd hardly give her credit.   She was just being vindictive.  Cross her and you
will regret it.
7:20 pm est 

Re: Budget Payroll

"I have an idea regarding reorganization of staffing, let remove the
ASST Town Clerk position and in its place ask for Senior volunteers or retirees
to man . . ."



So, you aren't against cutting staff, you just want to decide who should get
cut?

I trust the town's management knows more about the town's staffing  needs than I
do and I leave those decisions to them.  That's what we hire them to do.  Some
would say they have favorites, well who doesn't?  Those who want to pick and
choose have their favorites, so do I.
7:13 pm est 

Re: Mary Jo Avillar-Best of Pack

Would Mary Jo refuse support of wash a shores?
5:37 pm est 

Re: Mary Jo Avillar-Best of the Pack

The pier is going in the right direction. The harbormaster isn't going
to be hiring assistant harbormasters anymore. They will be properly trained and
vetted through the summer police program and answer to the Chief. Their finances
are now on the Town's Munis System. The Pier board regularly meets with the
Finance Committee. The Pier board and harbormaster duties have been greatly
diminished to the benefit of all.

We all know who got that party started MJ et. al!
5:34 pm est 

Gross Mismanagement-Over Her Head!

Having just signed for the contract for the cost overrun  of the water main
(reflected as a reduction in the scope of the project) news breaks the expenses
of the second cost overrun at VMES is much larger than originally disclosed.

Glad to see Cape Cod Times pick up from the Banner.
5:31 pm est 

Re: Vernon Fired!?

When I want a answer to a question at town hall. I ask
Vernon. I never approach the other knuckleheads,never a
Answer,just wrong info.and will tell you anything,just to
Get you out.
5:28 pm est 

Re: Vernon Fired!?

- Payroll is the biggest single expense for the town which means if
you want to reduce expenses you need to look at payroll.

So the right thing to do is to fire a person who has worked in his position for
years, is just a few years away from retirement, has nothing to fall back on,
has recent health issues, needs to work and will have difficulty finding another
job both because of the economy and his age. This is how we say thank you to
dedicated longterm employees.

If I was Vernon I'd be pursuing both an age discrmination lawsuit, and a
disabilities lawsuit.
5:25 pm est 

Changes at Housing Authority

What's the story behind the two Housing Authority board members who
resigned? The banner says they resigned because the rest of the board was
"resistant to change." The chair, Cheryl Andrews, says she was shocked and had
no idea there was dissatisfaction.

The two resigning board members, interestingly enough, are Tom Roberts and
Harriet Gordon (they are friends, and are also both members of the Zoning
Board). Tom is the partner of selectman David McChesney, and Harriet is the
partner of Finance Committee member Ann Maguire, who is also the BFF of the town
manager and referred to by some as "the mayor of Provincetown." (Can't even type
that without throwing up a little.)

They are all very good friends and all part of the town manager's Enchanted
Circle of Entitled Friends. They also share a common enemy: Cheryl Andrews.

Will the Banner ever do real news reporting?
5:21 pm est 

Budget Payroll

I have an idea regarding reorganization of staffing, let remove the ASST Town
Clerk position and in its place ask for Senior volunteers or retirees to man
that post in exchange for tax benefits, 2nd how about having ONE DPW director
postion only, and not 2 chiefs in that department, i am not criticizing Sandy or
David but with a Town this small we don't need 2 chiefs. 3rd let's not fund the
position of ASST Town Manager which would save the town's coffers considerable
monies as well. Town Managers in the past have worked quite well without an ASST
TM. Again not to be critical of any one person but eliminate the position. We
seem to eliminate the INDIANS and we carry a lot of CHIEFs in this small fishing
village!! Something to think about. Look at the Town or Truro and or Chatham and
or any similiarly town with similiar populations and look at their municipal
budgets, we can cut at the TOP not the bottom!!
5:16 pm est 

Vernon's Job and the Janitor's Job

Folks come on this blog to say we need to cut back, reduce expenses. 
Payroll is the biggest single expense for the town which means if you want to
reduce expenses you need to look at payroll.  And any reduction in payroll or
possible reorganization is bound to ruffle some feathers.  Either we direct the
town manager to be as efficient as possible or we decide that once a position is
filled it is a 'job for life' even if circumstances change.
2:29 pm est 

Posted Candidates

Town website shows that Mary Jo is running for Moderator, Dave Bedard
is running for re-election, and, incredibly enough, Lyn Kratz (or Evelyn, or
EveLyn, or whatever she's calling herself lately) is running for re-election to
the library board. She's confident she can continue to do the bidding of the
town manager and her cronies in her lackluster and uninformed fashion all the
way from Philadelphia. Lucky, lucky us.
Link: http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=1049
2:26 pm est 

Re: Plastic Fence at 40 Bradford Street

This is an eyesore and should be removed.
2:20 pm est 

Re: Best of the Pick-Mary Jo Avillar

"........That's my vote. She has the skills and fairness to all who live
and vote here. No hidden agendas. . ."


I remember watching her last BOS meeting where she went on and on and on about
the Pier.  No agenda? You can't be serious.  MJ has a bias to those entitled
folks who have lived here forever, not sure how fair she is.
2:16 pm est 

Re: Best of the Pick-Mary Jo Avellar

No no no no!

The job of the moderator is to run a fair and orderly meeting. MJ does not have
the discipline to do it as we already know, Coture pursues a political agenda at
every turn. It's possible that mr Snow has too many conflicts with the town
although he could probably do the job. The least offensive would be Jim if he is
willing. He has the experience and brains.  My 2 cents...
2:08 pm est 

Town Moderator

For the poster who states that Ms Avellar is best choice  for Town Moderatr
because she has "no hidden agenda"? YOu must have been living on an island in
the South Pacific or lived under a rock for the past 20 years. Your choice of
words are laughable to say the least, JIM BARKER is the best so far with names
being dropped here. But let's be blunt and honest everyone who runs for
political office or powers of authority have "agenda's" unfortunately they tend
to be for the wrong reasons. Rarely does one come along with the honesty and
integridy needed in political office.
2:07 pm est 

Vernon's Job and the Janitors Job

If anyone knows the Town Manager and the Police Chief, you will know they are
going to tell you what sounds like it's a wise move and a practical move to
eliminate both Vernon's job and the Police Custodian's job. They are not going to
tell you the real reasons. They can't. Think about it. All those two care about
is what both of them want and not what you want. Ask around like I did.
2:05 pm est 

Vernon Fired!?

Letting Go, really firing Vernon is Not Good
This is wrong. this is terrible. this should not be. How can the board of
selctmen let this happen? He should be supported for all he has done, not let
go. Then look for someone else to do Sharon's work and then also the BOS. why
change the positions now? this is offensive and a slap in the face.
2:03 pm est 

Best of the Pick-Mary Jo Avellar

Wasn't Mary Jo Avellar the Chair of the Board of Selectmen when the
Commonwealth of Massachusetts put the Town of Provincetown of the Department of
Revenue's watch list?

If that is correct, do we really want yesterday's elected officials that were
incapable of properly overseeing the Town's finance?

Concerned taxpayer
2:00 pm est 

Vernon Fired!?

Yes, Vernon is being fired. They're not calling it that, but the jobs
are being "reorganized," and the intentional effect of that is that Vernon's job
is being eliminated. The TM has never liked him and this reorganization is being
designed in large part to get rid of him. This is not a rumor. I suspect that
the mission will be accomplished at town meeting via a budget article that will
never state anything about how this affects individual employees.

Sneaky, nasty, manipulative, as usual.
11:20 am est 

Best of the Pick-Mary Jo Avellar

Moderator upcoming election:Some say Atty. Snow,if he were to run may
not get it because of his part in the PMM issue in releasing Jim Bakker. 
Michelle Couture like the idea of being moderator to follow suit of her old
exgirlfriend,Irene who is stepping down.  That leaves candidate Mary Jo Avellar
as the best bet.  She was Selectman/Chairman for years,but her real job was as
Paralegal for a pretigious Boston Law firm.  That's my vote. She has the skills
and fairness to all who live and vote here. No hidden agendas!
10:57 am est 

 

Provincetown school renovation project hits costly snag

The transformation of a 1950s school building into town offices, which Provincetown leaders thought would cost $380,000, will require more than double that, after the steam heating system broke in December.

Town officials expect to bring the added expense to repair the Veterans Memorial Elementary School heating system — up to $800,000 — to the April 2 special town meeting as a Proposition 2½ debt exclusion, Provincetown Town Manager Sharon Lynn said Tuesday. Two grants of $140,000 each, both related to efficient energy use, may offset the cost, Lynn said.

The 41,646-square-foot elementary school at 12 Winslow St. is owned by the Provincetown School Committee. At the beginning of the school year, it was largely vacated when the elementary students were moved into the neighboring high school building as part of a district consolidation because of declining enrollment. Preschoolers and an infants-and-toddlers program, called Wee Care, remained at the elementary school in an area that was to be sectioned off from the planned town offices.

In April, town meeting approved $379,721 as a Proposition 2½ debt exclusion for school repairs and to create offices for the council on aging, the recreation department and the department of public works. Repair estimates came in higher than expected, though, so town leaders asked for more money at an October town meeting. Voters approved using $525,000 from stabilization funds, of which about $350,000 was for the elementary school and the rest for repairs to a second town building

The work on the elementary school began in mid-November, and is expected to be completed in the next few weeks, site manager Chuck Granger of RAC Builders of Agawam said Tuesday.
The heating system, though, is now the snag.

The oil-fired steam boiler failed because of age and fatigue of the pipes, according to a mechanical assessment received in town hall two weeks ago. The age of the individual room ventilators and failed steam piping with asbestos insulation located in trenches throughout the facility pose "some safety and health risks," the assessment stated. The steam boiler will be replaced with a hot-water boiler, and the room ventilators will be replaced with equipment that matches each room's heating requirement. The steam piping will be abandoned in place to eliminate asbestos removal issues, the assessment said.

If town meeting approves the roughly $800,000, the repairs to the heater would start shortly after and take about two months.
"All departments will move in by July 1," Lynn said.

When the heating system at the elementary school broke in December, the 30 toddlers and preschoolers were temporarily moved to the high school. The high school now holds about 97 students, counting the youngsters, said Principal Kim Pike.

"Right now we're filled to capacity," Pike said. Part of the school library is sectioned off for some preschoolers along with an area temporarily vacated by the town's public-access television station.
"I think we're doing well, all things considered," she said.


10:43 am est 

Elaine Anedersen

In your editorial on the deb Paine connections...
What about Elaine Andersen... Ms. Paine renovated and
Continues to work for her.
10:38 am est 

Vernon Fired!?

From a very reliable source,yes ,Vernon,s job is on the cutting
Block.  To bad,he is the only truth at he town hall. I for one will
Send ms.lynn a email.
10:35 am est 

Vernon Fired!?

"Something's quite wrong if Vernon is being fired."


I've been watching the bos budget meetings and I didn't hear anyone was being
fired.  I heard that position is being moved over to the town manager department
because they didn't need a full-time board secretary.
10:34 am est 

Vernon Fired!?

"Something's quite wrong if Vernon is being fired. He has given of his
time, his energy, and his commitment to the BOS and to this town has been
unwavering."


Personnel decisions are always going to be one-sided on this blog.  Town
authorities can't and shouldn't comment on any personnel decisions.  Nor may
they comment on anyone's performance.
10:32 am est 

Vernon Fired!?

Whoa! Put the reins on here.  Just because someone posted that Vernon
was fired doesn't make it so. Someone said Vernon is leaving...ain't necessarily
so.  When someone posts something here, it might or might not be true.  Has
anyone asked Vernon? To the person who started this rumor...naughty naughty Lv
Vernon's Fan Boys
10:27 am est 

Why Should Positions at Town Hall Change?

Vernon has been working for the selectmen for many years. He is consistent,
dependable and has given so much of himself. If he wants to leave, that is one
thing. to be pushed out the town hall door is a disgrace. Who is the heartless
one devising this plan?
12:39 am est 

Vernon Fired!?

Something's quite wrong if Vernon is being fired. He has given of his time, his
energy, and his commitment to the BOS and to this town has been unwavering. How
awful to do this? Where is this mean-spririted act coming from? Ths is very
upsetting.
12:37 am est 

Butt Backwards

You are funny out there. Nice phrase to perfectly tag this town in its
mismanagement and in so many poor decisions. Butt backwards, indeed!
12:35 am est 

Plastic Fence at 40 Bradford Street

Does anyone know what the HDC is doing about this isuue.
I believe that if more fences like rhis one are allowed to be put up, it will be
as if we are going back to the days when plastic covers were put on living room
sofas, or lampshades are coered with plastic, and this would be tragic for our
beautiful town.
Rugala Lenska
12:34 am est 

Thursday, January 26, 2012

Town Moderator

Jim Bakker for Moderator? Well regarded.  Not political & fair
minded.

Your thoughts?,
10:16 pm est 

Provincetown Library

Last week, or maybe the week before, someone erroneously commented
that the Provincetown Public Library had no reading programs for children. To
that I reply:

Provincetown Public Library will host Born to Read for children aged birth to
kindergarten with their caregivers on January 27 & February 3, 10:30 am. This
educational, energizing program prepares children for reading readiness by
introducing language and concepts, and gives children valuable opportunity to
interact with their peers. 356 Commercial Street, Provincetown. For more
information call 508-487-7094.
10:15 pm est 

Provincetown Mismanagement

Why did we spend all that money on the grace goveia building knowing
that we were moving over to the veterans memorial school and now we need a
furnace there too..and what are their plans for the goveia building?why does this
town tend to be butt backwards all the time?
10:13 pm est 

Eco-Friendly Containers

So, by what you are saying, when I pay my "property" tax for the
property that I own, a portion of that tax goes to pay town workers to clean up
all the unrecyclable containers on the side of the road.  I could sell cups to
anyone I want and they can throw them out their car windows to litter the town
and I don't have to worry about it cause I already paid for the cleanup when I
wrote my check to the Tax Collector.  So why bother having a dump?  Just throw
your trash onto the street if the clean up is paid by the property tax.  Sweet.
Right.
10:43 am est 

Out of Townees

Look around you--so many of us are out of town. Please state some background
info when you post regarding things like Mr. Snow, ESQ. running for town
moderator of M.J. Avelar.

Wicked Local just gives cursory summary. There are thousands of us not in town
but who want to know what is going on. Give us the meat--not just the potatoes.
10:24 am est 

Re: Water Mains and Street Repairs

"Provincetown BoS, Town Manager and DPW fail again :("


You may believe whatever you choose to believe.  When it comes down to it you
are just looking to blame someone and the BOS, Town Manager and DPW are nice
targets for you as none of them are going to come on here and explain reality to
you.
10:22 am est 

Re: Winthrop Cemetery

Ok, hopefully you're wide awake and not stoned or drunk when you read this. The
cemetery is a space where people are buried. Their headstones are there and have
been inundated by overgrowth from years of neglect. The "native" trees in the
cememtery were not there when the cememtery was created. It was barren. Ever see
a new  cememtery with that much crap in it? Try burying a body in the wood with
all the brush. Stop making it like the trees have always been there so lets keep
them. The haven't been there all along. They grew in and overgrew the cememtery.
From here forward, maybe some management of the groth will allow the native
plants to come back in selected areas. But till then, it's a cleanup operation.
10:19 am est 

Re: Eco-Friendly Containers

They do pay for the cleanup. Its called property tax, oops sorry, you're
probably a renter and have no idea what thats all about.
10:17 am est 

Buying and Selling

Atlantic Bay Sothebys sold                is in negotiations with a
buyer at the banks demand    its scary when the real estate agents who give us
advice on buying and selling property get so far over their head they have to
sell or foreclose
11:59 pm est 

Eco-Friendly Containers

It's bad enough S & S uses these containers, but the majority of road
trash you see are "to go"food containers and cups.  Why our tax happy leaders
don't implement an additional tax on food places or any places that offer "to
go" services not using eco-friendly recyclable containers is beyond me. 
Taxpayers end up paying for the pickup of these containers thrown out the
window.  Bad enough nips are allowed at all so people can throw them out the
window but why should a town have to pay for trash pickup of these "to go"
containers doled out with no responsibility for their clean up and proper
disposal.  These businesses make big profits on "to go" products used in the
car.  They should pay a fee for their use of non-recyclable containers for their
take out, especially beverages.  Take a walk along any major road and count the
cups.  I say if those handing them out and making the money should have to
contribute to the costs of picking them up.  Maybe then they might !
consider more eco-friendly options for their products.
11:55 pm est 

Re: Water Mains & Street Repair

The vote to spend the money was based on:

A) Don't put expensive pavement over aged water mains

B) Do the work only once.


Provincetown BoS, Town Manager and DPW fail again :(
11:52 pm est 

Re: Winthrop Cemetery-topics List

"What is your purpose in posting your list of topics? Is it to make
people feel bad if they say something about any of these?"


Lighten up folks, don't take things so seriously.  We have fun with it, life's
too short, enjoy it!!!!

Purpose of the list was to point out we that the same issues keep getting
re-hashed here.  And talking about the same issues over and over again on this
blog isn't going to solve anything.
11:50 pm est 

Re: Clear Cutting of Trees

Oh no the tree lady has another bee in her bonnet.  I wish that every tree and
bush in town was removed just to get her worked up.  Only kidding XXXXXXXX.  
Just keep that lady off my property!
11:48 pm est 

Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Stop & Shop

Ya know what I really hate,  is that stop & shop uses NON recyclable
plastic containers in the deli!
3:18 pm est 

Winthrop Cemetery

The issue is not about cleaning up the cemetery.america corp,
A Volunteer originization cut species original to ptown. They had
No supervision and cut were bayberry,roses, etc. the group also
Cut original plantings to the cemetery.
This cutting of our landscape needs to done with more care,ex.
Large mature trees at the new low cost housing,rte 6 clear cutting.
These trees and plants are part of our heritage and we can't afford
To loose them.

Once gone,gone forever".........  Maybe the sign entering the town
Should read... Welcome to Lynn.
3:15 pm est 

Snow as Moderator

Although he has run and been interested before, I don't know how you could be
town moderator and simultaneously sue the town on repeated occasions.  I can't
see him giving up suing the town as that appears to be a significant part of his
livelihood.
3:08 pm est 

Re: Newly Created Executive Secretary Position

The selectmen are eliminating their secretary's position. In other
words, they are firing Vernon, effective July 1. The town manager's secretary
will assume the responsibility for her office and the selectmen's with an
executive assistant. Doesn't seem fair to me. All will be revealed at Town
Meeting or so I'm told.
3:04 pm est 

Re: Newly Created Executive Secretary Position

Has the Newly Created Executive Secretary Position for town Manager
been Posted Yet?

Does anyone know? Will it be posted before of after town meeting? I assume it
has to be in the budget and thus approved at town meeting? am I right?
1:03 pm est 

Re: Winthrop Cemetery

Drove by the Winthrop cemetary.. good job so far. Much more must be
cut to save this beautiful site. Kudos to those that initiated this much needed
reclamation and maintainance.
11:44 am est 

Re: Winthrop Cemetery

What is your purpose in posting your list of topics? Is it to make
people feel bad if they say something about any of these? What you did might be
considered hurtful.  You are probably not like that if you are not posting here. 
Please don't make fun of others to make a point.  It doesn't put anyone in a
positive light, including you. Lv, the blog's fan boys
11:42 am est 

Re: Winthrop Cemetery!

"Some friends and I have a game we play trying to
guess which issue MYPACC will re-hash next."



You forgot about an important recurring issue on your list and that is the
over-development (and ugli-fication) of the town.

You may think of it as a game, but important issues can and will be brought up
over and over again.
11:38 am est 

Re: Town Moderator

MaryJo Aveller and Michelle Couture


To want to be moderator you have to have somewhat of an ego and both of these
possibilities would be up there.  I'm guessing the people who would like to see
endless debate would love to see MJ as moderator.
11:36 am est 

Re: Water Mains and Street Repair

"Your construction was going to be a single pass without the
expense of a temporary paving project. Now two passes. The distinction between
fall and winter is irrelevant to the point!"


Sorry, you are wrong.  If you attended the first open forum you would realize
the plan has always had 'two passes'.  Due to our busy season and winter OUR
construction has always been planned for two stages.  Stage 1 is to replace
water main, then stop for winter or the summer season, stage 2 pave the street.
11:33 am est 

Re: Town Moderator

Here's My Take: Robinowitz Leaves Because Her Love Couture is No
Longer Chair of BOS:

I believe Rabinowitz became moderator to support and encourage her former
partner Michele Couture. When Couture finally had to leave the BOS--due to time
limits--then Rabinowitz decided to leave. She was there was for her former love
and when the Couture left, he left too.

Not too complicated at all.

she could "call the question' and do anything else that would the BOS Chair in
tryingo to look powerful and be powerful. but, ala, Couture was only Couture.
11:24 am est 

Town Moderator

If I were a betting man I would say the two people who will probably take out
papers and run for Town Moderator would be former selectwomen------MaryJo
Aveller and Michelle Couture.
11:25 pm est 

Christopher Snow, Esq. For Moderator

As previous poster wrote 'God help us all' if Snow became moderator.  Town
meetings would be absolute torture as he and his ego lead the meeting.  Voters
have said no to him many times in the past hopefully they will continue to do
so.
11:23 pm est 

Re: Water Mains & Sreet Repair

Disgest version.  Your construction was going to be a single pass without the
expense of a temporary paving project. Now two passes. The distinction between
fall and winter is irrelevant to the point!
11:20 pm est 

Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Re: Clear Cutting of Trees

More like a cleanup of the crap that's been infesting this old cemetery for the
last 20 years! Had the town done it's job bit by bit over the years, it wouldn't
have cost so much and it wouldn't look so sudden. Face it, it's a much better
look and will get better in time.
7:18 pm est 

Re: Winthrop Cemetery!

