Thursday, June 30, 2011
Bangs Street Pre-Fabs
5:46 pm edt
The firemen are voluteers, they choose what they do. The condos are prefab and
bring in much needed revenue. To
choose to do something stupid is their choice,
the developers have no such choice, they have to make money or get out.
Kudos For Dog Park!
3:46 pm edt
The dog park has shade! Where have you been? Planet self-loathing?
Yeah, the dogs were escaping from the heat.
It just slays you how wildly popular Provincetown's dog park is and how it
receives ongoing local,
regional and national coverage! Equally as important it
has the support of the community and town officials. I was cc'd
on this great
press and so weren't all the selectmen and members of the VSB.
Off to sit in the shade at
the dog park while my three dogs play!
Modular Home Potential Fire Hazard
3:44 pm edt
Instead of worrying about whether the Fire Ladder guy still works
here, you should be worried about whether or
not our Fire Dept. has taken the
appropriate courses taught at the State level to deal with modular construction
fires and their possible hazards. The building industry claims one thing, the
Acushnet Fire Chief claims another.
This attitude of build build build that has
become the town's mantra could possibly pose some dangerous conditions for
Fire Dept.. No mention in any of the meeting minutes ever about scheduling or
taking these courses and there
is multi modular construction in this town???
No one answered whether 90 Shankpainter was going to be prefab
or not? This
seems important, for the inhabitants as well as the neighborhoods. More
skype or soccer. Or am I barking up a wrong missing dog park
Have Your Boots Ready?
2:10 pm edt
This is the busy weekend and do I trust the sewer system? No, not yet. I'll keep
my rubber boots handy for the
disaster that has already shown it's ugly head. I
jutst hope the DPW has enough bleach for the streets again.
Re: Fire Department
2:07 pm edt
He doesn't even live here anymore.
1:01 pm edt
Is it true that the kid who destroyed the fire department ladder truck
still works for the fire department?
A Spider Web of Conections
12:59 pm edt
How well put and how true. As you write no one can really untangle the
conections that are hidden like many a
spider's web that hangs in the dark
corners of town hall. When town hall was renovated, these dark webs were not
removed. They were permanently put in place and the
$9 million spent helped to make these dark connections a permanent
part of doing
business and living here in town.
Corruption has a way of appearing clean, honest, and friendly.
Many a spider
smiles when she sees you and then you tragically discover that she is the Black
Widow Spider and
she is biting deep into your neck. Then it's much too late for
you. Much too late.
"Barks and Recreation"?
11:17 am edt
Did anyone see the article on MSN titled "Barks and Recreation"? The
article describes diffrent
dog parks accross the country with photos of some of
them. These parks include Dog Beach in San Diego, described
as one fence being
the end of the beach; the other the pacific ocean. Shaggy Pines Dog Park, a 20
near Grand Rapids Mich. with rolling hills and miles of trails.
Tomkins Square Park NYC, a shady dog park with
a soft mulch surface. And then a
photo of Provincetown's Bark Park. In this photo it shows three poor dogs
of which is standing on a bench to be off the hot gravel, another squeezed under
the same bench to get some
shade and the third dog, being too big to get under
and to overcome by the heat to climb up on it, is standing looking
miserable. The diffrence in these photos speaks for itself. What a sad place
for our canine
Faulty Traffic Control
11:14 am edt
My experiences this week walking through lopes square. Absence of any
police directing traffic. Two
officers standing off to the side chatting and
paying no mind to traffic or pedestrians. Why does it take two
direct traffic? There should be one officer each at Lopes sq. And Ryder St.
the increasing cars and pedestrians. This is not difficult to
figure out. Let's all call the
police department and question this lack of
Also, what is with the speeding of cars with no regards
to pedestrians or bikers
on both Commercial and Bradford St's ?
Re: Absentee Resident
9:36 am edt
Poor, poor 2nd home owners who have to schlep from the city to enjoy
their investments on their days off.
Wow, cry me a river. This town is run by
a spiderweb of connections that could never be straightened out.
Accept it and
move on. Vote, no vote, do you honestly think it matters. Those that actually
town and control it couldn't care less who votes or what they vote on.
Their agenda is set. Drain the town
of all open space, build and sell or rent.
High rents and the r.e. market drive this town, not the little gift
shop or the
restaurant open for 3 months a year or the fishing boat allowed to fish 10 days
a summer. Wake
up and stop crying about having no rights as a 2nd home owner.
At least you are lucky enough to own a 2nd home.
Imagine if you had to work 3
jobs and couldn't own 1 home, like many people here. Or even worse, had to
a winter here without any tea parties or bikini-martinis. Wholly moley.
Hey, Absentee Homeowner!
9:04 am edt
If you lived here full time, you would know
that Saturday is the hardest day to have a meeting because if you
lived here you
would be working at one of your THREE JOBS!!!!
8:38 am edt
RE- I like the term "absentee residents" much more than "second home
owners." LOL! They're
like absentee landlords - they want all the benefits that
come with their position, but don't want to do any of the
This is the most rediculous and insulting statement to second home owners.
Believe me - if we
could serve on boards we would "do all the work" and make
sure things were done the right way. Meetings
would be on Saturdays so anyone
who wanted to attend could - not at 1pm on a Wednesday - when only 5 people
And don't tell me to move here - I can't yet. I have to make a city salary to
pay for my house
and the town's taxes. What am I supposed to do - drive here on
a Tuesday to vote or on a Wednesday for a meeting ?
This town is set up to
accomodate only those who are here full time not the other half of the town who
that can't be here.
This town has no problem with collecting it's tax revenue from its incredibly
real estate - who do you think makes that happen ? The second home
owner who has driven up real estate prices
here because they are willing to make
an investment in this town even though they have to schlep back to the city to
make a salary to pay for everything yet have no vote.
You have no idea (or maybe you do and
that is what you are afraid of) how things
would change if we got involved - no more handshakes behind closed doors
and nods etc.
We would show you what it is to "work" and how to do things the right way
7:48 am edt
Thank you Lord for this beautiful day!! Relax, Chill, Forgive and Forget. Love
7:47 am edt
I like the term "absentee residents" much more than "second home
owners." LOL! They're like
absentee landlords - they want all the benefits that
come with their position, but don't want to do any of the work.
And again, the whole point of this topic was that several board members don't
attend meetings on a regular basis.
You can pat yourself on the back and point
out all the initiatives you've "spearheaded" till the cows come
home. If you
aren't present at the meetings, you're not doing your job.
Wednesday, June 29, 2011
9:40 pm edt
I've seen several people complain on this blog about the incompetence
of the new police officers who replaced
the dancing cop.
Well, since they're not doing anything at the intersection, maybe they can walk
a few steps
down Commercial and do something about the constant traffic jams and
bike accidents caused by the 6 - 10 people in towels
and cheerleader outfits
standing in the middle of the road barking for shows at the Post Office Cafe!
other day I saw two guys in drag out there holding up traffic for about 5
minutes while they chatted with some tourists.
When one of several cars they
were holding up honked his horn, one of the drag queens began dancing in front
the frustrated driver's car and taunting him.
Yeah, I know, "It's Provincetown," but isn't it a public
street too? Do there
really need to be that many people standing in the road handing out flyers in
front of one
Bradford Closed This Morning For DPW Work @ ASG & Town Hall
9:38 pm edt
No detour signs, no direction. No access to town parking lot. We were directed
in the area behind Crowne Pointe
with no information or posted detour. Folk
going in the west end were sent up Alden Street.
sent all those pesky tourists back on westbound Route 6 before they
wondered in for lunch or shopping on Commercial
Yet another example of DPW with an assist from Provincetown Police in a
simultaneous display of
Hopefully, this year the State Police will again assume command of traffic for
the 4th of July.
Department of Environmental Services
9:35 pm edt
I spoke to the Department of Environmental Services this morning. The
person in charge of Chapter-91 waterfront
licensing told me that Aqua Bar nor
Aquarium Mall has never applied for any permits for renovation last summer on
the water. Also, they never applied for anything with wetlands either. They are
now investigating. I would recommend
we all start turning in those who skip the
rules and process in this town. It's rather ridiculous that they get away
these things don't you think? Thanks for pointing this out on the blog.
Re: Board Attendance
9:34 pm edt
Calling out lack of compliance with the town charter in board service is not
negativity discouraging board participation.
It is simply asking that the town
charter be complied with. Regardless of how hard it is to find people for
how much those with spotty attendance records get their feelings hurt,
the town charter needs to be followed. If it
is not possible to populate boards
with competent people under the current charter then the voters should be asked
to change the rules.
Absentee Board Members
9:32 pm edt
"it DOES matter how much time board members spend away
from town. If you don't actually physically live
here, your interest in the town
and it's issues is going to be as limited as your presence"
I'm here less than nine months and serve on a town board, another
board's subcommittee, a working group and a non-profit.
When I'm not a a BOS
meeting, I watch it on PTV.
I have spearheaded bringing six articles to Town Meeting in just
When I am away in the winter, I do a lot of my research for my next round of
I believe will enhance our community and tourist based economy.
In conclusion, my 'interest in the town and it's
(sic) issues is' not 'as
limited as' my 'presence.' That's why I believe all boards should have at least
that is open to a second home owner as my lifestyle reflects more
of a second home owner and I have seen what I can
accomplish in our community.
Tuesday, June 28, 2011
Board of Health
11:36 pm edt
Yeah, in the moldy basement of any one of about 10 different places
that are never inspected by the ever vigilant
BOH but serve food to the general
public despite the smell downstairs. Talk about a liability case waiting
happen. Hope the premiums are up to date.
11:34 pm edt
Just Call the Crown & Anchor i am sure they can put the soccer games on the TV's
and big screens in
the WAVE Bar.
They always show sporting events all year.
Board Member Absenteeism
11:00 pm edt
Re: "If people are registered to vote here they are legally residents
and are entitled to serve on boards
(whether or not they own property and pay
property taxes). It does not matter how much time they spend away from
as long as they attend the meetings."
Entitled seems to be the key word here. Nobody
questioned the legality of
absentee residents serving on boards, but rather the practicality. The reason
issue was brought up in the first place is because it was pointed out that
several people serving on town boards DO
NOT attend meetings regularly in the
As far as I'm concerned it DOES matter how much time board
members spend away
from town. If you don't actually physically live here, your interest in the town
and it's issues
is going to be as limited as your presence. If you are going to
treat Provincetown as your summer home, then please
don't try to make important
decisions for the people who live here year round. We deserve better.
Women's World Cup
5:22 pm edt
TEAM USA won first game in Women's World Cup. Their next game is
Saturday 11:30 AM on ESPN. Any place
to watch in group?
2:37 pm edt
When you are done showing all us hicks how to use skype, are you going
to be giving lessons on how to use the
parking kiosks too? And don't forget the
class about changing tires and fixing loose wheel bearings (you know,
those potholes and uneven spots that are going to get fixed too somewhere in the
2:35 pm edt
It never ceases to amaze that because one blogger disagrees with the
viewpoint of another, insults start to fly.
The blogger whose viewpoint is not
agreed with must cast insults to feel strong and bully others into submission.
Because someone disagrees they are "ignorant". I think not. That person
casting the insult
is the ignorant one. Grow up. Skyping town board meetings
is a stupid idea. Bad enough people don't
want to be on boards but to think
they can have a few pops and sit down and skype in their views over a bottle of
wine while sitting in their underwear is about where this is at. Good grief.
My town deserves town boards
that are involved and present in person. If that
can't or won't happen, get rid of them and go to a dictatorship.
That's what it
is anyway with Developers sitting on the throne, clammering for top lap
Skype Peake or Wolf first.
11:55 am edt
Want to skype into a government meeting? You'd better skype Sarah Peake or Dan
teleconferences are illegal. What's more most email among
board members is prohibited (tho often ignored I understand).
exception is citizens may submit public comment in writing and in advance of a
public hearing and may
do so electronically.
So meetings have to be posted and advertised, held in public and all
present. Meetings without quorums may not proceed however
informally even when no votes are scheduled.
very 20th Century good government.
Absentee Board Members
7:35 am edt
If people are registered to vote here they are legally residents and
are entitled to serve on boards (whether
or not they own property and pay
property taxes). It does not matter how much time they spend away from the town
as long as they attend the meetings. There are not enough people volunteering
to sit on boards as it is.
All the negative comments about volunteer board
members on this blog only serve to further discourage involvement in
7:32 am edt
Video conferencing, skype or other means of technology available are
standard practice in the corporate sector.
But our ignorant poster NEEDS to have EVERYONE physically present at each
meeting? ? Give us a break. You
need to get over the other side of the bridge
once in your life!
Pedestrian views equals a backwater community.
Don't be afraid of the technology
but embrace it! We will show you how to use Skype which no doubt you don't know
how to use and are afraid of.
7:30 am edt
Re: "Just curious as to whether the multiple "affordable" housing
buildings going up on Shankpainter
are going to be pre-fab modulars
like the townhouses on Bangs St. Ext? "
Actually when I
saw all those minibuses parked in Jerome Smith lot I thought
those were second hand prefabs for Shankpainter---turns
out it is just our town
funded parking garage.
Monday, June 27, 2011
Absent Board Member
9:30 pm edt
If you aren't here for a substantial part of the year (regardless of
the fact that you own property and are a
tax payer,) you shouldn't be serving on
a town board. The job of an elected official is to serve the town and it's
residents. There's no way to do that effectively if you aren't here for a good
portion of the year.
9:28 pm edt
Hey, most of them phone it in anyway....
Re: Where is Donald Our Dancing Cop?
9:26 pm edt
Are you kidding? Do you really want to bring up this tired subject? I was on
this weekend and the traffic was moving right along. Let the
poor man retire in peace.
90 Shankpainter Road
1:43 pm edt
Just curious as to whether the multiple "affordable" housing buildings
going up on Shankpainter are
going to be pre-fab modulars like the townhouses on
Bangs St. Ext? Anyone know?
90 Shankpainter Road Ground Pounding
1:29 pm edt
I'm surprised that people expected 5 affordable housing buildings to go up in a
whisper. I read here last year
that this was a burn dump and that it would need
to be covered.
This is just the start: Expect months upon
months of wind blown dirt covering
everything in sight. Months upon months of skill saws starting at 7am.
What wealth these developers will be getting and all at our expense and peace of
mind and the quiet enjoyment of our
Where is Donald Our Dancing Cop?
1:27 pm edt
Was at lopez square this weekend. 2 cops directing traffic and people were
backed up forever. How
could 2 full time cops not get this right? Maybe
it's time to rehire Donald, that is if he was willing to
Would make visiting downtown not only enjoyable, but easy.
1:24 pm edt
How ridiculous! If you are not here for a good portion of the
winter, resign or don't join.
11:45 am edt
Why not let the Town Manager govern via skype also, and the rest of
town hall while we are at it? Parking
kiosks are above the mentallity here and
you want skype. That's a recipe for disaster if ever there was one.
could require people on town boards to attend in person. What a crazy thought.
board meetings is on the same level as the Green Line. Maybe even
a lower level. Such silliness.
Real Townie Passes
11:43 am edt
1) Minimal qualification requirements for seasonal unemployment benefits (time
card and work schedule reporting
"shifting" easily overcome the few state rules)
2) Massachusetts unemployment collected while working
in sunshine states
3) Tax payer subsidized affordable housing rented annually but occupied
JACKPOT: Combine passes 1,2 and 3 and you've got the Ptowner Townie JACKPOT.
9:27 am edt
"...Using Skype is a no brainer for better government in Provincetown!"
agree it's a good idea. Unfortunately state laws don't allow it yet.
Re: Board Attendance
9:25 am edt
I think if you look back in the archive you will see mr j's spotty attendance
record has been raised on this forum
before. BOH is a powerful board with direct
regulatory authority which voters cannot override. It should abide by the
charter. Mr J likes to cite science, how about he complies with the law?
Sunday, June 26, 2011
10:23 pm edt
New York passes Gay Marriages.
I wonder how this will affect our
10:21 pm edt
Perhaps if Provincetown voters who go to town meetings vote in favor
of board members being able to Skype in when
they are off Cape, we would not
have so many openings not so many absent board members. Using Skype is a no
for better government in Provincetown!
Saturday, June 25, 2011
Conflict of Interest on Town Boards
8:09 pm edt
Most times one does not check the minutes of a board
until there is an issue of concern. It is then that certain
points come to light such as attandence. I don't think
anyone is after Mr. Janson as a person but are voicing
about the process and procedures.
Resale of Town Water
12:31 pm edt
I have re-named the subscription water bottle service in Provincetown
selling our public water to tourist in cheap
plastic water bottles.
True-To-Nothing is more like it. It is public water that you are selling at our
and making a profit from. Go back to California and sell public water to
some sucker there.
Chair of Historic District Commission
12:29 pm edt
From the minutes
Three consecutive meetings
and he's the Chair?
Wake up Provincetown!
As someone posted earlier, don't be on a Board unless
here during the winter and are dedicated.
Most Boards meet every 2 weeks which gives a member
plenty of off time.
If you choice to spend more time away,
that is Your Choice, but then resign. Otherwise you are
non effective on
A former member of a board who resigned because I
knew I could not attend during the winter.
12:27 pm edt
So why does the owners of Aqua Bar and Provincetown Art House get away
with these violations? Who's are they
in the town building
department? I'd like to know. The Attorney General's office would enjoy knowing
Board of Health
12:25 pm edt
Now that the BOH has brought up a subject that is unpopular amongst
certain businesses (the outdoor smoking ban)
there is a witch hunt to try to
have Ken Jansen removed from the board. If you were so concerned about his
attendance and this has been going on for years, why wait until now to bring it
up? Because you do not like
the way the BOH is moving on the smoking ban. I am
sure if you checked all the town boards you would find plenty
of other board
members that are absent from meetings. As usual there are people pulling dirty
they are not happy with the dealings of a town board. The BOH is
here to deal with health issues, not economic issues.
12:24 pm edt
Speaking of the Ranch and which Howard owns, does the BOH know that
after 1PM? Oh, people on the street bring it in, but they
supply the mixers. Let howard
fix the ranch blatent rules before he goes
knocking other peoples business
Board of Health
10:18 am edt
at the moment the BoH has 5 members plus 1alternate.
How can Ken Janson sit as a full time member and yet
5 consecutive meetings? Bump Up the alternate as a
full member and remove Janson and find a new alternate.
so easy. But Mark Phillips, the Chair of BoH as well as Vice chair
of the Charter Commission can't see this?
what a blatant breach of protocol, Robert's Rules and Town
Letter to the Banner
9:29 am edt
I just love Howard Burchman's letter in the Banner re: BOH. What a hypocrite,
maybe he should allow the BOH to
inspect the basement of the RANCH, see if that
passes muster or even better have the BOH or Licensing or BOS drop into
Ranch when they have their Late night "socials"
to anyone that
walks in the door after 1 am. I am sure Howard wants the BOH and BOS to know
his business is run within all the rules and regulations pertaining to any
BOARD or town by-law!! Another blow hard
who loves to pontificate to the masses.
