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  Mark Silva: A Rich Goodby

The church was packed. There was even a long line to enter St. Peter's. There were people sitting along the side pews. All the pews were filled.

We were there to attest to your legacy, to what you gave to this town and to all of us. You brought the energy for the Portuguese Festival and revived it. You brought the energy for the Regatta and revived this wonderful celebration. You gave of yourself, of your time and of your vision.

The town was there to bid you farewell and to thank you for everything that you have done for us. And you did it with humor, joy and a sense of much celebration. You knew how to throw a party and taught the town to do it too!

You were unique and you will be missed. But you would not leave without our thanks and without a party at the Red Inn. We were there with tears and we were there with much laughter and gratefulness for you.

Adieu, Mark! May the angels carry you on holy wings into eternal peace and celebration!

 

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Friday, July 31, 2009

PBG & Chamber of Commerce vs VSB Website

Another PBG supporter/board member no doubt. You drink at the bar at Bayside Betsy's I'm sure, right?
7:47 pm edt 

To: Barry Scott

Barry  I am quite gay and have been a victim of a hate crime itself.  I learned if you carry the hate that you received whether real or imaginary, it will eventually eat you up.  Your hatred now is misdirected toward the people of Provincetown who did absolutely nothing toward you.  You have every right to be angry at the officers who were involved in the incident with you.  I wasn't there  so I can't pass judgment. It is time to give it all a rest.  Maybe if you forgive the people who you perceive as harming you, you can move foward.  If you can't you will stay exactly where you are.
I am a Provincetown resident.  

I wish you well.
7:38 pm edt 

So True
 
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."

Albert Einstein
6:59 pm edt 

Re: Town Tourism Websites...

My bet is you are not a member of the PBG. Thus you do not get business from the site.  As to the Chamber's website, what exactly is dynamic?  This I have to hear because I've already seen it.
6:25 pm edt 

Proverbs 26:12

Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.Bible, Proverbs 26:12
5:30 pm edt 

Re: Town Tourism Websites

For what it's worth, the top five websites I received traffic from, only provincetown's tourism website made it. people are not finding out about my business from the pbg or chambere. it's unfortunate as I particularly like the chambers website and what they offer. its much more dyanamic.
5:27 pm edt 

Re: Governor's Visit

The word is "Protocol"..definition:  established etiquette, and I for one do believe that the Governor's Visit deserved a showing of Town officials.It didn't have to be formal but it did need to show the proper respect for a man who holds such a high position in Massachusetts government.What would you do if you felt snubbed by a town? I think it's going to cost Provincetown in the long run,if not immediately..
3:07 pm edt 

To the Critic...

Dollar for dollar you get more bang for your buck from the PBG than the VSB or the Chamber... Check the websites and see what you get for the money...Also check out the publications... Put Carnival up run by the PBG as a measure of success.  There is no event by either group period.  The PBG is a non-profit.  All money is directed toward the business sucess in this town. Fine if you don't join...keep your money in your pocket and profit from the many fine businesses in this town who are members and support the only venue to drive gay tourists to this town... See who would be walking past your doors without them.
2:31 pm edt 

Gay Bashing

This WAS a gay bashing. Remember, he was called a faggot. Period.

This town is crazy to believe that our DA's office on the cape (who said calling someone a fag was not hate) is way off case. They have been for years.
2:29 pm edt 

Re: Yes Another Hate Crime

I ask you to rethink your position on my case that occurred in your beloved town. My partner and I finally sold our home there, for a lossas the housing market in Provincetown is worse than it is statewideheading for a peaceful cabin by a lake in New Hampshire. I continue to appeal. Unfortunately, I dont fight for the community any longer; I fight because it is the right thing to do. I have more integrity in my little finger than the Provincetown Police and Town Manager Sharon Lynn have in their entire bodies. Win or lose, I can hold my head up high that I tried.

Barry Scott
2:26 pm edt 

Re: Go to BOS Meeting and Ask Them Why!