Yes, everyone quick - over to the Winthrop Cemetery!

That's a new one on the list.  Some friends and I have a game we play trying to
guess which issue MYPACC will re-hash next.

Three of us had guessed they would go back to bashing the PBG, one correctly
guessed the library director would come up again this week and one guessed the
Pier and Rex.  We have only one winner so far this week!  Here's the list we
work off:

Affordable Housing
Town Staff
Town Manager
School Secretary pay
Dog Park & Candy
Pier & Rex
Police & Police Chief
Board of Selectmen educational levels
PBG
Historic District Commission
Zoning Board
Planning Board
Washashores
Gays taking control
Bang Street
Land Bank/Suzanne's garden
7:16 pm est 

Re: Town Moderator Will Not Run Again

CHRISTOPHER SNOW, ESQ. FOR MODERATOR.

He knows the law, is a lifelong resident and is very involved in politics.
7:12 pm est 

Re: Moderator

First, I hope the Moderator's  health and well being are good. I doubt very much
her motives were bad, she is simply an opinionated community activist who has a
particular point of view. Her community work is of great benefit to
Provincetown.

I also hope the new Moderator will balance efficiency yet encourage a broader
range of voices. It's more than likely, unfortunately,  Town Hall is simply
trading her in on a new person who will be less transparent yet equally
effective in moving the Selectmen's agenda.

Maybe some of the people here with all the good advice will take out papers?
7:10 pm est 

Re: Clear Cutting of Trees

Take a ride down court street,by Winthrop cemetery!
Again the town has clear cut the woods and all natural
Vegetation.
7:06 pm est 

Re: Moderator

Anyone know who has taken out papers yet?
7:03 pm est 

Re: Moderator

Hopefully the new elected one will allow voters to debate issues thoroughly
before calling for a vote.

So you are hoping for a town moderator who will bring an agenda to town meeting? 
One who will keep debate going until everyone in the world gets to speak
regardless if they have anything new to contribute?  One who will ignore the
wishes of the majority to vote on the question so his or her buddies can hear
themselves talk?

God help us all.
3:17 pm est 

Re: Water Mains and Street Paving

Although DPW says starts in Fall 2012 in ends in late winter 2013.See
the post from DPW at the top of this page.

Paving will be completed by early December most likely, paving plants close
during winter.


3:14 pm est 

Re: Town Politics is the Problem

I concur with the statement that the Town Manager does what she is
directed to do by the Board of Selectmen.  If people want change, the members
need to be replaced.  This is not a fishing village anymore and not everyone has
the qualifications that are now needed. A good look at the background of these
people is needed.  All I know about Bedard is that he owns a gym ..  I have seen
him blame others for his ideas when they backfired. I have head him say
unpleasant things.  I have heard him say he won't join the chamber or the PBG
because as he puts it, "The people are here. Why should I?" My views are obvious
tainted.  What do others know about him? Positive or negative.  He's the next
one up for election and right now my vote is NOT for him.
3:12 pm est 

Re: Town Moderator Will Not Run Again

That is a terrible thing that you said about the current town
moderator not running because she knows she won't be elected.  She is not
running simply because she has chosen not to do another term.  As far as your
crystal ball goes, you or I have NO idea weather she would be reelected or not
(but since no one has even stepped up, I kind of have a hunch.) You may not like
her for whatever reason you have but that is no reason to make things up about
her. You need to examine what pleasure it gave you. Lv, Irene's Fan Boys

3:09 pm est 

Re: Water Mains and Street Repairs

Although DPW says starts in Fall 2012 in ends in late winter 2013.See the post
from DPW at the top of this page.


"water main replacement is needed before the road is reconstructed and porous
paving starts in the fall of 2012".
9:12 am est 

Re: Water Mains and Street Repairs

All excavation in the road will be completed by April 30, 2012, and
temporary paving and sidewalk repair will be completed by May 15, 2012.

Water main done by April 2012, paving done in fall of 2012.  I guess I just
can't see how that covers two consecutive winters.

There will be a disruption in spring 2012 as the roads are dug up and water main
put in.  There will again be a disruption in fall 2012 as road is paved.  This
hasn't changed since the water main replacement was approved by town meeting. 
It's not going to be pleasant, no one ever said it would be easy.


8:29 am est 

Re: Town Politics is the Problem

In defense of the Town Manager not everything that bloggers attack her
for is always her fault.  She works for the Board of Selectmen and they workk
for us.  If the Selectmen aren't listening to their constituents then we must
change that at the ballot box.
8:26 am est 

Town Moderator Will Not Run Again

Good news that the current moderator realized she wouldn't get elected
again so decided to not run again.  The post is up for grabs.  Hopefully the new
elected one will allow voters to debate issues thoroughly before calling for a
vote. Those who care enough won't care if Town Meeting lasts 2 weeks as long as
all concerns have been heard by however many want to express them.
8:23 am est 

Re: The Library

The last article written about the library is right on the
money..hopefully the town manager will get wind of this and keep a close eye on
this library director and just maybe next time she will believe  when one one
complains about her..i personally do not go there anymore..i go to truro now,
its pleasant there
8:20 am est 

Re: Town Politics is the Problem

"The only one we can terminate is Bedard at least this year. Next year,
Santos and Knight."


Generally town voters almost always vote opposite of MYPACC grumblings.  While
no one likes to see higher taxes most residents acknowledge the town is in
better shape than it has been in years.

8:13 am est 

Monday, January 23, 2012

Re: Water Mains

"Not sure how we disrupted businesses and residents twice, but heads should roll.
Who you want to terminate first?  Go get em"



Because of the estimating and contract delay, the repaving project is moved from
this winter to next. The now shorter water main project will go ahead this year,
as planned.  Commercial Street will be ripped up over two consecutive winters
rather one as outlined at last Annual Town Meeting. So one plus one is two. or
Or 2012 and 2013.

The only one we can terminate is Bedard at least this year. Next year, Santos
and Knight.

7:14 pm est 

Re: Town Politics is the Problem

'More and more of us are angry and fed up.'


It's obvious that the blogger reflects the minority's disenchantment with the
way the Town is being run .

One just has to go to Town meeting to see that voters consistently support Town
officials! Rarely, are their articles voted down!

Perhaps instead of just bloggining here and getting no results, you all could
try a different tack?

7:11 pm est 

Re: Water Mains

How?  Seriously?  Money, that's how.  Look at it like a giant
puckerberry pie divided into slices (and yes, there are puckerberries in our
woods).  Call Conservation.  They might know about them.
6:15 pm est 

Re: Water Mains

"SO it would appear we just wasted $800,00+ while delaying the repaving
of Commercial Street by one full year while disrupting business and residents
twice not once."


Not sure how we disrupted businesses and residents twice, but heads should roll. 
Who you want to terminate first?  Go get em.
6:12 pm est 

Re: Town Politics is the Problem

"It is controlled by a small, rather uninlligent group and
the decisions too often hurt the town rather than help and give directions. .  ."


Not sure exactly what you are saying, but the group that is 'rather
uninlleigent' was smart enough to take control from you.  What does that tell
ya?

6:11 pm est 

Re: Water Mains

So the pipes are about to fail. Whey then are they putting new pavement on top
of about to fail pipes? The most important line from the posted article
"Meanwhile, if your system contains asbestos-cement pipe, start thinking about
how to fund replacement."  It seems the TM/Selectmen have translated "bury the
pipes under very expensive new pavement and hope for the best"!

Town Meeting voted very specifically to put new water pipes under the new
pavement. How has this gone so off course so fast??

5:11 pm est 

Re: Water Mains

Read this 2009 article from Public Works Magazine for the scoop on asbestos
pipes.

http://www.pwmag.com/industry-news-print.asp?sectionID=0&articleID=902064
4:01 pm est 

Re: Water Mains

"SO it would appear we just wasted $800,00+ while delaying the repaving
of Commercial Street by one full year while disrupting business and residents
twice not once. signed pathetic indeed."

One more part of the question - it seems logical that a water main below sea
level subject to salt water would not last as long as a water main in, say
Philiadelphia.  Wouldn't that make sense?  Until I hear an expert say our water
main should last another X number of years I wouldn't change my vote.


3:58 pm est 

Re: Get Involved!

"The mean-spirtied bloggers feel marginalized and unempowered. Their
armchair rants go nowhere. Get off your duffs, get involved in Town government
and stop your whining!"



Many of us are involved in town government. Many of us also used to feel the way
that you do about this blog.  But you are right about one thing: PEOPLE FEEL
MARGINALIZED AN UNIMPOWERED because unless you are one of a special coterie of
friends and influential types, your participation is not wanted.

This blog survives because it's the only avenue people have to tell their
stories about the town govt. More and more of us are angry and fed up.
3:52 pm est 

Town Politics is the Problem

it is worse than ever. It is controlled by a small, rather uninlligent group and
the decisions too often hurt the town rather than help and give directions.
Seems the mantra is: spend, spend, spend and they will pay, pay, pay.
3:49 pm est 

Re: The Library

Our library is more than just a place to get books to
read for free:  in our town it's basically a community center, a part of our
history, a tourist spot, and the library staff do what they can to help out
anybody who comes in, whether tourist, summer help, or townie.  The Eastern
European kids come in to use computers and our space to keep in touch with
family and friends back home; tourists come in to see the Rose Dorothea model on
the second floor and to get more information about the town, a lot of people to
come to find out more about the history of the town; during the winter townies
hang out in the fiction reading room to read mags and papers and to catch up
with friends 'cause there's not much else open in town, and it should be a safe
place to come to for these reasons and more; unfortunately over the past year
since the new director has been there, it's become an unfriendly place for the
patrons and staff alike--many long time townies an!
d patrons no longer come around because it's so unfriendly and we no longer
have new books for our adult patrons--the director is buying lots of books for
the children (of which there are few and very few come around)--so many people
are leaving and going over to Truro and Wellfleet because these libraries have a
wide selection of new books and are more friendly.  The library used to be a
good safe place, but it no longer is, and only one person is at fault (actually
two if you include the town manager, because she's clueless as well.)
3:48 pm est 

Re: Water Main

Me:Life expectancy of a water main is 100 to 150 years depending on the material
used.

You:If, this is true, why didn't you speak up at town meeting?

Me:I listened to those I assumed to be expert (Lynn, DPW town vendor, Finance )
and took their advice. Only the change in plans for Commercial Street sent me to
research the issue.


SO it would appear we just wasted $800,00+ while delaying the repaving of
Commercial Street by one full year while disrupting business and residents twice
not once. signed pathetic indeed.

9:54 am est 

Get Involved!

The mean-spirtied bloggers feel marginalized and unempowered. Their
armchair rants go nowhere.

Get off your duffs, get involved in Town government and stop your whining!
9:21 am est 

Library

Re: "But, I'll be honest, I don't really care.  Libraries are so '20
years ago'. I'm surprised we waste so much money on the library.  Ever hear of
Kindle or the Internet?"

Seriously? This person feels like money spent on maintaining a library is
wasted? How sad. Perhaps this person never considered that there are people in
our town who cannot afford a computer or a Kindle, people who find the library
to be a valuable resource. Some of these people include children who deserve the
opportunity to access the information the library houses. I sincerely hope I
never see the day when books are considered obsolete and replaced completely by
electronic devices.
9:15 am est 

Re: Psah! If Only Your wishes Were True

"You'd like to believe that few people blog here. You'd like to think
it is, what did you write, ten?"



Point is that you can not prove even ten people blog here.  One person may be
writing many times.
9:10 am est 

Psah! If Only Your Wishes Were True

You'd like to believe that few people blog here. You'd like to think it is, what
did you write, ten? That is your way to deny the real cocnerns of real
people about this town. Many are not happy. Many who work for the town are not
happy. Discontent cannot be so easily dismissed in your illusionary numbers. You
live in fantasy.
11:58 pm est 

Are You Serious? Only Ten Like the Fingers on Your Hand

Maybe that's all that you count. But you have to be kidding if you think that
only ten people blog here. You need a course in math, perhaps a litle calculus
would help. OK. Add a little statistics.

Sorry, but you just can't count.
11:56 pm est 

Re: Sharon Lynn Looking at Key West

Oh, Please, Sharon Take the Job in Key West--or At Least apply

That would be terrific. Great to throw a party saying "goodbye" to you. Maybe,
then, we could have an objective, unbiased, and un-skewed search of ra new town
manager. This one was surely rigged. and look at the results.

I'd love to write a great recommendation for you. Please, don't hesitate, apply!
11:54 pm est 

Re: Library

Look up the definition of antagonistic...Maybe you should be looking up the
word" ignorant" as she was to them and several others who were there and could
not believe how she was speaking..

11:52 pm est 

Re: Library

No I wasn't there.  Don't know nothing about it.  Posting wasn't based
on fact nor did I sign my name.  From what I've seen on this blog, both are
permitted.

11:51 pm est 

Re: Library

"I resent the accusation that people are looking to "smear" the library
director. . ."



Perhaps not all are involved in a smear campaign but I know for a fact of one
ex-employee who is doing everything possible to bring down the director.  That
person's actions diminish the rest of you who may or may not have a point.

But, I'll be honest, I don't really care.  Libraries are so '20 years ago'. I'm
surprised we waste so much money on the library.  Ever hear of Kindle or the
Internet?
11:49 pm est 

Water Main
 

"1) 40 years is a relatively new water main!  Go to Google and check it
out. The life expectancy of a water main in 100 to 150 years depending on the
material used. Examples below......"


If, this is true, why didn't you speak up at town meeting?

I have to ask.  Neither of those cities mentioned had a water main that was
below sea level and subject to salt water.  Wouldn't that make a difference?
11:47 pm est 

"Vitriolic"?

Please.  If you are so hot and bothered by the blog, by
all means, donate the time you spend on the blog insulting others who blog to a
charity instead.  You will be vitrolically missed.  This is a forum and we are
lucky someone bothers to take the time to enable others to use it so haphazardly
and anonymously.  Agree or disagree, that is the beauty.  Thank you
blogmaster/s.

signed

Blog fanboys and fangirls
11:45 pm est 

Sunday, January 22, 2012

Re: Water Main and Street Repair

1) 40 years is a relatively new water main!  Go to Google and check it out. The
life expectancy of a water main in 100 to 150 years depending on the material
used. Examples below

2) Which vendor spoke isn't what is relevant, but instead that our DPW got it so
wrong. It's their job to know this stuff!

3) I remembered a $1,000,000 allocation but given Lynn's record of cost overruns
$800,000  will be bumped to a million soon enough. Point taken however to vote
was $800,000.



2 examples of water main useful life:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/water-main-break-floods-section-of-tribeca/
City officials said the pipe ruptured due to old age. Cast iron, particularly
after many years of freeze and thaw cycles and street vibrations, will break if
not replaced, said  the commissioner of the Department of Environmental
Protection. While we got almost 140 years usage out of it, its old and
eventually they break and thats what happened in this case.


http://www.phila.gov/water/fact_sheets.html

Eventually, the condition of the water main and its surroundings lead to cracks,
joint failures or more serious breaks. This could happen after 200 years; most
often it happens after 100 years, but sometimes within only 50 years. Ideally, a
main would be repaired or replaced before it completely fails.
7:09 pm est 

Re: Library

Really.. were you there?  Or is this an assumption?
6:47 pm est 

Sharon Lynn Looking at Key West ?

The City of Key West is starting its search for a new City
Commissioner. I think our Town Manager should apply. She would surely get it
when they look at all her Ptown successes. A big bonus: no vitrolic spineless
blog like this one in the Conch Republic and a lot more money!
6:45 pm est 

Re: Library

I resent the accusation that people are looking to "smear" the library
director. These are people who care about the library, have been active there
for years, made generous donations, and volunteered lots of time. All we want is
our library back and a committed and decent person to be in charge.

MANY of us have been to see the library director in person. Many of us have
talked to the trustees. Many of us have even spoken to the town manager. This
has been going on for more than a year. We don't know what else to do.

The director could not be less welcoming or less willing to make things better
with those who are upset. She doesn't hesitate to turn on her heels and walk
away from you when you are trying to talk to her. She doesn't hesitate to
completely ignore and refuse to speak to those she decides to dislike. Her job
is to serve the people of this town, and the only person she is serving is
Sharon Lynn and herself.  She identifies her enemies, and she already has lots
of them, and she will be relentlessly hostile and mean. That's exactly what she
did to the new trustee who quit. She was threatened by her and succeeded in
forcing her out.

The town manager actually told me that she hasn't received complaints. This is a
outrageous lie. I know of at least six people who have met with or written to
her about this. The TM is in over her head on this one, too.

The chair of the trustees actually said in the newspaper about the director,
"She's doing a fantastc job". Yep, fantastic. Just look in the little round
window into the director's office. You wouldn't believe the mess--not just a
messy desk, but utter chaos everywhere, stuff piled up the walls, unbeleivable.

What is really amazing is that so many of you want to believe that we are
trouble makers making things up to "smear' an innocent person. What if we are
good and honest people who care about the town and the library and don't know
what else to do? No one in charge will listen to us. No one should be made to
feel unwelcome in the library, yet many of us do.

The town manager will continue to protect her friends and partner. But it is
only a matter of time before something happens that reveals the real problem.
And you will then think of us "smearers" and realize that we knew even more than
were saying out loud. If you knew all that we know, you would know that we could
really do a smear job if that was our mission. But we don't want to harm her, we
just don't want her to be running our library.
6:41 pm est 

Re: Library

"I believe the officers were antagonistic"



What? Police officers who feel they are always right?  Unheard of.

6:37 pm est 

Re: Library

I believe the officers were antagonistic to the library director, if I
were her I would have reacted the sam way.
4:50 pm est 

Re: "But Here, I Hear"

Sorry to burst your bubble, but until this blog requires bloggers to log in to
post or sign their names to post it's just a gossip board with unhappy people
who don't have the courage to identify themselves.

I suspect there may be at most ten people who blog here.
4:48 pm est 

Re: What is Going on at Town Hall

"Seems something's amiss there. Seems there's no energy no enthusiam.
the days of Sharon Lynn smiling through the halls and stopping by at departments
.  .  ."



Hmmm, how would you react if you worked endless hours for the town and get
ripped by know-it-alls on this board?  People who are rooting for you to fail
and question your every move?  Sharon's a better person than me cause I'd tell
you all to go to XXXX and leave this inbred town as fast as I could.
4:47 pm est 

Banner/Shout Out

I Read the Banner but that does not tell me  much. I don't know about
you, but if that is all I knew about town politics, I would not know much. But
here, I hear.
2:41 pm est 

Thanks for the Information

I get much of my information from this blog. I see concern for this town and
that I applaud. I also appreciate criticism and problems that many see. These
perspectives help so much to know what is happening behind closed doors and
inside town offices. I appreciate those who blog here.
2:39 pm est 

Re: Library

The library staff is not out to smear the library
director, rather she is out to turn the library into a big city library and/or
destroy it. She has harassed two staff members (including the assistant
director) into resigning, and several other staff members wish they could afford
to leave because the director has made the place so miserable to work at.  SHe
has a couple favorite staff who she gets to do more work and she insults other
staff members and taking work away from them--it's almost as if she had an
agenda before she came here and prejudged the staff before she met any of them. 
She buys lots of material for the children (and how many kids does this town
have and come to the library?) and buys almost nothing for the adults--people
have noticed how empty our new books shelves are and commented on that and are
leaving our library to go over to Truro and Wellfleet for new books.  She spies
on her staff and patrons and has used the cameras to keep tabs on people and get after those she doesn't think are doing work or what she wants.  She is rude to and insults
people and a lot of people, including long time townies and patrons, won't come
around the library because she's made it too unfriendly. 

Neither she nor Sharon Lynn really care about the library or the staff or patrons
and won't listen to anyone, and the director will just talk her way out of any hint
of wrong doing.  She also doesn't know how to use the computer system that our
library and the rest of the CLAMS libraries use and thus makes a lot of mistakes
and costs the library money and time. 

She should be sent back to Detroit where she came from and someone who is
competent and familiar with the Cape should be hired instead of some big city
librarian, and someone who knows how to deal with people rather than offending,
insulting and harassing staff and patrons.
2:38 pm est 

Re: Library

I don't know the library director, but if you have a problem with her,
go talk to her.  Your remarks are hurtful and show a very poor side of a
person's nature. It's obvious you are angry, but you are coming across if you
are getting some strange satisfaction picking on someone that doesn't even know
who you are. Communicate with her and please don't say she doesn't return calls. 
I am sure if you walk over and see her and civilly air your concerns, you may
get a positive response to why things aren't the way you want them. Here is not
the place to reiterate incessantly. Lv, the librarian's fan boys
2:32 pm est 

People Write for Information...