Here's Another Definition of Townie
9:26 am edt
When you've lived here long enough that the locals recognize you, know your name
and know you live here, you are
a townie. A townie is someone who is woven into
the fabric of the community.
If you have to tell people you
are a townie, you're not one.
9:02 am edt
"What townie passes and discounts really mean is that it is ok to
fleece and overcharge the visitors while
protecting the "locals" from the same
If you call a five dollar cover charge getting
"fleeced" then you'd better not
travel to a real city where most nightclubs charge ten to twenty dollars
admission. I think a cover charge is pretty standard and most of the local clubs
are more than fair in their rates.
Tourism is the biggest industry in this town.
If we don't charge the tourists money for services, we won't have much
economy, will we?
Also, if you feel like you're being fleeced, they why are you visiting here? You
are certainly free to vacation elsewhere.
Friday, June 24, 2011
7:02 pm edt
"Whitey", with all his stashed bucks, couldn't afford an "affordable"
unit in this town
at market rate for 16 years. Don't kid yourself. Not many
can. And that will be proven in the next few years.
Overdevelopment will kill
this town and already is.
Re: Town Boards
7:01 pm edt
If You Winter Elsewhere or Travel All Winter You Should not Serve on
theya re for people
who live in town and are in town. If you can't be here
during the winter--and that is your choices--you should not serve
on a town
board. It's as simple as that and as responsible as that.
Otherwise, we don't really have a board
that is continous in its debates and
issues and responsible to the residents and voters.
It's a sham and
a game to do otehrwise.
6:59 pm edt
Last year I was at a horse race track. As I was walking to the betting window I
had to pass the simulcast screens.
I noticed a horse named "Provincetown"
running at another track. Although he was listed as 20 to 1, I felt
that I was
obliged to place a sizable bet on the name of my home town. "Provincetown" won
by at least
15 lengths and I collected a considerable profit. I made money by
betting on the name of my home town and didn't have
to step on anyone's toes.
Re: To: The Question
6:57 pm edt
"...as the member notifies the chair of the planned absence,
that issue goes away."
Actually, no it doesn't. If one reads the charter, which I have from cover to
cover, it specifically says that all
aspects of every meeting must be noted and
clearly printed for public consumption. Now if a board member is "excused"
it is so noted in the minutes, then that indeed counts. However, if the board
member is simply listed as "absent"
in the minutes then that is just that:
absent. If the chair is so lax as to not note, and note specifically, that a
sitting member has been properly excused then the board member should be, by
every right, released from duty on
the board. And not for nothing, but a chair
of a board who does not do his job properly by "excusing" a member
and noting it
properly for the minutes probably shouldn't be on the board either, much less
the chair of said
board. Such lackadaisical behavior is indicative of someone
who is not organized and does not respect the process as
laid out by the charter
and proper rules of order.
6:55 pm edt
It's not towneis or not. We live here. We love this place. Then we are
Provincetownies. It's about how we feel
and how we coonect with each other. We
link up with some; others link up with others. But we are all here and what ties
us together is Provincetown. It's that simple and that great.
2:29 pm edt
I am happy that Whitey wasn't found living in an affordable unit in
To: The Question
1:51 pm edt
"Why is Ken Janson on the board of health when he misses so many
a. the charter allows removal only if you have 3 "unexcused" consecutive
so as long as the member notifies the chair of the planned absence,
that issue goes away.
very few people are volunteering for these boards. if someone who would
attend the meetings year round were to apply,
the selectmen would then owe us a
big explanation for not replacing ken.
its as simply as that. if
you don't like what this board is doing, you MUST
Re: "Unbridled, Unchecked Town Board Gone Wild"
1:49 pm edt
That should be the theme of Carnivals.
This is one of the funniest things I have seen on here in a
long time - awesome
Conflict of Intrest on Town Boards
1:47 pm edt
Mark Phillips, Chair BOH also former Chair and now
Vice Chair to the Charter Commission. And he does't
know the Charter. Chapter 3, section 3-1-3.
Miss 3 consecutive Meetings you are out. It is up to the Chair to
He is enabling Janson to remain a member of BOH and yet
disregards the Charter.
So much for leadership and
service to the best intrest to
Re: Ken Janson Vice Chair Board of Health
11:37 am edt
He is able to stay because he is "connected". Remember the name of
the game is connections.
Rules don't matter, bylaws don't matter. If you don't
like it, you could hire a private attorney at your own cost
to try to get the
town regulations that are ignored by the boards that decide on them, enforced.
Because it won't happen otherwise. Unbridled, unchecked town boards
gone wild. That should be the theme
of Carnivale. And, when asking for that
townie pass at the kiosk on Bangs St. Ext., don't forget to soak yourself
spray first, or you ain't getting anywhere near the end of Bangs St., especially
after this rain.
Town boards and mosquitos gone wild.
Ken Janson, Vice Chair, Board of Health
11:35 am edt
Feb no meetings
Yea, the Charter states 3-1-3
miss 3 consecutive unexcused meetings
you are out.
Why is he still on one of the most
11:33 am edt
Let's just agree do disagree on the smoking issue and MOVE ON. Festivus
Boards of Health
11:32 am edt
People! You better really start taking a good look at who is being appointed to
boards. The Board
of Health is one board that has autonomy. This is something
that can be scary and very dangerous.
Board of Health
8:32 am edt
Could someone please explain to me why Ken Janson is allowed to remain on the
board of health? A quick check of
minutes shows that he was absent for ALL
January through March meetings. A check back into older minutes shows that
is the pattern every year. He can't seem to be bothered to participate in any
winter meetings yet he shows
for spring and summers meetings. I didn't know
there were seasonal board seats. I thought there was a rule that if someone
missed a certain number of meetings they were removed.
8:01 am edt
What townie passes and discounts really mean is that it is ok to fleece and
overcharge the visitors while protecting
the "locals" from the same treatment.
Thursday, June 23, 2011
For What It's Worth...
10:46 pm edt
MY understanding has always been that townie passes are for the people who live
here (as opposed to tourists)
and that the reason we are awarded this perk is
that we, the locals, the working class, are being given a financial
because our kind business owner neighbors know that we are not wealthy
out-of-towners with lots of cash
to throw around.
10:44 pm edt
Sir or Madam
I noticed today that in Shout Out you allowed to be published the work
PORTERGUEE. Please understand
that historically this is the term to degrade
Portuguese immigrants such as the N word is used to degrade Black
people or if
you will, the same as other ethnic slurs. Kindly do not allow this term to be
used in your
blog. Thank you
Wow, I am Freaked Out!
10:41 pm edt
Don't tell me crazy, out-of-this-world stuff doesn't exist.
Yesterday, out of the clear blue for no reason
other than it popped into my head
for a blink while typing, I, rudely apparantly, as was jokingly? pointed out,
referenced "Amos and Andy". Then just now, and after years and years of never
hearing the phrase,
flipping through channels "Amos and Andrew" is on an Encore
channel. That's messed up. I might
have to do a serious house cleaning.
Granted, it would dwarf that required by town hall, but still, a daunting
at best. Wow, I am freaked out.
Sorry to blog the blog but I thought it weird enough to warrant
be deserving of appreciation on a base level. Thank you for listening.
10:38 pm edt
I wish the townie issue was a mute point. Then I wouldn't have to hear
Has the Banner Drunk the Koolaid?
10:37 pm edt
So it seems. This smoking ban is not about health. Research the real issue and
the real facts. It is a sham and
the Banner should not be supporting this
fabricated "health" issue when health has nothing to do with this.
Do you really believe that second hand smoke in a bar is less dangerous than
second hand smoke in a restaurant?
And do you really believe that second hand
smoke in a pool area with food is less toxic than second hand smoke in a
restaurant eating a hot dog?
Please. More thinking. Better reporting. More intelligent editorials.
10:29 pm edt
A voice from the Past that should be silent
This man has done more harm than good for this town. He has the
nerve to support
this ridiculous BOH. Who is paying this man for his words? He is more than a
He would do better with silence. He surely is no monk but
quietude would serve us all better.
10:27 pm edt
I care about it because it's being shoved in my face all the darn
time. I can't see anything more pressing than
philosophy, honestly. And insult
to the pain of seeing the thing you probably, really love most in the world
it even bigger to me.
Re: Flag of Portugal
10:25 pm edt
What I wore on my head was issued by the United States of America. I fly the
flag of Portugal upside down to signify
the death of the Portuguese culture in
Provincetown. Now sell townie passes at a kiosk on Bangs St. Ext. while you kick
us in the face.
More Pressing Issues Than "Townies"
3:14 pm edt
Please put the "townie" thing to bed. Enough. Mute point. Back to
like BOH violations being ignored, back door deals with
developers, the ineptness of town gov. and that absolutely awful
coming from the East End beaches at low tide. What is that? Did anyone ever
find out what
exactly was in that groundwater runoff dumped into the harbor?
Wasn't it being tested at some point by somebody
who took samples? I don't know
if I'd trust eating a clam or fish from here at this point without some concrete
answers as to testing results??? Is this being swept under the carpet for any
special reason or will it
ever be divulged? Follow up please??? The smell is
2:06 pm edt
Here we go again with the "who's a townie" bit. I do not think people
should be judged or treated
in any way different whether they are here year
round or less than year round. And I think a townie is someone
who was born and
raised here. So, if you were born and raised here, even if you have a second
you go to for 6 months of the year, you are still a townie in my book.
But who really cares? What is the
point of trying to define who is a townie and
who is not?
2:05 pm edt
"You're not a Townie if you don't LIVE here from December to March. Otherwise,
you are a VISITOR."
Is this really that important?
Why do people feel a need to point out their differences? I
live here the
entire year, the person across the street from my home does not. Does it make a
No, she's my neighbor, it's as simple as that.
11:50 am edt
You're not a Townie if you don't LIVE here from December to March.
Otherwise, you are a VISITOR.
Wednesday, June 22, 2011
11:41 pm edt
I am not a trained monkey, and do not exist for your amusement. The fact that
someone was sick enough- hey, why
not paint a green line through every single
painting of commercial street? Would that satisfy people who can't
paint in the
The fact that someone was sick and.. I hate to say it but.. VULGAR and CLASSLESS
enough to think of being able to print out and sell townie passes is insulting
to the rest of us. You can't purchase
my experience. I'll always get more 30
cent frappes, free coffee, bigger discounts, and have a much warmer and
time in MY hometown than your dirty, soulless money will ever buy.
Save your crap for an RNC convention. Or a
hooker. Trust me. I'm the girl on
the street who looks the most comfortable. I'm the girl who told you spiritus
was better than George's, I'm the one giving you directions to Marc Jacobs.
Dearest "Get Over Yourself?"
11:14 pm edt
How bourgeois! If you want to have the bragging rights about having a paid
membership somewhere, go to a country
Commodification of something that is deeply personal.. like a feeling of
belonging is an insult
to what Provincetown always claims it's about. As that
awful countess on bravo 'sings'- MONEY DOESN'T BUY YOU CLASS.
of thousands of dollars on making a previously gorgeous house look like an ugly,
hypothetically, I'm talking.. but sadly statistically
typical- does not give you the rights to claim that you truly
have something in
common with me. Let alone something that literally everyone I grew up with
counts as being special
about all of us individually. I'm sorry, but you
honestly proved me right. You don't understand, you never will understand
deeper poetry behind here- and what a truly magical place it is.
I didn't mean to be dramatic or anything
in my original post, but I noticed a
comment written by someone about going to see a show that he said insulted
townies, and growing up here, witnessing a LOT of tension, mostly unspoken- I
just wanted to throw something in about
how I love everyone. I always defend
both groups to eachother. And how valuable both really are to me. It was
supposed to be a love letter. I always sound negative. It's my fault.
This is the Worse Board of Health I've Ever Seen
11:11 pm edt
They are arrogant, self-centered and focused on their own issues. They are the
Some are away
for five months and then sit on the boar like an expert. If you're
not in town for five months, you should not sit on
a board--and not on this
Many people I know leave boards if they can't be here for meetings. But
you are away for the entire winter and still believe you can sit and rule on
this board. You are wrong.
If only this thick-headed chair had any .
But he is a puppet whose strings
are pulled by others.
Time for a change. Time for this board to be cleansed
and a new board established.
9:50 pm edt
Amos and Andy? What if I use Porterguee!
What's the Definition of Rude??
9:46 pm edt
Paaard doane e moi, Amos and Andy lovers. Try Chip and Dale, Ike and
Mike, Minnie and Mickey, Lucy and Desi,
Capt. Kurk and Spock, Popeye and Helen,
Iron Man and Bird's Nest, the dirty sponge in your sink, the BOH, the BOS, the
Building Dept., ConsCom, etc., etc. Pick your poison at your pleasure. The
truth is not RUDE, what's
happening to this town at the hands of money grubbers
Townie Discounts For Townies Only??
9:43 pm edt
Get Over Yourself!
We are regular weekend visitors and property owners and spend lots of money on
and in shops and restaurants keeping this towns economy afloat - probably
a lot more than those who live in Ptown year
round. A few perks and some townie
recognition isn't too much to ask for our role in the local economy.
BTW - with these perks we bring lots of friends and family to Ptown to visit and
spend money. Get
Re: Townie Discounts
9:39 pm edt
Townie discounts go to people who have a Provincetown address on their
Mass license . easy isn't it?
Asa que bandeira correctamente !
5:56 pm edt
How RUDE to use Amos & Andy on this blog!!!
Re: Smoking Ban
4:01 pm edt
Smoking is prohibited in bars to the person who thinks otherwise!
3:31 pm edt
That's just it. It's not about the rules, the rules don't matter.
It's about who you know. That
determines how much you can get away with. It's
time some of these violators were forced to pay fines, stop violations
their ducks in order. It is not fair. What is good for Amos is not good for
Andy and it stinks
as bad as the basement of the .
Flag of Portugal
2:42 pm edt
Please check your flag. Many of the flags flying this week are upside down!
Note: The shield of Portugal
should have its squared end of the shield at the
top of the flag pole and the rounded side of the shield towards the
This morning about a 1/3 of the flags on the pier are upside down and many of
flying from residences and businesses are also upside down.
Sua bandeira é de cabeça para baixo.
Re: Building Department
2:29 pm edt
The owners of Aqua Bar are the same group that owns Art House Theatre
which as you may recall last year had a
ticket booth erected on the sidewalk on
Commercial Street with a gigantic building commission violation sign posted
it. It's pretty clear that the owners don't care about Provincetown regulations.
I don't care who you know
in the building commission office everyone should play
by the same rules. I own a business here and I do. It's time
department has a shake down.
To: The Person Who Mentioned Townies and Discounts...
2:27 pm edt
I TOTALLY agree!
A townie discount is something that is offered not asked for! All these folks
asking for (and getting) townie passes and discounts and yet they are only here
for half the year at best...
don't mean to sound bitter... but seriously...
Am I Missing Something on the Blog?
12:19 pm edt
Not seeing insults tossed at townies or gay people but an awfully long response
Smoking is bad but what is being done in the way of overbuilding and
overdevelopment will have far more dangerous
ramifications to the health of this
town than passive smoke for a few months out of the year on an outside patio.
The BOH is out of control, no random inspections, ridiculous. I can think of
about 10 places that should
be closed immediately until the mold and dampness
issues are settled. And they serve the public. ConsCom
has completely dropped
the ball with regard to many projects and basically does nothing to protect the
environment, really. The Building Dept. can't get out of their own way
without tripping over some illegal aspect
of a project they've ignored.
11:18 am edt
What is lacking in the argument of the anit-smoking crusaders is the
fact that Provincetown is a vacation destination.
Period! That's all we got!
People come here to have fun. Little by little the PC (Politically Correct) element
that has taken
over this town is whittling away everything that makes this a desirable place
to spend dollars
in pursuit of some relaxation and pleasure. Every year the
season gets shorter and the year round population dwindles.
You Don't Get it
11:15 am edt
Being gay does not harm anyone, smoking harms not only the smoker by placing a
strain on our healthcare system,
but also through second hand smoke they damage
others. Please do not smoke anywhere!! that is the no brainer here.
R: "Don't Tread on Me"
11:13 am edt
The Gadsden Flag was first hoisted during the American
War of Independence. It was the symbol of civil rights
and freedom of choice. In 2009 the Tea Baggers took this
I am from the Old School and certainly
a Tea Bagger. Don't Tread On Me.
Re: "Non Smokers Outnumber Smokers by Large Numbers"
8:34 am edt
Just as straight people outnumber gay people by large numbers - what's your
point ? Everyone has a right
If restaurants want to allow smoking and you don't like it -just don't go there!
enough isn't it ?
And non smoking restaurants far outnumber smoking ones - so what's the big deal
choose one of them and leave everyone who does not subscribe to your
ideology - alone !!
8:25 am edt
You do all townies a disservice while looking like a homophobe and choosing
exceedingly poor wording. However
I'm really glad I never
saw the Ptown Diaries, because I really don't like being made to feel unwelcome
is, and will always be my hometown. I grew up here, most of my family
went to PHS.. I will not be insulted by washashores
who are only here to make
money and leave. We're too open to letting people come here, try to change our
just run off. I think part of us is still a pathetically grateful
poor portuguese community who feels it has to grovel
and whore itself out for
anyone who might actually want to be here. To equate developers abusing the
and trying to cram- this is not a rare phenomenon.. try out by the
castle in the west end? Five units? It looks like
it'll fall over! Why can't
some of my older townie compatriots express themselves without sounding like
idiots? The more of a douche you sound like the l!
ess likely people will listen to what are essentially valid
points. But the
minute you get chuffy about "I don't broadcast my sexuality like a sandwich
sound like Fred Phelps when I was a little kid at the Bas Relief.
Nobody 'broadcasts their sexuality like a sandwich
board.' Unless of course,
other people's sexuality makes you uncomfortable. There be yer problem, matey.
can't believe that someone who genuinely loves the spirit of this town would
ever talk trash and insult the portuguese
immigrants who helped make it what it
is today. I grew up eating portuguese food, singing portuguese songs in music
class and with my portugee friends. I also had great older gay people in my life
who were role models and heroes.
I love them all whole heartedly. If anyone
insults either community, I will absolutely defend them both to the death.
What is a 'true townie'? I am disgusted by people who are here for the summer
coming in my store and asking
for a townie discount. You do not ask for a townie
discount, one is bestowed upon you. If you have to ask for a townie
it's because nobody knows you! Asking is crass. Furthermore, when you tell
someone who grew up
here that you're a townie when you just moved here a little
while ago, it's like a mild insult to someone whose earliest
memories and life
all began here. You will never have the feeling about it that I do- it's not
just about making
money for me. When I've lived away for numerous reasons, I
see Provincetown and all my friends each night when
I close my eyes to go to
sleep. I'm getting a little teary now- but it is my heart, and the fact that
would spread animosity between either makes me incredibly sad.I feel like
all these developers and their friends
will never, ever understand that.
