Monday, May 31, 2010
10:18 pm edt
All this talk about the town cutting the dancing cop. Has anyone actually talked to him? Maybe he is the
one who wants to cut back. Maybe now he only wants to work a few hours on the busier weekends. It can't be easy
being out there in the middle of the day.
Maybe they should train the new Lieutenant Golden to replace him. God
knows he could use the exercise.
Answer the Question
10:05 pm edt
Forget about Trustee meetings. Some simple questions: what is the name of the construction company that is going
to renovate the library for $2.5 million dollars?
Where can we see the plans for this renovation?
can we see this itemized bill for $2.5 worth of work?
When a contractor inquires about the renovation in March
and is told that there are no plans for renovation and then a month later the taxpayers cough up $2.5; inquiring minds
want to know what is going on.
10:03 pm edt
Are they cutting back his hours because of budget cuts or did this gentleman want to not work as many hours? If
it's cutting back due to budgetary funding then what next?
Why not go back to only having one police officer after
all, we only have about 900 people in the winter, (car 54 where are you). I knew enough not to get into trouble because I
knew when I got home it would be double trouble.
I can remember years ago when attending school we would leave
to go home for lunch. The school supplied us students with textbooks, the desks had inkwells then things changed and
we started using pencils, which the school supplied along with pens,erasers,paper, etc. then times changed again and
the parents had to provide the pencil boxes and the text books became xerox copies of the textbooks for the students. This
was all to do with budget cuts over the years. Things kept getting cut but not the salaries,they kept getting bigger. As
we people get older we look to keep busy. As for the dancing cop, this has been most of this mans whole life. If
he's physically capable of dancing his duty then let him continue. What's wrong with some people they think when we've
hit a certain age we are supposed to just curl up and pass on.
What's wrong with your grandmother tripping the
lights fantastic and kicking up her heels at 80. I could run circles around you wanna-be young whippersnappers.
Full Bar vs Bangs Street
9:57 pm edt
A full bar IS more important than the development on Bangs Street! If it was not for the bars & restaurants in this
town, we would be as much fun as Orleans after 5:00 PM.
9:56 pm edt
After reading the blog recently, it seems all contributing are suffering seriously from ADD. Bloggers jump back
and forth and yet no real discussion ensues about any one topic. Telling someone to shut up if they don't show at a
meeting is not productive or worthing of 2 postings. Perhaps giving them the tools needed to be informed, i.e. website
address for town, names of pertinent town employees, etc. Granted, people are not here in winter. Yet this is
the way townspeople have chosen it to be by their decisions. By not raising a stink when something like Bangs St. slaps
them in the face, they let developers build and build to entice these summer "residents". So what, these
summer property owners are idiots because they didn't know of a meeting or didn't get the notice. Hypocrits. Not everyone
is as resourceful as some bloggers and they may truly be ignorant in the sense of simply not knowing where to look for info.
Memorial Day Weekend!
9:54 pm edt
This is a weekend to celebrate and honor in a civil way the veterans that made this county a free country. As
I strolled downtown to take in the scenery the majority of what we witnessed was a bunch of young adults (I would say between
the ages of twenty and thirty) swaying and staggering in the streets. One woman was so drunk she couldn't even stand
up, her friends were holding her up.
So, so sad that people can turn a memorial weekend into nothing other than
a big drunken party. Come to Provincetown where anything goes.
You don't see this in other parts of Massachusetts
who are there to honor the true meaning of what Memorial Day and Menorial Day weekend is really all about.
is the respect these veterans deserve? I don't think it's staggering in the streets being loud, obnoxious and boisterous
and some even vomiting. Shame on them for behaving and acting the way they did and will probably continue to do so as long
as the town allows it to happen.
By the way, we didn't feel comfortable so we cut our weekend short and left early.
Show Up or Shut Up
11:09 am edt
** I had to repost this one as it's most valid point on here this weekend! **
Re: Library Transparency
The only transparency is your sense of awareness. There have been numerous Library Trustee meetings, including
joint meetings with the BOS to discuss these issues. There was s detailed explanation in a communication sent to residents
prior to town meeting. Obviously you did not avail any of these resources. Why not?
And where were you at town
meeting? People who don't participate in the democratic process need to realize their voice is obtrusive long after fact.
In other words, show up or shut up.
Now that the sun is out, and people are abounding, you seem to
notice there are initiatives that have been implemented during the normal course of town business that occurred during the
winter and early spring.
It amazes me how people can be so unaware, yet claim to be so concerned. But away the
bottle and pay attention. This is a year-round community.
11:08 am edt
Enough with Bangs & Developers & name lists... everyone gets it. Now lets move on to town wide issues
& I agree, stop the personal forum!!
Re: Dancing Cop
The Dancing Cop distracts from the tourists looking in the shops and windows of the trinket shops directly across from the
corner he patrols.How can they spend their money if they're watching him perform? Have a good summer.
11:07 am edt
11:05 am edt
Don't waiste your time calling the Police Chief about the dancing cop, he's not going to give him back the hours he
cut. A matter of fact, he's probably looking for reasons to cut his hours all together.
Bangs Street Photos
11:04 am edt
Bangs St. is not just about a neighbors complaint. It is representative of what is happening to this town all
over, East End, West End and middle. It is too bad people can't recognize it's significance and feel a full bar is more
Sunday, May 30, 2010
To: One of Our Icons is in Jeopardy
9:09 pm edt
Call the Police Chief and let him know how you feel. His number is (508) 487-1212.
His name is Jeff Jaran.
Attend a meeting of the Board of Selectmen and address your concerns during public statements.
Contribute to the List
9:08 pm edt
Since DEVELOPERS are RUINING this town, I think it may be a good Idea to compile a list of the people who are profiting
by the overbuilding of this special place we live in. Please help in this compilation, copy, add and repost. this way people
will know who is profiteering the destruction of our town.
27-31 Bangs St ?
Please add to list.
Thank You so Much!
9:06 pm edt
Thanks for taking the focus off other more important issues presenting themselves in town now that summer is upon us
and we have a new BOS. Letting Bangs Street be the focus has been great fun. Can we return to town wide issues now as opposed
to someones private blog about his neighbors?
9:03 pm edt
Re: "We voted $2.5 Million to compete the library. Who is the contractor? Where are the detailed plans outlining
what will be done and the cost. Was this number pulled out of a hat?"
It appears you just pulled the number out of hat.
Town Meeting Motion:
moved that the sum of $2,092,000 is appropriated hereby to pay costs of restoration of the Town Library including the buildings
and grounds at 356
How did you get up to $2.5 million? That $2,092,000 is the maximum
amount and will be reduced by grants received.
If you really wanted to know the information on the detailed plan
you could contact the Library Trustees, they were more than helpful when I asked questions. Ever consider going directly
to the source with a question?
A Legend in Our Time
8:59 pm edt
What a sad situation when town funds can't afford the "Dancing Cop"'s salary of a mere $100.00 a week for
the summer season. This man is an institution. I was born in Ptown and grew up there and remember him (more than
once) preventing serious injury. Not to mention he is a good man, hard to find these days. Hold a fundraiser.
You do for everything else. Not only does this man help the town doing what he does, this job is a major part
of his life and if taken away prematurely, is a crime. Come on. Get with the program. You allow developers
to ruin the town for a buck but you can't afford $1,000.00 for a legend.
The Dancing Cop
8:57 pm edt
Perhaps the Dancing Cop is at retirement age and is "cutting back". Sweltering beneath a relentless
Summer sun; parched, moving non stop while directing intense traffic--not a day at the beach, believe me.
It is one thing for you to be sitting in the cool shade of your veranda blogging at your computer and sipping your cocktail
du jour after a visit to the spa; it is quite another to be wearing a dark uniform and directing traffic while dehydrated
by the heat and humidity of a blistering mid day sun.
One of Our Icons is in Jeopardy
3:58 pm edt
I just read in this blog that the Dancing Cop's working hours have been cut. I recall reading somewhere that,
if funded fully, his salary is $100 a week.
Through the years, it seemed that he was the only cop directing traffic
during the summer. Oftentimes, the summer cops stationed in key intersections have been standing around staring into
space, or socializing with each other, while a jam between pedestrians and motorists ensued. I even thought then that
the Dancing Cop should have been used by our Police Department for the proper training of the summer cops assigned to traffic
How can we justify such large increases for administrative personnel, while decreasing or eliminating
the salaries of those most vulnerable, the ones at the lowest end of the totem pole?
I have discussed this
with many people in town, and they have all expressed their opposition!
Any suggestions on how we can convince
the Police Department, Town Manager and the Board of Selectmen to continue to fund the position for this individual at the
same level, or even increase it?
He's a Provincetown icon.
Looks Like a Great Memorial Day Weekend For Businesses & Residents
3:52 pm edt
The weather is fabulous and the people are here! Hope everyone does so well and that a level of profitability this weekend
means a good summer for town businesses.
Happy Memorial Day Weekend to all!
24 Franklin -
3:50 pm edt
Drove down Bradford from Shank Painter this morning. When approaching 24 Franklin - that house looks so out of place
- too big with the dormers - does not look the least bit historic at all. Sorry - but keeping 2 original doors just does not
Thou Dos't Protest Too Much
3:47 pm edt
Why not just state which firm is doing the completion of the library (which we hope isn't the one that did such a lousy
job that the pipes froze and busted).
State where the plans may be seen and list what will be paid for with the
3:46 pm edt
A contractor who specializes in authentic restoration approached the library folks in March and was told that there
was no construction pending.
Then in April, they ask for $2.5 million to complete the renovation. Where are the
plans? who is the contractor? How did they come up with this cost to the taxpayers?
Uh! Oh! Yah!
3:44 pm edt
Interesting to mention buying paintings and getting the OK on historic. I too heard of a few people who went out of
their way to buy a painting and found life changed at historic. And these paintings are not inexpensive.
everyone has their price. Buy a building, get your building. I heard this too.
Saturday, May 29, 2010
Re: Library Transparency
10:45 pm edt
The only transparency is your sense of awareness. There have been numerous Library Trustee meetings, including
joint meetings with the BOS to discuss these issues. There was s detailed explanation in a communication sent to residents
prior to town meeting. Obviously you did not avail any of these resources. Why not?
And where were you at town
meeting? People who don't participate in the democratic process need to realize their voice is obtrusive long after fact.
In other words, show up or shut up.
Now that the sun is out, and people are abounding, you seem to
notice there are initiatives that have been implemented during the normal course of town business that occurred during the
winter and early spring.
It amazes me how people can be so unaware, yet claim to be so concerned. But away the
bottle and pay attention. This is a year-round community.
Re: Oxford Has a P&S
10:42 pm edt
Heard the Oxford is going to convert to private residence. Less room tax for town coffers.
Guest Houses Sold?
8:47 pm edt
What 4 guest houses sold or are pending?
Know admirals Landing closed, Know Snug Cottage has a P&S,
know Oxford has a P&S. What would be the 4th?
AND not one of those was close to 4 million. Oxford
was listed at 1.7M. Admirals was 1.1M and sold for the upper 900's.
Anyone know the real facts?
8:22 pm edt
Admiral's Landing Guest House has sold for $950,000 and the Anchor Inn sold for $3,900,000
Food Court Has a Full Bar!
9:21 am edt
How many food courts have a bar? At the food court with the Fortune Cookie and Big Daddy's Burrito etc. the new feature
is a complete bar. So, order your platter from one of the vendors, order your Absolute Martini or frozen mud slide or Mohito
from the bar and sit on the patio looking out at the water and enjoy your dinner.
Dry Spell Ended
9:19 am edt
For 3 years some owners of guest houses had their properties for sale with little action. Now 4 guest houses have
sold or soon will have closings. One sold for a reported $4,000,000. Keep checking the real estate section of the banner and
look at the recent transactions.
$20,000,000 For Sewer System
9:18 am edt
David Gurtin and the DPW staff worked hard getting the grants to continue the sewer system. I believe that they received
75% of the twenty million needed in grant money. Whats the scoop?
9:16 am edt
We voted $2.5 Million to compete the library. Who is the contractor? Where are the detailed plans outlining what
will be done and the cost. Was this number pulled out of a hat?
There are people who create a garden on land as
big as the library grounds--why $250,000 to create a garden there? We built show stopping gardens on our land that is almost
a quarter of an acre and it was a pittance. $250,000 is ludicrous.
Friday, May 28, 2010
10:15 pm edt
Here's to a great season PTOWN! Summer has arrived! Enjoy!
Bangs Street Pics.
10:13 pm edt
Granted these pics are a wonderful depipiction of the wrongdoing upon Bangs st. however, they have become as invisible
as the "Toyota sales event" that we've witnessed on TV for 20 years now. We get the picture(pictures), to be precise,
time to make space for new issues. My mouse scrolling wheel is worn down to a smoothe edge along with my patience....lol.
Please remove them soon webmaster!
D. Newcombe 466 Commercial St. P-Town.
9:24 pm edt
I'm so tired of people who are supposed to be doing "professional" work not finishing the job or doing
it haphazardly. They say that smoking pot doesn't harm them, but they are deluding themselves.
Now people are
over worked and over tired--and this person has yet to start the 60+ work week! Now I'm stuck. People don't follow through,
they aren't meticulous, but they want top dollar.
I obviously can't talk abot this in specifics because I'm over
a barrel. There is no competition here.
Re: "Purchase a Painting and You'll Find That What You Want"
1:59 pm edt
This accusation is patently untrue. I've purchased a lot of those paintings (because I like them) and have been
denied on even some very simple things at historic. It's a committee not a dictatorship. Mr. Dowd is only one vote.
Here's how it really works:
1) before you ever submit an application go to the building department for advice on whether
what you want to do is going to be allowed. oh, and read the bylaw.
2) do the proper drawings, do some historical research
and come up with historic pics for reference, find similar features in neighboring places, include pictures of them.
submit the application under your name NOT an architect, designer, etc. be prepared to defend your application.
up at the meeting and answer all the questions
5) If you need a new door, have no money and can't afford a historic
one apply for a hardship exemption.
You may not be approved but you'll increase your chances.
bashing JD, you are a liar and a scum for your continuing anonymous attacks on this committee.
- not a committee
12:18 pm edt
True, houses don't have to be built by local builders. However, prefabs must conform to controlled construction
laws and these were not on any level. The Bldg. Inspector doesn't even know what controlled construction means. He
gave a bogus answer to the question at the meeting. Certain strict regulations apply yet none applied to this mess.
Again, who you know determines how much you can get away with.
Too Many Laws Bypassed
12:16 pm edt
There is in fact the bylaw you mention re: No title V's in new construction. But again, bylaw was meant for everyone
but this project. The illegality of the Title V is almost certain, however, what are you going to do about it? Town
boards don't care, they approved it anyway, so too bad. It's legal according to them. Actually, initially these
ugly trailer/prefabs were rejected for a Title V, then Ms. Menscher went back with a revised proposal (not changing the bedrooms
or size of the septic at all by the way) and was told, viola, she didn't really need a variance even though there isn't enough
lot space. Sorry, we were wrong the first time but now it's okay because we changed our minds. I wonder why the
change of heart. Can you believe this? Favoritism is so blatant it's ridiculous. Get denied, don't change
a thing and viola, get approved. Ms. Bataglini wouldn't answer the question about what caused her to change her feelings
towards this. Deny less bef!
ore, but now allow more. Perhaps, in addition to this developer cashing in,
the house kitty will get a little fatter. Something is up as none of this makes any sense on any level. Laws were
bypassed, too many of them.
11:46 am edt
Look at the first photo. The ground floor front windows do not match nor have any symmetry. They sure were in a hurry
to erect these houses of cards and gave no thought to aesthetics.
I feel sorry for the poor schmuck that purchases
which is built into the dune. I can't wait to see the erosion and interior flooding after a No'r Eastern.
Does anyone know how much these dumps are listed for?
I am also concerned about the legality of the Title
believe there is a bylaw that prohibits ANY variances of Title V for any new structures on pre-existing undeveloped
lots or land.
Town Counsel did admit that they were granted Title V variances. I also think that part of the Title V
installations are under the buildings. This is also not legal.
As P.T. Barnum said "There's a fool born every minuet"
and that's what Mencher is counting on.
Buyer Beware, The White Elephant
11:44 am edt
This seems to be the way people are going now. I saw one being trucked in the other day. When asked, I was
told it was a private home for someone who was putting it on a lot in Truro. Building codes or bylaws don't prevent someone
from this type of construction. They don't say the houses have to be stick built by local contractors.
we'll be seeing more as time goes on.
27-31 Bangs Street Prefabs
9:24 am edt
I live here too. I'm not surprised at all by the obvious poor quality of construction. Trucked in and slapped
up quick under the cover of darkness for a reason. If 4 = 2 then prefab x modular = cheapest quality. What did
you expect? You can put shingles over crap and plant a pine tree next to it and it would look good. The next step down
is a trailer home only they don't make those in 2 floors so she had to go with these instead. Structural damage probably
as well hidden by cheap plaster from the bumpy ride down. Check out picture #4 down, Unit 2D Top Floor, bldg on the
left. The halves don't even match up. Windows don't even line up. But no one will notice. People in
Ptown are gullible and the bldg. inspector doesn't care or know better. As a matter of fact, an "objective"
abutter just proclaimed the beauty of these. Wow. I have some beans I'd like to sell him/her. News flash:
Not hiring local builders and going modular instead means more profit. She didn't put these puppies up because
modular are better quality? Instead of making twice as much, she can go up to 4 times as much, maybe even 6. It's
all business. And these got approved? Unbelievable. Actually, not unbelievable at all, when you think of
who this woman knows in the king's court. I'm surprised town hall didn't rope off 20 spaces in the town lot for overflow
parking for her with a free shuttle to Bangs St. Ext. running 24/7 since there is no way there is enough parking on site for
these 4 separate buildings. Maybe they did. It would not be surprising. And to think when the guy before
her wanted to put up a house they said no, go away silly man born in Provincetown.
Commercial Street Traffic
9:20 am edt
It's not the cars that cause problems on Commercial st, It's the bikes. They're all over the place, in and out of the
people. I know how bad they are, I was hit by bikes three times when I worked downtown. They are crazy down there.
27-31 Bangs Street
1:24 am edt
Look carefully at the bangs st pics. Lousy construction. Tyvek improperly installed, lot of gaps in the woodwork. Inconsistent
window seals around edges. Another shoddy ptown construction job, what a surprise!
Here's My Take: Buy A Painting and Get What You Want on Historic
1:23 am edt
It's not complicated. Purchase a painting and you'll find that what you want, you will get. It's simple. Consistency
is found in purchasing the right paintings. Makes the chair happy and when he is happy, they all vote his way.
I Too Live On Bangs Street and This Development is A Disaster
1:21 am edt
I remember when the land was filled with native wild flowers and bushes and trees. I remember when Bangs Street had
a private town road. Now I find everything clear cut. I see the dunes dug into and destroyed. I see four buildings pretending
to be two buldings.
A few shingles weathered by time will never turn this disaster into something nice. And wait
until eight cars drive in and out of this dead end street. It is dangerous to those of us who live here and will in
time pose a problem for any emergency on this street.
Bangs Street has damaged the small neighborhood we once
were. This Menscher woman, this lawyer just used her pull with town officials and those in community development, to build
what no one else could ever build in this area.
And who is she to take over, to appropriate Bangs Street Extension?
It is not hers. It remains ours yet now it is gone.
Thursday, May 27, 2010
To Another Point
8:08 pm edt
Have you tried parking or turning your car around lately when construction trucks are there or during the summer. Last
summer there were at least 10 cars scattered about and no room to turn. Well, add 10 more and what do you have. A
mess and no room for a firetruck or ambulance. Good call, weathered shingles, such a nautical theme. Even smells
like rotten fish or it will smell close to that when the septic seeps down into the wetland this summer. Toxic Development,
still, despite the beautiful landscaping. Beauty is not skin deep.
Bogus Meeting Time
8:00 pm edt
If you think the meeting time was bogus, swamp Mr. Gardner and town hall with emails and phone calls expressing your
distaste about it. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. You are right. It was 100% bogus. They should not
be able to offer the excuse "well, nobody showed up" when they know it was a school function night people had planned
and needed to attend that had been scheduled for a while. Again, another example of disregard. Don't stand for
it. Why should you? You pay taxes too.
7:57 pm edt
Attn: The blogger who posted the idea last Tuesday about putting this building here and that building there along
with the Police in Town Hall.
I will only speak of the problem with putting the Police in Town Hall. When the
Police were there approx 25 years ago, the dept had only 2 marked and one unmarked cruisers and the only one who had a parking
space was the Police Chief. The Dept members had to find their own parking places. After the Police moved out, Town Hall was
quick to give it's own employees the mini lot across from Town Hall.
Since the Police moved out, the fleet of
vehicles has tripled which those vehicles alone would fill that mini lot still leaving the employees still with no place to
park. So without getting into the other reasons why it will not be a pratical place to locate the Police, I wanted to atleast
address what I'm sure you inadvertently did not think of. The Veterans Memorial School is the only place as far as I am concerned
that will accomodate the Police Dept as is if the idea of building a new Police Station does not happen.
Another Point of View:
7:54 pm edt
I live on Bangs Street not more than 100 feet from the new development. I think once the cedar shakes turn Cape
Cod Grey" and the landscaping is put in, the new Development is going to look just fine. At that time, if you'd never
been down bangs street, you wouldn't be able to tell that the development wasn't always there. I am in no was connected to
the developer, any board, or an employee of the town.
A satisfied abutter
Re:Streets Clogged With Traffic
7:53 pm edt
I had to laugh when I read this. Perhaps if parking rules were enforced the traffic (car, foot, and bicycle) would
flow more smoothly. Try leaving a meeting at COA and try to drive around the illegally parked taxis and service
vehicles on Alden St. and avoid oncoming traffic.
7:52 pm edt
Its nice to see they have a meeting the same night and at the same time that the kids have something going on at the
school so the parents or should I say the familys so they cant voice there opinion. I think its bogus
27-31 Bangs Street Pictures
11:15 am edt
I also support these pictures. They show perfectly how who you know decides what you get in this town. Keep
the pictures up please. People need to be reminded every day how our town officials have insulted us and this neighborhood
with their games. How anyone can defend this project is unimagineable.
Ad Hoc By-Law Revision Meeing
11:13 am edt
Is there any news on the meeting last night for bylaw revisions?
RAPHAEL RICHTER & SELECTMEN
10:59 am edt
I am writing in reference to the article on page 6 of this week's Banner
"Licensing board cited as lacking
With the exception of Mr. Santos, I am outraged at the decision and attitude of the other
BOS members and especially with the Chair.
I have known Mr. Richter since he was born and have always
with his maturity, intelligence, creativity
and energy. He has demonstrated his talents as a young
running a taxi business as well as being one of the producers of the Shakespeare summer theater that ran for 2 or 3 seasons.
For the majority of the BOS members to refuse to promote him into a vacant full member seat on
the Licensing Board due to a lack of experience is a lame excuse. I totally agree with Mr. Santos and Mr. Wagar's statements
that there are political undertones to the BOS's reasoning.
There are many instances of appointments to the various
Town Boards without past experiences. For example:
There are 2 members on the Zoning Board who were appointed
without any prior knowledge or experience. I was at that meeting when both applicants admitted that they would have to work
hard to understand and implement the
By-Laws, which we all know can be rather challenging. I think they have accomplished
Prior to Michele Couteur's tenure on the BOS, she was appointed to the Board of Health by
no other than then BOS Chair, Irene Rabinowitz. To my knowledge, Couteur had no past experience or knowledge of the Sanitary
codes and Title
V regs (she was there before the sewer was installed).
The only experience she had was waitressing
at a fish house which is no longer in business due to the Board of Health's decision to condemn the building.
much for experience. We should be pleased to have a young citizen interested in volunteering his time to a Board. We need
more young residents to start getting involved in this Town, they are the future. To discourage
any young adult from
participation due to the lack of experience sends a very strong message, "we don't want you,yet". It is time for
the BOS to GROW UP and move with the times.
I am so over Ms. Coutuer's personal agendas influencing the
of the BOS. If you support Mr. Richter's right to a
full membership on the Licensing Board, please contact the BOS and
Licensing Board with letters of endorsement.
Bangs St. Pictures - Keep Them Up !
10:56 am edt
It is wonderful that these pics are on the blog and should remain up until the town has made remedy of this situation.
People see these everyday here and are reminded over and over what a schlock deal we all got on that development.
I would not be surprised if these pics having to be repeatedly viewed were instrumental in Wednesday nite's meeting.
Thank you to the webmaster for having pics up of this and other disasterous situations that have affected
10:55 am edt
Rumor has it the police will be enforcing those who drink from a red cup? Is that true? Who's brain
storm was that? Good luck with that one.....
Let's hope you don't embarrass yourselves....
10:54 am edt
Most have learned from projects done.. It is all who you know that gets you what you want. Not by-laws,
rules or regulations. It's obvious they stretch them for some. Look around the town... Some have to go through
hoops to get what they want, while others just have to know the right person.
Shame on the town for no consistency!!!!
10:52 am edt
Chief Jarran says the police are finally going to start enforcing the No-Drinking-in-Public law this Memorial Day weekend.
Let's hope he keeps his word. These girls have gotten away with this for far too long. No other event allows or encourages
drinking in the streets. It's AGAINST THE LAW.
I think they should start checking IDs too. Some of these girls
look pretty young, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that many are not of legal drinking age.
There was so
much uproar about the possibility of bars staying open an extra hour and all the trouble it would cause. Some of those folks
should speak out on this issue too.
I know the guest house owners and liquor stores make a lot of money off Memorial
Day weekend, but it's not fair that the entire town should have to put up with this rude, drunken, disrespectful behavior.
Wednesday, May 26, 2010
Streets Clogged With Traffic
3:19 pm edt
As we begin yet another season of the streets in our tiny village filling up with cars and trucks, let's try to
walk or ride our bikes instead of getting into our cars to go half way accross this village. The situation and heart
break of what's happening in the gulf should shock all of us into thinking about every drop of oil and gas we use.
Agreed--why don't we try a few hours on the weekend of closing Commercial Street to vehicular traffic. currently one takes
their life in their hands walking down there with cars, bikes going every which way. A portion of Times Square is closed
to vehicular traffic, Memorial Drive in Cambridge is closed most of each Sunday-- May thru October. Why not Commercial Street?
People could see our beautiful town and not have to worry about being run over.
Laura Logue Rood
E-mail to David Gardner Re: tonights meeting:
3:16 pm edt
Remove any possible loophole town boards think exists that allows two buildings to be transformed into one. Stop
using the definition of the word "structure" as if it were a by-law. A definition is not a by-law. The
word "structure" should have no place in the approvals or denials of any project which proposes two buildings as
one due to a connector. The By-law regulating the number of buildings on a lot is clear #2550. To add verbage
to this bylaw regarding enclosed connectors is nonsensical. Additional verbage is not a deterrent but rather a small
obstacle, again, easily bypassed to obtain desired approvals for oversize projects by developers.
Mass. Law definitions
A combination of materials forming shelter for persons, animals or property.
A combination of materials OTHER THAN A BUILDING, including but not limited to a bridge, tower or other engineered work,
sign, fence, wall, terrace, walk, driveway, or pavement.
The two terms are not interchangeable yet Provincetown
boards treat them as such. Plans are submitted showing buildings then approvals are provided based on these buildings
being considered structures. Two buildings are not allowed to be connected to form one for a reason. Structures
are allowed to connect for a reason. No other town on the Cape has this issue of misinterpretation. If enough
lot space exists, no one should need to connect two separate buildings to make one. Again, sure project denial otherwise
is the only reason this would be requested. Also, I am distraught to learn developers are members of this committee
and allowed to actively participate in devising by-laws and regulations which affect them directly. Isn't this a conflict
of interest? Shouldn't the town boards empowered with these approvals or denials be the ones deciding on these issues?
Unfortunately, with developers participating in the decisions, I believe objectivity is a long shot at best and
actual results preventing future overdevelopment will not occur. The weak suggestion to add "enclosed" connectors
as a solution evidences this.
Caring about the Chimney at 24 Frankling?
10:58 am edt
They destroyed the original One and were forced to rebuild the chimney as it had been. They illegally demolished two
chimneys against Historic decision.
If this is caring, it's misdirected kudos.
A Suggested Revision
10:49 am edt
Bangs St. "approval" was based on this. To ensure it doesn't happen again, for example, I suggest:
The complete removal of any by-law associated with allowing the combination of two houses, buildings, structures
being sold or occupied separately into one using connectors of any sort. If someone has to connect or combine, either
via continuous foundation or enclosed connector, they are overbuilding. There is no reason for units being sold or occupied
separately to be connected other than to bypass lot size restrictions. Eradication of this loophole alltogether will
remove any chance of confusion in the future and be substantial in preventing abuse of lot size restrictions and overbuilding.
Food for thought. If you agree and even if you don't, please post. Now is the time. Get involved.
Remember, strength in numbers.
Bangs St. stupid Cul-de-Sac?
10:43 am edt
Stupid you say. Well stupid is as stupid does. I am staying by the way. Just like my father
and his father and his father's father who came from Portugal to make a life in what used to be a nice little fishing village
before they decided to be nice and accepting and let all you summer people buy up property and exploit the town with your
fancy ideas. Some say the Ptown of old wasn't that good. Were they actually there in the old? Because the old
was so much nicer. Fishing boats that actually fished, artists, quaint dead end cul-de-sacs that weren't stupid, even
smelled good Memorial Day weekend, like salt air instead of stale beer. I will look for a hobby and I suggest you do
the same. 4 C's may be offering a summer course in class and common sense that may suit you.
Re: 24 Franklin Street
8:48 am edt
And now 24 Franklin has the beautiful chimney.....
Well that's all fine and good BUT what about that
ugly additional staircase(s) on the side of the building in some brown color ? Those were not there before
It is clear form this renovation that keeping this house "Historical" was not the priority nor the end result.
It does not look like a house that belongs in the Historical district - with those NEW dormers and NEW staircase(s)
- it is clear the focus was not Historical preservation but the maximizing of square footage.
So a beautiful chimney
does not erase the injustice to the Historical district or to its residents that can't even make the slightest change to their
Rat in Basement - Thanks For the Info. Question Re: Ad Hoc Committee:
8:46 am edt
Confused a little. The 5/12/10 meeting lists members Ted Malone with A.T.Mangr David Gardner, Maxine Notaro, etc.
(town officials). Isn't Mr. Malone part of the problem? I know he isn't the developer of Bangs St. Ext. fame but
he is a prominent developer and will no doubt be affected by any decisions made at these meetings. Why is he on the
committee made up of town officials deciding bylaw revisions if he is a developer with an interest in them? Am I missing
something? Someone please explain.
Being unable to be there tonight, I have emailed my By-law revision
suggestions to Ms. Sharon Lynn with a copy to all members on this committee. Email addresses are on the website, except for
Ted Malone. I implore anyone else who is unable to attend to please do the same. I suggested getting rid of the
2 for 1 bylaw completely. Eradicate confusion. Forget continuous foundations and enclosed connectors. If
you need to combine or connect, you are overbuilding. Period. There is crucial strength in numbers necessary for
bringing about change. A chance to be heard is not often granted and certain people have worked very hard to make this
one a reality. To attend in person is best but if it is not an option, please email your suggestions and opinions. Something
is better than nothing. Let's put a stop to this relentless overdeveloping of our town and give its wounds a chance
to heal. Thank you.
Bangs Street Photos
8:41 am edt
I'm tired of having to scroll past all the photos of the Bangs Street project before I can get to reading the
latest posts. It's time to get rid of the photos or at least make them smaller!
Streets Clogged With Traffic
STREETS CLOGGED WITH TRAFFIC
8:40 am edt
As we begin yet another season of the streets in our tiny village filling up with
cars and trucks, let's try to walk or ride our bikes instead of getting into our cars to go half way accross this village.
The situation and heart break of what's happening in the gulf should shock all of us into thinking about every drop
of oil and gas we use.
Tuesday, May 25, 2010
11:43 pm edt
Now that the school will be closing in 2013, what will become of the school and the grounds? The highschool was
not so long ago refurnished. It has a large parking lot and also has the baseball field over the hill. Without the school
using the building, the parking lot and the ball field considering no kids and thus no teams, and the police department needing
a new home and town hall having just been refurbished, what will happen with the municipal buildings? Close the community
center and move the programs to where? Close the Gouviea building and move the water department where? Police go where? Does
town hall stay put or move perhaps the the school?
Town hall goes to the school, police go's into the
new town hall, water department and community center goes to the school also. Lets look down the road too, the elementary
school will close soon too probably. Centralizing things to the high school and centralizing the police to the middle of town
makes sense to me. Sell the old buildings and put the cash back to refitting the buildings. Also, eliminate some of the ball
field and make a satalite parking area, thus freeing up the MPL by the waterfront.
Provincetown's Dancing Cop
10:43 pm edt
Donald "The Dancin' Cop" Thomas's hours have been slashed. Please call the Provincetown Police Department
to voice your disapproval.
The Meeting (Wednesday)
10:13 pm edt
From the postings I'm reading here, it sounds like this is the time for the Bang's Street abutters and others
who are concerned about Provincetown to attend and perhaps offer suggestions on where you see the need for bylaw changes.
It's amazing what can happen when people work together!
Bangs Street Issue a "Tired Old Horse"......??
8:35 pm edt
Anyone who equivocates Bangs St. to a tired old horse does not deserve to call themselves a resident of Provincetown.
These "beautiful" 4 separate houses exemplify the problems affecting this town negatively for years and only
now climaxing with action provoked by caring citizens. Sad you see differently. There is no more pertinent current
issue than the damage done to this town at the hands of greedy developers and their cohorts in town hall. It is time
to put a stop to it once and for all. These pictures are key in keeping this issue alive, where it belongs. Important
in the moment then forget about it and move on. Typical. The webmaster showcasing the issue is imperative to promote
long needed change. This issue affects all who truly care about this town. You are wrong to discourage action.
Who do you work for?
Truth be Told
8:00 pm edt
This site is nothing more than a selective and anonymous "Letters to the Editor" blog...
24 Franklin Street
7:58 pm edt
And now 24 Franklin has the beautiful chimney that Rob Tosner promised. I did not know he was such a good man of his
McMansions on the hill
7:57 pm edt
To answer who owns the McMansions on the hill, town officials, who else?
Taken From Russell Braun's Memorandum
7:52 pm edt
This does not address the problem exampled by the Bangs St. project. This puts a different hat on it. The
problem still remains.
2550 Multiple Buildings per Lot More than one principal building may
be erected or moved onto a single lot provided that they are not closer to each other than nine (9) feet or twelve (12) feet
if either exceeds two stories in height. Lot area requirements must be met for each principal building without counting any
lot area twice.
****For the purposes of this section, dwelling units (and commercial spaces?) connected
by structural elements that DO NOT CREATE ABOVE-GROUND ENCLOSED SPACE shall be considered separate buildings.***
All this means is developers have to canopy their connectors and viola, two = one. So what is the definition of ABOVE-GROUND
ENCLOSED SPACE? A piece of lattice, netting, solid walls and roof, what?
If you need to connect 2
to make l because you don't have enough lot space, you shouldn't be building 2. How about that instead of skirting around
wording in bylaws to get approval.
Be careful. This is not a fix. It is a rewording of the same thing existing
7:49 pm edt
Shouldn't we go to this planning board meeting and make our voices heard? Stand up and speak out against this
over crowding of our neighborhoods.
7:48 pm edt
Shouldn't we all go to this meeting and make a public statement? Shouldn't the people writing here go and express
the fact that they don't want a two-for-one housing bylaw and want it repealed?