..and if they write here and give a fact or two and it is not correct, it is not
because they intend to mislead. Some write what they know and others can offer
new information or help add different interpretations. That does not
mean--people are purposefully writing to mislead.

Here you are so wrong, so misdirected. You may not like this blog--but I'm
glad it's here and so do many others. We can at least state how we feel about so
many things that are wrong if not even illegal in this town. This is one place town
hall does not control!
2:31 pm est 

What is Going on at Town Hall?

Seems something's amiss there. Seems there's no energy no enthusiam. the days of
Sharon Lynn smiling through the halls and stopping by at departments to show
her smile have disappeared. Maybe now the fangs have shown up. something's not
good at the heart of Town Hall.
2:27 pm est 

Paying For the Work/Plowing on Route 6 is a Mistake

We should have never taken this over. Oh, yes, there were secret plans for route 
6 and they still show up as in the new police station. Not an accident it is
tied to Route 6. sharon may not have negotiated the deal--but she has done
little to mitigate its negative impact.
2:24 pm est 

Re: Library

The Library director Was What Was Left

After others refused to accept the position. She was the loser that they hired
because they needed someone. She was not the first choice and now she shows her
true colors. We would be better without a library director until the right one
came along.
2:22 pm est 

Re: Water Main

 ". .Of AECON, and a long report from the Finance Committee each said
we needed to borrow and spend  $1 Million to replace the relatively new water
main . .  ."


Fact check time - can you quote anything that said $1 Million?  Nope, it was
never a $1 Million project.  Never was.

Fact check tine - relatively new?  I guess it depends on your definition of
'relatively new'.  I don't define something that is over 40 years old as
relatively new.
2:20 pm est 

Re: Library

You're right... The director was very ignorant to the officers there and she
went so far as to try and get them in trouble..  Thank God there were others who
know the truth!
2:17 pm est 

Water Main

Whoever wrote this:

"The original bid went out in late fall early winter and the bids came back more
expensive than what was voted on at TM in the Spring. Therefore another bid
process ensued with the scope of work changed to only replace water main from
Freeman St. to The Post office..."


Thank You!! That was the point of my original  post and the one Sharon's Boys
ripped me about...  They are in over their head if they think they can do from
Johnson to Atlantic when they can actually only do Freeman to Post Office. It's
a huge miss in estimating. And that miss isn't from some rant here, but instead
from the group of town employees who are paid to know this stuff!!!

signed, pathetic indeed
2:08 pm est 

Re: Library

You call it smear, i call it concerned and  unhappy with her..
obviously she is good to
2:06 pm est 

Town Government-Water Mains & Street Repair

. . .want to know why the change!!! And as far as I can tell it's not
on any hearings posted on PTV.


I'm not the biggest fan of the DPW administration, but they give regular
updates to the board of selectmen at their Monday meetings.  As a matter of fact
the next update is to the BOS on 1/23 at 5pm.  The contract for the water main
is on the agenda as is the Commercial Street project update.

That's this Monday.  If it really is important to you go to the meeting, watch
it on TV or e-mail your comments to a BOS member or the BOS Secretary.
2:01 pm est 

Water Main

First off. AECOM has nothing to do with the water main and they did not speak at
town meeting for or against the replacement of the main.  AECOM is waste water
only. And from what I remember, we voted for $800,000 not a million and the
water main was going to be replaced under the new pavement which we received a
grant for. The length of the replacement was always going to be as far in each
direction as the grant allowed. I recall that it could go from Johnson Street to
Atlantic, but could be longer or shorter depending on how the bids came in.
1:55 pm est 

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Re: Out of Her Depth

Route 6?


From a previous post...

"How in the world is this town gonna be able to plow the seashore when
it couldn't even handle plowing the state rd sharon had bargained for...what is
sharon thinking."


If you are referring to Rte 6, Sharon didn't do any of the bargaining for the
highway.  That was Bergman and was needed for the leeching fields.  And the town
does not pave route 6. It is paved and sanded by the state because they have the
larger trucks for such roads. They send us a bill for the work. It's all in the
itemized budget and is fully discussed at the hearings with the Selectmen and
Fincomm.

This blog is so full of trash talk with no concern for discernible facts.
6:06 pm est 

Re: Out of Her Depth

Water Main

The original bid went out in late fall early winter and the bids came back more
expensive than what was voted on at TM in the Spring. Therefore another bid
process ensued with the scope of work changed to only replace water main from
Freeman St. to The Post office rather than the original plan of Johnson St to
Court St right past Spiritus. You would think that SL and DG, DPW and or the BOS
would update the public via newspaper reports and or contacting local business
organizations of the delay and change in scope of the work. That is what
pro-active town government entities should do. That did not occur in this
instance, the new bids were opened and Mr Our is awarded the contract and will
be "official" on Monday 1/23/12. This project will be squeezed into 3 short
months, we have lost 30 days already and it will be a difficult project with
significant disruption to downtown. Some things will never change but look at
the bright side when they put temporary paving down prior to!
  May 15 it can NOT be driven on for 3 days, so the downtown will be "closed"
for 3 days to vehicular traffic. How will business' receive their deliveries???
It will be logistically challenging, I hope the contractor schedules a public
meeting right after they are awarded the contract.
6:03 pm est 

Re: Library

Employees, both past and current continue their smear campaign against
th library director.  Guess what?  It's not working, from what I hear the powers
that be realize what it is and are firm in their support.
5:37 pm est 

Re: Questionable Town Govenment Procedures

You say:
"..this blog hopes for the worst in this town so they can then point out the
ineptness or shortcomings of those in a position of authority in this town. 
Kind of pathetic"


I say:

Huh?? You should go to Town Meeting!! The Town Manager, Director of DPW, a rep
Of AECON, and a long report from the Finance Committee each said we needed to
borrow and spend  $1 Million to replace the relatively new water main under the
new pavement on Commercial Street.Several Commercial Street business joined in
and made it an overwhelming vote.

You say I am pathetic for quoting that cast of characters and you are probably
right. But they persuaded me to vote yes, and now I want to know why the
change!!! And as far as I can tell it's not on any hearings posted on PTV.
5:35 pm est 

Re: Library

You are right i do not like her at the library,i think she is crazy
with mood swings and continually crys foul play to the town manager..lousy town
mangement come and go in this town constantly and do alot of damage to the
people here...i think someone in that position needs to have alot of love and
compassion for the people who go there or work there and someone who is capable
of turning our new library into something for everyone to enjoy..she is wrong
for that job
4:21 pm est 

Re: Out of Her Depth

How in the world is this town gonna be able to plow the seashore when
it couldn't even handle plowing the state rd sharon had bargained for...what is
sharon thinking
4:19 pm est 

Re: Library

The present director is often friendly to people out on
the street but is frequently rude to the same people and a lot of patrons in the
library, both men  and women; she is driving patrons away from the library for
many reasons including the fact that she has made the atmosphere unfriendly and
the fact that she's not ordering new books for adults (patrons are going over to
Truro and Wellfleet to look for new books, not to our library),
4:18 pm est 

Re: Out of Her Depth

"How long until will have pull up the new pavement to repair the old
water mains?"


Some posters (perhaps many) on this blog hope for the worst in this town so they
can then point out the ineptness or shortcomings of those in a position of
authority in this town.  Kind of pathetic
4:15 pm est 

Re: Out of Her Depth

The vote at Town Meeting was to replace the water main, in the areas that will be repaved. Why the change? Why ignore Town Meeting (again)? How long until will have pull up the new pavement to repair the old water mains?

More inept than I thought before.
1:34 pm est 

Re: Out of Her Depth

Water main replacement is Freeman St to Post office, paving project stays the same.

Some of the posters here are inept and in over their heads.
1:27 pm est 

Re: Out of Her Depth

" I suggest you go back to where ever you think you read this and re-read it. The length of the paving project is unchanged."


The notice is in the Banner, on the town website and at the top of this page. And for the record, the very first announcement from the Town Manager was from Johnson Street to Whorf Ct. but was shortened from Whorf to Atlantic at Town Meeting in regard to the Water Main Article.
1:25 pm est 

Questionable Town Government Procedures

1) It has been pointed out that the Town Bylaws (not charter) require a 50% vote for secret ballot.

2) all compensation questions are required to be decided by secret ballot. (recent votes have been out of order here?)

2) Massachusetts Moderators' Association notes it is unethical to recognize a motion to call the question when speakers are waiting at the microphone. Likewise, the Moderator is obligated not to allow debate to drag beyond the will of the majority even if the minority wishes more time. Bottom line: It's a question of judgement, therefore Provincetown, we are out of luck.
1:15 pm est 

Re: Library

"Honestly as i have said before on here, that the new woman at the
library is so rude and definately does not like men . . ."


She's been nothing but pleasant to me every time I have talked to her and I'm a
man.  Guess it depends on how you talk to her, try treating people the way you
want to be treated.  You obviously want her gone, ya think that shows up in the
way you talk to her?
11:39 am est 

Re: Out of Her Depth

"It sounds like the Commercial Street repaving project is going from
Freeman Street to the Post Office. When the Federal Grant was announced it was
Johnson Street to Atlantic Street. We matched funds to replace the water main on
that stretch of Commercial Street.

This is a much shorter project now and shows just how inept our DPW is.
The  Town Manager is in so far over her head she doesn't even know it
."


I suggest you go back to where ever you think you read this and re-read it.  The
length of the paving project is unchanged.

Your 'facts' to prove how inept DPW is are not true.
Your wish to blame town manager has no basis in fact.
What is a fact is that you can't get you facts straight.
11:37 am est 

Library
 
Two or three weeks ago I witnessed rude behaviour by the Librarian towards 3
police officers. She even did her best to get rid of the custodian. Yet nothing
is ever done. A matter of fact, if everyone only knew how the town manager
handled the incident involving the officers, you all would be appalled. So
incase any of you are wondering, the librarian is good friends with the town
manager and that's why nothing will ever be done, we are all waisting our time
blogging here about her including me. One of the best ways people can deliver a
message is to convince others not to go there and maybe eventually the light at
the end of the tunnel will go on even though I doubt it.
11:35 am est 

Non-resident Homeowners Carry Provincetown's Water

"The non-resident homeowners have to pay $70k of the costs and they
have no say in it.  It's not a bad deal for the rest of us!"



Great point, it's like we are getting a 70% matching grant for everything.
11:33 am est 

Friday, January 20, 2012

Library Director

Honestly as i have said before on here, that the new woman at the
library is so rude and definately does not like men and honestly i dont see her
doing anything good there..i dont even think they have a childrens program,years
ago they even had a summer reading program for all kids..get rid of her
now...another one collecting her pay and sliding by doing nothing...
8:58 pm est 

Library Donation

Would the Board of Library Trustees not have sent a thank you letter to the
person who made the donation and would the partner of which the donation was
made not have received a thank you as well.

It's a common sense out of respect and proper etiquette and the polite thing to
do - send a thank you from the Library.

They must be too busy looking to see what employee they can agitate next.
8:56 pm est 

Out of Her Depth
It sounds like the Commercial Street repaving project is going from Freeman
Street to the Post Office. When the Federal Grant was announced it was Johnson
Street to Atlantic Street. We matched funds to replace the water main on that
stretch of Commercial Street.

This is a much shorter project now and shows just how inept our DPW is.

The Town Manager is in so far over her head she doesn't even know it.


8:54 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

Housing scam for sure:

The unit on Old Ann Page rented to a single woman with three bedrooms.  How can
that be allowed?  How does 1 person qualify for a three bedroom?  Oh because she
sub leases two bedrooms to pay for her rent....  Of course, no one ever checks
to see and no one follows up on income standards so thats how it works.. 
Meantime, there are families who have been waiting and have been told..  there
is nothing we can do about it, she qualified for three bedroomd at the time and
now she only needs one we can't put her out!  That is wrong....  That should be
a standard qualification before they even move in..
8:52 pm est 

Re: Town Moderator

".......who will foster an environment of civil debate, encourage
attendance and make sure all voices are heard."



So you want the moderator to decide whether the debate should continue instead
of the attendees at town meeting?  Seriously?  You really think that is a good
idea?

The moderator would decide when it's appropriate to end debate?  I'm sure those
of you who think your opinion is the most valuable opinion would prefer one of
your 'friends' act as moderator.  The rest of us, not so much.
8:50 pm est 

Re: Duane

I was saddened to see Duane Gregory's name impugned on this scandal sheet.  I
always was told its in poor taste to speak ill of the dead, when they are not
around to defend themselves..

As to the tearing down of 170 Bradford Street, Ms Gregory had nothing to do with
that, and in fact labored for several years to find a buyer willing to work with
the existing structure.

The property owners had Inspections of the property by a builder and an
engineer, both of whom concluded that the building was unsafe as well as framed
according to long out dated codes.  The foundation needed to be totally replaced
and the building was riddled with mould.

Of course Im sure the crass letter writer who accused Duane
of engineering the buildings destruction will ascribe all
of this to some dastardly conspiracy between Sharon Lynn and
the Building Commissioner and the developer!
8:48 pm est 

Re: Town Moderator...

when the question is called, you have the chance to plead your case for more
debate.. maybe some of us who have done our homework don't want people droning
on and on...   I don't mean to sound insensitive but there are times when people
get up to speak and don't even know what they are talking about... once when
someone who had been standing at the mic was called upon, he said "oh Uh i am
sorry i forgot what were we talking about"  so yes I would prefer the question
to be called than waste time...

8:47 pm est 

Government Operation On-Line

All the following meetings can be watched online! Also included in the
shortcut list is a link to the town site for agendas- Be informed!


Board of Selectmen Meetings
http://www.provincetowntv.org/town-government/board-of-selectmen/
Agendas:
http://provincetown-ma.gov/Archive.aspx?AMID=44

Finance Committee Meetings
http://www.provincetowntv.org/town-government/finance-committee/
Agendas:
http://provincetown-ma.gov/index.aspx?NID=186

Zoning Board
http://www.provincetowntv.org/town-government/zoning-board/
Agendas:
http://provincetown-ma.gov/index.aspx?NID=207

Historic District Commission
http://www.provincetowntv.org/town-government/historic-district-commission/
Agendas:
http://provincetown-ma.gov/index.aspx?NID=191

Planning Board
http://www.provincetowntv.org/town-government/planning-board/
Agendas:
http://provincetown-ma.gov/index.aspx?NID=199

Licensing Board
http://www.provincetowntv.org/town-government/licensing-board/
Agendas:
http://provincetown-ma.gov/index.aspx?NID=196

Board of Health Meetings
http://www.provincetowntv.org/town-government/board-of-health-meetings/
Agendas:
http://provincetown-ma.gov/index.aspx?NID=189

Provincetown Public Pier Corp. Meetings
http://www.provincetowntv.org/town-government/provincetown-public-pier-corp-meetings/

8:45 pm est 

Re: Town Moderator

The town moderator runs the meetings according to the established
guideline.  I have NEVER seen her do ANYTHING that is questionable. Please do
not shed any doubt upon her integrity and character. She has done an honest job
and her civic responsibility should stand as an example. Love, Irene's Fan Boys.
8:43 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting Procedures

Town meeting should be eliminated.  It's discriminatory.  Mr. Mendes
proves the point in the Banner article.  Elderly residents are physically unable
to attend and are therefore discriminated against.  Can someone explain how this
discrimination would old up in court?
8:39 pm est 


"Cutting off debate has been used in the last three years to squash any
decision not already agreed upon by the BOS and the Finance
Committe. it used to be that you could present logical ideas . . ."



Wrong.  Case in point - Suzanne's Garden.  Both BOS and FinCom recommended a no
vote.  But, it passed.
8:37 pm est 

Totally Disagree With You

Town Meetings ought to be the place where voters have a right to speak and to
present their position. Cutting off debate has been used in the last three years
to squash any decision not already agreed upon by the BOS and the Finance
Committe. it used to be that you could present logical ideas for your own
position and sway other voters. Now, its' only: "Call the question" even when
many others want the discussion to continue. given the priases for town
meetings, it's been based on people being able to speak and to present their
positions. Not an immediate "call the Question" to secure the votes already
secured by those in power.

This makes town meetings a mockery of democracy. It's a game some know how to
play to lessen discussion, negate outisde positions and secure the votes they
want. thus, so many poor decision at town hall and so many monies used for
frivolous and misguided actions. Look at the Library. Look at Shankpainter
affordable housing and the many Ted Malone deals done behind back doors and thus
readily passed at town meetings.
3:59 pm est 

Provincetown Library

It's nice that the library is showing videos, but some of us are
wondering what happened to the books. Contrary to what many on this blog think,
a lot of people in Ptown read and use the library to get actual BOOKS. However,
there is not much book-buying going on. Just look at the new books shelves.
Almoist empty, and very few very new. If you look on the computer listings, some
of the most important books are not being purchased by Ptown Library. The
library has not acquired even ONE of the National Book Award winners from 2011. 

I wrote the library director a very nice letter about this, but of course I
heard nothing back at all.  Unlike a former director, who would actively seek
input about what books to buy and would answer letters, e-mails, and phone calls
immediatly.

I'm also really angry about a donation I made to the library in memory of
someone who died. The check was cashed immediately, but I never receieved a
thank you and the husband of the person who died never received notification of
the donation. I called the library and left a message but (big surprise) NO
RESPONSE.

The biggest mystery of all is why the director is so protected. Why isn't she
held accountable for doing her job? Why does she hold us all in such disdain?  I
know most of you on here don't care at all about the library, but lots of other
people do. If you do care, please complain to the library board, if you can find
any of them. It's an election year for three of them, maybe they'll start paying
attention for awhile. Thanks for hearing me out.
3:55 pm est 

It's Time For a New Moderator,,,,,,,

.......who will foster an environment of civil debate,
encourage attendance and make sure all voices are heard. Yes, it's true, we all
want to be done with it and back home as soon as possible, but the railroading
of the past few meetings needs to be corrected. I don't think it's right I know
what the moderator thinks about every issue that comes up as well as her
personal opinion of most every speaker?

If we continue on this track,  we will be in the very difficult position of not
having a quorum available to pass the budget.
3:51 pm est 

Town Meeting Procedures

"We need a new Moderator.  One that's not pre-programmed
before Town Meeting to cut off debate on specific articles. Everyone needs to be
heard whether some like it or not.  .   ."


Disagree completely.  If the will of the voters is to have no additional debate
the town moderator must adhere to the will of the voters.  Some just like to
hear themselves talk and believe their opinion is SO important that everyone
must hear it.  I, for one, don't need to hear it.

Current moderator is excellent.
3:10 pm est 

Automated Parking Lot

"So now i hear they are thinking of making grace hall parkinglot
electronically,well that will be a few more town jobs eliminated.  .
  ."



What's the will of the people?  Do we want to keep jobs around so we can provide
jobs and pay unemployment during the off season or do we want the town run as
inexpensively and efficiently as possible?  If we want the town to provide jobs
then that's how we should proceed.

In a sense we have the perfect situation.  70% of our homeowners are
non-resident property owners..  If we want to continue to pay about $100k for
parking people and their unemployment we only have to pay $30k of the amount. 
The non-resident homeowners have to pay $70k of the costs and they have no say
in it.  It's not a bad deal for the rest of us !
3:06 pm est 

Re Election...

We need a new Moderator.  One that's not pre-programmed
before Town Meeting to cut off debate on specific articles. Everyone needs to be
heard whether some like it or not.  Those that don't have the option to leave.
Town Meeting may not be over in two nights but tha t's the democratic process. 
EVERYONE SHOULD BE HEARD! Heard at least once and maybe more if warranted.  The
moderators job is not to cut off discussion even if someone moves to do it,the
moderator is at liberty to deny it.
12:22 pm est 

Selectmen's Anthem?

To the tune of "please mr postman"
let's sing along :)


Oh yes, wait a minute Mister Park Man. Wait Mister Park Man Please Mister Park
Man, look and see
--Oh yea---!! If there's a seat in a jeep for me
Please, Please Mister Parkman Why's it takin' such a long time --Oh yeah-- For
me to see those shacks of mine.

refrain----
10:54 am est 

Re: Affordable Housing

AFFORDABLE HOUSING SCAM

Yes, a person who owns property in another state or mexico or abraod..I forget
which; who has traveled to Europe spending months there was able to buy an
affordable housing home while having a "store front" on commercial street all of
these years. Must be nice.

Every homeowner in town would be eligible for affordable housing if they didn't
own their own home. My income is the same: I work in the summer and I'm laid off
in the winter; thus I have a "fixed income".

There is going to be a seismic change in your lives when you move into
affordable housing because we will call you out when you work under the table;
when you leave for the winter; when you get a "roommate" and charge them market
rent.

300 folks have been able to live nice and tidy here all of their lives and now
they "need" affordable housing. I "need" a diamond necklace, so buy it for me
you taxpayers. I need to be able to feast at the delux restaurants-so pay my tax
you taxpayers. I need to live for free--so pay my rent you taxpayers.

Beware, Beware, Beware.
10:51 am est 

Re: Affordable Housing on Shankpainter

ATTENTION: AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUTURE FOUNDATION CRACKS

Provincetown is a sand spit full of marshes. The affordable housing lot is a
filled in hole!!!

You read it here first: After looking at the massive buildings built on the old
burn dump, I can assure that the foundations will be cracking in the years to
come.

This is an excavated site where contaminated land was removed creating a hole
that was then filled. This land is going to settle; and I don't care how much
pounding you did-these foundations are going to crack.