It's Not About Health
8:16 am edt
It's about harassment. This is a seriously flawed group of people who talk to
themselves, listen to themselves
and then believe the town feels as they do.
This is perhaps the worse Board of Health that this town has ever had. They
not only ignorant--and that includes Doctor Livinstone and all
the others. They are unschooled and worse:
If Second Hand Smoke Is So Lethal Then Why Is It OK for Bars?
8:12 am edt
Here's the contradiction. It's deathly if you get second hand smoke from a
restaurant but---oh---it is fine and
healthy if it comes from second hand smoke
in a bar--or by a pool--or sitting at town hall eating your hot dog.
No, this is unscientific and erroneous. Second hand smoke is a problem in all
placess--not only restaurants. So the
BOH needs to prohibit it from all bars,
all places where people sit, smoke and eat a dog.
they are nutty as a fruit cake at Christmas. They all need a real
job. They have too much time on their hands.
Tuesday, June 21, 2011
11:16 pm edt
AH yes, Don't tread on me! The republican tea party slogan. Need I
say more about why we don't want smoking
around outdoor restaurants? Luckily
they are out numbered here. Second hand smoke KILLS!
7 Masonic Place
9:42 pm edt
Glad to see the banner mentioned that 7 Masonic was granted a license even
though the owner ran an illegal guest
house. First time I have seen the banner
print something negative in a very long time.
The banner even called the
building commissioner, and was told where the owner paid the fine, the case was
I am Still not pleased with our BOS for not asking more questions.
Shame on them all. David B should
have had more common sense.
6:04 pm edt
Chuck Silva apparently doesn't belive in free speech and expressed outrage at
the postings. Well sorry,
and tend the home fires first before giving any more time to
volunteer boards that need a shake up anyway.
Back to the old days and the old
boys network huh? Welcome to 2011, nothing is private for very long.
Live and Let Live!
3:33 pm edt
This only applies when the thing you do to live does not harm others. Remember
"Live" is a dirivitive
of "Life", When your activity "smoking" injures others
"second hand smoke", in common
law it becomes a crime and not a right.
In Re: to Smoking
3:30 pm edt
Yes those ads are horrendous ,
however until the Commonwealth
of Massachusetts and / or the Federal
banishes the sale of
smoking impliments they are legal.
Go through the system in legistration
to change the
rules but at this point,
"Don't Tread On Me".
I do not wish to ban smoking altogether you
are confusing the issue! It should
and is being looked at in many places in banning it in public places including
outdoor public places! NYC has already implemented such bans. It is only
short time! Smoke
at home where it effects only you and those who live with you
if they choose!
In Regards to the Smoking Issue
3:27 pm edt
Yes it is legal but when your habit
directly effects the health of others around you, which it has been proven
do, then that right will be taken away as it it occurring now! I don't want to
make it illegal as to
each his own, but take it indoors in the privacy of your
own home or on a sidewalk where I can get away from the harm.
The laws are
coming so get used to it now! Non smokers outnumber smokers by large numbers,
If you can't sit at an outdoor cafe/restaurant and enjoy a meal
without having to offend and disgust and harm peoples
health by lighting up
because you can't wait to get out side the area or just go on the street like
if you are indoors at a restaurant and need the fix, then you have a
problem much greater than the issue at hand!
Re: Aqua Bar
3:24 pm edt
Aqua bar did a bunch of construction last year and there was no town
building permit posted at the property as
required. They also replaced the deck
and sunk some foundation footings into the ground on the beach side which
require a Chapter 91 permit from the state because the construction was within a
wetlands zone. But,
of course there were no such permits posted. So the fact
that you see a violation of the sign law is peanuts compared
to what they did
without proper permitting. Now it seems they erected a canopy over the bar. I
they took a permit for that either. Some people and businesses get
special treatment, or they just do as they
please and the town looks the other
12:29 pm edt
Yes those ads are horrendous ,
however until the Commonwealth
of Massachusetts and / or the Federal
banishes the sale of
smoking impliments they are legal.
Go through the system in legistration
to change the
rules but at this point,
"Don't Tread On Me".
12:27 pm edt
I myself have noticed the temporary banner sign Aqua Bar is using. I
called the building department directly and
voiced my concerns. My business is
across the street and I would not be allowed to hang a banner like that since it
conflict with the sign ordinance rules.
I was told that they would speak to the owner and put a stop to it.
I guess I know why it's still hanging there every day now.
Someone's getting something from someone. I'm
calling the town manager to speak
with her about it today.
Dear Facts on Smoking...
12:26 pm edt
The discussion is really about choice and rights if a restaurant allows
smoking,do not go!!!
Smoking is a Legal Activity
12:24 pm edt
We don't need lectures on its dangers. If people want to smoke, let them. If
people want to drink, let them. If
people want to eat and eat, let them. Live
and let live.
10:38 am edt
10:35 am edt
The rest of our businesses need to abide by the town's sign
regulations limiting the use of banners and sandwich
boards but The Aqua Bar
over at Aquarium can hang a banner in clear violation simply because
likes to get
there from time to time.I wish
would come get free products from my business and my neighbors.Imagine
the banners we could hang and get
away with it to draw in more customers?Why
isn't Sharon Lynn keeping an eye on these departments and the favoritism
Autonomy of Boards
8:47 am edt
Let us not confuse "Autonomy" with "Anarchy"
Affordable Housing is a Joke
7:51 am edt
If anyone knows someone who is renting an apt that is suppose to be "affordable
housing" ask them what
they are paying for rent and you'll be suprised to hear
they are all paying eqivalent to what the going rate is if they
were to rent
from someone who is just a normal landlord.
Monday, June 20, 2011
10:23 pm edt
They can't handle the truth about smoking on here. It's all about them.
Affordable Housing-Provincetown's Big Business
9:44 pm edt
AFFORDABLE HOUSING NOW--MARKET RATE IN THE FUTURE
We gave the developers the land and they will create a
and they will rake in the rents via the taxpayer's dollar.
The time will come when
these too will be market rate units. Affordable Housing
is the BIG BUSINESS of Provincetown! 90 Shank Painter Rd and
Race Road all
coming at once. Look out Provincetown--save your money for the extra police
needed to patrol these
affordable housing projects.
"Affordable" Housing Should Not be Happening, at All, Period!
7:23 pm edt
Absolutely no reason for it other than money for the developer. The cost
(stress on infrastructure,
abuse of natural environment and yes, innocent lambs,
possible crime - not racist or bias, just fact), SCREAMS DUMB
MOVE. The basic
structure of this town is being SERIOUSLY UNDERMINED by a few who think they are
above the law
and control the rest. IT'S A POWER STRUGGLE. What will people
filling mulitple units do in the winter with
no jobs to support themselves?
Live off gov. vouchers and then the extras for HBO and smokes, etc. come from
where? You figure it out. No lie, fact.
Even those on Section 8 probably don't want to go through a winter here. The
only entities benefitting
are THE DEVELOPER and his/her payroll. After only a
few seasons, BAM, FULL MARKET VALUE is the name of the game!
. The puppets at town hall who shake their heads and smile, knowing all the
time this is BAD FOR THE TOWN, REALLY
BAD, but good for them and their pockets,
need to leave. NOW.
When is this town going to wake up to
the fact that town officials are robots
fueled by visions of grandeur? How many ignored violations have to be
witnessed? So what, to enforce town bylaws you have to hire a private attorney?
Yeah, that's fair
and legal. I, for one, am sick of it. Am sick of Ptown being
raped so a few can cash in. And any defense
about the great "progress" of this
town needs to take a ride down the East End to what used to be a quaint
street marked now by oversized empty shells sitting against a rusting wall
replacing daisies and ladyslippers
(not protected after all?)? If that's
progress, I'd rather have digression.
The Town Manager Should Attend Critical Meetings
6:22 pm edt
She should know what is going on and how the town is responding to major changes
in town regulations. She is paid
to do more than sit in her office. She needs to
be present when certain board take unprecedented steps to rewrite town
policies. I want a town manager who is involved, engaged and present at key
To: Gregg Daniels
6:20 pm edt
Dear Gregg Daniels
I am glad you reaised these questions and that Doug Johnstone answered your
as he did. I'm glad it was printed here since no one on the Board of
Health was going to take your concerns seriously.
Glad you raised the questions
and the issue of conflict of interest. This Board refuses to answer questions
by lawyers and residents and business owners. Thanks again.
5:47 pm edt
I sent a comment in regarding the dangers of smoking with several
links with fact based science to back it up.
Why do you not show it here?
4:06 pm edt
Chuck Silva should resign his position as Prsident after his
performance at the Pilgrim Monument meeting, he is
devisive, mean and dishonest.
They need a leader, not a angry, businessman who only thinks of the almightly
buck and not the heritage of the town that he no longer lives in. His
performances on PTV over the bathroom
at his laudromat make it clear he should
not be in a position of authority. Do the right thing Chuck step down
your cronies with you.
Let the people who care about this town run the show. It's a disgrace.
90 Shankpainter Road Affordable Housing Pit
4:04 pm edt
Why did they dig out the old burn dump and only now filling it in? Is it to
raise the land above the water table?
What is going ON?
What is going on there????--drive by and see for yourself. Another comedy of
Town Manager at Board Meetings......
1:02 pm edt
The Town Manager should not be expected at regulatory board meetings. The boards
have delegated authority
from the Selectman (or the Town Meeting/Moderator/Enterprises
in some cases). As a courtesy, town employees sometimes
help staff board
meetings, but that's it.
Provincetown's Town Manager is neither a Mayor nor the 6th Selectman
a highly paid staffer. The Town Manager implements but creates neither policy
It was our Board of Selectman Chair
who should have been at the BOH
meeting to signal the BoS views.
Blatant Violation of Town By-laws?
10:30 am edt
7 Masonic is not alone in the boat filled with rigged deals. Do other
Cape towns allow blatant violation
of town by-laws? No. Do other Cape towns
ignore conflicts of interest? No. Would any other Cape
town allow a town
official to receive a substantial "loan" from a developer during construction of
controversial project? No. Would this same town official be allowed to "sit
in" on meetings during
which this project was presented? No way. Come on. The
convenient "blind eye" to violations
must stop. Manipulation and money are
steering decisions and projects rather than responsibility and duty.
story" needs to be told. This behavior is not in Provincetown's best interest
is wrong and enough is enough.
Monday, June 20, 2011
12:03 am edt
The end result of the meeting, after more than 2.5 hours, was that the term
limit of trustees was extended
from 12 years to 13 (not the 15 years trustees
had sought); so that Chuck Silva can stay president for one more year,
some under-explained structural problem gets resolved that he supposedly is best
suited to lead fixing.
A prior trustee led the anti-15 effort, with much member support, and it caught
the current trustees by
surprise, some of whom said that after this year they
will live with the 12 year limit.
The meeting was a
mess as the prior summary described, with lightly-veiled
personal insults thrown in for good measure from both sides,
references to past
Town meeting fights, loud snide side comments...
Do all other towns have such long-standing
ingrained nasty hard feelings, where
decisions often seem personal not fact-based? Or is Provincetown fairly unique
11:59 pm edt
Re: "ligent response? Why not?..."
I'm curious to whether you are requesting the
Town Manager begin to tell
committees what they can and can not do? Why even have committees?
7 Masonic Place
11:55 pm edt
Who cares what the sq feet per room is by the towns laws? The law was
broken, that the owner of 7 masonic
place did not pay sales tax to the state and
town of Provincetown, while renting out illegal rooms for 7 years.
Not like he didn't know what he was suppose to do. He bragged to everyone in
town that he
didn't collect sales tax for the rooms he rented. And if the
state goes after him, he will claim he
did 95% less business than he really did,
so we still get screwed out of the sales tax that was due both to the state
Going back to the original post, how could the BOS not ask any questions to the
owner of 7 masonic
place on everything he has done illegally in our town. Oh
wait, onf of the BOS is his friend, and admited he got
his health insurance paid
for 2 months while working on the property and falling off a ladder. Guess that
makes the owner a nice guy for the rest of the BOS?
Oh, Peter (the owner) claims he will be living in
Provincetown year round? Not
very likely either. Just another lie.
7 Masonic Place
11:51 am edt
According to the Zoning By-Laws, if this property is now to be a 7 room
lodging house, it is required to have
a lot with 1000 sq feet per room and 2500
sq feet for the "owner's quarters:
Number of Units Proposed
Number of Square Feet/Unit Required
First 1-10 1,000
For the next 11-20 1,500
For the next 21-30 2,000
For the next 31-40 2,500
For the next 41 units and beyond 3,000
Number of Units Proposed Number of Square Feet/Unit Required
First 1-4 2,500
That would make a 9,500 sq foot
lot. The lot on which this property sits is a
postage stamp, not 9,500 sq feet.
I'm jus sayin'.........
Report From the Annual Pilgrim Monument Meeting
11:49 am edt
Its truly too bad this
meeting wasn't taped for PTV. the trustees put forward a proposed bylaw that
change term limits for trustees from the current 12 years, to 15. after
it became obvious that the membership was not
going along with that plan, the
trustees proceeded to insult and brow beat the members , including threatening
that if they didn't extend Mr Silva's presidency, the entire organization
would legally cease to function. the employees
would not get paid. the
organization would go into 'receivership'. most of this was greeted with sheer
the current trustees that spoke in favor of this nonsense should
resign. it was the most unprofessional piece of nonsense
i have ever witnessed.
ask anyone who was there.
11:48 am edt
How does giving another seasonal restaurant more seating capacity allow for
"TRUE" job Growth?
Allow new businesses to open so that the again population can get work..we can't
be a wait staff forever.
Allowing a restaurant to put more of their own staff on the floor doesn't help
out the community. Look how many places
are closing earlier in the season?
5 years ago a year round restaurant used to be swamped with a line out the door.
Last night is was all calm and quiet
11:46 am edt
Ms evans and the health department do not do unexpected,surprise
Inspections on eating establishments in town.the
Set up the appointments for the inspections.so,they clean once a year
For ms evens and not again
till next year for the license.
I have worked in many cities/towns and this is not the norm,they
All do surprise
I have worked in many places in town and if you saw what i have
Doug Johnstone Letter
11:45 am edt
Obviously since that letter was sent by doug johnstone is is a matter
of public record. since a friend told me
about this i came on line and saw this.
though i am glad that i spoke to doug and am glad that the town will be asked
those questions i am concerned that this letter was printed without the chance
that towm management got to respond
(after all it is the weekend) and i am
concerned that someone leaked a letter giving people's personal data out. let
the town management meet ... i will let you know what they say.
Yes, Sharon Sat There For the BOH Meeting
11:41 am edt
but that is the problem. She just sat there for some part of the meeting. She
did not speak. She did not add anything
significant. Sharon just sat there. Then
in lies the problem. Anyone, I am sad to say, can just sit there.
Can't we expect more from Sharon? Can't we expect some intelligent response? Why
Does Ann McQuire
have her tongue? What about us? enough is enough, Sharon. Taske
control and lead, for God's sake.
Board of Health
11:39 am edt
The reason Greg Russo did not appear at the BOH meeting is quite obvious, he is
a coward, if he is a man of his
convictions he should have stood up in public
and voiced his support of changing the regulations, Many may not agree
position but should respect the fact he stated his case but that is not going to
happen, His real estate
business and Joe's coffee is a "house of cards" that can
come tumbling down at any time. Everyone should read
Banker and Tradesman and
see who in town has lent He and Scoot tens of thousands of dollars for the "new
shop. Ask one of our BOS members, ask a realtor who just retired and got
an economic development permit to change from
a year round business to a year
round high end condo so she can hang her shingle/license at Sotheby's!! It is an
Board of Health
11:37 am edt
The meeting was well attended and there was unanimous requests via email,
letters and citizens and tourists
alike who all requested that the smoking regs
not be altered or changed. If the BOH continues to ignore the public and
wishes they should all be removed. I am going to attend the BOS and ask them to
put in writing or to take
a vote as to whether to instruct the BOH whom they
appoint to cease and desist from changing the smoking regulations.
makes no sense, CLOSE the cesspool of a bar where people drink and eat upstairs
that is full of backflow
of god knows what on the floor of the bar which
everyone knows is a "health hazard" but is remaining open
with one means of
egress in and out. Where is the BOH or its agent on this situation. The regs
they are proposing
are not well thought out and should be set aside for the fall
to have an open discussion with all parites that are affected
by these draconian
7 Masonic Place and 95 Bradford Street
11:35 am edt
Clearly, the owner of 7 masonic Place and 95 Bradford street were
given insight to the BOS from Austin Knight
in what to present to the BOS and
who to have speak in favor of the application for the BOS. Knowing all
laws that were broken for so many years, I can not help but wonder why not one
question was asked from any
current board member.
Got it Finally
11:34 am edt
Who knew? A letter of objection is all it takes to
raise town gov. awareness to violation and get things
THIS TOWN GOVERNMENT NEEDS A HIGH POTENCY COLONIC. STAT.
People sway boards
with "gestures of kindness". Town officials get special
incentives from developers. (Well, one
for sure at least). Proven fact.
Who are these people putting on the biggest show in town?
"Smoking Ban Town Meeting" was no better than the town meeting called to address
abutters to Bangs St. I, personally, am insulted by the label of "stupid" these
have given me.
How about you? Or are you on the payroll because, honestly, this town is out of
control and the future does not look good. Disagree? How could you??????
Saturday, June 18, 2011
BOS June 13th Meeting
5:30 pm edt
Watched the meeting on TV and so sad that the 7 Masonic guest house license was
granted by the BOS to a person
that has lied to the town for the past 9 years.
Not one selectman asked the owner why he had not had a valid
license for the
past 7 years and also, why he never collected sales tax that the town will never
And do not forget, this is the same owner who bout 95 Bradford
Street and turned that into a 7 bedroom house from what
was a legal 4 bedroom
house. Guess you can always pull the wool over our BOS. Not one of them
Annual Monument Meeting ?
3:37 pm edt
Yes, would like to know what is going on. Chuck has not been very business
friendly to a group of business
in town. Have a half dozen or so business that
has stopped sending visitors to the monument. It certainly
is a shame if Chuck
is leading the monument into its ruin.
One Man's Poison!
2:52 pm edt
What about alcohol? Doesn't that destroy lives? Doesn't it's effects kill and
maim? Yet people still
abuse it. What about overeaters? They overeat until
they develop diabetes. heart disease and a myriad
of other ills. It's a
person's personal choice! The Land of the Free....indeed!!
When Will They Get it Right?
2:51 pm edt
The BoH flubbed it again. They postponed the June 2 meeting
because of miss prints. They then posted the notice
and slashes but yet did not change the date to the 16th.
It reads"June 2,2011@ 4pm @ Town Hall.