7:46 pm edt
Face the Facts
7:44 pm edt
All the stuff going on in this town like, closing the high school, green lines on commercial st.and building on bangs
st. this town is going down hill fast.
The way that I look at it, there are to many low income houses or
that is so called low income houses, its ridiculous. People can't afford to live in them and when they get in, they raise
the rent on the people renting them or should we say trying to rent them. Basically were getting what we're paying for
people who can't run this town.
Re: "Monday Morning Quarterbacks"
7:40 pm edt
To the blogger complaining about the lack of protest at meetings from the "Monday morning quarterbacks" -
Do you realize how things get done in this town ? I have been at board meetings which were inundated with abutters
and neighbors complaining and protesting a certain development - guess what happened ? The development received initial approval
that night even though there was not even an accurate set of plans presented !
I have been at meetings where even
attorneys for the abutters present have looked in utter disbelief as to the boards findings. And I clarify - not disapointment
but utter disbelief in terms of what was going on with approvals.
It's bad enough we have to suffer from what
get's built from these favored rulings - please don't insult abutters and neighbors by saying we don't show up and make our
Re: 2:00am Closing
7:36 pm edt
I disagree with it... An extra hour means more people, more fights, more police needed to stay on longer
and overtime needed to be spent....
So much for the financial crisis Ptown is suppose to be in...
7:34 pm edt
How is this site fair & unbiased, created to help the town? Does webmaster have a personal agenda? It would
appear so since all focus is ONLY on tired ole Bangs St.. There are lots of other topics than this tired horse. Let's
use this site for what it was intended and not for a personal sounding board. We get it... the bylaws need to be re-written.
7:32 pm edt
The Banner employs the journalistic standards of a high school newspaper.
Pru Sowers recently "reported"
about Seashore Point earning high marks in a state survey. She failed to include any comment from residents or families, leading
the reader to wonder if she really did any reporting. (Truth be told, she didn't.)
Sweet Sowers' "story"
was nothing more than a press release. Does the Banner really operate from a news perspective, or is it simply a portal for
It makes me wonder about "the news."
7:31 pm edt
"Quaint"!? It was a stupid little rural culdasac prior to this fabulous improvement that will
increase the neighbors property values. The homes look great. Enjoy!! Cause they're staying... are you!?
MOVE ON with life... walk the beach... have a drink... find another hobby.
7:29 pm edt
Thanks for the post. Very interesting.
New Police Station?!!
7:28 pm edt
I LOVE the police chief's idea to build a new station!
Doesn't it make perfect sense to spend millions of
dollars for a new station?
Especially when the alternatives of waiting for the high school as a site, or even
moving the station back to town hall, are promising.
No. Let's just spend more money that no one has and build
a new police station.
Monday, May 24, 2010
To Bangs St. Questions
7:25 pm edt
Some of us Monday night quarterbacks were there at the meetings witnessing first hand the shameful display. We
were the ones whose many questions and concerns were all brushed off and completely ignored.
This is a Long Post, But I Think It's Important
7:22 pm edt
The Town Managers Ad Hoc Zoning Bylaw Revision Committee will hold a Public meeting on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 6:00
p.m., in Room 6, at the Grace Gouveia Building located at 26 Alden Street, Provincetown, MA 02657
1. Public Comments
2. Article 1 definitions and Section
3110 Nonconformancy; Create clear raze and replace language for 1 & 2 family homes as well as other structures
3. Section 3330 Roofs and Section 2560 Dimensional Schedule; Clarify and change roof height/ roof style/ roof pitch
(including dormers) issues
4. Article 1 and Section 2550; Definition of structure and clarification of separation
between buildings and number of buildings permitted per lot
Ad Hoc Zoning Bylaw
Revision Working Group
Wednesday, May 12, 2010
Grace Gouveia Building, Room 6
26 Alden Street, Provincetown,
Members Present: David Gardner, Maxine Notaro, Anne Howard, Ginny Binder, David Nicolau and Ted Malone.
Excused Absent: Marianne Clements and Russ Braun.
Meeting in session at 6:02 p.m.
The town meeting
body voted to adopt the Formula Business Regulated District Bylaw as presented by Barbara Rushmore. The Ad Hoc Working
Group discussed what was approved and where changes could be addressed as follows:
2360 Formula Business Regulated
"Formula Business" means a type of retail sales establishment, restaurant,
tavern, bar, or take-out food establishment which is under common ownership or control or is a franchise, and is one of ten
or more businesses or establishments worldwide maintaining three or more of the following features:
Standardized menu or standardized array of merchandise with 50% or more of in-stock merchandise from a single distributor
bearing uniform markings.
(b) Trademark or service mark, defined as a word, phrase, symbol or design, or
a combination of words, phrases, symbols or designs that identifies and distinguishes the source of the goods from one party
from those of others, on products or as part of the store design, such as cups, napkins, bags, boxes, wrappers, straws, store
signs or advertising devices.
(c) Standardized signage and color scheme used throughout the interior or
exterior of the establishment.
(d) Standardized uniform, including but not limited to, aprons, pants, shirts,
smocks or dresses, hat and pins (other than name tags).
(e) Standardized facade and signage.
The purpose and intent of the Formula Business Regulated District (FBRD) is to address the adverse social
and economic impact of standardized businesses on Provincetown's historic residential community character. The proliferation
of Formula Businesses will have a negative impact on the Town's economy, historical relevance, unique character and economic
The location of the Formula Business Regulated District (FBRD) shall encompass
the Town of Provincetown.
(2) Permitted Uses
Any use permitted in the underlying zoning district
shall be permitted, except for those specifically prohibited below in Section 3.
(3) Regulated Uses
The following language should be placed under section 2362 Purpose
Formula Business uses are regulated in the
FBRD in order to maintain a unique retail and dining experience. Formula Businesses frustrate this goal by detracting from
Provincetown's overall historic experience and threatening its tourist economy.
The following section
should be included in Article 4, Special Regulations
The proposed use of any building or structure for a Formula Business
establishment shall require both a Special Permit from the Zoning Board of Appeals and a site plan approval of the Planning
Board as well as the business license. The impact on the neighborhood and Town visual character and the impact on surrounding
businesses of any Formula Business establishment shall be a criteria for approval, or take any other action relative thereto.
Also discussed was inserting it into 2440 Permitted Principal Uses table under B. Business as follows:
B11 Formula Business Res1 District NO Res2 District NO Res3 ResB District BA
TCC District BA GC District BA Seashore District S NO Public Use District M NO
Also briefly discussed
were the following topics of concern by the Building Commissioner to be discussed at other meetings of the Working Group.
Discussion on what types of structures are included in scale that could be excluded
such as sheds.
Create clear raze and replace language in 3110 both for 1 &2 family homes as well as
The language as written is unclear as to demolition and reconstruction within the existing footprint.
Sign bylaw, including relief
This could be handled through Special Permit instead of a Variance but
the bylaw itself needs to be discussed and reworked.
Tighter definition of accessory artist studio.
Define what type of accessory uses is allowed.
Clarify and change roof height/ roof style/ roof pitch
(including dormers) issues.
Better organized and clearer site plan review criteria.
Could have Site
Plan Review as a Special Permit with the Planning Board as the Special Permit Granting Authority.
Special Permit Requirements for Entertainment, Seating, Alcoholic Beverages
Discussed what should fall within zoning
board approval such as outdoor seating. However, requests to rearrange seating could be handled through either Licensing
or Building Department.
Definition of structure deal with the connected building issue, pools and
What constitutes one structure if two buildings are connected by decks or foundations? Should there
be a limit on distance when two buildings/structures are connected.
Provide clearer parking guidelines.
Ours are scattered all over the bylaw.
It would be helpful if the parking requirements were in one section of the bylaws.
Other sections of the bylaw will be addressed at different meetings such as:
Deal with lodging
uses in Res1 districts
Better definition of natural grade
2550 Two buildings per
lot- is very unclear.
4500 Inland wetland areas This should be in the local Conservation bylaw,
The goal of the Working Group will be to take up and work on approximately three items for each session.
The three topics of discussion for the May 26, 2010 meeting will be:
1. Create clear raze and replace language
in 3110 both for 1 & 2 family homes as well as other structures.
2. Clarify and change roof height/ roof style/
roof pitch (including dormers) issues and;
3. Definition of structure deal with the connected building issue,
pools and palletized patios.
Braun, Building Commissioner
Subject: Discussion topics
Raze and replace
this is a modification of some sample language from Mark Bobrowski. We already have language for reconstruction
after catastrophe. Leave that as is. This is my thought:
Reconstruction after Demolition. A
nonconforming structure(and use?) may be reconstructed after demolition by Special Permit and in accordance with the following
1. Reconstruction of said premises shall commence within two years after such demolition.
2. Structures(s) as reconstructed shall be located on the same footprint as the original nonconforming structure
and shall be only as great in building scale or area as the original nonconforming structure.
The apparent main issue regarding this definition is the usage of a connector of some type between two buildings to create
a single building. This has been an interpretation of the bylaw for some time. Even though the connective tissue
might not be considered a building (open decks, foundations and retaining walls) by our bylaw definition, when two separate
buildings (which are structures) are structurally connected, its hard to argue that they are not a single building.
I think the concept of ownership and control needs to be considered. For instance, the Marcel Breuer home in Wellfleet
is essentially two separate structures connected by a deck. I dont think that you could argue that it is not one structure.
They function as a unified whole.
I think, however, when different dwelling units are tenuously joined,
the situation is different. In that case the connection is one, typically, of convenience. Because this confusion
stems, usually, from the desire to put more buildings on a lot, perhaps clarification should happen in 2550 which would give
us the opportunity to clear up some other issues with this section.
2550 Multiple Buildings per Lot More
than one principal building may be erected or moved onto a single lot provided that they are not closer to each other than
nine (9) feet or twelve (12) feet if either exceeds two stories in height. Lot area requirements must be met for each principal
building without counting any lot area twice. For the purposes of this section, dwelling units (and commercial spaces?)
connected by structural elements that do not create above-ground enclosed space shall be considered separate buildings.
Swimming pools above ground as well as in-ground pools?
Palletized patios the definition should
change. As long as it is ground level why limit the size of the sections to 4 x 8? It doesnt make sense from a
A combination of materials assembled, constructed or erected which is not fixed to a
structure and whose assembled components are no more than 6 above grade.
I find all of
3330 problematic and believe that the entire section should be eliminated or incorporated elsewhere. If this is not
to be then we should eliminate confusion regarding the types of roofs allowed and minimum pitches allowed.
on some cursory research, it appears to me that the language of 3330 predates the establishment of the Historic District.
Consequently, it is my opinion that much of the language in this section is superfluous. Secondly, the roof classifications
in 2560 and their corresponding heights leave too many roof types in the other category which may not be accurate or fair.
I know that in the past there has been difficulty in defining different styles of roofs. Therefore my suggestion
is to be a little forgiving regarding those undefined roofs in the other catagory:
Finally, Section 3300 Design
Standards needs to be reviewed as a whole. There are a number of obsolete references and other references that predate
the Historic District. If we are going to be reviewing 3340 as well, I believe we should look at the whole Design Standards
section and make sure that it all works together.
These are some of the contradictory of problematic sections:
Pitches 2560 calls for a minimum of 4/12 for gable and hip roofs. 3330 call for minimum 6/12.. Which
is it? Do we care?
Dormers minimum pitch designation would preclude the use of eyebrow dormers. I
think that a case could be made that flat roofed dormers in some cases might be appropriate. In the Historic District,
let HDC deal with it. Elsewhere, dont comment. Eliminate 3330.C.2
3330 B - Flat roofs. Flat
roofed buildings must be lower than gable roofs by definition in 2560. Flat roofs fall under the Other category and
are limited to 23. Therefore the statement in 3330 B about flat roofed buildings appearing more bulky doesnt make sense.
Secondly, flat roofs are controlled within the Historic District. The wording they shall be avoided is unclear.
Get rid of
3330 C.3 These criteria regarding design should be under Site Plan Review. Commercial
developments of the size contemplated in this bylaw section would have to go to Site Plan review by default. This is
a Planning Board issue.
My suggestion is to eliminate 3300 and to make the following changes to the Dimensional
2560 Dimensional Schedule
Max. Building Heights
Hip and gable roofs
Flat roofs 23
Gambrel, mansard and all other
Section 3100 Nonconformancy
3110 Change, Extensions
or Alterations As provided in Sec. 6, Ch. 40A, G.L., Pre-existing nonconforming structures may be altered, reconstructed,
extended or changed if in so doing the nonconformancy is not increased. The following types of alterations do not result in
an increase in nonconformancy:
1. Alteration to a nonconforming structure where the alteration will comply with all
applicable sections of the Zoning By-law in effect at the time of application.
2. Alteration to a nonconforming structure
on a lot containing at least the minimum square footage required, prior to any lot dimensional increases within the zoning
district in which the lot is located, where the alteration will comply with all applicable sections of the Zoning By-law,
in effect at the time of application, including but not limited to yard setback, lot coverage and height requirements.
Otherwise, pre-existing nonconforming structures may be extended, altered or changed along the nonconforming
dimension or dimensions without intruding further into existing setback area if the Board of Appeals after a Public Hearing
finds that such extension, alteration, or change will not be substantially more detrimental than the existing nonconformancy
to the neighborhood.
Pre-existing nonconforming uses may be extended or altered if the Board of Appeals
after a Public Hearing finds that such extension or alteration will not be substantially more detrimental than the existing
nonconformancy to the neighborhood. Pre-existing nonconforming uses may be changed upon the granting of a Special Permit
by the Board of Zoning Appeals as specified in Section 5300. Nonconforming structures may be extended, altered or changed
so as to make a conforming dimension Nonconforming only upon the granting of a dimensional variance by the Board of Appeals.
Once changed to conformancy, no structure or use shall be permitted to revert to
Any extension of a nonconforming structure must have a continuous foundation and floor plan with said structure.
Restoration Any legally nonconforming building or structure may be reconstructed if destroyed by fire or other accidental
or natural cause if reconstruction is begun within one year and completed within two years from the date of the catastrophe,
or else such reconstruction must comply with this By-Law.
3130 Abandonment A nonconforming use which has been abandoned,
or discontinued for a period of two years, shall not be re-established, and any future use of the premises shall conform with
A. Applicability This section is applicable
in all zoning districts.
B. Purpose Provincetown is a 19th Century seaport town which has a distinctive architectural
character. Part of that character is attributed to roof pitches in the range of (6 in 12) and (14 in 12)--this means for every
12 units of horizontal distance, a roof shall rise from 6 to 14 units in height with the exception of a few Victorian buildings
and recent structures, all of the town's buildings conform to this range in roof pitch. Since flat-roofed buildings of the
same height as pitched-roof buildings would appear substantially more bulky, and would, therefore alter the traditional character
of the town, they shall be avoid ed. The existing buildings in the town range from one and one-half to three stories. Although
heights are often mixed, the maximum height to be permitted in different areas of town shall be consistent with Section 2560
of the Provincetown Zoning By-Laws.
C. Roof Pitch
1. Standards All new developments as specified in Section 6100
shall have roof pitches between (6 in 12) and (14 in 12) except a hip roof which shall have at least (4 in 12) and mansard
and gambrel roofs which shall have no specific pitch requirement, unless a Special Permit is granted by the Board of Appeals
as specified in Section 5300 in conformance with the requirements listed below.
2. Dormers Dormers shall have a minimum
pitch of 4:12. No part of a dormer shall extend above the ridge height of the roof from which it projects.
of Appeals Approval No approval for deviation from the above standard shall be granted unless the Board of Appeals finds that
the deviation from the standard is in keeping with the standards for a Special Permit, the objectives of the Master Plan and
is appropriate for one of the following reasons:
a. The function of the structure or the structure's importance to the
community as a whole, justifies a different roof pitch. For example, a residential structure would not merit this sort of
consideration, while a church or public building might. A supermarket or warehouse structure with a need to span large floor
areas may also be exempted, however, the design of a shopping center that looks like normal shopping centers is contrary to
the purpose of this By-Law. Thus, in granting a deviation, the Board of Appeals shall be looking for a design that breaks
up the typical straight front of the center and creates internal pedestrian areas and spaces.
b. Other features of the
proposed design are such that the deviation of the roof pitch is not disruptive to the character of the area. There may be
other advantages of the design that can make up for the difference in roof pitch. For example, a lower pitch may allow buildings
further inland to retain a view of the bay.
c. The cost of replacing the roof of an existing building, where the roof
would not otherwise be modified, is too high given the improvement in character that would result.
For example, if a
roof deck had been added that disrupts the character of the surrounding area, removal would be justifiable; requiring a small
affordable housing unit to replace an entire roof would be justifiable.
D. Roof Configuration.
No existing gable
roof shall be replaced with a different roof configuration without a Special Permit from the Board of Appeals which shall
specifically address, in addition to the requirements of Section 5330, the solar access available to neighboring structures
(reference Chapter 637 of the Acts of 1985), and public safety including Fire Department facilities.
Structure any combination of materials assembled, constructed or erected
that fixed location on the ground or attached to something having location on the ground, including swimming pools having
a capacity of 4,000 gallons or more and retaining walls supporting more than four feet of unbalanced material, but not including
flagpoles, paving, temporary structures such as tents and canopies, palletized patios, or fences which do not exceed 6 feet
above the property grade. The word "structure" shall be construed where the context requires, as though followed
by the words, "or part or parts thereof".
2550 Two Buildings Per Lot More than one
building may be erected or moved onto a single lot provided that they are not closer to each other than nine (9) feet or twelve
(12) feet if either exceeds two stories in height. Lot area requirements must be met for each principal building without counting
any lot area twice.
A Rat In The Basement
4:36 pm edt
I vote for a new building moratorium immediately. So does my mother, brothers and sisters.
27-31 Bangs Street
1:37 pm edt
I agree, the Bangs Street development seems to be wrong, but just showing pictures and blogging about it will not stop
or change anything. Only a court of law can stop this now. Who will lead this new fight against the town and who will pay
for it? If nobody wants to pay, the only way to stop future developments will be to have a new building moratorium.
1:35 pm edt
It is sad that people can't extrapolate and realize that was is done on the hidden side street of Bangs Street can also
be done in any neighborhood on any street corner where there is some space. All of Provincetown will be paved over if we don't
take action now.
1:34 pm edt
While I live here and am not involved in the bar scene in any way, this is a tourist town and we must cater to
the tourists. I believe that the bars should stay open and that they should immediately be allowed to stay open until 2am
firday, Saturday and Sunday nights.
If there is no dramatic rise in crime and rude behavior, then stay open 7
days a week. People will come here rather than go someplace else; they won't rush here at midnight.
Re: Bangs St .
11:29 am edt
Agreed, enough already, this topic's getting tired. Can't we get back to trashing Guertin and the Pier Corp?
27-31 Bangs Street
11:27 am edt
Jealous neighbors aren't the only ones complaining. Permits, although handed out, aren't based on "legal"
guidelines, the project was deceptively presented, etc. But what, now neighbors have to pay an attorney to have their
own town regulations imposed correctly. Those who say enuf, move on, exhibit their ignorance as to the repercussions
of the typical "look the other way" response you are getting from your town officials on this. Say goodbye
to your neighborhoods, what's left of them as it is now. I am not a neighbor and I am not jealous of this exhibit of
greed. As someone who does not want to see my town further ruined for a buck, however, I am seriously offended by this
insult to this quaint little street in the name of needed "affordable" housing.
27-31 Bangs Street
10:57 am edt
Mass. bldg. term defs. are below. Bangs St. Ext. is 4 separate "buildings" despite be presented as 2
w/connectors between "structures". Bylaw #2550 applies 100%. An ambiguous "interpretation" of the
term "structure" is no basis for approval and this permit is invalid. 2 of these 4 buildings are in clear violation.
Ambiguity of definitions of terms is purposely prevented resulting in consistency across the state. Deviation due to
one town's Bldg. Inspector's inability to "interpret" terms is impossible. It is no surprise this Blgs. Inspector
ignored the pertinent bylaw and instead chose to base his approval on his "interpretation" of a word. This
worked out very conveniently to the benefit of his fellow private developer.
of materials forming shelter for persons, animals or property.
A combination of materials
other than a building, including but not limited to a bridge, tower or other engineered work, sign, fence, wall, terrace,
walk, driveway, or pavement.
Town boards, officials, whatever you want to call them, will never own up to
"mistakes" although their "mistakes" on this one are numerous and substantial. Hiding violations
and ignoring requests for answers is their mantra. If the same paid town boards empowered with insuring against them,
actually encourage violations, all trust of residents is destroyed. This is well on the way to happening now. The blatant
abuse and serious scarring of this town for future generations will continue unless people who really do care act against
it. Ptown deserves better. Good job to those bent on rightfully exposing the corruption feeding these toxic developments
of which Bangs St. Ext. is the poster child.
10:52 am edt
Work 36, get paid for 40 @ $143,000, never available to the public... not a bad gig...
explains why there is no $$$ for anyone else....
27-31 Bangs Street
10:49 am edt
Its all fine and dandy to show pictures and blog away about the Bangs Street development, but what are the neighbors
doing about this problem? Surely a good lawyer could hold this project up for years if the neighbors want to pay for it.
Bangs St. Question
10:47 am edt
Where were all you Monday morning Quarterbacks.when public statements were possible at all the different board meetings?????
Typical! Blame yourself!!!!
Conwell Street Sign
10:46 am edt
There is a very nice new sign at the Conwell St intersection coming into town from the highway. It looks to be
constructed of the same material the state highway signs are, yet it advertises the Portuguese Festival. Will other
signs for specials events be allowed? PAW weekend? Leatherman Weekend? Women's Week? Just sayin'
Bangs St; It's a Done Deal
10:44 am edt
Come On, Man! Give it a rest. The houses look great! Permits were issued based on the way guidelines are currently (legally)
written. If anyone wants to prevent a repeat they need to make motion to chg bylaws. Let's chg the topic already...&
get rid of pictures. Only ones that are keeping the posts are jealous neighbors associated w/this blog. Enuf already!!
27-31 Bangs Street
10:42 am edt
The person trying to put up the shed had no other issues other than distance between the shed and his primary residence.
No setbacks issues, nothing. Let's not forget, a lesser project on this very same site was ademantly denied before,
setting a precedent. This larger, more destructive project was then allowed by the very same person denying before.
Why? Simple question, no answer.
10:41 am edt
This hasn't gone to State Court yet...your facts are wrong. He left this town, but I miss him (and no, I don't believe
he cares to post here, lol). I can assure you, he has won many fans and many hearts with his honest fight. And no,
is a perfectly reasonal police response though!
>Has this guy won anything? He got arrested and was convicted.
His appeal was overturned. Scott 0-2
He then appealed to the Commonwealth's supreme court, which upheld the court's
ruling. Scott lost again. Scott 0-3
Sunday, May 23, 2010
To "B. Rushmore, etc."
8:08 pm edt
Thank you for your response. I understand your logic, however, I respectfully defer to the following:
1. Mr.Braun publicly stated that he approved this project based on a specific "By-law". Asst
Town Manager Mr. David Gardner and Mr. Lester Murphy both stated publicly to the Banner, in an effort to garner positive public
support and to validate the legitimacy of this project, that this project was in complete compliance with a specific "By-law".
Supposedly said "By-Law" "stated" 4 = 2 based on connectors as a criteria and continuous foundations
as a strengthening criteria. Check the plans. There are no continuous foundations. Check the by-laws. There
is no "By-law" which states a combination of two "buildings" by a connector of any sort allows them to
be considered one "building". Check the regs. Why lie if you are legal?
Building: A structure having a roof and supported by columns or walls FOR SHELTER OR ENCLOSURE OF PERSONS, ANIMALS, PROPERTY
OR AN ACTIVITY; such structure does not include camper as defined in this By-laws.
Then check the definition
of "structure". It is very clear. A "structure" is a sub-term of "building". This
project clearly consists of 4 separate buildings based on definitions as each has a roof, is supported by columns and has
walls for shelter (and houses persons/and/or animals).
2. This project is, therefore, required to
be based on the fact that these units are "buildings" not simple "structures". The term "structure"
alone does not pertain at all as it is a sub-term of "building" and differs from "building". A structure
does not house persons, animals, etc. A swimming pool, a deck, a terrace, a retaining wall, examples given in
the definition. Check with any other building inspector on the Cape. This definition is clear. Check the
State Regs. Definition is clear.
These are definitions not unique to Provincetown. Cut and
dry terms followed by all Cape towns yet Ptown "can't" interpret them on this project. Why is that do you think?
3. While the permitting may have been done in order, it's base was flawed which renders the initial
project approval flawed. The Bldg. Inspector knows this. Check the body language during the meeting. How
many times did he look at his watch? 16
4. Setbacks. Bangs St. Ext. is and has been for
the last 65 years, a private road. It has not been and is not now staked properly for this development. The lot
wasn't even staked properly for construction. Take a walk down the road. Can you determine where this road lies?
Setbacks were based on the clear definition of this road and you can't even tell where it is. The developer does not
own this road yet for some reason it has become part of her project. Her boundaries are from the edge of the undiscernable
road? (i.e., no stakes at all). How were setbacks determined if the starting point wasn't staked?
many violations. There has to be more to this than meets the eye. Town officials were squirming during the meeting,
Conservation Rep.didn't lift his head from the table, town "counsel" was a joke, a confused Bldg. Inspector looked
like he was late for American Idyl, Selectman knitting feverishly (what, an escape route). What a ruse.
6:36 pm edt
Has this guy won anything? He got arrested and was convicted. Scott 0-1.
He appealed. His appeal was overturned.
He then appealed to the Commonwealth's supreme court, which upheld the court's ruling. Scott lost again.
Now he's filed a federal lawsuit. When he loses this case, will he go all the way to the supreme court?
Barry.... face the music. YOU WERE WRONG!
Score: Scott 0
Shout Out! and Morning Coffee
6:34 pm edt
Is the Blog winding down or is the WebMaster away? Usually I can read the early morning postings as I'm having my coffee.
Stop & Shop
6:32 pm edt
I noticed the reopening flags at the Stop and Shop thursday at 8am were down by noon. Was there a complaint ? Stop and
Shop is doing so much for us ,especially the yearrounders. I feel like we may have bit the hand that is literally feeding
us. The tennis courts in the far west end (Red Clay at the old Bissel's) had an open flag from May through October last year
with no problem. Why the difference?
Yup, Yup, Yup
6:31 pm edt
Town Manager gets $145,000 and what do we get? Corrumpt public officials. Such a deal, Sharon!
You get your innuity with this salary increase and what do we get? Nothing but more, unfortunately, corruption.
I can only hope that you Sharon are not part,part of this corrunption. But, sadly,I do believe, my dear, you are.
6:29 pm edt
The town has no money to give any raises to anyone. But, they sure found money for Sharon Lynn's salary...
Not only does she benefit from the 4 day work week, now she is going to receive a tidy sum for her short work week!
What's wrong with this?
It pays to work less..cause you get more........
Re: A Suggestion
6:28 pm edt
Anything can be changed by a citizens petition at town meeting. Zoning laws, conscom bylaws, BOH regs, all of
it. But it doesn't happen BECAUSE THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS TOO LAZY TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN COMPLAIN. Thats why Bangs Street
is the way it is, thats why the Murchison property was railroaded, thats why the town manager gets a raise in the middle of
a financial disaster, thats why the unions in town run amuck! But hey, it's easier to complain. It gives the lazy fools something
6:26 pm edt
Why is it people are upset about the four day work week. It's a four day work week but it still ends up
being a 36 hour work week (minus the luch hour). I believe other towns on the Cape only work a 35 hour work week and
the salaries are higher. Why is it Provincetown residents always want more for less.
24 Franklin Street
6:25 pm edt
I drove by 24 Franklin today. Kudos to Tosner and Victor for the appropriate windows. They kept their word and it looks
6:23 pm edt
Saw his picture on the Banner website. That's it? Seen more damage from a friendly snow ball fight.
How many times has he lost in court so far? 100%. Everyone else who testified is lying, yeah right.
Drill Baby Drill
6:22 pm edt
So much for Sara Palin's clarion call of "Drill Baby Drill". She seems resolutely silent about this
now. She is such a gusher of Ignorant babbling.
27-31 Bangs Street
6:20 pm edt
Houses close together abound in Provincetown. True. Bangs St. Ext. project may be looking cute with shingles
and a foundation "nestled" into the dune as one blogger wrote, however, the fact is direct violations of local and
state laws on more levels than can be listed on this blog have occured. This project was intentionally presented deceptively.
A fabricated bylaw. Presented with continuous foundations. Read the plans. There are none. Where's
the bylaw. The Bldg. inspector didn't know. Come on. Town boards are controlled by town officials. Town officials
are controlled by certain developers. Nature's way, survival of the fittest. Conflicts of interest taint all phases
of permitting. It's not a matter of other houses around it being McMansions or liking it or not liking it. It
is a matter of deceipt, blatant code violations and illegalities and this town being used and encouraged to be used over and
over by weak town officials as a cash cow for developers who control them. All to the detriment of the natural and physical
environment that is extremely fragile. This development abuts a wetland directly and steeply downhill. Where do
you think this oversized septic will leach? Up? This development is the poster child for abuse by greedy developers
who do the same thing over and over. Build so big they need special permits. They don't want to make money, they
want to make a financial windfall. What about the guy who tried to build smaller on this same site and was denied because
of fear of damaging the environment and inadequate lot space? Denied by the same woman who approved this. Ellen
Battaglini never did return the call. Explain that, explain why that was denied and this 4 times larger and more damaging
was approved. Plant a few pine trees, great. What about completely flattening all vegetation and clearcutting
the dune. Where are the ladyslippers now? It is a matter of drawing the line and taking responsibility for the
future of this town. New developments espec!
es built under a guise need to be stopped. People
in town need to wake up to this. How can you defend this on any level? Because it's been done over and over, it
shouldn't ever be stopped. Great logic. and it's just beginning...
Houses on Bangs St
6:16 pm edt
Those are gorgeous!! Let's see more pics!! I can't really see the houses with first 30 pics. How about some ariel
Bangs Street and Barbara Rushmore
6:15 pm edt
You reference this bylaw: 2550 Two Buildings Per Lot More than one building may be erected or moved onto a single
lot provided that they are not closer to each other than nine (9) feet or twelve (12) feet if either exceeds two stories in
I down loaded the Zoning Bylaw and this is the definition of Structure: Structure any combination of materials
assembled, constructed or erected that fixed location on the ground or attached to something having location on the ground,
including swimming pools having a capacity of 4,000 gallons or more and retaining walls supporting more than four feet of
unbalanced material, but not including flagpoles, paving, temporary structures such as tents and canopies,palletized patios,
or fences which do not exceed 6 feet above the property grade. The word"structure" shall be construed where the
context requires, as though followed by the words, "or part or parts thereof".
I also went to the town's
website and looked up under zoning permits issued. 1. Case # 2008-27; 2. Date application filed: April 02, 2008; 3.
Applicants Name: William Rogers; 4. Request: Special Permit Art. 3, Sect. 3340; 5. Decision/Date files with the Town Clerk:
Jule 21, 2008.
I went back to the Bylaws to read section 3340 Building Scale, which seemed like a lot to print
here but states A. Applicability. B. Purpose. C. Procedure. D. Standards and E. Board of Appeals Approval.
looks like this property needed approval from the Zoning Board of Appeals for deviation in building scale from the neighborhood
The situation you mention about the person who wanted to connect his shed but could not because
it was closer than 9 feet, did he have other issues with the bylaw? It appears, in reading the bylaws that setback requirements
must be met as well. Did this property require other parts of the bylaw they could not meet?
would think the definitions are in place for a reason. The definition of a structure, as I read it, is clear in what
constitutes a structure. It does not say "structures". If it had said "structures" then I
would say one would have to apply the 2550 section of the bylaw.
Perhaps the definition of structure should be
reworded or a change in how the scale bylaw is written or the 2550 bylaw or all three.
Are the members of the
town boards town employees because the blog keeps mentioning it's the fault of town officials.
Where I live we
have few bylaws. Be thankful you have the bylaws you have because Provincetown could look much worse.
Civil Rights Lawsuit
6:11 pm edt
Barry thanks for the post, glad you are doing well and have the spin machine in motion. Of course the first
post on this very boring topic would be from you. Please find another place to spin your web.
Saturday, May 22, 2010
1:41 pm edt
Here is something YOU can do if your mad that town hall and town workers have Fridays off. At the next town meeting.
You can submit an article to return the five day work week for all Provincetown town workers. If it passes and the selectmen
don't change the four day week. We can recall them, and then have the town manager fired by a new board.
Friday, May 21, 2010
Thank You Move On...
11:15 pm edt
You brought me back to reality. I appreciate your honesty and efforts to put the "line" into perspective.
When compared to what's happening down south, Ptown's local issues truly are small, though when in the throes, they're
all we care about.
I envy those lucky enough to call Ptown their year round home and admire their devotion to
this community we visitors are so lucky to share, sometimes for only a week or two.
So thank you to James, Katherine,
Paul, my sister Liz, the members of the East End Collaborative and everyone who stood up on both sides of the "line".
It took guts to voice opinions either way. And thank you to mother nature for creating this unique haven of art
and culture that brings out the passion in so many.
In the end, or should I say both ends in reference to Ptown,
the color of the sky over the harbor, the sound of the ferry and fog horns and the sight of cormorants standing watch
from the breakwater are what's important.
I am grateful to be able to sit, watch life go on up and down commercial street
and just be present when I can.
Looking forward to moving on.
Claire Carney Griffin
Civil Rights Lawsuit
11:12 pm edt
Saw in the Banner today that DJ Barry Scott and his partner Brian have now filed a civil rights lawsuit against
this town. It's been a few years, so I finally asked who this guy was...to my amazement I found out I have 'known him' for
years: the tiny, bald headed, bubbly, friendly guy who was always biking around town. This guy was a threat to two of our
summer cops? It always smelled fishy to me...now it's even worse. A resident changes his story on the stand and is allowed
to do so? Even the Banner reported this. When does our town decide to stop fighting, that they may have done something wrong
that night to a 40 something professional with no criminal past at an AA backyard party? Is it when we have wasted ten times
the new salary of our Town Manager? When does this town wake up? I miss seeing Barry in town. I understand he and his partner
sold and moved to NH. There has always been more to this story, it seems. I am glad they are doing what they feel is right.
town ever do that?
11:10 pm edt
In pictures 5 and 6, who owns the mansions in the background. From the photos here they look pretty big.
If you look all over town, houses are close together. Look at all the side streets starting from the East
End to the West End or the West End to the East End all the houses are close together, no different that what happens in developments
or at Bang's Street. Didn't someone within the past couple of years just build a new house nestled in between family
properties in this area? What's being built now is no different.
Re: "...as happy as the grass is green."
11:08 pm edt
A little nod to Dylan Thomas' "Fern Hill" there, buddy?
To Shout Out Spotlight!
11:05 pm edt
Have I missed reading something here. I know I haven't been keeping up lately but they keep mentioning Ms. Mencher
with Mr. Malone.
Also, the writings keep referring to Town officials. I thought this project had
to go before the different boards to get their approvals. If the boards approve something, how can town officials not
issue a permit?
Savings? Absolutely None For Closing on Fridays
11:03 pm edt
It was Sharon Lynn's attempt to give town employees a better working contract after the town voters denied by ballot
the giving of a 3% pay raise for town emplyees. So Lynn did it in other ways. She created a four day work week for THEM--not
for us. she then gave THEM a paid lunch break.
There were no savings for the four days work week-- just fewer
services and mroe inconveniences for town residents as town employees get Firdays off. It is the most inane working contract
but it did get Sharon her bonus salary: $145,000. Keep THEM happy. Give THEM paid lunces. Give THEM Fridays off.
And what do we get? Fewer services. Less time available. And no savings.