"we can't go there and ask them to tell us why they didn't attend.."
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The question could be asked during public statements and if the BOS members opt not to respond during Selectmen statements that in itself would be very telling.  If you've been to a BOS meeting or watched it on TV they frequently respond to public statements during the BOS statement portion.  And if the response is 'I had to work' then perhaps these individuals don't have the time to fulfill their BOS responsibilities and should not have volunteered for the position in the first place.

Michele, Mary Jo, David, Elaine, we'd like to hear your reasons for not taking the time to meet with the governor of our state.  You let us down.
2:22 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

No matter what, a bashing is a bashing! If a bashing of another human being is not from hate, then I guess it must be love! Right???
1:03 pm edt 

Excuse Me?

The Banner's editoral and cartoon said it all about the selectmen! The only other thing that's missing are their clown suits! They hurt the town over and over again, don't they?
12:57 pm edt 

BOS Couldn't be Bothered

Please if it had been OBAMA here, the BOS would have stopped everything they were doing and gone to see the President. But they couldn't be bothered seeing our State's head of State? Why did they even bother posting a meeting? This boards sucks!
12:55 pm edt 

It's Appalling

You'd think the selectmen would know some iota of politics. But there's not a scintilla of brain power there. He is governor and what happens in the next election is a different story. He is in office now and has power now.

What a slap in the face. Basic etiquette would have dictated the presence of all selectmen--not just one. It's beyond understanding. Is it that they are simpletons and should not be in office? They lack understanding of power and how to use it and what to do with it. Perhaps just too small minded or taken with their own petty personal concerns that shrink their ability to see the consequences of their terrible behavior.

This is a damaged group.
12:53 pm edt 

PBG & Provincetown Chamber of Commerce vs VSB

How dare the Provincetown Business Guild and Provincetown Chamber of Commerce criticize the Visitor Service Board for offering free listings to area businesses! We pay taxes in this town that fund that damn website and it's a public venue. I'm so sick of the Provincetown Business Guild trying to charge us more fees for doing nothing. The Chamber is at least affordable but still no one should be complaining about us getting free exposure on a website. Competition is good and maybe they are a little threatened by competition because they are not delivering.
12:52 pm edt 

Re: Go to BOS Meeting and Ask Them Why!

The selectmen don't respond to public statements...we can't go there and ask them to tell us why they didn't attend..we can only make a comment about it.
8:48 am edt 

Oh Please!

You think everything hinges on the selectman? the cover of the banner says it all. deval was with our state rep. the selectmen don't have a voice on state issues. and i would believe that his office dictates how his junket goes. and who he sees, etc.

the personal attacks and snarky, cutsey comments really deflate the potential this site might offer. now it's worse than tmz. or access hollywood. but it does illuminate the downfall of provincetown. classist, elitist self centered whiners who offer no solutions or forward thinking. if this is the best the town has to offer... good grief. grow up. those who can, do. those who can't, bitch apparently.
8:46 am edt 

Beaches:
 
Great going Seashore. STEP IT UP IN FULL FORCE!!!!!! Clean up the beaches for everyones enjoyment.....Day or Night.....I say bring in more and start getting people in the system.....
8:43 am edt 

Latest Beating:

It was not considered a bashing by the hate crime statue !
8:42 am edt 

Possible Reason

The BOS don't think Patrick is going to get reelected. Thats why they wouldn't get near him on Friday. Makes sense doesnt' it?
8:41 am edt 

Thursday, July 30, 2009

Re: Enough with Talk, Couture Must Go!

Selling tchotchkes should NOT be more important than meeting the GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS when you are CHAIR OF THE BOS~particularly when we apply for state grants all the time. Really, ching, ching, ching, hope you laugh all the way to the bank and trip.
10:19 pm edt 

Seashore Point-

I wish all you people who comment here would get your facts straight. Seashore Point is part of Deaconess Abundant Life.....NON PROFIT
10:16 pm edt 

Re: Enough With Talk! Couture Must Go!