In all due respect, the film festival was showing a film
and did not allow entrance to non ticket holders who
that they were there for Town business. The film group should
have been notified that Town Hall was still
open for business
and to allow people in. If the Town is renting space then they
need to Get their act together!
Smoking Ban Proposal
9:54 am edt
"Somehow, someone on this blog forgets that second hand smoke is
That's why we have so many corpses in the street in July.
Stop your alarmist hoo-ha. There is not one conclusive
scientific study that was
not financed by the American Cancer Association or some other entity that is
by the pharmaceutical companies. Not one. I spent five hours or so
today doing research on this and even the Surgeon
General said that smoking six
feet away from a non smoker posed no detectable health risk for the non smoker.
And lets not forget that this has NOTHING to do with smoking. It has to do with
control of the few by the one who
wants an ordination. Mark Phillips, has his
little brain in a twaddle and wants to control everybody's actions that
not agree with. One thought; Phillips has driven his own business--the Beacon
Light--into reckless financial
ruin and is in foreclosure. The bank is about to
yank it from him, and yet he is intent on acting like a monarch who
best for others. And to the following point I urge him to take serious note:
WE WILL SHOUT YOU
DOWN. WE WILL PREVAIL IN REASON. THIS IS NOT 9 YEARS AGO AND
WE WILL NOT ABIDE WITH FURTHER NONSENSICAL ECONOMIC HARM.
You are a small, little man who has an agenda, made a mess of your own business
and you cannot do the same
to ours on flimsy science, stupid assumptions and bad
Clean up your own house, Sir. Do not
soil our legal, constitutionally embraced
livelihoods, with your cancer-drip of self-aggrandizement.
Re: Board of Health Meeting
9:51 am edt
"...the Town Manager should get involved"
Oh, she was there. For about 20 minutes.
Heard half the letters, spent five
minutes on her iPhone, and then left the room. She had no reaction whatsoever. I
don't think she cares one way or the other. Of course that
who is the
"chair" would not have allowed her to speak anyway. He had his rules about
She knows he's a liability I suspect. Yet, if I were her I would have
sided with the group who came in support of freedom
and told the smug idiot to
listen to the people. But so it goes in politics.
Frankly, we should sack them
Board of Health
9:49 am edt
Good luck trying to get the BOH to change any vote just because the
town wants it to. A few years back, the towns
people & town manager wanted dogs
to run freely on the towns beaches 24/7, but the BOH has more power than the
voters and/or town government when it comes to the health and well being of the
town it serves.
Annual Monument Meeting
9:47 am edt
What happened at the annual members meeting at the Monument today?
Open revolt against the long-standing
trustee group, especially Chuck Silva that
had him almost walk out in the middle?
Would like to hear the
scoop from someone who was there and knows.
Friday, June 17, 2011
BOH - Appeal
9:55 pm edt
What is the appeal period for any decision and how does it work ?
How could the restaurants appeal ?
More Pressing Health News!
9:46 pm edt
If you have witnessed septic or dirty water in the basement of an establishment,
or any possible violation in
an establishment then take pictures and send them
to the Health Department.
It's the responsibility of the
Health Department to make sure each and every
establishment that handles food and the consumption of beverages is clean
safe for people to eat and drink in.
Perhaps the Health Department should stagger their hours so inspections
performed in evening hours, since certain activities seem to take place after a
certain time of the day.
I happen to have a business license and am very conscientious about the
operation of my business.
the town not have two or three inspectors in this field?
9:44 pm edt
I agree with the recent comments about the basement of the Gov.
Bradford. It smells disgusting down there. Last
summer they tried to cover up
the smell by burning incense. I don't know what is causing the moldy stench, but
can't be healthy and should probably be looked into.
9:42 pm edt
Somehow, someone on this blog forgets that second hand smoke is
Board of Health
9:40 pm edt
Town Manager should get involved -
If one board in town blatantly were to go against the wishes of the majority
not to mention the wishes of the copious amounts of letters and speakers on the
subject - the Town Manager should
get involved or Town Attorney.
3-5 people do not have the right to go against the wishes of the majority to
implement their ideology.
9:39 pm edt
I am totally confused. How do "parking staff" work
7 months again?
think the poster assumed starting in April when parking lots open for paying
customers ending at the end of October
when it stops. That's 7 months, have no
idea how many of the parking dept staff work 7 months or work less than
I also don't know if someone works say four months, how many months can they
It would be interesting to see if you add the time worked
for seasonal staff to the unemployment paid out what is the
total cost to
employee someone. Wonder what the 'real' hourly pay would be for each position.
Board of Health
9:37 pm edt
Typical politics in Provincetown. Public meeting held so that
protocol was followed and the public was given
a chance to speak. Even though
it was a joke and no town counsel was there. Continuance my rear-end.
Something was decided yesterday. You may not know what that decision was but,
believe me, there was a decision.
The public is on a need to know basis and
they don't need to know. As long as the BOS knows. Soon, any appeal
will be up on what was decided behind the scenes and the new regs will be
announced and put into place.
The BOS defense, when public outrage hits, will
be "no one complained during the appropriate appeal period when
chance". Restaurants being picked on but not Guest Houses, bars, etc. Golly
that's weird? Look who's on the boards and then look at who would
benefit the most from these new regs.
Not rocket science, pretty simple. Wake
up Ptown, again you are being used for nothing more than a cash cow.
For the chosen few.
Board of Health
9:34 pm edt
I don't understand the BOH? Are they now going to RE-POST the smoking
ban issue in the paper so at the next
meeting WHEN THE ENTIRE TOWN IS IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE HIGH SEASON, and no one can attend, they will vote what the BOH
Seems that these boards do things for themselves and not for those they serve.
Mark Phillips BOH Chair
5:33 pm edt
The behavior of Mark Phillips as chair of the Board of Health was
reprehensible yesterday. It is patently clear
that he has no knowledge about how
to conduct or chair a meeting. His pugnacious attitude was palpable and,
unsettling to the audience who attended.
Mr. Philips was smug, spoke in a sheepish all-knowing whisper, and did
one bit to what the citizens of the town had to say. As the BOH is an autonomous
board, i.e., they
can make law without regard to what the consensus of the citizenry
believe, he is acting like a fascist dictator to
hammer through his own personal agenda.
This behavior of a town board member chairman should not be tolerated.
I am angered by such a display of ineptitude, rudeness and downright disdain for
the people who he is supposed to
serve responsibly. He believes that he is doing
the right thing, but the fact is that HE HIMSELF was one of the complainants
when it came to the second hand smoke issue. He and another board member (who is
no longer serving) specifically
targeted certain establishments out of spite,
anger and jealously as to their success.
Indeed Mr. Phillips
personally cost the town a sizable amount of money last year by
paying Town Council to attend meetings, which were no
more than veiled attempts
to harass two respected business owners who pay enormous taxes to the town.
in this latest round, he was the singular vote to ram through changes to
the ordinances concerning smoking WITHOUT THE
LANGUAGE WRITTEN OR AGREED
UPON BY HIS FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
He was, thankfully, outvoted and we have a
reprieve until compromise can be
found. However, in that one stroke of a vote, that one move toward implementing
something that had not yet been written, he showed his true color, which is as black
and mean-spirited as the Devils
We must not allow this reign of terror by this diminutive man to continue. If
you think smoking outside
is the serious issue then I would dare to remark that
you are sorely mistaken. The true, abhorrent danger lies in retaining
ego-maniacal fiend as chair of the BOH as he will come after us on other issues
later issues that he, and
only he, deem worthy.
12:41 pm edt
There were none:
There was no letters, and not one person who attended
The BOH meeting that spoke
for the new BOH regs.
Wasn't a public hearing?
The public spoke.
Prevented From Attending Board of Health Meeting
12:38 pm edt
FYI - Just found out that people where denied coming to the BOH meeting at
the front door by Film Festival People
(not really their fault) but asked 3
times to be allowed to attend the BOH and were denied.
FYI - They
way the BOH wants to write up this smoking ban - guess which business
will not be on the list. Joe's Coffee (the one's
who started this in the first
That's just perfect!
12:34 pm edt
YOU should get your facts straight. Municipalities DO NOT pay into the
unemployment insurance system.
The state may write the unemployment check, but
they then bill the town for the cost. The town PAYS the full unemployment
You should stop spreading untruths.
12:33 pm edt
Re: "The town pays into the unemployment system for each working
person, and when a claim is filed, the
state pays the person. The town does
not have to pay additional payments to the unemployed.
Get your facts right
before claiming untruths. But that is what 75% of this blog is about. UNTRUTHS"
You may wish to get your facts right before you post. As a matter of fact the
NOT pay into a state fund. The town is billed by the State for ACTUAL
unemployment claims and does NOT pay into
an 'unemployment system' like the
private sector. If you want verification of the real facts you could check with
the town finance director as I did.
Board of Health's Actions Questionable
12:30 pm edt
Who can understand what they are doing? who knows what is motivating this group?
Why do they want to hurt restaurants
while now protecting bars? It is not only
odd; it is confusing and raises questions about their motives. They are also
protecting guest houses since you can have breakfast and smoke while if you
tried to do the same in an outdoor
restaurant, they now want that prohibited.
Provincetown does not need this type of Board of Health. They are not
but hurting businesses, patrons and the town itself. I find they are using
"health" to hurt
and almost harass restaurants.
11:27 am edt
To the person that said "then the town pays me
unemployment for five months." is not correct.
The town pays into the
unemployment system for each working person, and when a claim is filed, the
the person. The town does not have to pay additional payments to
the unemployed. Get your facts
right before claiming untruths. But that is
what 75% of this blog is about. UNTRUTHS
11:25 am edt
Thank you Greg Russo for stirring the pot and not having
the common decencey to show up to present your complaint.
You got ?
Recall the Board of Health
11:22 am edt
How dare they call a Public Hearing without counsel. Yet,
when 3 members were asked to recuse, they refused, claiming
that they had counsel. Yet, they refused to show documentation
on the determination.
They want to drag the issue
to the extent that WE
will buckle. July 2 for another meeting. What a joke.
They need a Doctor on the board but
what are Their
It is funny that the alternate, Laurie was at the last meeting
full quoram and yet was not in attendance yesterday.
She is the only other one with some kind of health background.
More than 30 letters not in favor for the new regs, not
one for. You would think that they would get the message.
Oh no, they have already made up their minds.
10:05 am edt
I used a parking kiosk a few months ago. It was ridiculous. In cities
all over the world they use some type of
these and they are easy and efficient.
What happened in Provincetown? I have used them in France where I cannot read
the instructions and it is more user friendly. The parking space number is never
required and the denominations
are easier to figure out. Oh and the brightly
colored plastic Jersey barriers surrounding them are a lovely addition
attention paid to detail on the surrounding buildings. Classy to look at and
easy to use, not.
Board of Health Meeting
10:03 am edt
FYI... of course no one from Joe's Coffee attended ... they still
want money and they still deny they ever said
it. the matter was put off for
another open hearing since the board did not clarify or write what they are
about. That said with so many letters, speakers and alot of people in
the room not one letter wanted the ban and no
one showed up in favor of the ban!
Outside of one board member the rest seem to not care about input,that 4 had
really got together and decided ahead of time to push their way. The only thing
that did come out of the meeting was
that everyone felt that they lied to the
participants ... When ask if town council was proached ... They said yes...
Asked for their answer, the room was told that they did not have to answer that
... Public record? Many asked
why board members could vote on this? Half the
room had been on a board and knew they were lying. Time to bring in selectmen
Who is Mark Phillips?
10:01 am edt
Does anyone know? who is he really? Odd man and a dangerous one. I don't think
he is making decisions for
BOS. But someone surely is directing his votes, his
changes, his decisions.
Time for the real Mark Phillips
to stand up. We'll be shocked when we find out
who he really and actually is. A rather dark force; a rather questionable
The Three Monkeys Were Really Five Monkeys at the BOS Meeting
9:59 am edt
See no Evil. Hear no Evil. Speak no Evil. Well, that is pure bull. These five
nincompoops were already
determined to vote the changes. They cared little about
the public, about businesses, about common sense. They are little
that chair is the SS of the group. They are dangerous. They are
control freaks. They are sad representatives of what this town is like.
Who made them gods? They are arrogant
and sadly not very bright. There is little
thinking in their decisions. But someone is controlling the puppets on this
board. Someone knows who's behind these syncophants.
Thursday, June 16, 2011
Re: More Pressing Health Issues
11:56 pm edt
I will never go to the basement of the bradford for the
same reason .
So, Who Was at the BOH Meeting?
11:54 pm edt
Did the BOH take a vote?
Did Greg Russo show up? Did he speak in favor or against?
The reg workers of Ptown that could not attend would like to know. Thanks in
advance for any insight
Okay, You Got Me
11:52 pm edt
I am totally confused. How do "parking staff" work
7 months again? Last time I noticed,
town lots requiring "parking staff" were
up and running for maybe 4 months tops. (May?, June, July, August,
Sept.?) ? =
1/2 a month like 4 = 2 when it suits the moment.
Or do you mean the parking staff
needed to clean and oversee the bonus offered
to developers during the off season? You know. When important
violations are blatantly ignored and raw sewerage is allowed to sit in a public
space and leak all over
Yeah, worry about smoking but let crap flow in a public parking lot abutting the
So a developer can make more money. Par for the course. Sickening at
11:49 pm edt
Don't forget even if we are doing well with the Kiosk revenue versus meters, but
we bought the wrong type of parking
kiosk. Since we use them not as they were
designed to be used, they are harder for parking patrons to figure out, less
reliable and more expensive to maintain and monitor.
More Pressing Health Issues
11:11 pm edt
Fag Bash downstairs at Governor Bradford is usually stinky,but last night was
extra stinky. Not only is there
usually standing water on the floor,where
patrons have to stand on bar mats to keep their feet dry,and the stench of
growing who knows where but last night smelled like septic as well.How much
longer can the town and the health
dept. ignore these issues. Since when does
this particular business get a free pass for serious health problems especially
when drinks are being served in this discusting environment and food is being
served upstairs. How long before
someone comes down with respiratory ailments
and how long will the town just turn it's head. Who needs to be informed
the State Heath Dept. or maybe one of the boston TV stations. Let them do some
Just Not Healthy Down There !!!
12:27 pm edt
Hmmmm, wonder if the posters blasting the parking kiosks are parking
staff who can see the parking kiosks making
their job obsolete? Guess I'd be
worried too about my job where I work for seven months and then the town pays
unemployment for five months.
12:26 pm edt
"Who says parking is up 50% so far this year? I spoke to a live
attendant at the lot near
the high school. She said she has never seen it so
slow the past few months, excluding memorial day".
Read the prior post. The discussion was not about the parking lots, but about
kiosks and their increase in revenue. I don't know how parking is
doing overall, just that the parking kiosks
are doing very well.
Re: Board of Heath Meeting
10:05 am edt
"Today @ 4pm @ Town Hall.
This is a Public Hearing and is open
to all; residents and non residents."
Great - how many non-residents or second home owners (who are 50% plus of this
town) are in Ptown
on a Thursday at 4pm to participate and make their voices
Got to love the way this town operates
Parking Revenues.....What's the Truth?
8:49 am edt
Who says parking is up 50% so far this year? I spoke to a live
attendant at the lot near the high
school. She said she has never seen it so
slow the past few months, excluding memorial day.
Will He Be There?
8:48 am edt
I wonder if Greg Russo will attend the BOH meeting
today. Afterall, he started this whole mess.
Board of Heath Meeting
8:47 am edt
Today @ 4pm @ Town Hall.
This is a Public Hearing and is open
to all; residents and non residents.
owners and employees.
Smokers and non smokers.
Please make your voice heard.
8:44 am edt
They are the biggest waste of time. Too much time is taken away from the meter
personnel always having to
reset them... They should be repaired, not reset....
LETS WASTE MORE MONEY ! Instead of the parking
adm spending time planting
trees, he should be paying attention to the lots and the machines....
8:36 am edt
Smoke won't be the catalyst that speeds the end of this town, the
bulldozers, concrete and Section 8 benefits
will be. Enough with the smoking
ban. Stupid. Follow State rules and if they confuse you, follow other
town rules. Simple. Enough with the smoking hullabaloo. There are other more
issues, like parking problems, town employee benefits, water
shortages, sewer smells in the West End, mosquitos en masse,
When, for Christmas sake, is the poor old struggling top of the hill,
view Provincetown High School going to be GIVEN to our most prestigous developer
for conversion to condos?
Maybe even with a Section 8 thrown in for approvals.
Mark these words, I kid you not.
7 Masonic Place
8:33 am edt
7 Masonic place goes in front of licensing board to get a inns license
this week. (In last years
cease-and-desist order, Denault, the owner was
cited for operating a three-bedroom guesthouse without the permits, inspections
and zoning approval required by law. In addition to town zoning and health
bylaws, it is possible Denault also
violated state and federal tax laws if he
did not declare the property as a guesthouse, according to David Gardner,
assistant town manager. All owners of Massachusetts accommodations are required
to charge guests an 11.7 percent
Did the town grant a license? Who will be watching to make sure Denault
collects the states and towns room sales tax of 11.7%? After all, he did not
collect it for the past 7
It would be nice to see the Banner do a follow up story on this
Wednesday, June 15, 2011
7:05 pm edt
The smoking ban IS certainly relevant and not "impertinent" to the
idea of banning dogs. Smoking
may be todays issue and dogs could very well be
tomorrows issue. I'm sure for the dog owner and lover it may seem
comparing the two, but it's not the act of smoking or the act of bringing your
dog to the restaurant that
are alike, it's the fact that the rights should
belong to the property owner whether they chose to allow dogs into their
establishment and/or whether they allow people to smoke in their designated
areas. (And consequently the
patrons would have a right to choose to dine there
or go elsewhere.) Just something to think about as we go forward
discussion on the smoking ban. It's about much more than having the right to
smoke (although we can all
go back and forth about the freedom to smoke vs. the
freedom to be in a smoke-free environment). Likewise, it
wouldn't be about the
right to bring your life long companion "Fido" with you to dinner (and with this there
are arguments that may counter that freedom with the freedom for the non-dog-lover
to enjoy a meal not worrying
about fleas, any fear of dogs a patron may have
and allergies even...) It is a property rights issue and we need
to be careful about
protecting the rights of our property owners.
Smoke if You Want; Eat Where You Want
7:02 pm edt
It's fine with me. You want to smoke, then go right ahead. You want to dine as
well, that's fine with me. Let
people alone. Get out of our way Board of Health
and try to check water for safety and food for safety. Face real issues,
these someone fabricates as a problem. It is not a problem in Provincetown.
Dearest Health Department
7:01 pm edt
I suggest banning liquor after your cigarette ban.
No more clubs,drunks,bars and traffic deaths. I don't have a
Choice when it comes to a drunk driver on rte 6.
But wait a minute,don't we have a choice in what
to dine at ??????