Let's Face it Folks
11:01 pm edt
The "anonymous" people on here trashing Balla, Carney and others who condemned the green line have to be the
3 or 4 members of the "Walk the Line" committee. I can't imagine the average Provincetown resident woke up
one morning to find that the Green Line was gone and was so upset about it they had to complain on this blog.
This project was clearly important to some people - but not to the greater community. It's over - you lost - move
on - and if you truly want to have the support of the community on your next venture, stop the childish attacks and invest
your time and effort into developing something better. In the spirit of anonymity, I remain ... anonymous!
10:59 pm edt
I do not understand that things voted on at town meeting can then be changed by our town boards? What is up with
the 1:45PM closing time at the bars?
My general question would be "Why do whe have these votes, that mean
This post isn't ment to say I disaprove or approve, just why go through all the hoopla to have what the
town boards want done anyways? Seems like a lot of waisted energy on everyones part.
There Are More Important Issues!
10:57 pm edt
I'm confused by all the hulla balu about the Green Line. Someone had an idea. Others didn't like it. It
had a fair shot, it didn't work. End of story. Stop the blame game. It makes all of you look really petty.
No harm was done. No neighborhoods were ruined. Get off people's backs. The Green line was nothing
compared to the crap that is happening in this town. Let's concentrate on issues that will affect the town from now
on like overdevelopment and water shortages, poor road conditions, affordable housing fiasco, greedy developers who need to
be stopped and how we are going to do it, unpapered labor, illegal rentals, mismanagement of just about every aspect of town
government, funds shortages, etc. The Green Line didn't work, it's over. Who cares who started a petition or who
cleaned the paintbrush that painted it. No need to throw blame over it. Instead, put the energy spent complaining
towards a new idea. Perhaps it will have a better result.
Bangs St. and Barbara Rushmoore
10:55 pm edt
By-law changes are NOT what is needed here. People who can read is what is needed. There is NO By-law
that allows this 4 = 2 construction. If you disagree, simple produce the By-Law. They are online. Post it
here. It shouldn't be hard to find. Town officials were NOT able to produce it at the "meeting". A bewildered
Russell Braun spit out a definition of the word structure. Are you kidding. This was approved based on a definition.
What are this guy's qualifications anyway. You can't legally permit a project based on a definition. Yet
he did. But that's the magic. It's not legal and it gets approved anyway. The by-law that DOES apply was
COMPLETELY IGNORED. What about that. Base it on a definition but ignore the bylaw that applies:
Two Buildings Per Lot More than one building may be erected or moved onto a single lot provided that they are not closer to
each other than nine (9) feet or twelve (12) feet if either exceeds two stories in height.
This is cut and dry.
Ask the homeowner who was denied a shed because it was less than 9 feet from his house. He could have connected it with
a deck just like Judy Mencher, but the town wouldn't let him. Guess his pockets weren't deep enough.
To: James Bala
10:52 pm edt
Mr Bala So nice of you to respond and call everyone else worms who have an opinion about you and Liz. Seems
you chose to partcipate in Chicken Little's the sky is falling camaign that allowed derogatory comments to be made about others
on facebook. Liz is nice, you say? Kind? Yet she allowed these comments to be psted and left them there. I
know facebook has a remove button. She allowed mean comments and now she has a few directed at her. Payback is
a . When you participate in a forum like that
you also become part of it. You were part of it whether you now think you are innocent or not. Like one poster
said. Let's see Carney do something now that she has destroyed any cooperqtive effort that may have been going on. Obviously
by your abandonment of Liz, that means you will do nothing. What a suprise.
Extra Extra Read All About it...
1:19 pm edt
James Balla throws Liz Carney under the bus. I am innocent he claims. She did it. I just joined in.
She is good. She is nice. Give me a break
Bangs Street/Construction in General
1:17 pm edt
Perhaps the disgruntled individuals who seem to be complaining about Bangs Street and building in general yet
I don't hear of them doing anything about it, should contact Barbara Rushmore to help propose bylaw changes. She
seems to be the only one that is taking the bull by the horns and doing something about change, like she did with the Formula
Business Bylaw I recently voted for at town meeting.
You go Barbara!
Re: "Not Toilets...................................Signs Instead!"
1:15 pm edt
This is a great idea !! All the abutters should put up signs talking about what this development has done
to the neighborhood. Wonder what prospective buyers would think of this.
It's time for neighbors and abutters
of "loophole" developments to take back their neighborhood and let developers know that there will be consequences
for their actions. If abutters start putting signs out making it less attractive for buyers to buy these condos then developers
will be more apt to toe the line.
1:12 pm edt
The green line is history; a mark in the street as superficial as dust compared to the scars in the earth of Bangs
street. The oil befouling the shores of Louisiana makes the stoutest hearts shudder and will irrevocably alter life there
How will Provincetown eveolve? Will it truly shut down in the winter? Will fast ferries evolve that
will make it a bedroom community of Boston?
At the airport, there are daily commuters to and from Boston. Instead
of driving to work every day, they fly to and fro.
I have a friend who just moved here in March. He is so busy:
he lost almost 25 lbs going to the gym and changing his diet; he is engaged in life here in the winter. Life is what one makes
of it. Lets conenctrate on what is truly crucial to our lives.
How nice that we have the luxury to get all worked
up over a green line while people in Hati have lost their world and Memphis was flooded. Boston loses clean water and there
is frenzied panic because people don't want to boil their water. Fights break out etc. at BJ's over bottled water: what will
happen with a true catastrophy occurs?
Another day greeting the sun and the sea and walking the shore lost in
the glory of the day as happy as the grass is green.
What Town Savings?
1:08 pm edt
I am wondering what the savings were for closing town hall on Fridays... Follow-up?
Dear Clair Carney Griffen
1:05 pm edt
Your sister effectively rallied the troops to destroy one groups promotional efforts. You claim she was denied the opportunity
to participate in the process despite "repeatedly" offering.
Well Liz, now is your time to shine, step
right up! If you really want to be involved in marketing the town as an arts destination, there don't appear to be any other
hats in the ring, the floor is all yours. So, what do ya got? What are your ideas? We'd all love to hear them.
of course, you really WERE just trying put an end to someone else's hard work and never really intended to actually take up
The Missing Piece in Sharon Lynn's Salary of $145,000
1:03 pm edt
She can't do her job without David Gardner as Assitant Town Manager--or really, secret Town Manager. He gives
the advice. He knows what is going on. So Sharon Lynn's salary is not only her new and improved $145,000 but also included
should be David Gardner's salary of perhaps $65,000 or what exactly he is making. The town is actually paying Sharon Lynn
over $200,000 for her to look up, say little, and nod at most occasions.
Such a deal! She can't make decisions.
She can't speak eloquently but here we are giving this woman from West Goshen over $200,000. for what? I'd take David Garnder
at his salary and send the little woman back to West Goshen and put the extra $145,000 in the town coffers. We could get recycling
bins. We could plant three hundred trees. We could clean up our beaches. And maybe, we could clean up town politics.
From: James Balla
1:00 pm edt
Against my better judgement I am going to write something here. I was told that my name has been brought
up numerous times by anonymous people, so I checked it out. This will be my first and last entry here. I hope you all can
read and understand that. First and last. First and last.
Where to begin? I am so opposed to the concept of an anonymous
forum like this. Why would anyone not have the decency or conviction to put their name on something that they feel strongly
about? For the record, I have written to the Banner (signed with my name), and on Facebook (with my name and face, of course)(which
I only finally joined several weeks ago to contribute to the Facebook page about the green line). Thats right ... I joined
once the page was already on.
To enlighten you all who have ranted about my making up that page and the petition- youre
wrong. Misinformed. It isnt mine. I didnt start it. I guess I should thank you for the credit, though it isnt deserved.
Neither one of them were my creations. I supported both after the fact, since I am concerned about the direction our town
is headed. So, so much for your facts and opinions about THAT. I addressed the Selectmen at their meeting on May 10, as did
many other long time Provincetown residents and gallery owners. I spoke from my heart and from the 25 years that I have
lived in town, and the 23 years that we have had a gallery in the East End of town. We were talking about the actual green
line that was put on the street... The originators of this had other parts to their plan, and thats fine. This was about the
green line only, and the intrusion into our historic gallery district and the potential safety hazard that it presented. I
was certainly not alone in my feelings about it. And so, it is gone. There is no reason that the people who tried to
do all these things should feel badly. So what that one aspect of all the things they wanted to do was repealed? That happens.
Im sure they themselves did not realize what the reality of that line on the street would be. I thought, as did most everyone
else at that meeting, that that would be the end of it, and we would all go about our lives as usual. Apparently, some of
you cant let that happen.
For all of you who have mentioned me in your entries: Do you know me? I doubt
it. I know that none of my friends or even more casual acquaintances would be so cowardly as to not even sign their names
to their thoughts. I am here to speak for myself only. I am not going to speak for Liz Carney, who by the way, I only met
and got to know a little since this all took place. I am very glad that I did get to know her a bit. She is a
considerate, kind, thoughtful, quiet woman who is so far removed from the trash that some of you have put forth on here. You
should all be ashamed. Anonymous worms crawling under the ground complaining about someone who was sincere and honest and
stood plainly in the light. One thing I will say though is this: I know that Liz did this out of deep concern for the town.
She lives in an area that was imposed upon by the line. She went out of her way to present something in the way of a
petition that was NOT personal in any way, but merely addressed the concerns that many had. She had a genuine concern for
all that I do not see reflected here in this forum. Someone in an anonymous posting asked where is Balla now?? Well,
I am here, as I have always been for the past 25 years. Working, living, minding my own business. Where, may I ask are YOU??
I would like to know. I would really like all of you who have written something about me in this forum to come back and tell
us all who you are and where you live yearround. This is the only way in which any of your postings would have validity. And,
I would like to know where you got the information that you have twisted so strangely. Do you have the for it? (Yes, ladies, that means you too).
I have been living here for
25 years yearround. I do not need anyone to malign me or trashmouth me in an anonymous forum. If you feel free to name me,
who you probably dont know at all, but not yourself, then I feel sorry for you. Do not attack me. Do not interfere with
me or my business. Do not think that you know me. If you are unable to come forth and declare who you are, then you are to
be pitied. Look - this is, as I said, my first and last time here. I dont consider anyone of you worthy of any respect unless
you come forward with your name and address and speak the truth. If you dont, then fine. I wont be surprised. But I
also wont care what you write or cry about. Grow up. There s a whole big world out there. Maybe you should go off-line for
awhile and take a look.
I hate that I have had to even get on here to address this. But it is long past time to put
this to rest. Get a life. Move on. Stop being so petulant and pathetic. Its over. I live in a beautiful town, and I will work
hard to insure that it stays that way. Maybe you should too.
12:51 pm edt
375 signers? Try getting rid of the ones who do not live here. Then how many do you have left. The
Electronic Petition would not stand up in any court oin the land. people can sign it over and over. Just like they did
on the Banner poll. Hey...wasn't that 70% for and 30%against. Oh that doesn't count because it was fixed. And
so was the other. I find it interesting the aguments that people use to make things work their way. I am with
the group that says now what are all the destroyers going to do to make things better. Maybe Liz Carney should get something
going with James Balla so they don't look like the angry people that I see. Waiting
Bang Street Boycott - Toilets
12:50 pm edt
Now that's a brain-er! Kudos to the one that thought that up. Why in the world would someone want
to put a toilet(s) in their front yard and ruin the beauty of their own properties just for one property on Bang's Street,
which by the way, from what I see in the pictures is still under construction and could end up with beautiful landscape upon
completion. The last laugh could be on you because you spent the money to buy the toilets for your yards, then you have
to pay to get rid of them, of course unless you decide to turn them into flower pots.
Signed The Porcelain Garden
To: Paul Soares
12:48 pm edt
As usual you are uninformed. What is worse, you post it. I too watched the BOS meeting. What I saw
was a bunch of people with arms swinging making jokes and attacking. My homework says it was the BOS that brought the
line into Town and David Bedard personally insisting the group paint pictures on it. Exactly what did you see? Try watching
the meeting if you want to get sick. This is what Liz and James caused. Know your facts and get off the line and
into the real issue of the angry sick people who ran this anti line bs and how they hurt others. Sorry that things get done
when you are out of town. What a feeble excuse. Everyone please write to the BOS and tell them not to make any
decisions if everyone isn't in town.
27-31 Bangs Street
12:46 pm edt
Webmaster please educe the size of the Bangs St pictures. (Hint: email the jpegs to yourself and hit make all my pictures
Now that the newer pictures are added as construction proceeds and he cedar shakes have been added I
think the project is looking rather cute.
If you have ever seen new construction this seems to be done right.
They nestled the foundations into the dune without breakout.-sand collapse. There is a limit of work clearly marked. It appears
that replanting has commenced even as construction continues.
There is a site plan on file at the trailers, back
door, if you want to see the off street parking plan.
The project has been developed in compliance with our back
breaking zoning by laws, and our local comprehensive plan that both encourage this density of development, mirroring the existing
I don't work for the developer, don't like Pat Schulz, don't work for the Town, etc.
12:41 pm edt
Looks like Liz brought out the know it alls. Claire, it is noble to defend your sister, even when she is wrong.
No one find faults with that. The rest of these people continue to spew lies and misinformation. If what
you said is true, that Liz tried to join the group, it only goes to show that she IS a spoiled brat that will attack anyone
anyway when she doesn't get her way. The campaign that was led by Balla and Liz Carney was vicious at its core. Not
one of them realized there were people on the other side. The just got into a mob mentality and fed off of each other
with Liz being the major player in all of it. I looked at the facebook page where people just heckled and made horrible
remarks. I look at the people posting here and they still make horrible remarks . This is what James and Liz caused.
Proud of her, Claire? Personally, I don't give a rat's behind about the green line. I do care about people who
are attacked by others.
12:39 pm edt
She is everything we could want in a town manager, Couture said last week. She has restored public trust in town
How out of touch is Couture?
Deaf Eyes Critic
12:37 pm edt
Are you uneducated too or do you just not have spellcheck?
Sorry, being sacastic.
To Shout Out Spotlight
12:35 pm edt
That's the ruse. Bangs St. is NOT legal. Permits are NOT legal. Read your by-laws. Read your
State Regulations and Building Codes. This is a black eye on developers AND, as key, town officials.
far as the painting goes. Ted Malone and Judy Mencher about to mount white stallions while rainbows of gold bathe and
bend all around them (rainbows are symbolic of town officials). A gold toilet with a little tiny image of Provincetown
in the water is about to be flushed. Ms. Mencher's foot (she's afraid of germs) is on the handle. The toilet sits
in the forefront stuck into a mini-dune (sorry, what used to be a dune). Ted Malone is counting gold coins which spill from
his pockets. He and she are both laughing.
In the BANNER 2:00 am Closeing
12:21 pm edt
What is up with the licensing board....One has to ask why does the board chair have such a on for the extension of liquor sales in town ? Do you really think it's to
help the dozen bars in town? I doubt it...do he and his lover have a steak in a bar in town ? I doubt it...So why are they
so intent on circumventing the peoples vote on this article ?...to go against the vote of the board of selectmen is one thing
but to go against the people well that's a whole other animal..So why ? Why do you want this so bad
THE BEST PART.
In the banner under classifieds under section c about the announcement of the meeting it says.....................
At the final meeting in November licences do not need attend unless requested by the board
So now he has the audacity
to say who can and can not attend a PUBLIC meeting
Somrthing is very wrong here
27-31 Bangs Street
12:14 pm edt
A meeting between town counsel and the developer of Bangs St. Ext. legal counsel about the fiasco supposedly took place
earlier this week. Now why would these two be bothering to take time at $350.00 an hour to meet do ya think? Strategizing
so their stories jive or exchanging recipes?
27-31 Bangs Street
12:12 pm edt
Any person who is sick and tired of what has been happening in this town needs to show it now. Bangs St. Ext.
has exposed the blatant favoritism town hall shows toward its money grubbing developer buddies. Emails, personal visits
and phone calls should be swamping Pat Shultz Realty. Signs should be going up. Word of mouth should be spreading.
A united effort against this development will be effective. Someone has to put a stop to this. The developers
never will. Town hall never will. It is up to the townspeople who really care to do it themselves and send a strong message.
Town hall doesn't want to listen and play by the rules when honest people question abuse of the town and look for explanations
and answers. They put on a side show to shut up abutters. It's legal. Done deal. Sue if you don't like it.
We need to give ourselves the answers then. Enough. No more. You are done. It is over are the
answers. Go flush your heated gold toilet in Boston and build somewhere else. Leave us alone. and then we
look at town officials a little more closely to see just why they allow this to go on for the chosen few.
To: Person with question for Deaf Eyes
12:08 pm edt
Since you were apparently the only educated person at the meeting, what do you think oh smart one? The
only possible way you could defend the town officials at this joke of a meeting would be if you were seated behind the table.
That would explain the different view of the show of ignorance exhibited by town officials and their really smart "legal
counsel" with her "myriad" of really smart answers that made no sense. Shameful. We were all there. We
all saw first hand how these officials operated with this developer and bent over backwards for her disgusting project. Toxic
development describes it perfectly. Remember, it's not over until the lady fat sings. (that's sarcasm so you don't have
to blog to ask if it is or not)
Thursday, May 20, 2010
1:21 pm edt
There is a true disconnect going on in town if developers keep getting the green light to build in such density
from the powers that be while the residents are up in arms with this overdevelopment. People are inflamed over this over development
and taxing our water system when we already can't wash our cars or use a sprinkler.
We understand about needing
growth; but is this your solution? Bangs Street Extension? Shoe horning units into small squares of lands with no room for
anyone to turn around?
The real estate agent is going to have to be very judicious when they take any interested
buyer onto this property and make sure none of the neighbors are home because they will be stepping into a hornets nest of
neighborhood resentment and any potential buyer will high tail it out of there once they understand how these four buildings
were jammed down people's throats.
Not Toilets--Signs Instead!
1:17 pm edt
You don't need to put a toilet in your front yard, just a sign. Who would want to move into a house that ruined
1:16 pm edt
Turning off Bradford Street onto Bangs Street a month from now; what will we see? Will there be a gauntlet of
Posters on sticks in people's yards saying Shame on the Overdevelopment? Placards stating Shame for destroying a neighborhood?
And Shame for destrying Nature?
A phalanx of shame posters would be in order that just state the truth. No name
calling; nothing inflamatory--just the unvarnished truth.
Who would want to buy and then live in one of these
buildings knowing that they have destroyed a neighborhood? Lets christen this Toxic Development. And, be prepared: it is spreading.
90 Shankpainter Rd. and the Race Point Road project await.
1:14 pm edt
Apparently some people dont know sarcasm when they read it Im aware there were more than four people in support
of the green line there were at least six. Regardless of the exact numbers, the number of people who spoke up against
the line at the BOS meeting was overwhelming compared to the number of people who spoke in favor of it.
as me being self-righteous if you call being against a group (no matter how big or small) from taking over public space
for advertising then I guess that makes me self-righteous. I am a resident - I did not enjoy looking down the street
where I live to see a HIDEOUS green line painted down the middle of the street. It was a danger from kids skateboarding
down the middle of the road to drivers trying to stay to the right. If businesses choose to advertise, put up signs,
advertise in national magazines, display rack cards, etc., that is their prerogative as business owners. This hard work
is what they choose to do as business owners and the residents owe nothing to them for their hard work to promote their businesses.
You claim this was done to benefit the town, but call a spade a spade it was designed to help the businesses and
it did so at the expense of the residents. You claim that Liz Carney destroyed peoples incentive to get involved involved
in what? Private advertising for private businesses on public ways this is simply personal gain. I did see the
BOS meetings where it was obvious Ms. Baltivak did not inform the BOS about the scope of this line or the artwork that was
going to accompany it. If these gallery owners did their due diligence they would have had a completed mock visual representation
of what the completed line was going to look like at the first BOS meeting and similar to abutter notices the public
would have been informed so they could have a say on this. This cannot be done in February when the bulk of the population
The bottom line is that this matter over. If the gallery owners want to try again, they need
to come up with a better plan that doesnt offend the majority of the residents.
Mayflower Compact Painting in Town Hall
1:11 pm edt
No wonder they took it down - "Government by the people"
has become -
for the Developers"
Wonder what that painting will look like ? I hear that it is being hung next week
where the old painting was.
Voices of the Few
1:10 pm edt
Someone asked "why should the town respond to the wishes of one or two businesses? Apparently the town does.
For example, why would the Licensing Board hold a public hearing on extending the hours of bars from 1AM until 2AM right
after Town Meeting voted it down? What is going on here?
"Shout Out!" Spotlight
1:08 pm edt
How I wish that "Shout Out" was here when Mr. Keith Bergman was here. Look how "Shout Out" has revealed
the egregious crime against Bang Street for everyone to see.
Things aren't swept under the rug so easily now.
Bangs Street is notorious now for its "two for one" construction. All legal but a black eye against developers who
prey on Provincetown never the less.
Now we await the low-income housing developments that were supposed to be
for families--and now they are going to be one bedroom units. If we are hit with the rain that hit Rhode Island, the basin
at 90 Shank Painter Rd will be a swimming pool.
The dune at Bangs Street with the house built into it will dissolve
and spill down the street like sugar. I remember when Tom McKenna was forced to move a shed because it was too close to some
imaginary line; yet this house is built right smack into the middle of a dune, how do you explain that?
me, people have sunk their teeth into exposing everything wrong with this housing development like a pit bull clenching a
stuff toy in its teeth. This developers crime against Provincetown will be exposed here as long as "Shout Out" exists.
Doing what is legal doesn't mean that it was the right thing to do to this neighborhood. You shall reap what you
have sown, ye over-building-developers of Provincetown. What a legacy; it is one of true enmity that you and your greed has
INTEGRITY has a name... WHAT'S YOURS?
1:06 pm edt
I've followed this discussion for the last couple of weeks. Unfortunately I am not in PTOWN as often as
I'd like to be, but my family has a strong history and connection to the arts community is the East End and I get down whenever
I get a chance with my daughters. Like my mother and my sister, I am an artist and member of the Provincetown Art Association
and hold PTOWN as a special place with light that is like no where else in the world.
I also have a connection
to Liz Carney. She is my sister. That said, I would like to suggest that all the folks who seem compelled to personally
attack Liz start signing your names. It's so much easier to insult and humiliate when you do it anonymously. Do you
have the integrity to stand behind the words you've written?
I also want to point out that I read the petition
drafted by Liz and signed it along with another 375 PTOWN lovers. I say 375 because it's been so eloquently pointed
out that there were fake signatures and foolish names added, so I've subtracted @ 20 from my total. Nowhere in that
petition did my sister insult or defame any of the 3 gallery owners in the collaborative. Find me one published insult, please.
And may I point out that Liz also asked repeatedly if she could become a part of the process. She was rebuffed,
suggesting that she would not be interested in flyers, ads and signage.
And although the collaborative had the
best intentions, it didn't work. It wouldn't work. It wasn't too reminiscent of other "lines" such as
Boston's MBTA, Fidelity's TV ad, and the movie, "Walk the Line". It wasn't fully thought out, and it's too
bad that there was no attempt to notify all the east end residents who abut the line. That's normal protocol in a small
town. Like it or not, everyone who lives along that line has a right to question it's presence.
when folks use Liz as a scapegoat and say things like she "destroyed" PTOWN, or she should get a life, or she is
a "self indulgent prima donna", they are obviously also insulting the other 374 legitimate signers of the petition
to remove the "Green Line". So I personally take offense.
My name is Claire Carney Griffin
Please tell me,
Where's your proof? Where's your integrity? What's your name?
Re: Bangs Street Abutters Meeting
12:50 pm edt
Deaf eyes? I've heard of blind eyes and deaf ears, but not deaf eyes. Is this sacastic reference to both or are
you as uneducated as everyone else criticizing the meeting.
12:48 pm edt
What's all this noise about some stupid green line leading idiots to a few sleazy, nickle and dime, galleries promoting
disgustingly obnoxious art disguised by the exorbitance prices? Yeah they're going to buy that excrement. If we want the straight
tourists to see the real Provincetown, as depicted in the last several months of Banner editions, paint the green line to
the High School, the sewer system, the pier and harbormasters boat, George Bryant's bedside, the Truro water supply, Bangs
St Extension, Grassy's boatyard, the Fire/Police Station, Commercial St. potholes, derelict vessel's junkies, the Townhall
lawn, the approved/disapproved historic district wind turbine, and whatever silly idea comes into the moronic town mentality
at any given moment. Seems as if an issue is raised to divert attention from the previous issue. Finger's into everything,
solutions and completion of nothing.
12:46 pm edt
Pictures lie. This developer's 4 houses got legitimate approval from the powers that be so stop your bellyaching.
Local and State regs. are ignored and the project was presented with lies. So what? The sky is the limit.
Once the summer hits and a pool of septic forms in the wetland, Judy Mencher can have her people give a call to Sharon
Lynn's people just to let town officials know when they'll need the police escort for trucking in the giant slide Judy can
set up from the "crest of the dune" down into the wetland. And also a check from the taxpayers to pay for
it. What a goldmine. And to think Lester Murphy claimed this wetland had no value.
All abutters must
post multiple signs boycotting the sale of these townhouse units. Large arrows pointing to the "TRAILER PARK"
for sale for example. Ptown is an art colony so let's get creative people and sooner rather than later.
Bangs Street Abutters Meeting
12:44 pm edt
Town Counsel, John W. Giorgio, Kopelman and Paige, represents dozens of municipalities in Massachusetts and other states.
Their list of associates is fairly long. It is beyond comprehension that the counsel who attended the meeting was a partner,
in fact, she must have been very low on the associates list. For Provincetown they scrape the bottom of the barrel. Obviously
her marching orders were to soothe the ruffled feathers by any means possible, outside of telling the truth and legally advising
town residents. (In other words protect the town officials.) She had the direct opposite effect. By dodging the questions,
changing the subject, presenting false "opinions", ignoring the raised hands (mostly Town Manager's fault), lack
of knowledge of by-laws, etc. She presented herself as a cheap substitute for a pitiful attorney. The meeting was a joke.
Substantial questions were asked, none were answered. What is the purpose of the town counsel. Taxpayers are footing the bill.
Does Town Counsel represent the taxpayers or protect the blunderings and illegal activities of the town officials. We all
know the answer. Shouldn't the Town Counsel have advised the taxpayers that any issues with the construction could have been
appealed with-in a certain time. She inferred litigation was the only option. Don't we pay Town Council for legal advice?
She told us that the time limit for appeals had expired and we did not have a leg to stand on. Nice to know after the fact
and nice to know that we are paying for this arrogant advise.
Hey What's Your Name????
12:42 pm edt
What's YUR name???
The Left Rudder
12:40 pm edt
You must be very naive. How many people have to tell you that the developers own the town officials and that the
laws don't matter because you have a whole town government protecting the developers interests and doing their bidding. You
cannot do anything about it so just get off your high horse and leave it alone. It's obviously none of your business.
Liz Stepped Forward
12:39 pm edt
I am always amazed at the vitriol that people spew when they are anonymous. If you are going to speak critically you
should say who you are. Liz stepped forward to say what she thought should be said and, clearly, there were 319 other people
who agreed and signed their names. This is how democracy works.
James Ryan, Boston
12:37 pm edt
I went back and read the posts about the green line. I didn't see anyone complaining about its removal. What
I see is people upset over how it was done, which just looking in the papers was vile.Now people are being held accountable
for their cruelty and lack of initiative to get anything positive together. I think the word is muckraking.Anyhow I
am a first poster so don't confuse me with the others. If Liz and James B. don't like the problem they have made for
themselves and others are saying foul, too bad.
There is a Cyclone Raging?
12:35 pm edt
Truth and honor?? Who decides the "truth"? Our own Banner?? What a travesty and miscarriage of justice that
is! ANYONE can make an allegation, ANYONE. Sadly, some allegations can be pointed at prominent local people that will suffer
irreparable damage from those very allegations.
The best part is that when the dust settles, we read about the
"results" on page 7 or 8 of our "local" paper! Truth and honor? Ya, right!!
Where's Your Name?
12:32 pm edt
Ask others to sign theirs? But where's yours. And sprouting off like there is only one person who didn't like
the way you, yes you, treated others and your nasty rhetoric about failing businesses because why else would people get together
if not for selfish reasons.. Take Liz with you. Oh that's right. You did. There is nothing wrong with the same
facts being said over and over. That's why they are facts. There is something wrong with you.
Wednesday, May 19, 2010
What's Your Name?
10:30 am edt
Why don't the FEW people who a complaining about the removal of the
"Green Line" come forward and state
their name or names. I get the impression
that most of these mean-spirited petty complaints are by one individual. They
all seem to have the same talking points. The bottom line is that the majority
of the art community and lets not
forget the selectman in Provincetown expressed
their voice. 1 or 2 businesses in town should and can not dictate or
demands to other businesses or individuals. You really shouldn't depend on
others to help out your failing
business. Its time to move on and take care of
Bangs Street Extension
10:27 am edt
I was just looking at the photographs on this web site and wondered how the
owner was able to place a septic system
in a roadway? I thought there were state
and local setbacks for septic systems and that the system had to be on the
property serviced. Also, is there not a state law that does not allow a road to
be used for anything else but
a road, with the exception of public utilities
granted approval for placement by local governing bodies?
Stop & Shop
10:26 am edt
I am so impressed with the continued improvements that are happening
at our Stop and Shop. It is a pleasure to
shop in the store and now the outside
is being cleaned up. Thank you S&S.
Bangs St - Boycott - Toilets
10:24 am edt
You don't want those units sold ?
Here's the solution - each abutter should go to Home Depot and buy several
the cheapest toilets they can and then place them on their front lawns for every
prospective buyer that comes
down that road to to see !!!!
I wonder how that would impact the "curb appeal" of this development and
prospects of being sold.
Obviously we do not get any help from our town officials - but they can't tell
us what we can do on our own private property.
What a shame that it has come to place where an idea like
this would need to be
Bangs Street Abutters Meeting
10:22 am edt
Sharon Lynn and all of her cronies, Selectmen included, have all be
emailed repeatedly about blatant violations
of by-laws, policies, building
regs., etc. on the Bangs St. Ext. mess to no avail. Only when the threat of
outside investigation reared it's ugly head, did they respond. Their "meeting"
looked good on paper.
A display of real caring but the sole purpose was so they
claim the situation was addressed to a 3rd party, to cover
their xxxxx. Typical
sham. No questions answered but many dodged with nonsensical legal mumbo jumbo.
Your beloved Town Manager shut the door on people whose hands were still up. A
link between this "town
counsel" and this developer would not be surprising.
Email to your heart's content, but don't expect a response.
Deaf eyes are at
the other end. The rear ends occupying the thrones in this town have become way
and comfortable. I think it is time for them to get up and take a
10:20 am edt
Cynthia's car makes Commercial St. far more dangerous than any green
line ever could. And if by "artistic
integrity" you mean selling cheap souvenir
posters of second rate Edward Hopper knock-offs like John, then yeah,
integrity is still intact.
10:16 am edt
Anyone can say anything, but when it is egregious it is challenged and then
there is intense step by step Police
interrogation before legal action is taken
and names are mentioned in a story printed in the newspapers.
families, the church, the school, organizations: there are
repercussions and reputations and truth and honor at stake.
There is a cyclone
raging but it is hidden behind some walls. It is good that nothing pro or con is
here--yet it can't be totally ignored. And at least this much may
To: Paul Soares
10:12 am edt
Your statics are as good as Liz Carneys. Only 4 people were in
support of the green line? Sure. I believe
that. You are as misinformed as Liz
and seem just as self-righteous. Your comments will not make right Liz
Balla's nasty campaign against good people. You haven't a clue. I guess the
signs for the West
End of town was to help them? The words dining galleries,
shops,etc must have been a ploy so that they would just look
like they were
helping everyone? Oh, what about the full page ad in the national arts
magazine? Rack cards?
and other stuff they did. I do my homework, mr Soares. Do
you? Tell me what good Liz and Balla did. Get
a line off the street? or Destroy
people's incentives to get involved? She hurt this town and the arts community
and other businesses. The best she could do for the good of all, was to undo
other's hard work and then wait
for applause. Clap Clap
10:10 am edt
For those who would like to express their distaste with this insult, the email
address for Pat Shultz Realty
Don't be shy now. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
10:08 am edt
Yesterday it was Josh's Auto repair across from Michael Shay's that was robbed.
What about bullets being shot
through the windows of businesses last week--is
that just a rumor? Someone stole a car and over a thousand dollars from
but was captured on Bradford street.
10:06 am edt
You are so wrong about Liz Carney. Green line out of the
picture, she headed a campaign targeted at individuals,
similar to the tone of
your letter. You really did not listen to an entire picture that was being
I did. She thinks she is speaking for everyone but I assure you she
is not. I guess you know her and are now coming
to her defense. She has none.
She pitted friend against friend and fragmented the art community further.
looking at a line. Look at the rest of what she did. It was the doing of a
self-indulgent prima donna.
It was vicious at its core and if she has to take
heat for it. Too bad.
Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Re: Liz Carney and Green Line
11:23 pm edt
Liz Carney did do something that actually helped this town - she was
instrumental in getting that dangerous eyesore
off Commercial Street. She
helped in stopping a "group of three" from commandeering a public way for
personal use. She helped Provincetown artists maintain their integrity as
artists by not being a party
to an abrasive marketing ploy under the guise of
"helping Provincetown." Even if there were only eight
legitimate names on the
petition against the green line, that's more than double the people who were in
of this project. I applaud Liz Carney for undoing an initiative that
made Commercial Street even more dangerous
- this was an accident waiting to
happen. Thank you Liz and the many others who stopped this disgraceful
scheme that was unbecoming of the quaint and quiet East End.
Get the Message Out!
11:20 pm edt
If Pat Shultz Realty is the seller of the Bangs St fiasco, then we
should all let any agent from this realty group
know how we feel. Let's boycott
Pat Shultz Realty, the only thing these greedy bastards understand is money in
pockets. If the realtor loses money and the developer loses money because
no one will buy their building then we will
be sending a message loud and clear.
Send them letters, call their offices, dont be quiet. Get the message out loud
Banner and Great Reporting
11:18 pm edt
I love how the Banner's reporter displays the English prowess of a fifth
of Truro Acting Police Chief John Lundborn suffered only minor
injuries last week after the car she was driving plunged
down the side of
Monument Hill, narrowing missing crashing into two houses."
How does a car accomplish
both narrowing and missing before crashing?
Pru.... please bone up on adverbs, adjectives and verbs... English
Here is Sharon Lynn's E-mail Address:
11:16 pm edt
Blame and Finger Pointing
11:13 pm edt
I think the town is not on this "radar" screen because those who have
galleries don't see much further
than beyond their front stoop. It is a wide
world out there with much competition. In the age of the world
marketing is key and it doesn't happen here. If "artists" and gallery owners
a minute part of their talent and "imagination" to focus it
towards enticing the general public, the art colony
of the past could thrive
once more. A little hard work is all it would take but honest hard work seems
be a rare comodity these days. Blame and finger pointing seems to be the top
55 West Vine & 27-31 Bangs
11:11 pm edt
Some have posted that people should be proactive when a development is
in the planning stage rather than complaining
after it is finished or close to
finished. So much talk about Bangs St., but why is there no out cry about 55
Vine St. before it is started. 14 to 21 units jammed into less than an acre
is cause for proactivity as is the water
issue. signed, I Care
8:10 pm edt
Why should I have to hire an attorney to have simple town by-laws and
regulations implemented? Isn't that
what town officials are paid for? When I
say "paid" I don't mean by developers. But by taxpayers.