10:47 am est 

Nationl Seashore Park-Beach House

"Now the park is going to rebuild the bath houses out at Herring Cove,
no doubt close to the waters edge, you know, where all the erosion is occuring."


The National Park Service is planning to put the new bath house and associated
structures inland from the waters edge.  The structures will be built on pilings
and they will be designed so they can be moved if the rate of erosion begins to
accelerate.  There have been public meetings where the NPS requested input on
the various design options.  Here is a link to a redering of one of those
options:

http://www.bhplus.com/index.php#mi=2&pt=1&pi=10000&s=0&p=6&a=6&at=0
10:00 am est 

Re: National Seashore-DPW Excess

The bigger problem is not that we have agreed to maintain National Park Service
roadways (although that is puzzling), but that we have purchased so much DPW
equipment that we no longer have a places to put it all.

The never used beach rake is but a symbol and is just one of many purchases that
weren't needed but invented only to spend the budget one year.

The wasteful spending means our taxes/rents are too high yet have nothing in
reserve to pave the streets.
9:57 am est 

In Truth, Affordable Housing Here is Part Scam, Part Who You Are...

...and who you work for and who you sleep with. Who gets affordable housing has so
little to do with real need. It's a fabricated system meant to make developers
rich and their buddies good real estate. That's why I call it, here in this
town, a scam. We give and give town monies and tax monies to fund friends of
friends. And when they make more monies after moving in, no one inspects their
incomes and they turn their eyes in the other direction.

Enough of this, please.
11:54 pm est 

Re: $288,000 For the Automated Parking Lot?

You mis-read the number.  $288,000 is the amount currently in the parking fund. 
They first got a quote of $235k for the lot, but it included a bunch of stuff
that isn't needed.  I don't think they have a quote yet on the real costs. 
That's what I understood from watching the meeting.

As people have previously written on this blog it would be a mistake to get the
machines like they have on Ryder.  Can you imagine parking in the lot, you walk
over to pay, realize you don't know the space number, walk back to your car to
get the space #, back to the machine to pay, then back to your car again to put
the ticket on your dash.  Now that would tick people off !
11:51 pm est 

Thursday, January 19, 2012

Re: The National Seashore

To the original poster who applauded the selectmen for looking at the bigger
picture, local tax dollars will go to supporting the seashore plowing its
federal roads that do NOTHING in the off season for tourism. The seashore owns
70% of the town and pays ZERO taxes to the town for anything. They attract
hundreds of thousands of people every year to the region which creates waste in
the form of sewage, use of the precious local drinking water, trash and traffic
yet they do NOTHING to help cure the problems associated. They fought us on
expanding the dump, they deny requests to drill for more water inside the park,
they actually are thinking of decreasing the amount of road surface (going to
one lane) thus increasing the density of traffic on the remaing highway and
allowed the town zero space for leaching inside the park for the sewer system
yet you applaud the selectmen and the seashore for thier insight and good ideas?
Now the park is going to rebuild the bath houses out at!
  Herring Cove, no doubt close to the waters edge, you know, where all the
erosion is occuring. Great ideas continuously come from the feds.

Ya, right.

Keep in mind, while you can't get to work because the road outside your house
isn't plowed, rest assured the park roads are open and sanded. Oh wait, maybe we
can cure the problem by hiring more DPW personel and more equipment to dedicate
to the seashores roads. All this to keep some equipment dry. Great idea.
9:06 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

No doubt he was qualified at the time he PURCHASED the unit and since, has
become successful. Nothing in the affordable OWNERSHIP rules matter as far as
continuing to qualify as low income unlike the rules for RENTING, which
stipulates that you must continue to qualify as lower income to continue to live
in the RENTAL units. Now, if you want to OWN a unit and qualify CURRENTLY as low
income, apply for one of the units available on Henche Lane.
8:43 pm est 

Re: Parking Lot Going on Autodrive

$288,000 for the automated parking lot?  How much to train people to
use it??  Is the Police Chief pushing this one?
8:10 pm est 

Re: National Seashore

Those wondering about the Selectmen and the Park Service might want to watch the
Selectmen meeting with the Seashore officials. It's the Selectmen Meeting just
after Town Meeting and it's an
embarrassment

One Selectman asks to ride the dunes in a park service jeep but it goes downhill
from there. No talk of tourism promotion  other than selectmen only perks.
8:08 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

Re: EXPLAIN: OWNS AT SANDY HILL & HAS COMMERCIAL ST. STORE FRONT

I know exactly who you're talking about. Lot's of people have been quietly
wondering for several years about how this individual gets away with this.

I'll tell you how: nobody checks up on these things. Nobody!

That's why we have people with money getting affordable housing, people
subletting their affordable housing, able bodied HIV positive people getting
free health insurance and rent paid by the state while they rake in the bucks
working under the table, foreign workers getting green cards by marrying gays,
hundreds of people collecting unemployment every year while they travel and
party, etc., etc., etc.

Nobody checks up on these people. I've never seen so many scammers in one place
in my life.
8:03 pm est 

Re: "We're Sinking Into Financial Oblivion! Help!"
 
I think we're in better financial shape than we have been in years so I'd prefer
those public officials  who are no longer involved stay that way.  We've got a
lot of over-due maintenance on town owned property that we're going to need to
be careful about over committing. . .  But, we are in better shape than we have
been in years.  We need to keep it that way and not over-commit money.

Imagine what a great position we'd be in if past administrations had done
maintenance on town property when it should have been done !
8:00 pm est 

Parking Lot Going on Autodrive

So now i hear they are thinking of making grace hall parkinglot
electronically,well that will be a few more town jobs eliminated.even tho its
not yearround,jobs like that were created for the retired elderly of this town,
and people here surely know how to save their pennies and live on barely nothing
in the winterbut now there will beno pennies to save..geesh what a town manager
we have
7:56 pm est 

Shankpainter Rd:

I for one feel there should be strict ground rules to get into the housing.... 
None of this subleasing a room while you go away for the winter...  They should
do background checks and etc on all who apply....  What's fair is fair....

That is the only way to weed out those who try to scam...
7:53 pm est 

Construction Workers Wanted

A friend of mine who lives off cape got a call to work on the construction
projects going on here in town. Any local guys who need work should go and
apply. Keep the money in town.
12:59 pm est 

Re: Upcoming Elections......

"Where are you, Clarence,Atty. Chris,Mary Jo,Rachel,Paul or somebody
with a caring and common sense approach to the Town for all and not just a
select few."



They might start by showing up at town meeting.


12:58 pm est 

Watching Board Meetings

I Like How Watching Board Meetings on PTV Answers Specific Questions

It's a good thing to videotape these meetings. You not only know what is going
on, you get the facts about cases and see how each board or commission really
works. Plus, it's winter and with a bowl of popcorn, it's worth the watch!
12:55 pm est 

Affordable Housing

EXPLAIN: OWNS AT SANDY HILL & HAS COMMERCIAL ST. STORE FRONT

Please explain how someone can have bought at Sandy Hill (affordable housing)
own property in another part of the country; travel to Europe and have a
storefront on Commercial Street?

Anyone moving into ShankPainter low income is going under a microscope.
12:52 pm est 

The National Seashore

So the Seashore requests help from the town to clear their few miles of road on
nights and weekends and we should just say no, you're on your own.   How short
sighted can you be.

The National Seashore is, without doubt, the largest tourist attraction this
town has. It is the basis of the majority of our economy.  In the last few
years, they've rebuilt the dangerous bike trail, Moors Road, the entrance to the
Park and in the next year will begin reconstructing the bath house.  They have
also agreed to share their garage if this town ever agrees to rebuild the
dilapidated highway garage.

They're also working closely with the Bike Committee and our neighboring towns
to connect all the bike paths.

We finally have a good working relationship with them after years of acrimony
because of a certain selectmen and you're         and moaning about clearing a
few roads that our crews are already out doing.

I personally applaud our selectmen for thinking of the bigger picture.
11:03 am est 

Re: Upcoming Election ...

WE'RE SINKING INTO FINANCIAL OBLIVION!  HELP! 

Where are you, Clarence,Atty. Chris,Mary Jo,Rachel,Paul or somebody with
a caring and common sense approach to the Town for all and not just a select
few.
9:33 am est 

Why We Hate ]the Rich Affordable Housing Creators

I just posted about a guy who lives across the street from us. This is why we
hate affordable housing--it makes the developers richer. locals are locked out.
9:30 am est 

Local Resident Denied Low Income Housing

It happened again, the guy across the street must come into our office every two
weeks looking for work. I've seen him around town forever it seems.

He told us that he doesn't want to have to leave town; that he is gay and wants
to be able to go to his favorite places in town.

We asked him about the low income housing and he said that his case worker said
that he doesn't qualify.

This is why we in our office hate "affordable housing". Say what you will we
heard it from a long time local who is being forced out of town.
case closed.
9:28 am est 

Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Re: Historic District - Violations

When will it become apparent that the known penalties for violations
result in a much smaller financial wound than the cost of following the holy
(holely) bylaws???  If a penalty is awarded even at all.
10:23 pm est 

Re: Nomination Papers Available for May 1, 2012 Town Election

Why are three library board positions open? Did someone else resign? 
(like rats from a sinking ship)
10:19 pm est 

Re: Nomination Papers Available for May 1, 2012 Town Election

Candidates

I hope more people will consider running for office. Three offices seem
particularly important which poorly performing incumbents:

Selectman
Moderator
Library Board (2)
10:13 pm est 

Re: Historic District Commission

Historically in Provincetown rules have always been applied
arbitrarily and inconsistently, depending on who asked for or needed/wanted
something... Therefore the HDC is actually doing the historically correct thing
by allowing Mr V to do whatever he wants with no repercussion while making Mr X
jump through hoops... Congrats HDC
You're historically hysterically PERFECT!!!
4:25 pm est 

Re: DPW

YOU GOT IT!!
4:23 pm est 

Nomination Papers Available for May 1, 2012 Town Election

Provincetown, Massachusetts - Nomination papers for the Town of Provincetown's
Annual Town Election to be
held on Tuesday, May 1, 2012 are now available from the Office of the Town Clerk
located at Provincetown
Town Hall, 260 Commercial Street, Provincetown, MA 02657.

Any registered voter of the town shall be
eligible for election to any office, but no person shall concurrently hold more
than one elected office.  Election
to any office shall be nonpartisan.  The following offices will appear on the
ballot:

Town Moderator:
One position for a three-year term beginning May 2, 2012 to May 5, 2015.

Board of Selectmen:
One position for a three-year term beginning May 2, 2012 to May 5, 2015.

School Committee:
Two positions for a three-year term beginning May 2, 2012 to May 5, 2015.

Board of Library Trustees:
Two positions for a three-year term beginning May 2, 2012 to May 5, 2015.

One position for a two-year term beginning May 2, 2012 to May 6, 2014.

Charter Enforcement Commission:
Two positions for a three-year term beginning May 2, 2012 to May 5, 2015.

Housing Authority:
One position for a five-year term beginning May 2, 2012 to May 2, 2017.


Election packets for candidates are available from the Provincetown Town Clerk's
Office.  The last day for a
candidate to obtain nomination papers is 5 p.m. on Thursday, March 8, 2012. 
Nomination papers must then be
filed with the Town Clerk before 5 p.m. on Tuesday, March 13, 2012.  For
additional information please contact
Town Clerk Doug Johnstone at 508.487.7013.
4:21 pm est 

Re: Historic District Commission - Fence

The issue is not about the fence or the front door at 46 comm. perse.
The issue is about fairness and consistency.
10:25 am est 

Re: Historict District Commission - Fence

The fence at the corner of pleasant and Bradford never had a
Permit or hdc review. The owners got caught for the obvious
Reasons,apon appearing before the board,the owners claimed
It was a very expensive fence and claimed hardship if it needed to
Be removed.

The owners previously had received building/hdc
Approval for the house renovation,but claimed they weren't
Aware of permits for fencing???

The board caved and let the wrought iron fenc stay,even though it breaks
All the guidelines.

This was all on provincetown tv.
10:23 am est 

Questions Concerning Town Government

How did the selectmen (specifically Bedard) vote on the DPW taking on park
service expenses?

The Selectmen between town meetings the selectmen have taken on at least three
incremental expenses with out a specific FinCom or Town Meeting vote

1) DPW- Seashore Road Maintenance

2) Transfer of 1 or maybe 1.5 FTEs from the Pier Corporation to the Provincetown
Police Department

3) Adult education classes (with an assist from a School Board and a
Superintendent desperately trying to become relevant)
10:18 am est 

Re: Contract Out Municipal Services

Wow..i saw 2 people sitting on the park benches downtown enjoying the
nice weather..just think many years ago there would have been all sorts of walks
of life bustling about in ptown....where have all the people gone..long time
passing...why dont we just contract the whole town out...
8:45 am est 

Re: Historic District Commission - Fence

This is funnier, almost, than the Republican debates.  It's in the HD,
no it clearly isn't.  Well, which one is it?  It's a stupid fence, who cares. 
And for your information, "abomination" was a compliment.  Are there no more
serious issues to discuss?
8:43 am est 

DPW

Is Lynn saying taxpayers are taking on added expenses of plowing Federal
property and streets so the never used beach rake can be kept in a garage? Does
this include the garaging of the never used/never will be used recycling
equipment?


8:40 am est 

Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Re: Historic District Commission

The house on the corner of Bradford and Pleasant with the iron fence
is without any doubt in the Historic District. Clearly the historic district map
verifies this.
6:19 pm est 

Re: Historic District Commission

Re:The house on the corner of Bradford & Pleasant Streets is not in 
     the historic district.

Please check the map at this site:

http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=200

All houses that abut Bradford street are in the district.  Some that are one
house back may not be in the district.
4:06 pm est 

Historic District Commission Fence Policy
 
Here's the last paragraph of the policy adopted by the commission on 1/25/06.
Note the word "iron" in the first sentence.

"The HDC recommends repair and retention of original wooden or iron fencing
whenever possible. Fences that are compatible with the style of the building
strengthen the historic character of the district. Examples of appropriate styles
can still be found at many properties today and in historic photographs of the town.
Chain link, synthetic material, concrete block, or stockade style fences will not
be approved."
3:53 pm est 

Re: Historic District Commission

The house on the corner of Bradford & Pleasant Streets is not in the
historic district.
3:47 pm est 

Re: Historic District Commission

A Fence Might be Constructed Without Knowledge that it Requries HDC
Approval:

Then there is the difficult decision to make. sometimes residents may have to
modify or take down a fence. At other times, an undertanding board might allow
what is up to stay up. Seems to involve the perception of intent and some trust
that people just did not know the rules. or so it seems.


3:43 pm est 

Re: Historic District Commission

By now anyone with half a brain should know that the hdc is all about
inconsistency... One person isnt allowed a type of fence or window while others 
are allowed to tear down and cheaply replace historic structures at will... Then
those who made money from a given project come on this site and blow smoke all
over the wonderful addition to the neighborhood the comPletely NONHISTORIC new
building is... Of course this same person will suddenly get all bent out of
shape over another's choice of fence. The difference is that tearing down one
historic structure makes lots of moolah for some so it's all not just okay but
is actually celebrated as a victory ... But oh no! If another much less
prominent structure is torn down by another not so well connected builder or
friend of the mypacc webmaster then that project and person is pilloried here
for having destroyed a neighborhood or constructed a fire hazard ... Guess it
really is about who you know or who you blow.
In short:
Bangs Street equals abomination and gets a special outraged section on this site
but 170 Bradford (ie Disney land) is just the best thing ever and aren't we
lucky to have  such caring people saving the town for all the rest of us.
This town can really suck sometimes and some foolish here are so slippery they
will never get what's coming to them
Untill Judgement Day of course... As we've seen, it can come quicker than you
think
3:32 pm est 

DPW/Seashore Pact

http://www.wickedlocal.com/truro/news/x713192775/Provincetown-Seashore-agree-to-swap-services#axzz1jfoUnpcc

What a bad idea. The town will now have the resposibility to pay the drivers,
pay for the sand and salt, maintain the trucks and fuel and be responsible for
the roads that serve the National park in the town. All this for a space in a
garage the seashore isn't even using due to cut backs. Great. The long term
costs are going to out cost the idea of building a new shed at the DPW. What a
dumb idea this is. And yes, that means priority will go to the airport while the
rest of the town waits to have the roads plowed. Good thinking once again guys!!
1:19 pm est 

Re: Contracted Services

I'm the one who suggested contracting out janitor services. One thing
I've learned, when private citizens such as myself make recommendations to the
Town and many of my recommendations have been adopted, there is no
acknowledgement of where the idea came from. It's annoying for others to get the
credit for sure. But I stay focused on the bigger picture: for the good of the
Town.

Keep the ideas flowing and pass them along to Town and State officials who can
effect change!

Also, there has been some constructive recommendations on the new face book
page: Provincetown Community


1:09 pm est 

Re: Historic District Commission-Fences

The last fence explanation seems to be quite comprehensive, so thank
you. But everything that was described puts the iron fence around the house on
the corner of Bradford and Pleasant across from Tips for Tops'n in violation..
its height, placement and materials all wrong. How did they get away with it in
the Historic District?
8:53 am est 

Monday, January 16, 2012

Answer to a Question

Historic District Commision oversees and regulates fences. Fences, in the
Historic district, must be constructed of wood, picket style and no higher than
4 feet in front of a building. Fences on the the sides of a building can be
higher but must begin be ten feet back from the front of property line and then
be constructed no higher than six feet high.

Hope this helps.
10:52 pm est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

"Don't count your chickens before they hatch either buddy, that's why
the Unions have Union Presidents, Unions Rep's . . ."


All bridges got burned when he sent the e-mail, union can't defend it.
8:36 pm est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

"Backed up grates, vomit in the cells, blood and spit on the walls.... 
Cells need to be closed off due to contamination...   Good luck with that!"



You folks do realize we live in Provincetown, don't you?  Do you think the jail
cells are packed most of the year?  Not even close.
8:32 pm est 

Hawthorne Barn - Artists Studio

I WOULD THINK THERE IS A MONITORING SYSTEM IN PLACE BY A SPECIFIC TOWN BOARD OR
GROUP THAT THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO REPORT TO AND BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO ON WHO
IS USING THE SPACE FOR THE DATES AUTHORIZED AS VOTED AT TOWN MEETING.
8:15 pm est 

Police Station Janitorial Position

Don't know much about custodial tasks at the police station but one would think
this position cleans up after the prisioners as well as other duties.

How would this position work if this individual is to take up residence in other
buildings as well?  Would the other custodians in the Library, Community Center
and Grace Gouveia Building also be performing janitor duties in the police
station when the now police station custodian is on vacation, out sick or in
another building or will the police personnel on duty clean up?

What happens now in the evenings when people are locked up and are drunk and get
sick?  Who cleans it up?  Is the custodian called in or does it wait until the
next day smelling up the cell areas.  Does the position now have split hours
working so many hours during the day and returning in the evening?
8:11 pm est 

Hawthorne Barn et al Conflicts of Interests

"I agree this is a serious matter and I too think it is treated in to a
cavalier fashion in this town. People are breaking state and town rules
when they fail to recuse themselves."



And?  Will you be the one to hire the private attorney at premium cost to put a
stop to it?   That's what I thought.  And thus the force grows stronger with
each town board approval young grasshopper.
8:08 pm est 

Re: Contracted Services

"The poster that suggested contracted services had an excellent idea."

This is an excellent idea, but one that will probably never happen.  Have you
seen the screaming from trying to take a janitor position and putting it in the
correct union?  Of course on this blog it may be only one or two anonymous
people writing the blogs, but as a previous poster wrote folks are all about
reducing staff and costs until you actually try to do it.
5:43 pm est 

Re: Police Station Janitor:

A janitor position should never have been in the police union.  It's
why the police union won't dispute the change.
5:38 pm est 

Police Station Janitor:

Perhaps the same individuals who cut the position will be the ones who clean up! 
What a mess this is going to be.....

Backed up grates, vomit in the cells, blood and spit on the walls....  Cells
need to be closed off due to contamination...   Good luck with that!

Not a job for me...
3:42 pm est 

Police Station Janitor:

So you're telling me             only works 20hrs per week...  I don't think
so!  He has 20 at Grace Gouveia and 20 elsewhere..  Get your facts together....
3:38 pm est 

Glad to See the Well-done and Well-built Building at 170 Bradford

It is well-done and I believe it has already improved the streetscape of the
neighborhood. It looks great and thanks to the HDC on this decision. I may not
always agree with all your decisions, but this one was solid.
3:36 pm est 

Contracted Services Savings

The poster that suggested contracted services had an excellent idea. I am
certain that if you look  around there are many functions of town departments
that could be contracted out. (snow plowing, ditch digging, cath basin cleaning,
typing, shredding, janitorial, ect..) Also, a great deal could be saved by
regionalizing, police,public works, schools, communications, library,
inspectional services, regional harbor masters, public health, animal control,
ect... The savings in benefits, like health care and vacation and personal time
and paid holidays, clothing allowances ect... would be huge.
3:35 pm est 

Re: Police Janitor

"On this issue of the union, why shouldn't he fight for his job to
remain as is, after all he has paid into that union for 25 years. . ."


""Not gonna happen, accept it and move on.""