Re: Parking Kiosks
6:59 pm edt
So I think it is about time that the town should open its eyes and see what is
going on. Looks like a lot of useless
spending of towns tax dollars for these
kiosks and for a parking admin. that can't fix them! Maybe he should go to
school for it!!!!
* * * * *
They are so horrible and useless that the parking revenue received from
parking lots compared to last year is up nearly 50%. Part of it is due to the
increase in parking
rates, but the majority of the increase is coming from these
horrible useless parking kiosks.
bring in more of the horrible useless machines. Sounds like you have
Smoking Ban Vote - 25% Loss
6:56 pm edt
If I had a vote in the BOH decision and had business to transact in this town, I
would think long and hard before
casting a vote in favor of the ban.
Since 25% of people smoke here - that would also mean that 25% of MY clients
be quite angry at my support of this ban.
I would not want to potentially lose 25% of MY business in
the process and hand
this business to my competitors.
Today's Cape Cod Times
6:55 pm edt
Good article on the smoking issue. Thanks to the Tourisim
Board for not supporting the purposed regs. They know
this ban will make a negative impact on the Town's economy.
See you at Town Hall, Thursday @4pm.
Tuesday, June 14, 2011
Re: Smoking Ban vs Dogs
6:01 pm edt
Let's see: crying baby at next table with mother smoking while
changing dirty diaper orlittle doggie sitting quietly
at the heel of owner.
Thinking, thinking, thinking. Got it! I'll take the table next to Fido!
Smoking Ban vs Dogs
5:20 pm edt
As my friend Derek would say, "How very dare you" compare my
lovely dog in a restaurant to a Smoker.
I find your comment impertinent as my
dog has been going to restaurants for 25 years without any ill effects on other
people. How very very Dare You.
5:18 pm edt
Instead of calling it Provincetown we can call it "Little Brockton".
Prefab shoeboxes is right.
Why on earth do we need 90 more? Aren't the ones
already trucked in that resulted in public outrage, that still sit
enough? This town is the victim of unbridled greed. Not fair to her nor is it
deserved by her.
5:16 pm edt
What does this town need to do to put a moratorium on any more
building of Affordable Housing projects? Why do
we need more affordable housing?
Where can I get the number of units we already have? There are no year round
so what will the people who live in these "projects" do all winter?
Provincetown is slowly beoming a big
You are SO Pedestrian
5:14 pm edt
Dogs are allowed in restaurants all over
Europe, FLORIDA, CALIFORNIA, and elsewhere
It s great to have
dogs in patios here too!!!!
Smokers are Addicts
1:44 pm edt
You are stating the obvious. Addicts prove their inability to give up their
addiction. Since they can't or refuse
to halt their addiction, the rest of us
must take steps not to be harmed by it.
They smell of smoke, their
homes, cars, their blankets, are all covered with
carcinogenic ash--smoke is just fine ash.
We need to protect
ourselves of this carcinogenic ash called smoke. It is a
health issue. I'm not going to endanger my health and allow
someone to smoke
near me or my children.
A Word to the Wise
1:41 pm edt
Ted Malone has been getting his ducks in a row and
will shortly start clearcutting his largest project yet. The
development has at least 90 units in many many buildings. Everyone should enjoy
the natural beauty of
RT 6 at Race Pt Road. Next time you look the trees will be gone awaiting another
delivery of cheap prefab shoeboxes.
Then we can look forward to yet more Section
Keep a eye on that corner!!!!!!
Subscription Bottle Water Service
1:39 pm edt
I cannot help but chime in on this subscription bottle water service
in Provincetown with their "hydration
stations". I read the letter to the editor
from Ms. Holt. Some very good thoughts there. Here is another good thought.
is someone like Gabby Hanna embracing an out of town company to sell public
water to the public? I know she
needs money to buy real estate for the festival
but really? Selling out to a third party to mark up water and rent bottles.
don't think so. Boooo Gabby! I was a huge advocate of the film festival. Not so
Bangs Street Condos
1:37 pm edt
The price of the Bangs St. condos has dropped sixty grand per unit. With the
offered owner financing I wonder
if the sixty grand no interest second mortgage
will be available?
1:33 pm edt
Many have noticed the absence of Police anywhere downtown during the
day except for a wannabe traffic cop who
is useless to the eyes of most who
watch him stand there and do nothing for traffic control,apparently they have
been recruited from New Hampshire and never dealt with this type of problem,
this town will be a mess during the Blessing
of the fleet and hte 4th of july
GOD HELP US!!!
1:31 pm edt
When dealing with 90 Shankpainter, remember recent history and basic
math and magic.
4 separate buildings are presented as 2 for approvals (4 = 2). However, then, 2
become 4 again, like in "The
complex has four town homes". Not 2 town homes, 4
town homes. Poof. Magic.
Seniors Face Medicare Cost Barrier For Cancer Meds
1:26 pm edt
The cost of a new cancer fighting drug is $2,400.00 for a month's supply. Please
tell me how folks who partied
all of their youth and now want us to support them
with affordable housing are going to be paying their way in life?
I see all of these young people now who go to all of the these parties at the
bars just like our affordable
housing clientele did when they were young.
Party party party and then 30 years from now they clamor for affordable
This is what this current crop did 30 years ago.
1:23 pm edt
I WOULD RATHER HAVE THOSE TAXIS LIMOS AND BUSSES IN A PARKING LOT THAN
MONOPOLIZING LIMITED PARKING SPACES ON
RESIDENTIAL STREETS. LET THEM BE!
Parking Kiosk System
1:21 pm edt
The kiosk that you have in town, none of them seem to work correctly.
always out of order. The parking administrator
does not know how to fix them
because I come in town all the time and have seen it! So I think it is about
that the town should open its eyes and see what is going on. Looks like a
lot of useless spending of towns tax dollars
for these kiosks and for a parking
admin. that can't fix them! Maybe he should go to school for it!!!! But then
that would be a waste of tax payors money because he wouldn't do it anyway.
Where is Conservation?
1:19 pm edt
I agree. Forget children and elves and smokers. Overdevelopment and
destruction of the little bit
of open space and natural beauty left in this town
under the mask of "affordable housing" and condos and townhouses
will be the
death of this town. Where is Conservation in all of this clear cutting? They
about bugs on the beach needing seaweed but when mature trees and
vegetation and dunes are clear cut, they have no say
in the matter. Come on.
We need people in these town leadership positions and on boards who decide the
fate of Ptown who actually have brains and care about the welfare of the town.
Not their buddies wallets and
Re: Find the Help That You Need to Stop Smoking
1:17 pm edt
Last time I checked smoking is not illegal. Find the help you need to mind your
To Affordable Housing is Big Business
1:15 pm edt
Well said... and true.
Leave Things as They are
1:14 pm edt
If you want to smoke. smoke. If you don't, Don't. It's about business and about
tourism. It's not about health.
Let them smoke. This is a strange and
questionable board. they look for trouble and then hold meetings in the midst
tourist season. This should have been raised--if it was a real concern--this
winter. Oh, but board members
did not attend meetings for four or five months.
Strange indeed. This is neither the time nor the issue.
Smoking Ban vs Dogs
1:13 pm edt
A big hullabaloo about the hazardous smoking in restaurants, yet not a
peep (at the moment anyway) about dogs
in restaurants. Oh, Provincetown... you
intrigue me so.
Sunday, June 12, 2011
Smokers are Addicts
2:45 pm edt
Smokers are addicts. They aren't evil, bad, or criminal; they are addicts. They
need a place to smoke or else
they are difficult to be around.
What is the answer to smoking in public? How do you legislte and install a
smoking section in an outdoor cafe?
Educate the young not to smoke so that they don't become addicted to it.
Find the help that you need to stop smoking.
Childhood and elf Control
2:43 pm edt
Children who are taught self-control went on to lead better lives. 1000 people
were studied from birth to 32 years
of age and self control had a pervasive and
poweful effect on the arc of thier lives.
They were healthier,
less likely to abuse drugs, more likely to save, less
likely to be convictd of a crime and the list goes on and on.
choices" not only benefit the individuals who make them, but their friends,
One study about self-control takes a group of 4-year old children and place each
one in a room
alone with a marshmallow and the child is told that he or she
could eat the marshmallow or wait and be given two marshmallows
later. You folks
with 4-year olds try this at home and see what happens.
This town is full of people of accomplishment
and strive for achievement as well
as people who couldn't pass this test when they were 4 years old.
1:33 pm edt
"We should be able euthenize those that
make choices that hurt others."
Adolf? How 'bout we start with people who can't spell.
It is imperative that we, as a society, NOT sink to the
level that you have just
suggested for others whom you do not agree with. Such silliness, really.
Affordable Housing is Big Business
1:31 pm edt
The only big business in Provincetown is the affordable housing conglomerate.
How else can they fund their affordable
housing empire intact except through
building more developments--and scooping up the rents.
Government's section 8 program allows anyone with a voucher to pay
only a portion of their income toward their rent
be it in the continental united
states or Hawaii or its territories. You make $300 a month--your rental unit is
a fraction of your income. Women with dependent children pay no
out-of-pocket-rent at all!
cover the town with affordable housing becuase out of
350,000,000 Americans there are millions of homeless and poor
people who can
fill these units and the rent is guranteed by the government.
The developers have created
an empire here. 90 Shank painter road is but one. A
dozen have already been built and more are on the way.
Need or Greed?
11:51 am edt
More affordable housing complexes are not needed in Provincetown.
Period. Ptown has a small year-round
population and virtually NO productive
employment opportunities in winter. The ONLY reason affordable housing
proposed, again, is because it is a way for the developer, by designating a few
units as affordable, to get
grants and funding and discounts so building costs
don't come totally out of their pockets. Then, in time, turn
and sell the units
for full market value or rent at full market seasonal prices. These units will
in winter. Ptown affordable housing multi unit complexes are not
built on need, they are built on greed.
The ONLY reason projects are approved
is because those approving are in bed one way or the other with the developer.
Right now Falmouth is in the process of building huge "affordable housing"
complexes and people from
Hyannis and all over the Cape will be directed there.
So why on earth would little old Ptown need more?!
To offer affordable housing to people while at the same time not be able to
offer them jobs. Ptown doesn't need
this. The developers do.
11:49 am edt
If people were smart enough to make choices that did not hurt others(second hand
smoke drunk driving unhealthy
lifestyles that put a strain on our healthcare
system) I would agree with you. We should be able euthenize those that
make choices that hurt others.
To: Today's 8:52 Post
9:56 am edt
If you think We? should be responsible,
why don't You go to D.C. and advocate
a prohibition on smoking, alcohol
coffee, chocolate, fast food crap, diet
sodas and on and on. The list is
endless and all are legal today.
It is the responsililty of the individual
to make their own choice and to also
oversee the welfare of their children,
eitherwise we will be going back to
Germany in the late 30's when
no one had choices.
Let's see how far you
Lobbyists will eat you alive.
8:52 am edt
Live and let live:
This would be fine if people were smart enough, but sadly judging by the people
can't figure out that smoking is hazardous both for the smoker and the
others around them, we need to regulate such
things. We have rights, but we also
have responsibilities that go along with those rights.
8:50 am edt
Think Long and Hard
My accountant said it is a bad idea. They would take $15,000.00 right off of the
top. He said that if I was 80 years old to go ahead and do it--but pray that you
don't live to be 100 years old.
Why? The answer is that yes, you can stay in your house; but the bank stops
giving you money once your reverse
mortgage is paid down to zero. The bank isn't
going to be giving you any money after that. Look at the cost of livng
ago and look at it today--imagine the cost of living in ten years!! You might
have social security--but
it might just be enough to cover only your cable bill
in ten years.
How will you get money to eat? Money
to pay your taxes, your heat in the winter
and your medical co-pays?
You get sick, some cancer medicines
are $90,000.00 a year! Ninety thousand
dollars a year--and many others are forty thousand plus a year.
Entitlement Cut Back
8:47 am edt
There Will be a Reckoning:
Town Employees are going to have to on medicare for their insurance. Benefits
people expected to receive can't be met when the state has a $1.9 BILLION DOLLAR
are struggling to pay out of pocket for their parents in nursing
homes until they pay down for medicaid, they will come
to resent these young
bucks in affordable housing complexes riding around in pick up trucks and SUVs
the table and while we hard working taxpayers support them.
They pay a pittance and stash their dough! Never seen
so many late model SUVs
and trucks etc. zooming out of all of these housing complexes. Must be nice
rest of us struggle to support our families. Please stop bragging
about your gravy train life style.
rather see the deserving poor from Hyannis living in these affordable
housing than the schemers who cry about their
hard life while working under the
table or collecting unemployment and going off to Southern climates in the
Yes, there will be a reckoning.
Saturday, June 11, 2011
Housing Assistance Corp. Crisis
6:46 pm edt
15 people laid off; $350,000 cut from the budget. The gravy train is slowly
coming to a halt. We will see how
much money will be going to support people in
a couple of years when all of these housing developments are built.
What happens when a person gets a reverse mortgage and they spend all of the
money? Sure, they can stay in their
house--but they can't eat the drapes or pay
for the heat or insurance. Bad, Bad, idea...unless you are 80 years old!
We are all aging--but these sharp restaurants want a young and pretty as well as
top notch staff--and they will
Even the hot studs age into gramps. It won't be easy with no equity after
spending your youth in
Provincetown and now expecting us to take care of you;
affordable housing only goes so far--it is affordable housing--not
life style. Live and learn-live and learn.
The Board of Health is Not Into Health But Into Harassing Businesses
6:36 pm edt
As someone wrote, yes, this town used to be about live and let live. That is
what it should be now. But this board
has its hidden agendas and it is to hurt
and harass certain businesses at the advantage of other businesses.
This board should just resign. They are the wrose. And those who do not promote
these crazy change of rules let the
others do this. They should go back to
regulating pigeon poop--they're experts on this! Stick to what you know!
4:55 pm edt
"How can vehicles that have taxi/livery plates get
resident parking stickers?"
I think because they are registered to a residential address on Alden Street
they qualify. I think there is a commercial
rate, but the way runs the
who knows and I would not be surprised at all.
Re : Question:
4:52 pm edt
"How can vehicles that have taxi/livery plates get resident parking stickers?
They take up 6-10
spots daily in the lot over by the skatepark/cemetery. "
We used to have the same problem with
them in the cemetary......it looks like
the problem just moves does not get solved.......interesting that it is only
of the companies in town that seems to get the preferential treatment (or the
town looking the other way).
Re: Smoking Ban
8:19 am edt
With all the other issues that could be addressed, who cares about OUTSIDE
I am not a smoker
Why was Dr. O'Malley Dismissed by Seashore Point?
8:17 am edt
Why? could you let us know the reason. Yes, we did give Seashore POint
everything. Was it worth the deal?
Re: Who's Listening?
8:16 am edt
Here's a hint. If a tree falls in the forest, you can bet your bottom
dollar every animal or vegetable or
flora or fawna in it's path hears it coming
and gets crushed anyway. No choice is what this is called. And
the screams of
pain are louder than your ears can tolerate. But you are not there. And those
the bulldozers and paid by developers are wearing earmuffs... so they
don't hear either. Nor do they care if they
did, cause they are getting paid.
Nor do town officials who aid in every aspect of the raping of this town's
limited natural resources. So yes, if a tree falls, it's heard. Only ignored by
those with the power to stop
8:14 am edt
OK, that's it... Let's ban sex... no sex allowed in provincetown.
After all if I can't have my nicotine fix after
a roll in the hay, what's the
sense of having sex!
8:13 am edt
The wobbling DPW has been painting street lines again! This time the wobbly line
is on Bradford Street in
the east end at the scene of the sewer-water main
On a positive note: It's the correct color and
more or less in the center of the
road. So it will get the job done.
Yet, how can any town official drive
or bike past the carelessness at the work
sites and retain any sense that everything is okay at DPW?
Re: Who's Listening
8:12 am edt
I beg to differ. The "town", as one would refer to a royal court like
the "queen", definitely
creeps around this blog, posting misc. blogs to try to
weakly defend on-target points. A simple search of the
archives, if you are new
to this arena, proves this. Are you saying these people who dare to sign their
could be imposters? Not a bad idea. A group of imposters would at least
be objective, maybe. Such
a tangled web is weaved. EVERYTHING DONE IN THIS
TOWN IS BASED ON MONEY. AND NOT THE "TOWNS" MONEY
BUT THE PEOPLE WHO RUN IT.
THE DEVELOPERS. Wake up, sweetie pie. You are not in Kansas anymore.
7:59 am edt
If there wasn't a big turn out of indignation for the RTE 6
clear cutting last year, we'd have lots of new construction
along RTE 6 by now.
Stand up, Show up and Speak Up! I do all the time and I see the benefit of it!
Friday, June 10, 2011
3:28 pm edt
"If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it
make a sound?"
If no one goes to any meetings in town, how can you expect the town to know what
you want? I do
not think the town reads these posts.
2:44 pm edt
How can vehicles that have taxi/livery plates get resident parking stickers?
They take up 6-10 spots daily
in the lot over by the skatepark/cemetery.
It's ALL So Sad!
9:50 am edt
Provincetown used to be about "Live and Let Live" now a select few are trying to
turn it into a restricted
Utopia. The key word here is restricted! With rules
and laws that are so nit picky....tourists will want
to go somewhere less
conservative. This is NOT the Provincetown of yore. When will it stop?
9:49 am edt
Why is outside smoking even on the agenda? For years and years it has
not been an issue. It is obvious by
now that it is clearly not about the
dangers of breathing second- hand smoke while you eat on a patio at a
It is about one mindset being empowered with setting a rule that
controls other mindsets. This is a rule that
needs some thought put into it,
not just people barking because they got a puff while eating a clam. This rule
could have a substantial direct negative effect on the financial health of a
specific group of businesses.
And then, due to this negative effect on some,
this same rule could then produce positive effects for others.
The 3 month
window for profit here is small. It should not be about one group manipulating
rules to obtain
a bigger piece of the pie than they have been getting. Which
means smaller pieces for everyone else. Either
ban it across the board, like a
town ban or leave it alone. Okay, restaurants with patios. !
What about guesthouses that serve food, or hotels, motels, rental units.
These places are jammed together.
How is a restaurant patio any different from
a deck in a multi unit condo complex. What about hot dog stands?
food and use public property as their seating area. Either ban it townwide or
throw it in the
trash where it belongs.
To: Ptown Business People That Support the Smoking Ban
9:46 am edt
Please be advised that many of your customers DO NOT support this ban and it's
curtailing of freedoms.
We will make our impact known by our future non patronage of your restaurant or
There are plenty
of other restaurants, coffee shops and realty firms to give our
Let's Take a Poll
9:44 am edt
What do you find more offensive?
Outdoor second hand smoke or
Outdoor Street Musicians who play too
not very well
I for one vote for the music. I find the music offensive when
I sit at a outdoor
cafe and am forced to hear them.