Top 25 Arts Destinations
8:09 pm edt
Although I understand the poster's point about Provincetown not being an art
colony (times do change) we are,
in my opinion, still an arts destination.
Atleast compared to the competition. If Northampton, Brattleboro, and
(and don't forget Berkeley Springs, WV) can make the list then Provincetown
should too. That
seems to be the real point.
The folks who have their eye on promoting town dropped the ball on this one.
they had publicized there was a competition (which was done for historic
preservation, don't forget) then I'm
sure town would be in the top 25. So, why
didn't that happen? and why didn't the people who actually read
magazine vote for Provincetown? Those are the questions that need answers.
Whatever the reasons
are and I'd like to hear your opinion, the town is not on the
radar screen when it comes to this issue and that's
8:05 pm edt
There was a group that recognized P-town was not continuing efforts to
maintain itself as an art destination.
Let Liz Carney figure out what to do now
that she ruined that for the arts here. Maybe James will join in. LOL
8:03 pm edt
The DPW director has out of state plates? THen how does he get
Provincetown as an Arts Destination
4:29 pm edt
"Re: The top 25 had nothing to do with promotion. It had to do with
voting. Would you please explain
how one is separated from the other."
Promotion equals marketing, and voting equals a contest where voters are
required to vote for their favorite detination.
Promotion is generally paid for
advertising, and voting is free, but requires a cohesive grass roots community
amongst the arts community, which unfortunately doesn't exist in
Provincetown as an Arts Destination
4:26 pm edt
The towns/cities on the list are appropriate. Provincetown is no
longer considered an "artist colony".
Yes there are many fine artists and
galleries here but the word Provincetown is primarily connotated to "gay"
rather than "art" or "fishing village". I am not saying this nor is it meant to
anyone so don't start barking back that I am anti-gay. I am not. It's
just reality. Every town on the Cape
has really nice galleries. The other
towns are not on the list either. The concentration in Ptown is the
tourism/summer visitor gay community rather than the art community. Nothing
wrong with it, that's
just how it is. Times change, towns change. The
galleries are not the draw. They are a side treat
for visitors who come mostly
to enjoy other civil liberties denied in the maintstream. Provincetown is a gay
vacation spot that happens to have really nice natural beauty and some nice
galleries and restaurants. But,
it is by far not an "artist colony" anymore. Don't kidd yourselves. It doesn't belong on this list.
4:23 pm edt
If you don't understand the hdc function read the by law. They have no say over
a boat in a yard.
27-31 Bangs Street
4:20 pm edt
I agree. All abutters on Bangs St. Ext. should park their cars on
this road immediately and the sale of
these units boycotted with Pat Shultz
Realty who is listed on the For Sale sign. This was such a nice little
Close to the hustle and bustle of downtown yet far enough away to be quaint and
woman has single handedly ruined this little neighborhood with her
love and greed for money. It makes me ill that she
can get away with this with
the help of town officials. Sickening. If everyone using a bedroom has a car
and then friends visit there will be at least 10-12 more cars at this dead end.
There is not room for these
cars to park let alone turn around. How would a
Fire Truck fit? It won't. The people at #30 Bangs
St. should fence off their
area immediately even with clothesline and stakes. The man from there was 100 %
correct. The plans he saw were not the plans built from. Town officials said
they were but they weren't.
different plans. I saw them too.
Provincetown as an Arts Destination
2:24 pm edt
You're delusional if you think that promotion has nothing to do with
selling art. True there are mediocre artists
and some are here and everywhere.
The ones that are starving here like to harbor the illusion that no one
understands how great they are. This town also has some great artists. If the
word Provincetown and art is associated
as much as Provincetown and Gay, there
will be the promotion that is needed. What I am trying to say you can promote
anything on a business level. It's part of advertising.
Re: Liz Carney
2:20 pm edt
Liz Carney's non-participative self-absorbed vicious negativity did nothing but
hurt this town. Why doesn't
she channel her energies into doing something
constructive for the town instead of polarizing it? C'mon
Liz, put your money
where your mouth is and do something to help this town if you love it so much
instead of focusing
your efforts on un-doing the initiative of others.
Top 25 Art Destinations
2:18 pm edt
The top 25 had nothing to do with promotion. It had to do with voting.
Would you please explain how one
is separated from the other.
Kudos to Katherine and the Group
1:48 pm edt
That is one brave woman. She took a lot of bashing in the papers, on facebook,
and here and never showed any faltering
on the groups efforts to bring P-Town
into the future as an arts destination. Carney has done nothing but destroy.
looked at that so called petition on Balla's neon line facebook page. It was
double signed and signed
by people who are dead He let people bash Katherine and
her business. In my opinion, these are 2 people Provincetown
can do without.
"We did it" is their facebook quote. They certainly did.
Re: Bangs Street Extension
1:44 pm edt
It is highly illegal but try to do something about it. The developers have the
town officials in their back pockets,
what more do you need to know? Complaints
fall on deaf ears. Why? Are you willing to spend the money that the developer's
have lobbying the Town Officials? If not then whatever you say will be
considered whinning after the fact, not
properly following their processes, or
whatever lame excuse they can come up with.
The Top 25 Arts Destinations
1:42 pm edt
Youre delusional if you think our little town is an artistic destination of the
caliber of the cities /
towns on this list. The proof is not in how we are
promoted, it is the quality of the work that is produced.
Word of mouth is all
it takes to sell good works of art and that might explain why Provincetown has
so many starving
Thin Blue Line
1:41 pm edt
They should paint a thin blue line between two black lines and dedicate to the
men and women of law enforement.
Provincetown as an Arts Destination
1:40 pm edt
The "top 25" has nothing to do with promotion. It was done by voting.
I Don't Understand the Function of the Historical Commission
1:28 pm edt
I had to jump thru hoops to replace a window and yet the people at 524 Commercial Street can have a big boat in their
front yard, making the place look like some suburban place
instead of a historical district.
Point of Clarification
1:26 pm edt
The ongoing criminal case against a school committee member cannot be
discussed in this venue but there was no
similar ban on the conversations
regarding Kathy Morris or George Bryant.
Webmaster Comment: George Bryant was in violation of a standing Court
Order. The discussions on Shout Out! were about the handling of the process not about guilt or innocence. There were no contesting allegations
similar to the aforementioned case.
The Seaman's case was discussed specific to Kathy Morris, only after
the case went to trial and charges were leveled.
Re: DPW Director
1:07 pm edt
Why does the DPW Director's vehicle still sport Rhode Island plates?
Shouldn't he have to pay vehicle excise tax
to the town as a resident? With his
house nearly sold, will he buy or rent? Is it a step toward making his exit?
He'll not have much of a personal investment in the town once the house sells,
Bangs Street Extension
1:04 pm edt
If Bangs St. Ext is a private road, then all the abutters should park
their cars so that no developer or construction
vehicles can get into the
property. If they try to get onto the property I believe it is called
Re: Green Line
12:57 pm edt
From what I gather, besides the green line, there was a lot going on
with the group. They were working with
a lot of people. They seem to have
known that P-Town was not in a real strong position like your list shows. Looks
like James and Liz did a lot of harm with their bashing and petitions. They
ruined things for everyone.
I am not for or against the line. I did not go to
meetings when I was invited so I kept my mouth shut, unlike
those 2. I would be
afraid to join in now because I saw what their hatred did to others. They are
in my eyes for being narcisistic and liking the little power trip.
I hope they see green lines in their dreams.
12:55 pm edt
If you went to town meeting this past April, you would have known that
the library is using $200,000.00 to complete
the front landscaping with a mall
like plaza. Get ready for the "library food court" at the former art colony
known as Provincetown. $100,000.00 was a donation from a developer, the other
$100,000.00 comes from the TWO MILLION
that you the tax payer voted to pay for
at the ballot box on May 4th. To finish the renovations of the facade of the
building. I voted against it. The current steps and dying vegetation will be
Re: Provincetown as an Arts Destination
12:53 pm edt
Liz Carney is oh so proud of herself for starting an online petition (which all
of 300 people signed, half
of them non residents) but despite her apparent
belief that she is now some sort of folk hero, she has done NOTHING
for the town
and has succeeded only in derailing another groups efforts to increase tourism
and bring some deserved
recognition to our arts community.
Way to go Liz. So now what? Instead of posing for pictures in the local papers,
how about doing something to actually help our town.
Monday, May 17, 2010
27-31 Bangs Street
10:38 pm edt
Great job connecting the dots in the Bangs St./Town Boards/Town goverment debacle...but to what end?
I have no
doubt that the neighbor's have tried from day one to question/object to what was soon to arrive and swallow that quiet road.
I applaud them for the effort, but what happens now?
The current goverment is in the pocket of a few select developers
with the full support of citizen boards. That is the reality of life here. We should all remember that Ted Malone is still
hanging on to almost a million in Taxpayer (cpa) funds. That money continues to legitimise
Re: Where Have You Been!
10:36 pm edt
$200,000 to install steps and grass at the library? Where did that number come from? If that's what you think
it costs, you deserve exactly what you get, screwed.
Provincetown an Arts Destination
10:34 pm edt
The anti green line people should now pick up the reigns making Provincetown an arts destination which they insisted
it was already and didn't need any help. Oh but what about the little committee that took all the flack. was't that
one of the things they were trying to do? Where are Liz and James now. Oh, that's right . P-Town already is.
or is it? they killed the group who was trying to do exactly that. What a shame... on them.
Bangs Street Extension
10:32 pm edt
How can the town give Judy Mencher this road with a right of appropriation by eminent domain when the town doesn't own
it to do so. This is a private road. Always has been. Abutters have rights to use it, there is no eminent
domain. #30 Bangs St. definitely has a right to it. #25 and #25R definitely have rights to it. How can the
town take away these rights with no notice or mention of it to abutters. This seems highly illegal.
The Top 25 Arts Destinations-
10:31 pm edt
The top 25 for those of you who don't want to take the time to look it up:
1. Ashville, NC
Santa Fe, NM
3. Saugatuck, MI
4. Key West, FL
5. Sarasota, FL
6. Sedona, Ariz.
7. Taos, N.M.
8. Berkeley Springs, W.Va.
9. Boulder, Colo.
10. Eureka Springs, Ark.
11. Corning, N.Y.
13. Annapolis, Md.
14. Naples, Fla.
15. Burlington, Vt.
16. Carmel, Calif.
17. Chapel Hill, N.C.
18. Frederick, Md.
19. New Hope, Pa.
20. Laguna Beach, Calif.
21. Aspen, Colo.
22. Bradenton, Fla.
23. Cumberland, Md.
24. Brattleboro, Vt.
25. Beaufort, S.C.
wrong with this picture? Who is promoting Provincetown as an art destination? apparently NOBODY!
Library Director Resigns
10:29 pm edt
I question the hiring decision(s) when someone newly appointed leaves because they claim the winter is too harsh.
How much money was spent hiring the latest library director??
I wonder if there is more to this story?
Provincetown as an Arts Destination?
7:25 pm edt
So American Style Magazine lists the top 25 arts destinations in the country. They have three categories including one
for towns with less than 100,000 people (the smallest group). Guess who is NOT on the list? Provincetown did not make the
top 25. I wonder why?
So maybe (just maybe) instead of painting green lines gallery owners and VSB should
get together and figure this one out. It is a no brainer to have Provincetown on the list. It just needs some
When you look at the list you will be shocked who IS on there.
What is the Next Step?
7:23 pm edt
Does anyone know if the abutters to the Bangs St. Fiasco have filed a law suit? What about a stop work order until everything
is settled? People continue to post daily on this blog (which I think is a wonderful thing) but has anyone taken any legal
action against this developer. Sounds to me like many by laws were broken? Someone has alluded to a possible bribe of a public
official.. Is anyone going to do the research or contact a lawyer?
Inquiring Minds Want to Know
Bangs Street Extension No Longer Exist
7:21 pm edt
What was Bangs St. Ext. has been appropriated by Judy Mencher as additional parking. The town has given her the right
of appropriation by emminent domain, usually reserved for municipalities, but in this case the developers have the town officials
in their back pockets so whatever you care to call it the situation remains the same. The developers own the town. The only
solace we can take from this is that the land did not come cheap and our underpaid town officials did profit sufficiently
from our misfortune.
I'm sure that Ms. Mencher will be generous enough to share her property acquisition with her direct
abutter, Ted Malone, whenever he's ready to take his cut.
27-31 Bangs Street
3:38 pm edt
Looking at the pics. I'm seeing brown tanks, piles of sand, heavy construction equipment, etc. from this project smack
dab on Bangs St. Extension. This developer does not own this private road and should not be using it as if she does.
This road is not part of the project yet the boundary line for construction has taken over the road. You can see
the bulldozer shaved where this road should be. Is that how setbacks were determined? Where are the stakes marking
off this private dirt road abutters have rights to? This was a "requirement" and I don't see any stakes at
all. Who is inspecting this mess? Gunther Realty does not own Bangs St. Extension but it sure looks like it thinks
it does now. Is Bangs St. Extension going to become part of the parking area? It had better not as abutters have
deeded rights to it.
Where Have You Been!
3:33 pm edt
The library lawn is temporary until all of the building renovations are complete. The TOWN has voted TWO MILLION dollars
for this. And yes $200,000.00 IS for the front lawn to be renovated.
11:42 am edt
Just a technical note, when trying to access shoutout from an iPad or other device over a 3G network the picture
loading time and bandwidth makes the site unusable. Shrinking the photo size or resolution or better yet, as suggested previously,
posting either a thumbnail or one composite lower resolution photo would solve this.
Temporary, My A-S !!!!!
11:35 am edt
The Library lawn has been in a disgraceful state of disrepair for years. Temporary ? For how many more years?
The town is willing to pay 5 teachers for every student, but they wont buy a bag of grass seed? Oh, sorry, the town
officials are too busy accepting "Presents" from developers all over town. All I can say is Shame on you.
9:54 am edt
Someone entered a brief comment yesterday that sounded very accusational. Affordable housing. Everyone knows that Gunther
Realty is Judy Menchner, the Bangs St. developer. The inference is that Judy Menchner sold a condo to a town official for
less than market value and then paid $60,000 extra? This sale should be publically recorded somewhere and should be reviewed.
What was the $60,000 for and who was the town official? If true, this sounds like bribery of a town official and would be
the answer for most of the Bangs St. questions. It is obvious to everyone that some secret deals were made behind the scenes.
The Essence of 27-31 Bangs Street
9:53 am edt
Calls for discontinuing the documentation regarding the Bangs Street saga are nothing
a vailed attempt to put the lid on an issue that has all of the ingredients
of corruption , favoritism and collusion
and is in the process of boiling over.
Some people in town government are becoming quite disturbed that an investigation
reveal their direct involvement and profiting from the promotion of this project.
Bangs Street is the
poster-child that defines the method that developers working with town
officials planned to accelerate
development in Provincetown.
It's not about Bangs Street. It's about Provincetown's future and who and how
it will be controlled.
If they get away with Bangs Street, they can do it everywhere!
27-31 Bangs Street
9:36 am edt
People should be outraged at this. Town officials were 100% fully aware of serious flags and concerns raised by
abutters before and during this project's permitting process. Town legal counsel claims no one spoke up when they had
the chance and now a lawsuit must be filed for resolution because it is too late.
She is wrong. Abutters
did complain numerous times when it was the proper time to do so. They were the only ones who "went by the book"
on this one. Every town board involved was made aware of concerns: Health, Conservation, Planning, etc. at the appropriate
times during these meetings. Every one of these legitimate concerns/complaints was completely ignored. Lester Murphy
(Developer's legal counsel) publicly accused these abutters of "badgering" town officials with their concerns during
one of the meetings.
You won't find anything about his insults in the minutes though. Why is that?
And now you get 4 out-of-scale modular buildings presented as 2 on 1/4 acre. with 8 bedrooms and septic leaching down onto
a wetland, inadequate space, unlawful private road use, environmental damage, 2 complete buildings in a conservation buffer
zone where no construction is supposed to take place, bylaws ignored, bylaws fabricated, not even close to the required minimum
green space coverage, no public utility meeting, controlled construction and state building irregularities, etc., etc. To
present something one way and then build it another is an outrage. The proof is in the pudding.
publicly a falsehood "no building about the crest of the dune to preserve the natural visual integrity of the land"
is reprehensible. Take a look for yourself. The crest of the dune was clearcut and the building is at least one
story over the top. To state publicly in the Banner to mislead - 2 bldgs. are 1 because of a "continuous
foundation" is a falsehood. Check the plans, no continuous foundations at all. Your beloved town "officials"
have shown what they are made of on this one. Permits were handed out like beads at carnivale.
Our Building Inspector didn't even know the abutter at the top of the hill had his foundation damaged. There is only
one way this project being allowed would make sense and I think people can figure out what that is. That's the reality
of it. Not conjecture, not imagination. Reality. Lesser project denied before and then this gets through.
Come on. Truck them in under the cover of darkness.
I don't think these buildings are the
only thing hidden under this cover. and yes, I insinuate behind the scenes action. There has to be, nothing else
can explain it.
To: Beat the Project
9:29 am edt
By "beat the project" you suggest this is some type of game. This little dead end street has undeservedly
taken a massive hit due to nothing but someone's pathetic greed and you defend it. Probably even approved it at some
point during the "permitting process". You are partially correct about one thing though. It is more than frustrating
when people actually defend the nonsensical calling it "legal". Too little too late. I think not.
Stop Making Trouble!
9:26 am edt
How crazy is it that someone on this blog thinks that the library lawn was going to stay in its present condition. It
was only temporary, as are the steps until the major renovation on the building is complete. The conservation committee had
no say in this matter. Stop trying to make a problem where there is none.
Boards Are Effective
9:25 am edt
Fact is that when people in this town don't like something, we can go to a board or committee and complane and get it
changed. Look at the issue of the green line! We got that changed. The town bends over backwards to please. So stop writing
on this blog that something that you don't like must be illegal just because you didn't get what you wanted.
Re: To: NIMBY
7:32 am edt
Every issue you mentioned has a remedy. All allowances were asked for and approved by local boards. Nothing has
been done illegally. If it had, a stop work order would be in place and the remedy would be presented. Correct? Remember the
clearcutting on Route 6? Problem solved. How about the demolition of the old house (525 Commercial?)? Again, solved. Once
again, lazy neighbors didn't do anything at the right time and now they sit and complain AFTER the fact. Now the legal process
is much tougher. Everything was done legally and if you have questions, go striaght to the buiilding dept. or the committees
that approved this matter. You will find everything is legal and above boards. You just don't like the looks of it and are
frustrated that you can't beat the project. Too little, too late, too bad.
Sunday, May 16, 2010
Remove Bangs Pictures!!
11:48 pm edt
Same group complaining...we get it. Like all other complaints, where were you as abutters when you could have contested
& raised flags during approvals from boards by making statements at proper time??
11:47 pm edt
This is no longer a blog on all the issues facing this town, it is a pictoral on the webmaster's pet peeve.
11:46 pm edt
Now there's a conspiracy that the same person is posting over and over because of the time stamp on the postings.
Get over yourself. The posting times are obviously when the webmaster reads and posts them to the site which
is why they are all in a time sequence and then a huge gap in time.
And I agree, please move the pics or at the
very least minimize them.
11:45 pm edt
This makes me sick. Unlawful, deceiptful, underhanded. and she gets away with it along with her lawyer.
All 4 should be torn down and moved out immediately. With a police escort paid for by the developer, not tax payers
like when they were trucked in.
Re: Public Library Lawn
7:38 pm edt
The lawn was put in as a final product 4-5 years ago and has deteriorated to what you see today
from neglect. Had it been taken care of, there would be no need for replacement and thus a savings to the project and the
town. In the future, it would be highly recommended to NOT put any erosion mat on the ground. The seeds will germinate and
grow and take care of controling any wash of soils. Rely on people in the know who plant and take care of lawns, not someone
who thinks in theory like most on these committees.
7:37 pm edt
You find nothing legally wrong. So sorry for the imposition. Everyone else must be having "spells".
Read your bylaws and precedents. When I do I find everything legally wrong. No bylaw, in the buffer zone,
inadequate abutter notification, clear cutting of protected resources, complete demolishment of indigenous species, mispresentation
by legal counsel and engineers, conflicts of interest, precedent ignorance, abutter damage, inadequate inspection and
knowledge of and by town boards, and the list goes on and on. And it's not in my back yard for sure (NIMBFS)
Bangs Street Pictures
7:35 pm edt
If you're going to keep these pictures here (which we have all seen by now and scroll past), could you at least
make them thumbnails and link them all to another page where there can be larger images and maybe more derisive text on the
Move Bangs Street Photos
7:34 pm edt
Any chance the Bangs St. photos could be moved to another part of this website? Maybe the end of the blog? Or at least
resized to make them a bit smaller? They really are kind of annoying...
Such a Coincidence..........?
7:16 pm edt
It is too much of a "coincidence" that the 2 postings requesting Bangs St. picture removal were 2 minutes
apart. A blogger suggested the same person was blogging over and over again about housing issues. This same person
complaining may be the one requesting removal of pics over and over again. and 2 + 2 = 2, right. Who do you work
7:14 pm edt
I wonder how much profit was made when Willa Trust a.k.a. Gunther Reality sold a condiminium to a high P-town official.
Subtract the un-necessary $60,000 mortgage.
6:22 pm edt
Kerry Adams is an ongoing legal matter in a different realm. Enough said.
Bangs St. is a physical
abomination engineered by the greed of "strong" people allowed by "weak" people in town management. Sure,
out of sight, out of mind. Nice try. The "webmaster" may not be the only one offended by this. In
fact, anyone with the smallest amount of common sense living in Provincetown should be. You must be really busy, important,
whatever. Good job to a webmaster who actually sees what is happening to this town for what it is and isn't afraid to
let it be known. Personal interest or not, it doesn't matter. IT IS WRONG. Thank you webmaster.
6:20 pm edt
DO NOT take down the pictures of Bangs St. Add more if you can. Showing all FOUR in 1 shot. If it
takes a few extra seconds to download, a small price to pay for a horrible dishonor to this town and little neighborhood.
I have Comcast and it is instant. The barge took up space also, and no one complained. Perhaps one of the
developer's slavish followers is requesting the removal. What's your rush? Got a dune to clear cut or some lady
slippers to destroy?
Public Library Lawn
6:19 pm edt
The library lawn is only temporary. The conservation committee had no say in its creation. It was installed only to
keep the soil from blowing away onto the street. The new lawn will be built after renovations to the building are finished.
Affordable Family Housing
6:17 pm edt
I was a the meeting where the developers from Boston stated that there were going to be three bedroom and two bedroom
units and then the one bedroom units.
Now 90 Shank Painter Rd. is going to be 50 units and the majority of them
are one bedroom units. How many gay couples with their Chinese babies can live there, never mind how many families with mom,
dad, Little Johnny and sister Sue?
Boycotting Bangs St.
4:47 pm edt
Local craftsmen aren't being used. Too expensive. Locals won't be buying either don't worry. Boycotting
is an excellent idea. Spread the word. Abutters need to put up some signs. No parking or turning on their
property, especially that abutter right across the road with the condos. Where are all those cars there last summer
going to park now? plus add at least 8 more if any of these eyesores actually sell. Nice.
You Have Missed the Entire Point
4:44 pm edt
Yes, Provincetown has a beauty and its harbors and land is beautiful. It is exactly this treasure that need to be protected
and not trampled on with over-development, cheap housing, high density, destroyed wetlands, cut down dunes, and clear cutting
of native vegetation.
The town does not just have beauty. It is earned when the residents work together to
protect its greeness, protect its seas, and see that town regulations are enforced.
This is what is at stake with
poor rulings, boards out of control and absent regulators.
4:41 pm edt
This didn't fall through a by-law loophole. There is no by-law for this. They based this on a definition,
not a by-law. There is a by-law stating no less than 9 feet between buildings. They ignored the appropriate by-law.
No loophole. The developer knows people in town hall, plain and simple. Permits were given out when they
shouldn't have been. This is the only explanation that makes sense. Behind the scenes dealings.
Enough of the Bangs Street Photo's
4:40 pm edt
I can understand your feelings on not posting things about Kerry Adams but I don't feel we should be subject to looking
at the Bangs Street photo's either every day. It's obvious you are friends with Kerry and it's obvious you are the one who
has issues with the Bangs Street stuff because if it was anyone else, you would of removed those photo's long ago. It's aggravating
to have to scroll down 3/4 of the web page just to read about who's whinning now. Give us a break please.
27-31 Bangs Street Pictures
4:38 pm edt
Ok, we've all seen the pictures of Bang's Street. Mr. Webmaster, isn't it about time you took them down so we don't
have to scroll past them everytime we visit Shout Out? It's a bit of a pain.
4:37 pm edt
After looking at recent writings on this blog, its clear that Provincetown has a tea party and its not the kind that's
at the boatslip!
Why Did ConCon Get Involved in the Lawn of the Library?
10:53 am edt
Please don't tell me they decided this land was a "dune" and thus set up special criteria. If this is the
case, then why are real dunes not defined as "dunes" but as piles of dirt? Perhaps ConCon needs more scientific
training, deeper understanding of the environment. Or perhaps, they need new glasses to see what is actually in front of their
aging and distorted eyes. At best, they are inconsistent. At worse, they show utter favoritism to some parcels of land, freeing
some from tight regulations but demanding stringent adherence to others.
10:51 am edt
Now we have a situation where the waste water treatment plant in underfunded, $2,000,000 has been given to affordable
housing developers and the money is just sitting in accounts gaining interest.
If we had put this $2,000,000 towards
paying for the library and town hall, we tax payers wouldn't be faced with paying for these renovations out of our pocket
AND now paying to hook up to the waste water treatment plant.
The Powers that be rushed to give $3,000,000 to
these housing developers and we taxpaying residents get no consideration and just keep paying and paying.
9:21 am edt
"Re:Has anyone in this town taken a look around lately? We live in what is, in my opinion, one of the most
asthetically pleasing towns in the entire country. Quit all your complaing and just stop to feel the absolute beauty that
Provincetown is one of the most beautiful places in the country but that does not excuse what's going on. This town
has regulations to protect overdevelopment - what do you suggest ? That we turn a blind eye and let this loophole development
go on ?
Have you taken a walk down Bangs St lately ?
You Have to be Kidding
9:18 am edt
The same guy Philip who place an ad denoncing the green line after the meeting is now hiring art barkers? At least
the line just laid on the street and didn't make any noise or pass out stuff that people toss on the streets. What a
classy move. Maybe we should paint him a green line to the dog bark park where that idea belongs.
Forensic Lifestyle Analysis
9:17 am edt
Charlie Baker has heard your plea. He is advocating for a Forensic Lifestyle analysis of anyone who receives State
While people have won the affordable housing lottery and then had to return it because their true financial
picture finally emerged, it isn't due to the deep probing of the selection committee. Some sprang from the outrage of people
who knew the jobs and incomes of the applicant.
Now with a forensic lifestyle analysis we will know that the people
who do get state benefits truly deserve them. Affordable housing, a vacation home and a business on Commercial street? How
is this possible?
I still don't understand how a co worker who decided decades ago to work summers only and then
collect unemployment while sunning in Florida all winter while we worked here year round suddenly is entitled to apply for
affordable housing: isn't this self induced low income?
Collect unemployment and then work under the table in
the service industry is par for the course here. Then apply for your low income housing and you are set for life.
I'm tired of people bragging about the winter in South America or their sunny winter sandy shore while I work and they return
from another winter vacation.
Some of us work in businesses that are open all year at regular wages and some return
with their tans from a winter of dangling their toes in the warm surf to start working at jobs that we never left.
27-31 Bangs Street
9:15 am edt
Let's boycott the 27-31 Bangs St property. All local craftsman should refuse to work on the site. All locals should
refuse to buy the buildings. If no one buys those hideous condos, then the developer won't make any money. Just have the abutters
put up huge signs urging people not to buy them. Keep talking about it around town. Let whichever Real Estate agent in town
who tries to sell it know that it will be the last sale they ever make in Provincetown. We need to pull together and not just
keep posting on this site. Remember the developers are out to make a profit, if the profit is not there, they will move on.
We need to get these greedy bastards out of our town. Is there a way we can get a list of all of the "buildable"
lots in town and have a meeting with the Building Commissioner to sit down and look at these lots and vote to let them be
build on or not be built on when the time comes? We need to be proactive and stop this insanity of fitting buildings into
stamp size lots.
What these developers are doing is akin to bullying. We have power in numbers, let's fight back
and not sit back and be bullied.
Re: 27-31 Bangs Street Development
9:13 am edt
How Did This Happen ?
Now that the hype is over, I've looked at the pictures and find nothing wrong legally.
This type of development happens all over the town but it just now shows up in a particular persons backyard and he/she doesn't
like it. (NIMBY anyone?) Where was the outrage when Malone did the same thing on Nelson Ave and elsewhere in town? How did
this happen? It happens bacause nobody argues against the planning boards articles at town meeting that the voters approve.
They pass and this is what you get. Don't want it to happen anymore? Take the bylaws apart and one by one, have them rescinded
or repealed as it is your right to present articles through a citizens petition. Take the idea to town meeting and have them
repealed. You'd be amazed at how many other bylaws fall due to overlap as a result of just one or two being removed. And then
next year, do it again. Eventually, the townspeople will have their town back. Otherwise, how did this happen? Because the
townspeople were/are lazy !
and non-caring about issues tht effect them.
9:11 am edt
Hello, here is a list of meetings this week and a link for more info - Get involved!!
Monday, May 17th
→ Airport Commission - From 3:00 PM to 6:00 PM
→ Community Housing
Council - From 9:30 AM to 11:30 AM
→ Planning Board Meeting - From 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM
School District Planning Committee - From 4:00 PM to 5:00 PM
Tuesday, May 18th
Preservation Committee - From 5:00 PM to 8:00 PM
→ Board of Selectmen - From 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM
Wednesday, May 19th
→ Council on Aging - From 1:00 PM to 3:00 PM
→ Historic District
Commission Meeting - From 3:30 PM to 7:00 PM
→ Visitor Services Board Meeting - From 3:00 PM to 6:00 PM
Thursday, May 20th
→ Harbor Committee - From 4:30 PM to 7:30 PM
→ Board of Health
Meeting - From 5:00 PM to 8:00 PM
→ Water & Sewer Board Meeting - From 3:00 PM to 6:00 PM
Zoning Board of Appeals - From 6:00 PM to 10:00 PM
Friday, May 21st
Saturday, May 22nd
9:10 am edt
The real estate tax bills on affordable housing are effectively subsidized by all taxpayers in town. Compare the
tax bill on an affordable unit to a non-affordable unit in the same complex and you will see that the tax bill on the affordable
unit is much lower. Why should the other unit owners in the same complex have to subsize the affordable units condo
maintenance fees as well?
9:08 am edt
I KEEP READING THIS ONE GOT A UNIT, THAT ONE GOT A UNIT BUT I NEVER SEE A FAMILY WITH CHILDREN GOT A UNIT? WHAT'S
UP WITH THAT? THERE ARE PLENTY FAMILIES OUT THERE WAITING ON LISTS. DO WE ONLY HAVE ONE BEDROOM UNITS AVAILABLE IN THIS
THAT ALONE SOUNDS UNFAIR......
Saturday, May 15, 2010
We All Lose When We Don't Have a Building Commissioner
11:35 pm edt
And we, sadly and tragically, do not have a Building Commissioner. He is a phatom. He is never on site. He is never
checking on construction. He is hardly outside. Oh, he is at town hall. But that's about all the on-site work this guy does.
We are a town without an actual, existant Building Commissioner. Why doesn't Sharon do something about his absence,
his lack of regulating?
This guy has placed Our Town--both Provincetown and the ideal of this town--in jeopardy.
Perhaps for developers--and how odd that he himself is a developer--he does this town damage. He allows a few select others--yes,
developers--to ruin this town for their own individual profit. But the town itself loses in construction that should never
Twoquestions: First, why would any town hire a developer as a Building Commissioner? Second, what
does Russell Braun get in return? I often wonder.
11:33 pm edt
Has anyone in this town taken a look around lately? We live in what is, in my opinion, one of the most asthetically
pleasing towns in the entire country. Quit all your complaing and just stop to feel the absolute beauty that is Provincetown.
Can you feel it? I do.All this goes down in every town
in Massachusetts, get on with the important part of your lives, living. D. Newcombe.
Re: Town Hall
11:31 pm edt
"Why is the "lawn" in front of the public library in such a deplorable state? The lack of care
makes the "in progress" building look even more derelict."
The reason is as you describe, no attention. The lawn was laid out perfectly and then some committee, I think the
conscom for some reason, decided to place an erosion mat over the seed and loam and thus the deplorable state of the lawn.
You can't mow over an erosion mat. The fiber gets caught in the blades. But of course, these committees know better. There
wouldn't be any erosion if the grass were allowed to grow and stabilize the soil. But NOOOOOOOO. Everyone knows better.
RE: "How do You Find Out...." AKA Nosy Neighbor
11:29 pm edt
You can call the Department of Community Development and ask if there is a rental certificate on file for the
Affordable Housing Lottery
11:28 pm edt
And you can tell the person drawing numbers is impartial because? And you aren't aware of connections so there
aren't any because? In good vs. evil, good always wins. Only in fairy tales my dear. U R either eating gullible
stew or simply dillusional.
You Are So Naive
11:27 pm edt
The complaints against a fair lottery are so many that the Ted malone Bid Lottery Machine had to have a least two or
three locals finally--after many years--get a place. Just look back five years and you'll see that no town residents ever
received local affordable housing.\
But there you are, in the front seat and you think that what's in the
hat is equal? How foolish and naive you are. You have no idea what's in the hat. I pull out a number and the sheets that have
registered the offocial numbers change depending on whose number comes out.
It is rigged. Ted Malone is corrupt.
You, sir or madam, are but a naive ticket holder to a film that will never occur.
How naive can anyone be? Look
in the mirror and you'll get your answer.
11:25 pm edt
Please don't feel bad. You are right. Your "friend" doesn't deserve you in the least. If
there were more people like you this town wouldn't be in such a mess. Whoever he/she is, they blew it. Thank you.
11:24 pm edt
Oh, so now we have the affordable housing condo owners who feel that they are entitled to pay less fees that the rest
because they have reduced-price condo. Well, the solution is to get another job.
I sweated and worked and took
no vacations to get my house and no one gives me a break. Talk about spoiled little brats who feel entitled to have everyone
else pay their way.
All Pay For Sewer System
11:22 pm edt
We are cleaning up our town the more we are on the waste water sewer system. We all pay for the school; we can
all pay for the sewer system.
Hurrah! to the Board of S. for making everyone hook up who is Red Dot Delay.
Room Full of People
11:18 pm edt
I don't understand. There was a room full of people at the Bangs street meeting at the Grace Gouveria building.
We talked about affordable housing jumping on this loophole of two buildings making one.
Someone keeps posting
that all of these postings are by one person...Believe me, they are not!
11:17 pm edt
The sun is shining the cash registers are ringing and people smiling. Thank you Lord Forgive us our tresspasses as we
forgive those tresspass against us. Help us to live together in harmony and peace.
Hello! Anyone Out There?
11:16 pm edt
Ms. Bataglini is a member of the Planning Board. I left a message for her with Ms. Notaro, which is what
the website instructs, as Ms. Notaro is the Planning Board Coordinator. Ms. Bataglini should have gotten the message
Thursday morning. These people call each other all the time. I won't be holding my breath. She was quite adamant
in the abutters meeting to defend herself against a conflict of interest claim. Fir was up, too adamant I'd say.
Hear Ye Hear Ye!