"This is Gubernatorial politics not small town Provincetown Monopoly. When requests for grants are presented to the State, ..."
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I'd like to suggest someone attend the BOS meeting and during public statements request the Selectmen explain why did not attend the meeting with the Governor.  Yes, I admit I don't have the cahoonas to confront them.

But, if there was a good reason as to why they did not meet with the governor we deserve to hear it.  If there is not a very good reason then they really failed us and our town.  I really have to believe there is a good reason they did not meet with the Governor.  I just can't believe our elected officials would not take advantage of the opportunity to meet with the governor.  Please, BOS members, tell me there was a good reason.
10:13 pm edt 

Enough With Talk! Couture Must Go!


How long can we tolerate this sham of a play called "leadership".

Her ineptitude has brought us to the point where we are the laughing stock of Massachusetts.
We brazenly spit in the Governor's face and in the next breath expect him to use the much sort-after resources of the Commonwealth on our behalf.

This is Gubernatorial politics not small town Provincetown Monopoly. When requests for grants are presented to the State, where do you think ours will be in the pile.

I have never seen such an explicit display of contempt as manifested by the BOS and in particular by Couture as Chair and MaryJo, the two longest serving members of the BOS; who should have known better. These are no, politically speaking, spring chickens.

At the very least Couture should step down from the Chair and the other three "no-shows" face censure.

I applaud Knights showing up and representing the town. I have not always found him to be the strong tree in the wind, but, on this occasion he represented our interest.  

Those who spend our money so readily, have a responsiblity to advance any opportunity to benefit the town's financial well-being. God save us from fools!

A former MaryJo supporter

8:35 pm edt 

Deval Patrick May be On Front Page of Banner But He Was on the Last Page of the BOS

A selectmen shows up for the meeting with the Governor. Austin Knight is the one person present. Unbelievable. And where are the others? Just too occupied, just too busy to show up for the Governor of Massachusetts? Is Provincetown an island unto itself and not intricately linked to the power base of this state?

Rude, inappropriate, politically naive and unacceptable.

It's embarassing for Provincetown to have this disrespectful behavior characterize us. They fail to fully inform many of us of the Governor's presence where many would have attended. The selectmen know of the meeting with the Governor and they refuse to attend. What an insult! And they are supposed to represent us? How shameful for us.
8:04 pm edt 

The Buck Stops Here at Couture's Plate:

    Such a lack of leadership in not even showing up for a meeting with the Governor. This important day with Deval Patrick was so mismanaged and with the position of Chair of the BOS comes responsibility. Michele Couture is responsible for a failure of leadership, a failure to get her board memebers to be present and a failure to work with the Governor on key issues facing this town.

     Deval Patrick was treated badly and treated as a non-important person. Couture has damaged this town and her position puts this town at risk. It's time for her to spend as much time as she wants and needs in her store and leave the role of chair to someone who wants to truly be Chair and provide the leadership and dynamism this town needs. We cannot suffer a person who acts as chair but hardly knows what this role demands. She clearly likes sitting in the middle but this is far from what a real Chair does.

     Time for Couture to leave her chair empty.
7:55 pm edt 

Re: Alleged Beating
 
Read the banner ! No BS there.
6:54 pm edt 

Latest Beating

I read about it in reporter Andrew Sullivan's blog. The guy who was bashed is a friend of his.

Do we need anymore bad press in Provincetown??
6:53 pm edt 

I Had to Laugh
 
In the banner I read Mary Jo's statement about motorcycles and their noise and smell...
Well I would rather listen to that then being forced to listen to your yelling and screaming and crying at bos meetings with Micheal that we are forced to endure..
Yes Mary Jo we all know where your work but I still would rather listen to a motorcycle for 5 seconds as it passes by then be forced to listen to incisive barking dogs tied to your fence and then have the dog take a dump next to my table.
Oh and by the way does this include the new Harley the police drive around or do they actually get off of it and walk it past your restaurant ?
6:52 pm edt 

WOW !