Don't count your chickens before they hatch either buddy, that's why the Unions
have Union Presidents, Unions Rep's and Union Attorney's to protect people like
the Janitor from people like the Chief of Police and Town Manager.
3:33 pm est 

RIP Duane,..........

......but I for one am not sorry that 170 Bradford will be the
final " brokering of any deals" done by you.

170 should have been saved regardless of how much you like the Disney version of
olde cape cod they have slapped up so quickly
1:51 pm est 

Re: Historic District Commission

Fencing needs a building permit,plus a historic decision if you
Lie in the historical distric.i have seen many owner just put up the
Fence and then when caught,claim a hardship to the town boards.
Look at the fence on the corner of Bradford and pleasant,to high and
No permits.they claimed a hardship due to the cost of taking the fence
Down and the original cost.the town caved and let it stand.
1:48 pm est 

Re: Police Janitor

We should contract out janitor services! That way we don't have to be
burdened with insurance, pensions and unions!
1:45 pm est 

Re: Police Janitor

"On this issue of the union, why shouldn't he fight for his job to
remain as is, after all he has paid into that union for 25 years. . ."


Not gonna happen, accept it and move on.
1:43 pm est 

Police Janitor

I would hope that some might undertsand that the current janitor at the police
station is being asked to leave a building he has done his best to "keep an
old/used building looking new" for 25 years.

Then the Chief and Town Manager are considering him to return there for x-amount
of hours at $4,000 less to not only clean the building he was in but to clean
another one as well. Not sure how that works.

I am not so sure this is or needs to be about wether he is or is not in the
union. Never have I heard of a position in this police station being eliminated
while a human body is still there and actively working, however I have seen and
heard when someone does leave a position there, that position is not filled for
awhile.

On this issue of the union, why shouldn't he fight for his job to remain as is,
after all he has paid into that union for 25 years. I say let him finish his
last years that he has for retirement and then make the neccessary changes but
to cut bis throat the way they are, "is simply wrong".
12:28 pm est 

Historic District Commission

I don't know if fences are regulated by the historic comm. but if you
can put a plastic door on a house in the historic district like 46 Commercial
you can do anything.
12:22 pm est 

Re: Hawthorne Barn

Do I Agree? Yes, Yes, Yes

"Conflict of interests need to be addressed on town boards. This is not a casual
matter yet it seems to be treated that way. Oh, we all know each other and so
there really isnat any true conflict is often said. Wrong, wrong, wrong. this is
about any possible gain by sitting on a case. If someone is a broker and there
is some financial gian, they must recuse themselves. If the case involves any
abutter, the member must recuse himself or herself."


I agree this is a serious matter and I too think it is treated in to a cavalier fashion
in this town. People are breaking state and town rules when they fail to recuse
themselves.
12:20 pm est 

Re: Hawthorne Barn

Is Stephen still on the historic board?
10:39 am est 

Re: Hawthorne Barn-

Has the grant been issued yet or not? if it hasn't,it should be recinded. T
10:17 am est 

Plastic Fence at 40 Bradford St.?

This PVC fence is really offensive. Did Historic Committee approve? I haven't
been on this blog for a few months, so I'm sorry if this is repetitive.
10:13 am est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

why shouldnt the janitor be in the police union, just think of all
that vomit ...blood and overflowing toilets and spit he must have to clean from
all the intoxicated people from the summer and year round, imagine what it will
be like when its all dried and waiting for him evry 2 days or so from working
part time, not sure our policemen and police woman are gonna want to pick up the
slack because theres no janitor around...its no easy task, 28 yrs of devotion
and i do believe the chief has made a big mistake

10:11 am est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

You Should Get Your Facts Straight

The Grace Govea, Community Center and the Library all  now have half time
janitors.  And each of those buildings are larger and have more traffic than the
Police Station.  On top of that, the public isn't allowed past the small lobby
of the Police Station.
10:10 am est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

Get your facts straight... The Grace Gouveia, Community Center and
Library all have full time janitors and they are not a 24/7 operation....


U R wrong.  Not true.
10:08 am est 

Police Station:

Does a new facility mean a new full-time janitor?

How does one sneak that in?
10:07 am est 

Sunday, January 15, 2012

To Blogmaster

You should consider adding a "like" and "dislike" button to each post similar to
facebook...This could cut down on ridiculous replies and really give the
blogmaster and readers of the blog a decent guage on who is reading this and how
they feel about each blog...
8:31 pm est 

Re: Police Station Janitor:

Get your facts straight... The Grace Gouveia, Community Center and Library all
have full time janitors and they are not a 24/7 operation.....  The Police
station is 24/7 with alot of mess everyday!  YES a fulltime Janiitor is needed!
6:59 pm est 

Re: Hawthorne House

Ethics are Important

If there is a financial conflict, people serving on boards should recuse
themselves. If there are abutters conflict, people serving on boards should
recuse themselves. If there are commercial conflicts, then individuals serving
on boards should recuse themselves. any benefit--any--requires the individual to
recuse themselves and leave the room where any debate on the particular case is
being discussed. Any possible gain to an individual requires the board member to
recuse themselves. It's the law!
12:58 pm est 

As For Common Sense

It is neither a measure of intelligence or understanding of our world. It is a
collective opnion, often based on folly, past hearsay, or untested beliefs.
 
Don't use common sense as a measure of much. it will determine some practical
steps but hardly ever lead anyone to great insights, discovery, or understanding
the in's and out's of this town or our country.

Try thinking and thinking well over poorly understood common sense.
12:53 pm est 

Re: Crazy Idea-Natural Gas on Cape Cod

Thanks for responses. If we're so unstable why does National Grid provide
natural gas service at least halfway out the Cape? Also, all of Long Island is
served with natural gas and that's a big sandbar. Can anyone point to any data
confirming that our sandy spit cannot host natural gas lines? Has this ever been
studied?

From a National Grid press release:
"National Grid has nearly 1.3 million electricity and 835,000 natural gas
customers in Massachusetts. The companys service area spans from the Berkshires
to the coastal regions for electricity, including Nantucket Island, with its gas
service area primarily in the eastern portions of the state, including most of
Cape Cod."
11:19 am est 

Winner For Best Blog Entry Last week is. . .

"I don't know how many times I've read on this blog that the town has too many
employees and needs to downsize, but heaven forbid when you actually try to.  Oh,
now I get it.  Only downsize the employees who haven't lived here long enough to
merit a life time position."
10:40 am est 

Re: Town Manager-Figurehead

Please don't say I have rose colored glasses and put sharon on any
pedestal at all. I am really anyone's fan boy who is being picked apart by angry
people with statements that are based on malice with no supporting evidence to
back up what they say. Love, Your fan boys too
10:38 am est 

170 Bradford Street Looks Impressive

I think that Duane Gregory would be pleased to see that the sale of the building
she negotiated now looks so wonderful. the building has already transformed this
Bradford Street corner into an impessive structure. And they are not even
finished. Good work, good detail and it looks great.
10:35 am est 

Re: Town Manager-Figurehead

Evaluation of High Paid Town Employees Like Town Manager Have Little
to do With Compassion-

That is for friendshhip. If someone is competent or incompetent, it's not
compassion that is the yardstick. It's results, strategy, singificant ideas and
a well run organization. If that is not being met, than few should care about
compassion and kindness. If we are not being led dynamically or even correctly,
then critically analyzing the town manager's work and future goals and
results--and I don't mean how many big renovations projects she sets
forth--should be the guiding principle.
10:32 am est 

Re: "I Will Not Post"

Someone said that the majority posting on this blog are "sofa king
ignorant" but theywith high IQ's need to keep posting to show that  they
themselves are intelligent  and must make it known that not all
blog posters are ignorant!  My experience with high I Q wizards is that they are
sadly lacking in commom sense.
10:29 am est 

Re: Natural Gas-on the Cape

Yes to natural gas.  How close to to us does it come now?
10:27 am est 

Saturday, January 14, 2012

Re: Police Station Janitor

"But does a janitor belong in a police union."


Nope, that's why the police union is not disputing the move.
5:59 pm est 

Re: Town Manager-Figurehead

Lynn's tenure in Provinvetown has been mixed. Curiously, it provokes
extreme opinions.  Rarely a person in corporate or public sector  worthy of
Fanboy praise. Seriously rose colored glasses! Likewise, I doubt Lynn could
cause as much damage as she is blamed for.
What seems obvious is that she arrived here and fixed much of what was broken.
What comes next is the traditional blocking and tackling of management.
It is unproven if she is up to the job, the last year suggests she isn't ready
for it. But the Town will be much better off if she grows into the job rather
than fails.
5:57 pm est 

Re: "I Will Not Post"

I agree that the majority of those posting here are sofa king
ignorant, but those of us with high IQ's need to keep posting so that outsiders
will see that there are some signs of intelligent life here.
5:33 pm est 

Re: Natural Gas Line

We live on a very unstable piece of land that is not conducive to natural gas
pipe lines. We are taking a risk with water and sewer, but if they(water and
sewer lines) move and rupture it is not as hazardous as a gas line.
5:31 pm est 

Crazy Idea

Gas lines would not work on the Cape because of the sandy soil.  Too much
shifting and the lines would create a serious safety issue.
5:30 pm est 

5:27 pm est 

Re: Janitor's Job

The library, community center and the Grace Govea building all have half time
janitors.  You can' tell me that the police station needs someone full time to
clean that building.  Shared janitors across these buildings is the right thing
to do.  I'm sorry this will negatively effect this employee, but it seems to me
he was overpaid to take of that one building all these years.  And he has to
leave the Police Union to do this otherwise he'd be taking work from the other
employee union.

I don't know how many times I've read on this blog that the town has too many
employes and needs to downsize, but heaven forbid when you actually try to.  Oh,
now I get it.  Only downsize the employees who haven't lived here long enough to
merit a life time position.
5:25 pm est 

Re: Janitor's Job

I hate to ask this and there is NO OFFENSE meant to anyone's
occupation...but does a janitor belong in a police union.  I worked in the
hospital and didn't belong to the AMA. Stop with the outsider nonsense.  We are
all outsiders here. Love Sharon's Fan Boys
5:21 pm est 

Janitors Job

I was never really good at math but for some reasons these figures don't add up:
(1) They want to remove the janitor from the Police Union and put him into the
other union ?
(2) The transfer from one union to the other will cost the janitor approx $4,000
cut in salary ?
(3) Then there's talk about him cleaning the police station for 20 hrs a week
and then going to other town buildings to clean for the other 20 ?
(4) Keeping him in the same union he is already in and have him go and clean the
other buildings was asked and the TM said no ?
(5) However, he will be in another union and possibly go and clean the police
station for 20 hrs. I am confused ?
(6) Then I am sure the Police Chief will expect him to do the same kind of work
in the 20 hrs that he did in the 40 hrs he worked "but at $4,000 less in his
salary"...again I am confused ?
(7) What I do know and I am sure others don't is, the police dept contract and
the town's union contract are very different and that's where they are going to
tuck it to him so more and management knows this.

Not only am I confused but find this a very sad state of affairs and not so sure
how this is going to work out in the end for the janitor but this is what we get
when we bring in outsiders to run this town. I was in favor of voting for the
new police station but until I heard about all this, I have changed my vote.
12:02 pm est 

Crazy Idea

With the massive glut of natural gas in the US wouldn't it make sense to
encourage, long term, natural gas line extensions to Provincetown? This would
allow residents to switch to natural gas for heating and break the duopoly of
oil and propane providers in the area. Elsewhere this winter people heating with
natural gas are paying about 1/2 the cost of heating with fuel oil. Good for
consumers, good for the environment. Any thoughts?
11:59 am est 

I Will no Longer Post Anything on This Blog

I've realized that by posting it just keeps some of the idiotic rants on this blog going.  I
would suggest others do the same so the very small minority of disgruntled residents
who post their venom here are ignored.
9:01 am est 

Re: Town Manager-Figurehead

Do YOU know enough about what Sharon has done or has not done to make
any assessment at all? Poor is your opinion.  That is it.  It isn't backed with
any information so it also carries the tag of malevolent, not a nice thing to
say.  Let's hear all your facts.  Negativity gets you no where. Can you do it
without anger and name calling and an attack on Sharon? Love, Sharon's fan boys.
8:58 am est 

Town Manager-Figurehead

When the Town Manager's annual  evaluation is done by the Board of
Selectmen they need to assess her job performance as poor, if not, then maybe the
Bd. of S. need to be recalled.  Time for the Town Manager and the Police Chief
to make an exit.  Useless is as useless does!  Keep Asst. Town Manager,David
Gardner as the Town Manager since that's what he does anyway.  The Town Manager
is a figurehead we no longer need.
11:58 pm est 

I Think You Mean Stephen Borkowski

He was the one who advocated for Praeger, the Hawthorne Barn owner, and the one
who was the vice Chair of the Historical Commission. How much was he      for
his "advice'? Then he voted on granting the money to the person he was advising
in his role as vice chair. Something's a foot here.
11:55 pm est 

Friday, January 13, 2012

Re: Police Station Janitor

About cutting the hours of the police department janitor: this is only
a temporary arrangement.  As soon as the new, larger, 5 million dollar police
station is built they will magically need a full time janitor again.

6:26 pm est 

Re: Sharon Lynn

Compassion:

All I can say is when you give it, you get it!
4:43 pm est 

Re: Sharon Lynn

You obvious don't understand the word salaried.  It works this way If
it takes you 2 days to do it or 3 days you get paid the same.
11:16 am est 

Re: Sharon Lynn

Sharon is salaried which means that she could do her job WHENEVER she
wants, not when we want.  If Sharon isn't there when you call, for all anyone
knows she could be in the bathroom.  Should her secretary tell YOU or I exactly
where she is at all times. You could also show a little compassion here. Her
mother isn't in a nursing home because she is healthy and hale. On the contrary,
and if Sharon needs personal time, she is entitled to it. Would you please give
the woman some privacy and dignity as she goes through a difficult time in her
life. You do not come across in a very positive light. Love, Sharon's Fanboys
11:14 am est 

Re: Who is This Boroski Guy?

"Who is this questionable, when it comes to ethics, guy?
Does anyone know?"


I suspect you know very well who this person is.  By pretending to be ignorant
of this person's identity you are hoping to get everyone to attack this person. 
Who, anywhere, questioned this person's ethics?

I voted no on this CPA grant.  I think it sets a bad precedent to dole out money
to private parties to renovate their private property.  But, it's not Mr.
Praeger's fault, nor any of his advisors.  He requested a grant, if the CPC
voted in favor and then the town's voters voted in favor it isn't his fault, nor
was there any evidence of ethical wrongdoings.  Anyone may apply for a grant,
it's not wrong to apply.
11:11 am est 

Re: Sharon

Salary or not...  You still have to be accounted for!  Bottom line....  That
doesn't mean you complete an assignment and leave for the day while your still
getting paid..
8:52 am est 

Who is This Boroski Guy?

Who was Praeger's advisor? Who is this person that this Hawthorne Barn Wall
Street Journal writer hired? Does anyone know much about him? He seemed to be
Praeger's      advisor and was there at Planning Board meetings and also at
Zoning Board meetings. Who is this questionable, when it comes to ethics, guy?
Does anyone know?
12:21 am est 

Re: Sharon Lynn

Where is Sharon and Does She Work so Hard That She Needs a New Assistant?

Maybe she is spending time with her mother but that doesn't mean she needs
someone to take her place or make excuses when she is not where she should be.

Sharon Lynn, at her $120,000 plus salary, already has her secretary and already
has an Assistant Town Manager in David Gardner. Now what else does she need to do
the job that she herself, in this small town should be doing? Didn't we hire
her?

Sharon, just do the work you should do. No other appointments, please. this is
nuts.
12:17 am est 

Re: Sharon Lynn

"As for a new car, who cares except it is a SLAP in the face with her
salary when all she is doing is looking to CUT in areas that should not be
cut...."



When you become town manager then you can decide where to make cuts.  Let me
guess, no cuts would be made if they had a negative effect on anyone who lives
here twelve months a year for at least 25 years?
12:10 am est 

Re: Sharon Lynn

How do you know when Sharon is supposed to be at work?  I think it's
called salaried vs hourly wages and she is salaried.  She knows what she has to
do on any particular day. I don't and either do you.  If you are supposed to be
working at the manor, you seem to spend a lot of time watching the comings and
goings of others.  I do not consider Sharon's car a slap in my face, yours or
others.  She's entitled to do whatever she wants with her money, just like you
and I.  Seems like Sharon makes you irrationally angry.  Let's all do our own
jobs and mind our own business. Love, Sharon's Boys

12:08 am est 

We Had Better Get Serious

Enough with the AIDS Memorial. Enough with the Police Station.
Enough with how Sharon spends her day and her new wheels.
If you don't know who owns the land out by the Moors, ask the Town Assessor. 

We all know there isn't an inch of space here that taxes aren't paid on, by
someone.  And if no one is paying them, it's Gov. owned.

As another blogger mentioned in passing, the monument needs some attention.  And
not the Board in charge of the monument.  The actual Monument.

If windows are falling out of buildings in CA due to the heat, how long do you
think mortar between granite slabs lasts?  When was the last time an accredited,
that is "ACCREDITED"  not just from Boston, Engineering firm took a look at the
actual structural condition of our most loved old granite treasure. 

Last time up in a windstorm, and it wasn't even a big windstorm, it swayed way
more than it used to 40+ years ago.  This pillar won't last for time immemorium. 
Can you imagine the destruction if an earthquake or vibrations from one nearby
happened? 

We are on a semi-fault line.  Look it up before you argue the point.  This
monument was built more than 100 years ago and wasn't meant to last forever
without any lower or mid serious structural assistance.  And don't bother
yelling Chicken Little.  Reality is when was the last time this was seriously
addressed comprehensively.

WHERE , WHAT AND WHEN ARE THE RESULTS OF THE LAST STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY STUDY?  
In print, signed by an accredited engineering firm.
12:06 am est 

The Way We Were

Re: Police Station Janitor

He gets a 4,000 a yr pay cut? Is that so he cannot pay his high rent
and afford to support his child..another way of forcing one out of town...why do
we need a full time chief or full time town manager and for that matter we
surely don't need a full time Liberian, who is rude to men..but our town manager
could care less..ptown use to be a full time community and every day you could
feel the love and happiness and hope of a great future but not anymore..its a
depressing place..except summer, can't wait..let the janitor stay in the police
union and keep his job the way its been

12:01 am est 

Re: Sharon Lynn

I for one have posted here  that I don't think Sharon Lynn is up for the job and
too often hides behind excuses.

That being said, her visits to family members is none of our business. Even
during business hours (she is measured by accomplishment not by time). What's
more I think it a positive sign  her mother is at Seashore Point, but that's
none of my business either.

Additionally, while the Town & School have too many Administrative Assistants
and taxpayers pay too much for them, the Town Manager probably does need a full
time person. And her AA needs to be a higher level assistant who has some
judgement.

I think we have gone off the rails on this one. And for the record, this is at
least the second time I am agreeing with "Love, Fanboy"!
11:58 pm est 

Thursday, January 12, 2012

Sharon

There is nothing wrong with Sharon visiting her mother except when she is
suppose to be at work....  Maybe I work at Seashore Point and can see for myself
the comings and goings and the time of day vs night visits....  As for a new
car, who cares except it is a SLAP in the face with her salary when all she is
doing is looking to CUT in areas that should not be cut..  I could think of
areas in Town Hall that could use some cutting.....
4:17 pm est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

Doesn't make sense for a janitor to be in a police union.  Never heard
of that.
4:15 pm est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

Re: Sharon Lynn-

Enough of the Sharon and cronies already.  Her mother is at Seashore
Point so what's the problem with her visiting her mother. You act like she is
there 24/7.  If you are SO sure she is ALWAYS there, my question to you is what
are YOU doing there all day 7 days a week?

And so what if she has a new car? I have one too. Have she and I committed
crimes?  If you want a new car, work and save up for one and enjoy your car
payments. It's called the American way.  Try some positive input here.

Tearing others apart with rumors an innuendos is a
poor way to communicate frustration.What you perceive to be problems is mostly
machinations of your own .  Love, Sharon's Boys
4:08 pm est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

One could understand some of the janitor postings (or maybe not understand) but
I think what some are not thinking about is, if there was two or three janitors
at the Police Station and due to budget situations then maybe a reduction might
be inorder.

However, when there is only one at a facility that is open to the public 24/7
and the Chief and Town Manager feel it is neccessary to remove the only one then
to me that is a red flag indicating something is wrong with management.

The Janitor at the Police Station I know for a fact worked under 4 previous
Chief's until along came             . Not only do they remove him from a
position he has had for 25 years but they will cut his salary approx $4,000.
What a slap in the face.
4:02 pm est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

" 'support one of our own', who is considered one of our own?  Anyone
who lives here?"



No, someone who contributes and gives the town more then he receives, I'm not
getting into the whole Native Vs. Wash-Ashore fight, however I will say that
those of us raised here hold a much higher respect for one another and this town
in general, IN GENERAL. Of course every group has a few apples that fell from
the tree and rolled down monument hill.

But I must say until you have spent 12 months a year for at least 25 years
here... you are not going to understand what it means to be apart of this area.
3:59 pm est 

Re: Janitor

"The police union is not objecting to the elimination of the janitor
position.  That speaks volumes"



Very good point.
3:54 pm est 

Re: Janitor

"....But, if you look into things, you will see that it makes no sense
to eliminate one to re-hire another at a later time!  Come on folks read between
the lines...  Does Sharon really need a full-time assistant?  If she spent more
time in the office- she would not!  So let's not
go there...."