11:14 pm edt
How do you promote an art gallery? Denounce the Green Line like the ad says then hire art barkers for Commercial Street
like the gallery in the ad did to bring people off of commercial street. Woof Woof buy my art. I wonder if that fits
in his what hawthorne and the arts heritage he talks all about so knowingly would do. There are enough barkers on the
street for shows and restaurants and special events. Now we are going to add to the Carnival like atmosphere with an
art barker. Maybe every business on the street should have a barker. Oh what would the pilgrims have done to promote the Mayflower.
To "The Blogger"
11:12 pm edt
More than "1" blogger is discussing affordable housing being
corrupt in this town with the Ted Malones and Judy Menchers being allowed to run wild. Should all be stifled because
you disagree? What are you hiding? These two should be ashamed for what they have done to this town and continue
to do with the help of their cohorts in town hall. They should all be
. To have a bathroom fit for show funded by "affordable"
units and to be so proud you display it in a magazine is shameful. I'm lucky my toilet flushes sometimes and I can afford
toilet paper even though I work fulltime. Finally, people are seeing the light and now you want the shade to be pulled
because you don't agree. Discussion is healthy. Didn't your therapist tell you that? Making money is the
American Dream but comeon, do you have to ruin a town to make a killing? over and over again with the help of town government.
All people offended by this should file a class action suit against these people and town officials who allow it based
on principle alone. I predict the units on Bangs St. will eventually fall into a sinkhole but the developer will be long gone
by then. I wouldn't buy one of these if the developer paid me instead of me paying her. Disgusting.
I Have a Problem ....
9:55 am edt
Here's my problem - a developer has been my friend. I am so upset with what they have done with one of their
developments, I don't know what to do.
Even though this person has been my friend, I can't believe
what they have done to take advantage of our beautiful town. I have been happy for their past successes and they have made
alot of money. But when you have alot of money, why take advantage ? Build your development in line with town regulations
and make a fair profit, but don't do everything possible to find every loophole and take advantage.
This is our
beautiful town and we all try to do our best to protect it. This person should be ashamed of themselves to walk amoungst our
community and expect to be embraced.
From writing this my problem has been solved - I can no longer call this
person my friend.
9:53 am edt
Why is the "lawn" in front of the public library in such a deplorable state? The lack of care makes the "in
progress" building look even more derelict.
Did I Miss a Post or Was an Answer Posted?
9:52 am edt
How do you find out if a neighbor that rents daily , weekly , have the proper certificates from the town?
To: The Blogger Who Keeps Saying the Affordable Housing Lotteries Are Rigged...
9:50 am edt
Have you ever been to one? They are open to the public, I have applied twice... numbers go into the jar, and all
numbers come out of the jar, they are drawn be an impartial person..
the last time three folks won housing. One
is a local artist, one a local business owner and another a woman who has lived here for years..
As far as I can tell
none of these folks have anything to do with Mr. Malone. in this particular drawing another local man who has lived
here for 10 years came in 4th, and I can in 5th...
Go to the next lottery and see for yourself the process it is all
done out in the open... .
NOW PLEASE STOP BRINGING THIS UP OVER AND OVER!
9:48 am edt
Accident on High Pole Hill Road. I asked someone if they had heard or seen anything written on the accident.
They told me that accidents are usually not reported if there were no injuries to the driver or the passengers or; if they
only sustained minor injuries.
To: the Low Income/Affordable Housing Condo Fees
9:47 am edt
I thought condo fees were factored into the affordable monthly expenses and they could only go up to a certain amount
on condo fees for those individuals who own an affordable unit.
How can you expect someone who has an affordable
housing unit to pay a mortgage plus a monthly condo fee that is half of what the monthly mortgage is. Sounds to me like the
market rate unit owners don't want affordable units in their complex, so let's have the association raise the condo fees.
Affordable units owners should be part of the Board of Trustees to have a say as well.
note, as for affordable housing rental units, the affordable housing rental rates are rediculous. People don't
make that much money to pay these rates. You have to work two jobs just to make enough to pay the rent and hope there's enough
money left over to eat for the month.
9:45 am edt
If you called Town Hall to speak to Ellen Battaglini then you called the wrong place. So, if you didn't get an answer
back, that's why. As an abutter to a couple of different projects in my area of town I attended some of the different
board meetings and I noticed she was taking minutes so I asked someone who she was, as I was not familiar with her. Having
lived here for several years, I thought I knew everybody since Provincetown is only so big. They told me she was the recording
secretary for the commission and a couple of other boards and it was mentioned that she worked in the private sector during
9:43 am edt
I don't know who this Philip guy is but isn't the green line thing over? Why is he running an ad in this week's
Banner? Something is not too together in his thinking.
Re: Hush Up?
9:42 am edt
"Why is the "accident" off of High Pole Hill and onto Alden Street being hushed up? Is
the Truro police chief really that powerful in Provincetown?"
She had an accident and she was alright considering. What cover up would you be refering to? Can't a person have an
accident? Are you that perfect?
9:40 am edt
There are a number of residents who consider affordable housing to be less than legitimate in this town.
The authorities would allow no one's name to be dragged through the mud unless there was some truth behind it.
It is the taxpayers who make this town run; at some point the taxpayers needs will have to be addressed.
hope that the powers that be look at the needs of everyone--not just their developer friends. Red dot properties will have
to connect to the sewer system even though some restauants spent many thousands for their septic systems..
"Big Ideas for the Bath"
9:38 am edt
Like many a big-city apartment dweller, I have bathroom envy. I have a bathroom, of course, but it's strictly
by the numbers. Functional.
So when I see a bathroom like this one (designed by Boston-based Frank Roop for clients
Nicole Polaski and Judy Mencher, a couple of women who happen to be legally married under Massachusetts law), my little envy
meter just flies to the highest possible number, and I want it. I want it bad."
Taken straight from the worldwide
web. I wonder if Ms. Mencher put bathrooms this nice in her prefabs on Bangs St. I doubt it but at least it explains
what she does with all that money our little town allows her to make. over and over again at the neighborhoods' expense.
Affordable Housing Lottery
9:36 am edt
I don't think the idea that the affordable housing lottery in town is corrupt is crazy at all. It is right on.
Ask anyone who has waited and waited and continues to be turned down, over and over again. Ask someone who has
been approved almost immediately while they work for the summer. Better yet, compare their tax returns and bank accounts,
in state and out.
Some of the Affordables Did Turn Into Market Rate
9:35 am edt
Look at Monica's affordable. Then look at Pam Parmagian's. All sold at market rate. So what you have is Ted Malone
getting his employees housing as afffordable and then they can make a profit on the once-affordable. That is the same situation
with Rex McKenzie's affordable. He can sell it at market rate. And also the affordable that A.J. Allon has. He too can sell
it at market rate. When these condominiums go to market rate, then they are deducted from the affordable housing pool. And
then we say: Oh, we now need more affrodable housing.
It is a sham. It is sheer trickery. TEd Malone has found
a profitable way to get workers at a certain wage, then promise them housing and also promise that their "friends"
and Lovers can also get affordable housing. Malone is a man who has kept his "promise." How? It's the luck of the
draw. That's how Monica's, Pam's, A.J.'s and Rex's names were "selected" from the TEd Malone organized and "legitimized"
Amazing, how Lucky these Ted Malone workers are!
Friday, May 14, 2010
Simple Questions.....No Answers
4:03 pm edt
Don't we have a bigger broom to sweep all the town problems further under the carpet, this time for good, so no one
has to be bored with them over and over again. or we could just report them all to the Attorney General and maybe in
10 years they might call back. What good are town officials if they can't answer simple questions about their town that
they get PAID to represent and manage? How much money have developers put back into this town as required by law for
each of the last 10 years? What was the water quality in 2009? Why was a lesser construction project on Bangs St. Extension
denied before and now a larger construction project is blessed by all departments in town hall?
P.S. Ellen Bataglini didn't return the phone call. Point taken.
Contacted Mary Ann Bragg
3:24 pm edt
Thank you for printing the article written by Mary Ann Bragg. I contacted her and she convinced me to contact the authorities
and suggested that I confide in them, which I did.
Shout Out! encouraged a good deed.
3:23 pm edt
Do we really have to read someones crazy idea about affordable housing being unfair ETC ETC ETC. Over and over again?
If you think that things are being done illegal, report it to the state attorney general. Ranting the same things on this
blog will not change anything. Do something about the problems you repeatedly bring up on this blog. We, the readers of this
blog have heard you now for years. We can not help you with this problem.
3:01 pm edt
I know the whole green line thing is finally over (and thank goodness,) but, um, did anyone happen to read the bizarre
and rambling ad taken out in this weeks Banner by the owner of the Henry Philips Gallery?
Who is Philip N. Desmaris?
Can you believe the tone of that ad? It's written like some Royal proclamation. "The Henry Philips Gallery Denounces
The Green Line Proposal..."
Well, I hope I never do anything to get on His Highness' nerves, lest he take
out an ad "denouncing" me.
To: Not a Town Employee
2:58 pm edt
To call this a "dead horse" issue indicates either you couldn't care less about the problem or you have something
to hide and want to divert attention. Helping year-round residents who are falling through the cracks should be our
main focus... and it is not. Instead, their problems land on deaf ears and they are constantly stepped over. This is
wrong. These people, some who have been born here, some not, some of which have no choice, struggle to stay here with
the cards stacked against them for the winter. They are the ones who keep this town breathing through the cold weather.
Instead of worrying about a green line we should be worrying about how these people are going to make ends meet. No,
instead they are forced to the back of the line by their own town officials. They are told to get behind seasonal workers
and part-time landlords/property owners who make seasonal appearances contributing nothing but taking as much as they can
get including available affordable ho!
using and unemployment. Is it too much to ask for something actually being
just fair for a change? When it is going to stop? Town officials and developers work together to cherry pick candidates
who abuse the system. Wake up Provincetown and take care of your own, even if you have to revolt against the present
dictatorship to do it.
12:47 pm edt
I work with a guy who has nothing but disgust for the affordable housing "dispensers". He went to them
and they told him that he makes too much to rent a place--but not enough to buy a place.
And yet he wonders how
these other people get it who have a business etc.
Before they changed the rule, it used to be that you could
buy an affordable housing home, wait a number of years and then sell it for the going open Market rate. Great deal when things
went sky high a few years ago.
Buy low and sell high and live high on the hog the rest of your life.
11:33 am edt
I could have a business on commercial street and travel to Europe too if my spouse and I lived in an affordable
housing unit with a lifetime of set taxes to pay etc.
The law requires that affordable housing developers give
money to the towns where they build their housing empires. Where is it written we find out how much our developers have given
back to the town?
Re: Lottery Allegations
10:15 am edt
Posting Dec 2007: "No wonder it's friends of friends of the developer who happily are "selected" for
Posting May 2010: "It is simply corrupt. It is rigged and friends of friends of Ted Malone
get their names pulled out of the magician's hat. Luck? Yes, if you are intimately involved in anyone who works for Ted Malone,
then you're first in line....."
Really, 3 years later and we're still beating on this dead horse? If
you think the lottery is corrupt and have any shred of evidence other than your imagination go to the district attorney. Otherwise,
please don't bore us again with your unfounded allegations. They were a lie in 2007 and they are a lie now.
not a town employee, etc.
Town Hall Minions Involved
10:13 am edt
Town lawyer being called regarding housing and fee issues is a bad joke. Town counsel is a lawfirm from Boston.
The Bangs St. Ext. developer is a lawyer from Boston. All donate to the same obscure political campaigns (public
record). Condos fees are high. Lotteries are corrupt. Thats the magic of building "affordable housing"
using public funding. These developers aren't about to lose a dime in the interest of the community. Enough is
enough. People seem to finally be waking up to what's been going on in this town for way too long. Town officials giving
approvals to their buds have gone too far. There are other ways to handle problems and new construction isn't the only answer.
This town survived hundreds of years and could perhaps even thrive once more, but only if the bloodletting stops and
we start taking care of our own. New unneeded construction needs to be stopped. Period. And those projects in progress
that are blatant violations need to be invest!
igated. Unethical, you bet. I would bet more than one of
these developers' minions in town hall would boil to the top of this soup.
10:11 am edt
I have lived here for years and the idea of a "fair" affordable housing lottery has become a joke around town.
I know long time year round residents who don't even bother trying anymore because time and time again they've seen rigged
lotteries awarding the affordable units to people who are well connected (it's a small town, it isn't hard to connect the
I know one guy who got an affordable unit and owns property in another state that he sublets. I know of
another couple who own units who rent one out. Isn't this against the rules?
It wouldn't be hard to investigate
and prove these charges, but the powers that be seem to like things the way they are.
10:09 am edt
Why is the "accident" off of High Pole Hill and onto Alden Street being hushed up? Is the Truro police
chief really that powerful in Provincetown?
10:07 am edt
I just read in the Banner that we have 27 new businesses opening in Provincetown this season. NO SURPRIZE! People are
smart. Open a business under a corporate name, work for 4 months and then lay yourself off and get unemployment for the rest
of the year. What a life style! Also move to a warmer clime to enjoy the checks electronically deposited in your account.
Provincetown, just as the recent head librarian said is a desolate and lonely place to stay for a winter. Thanks Banner for
reporting how awful it is to live a winter here. I'm sure lots of people will be influenced by this report.
To: Who Are You Kidding
7:12 am edt
I'm with you. How more deceitful can that lottery be? Why is none from the public present when thelotteries
are drawn? They should be drawn by an impartial person. Not anyone affiliated with housing. The list should
also be placed in lottery by the same person who draws, that way you know all the names who applied are present...
Lets see who's name was drawn for the vacant unit on Old Colony Way? That will be another mystery.....
Thursday, May 13, 2010
Who Are You Kidding?
11:36 pm edt
Honest Housing Lottery? What Planet do You Live On?
It is simply corrupt. It is rigged and friends of friends
of Ted Malone get their names pulled out of the magician's hat. Luck? Yes, if you are intimately involved in anyone who works
for Ted Malone, then you're first in line. HOw lucky Rex McKenzie was. How lucky A.J. was. How lucky Monica was. How lucky
Pam Parmagian was. All of them working for Ted Malone except Rex who is a partner of Ted Malone's paid employee.
It is a carnival barker's game. And the public is the foolish crowd waiting for the show to start.
you want affordable housing, here's my advice: go out, date and you know what someone working for Ted Malone. And surprise
of all surprise, your name will eventually be pulled from the magician Malone's deep, dark, black hat.
27-31 Bang Street
11:30 pm edt
Has anyone looked into the Bangs Street building fiasco to see if anyone is on the take? Sounds to me like possible
ethics violations? Who knows? Somebody knows something...
11:29 pm edt
Thanks to MYPACC and "SHOUT OUT" I was able to get Mary Ann Bragg's email address. I've been calling
her, but I have not been able to reach her and I do not want to leave my number.
Due to MYPACC printing the article
from the paper, I was able to get her e-mail address and ask her when it would be convienient to contact her.
11:26 pm edt
I did call Ms. Battaglini today and left a message. She hasn't returned the call... maybe tomorrow, oh that's
right, town hall is closed on Fridays.
27-31 Bang Street
11:24 pm edt
I think the people on this street, the whole town for that matter, should be outraged that this woman got approval for
these 4 oversized, hideous prefabs that are crooked on this little dead end. Something serious is very wrong here. Permits
or not, there is no way this can be legal. The previous owner got denied and this gets through? These "permits"
and those handing them out need some detailed further review.
11:23 pm edt
While talking about restaurants, most of the restaurants
in town, bubala,s the red inn etc. have had the same
menus for years !!! please restaurant owners, mix it up
a bit !!!
11:21 pm edt
I understand the town lawyer is being called re housing issues and fees.. There must be some guidelines
set... How can one low income owner pay one condo fee while another pays higher? All fees should be set the same
matter on the size of the unit.... Who sets the fees?
Ellen Bataglini and Developer, Judy Mencher
11:20 pm edt
A connection between Ellen Bataglini and this developer, Judy Mencher. Has to be. Why else would a town
official in her "official" capacity change her position full circle? Isn't she an abutter also from Willow St.?
Isn't that a conflict of interest to vote on this in the first place? I would not doubt more "connections"
exist between town officials and the "chosen" few developers that continue to be allowed to milk this town dry.
To ask Ms. Bataglini this question would have the same result as the abutters meeting. Straight forward question, convoluted
answer. Take it to court if you want justice. People who really care about this town need to send a message that we
are tired of having our town used. The Ted Malones and Judy Menchers aren't developing out of the kindness in their
hearts to those needing affordable housing. Wake up. Provincetown is their bottomless money pit. There are
plenty of other towns they can ruin to make a quick buck. Go pick on!
someone else. and your buddies
in town hall will just have to survive without you. High condo fees are not at all a surprise. That's part of
11:17 pm edt
Maybe the BOS should paint a bright pink line from Lopes Square to the Red Inn one week before Town Meeting next
year in 2011 and hopefully 400-500 voters will show up and participate in the democratic process instead of being in Ft. Lauderdale,
Mexico, New York or Boston or even Jamaica in the winter. Most open his or her business for 4-5 months and leave. Those who
collect unemployment or don't pay taxes and sit at home and live off the system and complain should get off their duff and
also try to be pro-active and positive. Their are many of us still remaining who are full time residents who work hard, volunteer,
hold funraisers month after month, gay and straight and everywhere in between who live and moved here for a reason. It is
like no other place in the worlds and we need to bring more postive energy back. We need a grass roots reshuffling of the
"deck". The BOS have lacked vision and leadership and will only change if the electorate wants it to change. The
Town Manager and Asst. Town Manager have to step up to the plate and become true leaders in this community as well. The citizens
of this town need to organize and try to move the conversation and vision of "our" town in a new positive
direction. This is the second time I have posted on this blog and maybe I am naive but I have invested my life's savings in
my business and years of sweat equity and I would like to continue on the path to be successful and give back to the community
in any way I can but we all have to do it together if we are to be successful.
Affordable Housing - Prove it
11:14 pm edt
Anyone who gets an affordable housing unit should have to present utility bills and pay stubs for the year proving
that they actually live here and work here full time.
If they do not - there is no need for them to have an affordable
housing unit. If this were the criteria the demand for these necessary units would decrease.
Affordable Condo Fees
11:13 pm edt
Am I correct that someone thinks a person owning an affordable condo should pay a lower condo fee than the people with
a market rate condo? This idea is just plain nuts. The last thing a person struggling to pay a hefty mortgage needs to do
is to is subsidize a neighbor paying half their mortgage. I guess maybe we should subsidize car payments and insurance because
food stamps do not cover cigarettes.
No Comments Allowed About Kerry Adams
11:32 am edt
None of my Kerry Adams post have been published here. The webmaster is not
allowing any comments here regarding
Kerry Adams. The result is that I'm calling
the Cape Cod Times and telling them what I've witnessd in the past.
Comment: Given the extreme nature of the issues surrounding this subject, including the fact that it is an active
on-going legal matter. Shout Out! will neither accept pro or con comments regarding this case.
As for your
calling other media, that is your prerogative.
Maybe You Should Ask Ellen Battaglini
11:08 am edt
She was the one who denied a town resident the request to divide the
parcel of land he had for thirty years
into four parcels. As a member of
Planning, she said it would not be good for the neighborhood.
in 2005 when he wanted to divide the land into two parcels
and put up two houses, Ellen Battaglini, as a
member of Planning,
again denied him. Battaglini said that BAngs Street Extension was
only a paper street
and that the road itself needed work and couldn't
accomodate the two houses. Then in 2008, Ellen Battaglini found
no problem with four houses on the same piece of land and found no problem
that this development
would disturb the neighborhood. She found no problem
with the road that years before she believed was a paper
road. So ask Battaglini.
Everything she held as reasons to deny a town resident his right to develop this
land minimally was throw away when a developer who she obviously knew
requested to develop this parcel.
This time, Battaglini considered the request
for variances and overdevelopment not a problem at all. Maybe
you should ask
her how often she and the developer met and spent time together.
Just ask her.
Affordable Housing Lottery
10:59 am edt
All housing lotteries are honest, if you know otherwise please report it to the state
Didn'T we address this issue on here before!?!
Wednesday, May 12, 2010
11:49 pm edt
Georges pizza is open year round.
11:47 pm edt
Fanizzi's restaurant is open every month year round.
By Mary Ann Bragg, Cape Cod Times
10:43 pm edt
A criminal complaint was issued yesterday in Orleans District Court charging Provincetown School Committee member Kerry Adams
with one count of indecent exposure from an incident on Jan. 30.
The complaint is brought against Adams
based on an allegation — generally speaking — that he intentionally exposed his genitals or buttocks to one or
more people who were offended by it, according to a court document.
The details of a state police
report describing the incident were impounded yesterday by Orleans District Court Judge Brian Merrick. He cited the ages of
the alleged victims as a reason to shield the report from public view.
But Adams, 49, said yesterday
the charge is bogus. He said he allowed two boys he had chaperoned for a church confirmation class earlier in the winter to
play pool a few times — at their request — at the Knights of Columbus hall in Provincetown. The confirmation class
had held a "teen night" at the hall, and the two boys had wanted to return to play more pool, he said.
later, the civic group discovered that 39 "nip" bottles of liquor had been stolen, Adams said. When confronted about
a possible break-in or possible theft, at least one of the boys said Adams had exposed himself to them.
pretty much speechless right now," Adams, an officer of the Knights of Columbus, said yesterday.
said he supervised the boys each time as they played pool, and drove one of them home. His own children were in the same room
as the pool table and also downstairs eating pizza at a restaurant, he said. "My own kids were in and out," Adams
said. "They knew I was there."
Adams is also an appointed board member of the Provincetown
Public Pier Corp. and an insurance agent in Provincetown. He will be arraigned June 1. In lieu of an arrest, he was issued
a summons yesterday to appear in court for his arraignment. He said he plans to hire an attorney.
penalty for the charge is jail or house of correction for not more than six months, a fine of not more than $200, or both.
Adams was just re-elected to the five-member school committee at the May 4 town election, in an uncontested
race. He was first elected to the board in May 2007, and his current term ends 2013. He is also an appointed member of the
Cape Cod National Seashore General Management Plan Implementation Advisory Committee.
began with the Provincetown police department, Provincetown police chief Jeff Jaran said yesterday.
said that he asked the state police to take the case given its complexity and to avoid any appearance of local bias. Cape
and Islands First Assistant District Attorney Brian Glenny declined to comment yesterday.
10:31 pm edt
We haven't seen a lottery done honestly yet....It's amazing who is getting the housing and who's not.... All you
get when you call is" there are so many people waiting"
Yeh right, why are there so many non-residents
Let's give to our own first..... Those who have ties and connections with the town. Not transients
who strolled in and WOW got a unit.....
I SAY STOP... STOP.... STOP..... We don't need anymore..
Unless, they want to make the Murchisons into housing... right in the yard of TED... Can't wait to see
what happens when those units go up!
Sorry Ted... keep your blinds down......
10:29 pm edt
I was disgusted to hear from a friend who owns a low income home that her condo fees are as much as her mortgage.
That is sinful..... What was even worse, she phoned Ted Malone who basically blew her off. Then phoned Michelle
Couture who was equally as ignorant..
The low income SCAM needs to STOP !!!!! We do not need any more HIGH
INCOME housing... Because LOW INCOME is just a name......
It's time Malone and Couture step away from this
issue and give it to someone who is HONEST !!!!!
Year Round Restaurants
10:27 pm edt
Michael Shay's is open every month year round and so is the Mews and Napis. What other restaurant is open year
round every day?
Time to Adjust One's Reality
10:24 pm edt
Greed, Time to Adjust One's reality and That Includes Stopping Mega Projectrs, Mega Town Hall Rehab and Lib Rehab and
now Police Station
This is a five month town. It is a tourist town and the rest of the year, few are here and
we need fewer and fewer resources. Cut town employees. Cut the police to be mroe seasonal. It's a deception to hire more and
rent new cruisers. It's a five month town and our bills and expenses should be five months. We don't need full time everyones.
Then put the real workers on a five day week and no more free lunch with doors closed at noon. We could do well
with half of the staff. You've got 900 here in the winter, a few more around the winter edges. People have left and will not
return. the services they need are bing met in Fort Lauderdale, Vieques, San Miguel. Face the reality and make the appropriate
And you don't need affordable housing in the large numbers proposed because there is nothing for them to
do seven months of the year. Therea re no jobs here. It's seasonal rentals, seasonal workers and seasonal residents. That's
the reality and let's stop the sham of full-time everything.
Bangs St. Extension
3:42 pm edt
I am still confused by the fact that a lesser project on this same land was denied 2 times in the past because
of concerns over the neighborhood and the land. Then these 4 monsters were allowed by the same people who denied the
other times? Why did they change their minds? This project has caused much more natural damage than the other
two would have for sure. How could they change their minds on this when they set a "precedent" by denying
before? This is such an awful project.
3:23 pm edt
High School closing, uncontested elections, three year-round restaurants, etc.
Provincetown is dead as a
year-round community. Heck, half the supposed year-rounders spend 2-4 months in Florida and Mexico every year.
And yet the "locals" (of which I am one!) cling hopelessly to this notion that things are what they once were.
Time to face reality folks and adjust our infrastructure, bylaws and reality to the fact that we are now a 6 month
(at best) vacation town.
Using Existing Units For Affordable Housing Not an Option
3:21 pm edt
Since the need for these new affordable units is so dire, which one is it?
All 4 separate units on Bangs
St. Ext. are going to be rented out to low-income year round residents at an affordable rate.
All 4 units
are going to be sold as "affordable" meaning $200,000.00 instead of $650,000.00 a piece.
All 4 units
will be sold for a $650,000.00 a piece and then the new owner of one will rent it out as an affordable housing to a yearround
resident while the other 3 are rented out in the summers only and sit empty the rest of the time.
3 will be sold
for a couple million and the last one sold much cheaper say $400,000.00 less.
3 will be sold for a couple million
and the last one rented out to a poor yearround resident who can't afford to rent the other 3 just like it.
To say this development helps the affordable housing problem in any way is ridiculous. and to present it for permitting
as such is shameful. and to think it was approved, even more shameful.
To: Affordable Housing
12:46 pm edt
So rather than get creative with already existing rentable units, keep jamming new ones in for the declining population.
Priceless. No one would ever think of taking the food off the table of these part-time summer landlords or taking
their property by eminent domain, but how about some simple incentives. I'm not a professional like you obviously but
here are some suggestions taken from other towns who do it very successfully.
Landlords and developers
are business people who depend upon a profit margin to stay in business and fully understand the role of financial incentives.
They are also often concerned with protection of their assets and limiting the amount of tenant relations issues and legal
action that is sometimes required. For this reason, programs that include a monetary incentive may attract topquality participants.
· Tenant-based rent subsidies.
· higher Rent deposits
· Finders fees.
· Lease signing bonuses.
· Public loans to rehabilitate structures.
· Use of public assistance
funds and Social Security Insurance payments for rent.
· Damage deposit and payments.
· Rent payment
· Allowances for unlawful retainer or eviction costs.
· Housing agencies co-signing
leases with clients.
· Above-market rent to compensate for potential rent losses.
· Resources to
provide credit checks for potential residents.
· Legal assistance to the landlord.
and another plus is
there is peace of mind with knowing someone is taking care of your house for the winter and you don't have to go through the
hassles of summer renting. Instead of funding the same handful of developers over and over for new construction, take
this money and use it to subsidize rents for already existing units.
8:47 am edt
Just wait until people see the five or so buildings that will be constructed in the hollow basin next to the Cumberland
farms on Shank painter Rd. The "eventual" residents will complain about the people at Cumbie's gas pumps talking
on cell phones at 11pm at night, loud music from cars (noise carries) and about the oil trucks backing up and beeping early
in the morning at Cape Cod Oil.
With all of the meetings etc. about the green line, no one paid attention until
the town woke up one morning to the green line running down the street.
It appeared and the uproar ensued. Now
it is history.
Just wait until the town residents wake up to see 5 buildings at 90 Shankpainter Rd. More buildings
on the way to beach forest are on the docket too. And $3,000,000 of taxpayer money was given to award winning developers who
own housing developments all around the state.
Go to Bangs Street ext. and see the future look of Provincetown.
New Affordable Housing
8:41 am edt
A blogger writes to stop building new affordable housing (here we go again). And to designate affordable housing to
units already built that sit empty 9 1/2 months out of the year instead of putting up more. My question to the blogger, shall
we (the town) just take these private unused units by eminent domain? Should we take your home? The reason we need more rental
housing in this town is because condo units do not rent to town year rounders at an affordable rent.
To: Re: Water
8:40 am edt
There is no need to insult with your "sad, sad" remark. Perhaps you project. Conspiracy,
maybe, need to be cautious and look out for ourselves, definitely. Who else is going to do it? Those who allow
clear cutting of dunes and green lines? Yeah, okay.
8:39 am edt
No one is calling anyone a liar. However, if a 25% admitted margin of error occurs, that's just bad business
which seems to be the case across the "boards". It's 2010, not 1996. A 5% margin is too much. Do
other Cape towns experience this? I don't think so. Where are the figures for 2009?
To Rte. 6 Takeover
The development cartel will happily cover these additional costs as a thank you to the town for its boundless
willingness to line their pockets. In the event they overpay, you can put the check in the queue for later use next
Tuesday, May 11, 2010
MARY ANN BRAGG/Cape Cod Times
6:36 pm edt
criminal complaint was issued today in Orleans District Court charging Provincetown School Committee member Kerry Adams with
one count of indecent exposure from an incident on Jan. 30, court records indicated.
The charge is
brought against Adams, 49, based on allegations that he intentionally exposed his genitals or buttocks to one or more people
who were offended by it. The details of a state police report describing the incident were impounded today by Judge Brian
Merrick. Merrick cited the ages of the victims as a reason to shield the report from public view.
who is also an appointed board member of the Provincetown Public Pier Corporation and an insurance agent in Provincetown,
will be arraigned June 1. In lieu of an arrest, Adams was issued a summons today to appear in court for his arraignment, court
The penalty for the charge is jail or house of correction for not more than
six months, a fine of not more than $200, or both.
Adams was not available for comment early this
afternoon. He was just re-elected to the five-member school committee at the May 4 town election, in an uncontested race.
His term ends 2013. He is also an appointed member of the Cape Cod National Seashore General Management Plan Implementation
The investigation into the incident began with the Provincetown police department,
Provincetown police chief Jeff Jaran said today. Jaran said that he asked the state police to take the case given its complexity
and to avoid any appearance of local bias. Cape & Islands First Assistant District Attorney Brian Glenny declined to comment
about the case today.
Route Six Takeover
6:24 pm edt
Well it now starts. Iam told the state submitted a $40,000 snow plowing bill to Provincetown for this winter.
and we had only a little snow. Provincetown is now responsible for traffic light maintance. (not cheap) drain pits maintance,
highway paving (not cheap) plowing sanding etc, of route six and intersections.
Where will this money come
Rumor in the Press
6:18 pm edt
There's a rumor about a town official being charged with indecent assault. Does anyone know anything about it? Is it
Interesting Question on Bob Sanborne
6:17 pm edt
Where is he on this Green Line and where was he in the proposing and dicussion. Is it that only person is left
holding the Green line Bag? Maybe there were many others supporting this wrong marketing plan but only one is left with the
blame. And, again, the Chair of the BOS was also involved and voted on this decision. Had she been a real Chair with real
skills, she would have brought this to the public or to key organizations for discussions. But her Couture let this go forward
and she herself was a champion of this misdirected marketing plan. Couture should be taking some of the blame and not only
one gallery owner.
The BOS did not handle this idea and project well. And having green paint available does not
a marketing plan make!
Re: Legal Rentals
5:58 pm edt
It would be an EXCELLENT idea to publish the LEGAL RENTALS here in town. I'm almost positive that my neiabor is renting
a couple of illegal spaces in his former one family house. He has also made his own curb cut with parking without a public
Personal Remarks & Attacks
5:56 pm edt
Here is something to think about.
Is there a way for you (my fellow bloggers) to disagree with someone,
or disapprove of someone's antics (yes, MJ we mean you)
without attacking them personally?
I don't like the green line, but i sure don't wish ill will
towards this lady, Ms
I don't like the way a certain Chairman of the Board treats
people at all. But i won't attack
her business , nor make snide comments .
If you do, then you are part of the problem. you are part of the reason
a lot of folks refuse to run for office or get involved in Provincetown.
and then. look what we get. Totally uncontested
How embarassing for our town.
That's not how it works on any other town on Cape Cod.
So, folks. Remember that next time you have the urge to be fresh (mean).
Remember that there are some people
out there who may be considering running for office, or volunteering on a board.
They may be reading this blog.
Do you want them to volunteer or not?
5:54 pm edt
When is this town going to finally get fed up with being used as a cash cow for developers who know better than to try
it in any other town on the Cape? They people prey on Ptown for a reason. Those charged with upholding the backbone
of this community need to demand a line be drawn, literally, in the sand. We don't need new developments, we don't need
more condos. We need to take care of what we have now and make it good again. Fix the roads, designate affordable
housing to units already built that sit empty 9 1/2 months out of the year instead of putting up more. Someone, anyone,
with a brain in town hall had better call those town boards that can't see the forest for the trees into check soon before
this town becomes completely lost for good in the mayhem labelled as "affordable housing" and "progress".
Provincetown is too fragile to be treated this way and I for one, am sick of it.
Any Update on the Boatworks?
5:53 pm edt
Can They Rebuild to the Height Even Though They Tore the Building Down?
What was Zoning's response? What
did this Board decide? Did anyone attend? Knock down a building, get the Building Commissioner to say it's "unsafe"
after contractors work six months to de-stabilize the building, and then what? Oh, yes, you can now rebuild as you want!
Please let me know what Zoning decided? I know they should have changed all setbacks and denied the grandfathered
height that came with the older existing building, but somehow I wouldn't be surprised is they looked at each other and said:
"Oh, this is fine!"
But maybe they had the cahunas and the smarts to take the right action. Please let
5:51 pm edt
Funny that the first thing some do is try to assign an indentity to the poster and then either imply or outright
state a personal hiddend agenda.
As someone else pointed out I am not MC or any other town official. Just a homeowner
who keeps an eye on the long term issues in town and does his homework particularly on show stopping infrastructure questions
POOLS: if you consult the town by-laws you will see that pools are allowed. however, they must be
filled with water from out of town.
WATERING: I know for a FACT that many of the properties I see being watered
with sprinklers during the water ban months are NOT on wells. Also interesting is that watering tends to take place in the
early hours of the morning when town employees are unlikely to observe it. I know of at least one case where a contractor
put in an elaborate irrigation sytem tied to town water and never told the customer this was illegal. They found out when
the town threatened to dismantle said system and then installed a well.
I will dig in on the question of how many
days we overpump.Regardless it is hard to assert that overpumping is caused by residential use which is the majority of new
building. The town spends an inordinate amount of time and money, mostly using respected outside consultants, to calculate
sewer usage/water usage/etc. When they allow additions to the system its only after pretty exhaustive review by several layers
of committees, town depts, and in some case BOS, etc.
It does nothing to further debate to assert town officials
are lying about water statistics. I take the information posted at face value as the DPW has nothing to gain by lying about
these figures to the DEP. Yours is a sad sad world if you see everything as a consipiracy.
Chatham Voted NO on Added Local Taxes!
12:16 pm edt
No go with the Green!!!!!
Paint it paint it paint it black..
Water Water Everywhere!
12:15 pm edt
To Michelle's defense, (while I do know her, and not as a bosom buddy) no it was not her that posted on this blog about
water or building. Interestingly enough, some very good responses have been written from it. Bringing debate to
the table is a good thing. It appears people who have written do their homework and know what they are talking about. This
is good because people reading the blog who are not actively involved in governmental issues and concerns will know what is
As for the other attacks on individuals such as Katherine Baltavick, Mary-Jo and others, we can do without
those. People should keep it clean without having to make snide comments. If you don't like someones ideas or
presentations you can express your opinions without nastily attacking them. Constructive criticism it one thing, nastiness
I try to respect others opinions no matter who they are or what they are or what they do but not when
they are attacking individuals just because they feel they need to show their ignorance towards others. What that shows
me is their insecurities within themselves.