"If the AIDS virus could live in the sand it would kill us all...."
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Now that was some statement of ignorance and just plain stupidity....by that poster
peace and love right ??
Are you assuming that all gay men have aids ??
6:50 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

Story is in the banner about the incident in the alley way...anyone want to give a synopsis here for the folks who are out of town?
6:47 pm edt 

Re: BOS Shows no Leadership!

Yes, this board is a drag! How can we be confident in our government who has a history of letting town assets and resources get into a dilapadated state? Look at town hall: forced evacuation/condemed. The pier buttering us up to another set of docks when the pier is still knew. The septic, massive failure after five years.

Snubbing Governor Patrick is a new low in town politics here.
1:29 pm edt 

The Alleged Beating
 
This is the only spot where I've read about the alleged beating of the urinator. Is this true? Why hasn't it been covered any other news site? Even if it was a      son[who did it], it couldn't be completely swept under the rug.  It is not in the CC Times or the Herald,  Who got beaten and who did it? Why hasn't it been reported elsewhere. Either name someone or I call BS on this report as well.
11:09 am edt 

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10:06 am edt 

Nudity at Seashore & Town Beaches

If you have ever noticed the life style that is displaying the nudity and performing sex both out at Herring Cove, The Dunes and The local Beaches after midnight ? Ever walk around on Commercial Street and see certain displays that you don't see in other stores, and noticed what life style is running that store ? If you did then you now know what I'm talking about and why when I say "it's been allowed with very little enforcement"...No wonder it's happening.
9:45 am edt 

A Walk on the Darkside!

Provincetowns beaches at night is a walk on the darkside. what goes on under the dock is unbelievable. So congratulation to the Rangers for their attempt to cleanup
Herring Cove. If the aids virus could live in the sand and water, it would kill us all.
9:18 am edt 

My Opinion!

SEX in the DUNES is GREAT!
9:16 am edt 

Show Me the Proof

I want to see everyones birth certificate to make sure we are not being taken over by the terrorists! A birther American.
9:14 am edt 

Re: Hate Crime

The person who thinks that almost killing someone for just waking down a public walkway and MIGHT have urinated, would deserve that three local young thugs beat him to a pulp is an idiot and stupid!
9:11 am edt 

I Agree: What A Weak, Do-Nothing, Foolish BOS

Yes, I too feel it is the worse board I have seen in years. Do nothing but advocate for large projects. Do nothing but raise taxes. Do nothing and don't even bother meeting with your Governor--and our Governor.

How stupid can a group of people be? How leaderless, how feckless they are. They are shameful.
9:09 am edt 

Seashore Point is Part of a Profit Making Enterprise
 
It is a for profit since it is part of a larger corporation that is profit making. If the parent company is driven to make money and is a for profit corporation, then this part of the organization is linked to money, profits, and even more money.
9:08 am edt 

Wednesday, July 29, 2009

Just a Reminder of What This Blog is Supposed to be About...


Work to responsibly implement voters decisions made at town meetings and through the ballot box
o       Establish and codify town laws which obligate town Selectmen to honor voters decisions
·        Work for accountability in town spending
o       Require independent annual audits of key town departments
o       Demand accurate estimation of projected costs to include Life Cycle Costing: Debt Service + Operational expenses
o       Implement a two-week cut-off date prior to any town meeting for which modifications to Articles must be submitted and published
o       Create a citizen committee to monitor major municipal department contracts including Contractor/Bid selection process and contract closeout    
·        Advocate for leaner and more efficient town management
o   Utilize voter and town employee input for proposed changes  
o       Eliminate redundant and/or surplus staffing
o       Creatively combine town positions
·        Campaign for responsible government operations
·        Oppose mega-projects until indebtedness is lowered and fiscal responsibility exists
o       Define all project requirements and goals
o       Measure the important parameters against cost
o       Prioritize the parameters of all projects
o       Simplify and make final assessmentCost vs Effectiveness
·        Sponsor fair real estate assessments and promote lower tax rates
·        Work to encourage an economically sustainable community
·        Promote community cohesiveness through shared future vision