Point 1

If a janitor at the police station does not have enough work it make perfect
sense to move the position so it may be utilized 40 hours a week.  Any good
manager would have one that years ago.

Point 2

In the same post you state the case that the town manager does not need a full
time assistant.  You want to protect the job of the janitor, but question the
need for an assistant to the town manager.

We don't have try very hard to read between the lines with your post do we?


3:50 pm est 

Re: Land Ownership Issue

Available Land-Rotary

The land from the rotary to past Bradford to the Seashore line is State owned
3:46 pm est 

Custodian

You could probably cut the hours of that       library director, save money that
way and keep the custodian at the police station...   But again one ofSharon's
cronies.....
2:38 pm est 

Re: Janitor

No.. It does not mean because you have been working for the town for alot of
years you are a life long member...  But, if you look into things, you will see
that it makes no sense to eliminate one to re-hire another at a later time! 
Come on folks read between the lines...  Does Sharon really need a full-time
assistant?  If she spent more time in the office- she would not!  So let's not
go there....
2:36 pm est 

Re: Janitor

I sure hope that the 20 hours outside of the police station that the janitor has
to clean is not the community center...  Good luck with that.  That place is
filthy !  Why can't the rec director clean while he is there?  He certainly has
enough time on his hands......
2:34 pm est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

Interesting how people think 'I've worked for the town for 30 years
and this is what I get' instead of 'the town gave me a job for 30 years and paid
more of my health insuance costs than any other town on the Cape'

The town owes you or you should be thankful - I guess it just depends on your
point of view.
1:55 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

The Council on Aging does not HAVE to move to elementary school, it
could stay where it is, convenient (aka EASY walking distance) to Seashore
Point, closer to Maushope etc.
1:53 pm est 

Re: Police Department Janitor

Re: "I  have not seen the janitor to talk to but if what I am reading here is true,
this is wrong. He was once a member of the p'town fire dept and rescue squad and
was always there when we needed him and to have a guy like jaran come into this
town and get rid of him is damn right disgusting. The people in this town needs
to step up and support one of our own."



Does being a member of fire dept and/or the rescue squad qualify one for a
lifetime position?

'support one of our own', who is considered one of our own?  Anyone who lives here?
1:50 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

When someone calls you a "wash ashore"- You can be very sure they are rude.

And pretty sure they are off their meds.
1:46 pm est 

Re: Police Station Janitor

The police union is not objecting to the elimination of the janitor
position.  That speaks volumes.
1:40 pm est 

Land Ownership Issue

Re: Available Land

While the town thinks that land is owned by the seashore, when I went
to the seashore and asked to look at their maps, they do not own that piece of
land either.  Their boundary for the seashore land is a little further into the
moors... so we still do not have  any map that clearly shows who owns this piece
of property.
1:38 pm est 

Location of New Police Station

"But everyone would prefer it on Shank Painter or in Town Center."

I don't have a dog in this fight, except for my disgust at the continuous rise
in town per-capita debt, already the worst in the state. Makes us the Greece of
Massachusetts, which itself is 2nd worst among the 50 states in debt per capita.

But as for location, I was under the impression that much of Shank Painter Road
is in a flood plain.  Whoever decided that was a good place to put both police
and fire originally weren't paying attention to this risk.
12:26 pm est 

Re: Janitor

I would be in favor of the position going to 20/20 if Sharon gives him $4,000 of
her pay to compensate him!  I VOTE NO ON A NEW POLICE STATION......
12:24 pm est 

Police Dept Janitor

I have not seen the janitor to talk to but if what I am reading here is true,
this is wrong. He was once a member of the p'town fire dept and rescue squad and
was always there when we needed him and to have a guy like jaran come into this
town and get rid of him is damn right disgusting. The people in this town needs
to step up and support one of our own.
12:22 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

The issues-

1) The new location of police station was decided without any input from Town.

2) The proposed Police/DPW site is the least convenient most expense option.

3) It's said the Chief of Police and Fire Chief are competitive with one another
and that is real reason for not building out a public safety complex on the site
of the current fire station?

4) The Moderator's official actions at the Spring Town Meeting on this subject
were at the very least inappropriate and reflected poor judgement as the
presiding officer.

5) Despite the posts here, I have talked to no one who thinks the DPW site is a
good idea. A few are apathetic and shrug it off while a few others think it the
least bad option given Fire Dept politics. But everyone would prefer it on Shank
Painter or in Town Center. So better options and less expensive options exist.

9:45 am est 

Re: Janitor Job at the Police Station

Rumor I am hearing is even if he was given 20 at the police station and 20 where
ever, they are going to take him out of the police union and put him in the
other union with a $4,000 cut in pay. He is a single parent, struggling to
survive and that kind of pay cut is going to hurt him financially. He has been a
member of the police dept for over 35 years and this is what he gets. The other
rumor I once heard is that this police chief had plans since day one to get rid
of everyone who has been at the police station a long time and guess what folks
the janitor is one of them. I urge everyone on behalf of the janitor to vote
down the proposal for a new police station.
9:00 am est 

Re: Available Land

I have long been intrigued by that plot of land near the rotary with
the rotting pilings. If you look at the castral maps on the town web site, the
land is clearly owned by the national seashore.
8:52 am est 

Re: New Police Station

"Is it true our town manager and chief of police want the new police
station to go where motta field is.? our last large green space, only someone
who washed ashore here would suggest that..."


First, your latest rumor isn't true.  Second, your rant kind of proves what most
of us 'wash ashores' think, we're smarter than you.  Let's call a spade a spade.
8:50 am est 

Re: Janitor

What a move the Town Manager once again pulled...  She is just cutting everyone
but herself.  If she spent more time at Town Hall and less time at Seashore
Point maybe she'd know what was happening!

Maybe she should give up a little of her salary and stop cutting in places that
need it...  Oh never mind, she is out sporting around in  her new Black Volvo !!
8:46 am est 

Re: Janitor/Jailor Position

Police:

Is it true that the position of Janitor/Jailor as of 7/1/12 will be eliminated? 
The word is out that that is what is happening....  We thought it was told that
the position was only going to have the hours dropped to 20 and the other 20
were going to be made up elsewhere?  Where does the truth lie?
8:44 am est 

Re: Police at Motta Field

Sorry, the only head honcho who wants it at Motta Field is Grassy.  Don't blame
the so-called washashores on that stupid idea.
8:42 am est 

Re: New Police Station

Nothing can be built on Motta field unless it is school related. Also
the council on aging is going into the old elementary school. The new police
station can not be in these two places.
8:41 am est 

Re: Who Decided on Route 6 For the Police Station?

Please get your facts straight.  Can you now see the DPW Maintenance Facility
from Rte 6?  My guess is you don't even know where it is.  This is where the
town is looking to put the Police/DPW complex.

Contrary to what you hear on this blog, myself and a lot of other people think
it's a great move.
8:39 am est 

Re: New Police Station

Is it true our town manager and chief of police want the new police
station to go where motta field is.? our last large green space, only someone
who washed ashore here would suggest that..i say put the police staion at the
memorial school and the town offices at the police station..and o yea monument
getting a facelift..hmmm if it ever fell..what direction would it land east,
west or crumble straight down..this town never leaves well enough alone...
11:56 pm est 

Yikes. too Much on This Posting

Just too much here. If someone wants to erect a structure for Aids, go on ahead.
But let's get off this rant. too much. do want you--whoever you are--to make
this happen. but get off this site. You are boring me to death.
11:52 pm est 

This is Just Too Much!

I hope the webmaster stops posting these inane aids posting. Seems it is coming
from just one or two people.

Get off the hook. I'm more than tired of your ranting.

Find a friend and rant on your own. You are taking too much space.

Webmaster--please. Stop This.
11:50 pm est 

Enough Please on The Aids Memorial
 
Post and then post. enough. who is proposing this? I doubt there is anything
substantial on this. Just post and post again.

Enough.

It will happen or it won't. Enough of this.
11:48 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

"The debate isn't over and I am glad at least someone supports moving
the police to $5 Million complex north of Rt 6."



I'm not sure what you are saying.  You are glad the police station is proposed
for the site of the current highway garage?
11:45 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

"As an aside I personally thought that the plot of land off moors road near the
rotary where the remnants of some old barracks (the monkey house?) would be an
amazing site but we could not find out who owns the land. It is not the town nor
the seashore..."



The National Seashore owns the area your mentioning. Just because the land has
remnants of something from years ago doesn't make it a seperate plot. Everything
to the west of the road between the rotary and the Ptown Inn is seashore
property. Would they allow a memorial? Doubt it. Federal land would mean a
federal request and that's pretty rare to get that permission.
11:43 pm est 

Wednesday, January 11, 2012

Re: "Aids Mecca" Comment

To the person who's comment posted at 8:15pm.. WOW!  what a terrible
shameful mean spirited attitude you have... It would be amazing to meet you.. a
perfect person!

Someone who has never done anything wrong, never made a wrong choice, who will
never have heart disease or high blood pressure, cause you eat perfectly...
never get into a car accident cause you drive perfectly etc etc...

do you feel the same level of contempt to those who smoke, overeat or eat the
wrong foods, drink too much?  Just curious?
8:33 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting-New Station Vote Illegal

I don't care what other citizens think, but the police
at a town meeting, fully uniformed,when discussing a
police subject, is just creepy!!!
8:20 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

 The mean spirited comments aimed at monument placement clearly showed
deep seeded malice toward people who perished from this horrible disease. It is
unnecessary to go to that level. If you don't want a memorial, you should have
attended meetings when this issue was discussed. It is vitriol that lives in
your heart. That's a shame for you
8:17 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

yes, an AIDS memorial. Thats what we need. Then we will be the AIDS mecca of the
AIDS afflicted. Yes, that's exactly what we need.
8:15 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

I used to be the Chair of the cultural council, My term has expired
and I am no longer chair.. Regarding the AIDS memorial...
I [have a] little info.. there was money put aside from a town meeting for an AIDS
memorial years ago.. the town body voted to spend that money on that project. 
There was also some money put aside for an art in public places project from the
VSB.. those moneys were combined and with some fund raising and donations, that
makes up the current budget for the project.

AS for location the cultural council went all over town and took a look at all
town owned land.  Little of it was/is suitable for a project  WE looked at the
plot of land on the corner of Bradford and Alden but were told it is not
handicapped accessible and therefor unsuitable for the project.  We approached
town hall and the selectmen voted 4-1 to allow a plot of 12' x 12' to be
considered for the project.  There will of course be public hearings etc before
any project moves forward...

As an aside I personally thought that the plot of land off moors road near the
rotary where the remnants of some old barracks (the monkey house?) would be an
amazing site but we could not find out who owns the land. It is not the town nor
the seashore...

Dose anybody know who owns this plot of land???

I hope this helps to clear up any confusion..

Frank Vasello
8:12 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

"This town was built on the back of fishermen and
whalers for 300 years and no memorial to them as of yet-"



Are you kidding? We designed a library around a ridiculously large replica boat,
have a monument in front of town hall. The Museum has much to dislpay about
fishing and fishermen. Most of our streets are named for fishing/whaling
captains. We have a weekend festival in high season. We subsidize fishing boats
at the town owned pier. We (state and town)  subsidize health insurance for
fisherman. in fact it goes on and on........
10:50 am est 

Re: New Police Station

The entire police force was called in to the special meeting for the vote on the
design costs. To reinforce the point, the police announced they were not there
to intimidate. Some claim it a harmless stunt by the Town Moderator and Police
Chief, but really it was meant to shut down debate. And it did. The debate isn't
over and I am glad at least someone supports moving the police to $5 Million
complex north of Rt 6.



""And honestly, why r u folks coming out now in opposition to the site?  It was
known at last fall's town meeting.  Many (most?) of you did not attend last
fall's special town meeting.  That was the time to speak up. You had the chance
and you couldn't be bothered.  Don't come crying now.""
10:48 am est 

Re: Aids Memorial

I must be out of the loop. Who is purporting
this memorial? Is it the selectmen, a
committee or a private citizen?
Will taxpayers be funding this?

Just asking

8:51 am est 

Re: Aids Memorial

Be careful, some of your hate is showing.
8:03 am est 

Re: Aids Memorial

"Lets get real.  Place the memorial at the public beach access at Atlantic Ave &
Commercial St. Think about it."

Very interesting idea!!

What, perhaps, would the memorial look like?
8:02 am est 

Re: Aids Memorial

This town was built on the back of fishermen and
whalers for 300 years and no memorial to them as of yet--AIDS has only been
around 29 years and u want to build a memorial??  What about a memorial for the
small pox deaths at the turn of the century...what about a memorial for ptown
high sports teams....what about a memorial for salted cod?---This town is
lost--------
8:01 am est 

Re: Aids Memorial

Lets get real.  Place the memorial at the public beach access at Atlantic Ave &
Commercial St. Think about it.
12:38 am est 

Tuesday, January 10, 2012

Re: Aids Memorial

If thats the case, I'd like to see a Holocaust Memorial, a Civil Rights
Memorial, a statue of MLK, a memorial of womens suffrage, a Lincoln Memorial, a
memorial to the original Wompanoags, an Armenian Genocide Memorial and a
memorial to all those past and present.
8:54 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

Sorry, an Aids memorial on the lawn at town hall, near the dog
fountain, is an insult.  Nothing more than a no thought answer to a thorn in the
side issue that won't go away.  Stick up a rock and shut them up.  Sorry,
insulting with no show of thought.
8:52 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

No the AIDS Memorial on Town Hall lawn is not a pipe dream, and if
illegal the Selectmen don't know it!  Just watch the replay, they have given the
Cultural Counsel the space to put one and even money to do it.


8:09 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

Are you serious?  National Seashore.  Hello.  What a dumb idea.  In a
town with so many artists who are more than capable of coming up with something
original, don't bother.  A stone with names will be stuck on a slab in front of
a over-priced renovated gaudy town hall.  Enough said.  Fitting.
6:47 pm est 

Aids Memorial Location


The only area I can think of that I am not sure who owns it is, on the grassy
area (Alden & Bradford Street), right as you come down Monument Hill before you
enter onto Bradford Street ?

6:45 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

Re:"I say oh no you don't!! You can't blame this on the previous Town Manager!!!
The Police Station relocation is the work of the current Selectmen, Town Manager
and Chief of Police."



Who said they were being blamed?  I give them credit for coming up with the
solution.

And honestly, why r u folks coming out now in opposition to the site?  It was
known at last fall's town meeting.  Many (most?) of you did not attend last
fall's special town meeting.  That was the time to speak up. You had the chance
and you couldn't be bothered.  Don't come crying now.
6:42 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

If you can't find a worthy spot in town, or even in addition to a
center of town memorial, how about choosing one of the already existing paths
out on 6A to the nude beach and making a little marked off parking area (dirt
with a fence for bikes away from the road).  Then connect the parking area with
a path to a nice, little garden (maybe even a zen garden to keep costs of
maintenance down) and a tasteful stone memorial.  Somewhere people can go to
reflect in a place loved by many, on their way to or from the beach.  A favorite
activity so many enjoyed.  Then take that same sand path to the beach and raise
it up over the dunes (to preserve nature) and build an imaginative little
boardwalk or bridge to the beach.  People could donate to the cost of
construction by buying planks to be inscribed with names or messages. 
Construction could be done with local builders.  Doesn't have to be a huge
project or wildly expensive.  Get creative.  Something tasteful.  Enough for
2 people to walk side by side.  You could even take the bikerack from the
library and throw it in the parking lot for good measure.  This may be something
simple that many would enjoy for years to come.
4:59 pm est 

They come, They go

And they take our money and sometimes our dreams with them. they come in, create
a stir, create dreams of new possibilities and we give our monies to them.

Then, there is silence. No work. They are gone, off on some other windmill
fabrication and the structure lies dormant and empty. Empty dreams too.

Charles Hawthorne gets used here, even his studio and this barn.

Where is this Don Quixote now? Hope no one is standing in line to use the barn
for picnics or violin recitals!

Only the solitary wind blowing through cracked open windows remains.
4:32 pm est 

Re: "When Was the Hawthorne Barn Open to the Public?"

Please re-post that post and who was this Wall Street guy's advisor? I thought I
saw a quick read on him. but so many postings and it's gone. Please bring it
back for information.


4:29 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

". . .However, Town Hall has become so insular and removed from the
general life of town, Town Hall is not a deserving location. . ."




Huh?  Town Hall is the center of our town in every way.  Name another place that
even comes close.
2:31 pm est 

Re: Hawthorne Barn

Is there anything we can do, either the tax payers or town officials, to stop
any additional funding on this waste of money?  Can the owner be forced to
return payments made?  We now know that this whole proposal was a self serving
scheme and the town was duped.
1:31 pm est 

Re: Aids Memorial

An AIDS memorial is very appropriate for Provincetown. However, Town Hall has
become so insular and removed from the general life of town, Town Hall is not a
deserving location. Today's Town Hall is the opposite of the community response
to AIDS.

It's a shame PMPM is such a mess. It would be great to incorporate a memorial on
the hill and update the Museum to include the modern story of PTown (fishing,
fishing downturn, townie, Portuguese heritage & AIDS, AIDS crisis response etc).

Perhaps the waterfront is a more logical and doable location for the memorial?
12:53 pm est 

Re: Aides Memorial

Guess we have to rip out the Rose Dorothea Memorial too!!!
11:14 am est 

Re: Aids Memorial

"Every one with history to Town laws knows Town hall property is
strictly for placement of War Memorials only."




Is that a trick answer?  Guess the water fountain needs to be removed.  Ditto
the bike racks on the west side of town hall property.

11:05 am est 

Re: Aids Memorial

"Every one with history to Town laws knows Town hall property is
strictly for placement of War Memorials only.  All other is illegal and would
have to be removed if placed there. . ."


Would you please quote where this law is written?  I'm unable to find this in
the town charter or bylaws.
8:56 am est 

Rich Developers

Rich developers with their tax credits that they sell to corporations and their
grants from the state and CPA money they are able to creates these VAST LOW
INCOME developments.

These developments are the geese that lay the golden eggs each month. They have
their headquarters on Conwell street and a cadre of staff to keep their empire
humming along.

Shankpainter Rd, Race point Rd, Bradford Street Extension, the old motel and
more--all geese that lay the golden egg and use our water and other resources
and poised to abodes for the homeless from Hyannis (as well as folks trying to
overcome drug dependency and living on social security from Hyannis adn the
upper cape.)

8:54 am est 

Affordable Housing Error

I've talked to landlords and they tell me that they would rent year round to
people on housing assistance--but the state offers rents too low.

Years ago they did a survey of what people pay in the winter and they received
info from people who rent places in the winter cheap and expensive places in the
summer--so the state believes that rents should be low in Provincetown and thus
offer a cap on what they will pay.

With our taxes, water bills etc. try to make ends meet renting a one bedroom apt
on what the state pays for rent.


8:51 am est 

Re: Hawthorne Barn

A neighbor who is involved in CPA said we have not paid the 75,000 to
the barn guy.  The voters committed the funds but they have not been paid.

We could still revoke in April if someone wanted to bring it forward ( my
thoughts, not the neighbor)
7:51 am est 

Re: My God! What Does it Take For You to See the Light?

I am gay and Provincetown is certainly not my mecca. Such rhetoric.

7:49 am est 

Re: Aids Memorial

Re: 12 x 12 foot Aids Memorial on Town hall lawn on this blog Monday 1/9/12

Is that a trick question? Every one with history to Town laws knows
Town hall property is strictly for placement of War Memorials only.  All other
is illegal and would have to be removed if placed there. There are enough other
places it can go.  That's why a Fisherman's memorial wasn't considered there!
7:47 am est 

Monday, January 9, 2012

Aids Memorial

HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT A PROPOSED 12 X 12 FOOT AIDS MEMORIAL ON THE LAWN OF
TOWN HALL?  WHAT ABOUT THE MEMORIALS WE ALREADY HAVE, INCLUDING THE BAS RELIEF
THAT WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF???????  TALK ABOUT WASTE OF EFFORT ENERGY AND MONEY.
9:23 pm est 

Re: "Does Chief and Sharon have Their Favorites?"

They probably favor the ones who don't come on this blog and gripe everytime
they feel wronged in the department.

- not a cop nor sleeping with one.

9:22 pm est 

My God! What Does it Take For You to See the Light

How much clearer does the message have to be?  If you can't afford it,
move out.  Affordable housing is a temporary facade to satisfy the time period
before units can go for a premium. 

"Meeting the quota"  required to get grants is the name of the game.  If you
were born and grew up here and feel entitled, tough cookies.  This is a SEASONAL
town and all the whiners on the blog should wake up to that fact.  Rentals, condos
are geared to the not struggling vacationer, 2nd home owner and summer visitor. 
Stop kidding yourselves. 

The school closing is a HUGE signal. Ptown is no longer the quaint little artistic
fishing village it used to be (many years ago).  Google it.  Nothing about art,
or fine dining, or fine retail, or fishing comes up.  Gay happenings, property
for sale or rent and parties come up. 

That is the reality.  Deal with it or move to Truro but please stop whining.  You lost. 
Your parents, by making money on selling their property, brought this on their
entitled children. 