I read the mission statement of this blog and I don't see where it
says it was intended to make derogatory remarks or verbally attack individuals.
Let's all start working for the
good of Provincetown. Take a good look at what is happening around the rest of the world. How fortunate are we to be
living in such a wonderful place!
12:14 pm edt
Check out the lengthy post about water.
notice it cites "yearly water use"..
missing is the daily water use, from May to the Nov.
if you keep reading , the blogger writes:
"According to DPW folks we do over pump our wells at the high points in the summer time. However we also just
inked an agreement finally for a backup well field with Truro. "
Funny how this sounds insignificant.
but its not. How many days of the year do we pump more than 850,000 gallons per day?
Tell the truth. How does a back
up well change that? it doesn't.
Green Line BACK to BLACK!
12:13 pm edt
Heard the BOS is sending the GREEN LINE BACK TO BLACK. Wonder how much this all cost the town. First one
NOT SO STRAIGHT green line. Then it was painted BLACK and another green line painted. Then now it is going to
be painted BLACK. Hmmmmm, and Katherines gallery is going to suffer because she did this without considering the entire
town. Shame on you Katherine. We should make you pay the town workers for all the trouble you have caused.
And think of the energy that the BOS could have spent on real issues. Where was Bob Sanborne on all this? Hiding
in his office at his guest house?
12:03 pm edt
Is there a place on the towns web site that lists all apartments, studios, efficiencies that have a certificate by the
town that states they have been inspected and safe to rent? I have a friend that wanted to rent something down near
the coast guard station. Dont know if it is legal? How do I tell? I do not really want to call the town
and find out, but the lady that owns it says it is legal? I am sure you all will tell me to have her show me
the inspection certificate, but is that the only way to tell, or does the town LIST ALL rooms that have been inspected on
a site? (Like you can see the minutes of all the licenses on the licensing boards web site)
Development and Water
To Building Moratorium
12:01 pm edt
Correct. No other Cape town faces this need to "economize" it water supply year
after year while at the same time handing out new building permit after permit. Permits put in the queue. Right,
how many of these were there last year? Why control one and only "control" the other on paper? Senseless
To Water Usage:
Your figures from the town website regurgitate "numbers"
first chewed by town officials who, and I think this is pretty safe to say, may have hidden agendas. Strict reg. after
reg., study after study, numbers after numbers, ABSOLUTELY no swimming pools being filled, etc., etc. Are you going
to tell the boys at the Boathouse they'll be having Tea Party around an empty cement hole this summer because, ABSOLUTELY,
no pools? Do you really think half of this stuff is ever even done? If so, where is the data? Not the end
report, the data? The Water Report for 2009 is not even available for review and it's almost June. Haven't they
figured their figures right yet?
You admit a possible 25% margin of error and then proclaim an actual water surplus.
Again, looks good on paper. I for one, question, substantially less water usage due to "green" toilets
by the town last year than in 1996, and you should too.
If future water concerns aren't enough of
a reason for a building moratorium, how about the fact that population is declining, the HS is closing, town has no money
to support present infrastructure costs let alone new construction costs, i.e., (roads) etc., environmental damage from clear
cutting and new septic systems that are not required to town hook up, police escorts for prefab housing, new street signs
that get knocked over by oversized construction vehibles, etc., etc. Come on. Get serious. Enough is enough
or the question remains. Whats in it for you?
11:57 am edt
FACT: Most town people who water lawns and wash cars have a well. This is a legal practice. Well water in Provincetown
is not potable (drinkable) water.
Monday, May 10, 2010
10:17 pm edt
If we won't let her have the green line, may I suggest painting her hair green and running up and down the street screaming
"follow the self-serving gallery owner! follow me!" The people have spoken about the green line.
I Was Driving Into Town Tonight and Realized These Dunes Are Not Dunes
10:16 pm edt
They are simply dirt piles. As the beach grass grows, it is grown on piles of dirt curving upwards to the sky. But don't
think of these majestic sweeps as dunes. No, not at all. They are illustrative dirt hills, dirt sweeps and a delight for Conservation.
We live and are bounded by dirt. No problem what happens to them. Dirt is dirt.
Dunes? Well, they
Thanks Conservation Commission for clarifying a dune and dirt. You are exceptional biologists and
scientists. E.O. Wilson is now looking to use our dirt piles for his further studies of ants. Ants love dirt. Dunes? Well,
that's another story.
Re: Water, Water Everywhere
Sounds like the sharp tongued Michelle speaking up about all the wonderful thing the town is doing to protect our fragile
ecosystem... thanks for the information MC
10:12 pm edt
Town Web Site
10:11 pm edt
Kudos to the Town of Provincetown on its new web site. WOW, what a difference. The only negative is not in design
but in the continuing tardy minutes from many important town boards like Water/Sewer, Health and others. HDC has really improved
though with minutes very current.
Sears Kit Houses
10:10 pm edt
While I can sympathize with your point of view the historic district doesn't just protect floaters or their peers.
It also protects structures that are of their time and place which a Sears kit house surely is. We've somewhat arbitrarily
drawn as to age of protected structures but so be it. Try this; what if in 1890 people had said "who could possibly want
to protect those old places hauled over from the Point"?
In 100 years a kit house may be every bit as interesting
to people walking through town as a floater is today.
10:06 pm edt
Less than 500 voted recently and less than 200 were at the last town meeting. It s misleading to state that less than
20 percent represent how the 'majority' feels. Quite the opposite as the majority feel disenfranchised by town government
and don t even bother showing up at town meeting or voting.
10:03 pm edt
I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, pun intended, but here are the water facts:
Daily Average Water
1996: 1,144,686 gallons
2009: 722,740 gallons
Source: town web site/water
department/water usage report
So, on an average daily basis our town is using only 63% of the water that was used
in 1996. This is up slightly from the lowest year which was 2007.
Our DEP permit is for 850,000 gallons a day.
According to DPW folks we do over pump our wells at the high points in the summer time. However we also just inked
an agreement finally for a backup well field with Truro.
Additionally we've received federal money to improve
the water system by going after leaks which some guesstimates put at up to 25% of total water usage disappearing in leaks
in bad connections from houses to town pipes.
As users join the sewer system they also become very water use conscious
and this will lead to a further drop in demand from these properties.
Looking forward, with a few very simple
measures we can further decrease our water use, things like:
1) Proactive enforcement of summer watering ban (I see
lawns all over town being illegally watered but I'm not calling my neighbors).
2) Requiring all guest houses and rental
houses to display signage encouraging conservative water use by visitors
3) Requiring properties being inspected for
rentals to have flow restricting shower heads and sink taps
4) Changing the building code to require Water Sense or
equivalent standard in all new plumbing fixtures. (example I decreased water use 60% by replacing three old toilets with updated
5) Proactive near real time notification by email of rental, hotel, guest houses, restaurants when water pumping
is hitting the red zone so they can take measures to trim back water use.
Based on the data up top it is almost
impossible to argue that new building is stressing our water system/supply. What is stressing it is peak visitor influx and
that comes down to hotels, guest houses, rental properties. People who buy and don't rent out have negligible impact on the
water supply and are far outweighed by the decreased water use as the year round population departs or passes on.
This is not to say building should be allowed anytime or anywhere but it is to say that to base your argument on the claim
we are running out of water is false.
Fact based rebuttals welcome.
- not a town employee, etc.
9:59 pm edt
I remember when there was a building moratorium! Now it is overbuild and don't look back. Cram the folks into
as many units as possible and make the parking spaces as small as possible. There is a water shortage: where else are people
banned from washing cars and watering gardens every single summer for decades?
Growth Management Bylaw
9:07 am edt
Actually, the folks that are concerned about our water supply are asking good questions.
unfortunately, the selectmen
saw fit to add to the Growth Management Bylaw gallons last year....significantly. why? because they are dying to get more
properties onto the sewer, which thanks to the economy, is under utilized. its a great carrot...."Hook up to the sewer
and expand your business".
it was an odd thing to do, right before they got into the big fight with truro.
currently, we have enough water in the winter. but from May to Sept , we pump more than we are legally allowed
and that......is a fact.
all that water we just bought from truro is not to get us MORE water,
its to allow for a back up, or redundant source.
kind of like hauling a truck behind your car everywhere you go
just in case your car fails.
very expensive. questionable approach financially.
Sunday, May 9, 2010
Water Water Everywhere
11:59 pm edt
To the blogger who insists the town stop any and all construction because of lack of water, you should familiarize yourself
with the Growth Management By-Law (it can be found on the town website). The by-law limits growth by gallons allocated
to categories. The yearly allocations are revisited yearly by the selectmen at a public hearing which apparently you
fail to attend.
The town does not allow unlimited growth. There are yearly limits which are based on factual
water data. Once the gallons for a specific year are determined and placed in each category, anyone can apply for a
building permit where extra gallons are needed whether it be an additional bedroom or a new structure. Once the gallons
for that particular year are used up new permits are put in a queue for future development.
Also, gallons can
be returned to the 'pool' when they are no longer needed such as removal of a bedroom in a structure or if a restaurant were
to become a residence (note the old Flagship).
If you feel there are too many gallons being handed out, maybe
you should attend the public hearing. The hearings are always posted in the paper and if you call the Community Development
office, they could even tell you the time of year they are voted on.
To: Prospective Home Owner
10:53 pm edt
This blog contains the rants and raves of a small segment of our population. We have been having out own little Tea
Party here. But when the people really speak at Town Meeting or at the polls, the voters do not endorse the viewpoints expressed
When is a Dune Not a Dune?
10:52 pm edt
When some dunes come in front of Conservation Commission. Seems some dunes are dirt piles and other dunes are
dunes. How odd. So when is a sand dune, sand and when is a sand dune, dirt? You'd think that Conservation would want to preserve
dunes and not turn some of our dunes into dirt. But some dunes are dunes and some dunes are dirt. Who is a dune exeprt? And
who is a dirt expert?
10:51 pm edt
What constitutes an historic structure? We all know its a floater from the point, or a stick built house
or a ground up constructed post and beam but, how can a Sears and Robuck Kit house (even though it's over fifty years of age)be
considered historic. What's historic about a house built from a kit where all you have to do is put it together
by matching the numbers. Several houses in the historic district are Sears homes. I suppose fifty years from now the
modular homes that have been trailered in(and there are a few) will be considered historic as well.
Ranch on Commercial Street
10:49 pm edt
"Went by it today. Has it gone downhill the last few years, yes. The manager really doesn't
care much about it, and the owner, who happens to own another guest house (which is up-kept very nicely) looks at the ranch
as a cash cow and feels people only stay there for obvious reasons (if you know the ranch clientele, then it is obvious
they dont care about what the place looks like).
The owner is also a chair on a town board. Nothing
for nothing, but he should be held to higher standard?"
Well, if that was the case, George Bryant served on boards on the cape and P-Town, and look at his property).
And if every person that was on a board had to be held to a higher standard, then nobody would be sitting on town boards.
Bottom line, it is his property and he can do anything he wants. It is sad what it looks like. What can
10:45 pm edt
Water concerns are legitimate and serious. Common sense dictates town officials must implement an immediate moratorium
on all new construction. Any other Massachusetts towns currently faced with the same overdevelopment and corresponding
water shortage issues have taken this important step and rightfully so. Yet Provincetown officials continue to stick
their heads deeper and deeper in the sand and promote more and more new construction when it is obvious natural resources
are insufficent to accomodate? Why can't these people see what is going to happen to this town if they don't do something
to stop it now? There has to be an underlying reason these developers are allowed to dig their claws into this town
and build multi-family complexes when there is absolutely no need and every reason to prohibit it. Something is wrong
here, very wrong at the town official/permitting level. If there was ever a town that needed to stop overdevelopement
Provincetown is it. Yet no one!
in town hall can see this? Even someone looking in can see this 100%.
10:42 pm edt
To Build, Build, Build and when there is no more room, build more anyway, go up.
This is the town's
mantra. What will be the water situation in 20 years? Has anyone bothered to even think that far ahead. There
isn't enough now and building continues unbridled to line the pockets of the few.
10:40 pm edt
Don't let this blog scare you off. I've been a reader and occasional contributor since early on in this thing's
existence. I too was terribly bummed out by the blistering hatred, ignorance, illiteracy and paranoia often displayed by a
subset of contributors. However when I learned more about these folks I came to feel sorry for them. They've wrecked their
lives, some are financial failures, some have drinking problems, some burn things down to get out from under debt, some use
this to get at their fellow elected officials in a manner that wouldn't otherwise be acceptable, others destroyed their own
jobs and blame the town for it. These folks previously were restricted to mumbling their age old gripes to others at a bar
but now they have unrestricted access to a public anonymous forum and they use it. If you go back and scan several years of
posts you'll see the same dead horses beaten time and time again by what are obviously the same folks. I find it amusing the
check the p!
osting times and the really bitter stuff comes out after ten at night, I'd wager after a few cocktails.
Fortunately there is also a portion of the readership that bothers to learn the facts and rebut these bitter individuals.
Others take the time to use their energy on town committees or public take a stand on an issue. These are the folks that get
things done in this town. Others then anonymously tear them down.
If you look back over the past few years you'll
see common themes amongst the malcontents:
- despise anyone who has a full time job with benefits, particularly town
- generally despise gay/lesbian folks being in any position of power (see Pier, Town Manager, and others)
- really despise people who have a brain and use it, again particularly town employees
- will simultaneously decry
the decay of town facilities while screaming against any increase in revenue for the town
- irate at anyone who made
money elsewhere and dares to come to town and buy a property here
- irate at anyone who dares take a vacation in winter
time that exceeds a week, this apparently then disqualfies the person from ever being involved in the town
general you'll also see some well deserved angst over:
- decline in full time population
- decline in affordable
housing and explosion in proeprty prices over the past 15 years
- increasing cost of taxes and other public services
now that the state insists we actually don't put crap into the bay, pick up our trash and since the town has decided to actually
try to catch up on a long backlog of deferred maintenance.
- aging of the Cape in general and decline in families ability
to survive on the Cape
- increasing isolation in non-peak months
- fewer and fewer places open over the winter
as a result of all of the above
So, don't let this blog get you down, go out and meet real people that will be
your friends and neighbors. You'll find many people worth knowing.
If you want to be concerned about concrete
issues I'd be watching things like the unfunded $64 million the town faces for employee retirement benefits, decay of town
streets, continued well above inflation increases in energy costs, health costs, etc. for town government. It is inevitable
that our (compared to similar MA valued towns) low taxes will rise substantially over the foreseeable future. Also, the tiny
portion of the population that shows up for town meeting and votes is worrisome. Though I've been very impressed with the
decsions they've made it bothers me that such a tiny percentage of the population makes the major decisions due to lack of
All that said, I'm happy I bought here and happy to spend a good portion of the year here. Join
the fun, you'll be blogging away in no time at all!
9:58 pm edt
Re: Liz Carney's statement that some of the signers of her petition
have expressed their anger.
call a spade a spade. Many of the signers of the petition have made
downright mean and insulting comments that are aimed
at individuals, not the
green line. I hope they are proud of themselves. They are showing everyone what
really made of. I was surprised to hear such abusive, disrespctful
vitriol from neighbors. People I know.
amounts to bullying. People get pretty brave with their words when they are
functioning as a mob.
Re: Posting Against Mary Jo Has the Scent of Low Couture
3:21 pm edt
Mary Jo has done many good things for this town and has given of her time and
energy. Couture's remarks to MaryJo
at the last Pier Copr meeting was itself
disrespectful and spiteful. Couture has brought little to her position as Chair
and she failed as leader to bring the BOS together as a solid, active team of
players. She is divisive and her
actions and words towards MaryJo show Couture's
real inner core--not nice at all! Frog Pond Scum.
Ranch on Commercial Street
3:14 pm edt
Has anyone else noticed what an eyesore the Ranch on commercial street
has become? when are they going to
put a lick of paint on it?
Build, Build, Build
3:10 pm edt
Someone wrote this previous statement:
27-31 Bangs Street
Quote: "The pics posted here of
Bangs Street do not look that bad. I wonder what
the new project at55 West Vine will look like. 7 multi family structures
1.2 acre lot of which 1/6 th is set aside for toads opposite bayberry farm will
contain maybe 14
to 21 bedrooms sounds dense but the density of two other
developments in the area,one accross from the proposed
and the other being Cape
Tip not to mention the meadows, the Dunes, the condo's at Victors, Harbor Hill
condos at the tennis courts seem to have set the precedent for this to
be done. It's all OK with me as long as our water
supply is ample to handle all
the units without compromising the usage of the town". End Quote.
Can the town's water supply handle future development as stated above? Did we
not just have to pay thousands
of dollars to Truro to purchase water. So, the
philosophy is as long as we have the water we can build, build,
we be looking to the future and conserve for a rainy day? How much more
undeveloped land that
can still be developed is left and what areas are they in?
Can they be further subdivided? We still have
yet to see the 90 Shank Painter
Road Project and Mr. Malone will be looking to further develop Nelson's. This
constitutes more water usage or have these figures already been factored in.
Just because we purchased/leased
land from Truro for water does it mean we can
continue to develop every inch of land remaining? I try to look
to the future.
We still have very young children who, hopefully will continue to live in
have we and I would not want them to end up with a water
shortage years from now.
3:06 pm edt
As a business owner, I sent people down to the gallery district yesterday.
Guess what? One comment
said They thought commercial street was a 2 way street
now. Another comment was cars were able to park on
one side of the line. And
yet another comment was that the new bike path seemed awful wide.
No one made
a comment about "walking the line".
I still question the other galleries
NOT in the East End. Doesn't seem fair.
And not only are there "other" businesses in the
East end that the line isn't
promoting, that isn't fair either.
This line was NOT well thought out.
I do hope people go to the BOS Monday night and speak out on this.
The Green Line
3:03 pm edt
On the etition to Remove the Green Line
3:02 pm edt
A previous post asks why the other East End galleries have been so quiet on the
issue of the green line.
I can assure you that many East End residents, artists
and gallery owners are quite concerned. Long standing leaders
Provincetown arts community are signing the petition. I hope that it is well
written and does not
level harsh criticisms against any individuals. My
intention is merely to ask that the line be removed until a
true community wide
discussion can be held regarding the the use of public space for arts marketing
Alterations of public space such as our streets beg us to devote
great time and care to public process. It's not
simple, but most good things
aren't quick solutions. Great marketing and promotion of the arts that is
of all of us - not dividing east from west or leaving some feeling
excluded - is not only possible, but I am sure we
could become the envy of many
arts communities with our collective creativity. Site Speci!
hand painted banners by local artists, flags at each
gallery. These are just my suggestions. Imagine if
we had 268 (the number of
people who have signed the petition thus far) people offering their ideas. It
happen over night, but I can guarantee the product would be rich and
sophisticated and something to get behind.
Last week I asked to be included in the small committee that was formed to work
on the "re-branding"
of Provincetown as an arts destination." This is a
committee of 3 galleries with help from Bob Sanborn
of the Visitor Services
Bureau. I was told by a member of the committee that they "doubt I would have
any interest in business meetings on slogans, decals, postcards and
advertising." It was said that "If
you really want to get involved, there are
all the boards who need volunteers and members to sit on town boards."
unfortunate as I have worked on many community arts projects and would very much
like to be involved on
their committee and I believe I could provide some
assistance. From my experience as a member of the Boston Cultural
the Office of Arts and Tourism and my role on the Boston Redevelopment
Authority's arts review board,
as well as being the creator of my own public art
pieces I feel I have something to contribute. Also, I am summer
dent for 37 years and a year round resident for the past two.
What I have learned over the years
is that public process protects communities
from being torn apart when a public project is ill received as is the case
the green line. Since roads were first created we have come to depend upon the
predictability of markings
on our streets. Re-paving is one thing, but it is
not a good idea to alter the visual integrity of a street. In
fact the Federal
Highway Administration has very serious guide lines about what you can put on a
We need to protect our public streets from being turned into
billboards for commercial ventures. Public streets
are not unlike meadows and
forests which need to be protected. They are sacred and a critical part of our
visual landscape. There's much more I could say on the matter of safety,
aesthetics and historic preservation,
but I have gone on too long as it is.
I'll reserve some for Monday night's meeting.
Lastly, some of
the people who have signed thus far have expressed their anger
in the petition but I hope people will see the
bigger picture. That we are 268
people that care immensely about the visual integrity of Provincetown. I hope
you will take a moment to read my petition and I sincerely thank all of you for
doing so whether you sign or not.
Liz Carney, artist and resident of the East End
Re: Mary-Jo Avellar
2:59 pm edt
Mary-Jo Avellars term of service has ended. Thank you for your service. Lets
bring in the mainsail and move on.
Enough about harping about the Provincetown Public Pier Corporation (Pier
Corp."), where her husband worked
and is no longer employed.
Enough about her husbands cousin (Thomas Steele), who filed a lawsuit against
town. Town records reflect this lawsuit was settled last year when he was
promoted to the position of Sergeant of the
Police Department, days after he
reported a missing firearm.
Enough about her lack of moral ethics, including
the grandstanding she did at
the special meeting of the Board of Selectmen, where Ms. Avellar alleged
about her husbands former employer. Her diatribe was in violation of
Massachusetts General Law, which prohibits public
officials from participating
in the discussion of any issue where there may be a conflict of interest.
Avallars course of conduct is consistent with her past. Town records reflect
she applied for an administrative position
with the town in 2005 in an effort to
secure medical insurance for herself and her spouse. The position was ultimately
appointed to current Assistant Town Manager David Gardner.
One of the allegations Ms. Avellar made against
the Pier Corp. was the length of
time it has taken them to respond to recommendations made 20 months ago by the
Towns Finance Committee.
Members of the Pier Corp. confirmed many of the recommendations have been
an admirable accomplishment given the length of time the town has
taken to address other issues in a timely fashion
under Ms. Avellars watch,
including the following:
Repaving of Commercial Street: Not yet done.
Firehouse Restoration: The project is not yet completed, although this valuable
town asset has remained in disrepair
for over a decade.
Town Hall Restoration: This project is not yet completed, although this historic
is one of the towns most precious assets; the renovation project has
taken over 24 months.
This project is also not yet completed, although it has
been underway for over four years, reflecting that things take
Mary-Jo Avellar has left the room. Finally, so has the hot air.
2:57 pm edt
What is it with this town that precedents become the law of the land? Can't a
precedent be wrong?
Obviously, it can.
2:53 pm edt
Yes this is reflective of what Provincetown is like and yes you should
make due consideratiosn before making a
financial investment - there are times
when i regret mine and wonder if it was a wide decision - Provincetown has a
to offer but sadly a lot to take away as well - the stewards of the town will
rarely protect what you worked
hard to earn
Saturday, May 8, 2010
27-31 Bangs Street Property Abutter
11:58 am edt
What does the abutter's property look like today with all the rain?
It will be interesting to see the affects
of erosion on the property.
I hope pictures are taken.
27-31 Bangs Street
11:41 am edt
The pics posted here of Bangs Street do not look that bad. I wonder what the new project at55 West Vine will look like.
7 multi family structures on the 1.2 acre lot of which 1/6 th is set aside for toads opposite bayberry farm will contain
maybe 14 to 21 bedrooms sounds dense but the density of two other developments in the area,one accross from the proposed
and the other being Cape Tip not to mention the meadows, the Dunes, the condo's at Victors, Harbor Hill and the condos at
the tennis courts seem to have set the precedent for this to be done. It's all OK with me as long as our water supply is ample
to handle all the units without compromising the usage of the town.
11:39 am edt
Regarding the green line: I agree with the person who commented on the unfortunate situation we have now with local
artists publicly trashing the good intentions and taste of other local artists.
The polite and tasteful thing
to do is just say "No, thank you."
11:38 am edt
To answer your question - Provincetown is the most wonderful place in the world. Yes, you see alot of back and
forth on this blog with issues and like any community we fight it out. Don't let anything deter you from buying a place
here - it will be the best money you ever spent and the most wonderful community to live in. Buy the place the minute
you fall in love with it.
11:37 am edt
Re: According to Ms. Baltivik's statement yesterday on WOMR there are only 3 galleries out of over 70 that formed this
committee that had asked the BOS for their permission to do the green line concept. Unbelievable that all the rest of us-the
arts community including galleries and artists- have this in our face....
Without expressing an opinion
on the 'green line' I give kudos to the three galleries for trying to do something to generate business. I've tried
organzing gallery owners as a group to get some promotions going on in town and most are unwilling to do anything except complain
how bad business is.
11:36 am edt
Are you serious? Provincetown is no different than any other community in the US except for the fact that we have
a much larger percentage of gay people living here. Peoples concerns are no different here.
11:35 am edt
I drove down the GREEN LINE and WALKED the GREEN LINE. Looks stupid. Looks ugly. And with the first
green line painted over, you now have a black line, green line, broken street from the sewer, WHAT COULD GET WORSE?
Katherins Baltiviks gallery I hope you are ashamed of what you have done. What about all the art galleries in
the center of town and the West end of town? Why were they not considered? And how about the restaurants that
are not on the commercial street? How are people suppose to find them? And all the other business in town that
are not right in the middle of town? Why not a line to al the guest houses? As a business owner that sends 20
120 people a day to the East end gallery district, you just lost all those people, as I plan on telling people that
everything ends at Pearl street. I have talked to other business owners around me, and they all agree, they will not
be sending business your way either. Ms Baltivik, you are very self serving an!
d you should be ashamed of what
you have done. I just hope you have not hurt the other galleries near you. I wonder why they are all being
Is This What Provincetown is Really Like?
Before we make a financial investment Is this what Provincetown is really like?
11:33 am edt
Don't be disheartened
and don't let a few bad eggs sway your decision. The one underlying thing about Provincetown is that everybody is passionate,
in part because everybody cares about the town, just from different perspectives. Unfortunately, what may be jumping
out at you on this blog is a few (perhaps 20) bloggers that focus on one issue over and over and over again, and tend to focus
on it from a critical or negative perspective. I would not base my decision to move here on this blog, because this
is the anonymous minority that is not always logical, and tends to be very negative. Rather, I would talk to people
in the streets to get a true perspective. Most people came here because of their love for the town. At the end
of the day, the blog is simply noise.
11:32 am edt
So you've heard of the "Bangs St." project. According to town legal counsel in a public article,
all units are completely legal. Don't forget your bathing suits. In a year or so you may even have use of a nice inground
pool downhill once drainage from septic gets flowing.
8:24 am edt
I don't mind the Green Line although I would have preferred it be the color of town hall which was suggested in an earlier
However, I think that if we( the merchants, galleries, residents etc) wanted more business and tourists,we
could do several things,
1) Close Commercial Street to vehicular traffic for several hours on Saturday and Sunday
during the high season( Obviously abutters and deliveries would have access). If that happened, folks wouldn't need
a green line. People could meander as they pleased without fear of being hit by a car or a wrong way bike. If Times Square
can do it-so can Provincetown. Just try it as an experiment one Saturday or Sunday and only for several hours eg 1p-3p and
see if people like it.
2)repave Commercial Street so you don't have to look down when you walk for fear
of stepping in a pot hole. When you don't have to look down , you can look around and see some of the interesting places and
people around you.
Any other constructive suggestions besides eliminating the Green Line( and trashing its creators)
would be a welcome sight here.
8:22 am edt
When referring to art I believe the saying is "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". What one perceives
as art another might think it is not. Let us not criticize those for thinking they were doing something positive for
the ARTS! Everyone is entitled to their opinion and constructive criticism is not a bad thing but let's not get nasty about
it. We all have to live in the same community.
8:21 am edt
Okay so you're saying because people don't live in Provincetown that their opinion about this disgusting green line
doesn't matter? I smell ignorance. Who the hell do you think funds this place? People from out of town.
8:20 am edt
Congratulations to the blogger calling out Mary Jo and her antics, she is self serving and always will be. She and Duane
are made for each other. She has been a "leader" and I use that term loosely for our community and looked where
her leadership has led us. She only decided not to run again so she can get her real estate commission from the land that
"we" the taxpayers just bought for open space.
Just wait and see Grassy and his girlfriend who live
in TRURO not Provincetown are one year bench warmers. Mary Jo will be back again and for all the wrong reasons! She should
move to Canada with her step child and live off some other community for a change. She failed at the RED INN, she failed at
the Advocate and she has been the worst selectperson this town has ever had. John Snow is probably rolling over in his grave,
she is a sham, always was and always will be!!!
8:18 am edt
My partner and I have been looking at purchasing property in Provincetown for quite some time now. There is one
particular piece of property that we absolutely fell in love with but when we went to inquire about it we were told someone
had made an offer and the owners had accepted. We are still looking because we love the area.
My partner and I
were in a restaurant having dinner and we couldn't help but to overhear the adjacent table talking about the town blog so
we inquired as to what that was. They told us how to access the blog so, when we went home we turned on our computer
and did just that. We read the blog.
It appears in reading the blog, there are people who seem to be disappointed
with what is going on in their neighborhoods and in the town. There seems to be a lot about this Green Line and Bangs
Street and personal attacks on individuals. Are these same groups interested in the town as a whole or only concerned about
certain areas of town.
My partner and I want to settle in a community where people in the community care about
each other and the community as a whole. Before we make a financial investment Is this what Provincetown is really like?
Setting the Bar!
8:16 am edt
Have you ever served on a board? I did for several years and did it willingly to serve and give something to the
community in which I live. While I served voluntarily, I received at times from my friends and associates nothing but criticism
and verbal abuse. My business suffered; I could only associate that with the fact I was on a board making what I thought
was the best decisions I could make for the betterment of the town in which I resided. I didn't need the condescending
attitudes I received from certain people so I opted not to continue to serve.
Anyone that serves on a board
deserves better than being chastised and criticised. If the individuals out there can find the time to criticize and
demoralize those that serve on boards think they can do better then I suggest they apply to get on a board. Let's see what
difference they can make.
Flora and Fauna
8:15 am edt
Yesterday's letter in the Banner from Mr. Minsky stressed the Conservation Commission's dedication to preserving
flora and fauna. Where was this dedication when a dune was being torn and all flora and fauna on site destroyed during
the first stages of the ongoing project pictured on this blog? Another article in the banner states an 80' buffer zone
of a wetland with no buildings allowed within this area. Why did the Commission turn it's collective head and ignore
this by-law for this project?
8:13 am edt
No one should be embarrassed or yelled at in public. Volunteer boards should be treated with respect and guided
into doing their jobs correctly. No board should be brought before the BOS just to be yelled at.
wave attenuation was removed form the original plans for the pier by the BOS because they feared a lawsuit from the waterfront
home owners in the east end. Even though they removed the attenuation, they failed to redesign the floating docks to
accommodate the wave destruction. The PPPC inherited this flawed design. And MaryJo was on the BOS at the time
and she knows full well what happened.
Friday, May 7, 2010
Setting the Bar
3:02 pm edt
We all get it, really we do. You don't like Mary Jo. It's important to set the bar low for our 'volunteers' as the other
four selectmen have done consistently. Don't embarass the volunteers, they'll feel bad. Let's just pay for the new wave attenuator
and third set flocking docks which will cost in excess of $1,000,000 and not fault them as they are volunteers.
Re: Green Line
3:00 pm edt
I stopped in to Katherine Baltivik's gallery to tell her that I did not appreciate the green line and thought
that it was very self serving. Baltivik instructed me to not look at it if I don't like it. In return I will tell
visitors and tourists to avoid the Charles - Baltivik Gallery and Sculpture Garden. So much for her great marketing
2:59 pm edt
There are 226 signatures on the anti green line petition. Of those I counted 94 by non Provincetown residents or part
time residents. I noticed several signatures by people who listed Ptown as their town of residence but I personally know do
not live here. There were also three celebrity signatures including the deceased stars Marilyn Monroe and Elvis Presley.
Re: Mary Jo's Last Days on BOS
12:31 pm edt
To the author of "Mary Jo's Last Day on BOS" I say to you: BRAVO!! Well done! I laughed until my side hurt
because I have seen her in action and you couldn't have done a better job describing her fits!!! Awesome!
12:29 pm edt
The Green Line concept wasn't lost on me. However, if you are going to ATTRACT people to the galleries, wouldn't something
ARTISTIC be smarter??? What about signs shaped like artist paint brushes, each painted a different color and positioned along
the side of the road all the way down Commercial St? They could even be placed on some of the parking meter and sign poles
to help eliminate that blight! Now that would add character and still convey the same message without being so artificially
Mary Jo's Last Day on the BOS
12:20 pm edt
I just sat through the online version of the Board of Selectmen's meeting with the Pier Corp. Or should I say Mary Jo's
tirade against the Pier Corp volunteers? What a show! How terribly sad that this woman has been allowed to behave like a spoiled
child that didn't get her way. I was half expecting to see her fling herself to the floor in a convulsing fit of anger! Several
times her pallor took on a purplish cast - was that because she was holding her breath until she turned blue? Perhaps had
she contained herself long enough to actually think before she shrieked, things might have gone better?
as it all was, I must say that I was truly impressed at the character displayed by the Pier Corp. members for not walking
out long before two of them did. Mary Jo's "slide show" er, I mean "SIDE SHOW" was beyond belief.
Picture if you will, photos of a boat that has just been lifted from the water by a crane after it capsized. Ms. Avellar was
pointing out scratches and scuffs on the boat's hull and accusing a volunteer board of misusing town property! What a spectacle
which could have been worthy of National Enquirer!
Mary Jo, may I remind you that it has been YOU that has been
a steward of ALL town property off and on for over 30 years! Let's take a look at YOUR record of mismanagement! Look at the
condition of not just Town Hall, but ALL TOWN BUILDINGS! Most of our precious town property has fallen into such a sad state
of disrepair that the town will undoubtedly have to fork over millions more to clean up the mess made by our "Miss Holier
Than Thou" - Mary Jo Avellar. Mr. Adams of Pier Corp. made a comment that was right on when he asked if we would also
be seeing pictures of Town Police and DPW vehicles. Ms. Avellar hogged the spot light for the entire meeting rudely yelling
over any one that dared to speak up, including her own board chair!
I have never been more embarrassed for a public
servant than I was after watching Mary Jo disintegrate before my eyes. Her performance would have been worthy of an award
had it not been so nasty and callous. Do they still give out Golden Plungers? If so, I can think of a truly deserving FORMER
Thank God her rein of lunacy has come to an end. I just hope that we have all learned our lesson
in the event she decides to run again! God help us all!
12:14 pm edt
I have no problem with gallery owners or any other businesses promoting their businesses in town. However, I find
it disturbing that three gallery owners were given permission from the BOS to take over a public way without knowing exactly
what the finished product would entail. We have seen "Phase 1" and we realize that it has created a traffic
hazard and is an unsightly mark upon the town. I resent being told that I am unthinking because I disagree with a pedestrian
marketing plan that directly and negatively impacts my neighborhood. If Katherine Baltivik wants to garner public
support for business advertising on public ways, she needs to be less insulting to those who have an opposing view!
Secondly, this committee claims that it wants to rebrand Provincetown as an arts destination. Wouldn't that
require a ton marketing outside of Provincetown? And isn't this type of marketing expensive? Ms. Baltivak said
that the committee hasn't yet lined up the funding to pay for the completion of the murals and the West End line. If
their goal is to benefit the town by bringing more people to town because of art, that would require a substantial sum of
money for advertising outside of Provincetown. She has never discussed how she will advertise this outside of Ptown.