The above is the mission statement of this blog ...so one has to wonder what does, the lemonade girl and her parents, the PBG and resignation of the ED, and every other weird "twilight zone" post have to do with this blog. I say NOTHING!! Its simply mean-spirited and hateful people who get off on saying things that they would never have the guts to say to the persons face. I suggest you read the last statement in the mission statement again and again ..."promote community cohesiveness".
10:17 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

It may have not started as a hate crime, but it sure turned into one when our young local tough guy started yelling F#%@ing Fa&&#$ while bashing this tourist!
10:15 pm edt 

Re: Controlling

Its true the same five or nine people are the only ones who seem opposed to everything at town meeting! You think they would have realized by now that they do not share the opinion of the towns voters!
10:14 pm edt 

Re: Seashore Nudity
 
The situtation is WAY beyond nudity...  Have you ever walked out there?  Disgusting........


It is not allowed in other towns...So let's not allow it in ours....
10:12 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

As you could see from the victim himself...  It was not a hate crime..  Perhaps the facts should be known before everyone assumes or relies on someone elses facts !

Always out to get the POLICE.......
10:11 pm edt 

Can it Get Any Worse?

Only 20% of the BOS bothered to attend their scheduled meeting with the Governor on Friday? Check out this week's cartoon and editorial in the paper.

Our BOS boards have always been weak and we all know the town doesn't do anything well. But, this has to be the worst BOS board of all time. If they aren't squabbling and backstabbing, they are snubbing the state's CEO!

Thanks for notin' fellas!
10:10 pm edt 

Re: Drunk and Disorderly

If this drunk had been beaten to death by accident should the people that committed murder serve any time? Or would the jury say that justice was served and the punishment fit the crime.No one deserves to get beaten half to death by another person, that's why we have the Police and laws.We live in a civilized society , Provincetown included.
10:08 pm edt 

Just As I Thought...

Too many people jumping to conclusions on the so called "hate crime." Wait until the facts are presented before you start railing.

E. Michael Richards
8:13 pm edt 

Re: Gabby Hanna Should Return as the Next Executive DIrector of the PBG . . .

Move forward, not back.
8:01 pm edt 

Re: Seamens Bank

HEY WHAT EVER BECAME OF THE SEAMENS BANK ISSUE? WAS THERE AN ENDITMENT OR WHAT?
7:58 pm edt 

Sad News:
 
Warren Costa, the husband of the recently deceased Betty Costa, has died. What a sad time for his family.
7:57 pm edt 

Re: Controlling

"Go to town meeting and stand up and say no to expenditures beyond our capacity to pay."
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Yes, absolutely all 9 of you should go to town meeting and stand up and say no.
controlling
7:56 pm edt 

Seashore Point:

Why is it that no positive comments about Seashore Point ever get published on this site? I've written several but none ever show up.
7:54 pm edt 

Transportation Center...

Orleans decided not to take the 100,000 plus seed money..because they realized a transport center would be very expensive....so why are we rushing to clear out the current waterfront parking lot?

A window of opportunity?    Whoa.   20 to 30 million to do it right?

The boats are still going to come...there are no trains anymore...the cars should be discouraged from coming into the center of town...causing the congestion and air pollution that they do.

The Jerome Smith lot could be a transport center...for buses and shuttling visitors into the center.  It already has a title five and we own it.  A parking garage of multistories could be built there with easy access to Route 6...if we should decide to do so.  The Transport Center would not need to be at the wharf...The ferry riders are already currently well greeted by signage and a simple waterfront park.  Cars should not be driving onto the wharf or into the jammed center of town.  People driving cars are not buying at the shops and restaurants...Pedestrians buy.

Jerome Smith would also make a nice site for a new Police Department with quick access to Route 6 and Bradford Street should the voters decide it can be funded.