Banner June 9, 2011 Smoking
9:42 am edt
"A business approached us in December saying (smoking)
should be disallowed completely, Phillips said."
And the owners of Joe's Coffee are still denying any part
in this issue. Ha!
9:40 am edt
How are *All* of these folks supposed to go out and find doctors and bring them
up to speed on their medical conditions
now that Dr. O'Mally was dismissed by
The Town gave Seashore point so much for free to have
them come here. No Good
Deed goes unpunished.
9:39 am edt
My my ... just finished reading tonight's posts. Got out of work early
(blackout helped that!) and went with friends
to hang and have a drink. talk
around the bar still is all about local news of this smoking ban.Have to say
all believe that the current laws are where it should be ... actually, a
bartender said it best "the laws now make
it fair ..anything different is about
"I want what I want people .. what about a business owner paying 80,000 for
space and protects his staff and does what he does with his space?" I smiled. He
was right. When someone
claims it is there right to demand how a business does
make their living, protect their staff and an outside customer
demand this type
of talk... well I cannot asked why don't you just pay, hire and pledge you soul
and have your
concept of service make money ... smiling again, you are STILL
unwilling to go somewhere else for $22.95 but those demanding
are so ready to
throw stones but are so unwilling to stand up and just go somewhere else ... why
are you so gut-less
and not make that reservation at your favorite place to make
them think there needs a change.
9:33 am edt
If you let business owners decide on their own what they want
or not want, of course they
are going to allow what they want, even if its
something as outrageous today like banning people of color and homosexuals
eating in their restaurants. That is why we have nanny state laws to protect
minorities. And why we need
laws to protect the non smokers from second hand
smoke! Business people only care about profit, the health and betterment
those customers comes after the money!
Thursday, June 9, 2011
Re: Smoking Ban
10:52 pm edt
"After the smoking issue....we should ban alcohol."
And then "we" should
ban soda! Obesity kills more people than anything! And
after that "we" should ban walking anywhere but the
sidewalk! It's dangerous!!
Afterwards, "we" should make sure that everyone dresses and acts alike. "We"
deserve to live in a perfect society without deviation whatsoever! Yes! It's all
so easy. Soon "we"
will have our perfection.
StepfordTown lives! And this is just the beginning. Who the hell is "we" anyway?
Some bloated idiot with an agenda who sits at the chair of the autonomous (and
he knows that) Board of Health?
If that's the case, then "we" need to look in
Re: After the Smoking Issue....We Should Ban Alcohol
10:50 pm edt
Perhaps we should ban tourists, intelligence, the tides, sunset, etc.
Oh, maybe we already did that second
So Another Business Owner is a Liar!
10:48 pm edt
Scott of Joe's Coffee said that he nor his partner would have brought up a non
smoking ban etc. And yet
when you go to the BOH minutes for Dec 16th 2011 there
it is in black and white... Mr. Russo BRINGING UP the idea of
banning smoking in
outdoor areas due to wind shift etc....
and to the person who said that a business owner
who lets smoking in their
establishment is "discriminating" against non smokers, and suggested it would be
akin to "banning " gays or people of color, is a bit off base. A non smoker
could still choose
to dine in that establishment, they are not being "banned nor
The Dismanteling of an Institution
10:45 pm edt
What's going on at Seashore Point.
While we all are concerned with tourist behavior and stop signs, I'm hearing
stories that effect senior citizens, our senior citizens. While many local
Seashore Point employees, who spent
years with our residents, have been shown
the door by the Executive Director, the wake up call should be Brian O'Malley,
MD who has touched the lives of hundreds of our residents being shown the door.
Calling him a vendor and a supplier
is sickening. I also heard there is a
purchase and sales agreement for the property being hidden. What will happen to
the nursing home residents? What about the property given from the town and
Catholic church? How can
Deaconess allow this, or participate in it, all under
the name of Christianity.
10:33 pm edt
Either town people actually want all the development that has gone on
over the last 10 years, or they just do
not care about the development. There
have been over 100 new condominium units and single family homes added to
town in the last several years. Nobody seems to care about it. If more people
were against it
they would be going to meetings and voicing their objections.
Many people are either directly in the real estate
business, or are living with
others who are and naturally real estate folks do not want to do anything to
Taxi Drivers and Cell Phones
10:32 pm edt
If the taxi drivers need phones my point was NOT HANDHELD. Let their
employers spend a few dollars for the
safety of all, including their drivers.
Be a good pr point and might help insurance premium
5:43 pm edt
Why are we so concerned about smoking?? When drinking and alcoholism kill as
many people if not more.
I remember the news expose about 6 months ago that
said alcohol was just as addictive as heroin.....that story was killed
enough...probably by the alcohol companies. After the smoking issue....we
should ban alcohol.
Adhoc Zoning Bylaw Committee
4:34 pm edt
Hope springs eternal and there's a sucker born every day. Both apply
to the Adhoc Bylaw Committee.
More of the same, under the guise of change.
And, don't even put the glories of the Assistant Town Manager out
under the scope because, when looked at closely, what he is involved with may
make your rose colored
glasses jump off your face. Or not.
Ad Hoc Zoning Bylaw Committee
4:17 pm edt
Are you really surprised that only one person showed up? NO, I AM
STUNNED ONLY ONE PERSON SHOWED UP: ME
This little knitting group is tight. NO, IT'S NOT. I WAS THERE.
No advertising and 5:00 meet time is stupid if
you want the public to attend. IT
WAS ADVERTISED. I FOUND IT ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. THERE ARE MANY MEETINGS LIKE
THE BOH THAT START AT 4PM.
That's just it. They don't. THAT'S HARDLY THE CASE. I FELT WELCOMED ATTENDING.
IN FACT, I WAS A LITTLE LATE. NOT ONLY COULD I MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT. BUT THE
ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER INVITED
ME INTO THE DISCUSSION WHICH I DID!
They know what the public thinks. NO, THEY DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND BEFORE THE
MEETING. BUT I THINK AFTER THIS MEETING, THEY NOW UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE VERY,
VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE EVER INCREASING
DENSITY WHICH IS RUINING THE TOWN'S
Look at a few of the more recent projects that overstepped
conservation bylaws, etc. by quite a bit with absolutely no repercussions. THE
HAVE FOUND LOOPHOLES AND THEY NEED TO BE CLOSED--FAST! I PERSONALLY
THINK THE TOWN OFTEN DOESN'T ADHERE TO ITS BY-LAWS
(ROUTE 6 AND 90 SHANK
This group is not interested in public input. SEE ABOVE.
I FOLLOWED UP WITH ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TODAY ON THE TELEPHONE
AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ON THIS PROBLEM AS
A PRIVATE CITIZEN!
They know full well they are in control, despite 1 or 100 people showing up.
JUST ISN'T TRUE.
Going against them is a losing battle. NO, IT'S NOT. IT IS NOT 'US' AGAINST
When you have developers and their cronies coming up
with rules that directly affect their bottom line,
do you honestly think public
input matters in the least? YES, I DO. I THINK THIS BOARD HAS THE ABILITY.
IS ONLY ONE BOARD MEMBER I AM SKEPTICAL OF AT THIS POINT.
KUDOS TO OUR ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER. HE WAS VERY, VERY
IMPRESSIVE LEADING THE
WHY DON'T YOU COME TO THE NEXT MEETING? I'LL MAKE SURE I POST IT FOR YOU
I THINK YOU WILL BE PLEASANTLY SURPISED!
It's Called Playing the Game
4:13 pm edt
A real estate agent who sits on a town
board speaks up to ban smoking in other businesses, while at the same time,
can promote it as an "amenity" in his own residential rental units. Smokers,
thank the stars
above and him, will have at least somewhere to go to smoke in
this town. What a gem. Instead of worrying
about smoking on restaurant
patios, the BOS should be concentrating their efforts to address potential
fire hazard risk posed by smoking in multi unit extremely dense
construction projects. Mr. DiMartino should not be unfamiliar
with this subject.
4:10 pm edt
Why is it so wrong to be an idealist, but so right to be stupid enough to smoke?
I vote for ideology every
time. Just think of the harm we do to our young people
by promoting and supporting second hand smoke and other dangerous
speeding, excessive drinking, and berating town officials without facts or
knowledge of the law.
12:29 pm edt
"To allow a business owner to decide how to run his business as long as
that owner is obeying the law
..." Yes I agree with that.
To the person who used smoking allowing and not allowing homosexuals
and people of color in the same sentence. Do you realize what you wrote?
One can never not allow entree when
bias of gender, color, age ... etc. is proven.
The other is about supply and demand ... and that is the customer by
That's just shameful that someone would write that sentence.
Re: "Only One" Showed up
8:44 am edt
Are you really surprised that only one person showed up? This little knitting
group is tight.
No advertising and 5:00 meet time is stupid if you want the
public to attend. That's just it. They don't.
They know what the public
thinks. Look at a few of the more recent projects that overstepped current
conservation bylaws, etc. by quite a bit with absolutely no
repercussions. This group is not interested in public
input. They know full
well they are in control, despite 1 or 100 people showing up. Going against
is a losing battle. When you have developers and their cronies coming up
with rules that directly affect their
bottom line, do you honestly think public
input matters in the least?
A Few Thoughts
8:34 am edt
There was ONE person at the by-law revisions meeting probably because the
majority of voters and or interested
parties can't find any mention of it in the
newspaper or maybe the town's website? I would have gone but wanted to cheer
the BRUINS rather than listening to Ted Malone, David Nicolau or any other crony
that sits on that advisory
group. SMOKING: if the BOH is really concerned about
second hand smoke i would suggest the first step would be to ban
it at all
Municipal buildings and surrounding TOWN HALL and also the automobile of the
actual Health agent who
chain smokes in her care between her inspections, that
wouuld cause a stir as well. I do not like to dine and inhale
cigarette or cigar
smoke thus i do not frequent places that allow it, it is that simple and please
is not a crime in this country, the more important
restriction/regulation should be obesity/diabetes and "bad fats"
killing more people in this country and is more of a drain on our health care
system so Joe D, Ken J
et al start new regulations on all fast food joints in town
that fry the hell out of everything and all the ice creem
shops that load fat day
after day in our lovely seaside communnity. Choice is the key word here , appointed
should not have POWER to affect my business or earnings for personal
Re: "Thank God For Progressive Politicians and Town Administrators"
8:29 am edt
"It is obvious by the posters here that people need guidance and control."
last time I checked - this is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. We are a free
You can keep your "guidance
and control" and at the same time can stop trying to
inflict your philosophy and ideology on everyone else.
Re: Taxi Drivers and Cell Phones
8:25 am edt
"Why are these taxi drivers almost always talking on their cell phones
while drving around town?"
You bring up a good point but why don't we give our taxi drivers a break. They
are talking on their
cell phones because maybe you called them for a taxi.
These people work hard - drive us when we need it - are reliable
and are just
taking calls for their businesses.
Taxi Drivers and Cell Phones
8:12 am edt
Why are these taxi drivers almost always talking on their cell phones
while drving around town? Can't they
at least stop using hand held phones?
School bus drivers cant use their phones cant we apply the same to our taxi
drivers..they are endangering themselves, their passengers, and pedestrians as
they looop around the busiest streets
and intersections, distracted and driving
Board of Health Chair
6:37 am edt
Mark Phillips, Chair, ownes Beacon Light Guest House
on Winthrop St.. It was public knowledge that the property
was in forecloser a year ago. I don't know if the business
is in Chapter 7, 11 or a deal made with Seamen's.
should recuse himself since he is related to a guest
house as should Ken Jansen from the Amper Sand
DiMartino should recuse as a realtor.
He stands to potentially profit from weekly rentals that
would allow smoking.
If passed, any lodging that serves
food ie. Continental breakfast and afternoon cheese etc.
could not allow outside
Yes, the documentation regarding Greg Russo's complaint
will certainly be addressed at the hearing. In
check Dec. 16, 2010 meeting on the Town Web site.
Thursday, June 9, 2011
12:30 am edt
So let me get this straight. You say let the business owner decide
what they allow and don't allow? What if the
restaurant didn't want people of
color or homosexuals in their business? You call laws that protect us, a nanny
state! Thank god we live in this nanny state to protect us from the likes of
you! Smoking should be banned everywhere
12:09 am edt
Don't speed and you have nothing to worry about! It's that easy....
12:08 am edt
One member of the public ATTENDED the ad hoc zoning By-Law revision
90 Shank Painter
12:06 am edt
An old time ptowner showed me an old photo of what the woods use
To look like before cumbies and the affordable
housing .the woods were filled
with siver dollars and phlox,old growth trees were abundant.
We should all feel
guilty of allowing such a thoughtless act of
12:02 am edt
The question was asked what business does the chair of the BOH own?
can somebody answer.. just curious...
and is someone going to bring up the documentation that Joe's coffee started
this whole smoking ban thing? and
for what reason?
12:00 am edt
Do people lose their commmon sense when they cross the bridge? Or is it their
brains? The number of
people on here that support activities like smoking,
drinking and speeding amazes me. It does explain the naysayer mentality.
Thank God for the Police and their presence here. Thank God for progressive
politicians and town administrators. It
is obvious by the posters here that
people need guidance and control. If people were smart enough to not, speed,
drink or smaoke we could greatly reduce the budget for police and emergency
11:58 pm edt
"If I owned a business I wouldsimply not allow it."
And that would be your
choice. Choice. Good word. It allows for the freedom that
we all came here for to be expressed. However, I suspect that
if you owned a
business and were faced with the economic realities that face business owners,
being a smoker or
not, your opinion might radically alter when you look at the
dollars. Would you seriously alienate 25% of your potential
clientele? I doubt
Lastly though, I respect your opinion. It IS about choice. Or should be. What it
should not be is the exclamation of some pious pugnacious poop, heading the BOH
having personal snit fit and stepping
on the economic toes of 40+ businesses in
town just because he can.
90 Shank Painter
11:54 pm edt
The Selectmen need a tutorial on the Economic Development Plan. On one
hand, they make people beg them for more
water to expand their businesses and on
the other hand, they are probably clueless of the 100s of thousands of gallons
of water that was needed to pack the fill. The Selectmen in Provincetown wear
blinders. They never, never understand
the consequences of their actions. As an
example, clear cutting 90 Shank Painter in the spring during the birthing season
of animals. A whole generation of beautiful birds etc. the Selectmen wiped out.
They will never be able to
wash the blood from their hands!
11:51 pm edt
Sisters in the name of love brought me out on a night that I usually
stay in. Thank you to all that were involve.
Over heard again this smoking ban
that the BOH wants. I still do not get it. Open air seem not to go with
If I owned a place I would be mad, especially when I heard that a
realty agent is so pro for it. And he is a board member,
Joe Dimartino. At first
thought I was confused when told he is on a mission. His spoken thoughts is
about if he
sits down OUTSIDE and orders a meal and then smells smokers he
cannot leave without paying. Duh!!! If he decided to
not go to another place
that was non-smoking, why would he sit in that area? I call it bad planning. He,
business within itself, should know he planned wrong as business does
business. Or does he really believe he should
be another person who wants what
he wants. Is it that he is a coward to stand strong to say no and not go to that
place? I see that business owner has a right to conduct his business as he see fit.
I also see the customer having
the right not to go. If the balance show the owner
would change. Many have already.
Joe must think he is
more important than that owner. I am finding myself hating this
stuff. And, sorry, I hate this even more when I hear
that a realty person is
trying to dictate to some. Seems that they have no restrictions and can use that
Re: Flash Your Lights
11:47 pm edt
It's not about arbitrary speed limits, it's about a sneaky police policy in an
over-reaching government. Like
fascism do you? You're probably one of the
"citizens" who rat their neighbors. Sneaky is sneaky and snaky
Tuesday, June 7, 2011
Re: Flash Your Lights!
10:32 pm edt
I suppose better advise might have beeen don't speed. I am sure they are out
there for a reason and I for one
am glad they are out there clearly doing their
Flash Your Lights!
5:37 pm edt
Has anyone noticed the town's finest running very sneaky speed traps recently?
Watch out coming into town between
Snail Rd. and Conwell. We depend on tourists.
Giving them a seven year insurance penalty to remember their visit is
for business and hiding in the bushes should be beneath you.
Re: "If I Owned a Business I Would Simply Not Allow it."
5:35 pm edt
Exactly, and that's the objection. Business should be allowed to fail or succeed
on their own decisions. This
nanny state stuff is over the top. I personally
dislike smoking and vote with my feet to not be around it. It's all
choices and consequences.
90 Shank Painter Excessive Water Use
5:25 pm edt
Don't tell me to conserve water...dont't tell me not to wash my
car....don't tell me not to water my lawn and
how to do my laundry...don't make
businesses beg for liscenses because of their water usage. I just passed 90
shank painter and watched our water being dispensed between layers of fill..10's
of thousands of gallons if not
hundreds of thousand of gallons of water is being
spewed from the town hydrant. And who is paying for this? And whose
is this. Clarence, go take your photos. Towns people and business are being
raped of their
water. There's a a lot of fill and water to be taken from us
because of this.
5:19 pm edt
I met someone the other day who
paid $500,000.00 for a condo at the
Meadows (Malone development) and he
is giving it up for forcloser. He said that
the value of the unit has depriciated
and it is not worth the morgage
fees to continue. He is better off to walk
away. I wonder how many others will
follow suit. The construction
cardboard units need to be stopped.
5:16 pm edt
Try to reach the Tax Collectors office today 508-487-7015, trying to
pay my bill. The phone rings and rings and
rings. I call back and they transfer
me to Dan Horts phone, he doesn't answer. I call back and they try two other
extensions. No one knows why the entire Accounting Department is vacant at the
Town of Provincetown. The selectmans
office you get when you dial 0 or call the
main number says someone is supposed to be there. I see our Tax Dollars are
going to good use over there. Glad to see Dan Hort is making a huge difference.
5:14 pm edt
As a non-smoker it would be nice to be able to sit outside without
being exposed to other peoples smoke. Smoking
is not something that you can do
in public without affecting other people. It is invasive in that way. For most
non-smokers it is very unpleasant to be around. If I owned a business I would
simply not allow it.
5:13 pm edt
Out and having a drink earlier. Talk about Joe's Coffee denying they
were the start of starting the try to ban
smoking. Scott goes as far as to say
"never would we say that!" Well the BOH minutes on Dec. 16th say otherwise.
Hopefully, if that is their public stand, Greg and Scott will come to June 16th
meeting @ 4pm and ask the Board
of Health that they do not want this regulation
to go forward. If not, their PR campaign is in the ballpark of "weinergate"
record document is hard fact to pretend to exist unless you are "ride by Paul
Revere" told by Sarah
Tuesday, June 7, 2011
If Only the Town Did Wake Up
12:28 am edt
Here it is spend, spend, spend. Town employees should be on a freeze. Projects
should be on hold. Mega projects
should be denied. But no, it's overrides and
raise taxes. Let the party roll on even as local aid is cut and the economy
in more than a recession. Town officials are in La La Land. They are unrealistic
and believe their own fantasies.