I find it hard to believe that the art world will be abuzz over a green line down Commercial Street that advertises
art galleries. I don't imagine flocks of art collector coming because of our green line. I know that some people
are comparing the success of the Pilgrim Bark Park and their recent recognition in Dog Fancy Magazine - but these really are
two different ventures. The dog park was created to !
provide a pet-friendly town with a beautiful open space for dogs
to run and play - it was not trying to increase the sales of a select few private businesses.
Again, I believe
that this is a bad idea and it's unfair to the residents of the town. Attend the BOS meeting to let your voice be heard.
If you can't attend, please send a letter to the BOS and sign the on-line petition. Let the BOS know that there
are many people who are unhappy with this scheme and put a stop to it - it's unsightly and dangerous!
12:11 pm edt
I must admit I am not a fan of the green line, though I do think the concept of promoting our arts community is a good
I went to the online petition with the intention of signing. However, after reading some of the hateful,
hurtful, unnecessary comments left by some of the signers, I will not be adding my name to this list.
are the rude comments from local artists such as part time resident John Dowd who calls the line "cheap and obvious"
and likens the campaign to a "carnival sideshow," or Polly Burnell who uses the words "vulgar" and "tasteless."
Other local artists have chosen to post rude comments and sign their names as well. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Shouldn't the artists in town work together to promote our arts community? This sort of elitist, look-down-your-nose
snobbery isn't what Provincetown is about.
Everyone should feel free to voice their opinion and vote whatever
way they chose on issues that affect the community, but I don't think one artist calling another's ideas tasteless or tacky
is conducive to promoting Provincetown as an arts COMMUNITY.
Problems With Town Hall
11:26 am edt
To the builder with good Town Hall experiences -
Good for you - As an abutter I could not even get a call
Problems in Town Hall
11:21 am edt
I am a builder and I can say I have had good experiences in Town Hall when inquiring about what I need when applying
for a building permit. A lot of the construction work I do usually requires some type of historic review and sometimes zoning
relief. The Permit Coordinator has always been very helpful in explaining the process to me. As a matter of fact,
she repeats to me at least three times over our conversation to make sure I have all the elevations and make sure they are
dimensioned. We had a good laugh because she said she should tape record the conversation so all she would have to do is press
the button on the tape recorder becasue she says that same phrase at least 20 times a day.
She explained to me
the plans approved by zoning and historic are matched up with the plans submitted with the building permit to make sure nothing
had changed from one board to another. If I have building code questions she refers me to the building commissioner
who has always been very helpful when asking code questions.
9:22 am edt
According to Ms. Baltivik's statement yesterday on WOMR there are only 3 galleries out of over 70 that formed this committee
that had asked the BOS for their permission to do the green line concept. Unbelievable that all the rest of us-the arts community
including galleries and artists- have this in our face. Did the BOS ever ask how many galleries are on the committee. Answer
to that is -NO they didn't. It looks like it was pretty much a done deal before February 22 BOS meeting where is was presented
by Ms. Baltivik and the other two on the committee who by the way where not present. Rumor has it they were vacationing in
The Committee: Katherine Baltivik-owner
8:43 am edt
What about changing the neon green to the historic green color which in on our beautiful town hall? any thoughts?
Thursday, May 6, 2010
7:38 pm edt
I have never seen a person as arrogant, condescending or stubborn as
She goes on
the radio to defend her marketing plan and not once during the
interview does she (or her friend the host) mention the
words 'green' or 'line.'
If she would just stop throwing around fancy words and phrases like "rebranding"
and "invisible barriers" and LISTEN to the people who are opposed to the line,
she might actually hear
and understand that NOBODY IS AGAINST PROMOTING THE ARTS
It's that ugly neon green line
people don't like. If she would just admit she
made a mistake with the color choice and have the line re-painted a less
offensive shade of green, my guess is this whole controversy would go away.
Contrary to her belief that this
marketing plan will help her business, she is
doing some serious damage to her reputation. Pissing off the entire community
no way to endear yourself to your neighbors and certainly no way to run a
successful business. In a small town
like this word of mouth means everything.
If you anger the locals, rest assured they will spread the word to the tourists.
Good luck selling your artwork.
Problems in Town Hall
7:34 pm edt
To a large extent, we depend on the decency and intelligence of our boards and
to do their job, they need to understand the basics: Robert's rules,
the state & town regulations and the scope
of their authority.
Expecting town staff, especially the building commissioner, to follow the rules
and consistently will just disappoint you.
i have no memory of this town having a great building commissioner
Many years ago, the joke was that a developer could show a different plan to
and get away with it. In response, the boards instituted a new system
of plan numbering and made sure to reference those
numbers in the motion of
approval. That way, everyone knew which plan the board was looking at when the
Has that changed?
Lately, we hear that boards don't know how to count votes. They think a person
can be counted as abstaining when the person is not even in the room; i read in
the paper that they think a 2-1-2
vote is a fail, when it really is an approval.
At town meeting this year, Mrs. Minsky asked the chairman of our
three times, why we were voting on the general by-law about entertainment and
not discussing alcohol.
He couldn't explain it. He kept talking about a yellow
room. Finally, the audience had to answer her question.
This is sad. i lay a good portion of the blame at the feet of the current
chairman of the selectmen, who has been
in town hall over 15 years and has not
set a good example. Agendas are not clear. Rules are not followed and
seems to be the perfume of the day.
We can complain all we want but expecting an outside authority to come
clean this up is not the answer.
We get the government we deserve. And, we have.
folks get sick enough of this, perhaps they will volunteer or run for
office. We need some new faces in town hall.
3:38 pm edt
There is an atmosphere about town that corruption has run amok
and that it is based in town hall
and that it is the centered in the
Community Development Department.
This belief is engendered by the
ever increasing actions of the Building Commissioner, which
run counter to not only the town by-laws but in actual support
of developers, with the tacit approval of town management.
Something is deeply wrong in Provincetown and only outside
authorities will be able to
make the corrections that are so sorely needed.
Developers vs. Abutters
2:34 pm edt
You are so right. There is recourse however, as was shown in Truro. It just has to come in the form of a
Developers vs Abutters
12:50 pm edt
You can go to all the meetings you want but the developers know all the loopholes. So, even though you will get
a presentation showing that a project will look a certain way, the developer will come along after they get approval and change
the plans without telling abutters. The abutter only learns that significant changes have been made once the buildings
are constructed. Changes are made to plans without any further notification to abutters. Once the buildings are
up there is no recourse.
12:49 pm edt
Whoever is responsible for the idea of this should be boycotted for their incredible lack of understanding of
this community. Its the type of steamroller and self-serving attitude the town really doesn't need right now. Collectively
by petition and the board of selectman meeting on May 10, 6pm it will be changed.
Re: Green Line
10:22 am edt
In Wicked Local Today: "These are people who arent really thinking, said Katherine Baltivik, chair of
the East End gallery owners committee that developed the Walk the Line concept and co-owner of Charles-Baltivik Gallery, 432
Commercial St. Its unfortunate they have chosen to focus on just that one aspect. [The green line] is something that intelligent
people thought would rebrand Provincetown as an arts destination."
Ms. Baltivik I beg to differ. It is the "Walk the Line" committee who are not thinking. This
ill-conceived, poorly implemented plan is unsightly and dangerous to residents of Ptown. There is nothing incredibly
"intelligent" about painting a line down the street, and adding a bunch of commercial advertising. These "intelligent
people" who would like to re-brand Provincetown as an arts destination didn't really come up with an intelligent idea.
You sound like a snooty art gallery owner claiming that "people don't get art." Shame on you for being
An Intelligent Person with an Intelligent Opinion
Sign the Petition Against the Green Line
9:51 am edt
Its up to over 100 signaturess now.
Make sure you and your friends are on it too.
this to goofy idea to bed.
Until our roads are reconstructed and repaired,
attempting to use them visually , is
not an option.
its the last place we should have people looking.
Sign the Petition. Only 4 days left to the next meeting.
"It aint easy being Green"
Katherine's Baltivik Should Walk Green Line Right Out of Town!
9:31 am edt
This woman has crammed this lame "rebranding" on this town. From speaking with artists in town as well as
gallery owners -- most were not even aware it was happening. However do be aware that the ugly green line is ONLY the beginning
of her tacky misguided plan. Next will be the horrible neon yellow and green signs all over town followed by murals of lighthouses
painted all over the East End of Commercial Street. AND they plan to do a rack card -- excuse me but the town already has
2 gallery guides and the Banner and Provincetown Magazine cover the gallery scene every week. If people can't find the galleries,
it simply that they aren't interested. Let's face it, not everyone comes here to buy art.
Sign the petition to
stop this radical know-nothing woman from destroying the reputation of this town!
"Green Line" Monster
9:17 am edt
Why is it that the town is allowing really one maybe two businesses to impose their vision on public property
with such vast opposition to it?? Everyone should think about the bigger picture and what this is really about. If you look
at the BOS meetings on this it appears it was a done deal before the meeting got started.
Saving Open Space
9:16 am edt
A proposal to expand an existing housing development on the site of the former Bissell Tennis Courts off Bradford Street
has been denied.
The conservation commission unanimously rejected a plan to change the original approved development
to include six single-family homes. The original plan, approved in 2007, called for the back half of the property, which houses
four public tennis courts to be turned into six condominiums located in two buildings.
9:15 am edt
As to point #5: no construction during season. Take a look at the General Bylaws, there's a section that covers
hours of operation for construction, which is from 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. 7 days a week.
9:14 am edt
RUMOR HAS IT THAT SHARON LYNN NOT ONLY APPOINTED DOMINC FROM PARKING AS PARKING ADMINISTRATOR WITHOUT BEING ADVERTISED,
BUT SHE ALSO HAS GIVEN HIM A FREE PARKING PERMIT.... IS THIS AN ETHICS VIOLATION? FURTHERMORE, HE IS ACTING AS
PARKING LOT ATTENDANT, METER REPAIRMAN AND PARKING TICKET HEARINGS OFFICER.....
HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? WHO
IS HIS SUPERVISOR AND WHY ARE THEY ALLOWING THIS?
HE IS A PUPPET FOR SHARON LYNN.... NOW WITH HIS FREE PARKING
PASS HE CAN ILLEGALLY PARK ANYWHERE..... GOOD GOING SHARON..... CAN WE ALL GET FREE PASSES ? BAD MOVE!
SHARON, YOU HAVE SET A VERY BAD LEADERSHIP EXAMPLE... HE SHOULD PAY NON RESIDENT FEE JUST LIKE EVERYONE
ELSE HAS TO...
9:12 am edt
Join a board, join a board. Go to meetings, go to meetings. Contribute. Make a difference. Okay,
let's take the abutters meeting for the project displayed on this blog. 4 town officials bothered to take time for this
even though it had been scheduled for 2 weeks. Some people actually went to this expecting answers to their questions.
One town official didn't say one word during the entire meeting but kept his head down. One delegated who got
to ask questions and snubbed those whose questions they didn't want to deal with. One gave ridiculously obtuse answers
resulting in no questions really being answered and one kept looking at his watch and was heard saying "I've got to go".
And this one, couldn't substantiate even the simpliest of questions. Oh yes, let's not forget the selectmen sitting
against the wall knitting who left mid-meeting. When the "meeting" was called to end abutters still had their
hands in the air but their questions apparently didn't matter. B!
ut yet one must join a board to have common
sense followed in this town. Sure.
Re: Ted Malone
9:09 am edt
WHY DID HE NOT HAVE A DETAIL FOR HIS PAVING JOB AT HIS BUSINESS YESTERDAY ON RACE POINT RD. HE HAD PAVING
TRUCKS BLOCKING THE ROADWAY... THAT WAS NOT SUPPOSE TO BE HAPPENING- ZONING BOARD WHERE ARE YOU? IS ANYBODY
Town Board Members
9:08 am edt
"put their lives on hold and their livelihoods in jeopardy by sitting on these boards"
Academy Award goes to...
Are you kidding? Town boards do it because its a good buck for a little facetime.
None of these people have the good of the common folk at heart. Look at what's been happening in town and justify
it. Blatant violations. The problem is, town officials don't follow their own rules. A taxpaying citizen
shouldn't have to become a government official to have simple by-laws followed. That's the JOB of town officials. Yet
they can't do their jobs. Come on. Livelihoods in jeopardy. Lives on hold. None of these "board
members" are waiting for affordable housing but some may qualify for purchasing some really nice, well made prefab condos
(oops, I mean townhouse) units. Give me a break.
Wednesday, May 5, 2010
Sick of the Complaining!
6:55 pm edt
Why go to meetings cause they don't listen anyway? Why bother voting when they do what they want anyway? But
do sit at your computer and all day
long about how aggrieved you are about planning board decisions, conservation decisions, selectmen decisions, etc. Make
sure to write about how this town is going straight to hell because no one is doing anything to change things. Make
sure you gripe in hopes that someone else will step up and do the right thing because it's easier for you to complain than
to step up to the plate.
You think differences need to be made then JOIN a board and make a difference. You
want to change the density laws or the 'loopholes' you struggle with, then join the planning board and bring to the next town
meeting changes that will make a difference.
Face it. Some people just prefer to complain. And some
people put their lives on hold and their livelihoods in jeopardy by sitting on these boards.
Government does not
work in a vacuum. You want change, then get out there and change things.
6:14 pm edt
These guidelines were submitted by a seasoned lawyer who understands what needs to happen with the Boatworks Development.
The HDC should make no decision on the total reconstruction of the Boatworks until:
1. Approval is
granted for a brand new structure by the ZBA and the
application filed notes that the building
demolished which gives the owner _*no zoning protection*_. All
zoning requirements must be adhered to. For any
conceivable zoning protection, there must be an order by
Building Commissioner to demolish or make safe. *Reconstruction of
to be rebuilt on it's footprint is only allowed by
right for_ single and two-family_ _dwellings_ per MGL
CH 40A. *Any
new construction (again) must comply with todays
2. Planning board approval.
3. Chapter 91 approval for the new structure as they
_*voluntarily*_and without approvals demolished the structure,
they must file for a new
Ch 91 license as the state may want to
permanently remove any encroachment into state land.
An outside party needs to look at the permit issued for
construction and why the Town allowed the changes
to take place
without the applicant going back through the REQUIRED regulatory
5. No construction work should be allowed during the income season of conjoined operating Condo
until _*all necessary approvals *_are granted.
4:49 pm edt
I just read an informational booklet about Cape Cod geared toward promoting tourism for this season. Guess
which Cape town was the only one not in the book. Now, why do you think that is? Truro and Wellfleet were enticingly
presented and looked quaint. Provincetown needs no advertising, it's already known as a party town, carnival-like atmosphere.
If you want quaint, go to Chatham. If you want raunchy and cheap with a couple of galleries thrown in, go to Ptown.
For a joke. Keep letting greedy overdeveopers ruin the town like the one did with Bangs St. (and reward them while
doing it). Keep approving jammed in, cheap quality condos presented with "trickery" so these rich greedy developers
can make a quick buck while the town struggles in every way financially. Good thinking. Can't have a high school
because population is declining but build, build, build because with less people you surely need more houses and condos. Are
townspeople buying these? For $650,000.00!
a pop, I don't think so. Gunther Realty LLC will make a
cool few mill on these babies. Nothing to sneeze at and only one neighborhood got ruined to do it. No water, tough.
Drive a dirty car... but whatever you do, don't ever even consider putting a stop to this. That would make too
Important Issues? Sorry Voting Has Become a Joke Here
4:47 pm edt
The issues are done before any vote. And when votes contradict town decisions, like town employee pay raises,
they get the raises anyway. Important issues? You fool yourself.
Regarding Seasonal vs Local Workers:
1:12 pm edt
Let's be honest there are not enough locals to work all the jobs that we need done. Does anyone really have a
hard time finding work during the summer? I have owned a business in town for 10 years. I will hire any qualified
person. While it is true that I hire many of the Euro kids, I also have locals who work for me. I pay the Euro
kids the same wages I would pay any other employee. I also pay them overtime wages. This constant complaining
that "we greedy business owners" are just trying to hire cheap labor is not true. Of course there will be
those few who do take advantage of foreign labor, I would say most do not. Now stop complaining about us vs them and
go get a job! It is going to be a busy summer and business owners need help, if you are a good worker you should have
no trouble finding employment...
12:26 pm edt
Since folks are now claiming results that are inaccurate , check the town web site:
Highest vote count goes to Jim Cole, on the Library Board of Trustees with 340 votes.
Green Line Petition
10:57 am edt
There is a petition online that will be presented to the Board of Selectmen. Please go to this link
and sign. Email the Board of selectmen. Attend the May 10 meeting.
9:31 am edt
All of the posts on Shout Out against the green line aren't going to change anything unless you contact a member of
the BOS. Call or send an e-mail before we are forced to live with this ghastly line down Commercial Street for the rest
of the summer. At the April 26th BOS meeting it was clear that the BOS didn't fully understand the scope of this project.
The BOS didn't know that additional art was going to be added along the line. No one, not even the Green Line
Committee, knows what the completed line will look like because they do not have mock visual representation to show the BOS
what the finished project will look like.
The BOS is allowing it remain a "work in progress."
This is a mistake! The walk the line committee owes it to the town to show what the completed line will look like
(not just provide a vague verbal description) before doing any work that changes the landscape of the most prominent street
The next BOS meeting is May 10th at which time they will discuss this in further detail. The
BOS chair said that she has received more calls in favor of this line than against it. There are too many unknowns about
this project for the BOS to allow it to proceed. Call or e-mail and express your concerns about this line before the
May 10th meeting.
Here is link that gives contact information for the BOS:
9:25 am edt
Everyone that ran unopposed got in. Adams got the biggest vote count of all the seats, even more than Knight. Sadly,
only 408 turned out for what were important decisions to be made on the ballot questions.
You can't bitch if you
Re: Disgruntled Employee
9:23 am edt
In this town, anyone can make as much money as they want, all you have to do is work for it, show up on time with
a pleasant disposition, and do your job. This does not include, being drunk, hung over, or on any kind of drug. There is no
entitlement here. It is true that for most of us, in order to survive here we have to work 60 to 100 hours a week for 3 months,
and 40 ish for another 6 months. For most people who are here that is normal, in the real world people work all year, and
complain that they don't get enough time off. The cost of living is also much higher in places like Boston and New York, and
hourly wages are lower than here. Don't blame the foreign workers for your problems, they would not be here if we could do
all the work ourselves. And I guarantee that any "good" worker would never be replaced by a foreigner because business
owners want stability, and someone they can trust to work year after year. The first step, is to realize that you may be the
and put your energy towards improving your self, and maybe try working harder. Good luck.
9:21 am edt
I didn't vote for a school committee member--the high school is closing. I didn't vote for the owner of flyers
either. I wrote in names.
Provincetown is the biggest provider of jobs in Provincetown funded by the taxpayers.
Taxes will go up, but years down the road we will sell and cash in. There will always be people with money to buy our house;
someone just spent over a 100 million for a Picasso.
The US has more millionaires than any other country.
Tuesday, May 4, 2010
Re: Foreign Workers
11:43 pm edt
It's a subject we are all familiar with but few want to discuss. Nobody wants to be the person to "rock the boat."
Many business owners prefer to hire foreigners because they will work for very low wages that will sometimes double
with the exchange rate when they return to their own countries. Everyone is familiar with the story of the local seafood restaurant
owner who got into trouble for housing his foreign workers under inhumane conditions and refusing to pay them overtime. It
all comes down to money.
Business owners have gotten very comfortable with the current situation. Unfortunately
they are starting to resemble a bunch of fat, wealthy "plantation owners" with their (in many cases) black "slaves"
working long hours for low wages. Some employers even refer to their foreign help as "my Jamaicans" or "my
Bulgarians" implying outright ownership.
And since we are talking about race, why is it all the beautiful
young Eastern Europeans get the high paying waiter jobs when the hard working Jamaicans all end up in the kitchens and making
beds? We can all pretend it's not happening but working class town residents know the reality.
Many local "liberal"
business owners will talk loudly about equality and proudly display their Obama stickers on their expensive hybrid cars, but
it's a different story when their own money is at stake.
11:35 pm edt
WHO WON WHAT?
11:33 pm edt
Like the green line wasn't obvious enough, someone went and sprayed reflective paint on it to alert us to it's monsterous
existence at night...DUH!!!!
11:32 pm edt
Look at the empty lots as you drive down Bradford St towards Michael Shays: how long before two houses equal one
there? Drive down Court Street and look at the open land there: How long before it is two for one?
Harry Kemp way and up and down the streets in your neighborhood. Take photos now..in five years PARTS of Provincetown will
look like Hyannis. Over development in the name of growth.
11:31 pm edt
I have bought quite a lot of art in my life, and I have an extensive collection of mostly Provincetown art. I can guarantee
you one thing about my purchases, they are from the heart, and because I love this special place, for its character, and its
charm. I was horrified this past weekend to see the abomination of an ugly, disfiguring, appalling green slash across the
East end. People who buy fine art will not be dragged to the formerly beautiful east end by a garish, honky-tonk abomination
of a green line, maybe it will bring tour-buss people down, to spend there allotted $7.99, but not fine art, and it will turn
off those of us who do. And since we know Ms. B. is behind it, I can guarantee that I will never be a customer of hers, nor
will my many, many collector friends.
The Bldr...4 Houses:
11:29 pm edt
Sorry buddy, you saw wrong. There are only 2. Yeah, we know what you "saw" but we don't
care. There have always been only 2 and there are now only 2. Does the word "precedent" mean anything to you?
Well, it should. It is the fiber of this town. Everybody whose anybody says so, so shut up about it. The
environment and dunes look great. I almost even saw a scrawny blade of grass today on site. It really is spring.
Hey, keep it on the down-lo (lo-down), the developer would like to sell you a bridge. Call any town board for
details at (sssshhhh) a "special" rate. Don't worry, we'll work out details later. (you know, after
the appeal process)
Re:The Builder Has Constructed 4 Houses!!!!
11:24 pm edt
It looks better than a welfare side by side duplex, Bangs Street residents should be thrilled.
11:23 pm edt
I have had my own business for nearly 15 years. I have always tried to hire locally. The last time I did, the "native"
employee was not on time once the whole season. Our non-American worker reported to work on time or early every day for the
season. American workers have disappointed us many more times than our forgein workers so I do not think the businesses should
be blamed for hiring empoyees who work hard and are more competent. It just makes sense.
11:21 pm edt
Not only does it need to be closed from here on in, a precedent needs to be set with this developer. She knew
she was building 4 under the guise of 2. Her legal counsel knew it, engineers knew it. Town officials need to
be repremanded, permits nullified and voided and 2 of these 4 (and yes, there are 4) need to be taken down, disconnected,
whatever you want to call it, and moved back out of town the same way they came in. At the very least, an immediate
stop work order is more than justified based on the neighbor's cracked foundation alone.
Today is Election Day
11:20 pm edt
I don't recall a town election in which we did not have
a single contested election.
That, my neighbors,
is something we should all be concerned about. The message goes up the food chain that we, the minions, are content.
Is that true?
I am not content with what happened at Bangs St.
I think the green line is a goof.
I think that for town employees, even a single one, to get
a pay raise when we are in the middle of the worst
recession of a life time, is a travesty.
i think to go to the ballot for $24,000 for the police dept when the town meeting
can vote to spend $350,000 on open space without a ballot vote, is totally absurd.
No. I am not content. Who shall
i vote for?
I haven't decided.
The Builder Has Constructed 4 Houses!!!!
10:52 am edt
I just went and looked at the houses being built on Bangs Street. While it may be legal, There is NO WAY! you
are going to convince me that there are 2 house there..
The builder has constructed 4 houses!!!! How did
Whatever loophole the builder slipped through, needs to be closed so this does not happen
again. This really is bull****!
10:50 am edt
In my experience with the Conservation commission, I found Dennis Minsky and the others to be dedicated and of the highest
character. They were a strong board and yet worked with me so that both parties' views and requests were respected. Brian
Carlson was the same and he worked doubley hard so that when decisions were made they were facilitated expediously. I did
not get everything I wanted but the process worked and I am grateful.
Go Out and Vote Today!
8:50 am edt
There are important fiscal issues. As far as
the selectmen positions, I will not vote for
those two uncontested
candidates. I will
be placing write in's for both seats. Do
not leave the space empty. Vote for a
in and sent a message to Knight
and Santos. I think I'd rather have
Freddie Booba and Birdcage sit next
Concerning Foreign Workers -
8:48 am edt
I worked down town for the last 8 years, the owner of the
store was required to advertise for local / usa
in order to get visas for the foreign students to work
in the store. a help wanted sign was put in the
each year, along with newspaper ads.
the owner, in 8 years had only 2 legal citizens apply !!!
the locals who recieve this bad treatment from our
store owners, i say spread the word of these places
and i am
sure things will change fast !post these
stores/restaurants and after same business name appears
over, people will stop buying there !!!!
Developers and Boards
8:47 am edt
There are no excuses for what is going on with developers and the boards here.
These boards and town officials
answer to the people of Provincetown. Yes, mistakes can happen but ONCE a developer is in violation or a stop work order
is issued - from then on in that developer needs to be WATCHED LIKE A HAWK - by the building commissioner and borards thru
any subsequent projects they initiate.
There is no excuse for a developer to get away with anything the second
time around. If they do - one needs to question what is really going on here.
8:43 am edt
I have purchased enough art that I would be considered a collector. Luckily many, most actually, of my purchases have
been made in Provincetown. Never once was I inspired to visit someone's studio, raise my paddle or cause a red dot to be put
on a wall or a price list by a green line running down the center of a street. I trust that you will not come across one person
that has. No matter how extensive a collection that they have.
8:42 am edt
Does anyone else see the contrast: In one week the school committee announces that it is closing the school and
in the same week a green line is painted down the center of Commercial Street.
The school isn't the heart and
soul of the town; a school is where students learn. It is commercial Street and the wharf that is the center of this town
and the businesses that keep the town running. The business of Provincetown is business.
8:40 am edt
Re: "At another place in town, the foreign worker was able to return this year, so the taxpaying American
was kicked out to do menial work while this person was given the plum position."
Pretty sure there is more to this 'story' than what you are relaying. Who's the best worker? Generally
the 'plum jobs' go to the best workers. My experience with American vs foreign is that all things being equal, the foreign
workers usually are willing to work harder.
Two sides to every story and we've only heard your version.
8:39 am edt
"Green Line" Amazing that most of us have to put up with this stupid, selfish and greedy adventure because
of a few galleries and museum. Unbelievable, but everyone should be at the meeting May10 at 6pm because numbers do count.
They and the BOS will be surprised by the number of people who show up in opposition.
Monday, May 3, 2010
8:30 pm edt
I doubt the Board of Health is capable of performing an intelligent act like closing down illegal housing. Although,
Mr. Carlson, who has an excellent proven track record with the Conservation Commission (Bangs St.) is working for the Board
of Health too so I may be wrong. Your friend should make the call if he isn't too afraid. What's stopping him?
It's a toll free number in Boston (and it's anonymous). If he doesn't, someone else may get so fed up they will. It's
just a matter of time before some poor worker hits the limit and brings these illegal workers and those feeding this disfunctional
system down. The quicker the better.
Anger Over Foreign Job Takeover
7:40 pm edt
My friend is furious that his boss told him that he won't need him in the "high season" because he has these
foreign workers coming here. Meantime, he relies on his American worker to clean the rooms etc.
At another place
in town, the foreign worker was able to return this year, so the taxpaying American was kicked out to do menial work while
this person was given the plum position.
BEWARE: ATTENTION: This displaced worker wants to call the immigration
authorities on the restaurants etc. who are paying their workers under the table. He just paid $5,000 in taxes while these
people are working under the table.
They have illegal housing that the board of Health will close down etc. Look
Out all of you guest houses and restaurants. My friend has nothing to lose. Too bad you are so greedy.
7:38 pm edt
At a restaurant on Saturday night I heard fellow diners say that the closing of the school will be more emotional
for the parents than for the students.
The green line has received mountains of attention. Meanwhile, our last
high School closes and there is nothing on the blog about it for days it seems.
The high school is peripheral
to the lives of the residents who are concerned about their jobs and the cost of living here and making a living.
True fact: anger over foreigners coming here and taking jobs.
Bangs St. Wrong Direction
7:36 pm edt
I don't like the direction these criticisms are heading. Flies have feelings too and these are possibly on the near
extinction list. The Conservation Commission should contract a study to analyse and, if necessary, protect these flies. After
all they will belong to Gunther Realty and, so far, every other living thing they were responsible for have been has been
amply protected. Uh, yeah, well some small things occasionally slip through the cracks.
7:35 pm edt
Just a question! I would like to know who's dumb idea the Green Line was. To see the line painted two times
was and is a waste of money. Also, I think we are going to have a big accident one day becouse the Green Line makes
Commerical Street look like it is a two way street. WRONG>
Speak Out About the Green Line on Facebook
7:34 pm edt
There's a page called "help us remove the neon green line down commercial street". It already
has over 200 supporters. These are real people with their full names and personal comments, many of whom are willing
to have their name and comment read at the May 10th Board of Selectmen meeting!
7:32 pm edt
If you keep up this voter fraud, you may be asked to walk your own personal green line, out of town. Everyone in town
knows what you are doing, and mention of the vote in the banner may not be the one you want.
Flies and Bangs St.
3:46 pm edt
Sad but true. Will green flies be on the menu? If so, maybe Michelle and her "troops" can
have a meeting and paint a big, stupid green line going down Bangs St. Extension so people can find them. It wouldn't
be any worse than what town officials let go up.
3:44 pm edt
These developers work together as well oiled machines. Check your town's assessors maps online on the town's
website. Go to Assessors Dept. and click on Maps on the left. This property here is Map 13-2 Parcel44. Look
across the poor little Bangs St. Extension and Note parcel 13-2-4 because that what Ted Malone owns now. He is just
waiting for Ms. Mencher to open the door wide so he can waltz right in, connect Willow St. to Bangs St. and deliver 50 (I
mean 25 connected with pieces of toilet paper) units with 1 affordable one thrown in to insure approval. Water shortage
or not, he's coming. If there isn't enough water and they let 8 bedrooms on 1/4 acre they can jam 35-50 on an acre,
easy. The Bldg. Inspector didn't even bother to climb the hill to see the damage at the neighbors? He didn't
even know about the damage. What was he inspecting? The layperson could see it from a distance. All the non-competents
who approved this should be fired and pay fines to boot!
. Where's the required green space? According to
Maxine Notaro at the sad excuse for a meeting, it's the parking lot. Since when is a parking lot a green space? Check
your own By-laws Ms. Notaro. Gravel and pavement aren't "green" and if you think they are, you need to go
back to school with Mr. Braun to catch up on your own laws.
1:50 pm edt
#1- The green line- Ever think that the reason people stop walking as it turns into the gallery district is because
they have no interest or not enough disposable income to visit there? Do you actualy think people with money and taste
couldn't find the place where the art is sold if they were in the market for art. Don't think many visitors have thousands
of descretionary dollars to buy a painting on inmpulse.
#2 Bangs Street- Go to town hall and look at the application
where the math is shown re scale. If the average size of the permitted buildings is around 1500 sq ft the math was done
for 4 buildings, not 2. If the math shows around 3000sq ft per building, then the calculations were counting 2 buildings.
Though it doesnt explain the ConsComm decisions, its a simple way to see if the applicant was trying to pull a fast
one on hte building dept.
1:46 pm edt
"Can someone tell us if an affordable housing developer is the buyer and develops the property under 40B how
many units would they be entitled to?"
So that would make two, possibly three guest houses/hotels no
longer provide lodging. Will have a negative impact on the room taxes collected in town, definitely not a good omen
for our town. As the guest houses/hotels disappear in town it will definitely affect our tourism economy.
Ignorance vs. Stupidity
1:45 pm edt
I think everybody knows what stupidity is. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. As with the majority of the citizens
of Provincetown I must confess to ignorance with the subject of town government. The town officials have taken great efforts
to promote this ignorance as it is of much value to them personally to keep the secrete deals quiet. This is not aimed specifically
at the present administration because it has been bred into us to accept the decisions of town government often without question.
Ive received a property tax invoice from the Town of Provincetown. Why is the mailing address a P.O. Box in Medford,
Ma.? I own properties in four other states. None of the tax bills go to the town mailing address but all of them go to the
county Tax Assessors office.
I know Provincetown has a full load of serious problems, like The Green Mile or is it the
green line, but I would like to know where my money is going to.
For all I know this money could be going to
a developers offshore bank account. I suspect the primary purpose of P.O. Boxes has been illicitly substituted to hide illegal
On the Bangs Street Menu: Flies Dipped in Breadcrumbs
1:41 pm edt
Flies sauterne. Flies vongolle. Yes, the smell will be terrible but the Bangs Street Menue can be experimental.
Flies en croute. What a delightful summer it will be!
27-31 Bangs Street Development
11:08 am edt
Refresh my memory, didn't someone say at the 27-31 Bangs Street Abutters meeting with the
Town Manager that the
State had been requested to investigate the particulars of the development?
There are serious rumblings.
Any news yet?
27-31 Bangs Street Development
10:29 am edt
Every structure in town is built on a dune or on the beach itself. And density issues in a town where some buildings
are less than a foot apart seem somewhat selfserving. If we are going to control development it should be based on meaningful
consequences like water supply.
Walked the Line
10:27 am edt
I walked to work this morning from the center of town to the far East End. I walked the line. I'll do it again, and
this time I'll wave the cars to the side rather than move myself.
If I have to walk while my car is being fixed..I
might as well have fun with my walk and the law : )
Yikes, Bangs St., Yikes
10:26 am edt
Joining a board isn't going to help one iota when these boards are stacked by people who obviously can't or won't do
their jobs by the "book". These boards answer to higher authorities who are just as bad if not worse.
People complained about this project but complaints fell on deaf ears. You think the boards didn't know this was going
to happen? They approved it anyway. They didn't want it in 2001 or 2005 but it's okay for Judy Mencher in 2009.
These pictures prove the beefs of the abutters are legitimate. What more do you need, a sinkhole would have had the
same effect and have been more aesthetically pleasing. No vegetation left and dune destruction. Hey Conservation,
good job. At least the septic waste from a sinkhole wouldn't end up draining down the hill through beachsand into the wetland.
This will smell nice in August after a good rain. Hope everyone in this neighborhood likes flies. Absolutely
10:23 am edt
Just because you bought a Gallery in a lousy location with no street presence, don't expect the rest of the Town
to come bail you out. You got what you paid for.Maybe you should have thought of that before you bought your gallery The Green
Line assaults the senses. See you at the selectman's meeting, as god is my witness, the green line will disappear.
Re: Hello Editor
10:22 am edt
If you would like to print out posts, just copy and past them into an Open Office document. You can download
the software for free here.
Re: Skewing the Vote on the Green Line
10:21 am edt
"the person who is against the green line (and I agree it is garrish) has skewed the votes IN FAVOR
of the green line in an attempt to make the proponents look like they are manipulating the vote! He is clever, isn't he!"
THE PERSON! Haven't you heard the word around town? Have you not noticed how many East End gallery owners are
posting on the Facebook page (Help us remove the neon green line down commercial street)? Your theory is pure garbage! Anyone
who has ever entered the Baltivik gallery has seen Ms. B. sitting at her computer playing games. Obviously, now she has another
game to occupy her days -- voting to make it appear that the town is in favor of her ugly green line.
for the people from Fidelity to come to town to check it out. If ever there was a case for copyright infringement -- this
is it. A lawsuit is in the future thanks to the brilliant Ms. B. and her cronies.
PAINT IT BLACK!
To: The Person Wanting to Print Text
10:20 am edt
You don't have to print the pictures. Highlight the text you want and hit Print and print selection and only the
text will print, not the pictures. Hope this helps.