It is time to make center of town parking lots history...and to take back the streets for the pedestrians,
7:53 pm edt 

Hate Crime Hurting Buisness
 
You gotta laugh when you read how a single incident of "alledged" hate crime happens and someone blogs here saying it's hurting their buisness.

The fact we are fighting a severe problem with the recession, layoffs and numerous days of rain is not the problem but a guy urinating on someones property and unfortunately get a crash course on respect "affects someones buisness". You gotta be joking.
7:50 pm edt 

Seashore Point-
 
Seashore Point is a NON profit organization. Apparently y'all don't know what that means....not for profit...which doesn't mean you don't have to make enough money to pay your bills.
7:48 pm edt 

What is Going on at Herring Cove?

The rangers are out of control ticketing men for nudity. Tickets and harrassment like I have never seen before. This has been going on all summer.  Why is there so much activity? Are the parking revenues down so much that they are looking for other sources of revenue...tickets for not wearing your bathing suit?  Pathetic!

Yesterday there were 2 rangers late in the day, acting like it was an emergency situation far out on the beach.  They were all over the dunes and beach as if there were some sort of crisis.  They are also using undercover "youths" as decoys.  I have seen them being picked up by the rangers at the end of their "work day" out on Province Lands Rd.  Why are our tax dollars being spent this way?  Why is no one outraged by this?  I have seen them (the rangers) drive by several naked women (summer workers) at the beach and do absolutely nothing...they are targeting gay men, yet again.  Why are we putting up with this?  It feels like 1950 not 2009.  

Does everything in this town seem out of allignment this year?  So many people with lots of tourist money to spend will not come here if this keeps up.  It feels awful out there when this happens whether you have your suit on or not...it feels like a police state and that is WRONG!  
7:47 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

i don't know what happened, but the "where the sun doesn't shine" comments are about the most ignorant and well, hateful i've read on here. you're an idiot. i hope you try it and spend a good five to ten in the slammer. what's wrong with you?
7:45 pm edt 

Don Knuuttila Resigns: Search for a New Executive Director is On

This is a great oppotunity to find someone with strong leadership, great financial analysis, marketing skills and a pleasant personality. PBG can be a dynamic organization and with a new director, it could crete new synergisim with the Chamber and Tourism. I look forward to a new director with dynamic ideas.
7:44 pm edt 

Re: Alleged Assault

PROVINCETOWN  A local man has been arrested after allegedly assaulting his girlfriend and holding her at gunpoint, police said.

The woman reported the incident to police after being treated at an out-of-state hospital, according to the Provincetown Police Department. 

                  , 26, was charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, assault and battery, kidnapping and threatening to commit a crime, police said.

He was held without bail overnight Thursday and was expected to be arraigned in Orleans District Court.
7:40 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

His first strike was getting drunk and high. He's responsible for his actions and condition. His second was taking a leak on someones property without permission. Where does he get off doing that to someones private property? Third strike was when he threw something at the property owners when they complained. That was just plain stupid. How many strikes does a person get, notice I said person, not gay or lesbian, not black or white, not tourist or yearrounder, person, before he/she gets what's coming to them? I say good for the owners. Draw the line.
7:26 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

..."maybe others whom I have seen do it will either stop or get a well deserved beating."
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You're an idiot.
7:24 pm edt 

Hate Crime:

Bloggers should know the facts before they speak out of turn...  It was not a HATE CRIME..  As always in this town the facts get twisted by someone who wants to believe something else......  

If someone is so concerned about what happened, why don't they ask the police?  Let's not assume our own facts......
7:21 pm edt 

Bring Gabby Back!

Gabby Hanna should return  as the next Executive DIrector of the PBG for a number of reasons... Members respect and love her (something very much absent during the alcoholic reign of DK from the rail), the community embraces her, and she has the ability to return the PBG to the organization it was once respected for being... one that embraces the community, not looks to divide it.

Let the healing begin!
7:17 pm edt 

Monday, July 27, 2009

Re: Hate Crime

I am so tired of the hate in this town. Can't we get to the bottom of this?