The library is a case in point. Millions spent
and millions more to come. Landscaping doesn't need bulldozers--it should
been hoes and shovels and seeds. Improve on what was there--instead they destroy
it all and then spend and
spend to have what we had but with added lights and
grass. The most ridiculous landscaping work I've ever seen.
I LIke That: a Drink, A Dollar, a Hot Weiner or a Smile
12:26 am edt
Bought by whatever it takes. But you say it well. They are, as you said,
bamboozled and we have a town that sadly
shows the imprint of profit gone wild.
Conservation doesn't conserve; Zoning doesn't hold back scale; Planning doesn't
even do its own by-laws. Developers are treted as "saviors" while they are
destroying dunes, cutting
down trees, adding density, bulding poor housing, and
giving most away to their connected friends and associates. The
town is leveled,
uglified and raped. Some call this "progress" while others see this as the
of this town, the loss of its quaintness and historic character.
Yes, some what only "happy talk" to
obfuscate reality, to put lipstick on the
Will Provincetown Wake Up?
11:03 pm edt
Look at our national advisers and what
they are saying. Look at other local governments. Wake up Provincetown.
Spending has to be cut. We have under 3000 people that live here full time, and
that is being generous giving
the fact that probably over 1/4 to 1/3 of the
people leave during the winter. Other towns and states are cutting back.
has Provincetown cut spending?
Joel Naroff of Naroff
Economic Advisors notes that when states cut spending to
balance their budgets, as required annually, a ripple effect
damage: Companies that do business with states and localities suffer. These
companies, in turn,
scale back their own hiring.
"There's a whole slew of private companies that have to cut back when they don't
get the (government) contracts they had been getting," Naroff said. "You can't
balance a budget and
say everything's going to be beautiful."
Moody's Analytics estimates that each job in state and local government
an additional 1.3 jobs elsewhere in the economy.
The cutbacks stretch across the country:
-- Monticello, Ga., has cut its police force in half -- to five. It had planned
to eliminate the force entirely until
it found the money to keep some officers,
says Police Chief Bobby Norris.
-- Zanesville, Ohio, just cut nearly
50 jobs from its schools, mostly through
layoffs. "People have to realize: There's just so much money," says
Superintendent Terry Martin, who had to close a $7.2 million budget gap through
2016. "We have to
watch every dime that we spend."
-- In Alameda, Calif., police and firefighters last week couldn't save a
drowning man in the San Francisco Bay because the fire department had cut
funding for water rescue training, wet
suits and other equipment.
The Great Recession of 2007-2009, the longest and deepest downturn since the
dried up state and local tax revenue. It also escalated demands for
social programs like Medicaid and unemployment benefits
and "ate through their
rainy-day funds," notes Michael Gapen, senior U.S. economist at Barclays
For a while, federal stimulus spending cushioned the blow to state and local
finances. But that money is running
out. And it probably won't be replenished.
The federal government is preparing to cut its own spending to shrink huge
States like Wisconsin, New Jersey and Ohio have first-term governors who "are
to make their names by cutting spending," Naroff says. "It wasn't the `in
thing' before to become a governor
and immediately slash and burn. Now, you've
got economic and political realities that are different from any time before."
Hey "Truth be Told"
8:06 pm edt
Not for nothing, but anyone who thinks themselves clever for improvising a
Charlie Sheen quote does no service
to themselves except self-description.
Sorry, "winning" is reserved for those who clearly aren't on
your bus. You are
obviously on the bus with those who need to clear cut, bull doze, rip up lady
while ConsCom turns the other cheek, smile and lie, twist or manipulate
bylaws, get "confused" by your own
laws, bamboozle weak board members or town
gov. members with a drink, a dollar, a hot weiner and or a smile or do anything
else to force your clearly unwelcome projects through. Our bus doesn't even
offer financing like yours.
You must be right. We, as you say, are losers.
Losers, by the tone of this blog, are the fools who love Ptown
for itself. Not
how it looks on paper. Like in a bank statement. Sure. Who signs your
Or pays for your drink? Or foot long hot dog?
I Too Miss Donald at Lopes Square
7:06 pm edt
I too wish he were still there. I liked him and I liked how he handled traffic.
He was pleasant and an attraction
for tourist. He was a good man and a good
traffic police officer.
Why Should Developers Beware of the Hopper House?
6:42 pm edt
It takes more than some decisions made in Truro to rattle these toughies.
Current Bylaws need strick enforcement
and fat trimmed.
Only in Ptown, uncertainty based on "loose definitions" is a valid reason
approve units. In the rest of the common sense world, uncertainty would be
reason to deny.
This multi unit infection creeping over town inch by inch can only be stopped by
changing the big rules.
Lot size, frontage size, setback requirements, septic requirements. Get rid of
the old bunch.
Real consequence for violations. Developers run this town. I
think it's time they were run out of this town.
Let them go pick on another
town with more suitable resources to accomodate their big dollar sign eyes
of laying out the red carpet for them, every time they need to buy a new
Ptown has enough
ugly density and the only need for one more unit
is the need of the developer to try to make more cash. High priced,
density that no one even wants. Time proves this fact.
To: "Agree with Improvements".....
6:36 pm edt
Retiree health and pension benefits are not a "problem"! We worked hard and long
with this goal in mind,
over 30 years in my case. Many years we went without pay
raises but we accepted that as well. Our incomes are now fixed,
unlike yours. We
are not the problem so don't look to us to be the solution to problems we did
Re: Missing the Dancing Cop Donald This Weekend...
6:32 pm edt
Let it go. Donald is done. You and others may miss him, but there are just as
many (if not more) of
us that are glad that he is no longer at that post. We
don't miss him and are glad he is gone. Stop bringing
this issue up and spend
your time setting up a fund raiser for him since his family can't help him and
make it on his own with his retirement savings.
Re: "Hopefully Final Work on Library"
6:30 pm edt
you are living in never-never land. The library is a money pit, as some said
from the start. But we were
promised that no tax money would ever be used to fix
it, so it got approved. Think it's finished?
The roof still leaks into the upstairs front reading room during nor'easters and
they haven't been able to find the
source. Inside structural damage from that?
Most of the wiring has not been upgraded in many decades and
will fail, or it
could start a fire first.
Ditto the plumbing. They couldn't replace all the wiring
and plumbing without
ripping out many of the walls, so they didn't do it (yet). Remember last year
a pipe broke in the basement & the repair was $1/4 million? Next time, the
basement has now been finished
at our expense & the cost to repair will
The utility costs are shameful. It's older than Town
Hall and has been less well
maintained over its life, which is saying something.
Another example: the tower
came down in a late 1800's windstorm. So you figure
they rebuilt it right when it was off this time, with hidden
reinforcement? Nope, that would not have been "historically accurate". So it's
the same old way. Sooner or later...
And now we have another $1/4 million being spent on the small front
landscaping...Is this $ well spent so near seawater or is it extravagant?
The building has little architectural
or historical significance, compared to
many better examples of similar-style churches in New England and elsewhere
the country. Ask anyone who knows.
For the same total amount of money spent to date, not counting
spending, we could have one of the best town libraries in the whole country:
high-tech, disabled-friendly, and space-efficient for
ease of staffing & use, with plenty of $ left over for upgraded
But instead we have an albatross with its old small collections and its
inaccurate, made from poor & false materials "ship model" that
would be rejected by any maritime museum.
It's laughable that some think it's worth the money and, moreover, that it's
done. Too late now, but
it was not a wise choice and "those who fail to learn
Re: Truth be Told by Alfred E Neuman
6:26 pm edt
Hey Alfred-- you forgot that there's a fifth group, which is those that do
nothing except post on this blog.
In the great words of Charlie Sheen, LOSERS!
6:25 pm edt
The West End Playground improvements
were donated by Robert Duffy not from
Mr. Duffy for all of
your generious contributions to the Town.
6:24 pm edt
Greg Russo, co owner of Joe's Coffee is denying that he
had anything to do with the purposed smoking ban.
meeting, Dec. 16,2010 minutes. Check it out, it is
in black and white. I guess coffee and cigarettes don't go
in a perfect world.there are plenty of other places
that serve good coffee, guess I'll go elsewhere.
7:41 am edt
What a beautiful sunny weekend! Hope everyone got a chance to go
outside and enjoy the beauty!
Half Empty vs Half Full
7:39 am edt
Re: "Yea, right. Don't trip on a pothole or stumble over a bad patch on
that street while you're dancing.
You might shatter those rose colored glasses
I'm not telling you to move
if you don't like it, but I do wonder why you live
here if you find it so awful. I personally agree with the prior
are lots of good things happening in town if you take off those black colored
7:37 am edt
Ptown developers take notice !
Agree on Improvements
7:36 am edt
- beautiful town hall and hopefully final work on library
- planning for rationalizing town facilities
million in federal grants for much improved water and sewer infrastructure
- beautifully redone west end playground
- repaving of a portion of commercial street
- forward movement locally and at state level on retiree health and pension
- increased town revenue sources through sensible tourist based taxes
This taxpayer, who is
not in town government, is impressed with the way things
Supply and Demand
7:34 am edt
I was out for drinks tonight and cannot understand something. Everyone
was mad that this town (ok a few board
members) want to ban smoking at
businesses outdoor spaces. Everyone wants it to stay the same and not just the
It was really wild how passionate people were against the ban. I
listened and could not think why? It's outdoors, it's
not illegal, and basically
is it not really about supply and demand. There are places I do not go because I
not want to or do not like ... well, something about the place. If someone
does not want to be in a place where ever
or what ever why do they go? Just
don't go. Sorry but I think it is that simple. How can people demand to change
something just because they want what they want. Maybe if they showed what would
happened if they did not go places
would change. But they seem to want stuff at
another's expense and businesses revenue .. with no sacrifice. Like I said
out tonight and heard no one defend banning law!
ful outdoor as is regulations. I guess they just want and
with that lack. They
lack the ability to not stay home to tell the business community to stay home,
verbal courage to communicate in crowds that they want this ban and,
because they lack the first two, they lack follow
through. btw, I am a nonsmoker
who believes in enough ... and in, if you don't agree, stay away and tell
to change. If you don't have that much conviction, please be quiet
and let the business world deal with supply and demand.
7:31 am edt
Affordable Housing is nothing but a loophole for the developers to
cash in on!!! Affordable housing will be the
ruination of this town!! And we
have numerous people to thank for it- Namely Elaine Anderson!! She is nothing
a self serving individual and hides behind her conservation past! Nothing
but a sham.
7:27 am edt
How is the town of Truro having to pay 15m a win for the taxpayers?
Won't the taxpayers be the ones, granted,
through obscured channels
and avenues, be the ones footing the bill?
Rose Colored Glasses?
7:24 am edt
Love it. HD rose tinted glasses are needed
here. Don't kid yourselves. You, as in taxpayers, are being used.
And laughed at, all the way to the bank.
Truth be Told
7:22 am edt
So, in light of the events in Truro, people on this blog are either
totally insane or intelligent.
So what would be the primary obvious case of Ptown board/government shenanigans
or questionable "actions"
Court deserving? On the basis of many multiple
violations? Too many for a judge, any judge, to count while
trying to hold
his/her head from spinning.
The defense: Again, dah, throw the ball into the
voters' court. After all,
they voted for the laws. Such silly lambs. They dumbly vote for bylaws they
believe are in their best interest and that of the town and then somehow,
of these laws opens the doors for buildings
and projects that are "shocking".
how stupid do these morons running this town think people who were
born here, live here, have moved here, work here,
are lucky enough to own
property here and have a geniune love of this town for its fun, natural beauty
think we are. (Notice? People who develop here were purposely
FOUR entities should be highlighted:
Those people in town gov. and on boards that are either in bed with or
any other way financially to those "developers" blessed with seemingly endless
public funding, grants (fed., state, whatever).
Developers specially bestowed the responsibility of "building
our future", via
mass Section 8 and multiple unneeded condo quantity. Obvioius these people are
build as much as they can as fast to sell for as much as they can
before people in this town wake up and the gate closes.
WHICH HOPEFULLY IT IS
People who work on "committees" making rules that directly
dictate their "bottom
line". This must be stopped. NO developers on ADHOC Committees. Period.
Those who get paid, top dollar, like legal counsels and engineers, to stand in
front of boards and knowlingly
lie and present projects one way to obtain bogus
approvals. These are the worst. They present, knowing full
approved will be adhered by and rules, in Ptown, are made to be twisted and
to be broken.
These, my pretties, are facts. Not opinions. Facts.
Section 8, sweet.
It's never to late to stock up on deadbolts or guard dogs. I
broke a tooth today when I tripped in a pothole on
Bradford and hit my mouth on
Afred E. Newman
I Think You Are Wrong on Truro's Damages
7:18 am edt
The Klines were told that they should not continue to build while the courts
were making their decision. They
went forward anyways and inspite of the court's
advice. The Klines--even though Donald is not longer with us--are responsible
for building while they knew the building permit was in question.
Wrong assessment. The Klines lose. So does
the town because of wrong decisions
made by their Building Commissioner and their Zoning Board members.
Saturday, June 4, 2011
3:00 pm edt
If anyone gets a ticket for not stopping at the Howland and Bradford Street stop
sign, Howland and Harry Kemp
Way stop sign or at Ryder and Bradford Street stop
sign, contest it in court. The Police Chief is the one who had them
and before they can be, the State has to approve them and that was never done.
The Kline's Received a Building Permit
11:52 am edt
$5,000,000.00 was spent building it.
If it is not allowed to be used/or torn down, the town of Truro will
pay out Triple damages to the Kline's to the amount of $15,000,000.00.
This is a great victory for
the taxpayers of Truro
Right to Impose Smoking Ban
11:49 am edt
This is why Ptown has every right to make and enforce it's own smoking
rules according to the state...Read in
Since 2004, the statewide smoke-free workplace law has been a resounding
success, creating a
healthier environment for thousands of employees and
customers in the Commonwealth and reducing health care costs. (The
workplace law also gave municipalities the right to go further in the effort to
advance public health.)
This is exactly what the City of Boston did, as did the
45 municipalities that have already banned so-called smoking
Taken from an opinion in response to a Globe editorial on smoking bars.
Rose Colored Glasses
8:29 am edt
"I hope the handful of naysayers and put downers do not discourage
the forward progress this town
is making. Summers here and the time is right for
dancing in the streets"
Don't trip on a pothole or stumble over a bad patch on that street
while you're dancing. You might shatter those rose
colored glasses you're
8:28 am edt
The powers that be won't be happy until Provincetown becomes a Section 8 housing
project. Wait until that
happens! The crime rate will soar! Look what happened
in Hyannis. Our investments will be worth squat. Affordable
Why Do We have Police Officers at Crosswalks When we Need Them at Intersections?
8:25 am edt
Cars do stop here for people in the crosswalks. We don't need a cop looking at
the people and then looking at
the drivers. We need police officers directing
traffic at heavy intersections. That's where they should be--like where
was. Donald handled the cars, traffic and then monitored people as they crossed.
He helped direct the entire
flow. He did not stand on the corner looking at
people across the street. There is a difference and that is being a
rather than a lost cop.
You Must Be Standing on Your Head
8:22 am edt
If you think the town is moving forward. It has used up resources, misused
common sense in creating the sewer
system, overspent on town hall--where the
paint is peeling and the doors are cracking already. It has created a monster
the library, a never ending money sucking restoration. It is rehabing the
elementary school for a non-existant
departmental shift. The beachse need
cleaning and the sidewalks need to be reconstructed. And we need to anticipate
real problems--not those fabricated like jack-in-the-boxes from the front of
Re: Funky vs. Fake
8:20 am edt
The town was a dump in the 80's. Downtown was a mess. It may have looked nice on
the outside but behind the walls
and behind the facades is where the real
problems were. Upgraded septic systems, new sewer system, rat traps torn down
and new structurally sound buildings in their place, better electrical systems,
better, up to date water system,
mre responsible property owners, better class
of tourists, less bums and less kitch. Any issues with zoning falls nowhere
in the laps of the voting public. The only way bylaws have been introduced is
because townspeople voted them
in thinking the powers that be were smarter. The
only reason bad bylaws still exist is because good people continue
to do nothing
to change them. Do nothing and you'll certainly be given more than enough
opportunity to complain
in the future.
Re: Ad Hoc Committee
8:17 am edt
You will show up for the first meeting, make a lot of accusations, throw a lot
of sand in people's faces, then not ever show up again. Meanwhile you will hop
on this blog and throw out unsubtantiated
accusations, denigrate the hard work
and generally be fat lazy . Watch, it happens every year.
Re: Justice for the Hopper House and Its Views
8:15 am edt
Have you read the decision from th courts? Do you have any of the real facts?
Obviously the issue is far above
your comprehension level. Bylaws are voted on
at town meeting and if passed, are the accepted zoning rules the zoning
enforcement officer (building commissioner) applies to every situation. In the
Kline situation, many many other
properties have used the same loophole to do
what they wanted with their properties and the ZBA and building inspector
set the precedent by allowing it throughout the town including along the same
road Kline built on. If the
law is imperfect, it needs to go back to town
meeting for adjustment. That hasn't happened. This particular issue therefore
a selective enforcement issue and the judge, Piper in this case, has screwed
this issue up along with at least
three other cases in Truro and has no real
understanding of the local bylaws or zoning in general. God help Ptown if
Piper on any cases here. If you're waiting for the Kline!
house to come down, I hope you're a very
young person because it will be a
long time and countless appeals before that happens. That final conclusion
Friday, June 3, 2011
Ad Hoc Committee Meeting
7:29 pm edt
"The Ad hoc committee meeting isn't to address overbuilding. It's to
cover their collective asses
for protocol and laugh at those who would dare to
care. The sad part is if a thousand people showed up to oppose
any projects on
the table, they would be quieted and waved aside as this does not play into the
If they don't do anything, than we take an article to Town Meeting and the
voters, not this committee,
will decide our future vis a vis even more ugly
density in Provincetown! I hope the AD Hoc Zoning Committee members
this blog. Be forewarned. We are going to Town Meeting if you don't address this
I am already writing the article!
2:52 pm edt
Town is really moving forward. New sewer and water lines more affordable
housing, refurbished town hall and library,
closing old dangerous buildings (com
cnter and grace Buildings) increased safety signage, Our leaders are to be
commended. I hope the handful of naysayers and put downers do not discourage
the forward progress this town
is making. "Summers here and the time is right
for dancing in the streets"
Missing the Dancing Cop Donald This weekend
2:50 pm edt
Wish you had been there. All these years, all the directing of traffic, all the
help for tourists. Donald, you
did great work.
You were missed. Please know this.
Justice for the Hopper House and Its Views
2:49 pm edt
Because of the arrogance and wrong actions of the Truro Building Commissioner
and the Truro Zoning Board of Appeals.