Ptown is a large seasonal gay mecca and it would be healthier for those living here
to acknowledge that, accept it, and act accordingly.  And don't bother getting feathers
ruffled. 

It is what it is.  Right, wrong, who cares.  That's a matter of personal opinion.  All you
townies getting bent out of shape whose mother used to walk you to Isadore's and the
New York Store to buy new shoes and clothes.  Google a map to Truro and gas up to
get there.


QUESTION:  INSTEAD OF BREAKING NEW GROUND AND PUTTING UP NEW MULTIPLE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING UNITS OFF OF ROUTE 6, WHY NOT TURN THE OLD RUN DOWN HIGH SCHOOL INTO A
WONDERFULLY HELPFUL AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT COMPLEX WHEN IT CLOSES?  THE NEED IS
OBVIOUSLY PROVEN BY SHANK PAINTER AND THE NUMBER OF "FAMILIES" SEEKING
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.


ANSWER:  BECAUSE IT HAS AMPLE PARKING AND FANTASTIC WATER VIEWS THAT WOULD FETCH
TOP DOLLAR IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

Gee, guess the real need isn't so dire or desperate after all.
9:20 pm est 

This Current Administration is at Fault

You said:

"Who Decided on Route 6 For the Police Station? This was the original wish five
years ago"


I say:

Oh no you don't!! You can't blame this on the previous Town Manager!!! The
Police Station relocation is the work of the current Selectmen, Town Manager and
Chief of Police.
9:13 pm est 

Hawthorne Barn

The terms were never in writing and unfortunately the non profit and winter art
school aspects of the barn are no longer valid. And so no open house days.

However we (you) gave taxpayer money, approved a modern PAAM style addition and
got a limited conservation easement on the exterior as well as  parts of the
interior of the original building.

Lesson learned. When a Wall Street Journal reporter on leave to think about big
ideas as a Harvard University Fellow starts talking about fishing and beers at
the Surf Club grab your wallets.
9:10 pm est 

Re: When Was the Hawthorne Barn Open to the Public?

A Good Question:

The owner of this property NEVER intended to open his place to the public. 
Getting funding for this project was just one of the many       deals he has
made to get money from the government and non profit organizations / grants.  He
should be required to give all money he received back to the town.
9:07 pm est 

Uglification Committee

"The plans and future wishes continue to the destruction of the
environment and the uglification of the town."


How do I get on the town's Uglification Committee?  They are doing a terrific
job and I want to join in on all the fun.


6:19 pm est 

Police Plus

Why aren't other officers getting to go to training?  It is always the same few!
I know others have expressed interest in classes and have been denied...  What's
that tell you?  Does Chief and Sharon have their favorites?
6:16 pm est 

CPA Funds

"It gets odder and odder how we spend CPA funds. What next? Money for
fine linens to cover the bed that the owner will sleep on?"


Agreed, it's time to look at how we spend the CPA & Land Bank funds.  These
funds don't belong to one person or a group of people.  Not when we can't figure
out how to pay for the PD building & VMES building.  It just doesn't make sense.
6:15 pm est 

Re: Who Decided on Route 6 For the Police Station?

Please get your facts straight.  Can you now see the DPW Maintenance Facility
from Rte 6?  My guess is you don't even know where it is.  This is where the
town is looking to put the Police/DPW complex.

Contrary to what you hear on this blog, myself and a lot of other people think
it's a great move.
6:13 pm est 

Secret Ballot

Police Stations. Affordable housing. Zoning By Laws. School Budget. Library cost
over runs. VMES cost over runs.

All of these issues should be voted on in Towm Meeting by secret ballot. In the
last 3 years we would have only needed about 30 voters to force a secret ballot.
On a rare occasion you might need 50 voters.  The rule is 25% of voters present
and excludes selectmen
6:11 pm est 

Who Decided on Route 6 For the Police Station?

This was the original wish five years ago when the town had its plan to create
the police station on Route 6 and that was nixed by the discovery of the box
turtle. The town has always wanted to go there. Why? To further develop--and I
do mean develop--the Route 6 area as a place for more affordable housing and
more town developments. Enough silliness. Keep the police where they are or move
them into the fire department building. Leave Route 6 as it is. Remember when
DPW wanted to cut down all the trees in the middle swath of route 6 to be used
to "store" pipes for the present sewer system? Remember when they cut down so
many trees near the camp site and the other two sites on Route 6? They decimated
the area and nothing much has changed since then. The plans and future wishes
continue to the destruction of the environment and the uglification of the town.

Is this how we want to greet tourists as they come into town? Make everything
look as ugly as Shankpainter road? It's the slumification of this small village
and it should not be allowed.
2:38 pm est 

When Was the Hawthorne Barn Open to the Public? A Good Question

Wasn't that the deal that led the owner and his advisor Stephen Borkowski to
request and then get $75,000 for "renovations" of the barn? A promise was made
and the public was to share in the historic structure. But what happened? The
owner has left town for "academic" work, the barn remains fallow except when it
is used by the owner for his living quarters. Is this what we paid $75,000 for?
And even worse, did we spend this money to destroy essential aspects of this
barn so the owner could have a better bathroom? It gets odder and odder how we
spend CPA funds. What next? Money for fine linens to cover the bed that the
owner will sleep on?
2:35 pm est 

Re: "320 Families"
 
If you read the article you will see one of the primary things driving the need
for affordable housing is the continuing "condo'izing" of Provinctown. It seems
every multi unit property in town is being converted to condos for sale to
second home market. This continues to hollow out the community by turning former
rental housing into condos that sit empty 1/2 the year while renting out short
term to vacationers. Local wages do not support incomes that can compete for
housing with incomes earned in cities and used to either vacation rent or buy
condos. If you listen to Francese's material linked elsewhere on this blog you
will see this dynamic is at work all over the Cape. Without government sponsored
affordable rental and ownership housing eventually there will be no housing left
for locals that have not accumulated wealth elsewhere. That's why people you've
lived and worked next to for years can no longer afford free market rental
housing.
12:18 pm est 

Affordable Housing


"Instead of complaining about others getting affordable housing who
work just as hard as you, look on the bright side.  With cheaper rent, they'll
have more money to spend at local establishments."


If there is one town that should have stayed as far away from the affordable
housing game on the Cape, it is Ptown.  This is a no win in the long run on just
about every level.  When the units fall into dilapidation, who will want to foot
the bill for repairs?  It won't be the developer, builder or state.  That much
can be pretty well guaranteed.  No regard for the future or respect for the
past.

12:15 pm est 

No Free Lunch

Time to take a good hard look at how CPA and Land Bank funds are
spent.  It appears that many folks feel this is free money because we've already
paid it and it's just sitting in an account waiting to be spent.  First group to
speak up gets the money.  This free money has been used for some questionable
projects.  It's not free money, its coming out of our pockets.
12:12 pm est 

Affordable Housing??

Abandoned House?

Does anyone know the story behind the abandoned pink house on
Blueberry? Rumor has it that it may become an affordable if the town takes it.

9:45 am est 

Affordable Housing

I want affordable housing too. I want to live in the grandest house in
Provincetown,  high on a bluff overlooking the vast expanse of the cape and the
sea.

I can't afford it, but that is what I want and you owe it to me because I'm me
and I want to live here and I'm entitled to it--so there.

I want a yacht as big as the Provincetown Inn and I want the taxpayers to pay
for it because I'm me and I'm special.

If other people can move here and get housing on the cape just because they move
to a place that they can't afford--why can't I get what I want too just for
being me?

I want it and so I'm entitled to it--jump to it taxpayers!!! What are you
waiting for--and peel me a grape while I'm waiting.
9:24 am est 

Hawthorne Barn

I too want to know when the Hawthorn barn was open
to the public? I think the deal was 9 days.

Anne Other Scam
9:22 am est 

Sunday, January 8, 2012

320 Families

How is it that people I work with have been able to live here for all of these years
and now, suddenly, they can't afford it? I don't get it. We work side by side and now
they want to get affordable housing.
9:12 pm est 

Low Income Housing

According to the article I just read, 320 families want to be able to rent cheaper
apartments.

I want to eat at our fine dining restaurants and ofrder shrimp cocktail and
oysters on the half shell for my double appetizer and sip Brut champagne
with it and then have Chateaubvriand for my entree.

Attention everyone: When the bill comes, I want to pay a third of it and have the
taxpayer pay the rest. You owe it to me because this is where I want to eat.
I don't  want to go to the  Stop and Shop and buy the food and cook it.

I'm entitled to what I want to have and you must subsidize me.
9:03 pm est 

Winter Population

The winter population is around 700.
anyone who uses the number of registered voters
as the wintger population is either lying or on drugs....
8:45 pm est 

Only in Provincetown!

We pay gun-carrying public safety summer police officers an annualized rate of
$34,000. ($16.00 per hour)

We pay our school and town hall Administrative Assistants 2.5 times that amount.
($37.92 per hour varies slightly by position and tenure)

WOW.It pays to talk on the phone rather then learning to accurately shoot guns!
8:19 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

Isn't the national median income about $50,000.00?  What are you all
whining about?  We seem to be high above the rest.
8:17 pm est 

Re: Street Sanding

"There were accidents all over the Cape that morning including a fatality. If the
town hadn't sanded and there had been an accident, you'd be          that the
DPW should have been out. It's a no win discussion except in your head of
course."


Of course during the night when it might of been bad it makes sense to take
precaution.  But at 10 am when the streets are clear and dry and the temp is 40
degrees and a truck comes down the street dumping sand, does not make for good
sense.  And also if you know the cape at all it could be snowing in Hyannis and
raining in Ptown so towns should proceed accordingly...
8:15 pm est 

350-400 Square Foot Apartments

Less than Twenty feet by twenty feet--kitchen, bathroom living-dining room,
closet space--all squeezed into that space. How much a month is the rent?

So, the person who works under the table while declaring that they live on the
earning of their "summer job" and unemployment get a unit and then live happily
ever after.

Would someone please ask them how they were able to live here for 20 years
paying market value rent, have a late model car and boat and take a cruise?

I hope that you folks are ready to have the spotlight shining on your actions.
So much for the in depth background check. I know several people collecting
S.S.I. benefits and who work under the table and go to the gym or exercise to
stay buff..that isn't going to fly in this town any more.
8:13 pm est 

Re: Street Sanding

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120107/NEWS/201070328/-1/NEWS01

Aint it the truth! If the DPW sands, it's a waste of the taxpayers dollars. If
they don't sand and granny falls down, the DPW is incompetent. 10:30 in the
morning? How about 5 am or 7 am. Were you up then? Oh thats right, the world
only exists when you roll out of bed.
8:10 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

My head is spinning.  The "median" income for families in Barnstable
County is $79K.  I had no idea the "county" was in such good shape since to
qualify for food stamps or medicare a family or individual needs to make less
than $12K a year.  And the 65 "families" moving in.  Where are they from
exactly?   Call me old fashioned or a square, but I always thought of the word
"family" as meaning parents or parent and children.  To me, two adults, no
matter what sexual orientation, were a couple.  "Family" implies kids.  If the
school is closing, where are all the kids from these 65 families going to go to
school?  This makes NO sense.  Who is building these units, as in behind the
corps. cited in the article on paper?  People don't just build multiple
affordable housing units out of the kindness in their hearts.  It seems someone
is making an awful lot of money off of this "affordable" housing campaign. 
Something is very very wrong here and stinks.
8:09 pm est 

Police Station, Plus

Trust me when I tell you this, the police chief and town manager do not care
what you think. If they did then why did they send two full time police officers
to north carolina for marine training when the police patrol thing for the pier
has not even been approved at town meeting. What does that tell you.
8:06 pm est 

Saturday, January 7, 2012

When is Enough Enough?

P'town to unveil lower-cost rental housing

PROVINCETOWN — Shank Painter Road in the town's West End will become the new residential address for about 65 families who will move into reduced-price, year-round rental units that are almost complete.
But the apartments, divided between two almost-neighboring housing developments, still won't meet the town's demand for affordable housing, according to local housing specialists.
At 83 Shank Painter Road, 15 one- and two-room efficiencies will open on June 1 after the renovation of an existing dormitory by Community Housing Resource. Thirteen of the units will be available for rent while two already are spoken for, Ted Malone, Community Housing Resource president, said on Friday.
The units have 350 to 400 square feet of living area, Malone said.
The annual household income allowed for these units is up to 60 percent of area median income.
The Province Landing complex at 90 Shank Painter Road is expected to open in late spring with at least the first of six buildings, as planned by the town and The Community Builders Inc. of Boston, said Provincetown housing specialist Michelle Jarusiewicz. The buildings — with a total of 50 units — will be linked by private walks and driveways. Of those, 25 will have one bedroom, 22 will have two bedrooms and three will have three bedrooms.
Five of those apartments are for tenants earning up to 30 percent of area median income, 36 apartments are for those between 31 and 60 percent, and nine apartments are for those between 61 and 80 percent, Jarusiewicz said.
For Barnstable County, the median is $79,000 for 2011. However, the exact income required for eligibility for affordable housing depends on the number of people in a family.
Roughly 320 households in Provincetown had requested information about reduced-price housing as of Nov. 1, according to Community Housing Resource Inc., which builds affordable and market-rate housing in the region.
The town's year-round population is around 2,900, but pressure from property owners to rent housing seasonally — at high, tourist-targeted rates — has drained the apartment market, according to a 2006 analysis prepared for the town and funded by the Massachusetts Housing Partnership.
Year-round apartments in Provincetown have also been converted into condominiums for seasonal use, further eroding the inventory of housing for workers, the analysis stated.
The town will hold a walk-in "Housing Forum" on current and upcoming housing opportunities on Wednesday with sample rental applications. Information about senior housing, homelessness prevention, heating fuel assistance and property tax exemptions will be available as well.
"I expect that we will have high demand," said Jarusiewicz.
On Friday, Malone and his staff were preparing for the housing forum. "We'll all be there to talk to people," he said.

Provincetown Housing Forum

A walk-in opportunity to learn about 65 new lower-income, year-round rentals for people of all ages.
  • 3 to 7 p.m. Wednesday
  • Town Hall Auditorium, 260 Commercial St.
  • Sponsored by the Provincetown Housing Office
  • Information: Michelle Jarusiewicz at 508-487-7087 or mjarusiewicz@provincetown-ma.gov

11:31 am est 

Re: Street Sanding

There were accidents all over the Cape that morning including a fatality. If the
town hadn't sanded and there had been an accident, you'd be          that the
DPW should have been out. It's a no win discussion except in your head of
course.
11:28 am est 

Re: Sanding Streets

I looked out the window Friday morning at 1030 am
and saw a sand truck dropping sand on a dry road and the temp was almost 40
degrees??? Something is just not right...
11:27 am est 

Re: Town Meeting

While i agree in principle that ALL registered voters are allowed to
attend Town Meetings I think of the people who work in the evenings.  Should
they be required to take time off to have their voice heard?   I think of our
elderly of which thankfully we have a large population.  Many of which can not
get to town hall to sit in hard chairs for one, two or three nights.  Is it fair
that we will no longer let their voice be heard because they can't get around
like they use to?
9:47 am est 

Re: Sanding Our Street

"all of the snow and ice on our roads and the freezing weather in the
40's.-----Really, when will our town manager start doing her job and use our tax
money in a way that is not wasteful?"


I have to agree this was a bad decision.  Do we have so many staff at DPW that
they don't have anything else to do?  Who decided it was needed, PD or DPW?
9:43 am est 

Hawthorn Barn

It is 2012, Happy New Year.
What happened to the "Open House( 7 days)" for 2011?
Did I miss something?

An Avid Reader
9:41 am est 

Friday, January 6, 2012

Magical and Sickening

It's pretty obvious that any town meetings in winter or early spring
are a waste of time and money.  Or for that matter, a town meeting anytime is a
colossal waste of time.  Town meetings are a silly facade to satisfy the rules
and leave a paper trail for any defense needed down the line.  Those at the
controls already know the results.  This was proven by a certain abutters
meeting not that long ago.  This meeting was clearly called to order to shut up
some whining abutters.  And to go to record so that it would seem the town
actually cared.  Build, build, build, spend, spend, spend is the mantra of this
town.  Sadly.  Very sadly.  How many prefab trailers can we truck in and plant
in the dunes.  Someone in town hall better start figuring it out.  There is much
money to be made in dune development.  Kind of like an oasis.  Magical and
sickening simultaneously.
9:52 pm est 

Secret Ballot at Town Meetings

Since the Provincetown Charter does not address Secret Ballot, Massachusetts
Laws' govern. Secret ballots maybe requested by 25% of voters present at town
meeting.

Sources:

"Secret ballots. When voters vote by secret ballot is determined by a towns
by-laws. In some towns, the moderator can call for a secret ballot. In some
towns, if a certain number of voters request it, a vote will be by secret
ballot. In other towns, a vote will be by secret ballot if 25% percent of the
voters present and voting ask for it."

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/cis/cistwn/twnidx.htm
9:49 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting

Re: "The way it works is a few people get behind an idea and ram it
through in front of 200 to 300 voters at town meeting.  The majority of
voters/residents never had a say in it."


Really?  Most times barely over 100 people make the decisions for the rest of
us, that's why it doesn't take a large # of people to get a bad article
approved.  Add the lack of a secret ballot and we get the disasters we have. 
And people always vote against the secret ballot because they lose the ability
to control their neighbors votes.

9:46 pm est 

Sanding Our Streets!

I want to thank our Town Manager for having our streets
sanded and salted this morning.  It was so needed.  What a wonderful way to
spend the tax payers' money.

I don't think I could have left the house today without this being done,considering
all of the snow and ice on our roads and the freezing weather in the 40's.-----Really,
when will our town manager start doing her job and use our tax money in a way that is not wasteful?

9:44 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting

ALL registered voters are allowed to attend Town Meetings. How can it get more
fair?  Thankfully, we have town leaders that like to move forward. Provincetown
still has one of the lowest tax rates in the Commonwealth. There are communties
in this state that have sky high tax rates and limited town services like no
garbage pickup, part-time police and poorly equipped fire departments. I love
this town and the services they provide. People should be celebrating that they
live here.
9:40 pm est 

Town Meeting

"Didn't we just spend almost $300,000 to have someone decide what town
buildings were in need of repair?  Wasn't this money spent to help decide what
to do with all the town owned properties?  Why aren't we using one of the
currently owned buildings for the "new police station."


We actually ended spending about 150k for the assessment.  And what did it tell
us?  That we've ignored the maintenance on our buildings for years and now we're
going to pay for it.  Granted we make some idiotic decisions (my personal
opinion) along the way like deciding we need this huge $9M library, the Land
Bank folly known as Suzanne's garden, etc, but the way it works is a few people
get behind an idea and ram it through in front of 200 to 300 voters at town
meeting.  The majority of voters/residents never had a say in it.


4:29 pm est 

Town Meeting

Town meeting is a joke,they should do away with it.
Nothing about is fair unless they had a secret ballot, that'ts the only way
people won' t be afraid to vote.
4:26 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

We keep inventing ways to spend more money so certain people can make
more money.
2:15 pm est 

Re: Police/Pedestrian Car Accident

What's up with the accident involving the police officer and a
pedestrian?   Is the pedestrian still in recovery?  I think the reporting by the
chief should be updated to indicate what really happened.  I think some action
should be taken by town council and manager correct the situation.
11:08 am est 

Re: New Police Station

Didn't we just spend almost $300,000 to have someone decide what town
buildings were in need of repair?  Wasn't this money spent to help decide what
to do with all the town owned properties?  Why aren't we using one of the
currently owned buildings for the "new police station".  Why do we keep
reinventing ways to spend tax dollars?
11:05 am est 

Re: Two Stories From Banner

You're wrong, dead, flat out wrong that jettyS create erosion. They stall the
sand and thus stall the erosion. Tell me this genius, why then didn't the beach
and parking lot erode PRIOR to the jettyS being removed?

BECAUSE THEY WORKED!!!

Ask any ranger that worked here prior to the jettys being removed and they will
tell you it was the worst idea the park has had in a long time.
6:20 am est 

Banner Story-Beach Erosion

Can someone explain why the park service doesn't fix the asphalt
revetment?  I think it has lasted approximately 50 years.  If it must go, remove
it.  I think letting the ocean do the demolition will leave us with a stretch of
beach strewn with asphalt debris that will outlast most if not all of us.
6:18 am est 

Thursday, January 5, 2012

Special Town Meeting

OK, the great majority of people don't attend town meeting and
apparently don't care to give their input.  The only way to get everyone's input
is to vote on this at the ballot box, but there is no way to make this happen. 
Spending time and money to have a special town meeting where again no one shows
up is a waste of time and money.
7:37 pm est 

Stop Signs

Re:  "Not a State Road? Not True!
The Town cannot put up traffic signs without permission from the State... even
if it's a Town roadway."


Oooops, guess you were wrong.  Next subject.

7:35 pm est 

Cape Air NY

If it's true that Cape Air may fly out of White Plains airport (HPN), that is
good news for those of us who live in western Connecticut or in Westchester
County NY.

HPN is easier to get to by car, less traffic, less parking hassle, and a quick
terminal experience, with never a long security line.  We fly out of JFK and LGA
a lot, but HPN is simply quicker and easier.