Re: Bangs St.-To: The Person Seeing 1 and 1/2 Stories?
10:17 am edt
How do you see 1 1/2 stories? I see 4 bldgs. each with 2 stories. How can a story be 1/2? Do you bend over
to walk? Not over-scale? One, maybe, 2 at most, but a Starbucks would have been less intrusive. What State hurricane
regs? Quality is cheap (CHECK OUT UNITS 2C AND 2D AND THE CROOKED WINDOWS BECAUSE THEY STUCK 2 BLDG. HALVES TOGETHER THAT
AREN'T EXACTLY THE SAME), no impact zone glass, etc., etc. And the all-knowing Bldg. Inspector proclaims this isn't
"Controlled Construction", so, I guess, it isn't. Maybe the "Selectmen" need to put a refresher
course for him up for discussion. or Maybe he really doesn't know. He certainly didn't follow any of the rules
and requirements associated? No letters, no evidence of a LCS on site at all phases, etc. None of this was done.
Oh, but the abutters didn't file an appeal, so it doesn't matter. It's bad enough town by-laws were stepped all over, but
how is it State Bldg. Regs. are ignored by those paid to uphold them? Or maybe the more important question is why? Why would
town officials bend over backwards for this developer? This project is obviously illegal. This developer wouldn't
even hire local builders so as not to cut into her profit margin, yet she gets away with more than what others before her
proposed and couldn't. Why doesn't this developer go to a town where she would actually have the room she needs for her grandiose
pre-fab parks instead of jamming them into Provincetown? If I told my dead father town hall is backing becoming a trailer
park town, he would shake his head in disgust and say "Você está me gozando. Tudo está perdido."
and then he'd move to Truro, like so many others who grew up in town have.
Please, Stupid is Stupid
12:44 am edt
Why say anthing more. This ridiculous vomit-green line makes no sense. An idea without the right context is just
plain stupid. Justifying nonosense is crazy.
What Happened to This Dune?
12:43 am edt
How could you destroy this dune, stick this building into it, and say that you care about the environment. I think our
conservation Commission is must a joke. The wetlands are comprimised. The native vegetation clear cut. The dunes destroyed
and pieces and tress just tumble down. And they have the nerve to say they are protecting the wetlands, native vegetation
and the dunes?
Conservation Commission is just another board compromised in Provincetown. What are they getting
in their back pockets from developers? Sorry, but money sadly talks in Provincetown and I now believe our boards are being
corrupted by developers.
Katherine Baltivik Suggesting: "Bacteria" ???
12:42 am edt
It damages my business before it begins, complained Hank Keenan, who is opening a new estate jewelry
store at 350 Commercial St., right where the green line starts. Its vulgar and tacky. I dont understand how the town can show
favoritism toward the art galleries.
12:41 am edt
Can someone tell me who Miss B is that they want to write in for Selectmen? I would like to know before
12:39 am edt
That was a very stupid and mindless idea to remove Cheryl from her position on the county wastewater collaborative.
She was deeply involved with her representation and should remain in her position to protect the towns interests. Bedard,
with all due respects, is way behind on the knowledge that she has. And for Couture to claim the county won't make Provincetown
contribute to upper cape waste water issues just shows how stupid she really is. Provincetown just lost a very important face
representing them in a very good manner. She should be reinstated, regardless of what the county is asking. Truro stayed with
their rep because they feel they are in good hands. Provincetown WAS. This is a very bad idea and we are soon to be under
the control of the county, not ourselves. Reinstate Cheryl now before its too late.
12:38 am edt
You should get your facts straight before you comment. The main house and the Hawthorne School of Art are owned
by two separate individuals, of whom neither are Mr. Weiss.
12:35 am edt
Can someone tell us if an affordable housing developer is the buyer and develops the property under 40B how many units
would they be entitled to?
12:34 am edt
East of Dyer Street new commercial uses are strictly limited to art galleries. Our zoning bylaw even goes so far as
to define art. This has been the case and for over 30 years and the rents and values of commercial property in the gallery
district are depressed. It is a scheme we seem to have all accepted and embraced. If they want a green line, then let them
compete with tee shirt shops, sunglasses and rubber chickens.
Yikes! What a Disaster Bangs Street is! How Did This Happen!
12:33 am edt
Where were you when there were openings on boards. Instead of complaining about boards, join one - maybe you can
make a difference.
Re:Katherine Baltivik Statement:
12:32 am edt
"The people involved are using the line to cover up their feelings that other businesses might get some
of their foot traffic."
Exactly, Ms. Baltivik. Your entire reason for cramming this lousy idea down the throats of anyone who would listen
to you is exactly that. You have a terrible location for your gallery. You're upset that nobody comes to your openings. Your
entire logic is self-centered and greedy. Not to mention tasteless and lame. Instead of enhancing the East End gallery district,
you're doing exactly the opposite.
The groups that supported your foolish idea should be ashamed of themselves.
It's as if they were supporting only the restaurants in the center of town between specific streets or just the guesthouses
in the West End. THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
12:30 am edt
I voted hundreds of times for Magnum. I also voted hundreds of times against the green line. That's not voter fraud!
It doesn't say to only vote once!
Maybe Magnum will come to Ptown this summer!
12:29 am edt
I just have to share this on this blog: the person who is against the green line (and I agree it is garrish) has skewed
the votes IN FAVOR of the green line in an attempt to make the proponents look like they are manipulating the vote!
He is clever, isn't he!
27-31 Bangs Street
12:28 am edt
How are pre-fabs like the Bangs street project allowed by new(2.5 yrs old) hurricane standard regs allowed? That being
said, The pics don"t look bad at all... the design is good even the density is less than new projects in west end.
If some can do it shouldn't all?
12:27 am edt
Voter fraud? Let's see: 1200 people have voted against the line. Though protest too much!
in Baltivik too! You go girl!
Re: Bangs Street
12:26 am edt
We have a by-law regulating the scale of new construction relating to buildings within 250 ft. Were the calculations
for Bangs Street done for four individual (modest size) buildings (considered individually) that might be in scale with the
surrounding houses OR were calculations done for TWO oversized buildings that are MUCH larger than surrounding houses and
if so how did that pass????
12:24 am edt
I hate to admit this since I was very vocally against the Green Line, but I have actually grown to like it. I
walk down the street now and it makes me smile (in a good way).
Let's Just Admit the Green Line is Silly and Wrong
12:23 am edt
Paint it over and let's be done with this stupid marketing scheme. People make mistakes. his surely is one. It
defines this town as purely tacky!
12:22 am edt
I've seen the pictures and I have been by there several times.
These are one and a half story buildings
and they seem to be in scale with the area. What is every body up in arms about? Could it be perhaps that this is the hood
of the web master?
This is normal density for our Res 3, multi-famly zoning district.
As to the allegations
of "clear cutting"- Hello have you ever seen a bore test soil sample of any and every building site in Town? Once
you go 8" under the top soil there is course sand. The whole Town is built on a dune.
The developer has a
proven track record of decent design and relatively high quality.
I do not work for her and I do
not think I have never even met her.
12:19 am edt
Instead of saying from here on in let's stop these developers. Let's stop this one and send a clear message.
Judy Mencher is the developer and her buddy Ted Malone owns the property right next door. He is just waiting for
her to get away with this so he can pounce and put in his 25 (oh, I meant 12/5) units. She is setting the precedent
for him so let's set a precedent with her. If Ptown has never made anyone tear down a bldg. let's start now. Other
towns don't allow the insulting greed of this developer shown by the project. These developers prey on this town because
they know once it's built there's nothing the town can do to stop it. All aspects of the project need to go under the
magnifying glass from the permitting process to date. It is obvious something is very wrong here and it needs to stop
with this project, not the next one or the next one. THIS ONE. AND IT NEEDS TO STOP NOW.
Sunday, May 2, 2010
Katherine Baltivik Statement:
6:02 pm edt
As far as getting a group organized to work with the line, this was a suggestion on what might be a possibility now
Though there are people against the line, I assure you that there are many people for it.. There is a group that is spreading
misinformation and making what I call a bacterial feeding ground for others who are misinformed. The people involved are using
the line to cover up their feelings that other businesses might get some of their foot traffic. So they are using the public.
One business person came to the last BOS meeting and said exactly that. I really hate to see this group using people that
5:47 pm edt
"Walk the line" organizer statement:
Katherine Baltivik Liz The line received backing from all the major
business organizations, the Chamber of Commerce, the Provincetown Business Guild, the Provincetown Arts Museum, The Visitor
Tourist Bureau, the Tourism Office and finally the Board of Selectmen. All these people are associated with other committees
in town have far more experience than I and would not have approved anything that overstepped into another committee's realm.
Please remember that the line is on a paved surface.
As far as getting a group organized to work with the line, this
was a suggestion on what might be a possibility now Though there are people against the line, I assure you that there are
many people for it.. There is a group that is spreading misinformation and making what I call a bacterial feeding ground for
others who are misinformed. The people involved are using the line to cover up their feelings that other businesses might
get some of their foot traffic. So they are using the public. One business person came to the last BOS meeting and said exactly
that. I really hate to see this group using people that way.
I doubt if you would have any interest in business meetings
on decals, slogans, postcards and advertising. Basically this is what is discussed. This is just one small committee in the
hub of much bigger ones. If you really want to get involved, there are all the boards mentioned who need volunteers and members
to sit on town boards. This is where you can make a difference.
I appreciate your dialogue and will keep you informed
of any major decisions that I feel may affect you since I think I have a sense of the issues to which you are sensitive.
Please always feel that you comments and input are very important to me.
5:45 pm edt
I ended up here via a Google search. This is, hands down, the most horrifically "designed" page I've ever
witnessed on the Internet. You can get offshore web designers for $8.00 an hour. You might want to look into it. This is baaaaaaaaaad.
5:43 pm edt
This should be the Banner headline for the Ugly Green Line.
The Green Line Survey
5:42 pm edt
It is now up over 4000 votes. That would mean that more than every registered voter in town has voted. Since I
have yet to meet a single person in town who approves of the line (including 6 gallery owners in the East End), this probably
means that Katherine Baltivik, her pal Candace and Johniene from Gallery Voyeur are spending their days voting. It is
too bad they have nothing better to do. It is called VOTER FRAUD, they know what they are doing, but so does the whole town.
The voter fraud on the banner pole is the main topic of conversation in town, leaving the line itself on the back burner.
People were UPSET that the line is hideous, people are now ANGRY that a few are committing blatant VOTER FRAUD to try
to show that the line has public support. The line does not have thousands of supporters, it has 3, and everyone in town knows
who they are.
Don't Let Cape Inn Become 27-31 Bangs Street
5:40 pm edt
Any news on the Cape Inn being sold? Let's be careful, so no rich developer comes in and puts up 50-100 condos. If they
can fit 4, or was that 2, sure looks like 4 condos at the end of Bangs, they can surely put 100 on the Cape Inn property.
Keep your eyes open.
27-31 Bangs Street
5:38 pm edt
Let's help prevent another Bangs Street debacle! From now on when there is notice that a developer has bought land and
wants to build, let's everyone, and I mean everyone go to the meeting and oppose it. Let's not let these rich ass developers
come into our town, rape it and leave with all of the $$$$. This needs to stop. Power in numbers people. No more building
in Provincetown, let's put a moratorium on building. Stick together and we can make it happen.
Yikes! What a Disaster Bangs Street Is! And Yes, How Did This Happen?
5:37 pm edt
Planning and Zoning and Conservation and Health Boards had NO problems with this? Then I have a probelm with them. Dunes
destroyed. Vegetation clear cut. Wetlands Buffer too close. Plus, I can count. I see four buildings, not two. They all looked
at these plans and saw only two buildings? Really? What magic glasses did this developer offer to these board members?
5:35 pm edt
At some time please remove the photos. i print this blog for a family member that enjoys reading the comments. however
i can not now print this each day as the
photos will cause me to use up my color ink way to quickly. at some time iam
sure bangs street will be old news.
Look at Miller Hill
5:33 pm edt
Another destroyed land. Even Charles Hawthorne's Nationally Registered Barn stands there like a museum after this horrible
development. the neighbors compalin and demand this does not happen. Voices thrown into the wind. The developer, Ken Weiss,
turns open land into profit. A destroyed national heritage ll for more and more money. And who is an accomplice in helping
him get all permits and bypass variances? Who indeed! Having friends in key positions helps, doesn't it Weiss?
Developers Reign Here and So Does Their Money
5:31 pm edt
How corrupt! The land is destroyed, the neighborhood ruined with this density, and the vegetation destroyed, the dunes
collapsing, and abutters losing pieces of their land. What an abomination. And no one did anything wrong? How illegal our
legal system is. It opens the doors for developers--including our Building Commissioner who is one--and yet craps upon the
head of all neighbors who must live with the end result of a developer's profit. Profit and more profit and destroy the land
and undermine the vegetaion and then have the Conservation Commission insists--in loud accord--to have five trees--oh, yes,
all native indigenous species, please--planted on the desecrated land.
Thanks for the pictures. This is more than
absurd. It is corrupt and too many players are involved in opening the door, laying down the Walter Raleigh cloak, so the
money people can step all over our land. And how much money have these develoeprs stuffed in our town officials pockets? How
5:29 pm edt
If Miss B. is a 'steamroller,' than I want her to run for Selectman and get something done in this Town for a change!
Write in Miss B. on Tuesday!
5:28 pm edt
Deb Travato has no one to blamed by herself and her colleagues on the School Committee. How many years were they in
denial about school declining enrollment? And how many years did they do nothing about it? Nine years that is how long they
all sat on their hands afraid to do anything but wish it away.
Too late Deb. I actually blame you and the rest
of the School Commmittee for closing the high school. Your ill-timed marketing plan was too little, much too late.
I hope you always live with the burden of your poor choices while you were on the School Committee as you have served
the our community poorly.
5:26 pm edt
Thankfully, I live in the West end of town. We have nice shops and galleries and maintain a quiet and dignified neighborhood
feel. If the East end wants to join the ranks of the t-shirt and hot dog vendors in town center by painting tacky lines in
the road and erecting dozens of brightly colored signs, so be it.
I would expect other East end business owners,
who undoubtedly will feel the negative effects of this garish advertising campaign, would be more vocal in their opposition.
However, it seems as though they are content to sit back and allow a couple of tasteless bigmouths to dictate the appearance
of their neighborhood.
Such a shame.
12:47 pm edt
These pictures really show how overscale this project is. How could this have been allowed by our town boards? The
septic waste and drainage from these 4 (and there are definitely 4) separate buildings with 8 bedrooms will end up in the
wetland for sure just by the nature of gravity alone.
The dune is ruined, the trees are ruined, any vegetation
has been completely obliterated and this is awful. I am shocked. Any other town in the state wouldn't have allowed
this. For a start, void out these permits based on deceptive presentation alone. 2 of these eyesores must come
down immediately. Load them on trucks and move them out the same way they were moved in. Then the damage needs
to be assessed, repairs made to the environment if it can be, and serious fines levied after a complete investigation of how
this was allowed. I wonder who got what for this as there is no way this should have been approved or would have been
approved in any other Cape town not facing a water shortage.
Who does this developer know in town hall?
Come on. This is really bad. I think an investigation into this project including all those involved at
any level needs to be done immediately.
12:45 pm edt
There are millions of people with out jobs; a tornado in Missippi blew away some towns; Louisian has a shoreline
and ecosystem that may be enguled in oil and ruined for decades and we in Provincetown have a green line.
fortunate I am to live here free and easy, as happy as the grass is green, with no misfortune in my life, surrounded by loving
friend who I TRUST. And a family that loves me.
The green line is a speck on my shoulder that I flick off as I
attend to the bountiful feast of love, happiness and laughter that is my life.
A blight on Provincetown is the
jamming of houses on a small parcel of land--not a green light.
We close a school and the consequences are that
our students enter a world of youths and challenges and noise and learning and friendships at Nauset High school.
Don't cry over a green line.
12:45 pm edt
What is the web address to vote in the Banner poll? I go to WIcked Local.com and dont see it. Thanks
Supporting the Students
12:43 pm edt
Deb Travato said that the town isn't supporting the school. We residents have supported the school for decades. Now
we are supporting the students.
closing the school is hard on the parents--not the students. High School should
be a stepping stone for these students: Stepping into high school, stepping into college and then stepping into the world.
Isn't the job of the parent to prepare their children to enter into the world and not keep them tied to their
apron Strings? What are the job opportunities here for someone with ambition and talent and a vision for a career?
How will spending 4 years with 4 other students that a student has grown up with and gone to school going to be challenging
Dry your tears, parents, and let your children blossom and grow to their full potential and offer
them than a job at Seashore point or bussing tables.
12:42 pm edt
For the record can you name the 5 other galleries besides Albert Merola Gallery who is already on the record for opposing
The Green Line Survey
10:34 am edt
It is now up to 3,437 votes. That would mean that basically every registered voter in town has voted. Since I
have yet to meet a single person in town who approves of the line (including 6 gallery owners in the East End), this probably
means that Katherine Baltivik, her pal Candace and Johniene from Gallery Voyeur are spending their days voting.
It's quite easy -- just quit your browser and vote again and again. The results will be the next Banner. If you hate the
ugly line, take a few minutes and votes as many times as you can. We don't want the results in the Banner to look like they
have the town behind them. I know this is childish but when you're dealing with a steamroller like Ms. B. -- what else can
Photos of Our Destiny
10:31 am edt
These photos show the destiny of all of the open spaces in Provincetown if we don't amend/change our by-laws.
Every resident should see these photos to see what lies in wait ready to pull into their neighborhood on a train
of flat bed trucks.
Stop this now because Developers are overloading the planning board with plans for these developement--two
equals one: double the density, double the profits and doubly ruining neighborhoods.
Funny, the developers live
in the spacious mansions with water views--but they can't "afford" to build homes for families with children--not
9:31 am edt
Rhode Island experienced record breaking rains. No one alive has ever experienced the downpours that flooded Rhode Island.
Look at the photos of the buildings (which magically appeared on my computer without a second's hesitation). If
Provincetown were to be flooded by such rains, what would it do this housing development on Bang's Street? Or to 90 Shankpainter
Haven't these buildings broken the "scale" law, aren't they illegal because they are out of scale?
In Dartmouth MA, they make people tear down buildings and fill in improperly placed foundations.
may be one, four buildings may be two, but the devastated landscape is the sad reality with which we must live.
9:29 am edt
Thank you for the photos. This tells the story. Ridiculous. No problem downloading w/comcast. I
am wondering what on earth went on "behind the scenes" to allow such an overdevelopment and rape of the land within
the 100 foot buffer zone. Septic should be next on the list for install. These are not "built" yet and
because no bldg. has even been torn down, why not set a precedent and send a clear message. There's no time like the
7:11 am edt
Please, enough with the huge pictures. Even with a high speed connection, it still takes time to download
all these images. Either upload them as smaller files or put them on another page and just put a link here on the Shout
27-31 Bangs Street
7:09 am edt
Bangs Street is built. And in the history of the town, I can't remember anyone having to tear down a building,
The only thing abutters can do now is to stall anyone from moving into these units. Hire some good lawyers to do what they
do best, keep the case against the developer going until she runs out of money or gives up.
7:08 am edt
The historic committee has absolutely no say about the green line or anything other than whats on the outside of buildings.
And the beautification committee also has no say in what the town wants to paint on town roads.
Saturday, May 1, 2010
Re: Boston Water Main Disaster
11:43 pm edt
Surely someone can blame this on Guertin. He must have been in the area!
- not a town employee, etc.
Hey Put Up or Shut Up:
11:42 pm edt
Then explain why a member of the Board of Selectmen was knitting in the corner like a rat and got up to leave
in the middle of the meeting as if she had something better to do at a "special" public meeting hosted by the Town
Manager where she was introduced as a member of the Board of Selectmen. Explain why the Conservation Commission Agent spent
the whole meeting with his head down like he was a bad puppy being punished with not a word to contribute even though his
board was pertinent. Did these people get paid for this meeting? If so, shut up you self (and that's not a typo).
and, by the way, there's no F in tooth, eitha
Re: Green Line, Bangs St., High School, and the List Goes on and on
7:33 pm edt
Re: "...The renovation is costing plenty and should definitely include all those almighty town EMPLOYEES cashing
paychecks every week who have become way too comfortable doing nothing for money..."
accusations. If you know of a town employee who is doing nothing then let us know who it is. I sense resentment
in your post and I suspect you have nothing to back up your 'know it all' attitude.
I don't work for the town,
but I appreciate those who put in the very long hours for pay that isn't as great as you seem to think it is.
up or shut up! Which town employee is doing nothing for money?
Cheap Place to Winter
7:32 pm edt
The school is closing. The school has so little impact on the lives of the residents of this town that it is a
The emotional ties of some residents and the families that all moved to Truro to create their neighborhood
there no bemoan the fact that the school is closing.
Ten years of declining student enrollment has reached its
inevitable conclusion and the Dept. of Revenue stated that this could not stand.
The school should have closed
years ago--they only prolonged the agony.
Green Line, Bangs St., High School, and the List Goes on and on
7:20 pm edt
It is high time for a good spring cleaning in Town Hall. The renovation is costing plenty and should definitely
include all those almighty town EMPLOYEES cashing paychecks every week who have become way too comfortable doing nothing for
money. To knit at an abutters meeting...and yes, Mary Jo, we know who you are. Disgraceful. Yeah, we know you are not
running again, but really, how disrespectful to those people who actually give a XXXX. You should be ashamed... and
the worst part is, you grew up here, as did many of us on this blog.
Long Green Line, vs Sign Permits
5:38 pm edt
1 Ft x 500 Ft = a 500 Sq. Ft. sign can all the other businesses in town have a 500 sq. Ft. sign now that
there is legal precedent to do so. But wait, there is more, the Galleries are going to have even more signage, in the form
of flags, so I guess every other business in town can have their own flags. Precedent must be unbiased, or it will open
the town up to millions of dollars in lawsuits. Get ready 2010 here we come, right down the hideous line, we have truly sunk
to new depths.
Good Intentions, Bad Plan
5:34 pm edt
Did the "Long Green Line" get permission from the Historic Committee? I don't think so. The East end is a
historic district, and that line is a blight which detracts from the entire neighborhood. If the businesses (Galleries) in
the East end want greater profits, maybe they could try Advertising there wares.
What will happen when the restaurants want lines, and don't forget the masseuses, Guest Houses, Motels, Hotels,
Street Performers,T-Shirt Stores, Trinket Shops, Jewelry Stores, Candy Stores, Pizza Places, Gas Stations, Supermarkets, Churches,
Parking Lots, Whale Watches, Fishing Tours, Boat rentals, and all the other small businesses in town? Legally the town has
set a precedent, and may not discriminate, now all the other businesses have a right to their own lines, in every section
of Commercial St, and maybe the whole town. Did anybody think this through? Good intentions, bad plan.
I Do Believe that Town Leaders Need More Than a Grammar School Education
5:32 pm edt
You think that is too much to ask? I don't. I think Michele Couture's lack of education manifests itself in her
poor decisions, her secrecy, her inability to be transparent, the incredible number of Executive Seesions she establishes,
and her overall mismanagement of crucial town decisions.
Frankly, Couture is a disaster and her advocating for
the Green Line just indicates her poor,uneducated thinking.
She is not the brightest bulb!
5:31 pm edt
The time to complain about a bold violation is after it happens, not before. It's a little hard to complain
about something you don't know about. If the developer, engineer and legal counsel all promise they won't damage the
dune in any way there is no reason to complain. If they wait 90 days until the "appeal" process is up and
then clear cut the dune beyond recognition causing a neighbor's house foundation on the top to crack in the process, people
with brains are going to complain. The 90 day appeal process, what town officials are saying is the reason abutters can't
complain, doesn't matter in a case where permits were based on lies told to mislead the public on this. All the lies
came to light after the 90 appeal process was up. Do you think that's a coincidence? Get real. The
laws were seriously bent and broken to allow this project. The developer, her legal counsel and town officials played
this game together and they all need to be called out for cheating.
5:29 pm edt
Yeah, sure, you spoke to the CEO of Fidelity on a Saturday. Right... and let me guess, they put you right
thru and gave you a nice pretty balloon too.
Consider yourselves warned. This green line could be the most
expensive green line you'll ever see.
3:07 pm edt
I just called the CEO of Fidelity. We had a good laugh about the ridiculous local rumor of a representative being dispatched
to review the green line.
Walking the green line and out to dinner tonight!
3:06 pm edt
I had the same problem as you...got some other site but found my way back here.
The Green Line...unless it's the
identical color to the financial company's green line, I don't think they'd have a suit.
Have you heard what's going
on at Seashore Point? The waiters in the nice dining room all got new uniforms. There are no people to serve! And, at the
same time, the staff of the nursing home was told they are not allowed to change the residents after 11PM. I can't prove this
is true...only passing along what I've heard here and there.
Not the Heart and Soul
2:53 pm edt
The schools are not the heart and soul of the town. It is where the students go to learn.
Look at Louisiana:
If their school closed no one would notice. But with the oil Spill, their town is deveastated.
We have no students
in the school. Lets regionalize the elementary school.
Just Catching up
2:52 pm edt
I just got back into town after being away for a few months. I'm just now catching up on the news, as I don't
get the Banner while I'm traveling abroad. It's unfortunate the schools are closing, (this is due to change in times over
the years); the green line is causing so much trouble(although it's not very becoming) and the Bang's Street issue still blows
in the wind like clothes on the clothes line. Can someone tell me how many people actually attended the public hearingson
these topics? In followning the blog it sounds like not many people attened the various meetings on these projects.
The time to comment is during the process and not after.
Green Line/Mechele Couture
2:50 pm edt
How about you get over invalidating Couture's support of the green line because she might not meet your biased view
of an education?
Sound good 'honey?'
Yes, Edward II is a Marvelous Production
11:41 am edt
So glad to have Tony Jackman back at the theater. He is a man of many talents. I like how Jackman takes on dramatic
challenges and turns them into staged successes.
Edward II is a wonderful production. It's playing at the Provincetown
Theatre tonight. Tomorrow is the last night.
Great work. Community theatre at its best.
Provincetown High School
11:40 am edt
May I point out something that has been nagging away at me for several days? Our town is losing its high school; something
that has been such a huge piece of this community! So what do we consistently gripe about on this blog? The Green Line! How
pathetic, but how apropos! Provincetown is definitely no longer the town I grew up in! Its very, very sad and such a terrible
loss to this once tightly knit community to lose the very fabric of what a true community is.
My heart goes out
to the kids and their families. I also feel for the school committee members that were forced to make this unfortunate decision.
Mr. Adams, Mrs. Patrick and Mrs. Trovato are all former PHS graduates. I cant even begin to imagine how difficult this must
have been for them. As they go forward to restructure our schools, let us hope that we can keep good people like them to lead
the schools back to something we can be proud of again!
Provincetown has lost something; its very soul has been
shaken to its foundation.
Re: "Us Dducated, Very Successful Primary Voters and Taxpayers"
11:38 am edt
Wow, that has to be the most pretentious, preening, self congratulatory posting I've ever seen on here. Get over
yourself honey. Just cause you made your money in a bubble that accidently aggregated wealth to a tiny portion of the population
doesn't make your vote or opinion on whit more important than anyone else's.
Gfreen Line and Bangs Street
11:36 am edt
GREEN LINE: My Fidelity Rep. said yesterday that they had heard of the "green line" in Ptown and
that a local Fidelity Rep. was going down today to see it first hand. Then they can decide if a legal issue is present.
They do have sole rights to this "green line" advertising including using it "to show the way". Fidelity
is all about making money and they may have a perfect chance to do this here. Did the BOS get permission for using Fideility's
idea? This is the age of lawsuits so whether this green line stays or goes may be a mute point as the town could end
up paying much more for it than they bargained in legal fees alone to defend it.
BANGS ST.: A drive down
Bangs St. Ext. proved trucks from this project can't park or turn around without considerable encroachment on the abutter's
property. All abutters, especially #30 Bangs St., need to rope off their property w/simple stakes and clothes lines
to prevent this. This eye-sore was proposed as having more than enough room. How on earth will a fire truck turn
around? The Bangs St. eyesore has taken a backseat to the green line and it is time to put it back on the front burner.
THIS MONSTROSITY WILL SET A PRECEDENT THAT WILL TRANSFORM PROVINCETOWN INTO A CONGLOMERATION OF CHEAP MODULAR
HOME PARKS. DEVELOPERS ARE OUT TO MAKE A BUCK WITH SUCH A BLATANT DISREGARD FOR THE TOWN AND ITS YEARROUND RESIDENTS
THAT IT IS MINDBOGGLING. TOWN OFFICIALS ARE OBVIOUSLY INEPT IN DEALING WITH THESE DEVELOPERS AND ENFORCING THEIR OWN BYLAWS,
OR MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT TO. IT'S NOT THE BYLAWS, IT'S THE OFFICIALS. ARE TOWNSPEOPLE THAT WEAK AND IGNORANT THAT
THEY LIKE BEING !
STEPPED ON? THE WHOLE TOWN SHOULD BE AGAINST THIS. WAKE UP PEOPLE, THIS TOWN BELONGS TO
YOU AND IS NOT HERE SO RICH LAWYERS/DEVELOPERS FROM BOSTON CAN BLEED IT DRY AND LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. THEY
MAKE MILLIONS WHILE TOWNSPEOPLE HAVE TO LOOK FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
THE LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THE ABUTTERS IS DISGUSTING. It sends a clear message to these developers that we enjoy being
walked all over and robbed blind while they ruin our town. Are we too dumb to stop this or is it that we just don't
11:33 am edt
The student population has been decreasing for ten years. Before you write another word about keeping the school,
please listen to the Francese Report. I listened to it and it made me realize years ago that we needed to close the school.
We aren't abandoning the students--we are improving their lives by having them go to Nauset.
that these few students in a class create a band of brothers? There are rivalries and jealousies etc. familiarity breeds contempt.
I was forced to walk to school with the same guy because our parents were friends.
I'd get to his house and he
was half ready so I had to sit there for half and hour and then we would have to rush to school. 4 years of this . I didn't know how to sit down and explain my position to my parents.
These students with the most esoteric interest will find like minded students in a big school. Liberate them from
this enforced school life with the same handful of people since first grade!! a jail sentence for some.
11:31 am edt
When I'm here in Provincetown and I go to www.mypacc.com, I get this site. When I'm at my house 100 miles away, I no
longer get this site. I get another mypacc site. I'm taking his http://www.mypacc.com/id11.html and sending it to myself in
an e-mail so I can paste it into my address box.
Is anyone else having this problem? I hope I can resolve this,
otherwise I'll miss out on reading this blog all next winter.
11:29 am edt
Provincetown is a tackey town,thats what Town Hall turned it into.
Congratulations to Tony Jackman on His Edward II
1:41 am edt
Go see it. the Provincetown Theater has done a fabulous job. The action is wonerful. Tthe production amazing.
We are lucky to be here with Tony Jackman's on the edge pproduction.
I say: Go now. There are only two nights
left. Saturday and Sunday. They are amazing and the actors let us know why acting takes us to new levels and takes us beyond
Re: School Closing
1:39 am edt
I have lived here for 10 years. I think it is a sad situation that we have to close the high school. However,
I do think that it is inevitable that the school must close. I do not take delight in this and think it is unfair for
some on here to imply that "we" want the children and families to go away.
However, the families have
been moving away for years... I think it would be great to keep the school, but you can not have a highschool with 4,5 or
6 children in a class, it is not fair to the kids!
I think that there are many who think closing the school is better
for the children, and is not simply about the potential cost savings.
So it is with a heavy heart that I think
closing the school is probably the correct choice...
1:38 am edt
Yes, I just voted 30 times. Won't tell you what way I voted, but I would NOT believe what ever the outcome
is on the banner site. Only took me about 5 or 6 minutes to do it. I am sure others are doing the same thing.
Seems like we have become a third world country here with wrongful votes.
So Much More to Talk About
1:37 am edt
Who chose green for the line? It should have been neon pink! LMAO - Can we just please stop writing about the line.
Who the hell cares about it? There are so many more important issues going on in town... the HS closing, dunes caving in,
harbor issues, bars staying open until 2... how about something new! Any word on the Cape Inn being sold? When is the sale
going through? Is there any truth in the sale? Will it be torn down and developed into high end condos? Will it stay a hotel?
What about the new Foxberry Inn at the old Bill White's motel? John is doing a wonderful job transforming that property? What
else is happening in town? How was Victor's opening last week? How is the building/rennovation going on the Murchinson property?
Inquiring minds want to know!
"Walking the Ugly Line"
1:35 am edt
Not sure how many galleries are for it but AMG is not!
Signs for Art
1:33 am edt
Can someone tell me if the signs are allowed and if so, who approves them? I thought the Town had a sign bylaw.
I know I had to apply for a sign permit for my store and was told it could only be 16 square feet in the zone i'm in.
Would this same bylaw apply?
Green Line, Green Line
1:32 am edt
Enough with the green line. It is stupid. Those who came up with it need to get hobbies. By
next year, the pavement will be cracked and potholes will swallow "the green line". Tell people its the bike
path and PLEASE can we move beyond the green line?
Green Line vs 27-31 Bangs Street
1:31 am edt
THIS BLOG, WELL THANK GOD FOR THE GREEN LINE ISSUE. IT IS PUTING BANGS ST SITUATION ON THE BACK BURNER.
SO NOW THE UNITS CAN BE FINISHED, THE GRASS WILL GROW, FLOWERS ALSO, AND THE UNITS SOLD.
NEXT NEW ISSUES
WILL BE FOUGHT OR DEFENDED. THE CHINESE SAYING THAT THE OXEN ARE SLOW BUT THE EARTH IS PATIENT COMES TO MIND
REagrding all that provincetown was and is now and will be in the future is to be or not to be.
We Live in an Art Colony and Fishing Village!
1:29 am edt
What's wrong with painting murals on the street, they paint or decal a Rooster on the streets during Portuguese Festival
week. We should not be descriminatory towards any groups whether they be ethnic or businesses.
we could have a scene in front of the galleries and let's say for example, in front of the hot dog stands there could be a
foot long hot dog, or a clam basket, or a sub roll in front of George's or a pizza in front of Spiritus. At the beginning
of the pier we could have a Fisherman in foul weather gear in a dory and perhaps a whalewatch boat. Let's be unique.
We are in other aspects.
Go for it!
Ballot Stuffing !!!!!!!
1:27 am edt
More votes have been cast for the green line than there are people who voted at town meeting. Vote early and vote
often is the old adage. Shame on you, and most people in town know who she is, the main advocate. This is a farce and only
goes to show how low some people will go. The green line was a BAD idea, it is not in the historic nature of the town, and
a tacky line will probably not help the fine art business in the East end of town. The Ballot stuffing is obvious, and
only shows the complete lack of morals that some people have. The long tacky line is not Provincetown.
Closing of High School
1:26 am edt
Closing the school was/is probably one of the BIGGEST happenings in this town! The ramifications will be felt here for
many years. This is a HUGE loss to this community.
I have fond memories of the many High School Musicals like
"Oklahoma", "Fiddler on the Roof", "South Pacific", "Hair", "Paint Your Wagon"
and yes, "The King & I". From a small town came such magnificent talent! What a sensation it was to sit and
watch our local kids transform themselves on that stage! I also sat through many a basketball game with rapt attention as
our local kids made it all the way to the State Tourneys! In fact, only a couple of years ago, we did it again with our small
Remember folks, everything is cyclical, population not withstanding. I hope we will see the High School
come back again. In the mean time, lets support our school and support our school committee through these difficult times.
I too support Mr. Adams in his re-election bid. I believe he and his fellow board members have done an admirable job. I know
Mr. Adams personally and cant think of a better candidate for this task. He is worthy of the challenge.