Now their wrong decisions are illegal
decisions forcing the Klines to perhaps de-construct their construction.
I like this kind of justice. The Land Courts provide the right decision and the
arrogance of the Truro Bulding Commissioner
and the poor thinking of the Truro
Zoning Board members now comes back to haunt them all.
Let the Kline house
be taken down shingle by shingle, post by post, window by
Consider that wrong deicisions by Provincetown's
Building Commissioner and
Provincetown's Zoning Board could render similar judicial decisions. I look for
judtice from the courts.
To: Champions of Mediocracy
2:47 pm edt
Instead of looking and being critical. Did you offer help? Oh no... let's
just be mean.
I highly doubt the police stood there.. If that was the case, did
you file a formal complaint at the police station?
Probably not.. TALK IS
2:46 pm edt
Is it fair to ask, what business Mark Philips, Chair of the BOH owns?
Funky vs. Fake
2:44 pm edt
"People today take pride in their properties as opposed to the slumlords that would rent to any loser that
wanted a place to flop, whether local or visitor. Appreciate what we have. It's much
better than it used to be."
If the good old days were so bad, how could P'town have become the sacred ground
that you seem to
mistake for a Styrofoam cup?
Not a Re-post. (shame that needs to be said)
2:40 pm edt
So bloggers, some of them, dare to question developers. Why is it people who
don't agree the town is being
abused by greedy developoers ALWAYS resort to
personal insults in their retorts. Maybe because they lack sensical
Ptown is overbuilt out to the gills. Sorry, not a matter of personal feelings.
The Adhoc committee meeting isn't to address overbuilding. It's to
cover their collective asses for protocol and
laugh at those who would dare to
care. The sad part is if a thousand people showed up to oppose any projects on
the table, they would be quieted and waved aside as this does not play into the
developer's hands. If you keep
allowing the developers to build and build
construction that is not needed, a fall is in the future. Plain and
Not emotional or personal. Plain and simple. Ptown is headed for a fall.
2:37 pm edt
If/when the town bans smoking outside PRIVATE places of business will
it also do so in front of--on the grounds
of town buildings? Now wouldn't that
cause a ruckus in front of town hall, rest rooms, parking lots, new DPW
Thursday, June 2, 2011
10:51 am edt
The powers that exist in town are so totally anti-business despite all
their claims to the opposite. If some businesses
do not allow smoking outside...
GREAT! This gives people a choice. If they don't want secondhand smoke then
those places. And if you want to smoke or do not care about the
secondhand you can still support the others. To deny
choice is not the
Provincetown I love.
10:46 am edt
Although the Public Hearing is postponed
until the 16th of June, Please attend
and make a public statement
we all planned to be there today anyway.
4pm @ Town Hall. Don't be late. Public
are first on agenda.
10:04 am edt
"How many more empty ugly poorly constructed jammed in buildings do we
"need"? None, that's
And not a re-post.
10:02 am edt
It is quite obvious by the number of people posting against the smoking ban that
the majority of the posters are
lacking in common sense and intteligence, Who in
their right mind would be in favor of promoting second hand smoke exposure?
9:34 am edt
What is this town trying to do to itself ? People come here to have a good time
and there are plenty of
restaurants that have no outside areas where people can
Leave it alone and let things stay the way they
are. Don't put in another
REGULATION that is going to hamper business.
The restaurants have a hard
enough time as it is with all the development going
on here - People who buy or rent condos can STAY IN and cook if
they want to.
Don't take a competetive advantage away from the restaurants.
June 8th Zoning Board Meeting
9:30 am edt
SHOW UP AT THE THE JUNE 8 MEETING. I GO TO BOARD MEETINGS ALL THE
TIME. I WENT TO THE FIRST CONSERVATION MEETING
HELD AFTER THE LANDSCAPE AND
ANIMAL HOLOCAUST AT 90 SHANK PAINTER. YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE AND
UP AT PUBLIC STATEMENTS? ME AND ANOTHER GUY. MY PUBLIC STATEMENT RESULTED
IN ANOTHER MEETING TO ADDRESS MY CONCERNS!
ALL YOU PEOPLE DO ON THIS BLOG IS
DO SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW THE TOWN IS RUN, HOW DEVELOPERS
EXPLOITING OUR ZONING LAWS FOR PROFIT, HOW THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS
BEEN POLITICIZED BY OUR ESTEEMED
SELECTMEN TO CURRY FAVOR VOTES IN THE LAST
ELECTION OR NOT IMPLEMENTED CORRECTLY BECAUSE THEY NEVER TRULY READ IT WITH
COMPREHENSION AND ON AND ON.
BOH Smoking Ban Meeting
9:28 am edt
Just a quick add-on to the smoking debate. I noticed those stating the
Thursday, June 2 meeting of the BOH @ 4pm.are
being updated that the meeting has
been moved to June 16th.
Both dates are correct. Because of an error
in posting, the meeting is pushed to
the 16th but it will open on June 2. What that means is that the board is
to open the meeting and then table it to the 16th w/o taking public
statements and then everything is tabled to the
16th. If they open to the public
they could close that part of the meeting and then on the 16th not reopen to the
public and just vote.
So one may want to be at both meetings. thank you.
Seems You Missed the Parenthetical Points
9:25 am edt
The Building Commissioner is being sued by suing the town. His actions were
judged illegal and wrong. The Zoning
Board and its decision to allow the Klines
to build the house was judged also illegal and wrong. The town is forced
fight the battle for the Building Commissioner and also the Zoning Board which
wrongfully and illegally made
The house is not complete. It is only $5 million built and more to be added--but
at their own
Seems like they might have to destroy the building that the building
commissioner and the Zoning Board
members wrongly and illegally allowed the
Klines to build.
More Provincetown residents should sue the town
and thus challenge the decisions
of the building commissioner and the zoning board. This remains a good lesson
Congratulations to the Schiffenhauses for their legal and moral and artistic
Wednesday, June 1, 2011
Mark Philips, Chair ---of BOH?
10:04 pm edt
Not anymore. Humpty-Dumpty has put himself in a position to be
removed, removed, removed! It is clear Mr. Philips
is out for personal blood on
an issue that is touchy. However, the proposed OUTDOOR smoking ban (ridiculous
best!) has no room for anything but logical, economic discussion as to how it
will affect the larger issue--economic
vitality in a depressed time in a town
that has only 2 months to make money.
It is well known that Mr. Philips
is about to lose his business(one cannot
count on astute decision making considering THAT!) And for some abstract reason
he's got an agenda against other business people who offer a place for smokers
to dine. Clearly his bitterness
is overriding what's left of his ability to
soberly make decisions. Go ahead, Mr. Philips; hold your meeting and hear
wrath of those who EARN AND CONTRIBUTE HUGE TAX MONEY FOR THIS TOWN. But keep in
mind that when you talk,
speak up. Show your backbone that you're so willing to
posit to the press and in your proposed regulations! We're tired
low-talking, helm holding, small-minded, wounded nature you present. Buck up,
speak with the authority
bestowed you and do your job with aplomb and economic
fairness. However, don't flout your pet-peeves further in order
to cyclone them
into regulation merely because you, the chair of an autonomous board, can.
Moreover, to heck with
you if you believe this is no longer a democracy! Your job
is to listen to the majority who attend the meeting and act
upon their opinions
accordingly. Do not forget that, sir. And do remember that a "chair" is most certainly
not a throne.
Re: View From the Other Side
10:00 pm edt
I moved here 20+ years ago and have been in various trades that have to do with
the building and rebuilding of
properties in town. I can tell you completely
honestly that what we have today is FAR better than the beat down, ignored,
disgusting rat traps of yesteryear. From the old Pilgrim House, 128 skate, the
horrible mess of poison ivy and
thorns currently Bayberry Road and side streets,
Poor Richards Buttery, the old Mews with the cesspool underwater at
and all the other dumps that used to be here to what we have today, I'd say the
town is a much better
place than it was. People today take pride in their
properties as opposed to the slumlords that would rent to any loser
a place to flop, whether local or visitor. Appreciate what we have. It's much
better than it used
Re: Kline House Building Permit and Zoning Decision Found Illegal
9:58 pm edt
Your conclusion is wrong on so many levels. The house is complete. The neighbors
appealed the Truro building commissioners
decision to issue a permit to the ZBA
which upheld the building commissioners decision. The neighbors then appealed
that to Superior Court. That's where the latest decision came from. The
neighbors didn't sue the members of the
board or the building commissioner or
the town, genius. The people that can sue the town would be the Klines for
wrongful issuance of the permit and even that has an upper limit of 100K I
believe. Also, Hopper never painted the
landscape there. The neighbors simply
don't want a house being built on land they don't own. Sound familiar? If this
is an example of how you and your friends would go after zoning issues and
planning issues in town, I don't think
the town has anything to worry about.
Ad Hoc Committee What a Sick Farce:
9:54 pm edt
Re: Brand new condo units already built still sit empty on the market for close to a year, and why?
WHY? THE ANSWER SHOULD COME FROM THE CONSERVATION COMMISSION, THE PLANNING
BOARD, TOWN COUNSEL,THE BOARD OF SELECTMEN
AND ANY OTHER PAID TOWN EMPLOYEES
THAT VIGOROUSLY PUSHED THE PROJECT THROUGH IN THE FACE OF MASS PUBLIC
To: "Here's a Lesson"
9:52 pm edt
At the risk of being labelled a "re-blogger" by someone who probably works for
the town and has an obvious
7th keen sense of perception, I do agree.
2 points are taken:
1. That honest hardworking
people must resort to court action to have their
town by-laws enforced properly by those they have entrusted to do the
2. That developers, warm and nuzzled and nursed by their "associates" on town
boards, aren't about to slow down or stop themselves, any time soon. Not by
their own hand at least.
To: "Is Your Issue"
9:50 pm edt
Personal issues don't matter. Take a look around town and you decide for
yourself. When will enough
be enough? How many more empty ugly poorly
constructed jammed in buildings do we "need"? None,
that's how many.
Kline House Building Permit and Coning Decision Found Illegal
7:04 pm edt
Here's a lesson. Sue the town, as the Truro neighbors did, get a good land court
lawyer and you can get justice.
The million dollar Kline House built on the hill
Hopper painted has been rendered illegal from the Land Court. If they
to build, they could be force to destroy the $5 million building that is still
being constructed. Building
Commissioners who issue bulding permits can be
sued--the town gets the lawsuit--and Zoning Board members who make wrong
decision can be forced to eat crow. Truro is finding itself in this predicament.
There's a lesson for all: suing
can bring justice.
I'd like to see more law suits against more boards in Provincetown. The
whimsical and at times illegal decisions should be sued here as
well. Let the courst speak! Then the town mights just
Re: To: "Every One of Us"
7:01 pm edt
"...Sorry, my grandfather and father didn't mow down dunes and clear
cut land to put up cheap prefab
condos to try, and the key word here is "try",
to make a boodle..."
did develop the land didn't they? And they disturbed no sand dunes or
didn't cut one tree to build their home?
Is your issue development, the fact that you feel the development is cheap or
the fact that developers
are making money while your grandfather and father had
'more pure' motives?
Ad Hoc Zoning Bylaw Revision Committee
6:58 pm edt
The meeting agenda was posted on the Town's website this morning at 8:19.
The agenda is:
2. Fall Town Meeting zoning bylaw schedule
3. Prioritize sections for potential amendments:
a. Signage evaluate special permits for deviations from sign criteria
b. Commercial accommodations
consider density revision request from
April town meeting
Regulations establish standards
d. Site Plan review criteria
e. Dimensional Schedule/
f. Pools remove special permit requirement, move to site plan review if
4. Approval of minutes
5. Other Business
The meeting will take place at 5:00 pm June 8th in
the Caucus Room at Town Hall.
Ad Hoc Zoning Bylaw Revision Committee Meeting
3:05 pm edt
There is an AdHoc Zoning Bylaw Revision Committee which hopefully will address
the concerns posted on this blog.
I urge you to attend the June 8 5pm meeting
WHERE IS THIS MEETING ADVERTISED? IT IS NOT LISTED
ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AS AN
UPCOMING MEETING. WEDNESDAY, THE 8TH IS BLANK FOR MEETINGS. HOW ARE PEOPLE
SUPPOSED TO KNOW ABOUT IT, LIKE THOSE WHO DON'T READ THIS BLOG, IF IT IS NOT
LISTED? WAS IT IN THE PAPER
AND I MISSED IT? NO ONE WILL SHOW IF NO ONE KNOWS
ITS HAPPENING. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING?
ARE DEVELOPERS GOING TO
CONCEDE TO OBJECTIVE PARTIES THEIR POWERS AND ADMIT THE COURSE THEY ARE ON IS
RATHER THAN PRODUCTIVE, FOR EVERYONE BUT THEM? ARE THEY GOING TO
GET RID OF THE "CONNECTOR" BYLAW ALTOGETHER
LIKE THEY SHOULD AND INCREASE
REQUIRED LOT SPACE AND SETBACKS BETWEEN BUILDINGS FOR FIRE SAFETY? ARE THEY
GOING TO ANNOUNCE AN OPENING FOR A BUILDING INSPECTOR WHO IS NOT A DEVELOPER
HIMSELF? ARE THEY GOING TO OUTLAW
MODULARS IN COMPLEXES DUE TO FIRE HAZARD
POTENTIAL? WHAT IS THE REASON THEY ARE HAVING A MEETING NOW? SPECIFICALLY.
THANK YOU FOR ANY ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS.
To: Restaurant Owners, Staff, Business Owners and the General Public
3:01 pm edt
Reminder: BoH Public Hearing to abolish smoking in
outdoor areas where food is served. Thursday, June 2
4pm @ Town Hall. Be There! This purposed regulation
will affect about 40 foodservice businesses as well as the
economy of the Town.
Comment: Please note that the meeting date has been
Outdoor Ban on Smoking
2:59 pm edt
Don't forget that there is a very important meeting and public hearing
of the board of health on Thursday at 4pm
about outdoor smoking in the Judge
Welsh room in Town Hall. The BOH, which is autonomous in its decision making,
wants to ban all smoking OUTDOORS wherever food is served--this means pool-side
grills (such as the Ptown Inn, the
Boatslip, the Crown), restaurants and cafe's
where people enjoy outdoor areas.... The BOH is reaching too far
about a touchy
issue and should perhaps let the STATE decide. We're in tough economic times and
to alienate or
aggravate a quarter of the tourists who may visit our little town
in the extremely brief time we all have to make money
is just silly. Come voice
your opinion to the BOH.
Comment: Please note that the meeting date has been
changed to 6/16/11.
Zoning Ad Hoc committee
2:54 pm edt
I can't make the meeting as I am out of town on the 8th... who should I
write a letter to so that it can be read
at the meeting???
Zoning Ad Hoc Committee
2:53 pm edt
If we don't like what this Zoning Revision Committee proposes, we
bring an our own article to Town Meeting. No
board even the Board of Selectmen
have a grip on power in Provincetown. The power is at Town Meeting. That is what
I am going to do.
To: "Every One of Us"
2:50 pm edt
What a load of crap. Sorry, my grandfather and father didn't mow down dunes and
clear cut land to put up
cheap prefab condos to try, and the key word here is
"try", to make a boodle. Wake up. Your rebuttal
is weak and has about as much
footing as a modular home a/k/a fancy trailer. Funny, the listing doesn't
"modular". Maybe or Mr. could explain that one.
Re: "I Agree & You're so Right!"
2:29 pm edt
It is SO obvious that someone keeps agreeing with their own blog on here.
Come On, get a life and stop repeating
2:27 pm edt
Before you all jump on the officers for their performance in Lopes Square, why
don't you do it? Go through the
academy and in-house training. Put the uniform,
vest and belt on. Stand by yourself in the busiest intersection on the
go for it. How do you single-handedly get thousands of pedestrians to get on the
sidewalks and crosswalks?
How do you get drivers who are too concerned with
their GPS and cellphones to pay attention to you? Where do you put
the cars once
all lots or full? How do you stop traffic backing up onto Bradford Street and
down Commercial when
thousands of cars are coming into one intersection. It's an
offset intersection which means it's almost impossible to
get all 4 sides to see
and pay attention to you. I'm sure you all have businesses/crafts etc and I'm
do them well. I can't imagine you would be pleased if I walked into
your shop and criticized everything you did when
I myself have never done it. I
would suggest you hold your criticisms until you have tried it and have performed
better than those you are whining about.
Can We Come Together?
2:24 pm edt
Would it be realistic if the bloggers could come together
As a political force in ptown.there is much energy on
That it needs to be directed at our town officials and our
Town problems.we can all complain ,offer suggestions
Feel that we need to come together to stop all the bad decisions
Made and pending.we need to shake things
up and make them
Start listening! Anybody game ????
6/2/11 Board of Health Public Meeting Postponed to 6/16/11
2:07 pm edt
Dear Restaurant Owners:
Please note that due to the fact that the Banner did not show the
outs in the Public Hearing Notice for the Board of Health
Tobacco Regulation revisions, the Board will continue
Hearing to their next meeting on June 16, 2011 at 4:00 pm in the
Judge Welsh room
of Town Hall. The Banner will re-advertise the
Public Hearing notice as was originally provided. >
Should you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me
directly. Otherwise, we will
see you on the 16th.
Jane Evans, R.S.
PPublic Notice New Tobacco Regulations The Provincetown Board of Health will hold a Public Hearing on Thursday, June
16, 2011 at 4:00p.m. in the Judge Welsh Room, Town Hall, 260 Commercial Street, Provincetown, Massachusetts, to discuss
and take action on the request for the following proposed new tobacco regulations. Section 4 – PROHIBITION
OF SMOKING IN PUBLIC PLACES A. As of October 1, 2002, s Smoking
shall be prohibited in all restaurants, (including outdoor seating areas of restaurants), bars and
bar areas of restaurants (100%). See definitions, section 3 A, B, I and K. B. Areas where smoking is NOT regulated
are listed below: 1.
Private clubs 2.
Hotel and motel conference rooms/meeting rooms and public and private assembly rooms, including restaurants, while
these facilities are being used for private functions. 3. Outdoor bar areas provided the outdoor
area is not enclosed by more than one wall and a roof and no food is served. except for the one side
which adjoins the establishment, and is neither artificially heated nor artificially cooled (portable heaters not included).
Exceptions to this section: Hotel and motel rooms rented to guests that are designated as smoking
rooms. The rooms so designated shall be posted with signage indicating that smoking is allowed therein.
The number of rooms that are designated as smoking and the number designated as non-smoking must be submitted in writing
to the Board of Health. No changes in room designation can take place without prior written approval of the Board of Health.
with outdoor bar areas enclosed by more than one wall and a roof may request a variance to Section 4.B.3.
Mark Philips, Chair Posted by the Town Clerk: www.provincetown-ma.gov