Cape Air will be getting business from us if they follow through on this.
7:33 pm est 

Re: Two Stories From Banner

Addressing the erosion at Herring Cove. The erosion is not due to the fact
that the stone jetties were removed.  Jetties actually increase erosion as does
any man made obstacle to the natural process, as in the asphalt revetment that
collapsed!
6:17 pm est 

Town Hall Reorganization

I'd Love to See a Town Hall reorganization

But somehow I feel as if all the worse would be retained and the best sent on
their way. this is how this town too often works. but the thought of a creative
re-org is exciting!
5:59 pm est 

Duane's Passing

Really sorry to read about Duane but don't say she won't be part of
this town anymore. she will always be a part of the town. even after we have all
left this life, and returned to dust, we live on in the people that knew us, and
the accomplishments we had. Duane lives. RIP.
5:49 pm est 

Technical Problems With MYPACC Have Been Resolved

Sorry for the problems with MYPACC.

Hopefully we are back in business.

To Update your screen please press the:
 
Contrl Key + f5 Key simultaneously
5:28 pm est 

With Sadness: Duane Gregory Has Passed

How sad to know that Duane Gregory will no longer be part of this town. She
brought energy, dedication and commitment. To her family and husband, sympathies
for this loss.
4:51 pm est 

Wednesday, January 4, 2012

Two Stories From the Provincetown Banner

1. The erosion at the beach is due completely to the fact that the seashore
removed the stone groins jutting out into the water that retained the sand from
migrating with the oceans flow. veryone knows it and the park super is ducking
the issue. Worst decision the park has made in years regarding erosion of the
beaches.

2. Monomoy? Seriously? To save a few dollars, the Provincetown kids will be sent
an hour up cape, one way, to a school they are completely unfamiliar with,
leaving town around 7:00 am so awake at 6:00 am. They will then also, (if
available) will have to take the bus home after sports practices, one hour back,
so they won't be home till around 7:00 pm. Dinner, homework and off to bed.
Great life. Or, the town could pay to have them go to Nauset and they could have
a real life, one that invloves earing a spot on the team and one that teaches
the kids that there is competition out there.
9:42 pm est 

Re: Stop Signs

I ain't no attorney but this reads to me that the town can do what it wants with
stop signs unless the roadway is a state road:

"Section 9. The department of highways may designate any state highway or part
thereof as a through way and may designate intersections or other roadway
junctions with state highways at which vehicular traffic on one or more roadways
should stop or yield and stop before entering the intersection or junction, and
the department may, after notice, revoke any such designation. The department of
highways on any state highway or part thereof so designated as a through way, or
on any way where the department has designated such way as intersecting or
joining with a state highway, shall erect and maintain stop signs, yield signs
and other traffic control devices.

The local authorities of a city or town authorized to enact ordinances or
by-laws, or make rules, orders or regulations under the provisions of section
twenty-two of chapter forty may in accordance with the provisions of section two
of chapter eighty-five of the General Laws, including department approval when
required, designate any way or part thereof under the control of such city or
town as a through way and may designate intersections or other roadway junctions
at which vehicular traffic on one or more roadways shall stop or yield and stop
before entering the intersection or junction, and may, after notice and like
department approval, when required, revoke any such designation. Such local
authorities of a city or town having control of any way or part thereof so
designated as a through way shall erect and maintain stop signs, yield signs and
other traffic control devices at such designated intersections or junctions. "
5:38 pm est 

Re: "Town Hall Reorganization?"

If she does the same great job she did when they reorganized the pier corp
letting go of troublesome deadwood and streamlining things I'm all for a town
hall reorg.

- a taxpayer

3:54 pm est 

Special Town Meeting

"I for one would never sign such a petition. If you don't like the idea
of a new station, then vote it down at the next meeting.  To solicit a special
meeting is a waste of time and money. . ."


Agree, big waste of money and everyone's time just to try to prove a point.  I
wouldn't sign it either.
3:51 pm est 

Stop Signs

Re: "The Town cannot put up traffic signs without permission from the
State... even if it's a Town roadway."



Massachusetts General Law Chapter 89, Section 9
. .Such local authorities of a city or town having control of any way or part
thereof so designated as a through way shall erect and maintain stop signs,
yield signs and other traffic control devices at such designated intersections
or junctions.


10:46 am est 

Letter to the Editor Banner Jan 5, Part Two

   Many senior citizens can no longer attend Town Meeting, but surely, they
should have their opinions respected and their voices heard. Rather than voting
at Town Meeting for increased spending on various new projects in 2012, a
binding question on the ballot at the spring 2012 election  would allow more
voters to have a say in how their tax dollars will be spent.
 
I was the elder affairs  officer  when I served on the Provincetown Police
Department, and upon retirement,

I  was on the Council of Aging board of advocates. After 40 plus years of taking
into consideration the interests of senior citizens, I  feel that 2012 should be
a year of planning, reconsideration and possibly forming a committee of citizens
and town officials to make recommendations concerning large costly building
projects in the Town of Provincetown.

Sincerely

Paul C. Mendes
10:30 am est 

Letter to the Editor Banner Jan 5, 2012 Part One

   The Towns many senior citizens. in thier sixties. seventies, eighties and
even nineties are struggling to hold onto thier lifelong homes. During thier
active years, they supported the Town of Provincetown, volunteering their time
on many boards and committees. There are seniors located in every neighborhood.
Their homes, filled with memories, are their most prized possesions earned with a
lifetime of hard work.

In this uncertain economic time . Senior citizens have experienced a
dramatic decrease in interest income on thier savings and investments, higher
medical costs along with the fact that insurance covers less and less, and few 
increases in Social Security benifits. Additional property taxes to cover costly
building projects would be detrimental to the well-being of most of the Towns
elderly population.

Continued...

10:25 am est 

Re: Cape Air's Summer Flights to NY

It was exciting to hear about Cape Air's summer flights to NY.
However, I now understand that it's a flight to Westchester Airport in White
Plains, which is NOT in or near NYC.  I went to the airport website to see about
transportation to NYC, and it's only limo service: http://www.whiteplainsairport.com/pages/transportation.shtml.

Who is this supposed to be serving? Certainly not most who live in NYC--they
don't have cars. And certainly not anyone here who wants to go to NYC; it would
be cheaper to spend the limo money here, go to Providence, and take the train.
10:21 am est 

Special Town Meeting?

Think we have two valid reasons

1st By having the special town meeting, the Town Moderator and Town Hall will
have a more difficult time strong arming the discussion.

2nd The selectmen need to  immediately stop spending money on this folly  until
Town has been heard,

The target date will be 3rd week of February.
10:14 am est 

Stop Signs

My take on this is that a town has the right to erect stop signs, with
certain limitations, as long as the roads involved are not state highways and do
not intersect with state highways. The following is a quote from the first two
paragraphs of the law.

General Laws of Massachusetts - Chapter 89 Law of the Road. - Section 1 Meeting
vehicles

Section 9. The department of highways may designate any state highway or part
thereof as a through way and may designate intersections or other roadway
junctions with state highways at which vehicular traffic on one or more roadways
should stop or yield and stop before entering the intersection or junction, and
the department may, after notice, revoke any such designation. The department of
highways on any state highway or part thereof so designated as a through way, or
on any way where the department has designated such way as intersecting or
joining with a state highway, shall erect and maintain stop signs, yield signs
and other traffic control devices.

The local authorities of a city or town authorized to enact ordinances or
by-laws, or make rules, orders or regulations under the provisions of section
twenty-two of chapter forty may in accordance with the provisions of section two
of chapter eighty-five of the General Laws, including department approval when
required, designate any way or part thereof under the control of such city or
town as a through way and may designate intersections or other roadway junctions
at which vehicular traffic on one or more roadways shall stop or yield and stop
before entering the intersection or junction, and may, after notice and like
department approval, when required, revoke any such designation. Such local
authorities of a city or town having control of any way or part thereof so
designated as a through way shall erect and maintain stop signs, yield signs and
other traffic control devices at such designated intersections or junctions.
12:03 am est 

Tuesday, January 3, 2012

Stop Signs:

All I have to say about it is, if you are upset they are illegal... do
something!  Talking about it, is not the answer....
5:38 pm est 

Re: Illegal Stop Sign

Re:  "Not a State Road? Not True!"

The Town cannot put up traffic signs without permission from the State... even
if it's a Town roadway.
5:37 pm est 

Stop Signs

Depends if it's a state road or not.  Not a state road? 
Not a problem !
4:44 pm est 

Special Town Meeting?

I for one would never sign such a petition. If you don't like the idea of a new
station, then vote it down at the next meeting.  To solicit a special meeting is
a waste of time and money when we have a scheduled spring meeting in April. 
When did you plan on pulling it all together, the end of March?  Gimme a break.
4:24 pm est 

Re: Special Town Meeting Petition

Thanks to the person that is doing the research about a petition for a
special town meeting on building a new police station.  I'll be more than glad
to sign it, and tell others about it.
4:21 pm est 

New Stop Signs

Well in last couple of years, stop signs have been added to the intersection at
Bradford and Howland, the intersection of Howland & Harry Kemp, the intersection
of ryder and bradford.......thats at least 6 new stop signs......
4:17 pm est 

Illegal Stop Signs?

"I just learned from a State employee that all these new Stop signs
that the Town installed are illegal."


Where are 'all these new Stop signs'?  I can think of the one by town hall on
Bradford, having a hard time thinking of all the other ones.  Maybe my memory is
going.
12:05 pm est 

Special Town Meeting to Place New Police Station on Hold

A couple of phone calls and we now know it will take 200 signatures for a
special town meeting, but Provincetown requires a specific form from the
Secretary of the Commonwealth yet the Secretary of the Commonwealth apparently
has no such form.
We've got calls into 2 specialized election lawyers in Boston to help sort it
out.

More updates later
12:02 pm est 

All the New Stop Signs Are Illegal

I just learned from a State employee that all these new Stop signs that the Town
installed are illegal. The Town does not have the authority to put up traffic
control signs willy nilly. The process starts with an application to the State,
then the State performs a traffic survey to determine the need, and then the
State either approves or  denies the request. I wonder how many tickets the
Police Department has written at these intersections. All those motorists now
have a driving record not to mention the increases to their car insurance bill.
Where are our Town leaders? The Town Manager, the Police Chief, The Board of
Selectmen should all know these things. Didn't they do any research? Why are we
paying these extravagant salaries to people who are incompetent?
10:17 am est 

Re: Town Manager and Police Chief

"You can never find either of them to speak with when you need to..  The only
answer you get is they are out of town! . . ."


I can't speak for anyone else, but I can say on the relatively few times I
needed to speak to the TM or Police Chief I was able to talk to them within 24
hours and that's an acceptable response time for me.
10:09 am est 

Govermental Costs

Police station costs, custodian position, Patroling the pier.... all
big financial situations. To contrast, the fiscal year salary for the Bourne
principal was $70,000 with maybe 450 students. We are a very generous fiscal
community!
10:06 am est 

Town Hall Organization

I agree.. that is one thing but do you see the Town Manager turning in any of
her overpaid salary?  Why is she always looking for more money?  She is only
looking to cut costs to benefit herself!  Come on people... wait and see when
she asks for more $$ herself..
10:03 am est 

TM & Chief

Does anyone know exactly how much time they have per year to take off?  It
appears they are off on vacation an awful lot more than the time they should
have?  I know officers at the PD who have been there for 20+ years with only
4-5wks how can someone with 3-4years have the same amount of time?  Those
veteran officers have earned their time off from their years of service!
11:08 pm est 

Police Station, Jobs, Staffing etc....

The Town Manager and the Chief are not looking to better anything but for
themselves...  Maybe they should cash in some of their salaries and we could
consider a new Station a new custodian and a new Harbormaster...  Why is it
always at the cost of the taxpayers....  You can never find either of them to
speak with when you need to..  The only answer you get is they are out of town! 
Where can they possibly go so often?

And who is checking on the time they take off?  I hope the town is not relying
on each of them to monitor each other?
11:07 pm est 

Town Hall Reorganization

Re: " . .Custodian job at the Police Station. . . This is sad and this
is what our gov't has come down too. We need to stop this behaviour."



I disagree.  The role of Provincetown government is not to provide jobs for
people contrary to what some town employees may think.  I want my town
government to be run as efficiently as possible for as little cost as possible. 
Town government exists for the town's residents not for the town's employees.
11:05 pm est 

Monday, January 2, 2012

Re: New Police Station

2 Questions-

1) Do we need a new police station? (answer: probably yes)

2) Should the new Police Station be north of route 6 and away from the tourist
core? (answer: Not without a lot more public input)
8:21 pm est 

New Police Station

It's great this town can afford to throw $120,000.00 at an architect
for some plans you could probably find online or buy for $1,000.00 from another
town faced with similar police needs (seasonal) that has recently built.  Well,
face it, the 120K is probably only a downpayment.  With additions and extra
work, wowee. Ptown again solidifies her position as a CASH COW.  Mandated. 
Ridiculous.  Commercial modular is the way to go on this.  Use the High School
gym as a storm shelter.  Wake up Ptown.  We have a small police force and their
needs do not require a multi-million dollar facility.  Period.  Stick it in
Veterans Memorial.  Get rid of the asbestos and viola.
8:20 pm est 

Re: Town Hall Reorganization

You got what you asked for! People on this blog were always saying
they didn't want taxes to go up, so now the town manager is reorganizing town
employees and people on here all of a sudden realize that jobs will be cut. And
in a small town, chances are you'll know someone who's job is in question.
8:16 pm est 

Police Station and a Reminder !!!

There's been allot of fuss on here about the Police Station and rightfully so.
However, please keep in mind that a few weeks back there was chatter on here
about the Custodian job at the Police Station. They "Town Manager and Police
Chief" are in co-hoots with each other to eliminate the custodians job.
As far as I am concerned, this is to help pay the $120,000 that's been talked
about on here and to maybe also help fund the Police patrol down the pier this
coming summer.

They don't seem to care about how this is going to affect the custodian personal
life and, if you think they will admit to you that the custodians job has
nothing to do with either then hope to the man above this political game never
affects any of you. This is sad and this is what our gov't has come down too. We
need to stop this behaviour.
5:45 pm est 

Town Hall Reorganization?

Anyone know about the planned "reorganization" of Town Hall employees,
specifically the Town Manager's and Selectmen's offices? In typical fashion, the
TM is eliminating some positions in the name of reorganizing. It's always been
her way of getting rid of people she doesn't like. Watch how you vote on the
budget items this spring, you might be inadvertantly voting good people out of
jobs.
5:43 pm est 

Housing

That's right I agree she should get housing but after the families that have
lived here, went to school here and waiting for a place and didn't leave ?  They
too have been on the list for 3 years. Still waiting and told they are not
homeless yet!  WRONG.. WRONG WRONG..  The only reason they are not homeless is
because of others helping them!  Where's their housing?
5:39 pm est 

Dog Flu

All vets and kennels have been tracking/warning about canine influenza for
months---most kennels on cape are requiring vaccination by January 15.  This is
NOT a Provincetown epidemic--it is an illness that is all over and preventable. 
Let's not get hysterical and start pointing fingers--let's just be cautious
responsible pet owners/lovers.
5:37 pm est 

Dog Park

Gee my vet said the dog flu can be picked up at a kennel or doggie day
care wherever dogs congrugate even on the street. That's why my dogs got the flu
shot. I'm not going to isolate them as I wouldn't myself and that's why I get
the flu shot annually.
3:24 pm est 

New Police Station

"I agree with a previous poster, that we should wait awhile to do the
$120,000 study. . ."



Did  I missing something?  I think this is already at the architect stage.  I
think they are designing the building and next stage would be voting on the
construction of the building and how to pay for it.
3:22 pm est 

New Police Station

I agree with a previous poster, that we should wait awhile to do the
$120,000 study. Since it was several years ago that the police department
facilities were deemed substandard, and nothing was done about it, two more
years won't make a heck of a difference.  I say, let's put this back on the
table in a few years for us the taxpayers to foot this multimillion dollar
project.
12:49 pm est 

Housing

In reference to Saturday posting about housing.

Yes, a single mother with herdaughter did get housing on Old Ann
Page Way. She lived and went toschool here. She moved up cape
for a couple of years and was laid offfrom her job .

She has every right to get the housing . Isn't this the way it
works?
12:03 pm est 

The Housing Director is Being Paid Illegally With Our CPC Funds

This is illegal. No town position can be funded from these monies. This has been
a permanent position and that it illegal under Community Preservation Act.

But, as happens here too often, the illegal goes on as if it is legal. This
position should be eliminated and the monies used for real CPC projects.
12:00 pm est 

The Actual Percentage of Affordable Housing Keeps Changing

The numbers were 8% when Keith Bergaman was town manager. We have had
much building and the numbers seem to remain low. then there are the affordable
housing units that became market rate for ted malone's workers. Those once
affordable housing units then were removed from the list as they were sold and
at a profit for his workers.

Affordable Housing is a money makeing deal for the Ted Malones of the world
while those in town who really need it, never get on the list.
11:56 am est 

New Police Station

"Is there an article in the Banner regarding building a new police headquarters?
Why is this suddenly the topic here--what have I missed?"


The Selectmen voted to award a architect design contract by a vote of 3 to 2. 
The design contract is $120,000 and is only for site planning. Based on industry
standards that suggests a construction budget of around $5 to $6 million (or
Town overpaid for the plan)

11:54 am est 

Caution !!!!

Dog flu is going around town.. My vet. Says it is most
Likely coming from the dog park. I use the park daily
And now will find a new location.this virus can be very
Serious!!!!
11:52 am est 

Censorship on This Blog

Clarence, I asked a question about why the Chief of Police is                  
and you blocked it. Why would you do that? It's an issue that should be of
concern to the community. Are you in the Chief's back pocket? If this entire
posting doesn't appear then I'll know that you're nothing but a fraud.
11:51 am est 

Study Conducted

A few years ago a study was done and it was determined that the present police
headquarters is totally substandard. It was mandated that a new building be
built. Where have you folks been?
11:48 am est 

Question for Sharon Lynn:

Is there any reason why the Chief of Police keeps sending the same Officers to
training while others never get a chance?
I suspect favoritism on the hires he has chosen !!



Sharon-  I know you have the answer!
11:47 am est 

Housing:

I know about the housing, I have a friend who was asked by the housing to be
deceitful and she refused!  Let's no go there!
11:45 am est 

Affordable Housing

The place to get answers about affordable housing is to call the housing director at town hall. She will let you know anything you want about housing in Provincetown. Answers on here have to be taken with a grain of salt.
12:37 am est 

Police Station

The final location of the station can be better determined once Town Hall has given up on on the Race Road/DPW option.

When approached, please sign the Special Town Meeting petition.
12:36 am est 

New Police Station
 
I completely understand that we need a new police station. However, as a taxpayer I think that the police need to make do with what they have for now. The economy has been weak for a while now and we should not be undertaking projects of this magnitude until it is strong again. By the way, can anybody explain why the                                                                                              . Why is the Town Manager allowing this?
12:34 am est 

Housing vs Police:
 
So... can someone help me out here? You want to get rid of police officers and build more housing which can compound problems when the town starts bringing in people from the outside like they have been... Maybe.... the town should stop the housing ( which brings in outsiders) and then see what happens.... More housing.... bigger problems... less police! Makes no sense to me! But, typical for Ptown
12:30 am est 

Re: New Police Station

I don't even want to entertain any thought of where a new police station should go. This should be tabled and brought back no sooner than 2 years from now. We need a rest from all this construction of town buildings. And cancel our hiring a consultant for $120,000 to design the police station. I know that we noted for this at Town Meeting. However, circumstances have changed.
12:28 am est 

For the Record:
 
As noted previously, Truro has 12 full time officers, well Ptown only has 15 with 3x's the amount of calls. Please get facts straight!
12:25 am est 

Re: New Police Station

The police can't move into the high school because that is where the elementary school is now located.
12:23 am est 

Nelson Ave. Development

Nobody can vote no on the new development next to Nelson Ave. Its a done deal approved years ago.
12:22 am est 

Location For the New Police Station

It amazes me that a selective few have posted here where to put the new police station !!! While others have said there's no doubt or something to that affect that a new police station is need !!! While I think the majority agree about the cost of it will no doubt increse the taxes in this town !!! And I know personally that this Manager gives the Police Chief anything he wants. They are going for it and trust me, like a child in a toy store, he does not get it and he will close the current one down.That is nothing but a tactic to force you people into voting for it. Why is there so much discussion here puzzles me when I can recall all the moaning and groaning numerous people did on here over the Library. What do you think this Chief is going to do, save you money or spare you a tax increase, I think not. Wake up Provincetown.
12:20 am est 

Confused About Police Headquarters Postings

Is there an article in the Banner regarding building a new police headquarters? Why is this suddenly the topic here--what have I missed?
12:14 am est 

Can Anyone Answer These Questions?
 
How many affordable housing units (including those in progress or committed to) do we have?
I've heard our goal was ten percent, where are we at now?
Of the units we currently have how many are occupied by people who either worked in town or were current residents?

I am a supporter of affordable housing for folks who work here or are current residents. I don't feel the need to build affordable housing for folks who would like to move here.
12:10 am est 

Sunday, January 1, 2012

Re: New Police Station

Then put the police station in the high school when it closes.  And
the gym can be used as a storm shelter.
11:48 am est 


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