It is literally hurting my business.
8:21 pm edt 

Re: Yes Another Hate Crime
 
More hate!   More lies!    More baseless accusations!

Can equal only one thing More free Barry rhetoric for your reading pleasure.

Is anybody else glad that these nit-wits and their equally ignorant friends sold their crappy little condo across from the dump and finally moved away to Maine?

Get a life Gorto... your 15 minutes of fame ended with the Judge calling "Guilty".

Blog your hate, ignorance and distorted facts somewhere else.

Thank you!
5:40 pm edt 

Re: Condoning Violence;
 
Man gets drunk in Provincetown (can you imagine that).Public Bathrooms were closed,Man relieves self in alleyway,Man gets beat 1/2 to death by vigalante mob.What's wrong with this picture?
5:36 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

Everyone who lives or works in this town SHOULD always be concerned when a tourist gets beaten up from a bunch of thugs no matter what. We all depend on the tourist dollars. Word of this will surely get out and rumors will spread around the nation and beyond. We can not afford to have this kind of problem in our town again!
5:35 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

Hate crime or not, the fact that somebody had to be sent to the hospital because a group of young men decided to gang up on this visitor to our town is unacceptable no matter what this visitor did!
5:34 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

If someone came upon my property and urinated, was asked to stop and he threw something at me, I would then think that was provocation enough to jam what ever he threw at me up where the sun doesn't shine. If you knew what you are doing is wrong, then zip up and move on. When an object is thrown istead then I would feel that there is only message that person understands and that's a good butt beating. Hell with calling the Police, the dude was whatever, so what do you think is going to happen to him "absolutely nothing". I believe the law says something to the effect that someone from the opposite sex would have to be offended inorder to have the Police take any action.So take this as a lesson, maybe others whom I have seen do it will either stop or get a well deserved beating.
5:30 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

Totally agree that nobody should take the law into their own hands, or go after someone else for urinating on property.   That's a seperate issue, which we agree upon.   As to the original issue of whether this was a hate crime issue, it ain't one!
5:28 pm edt 

Re: Seashore Point

I assume Seashore Point will be collecting room tax on their vacation rentals?  They are very similar to B&Bs in town in what they are offering so I don't see why they would not be required to do so.
4:20 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

So just because somebody urinates upon a property its alright to beat a human being to a pulp? Using a fist upon another human being is a crime that can not and will not be forgiving in our town! Its human rights, and humans do urinate.
4:19 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

See what happens when someone assumes there was a hate crime and obviously doesn't have all the facts and obviously is looking to start trouble. Compliments to the other blogger who filled in some facts, now maybe that other (original) blogger will have learned something "even though I doubt it". Typical Provincetown.
4:18 pm edt 

It's Not Legal

It is not right for anyone other than the police to go after someone for pissing and saying or throwing things. No one should take the law into their own hands. No one should use force upon another person to have that person rushed to the hospital!
4:16 pm edt 

Re: Taxpayer Back Lash

Go to town meeting and stand up and say no to expenditures beyond our capacity to pay. We can't carry the expense of granting everyone wish list out of our own pockets--other sources of revenue must be found.
1:40 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

I'm calling BS on this. There is no story anywhere, no police reports and in a twon like Ptown, I can't believe there are things like this pushed under the rug. Somebody will talk. And by now, someone will have talked and there is nothing. BS on this hoax.
12:42 pm edt 

With SeaShore Point Renting Apartments and Rooms......

.....it surely needs different licenses. They are not licensed for this new rental activity and I hope our town officials make certain Seashore Point is in compliance. Let the Licensing agents and Health agents make certain all rules are being followed by this profit-making institution. Now that Seashore Point is in competition with our guests houses and motels, they should follow all the rules that other businesses must follow.
12:41 pm edt 

Re: Taxpayer Back Lash

There are only two realities in life. Death and taxes! If you don't like your taxes going to causes you don't believe in. Do something about it. Sitting at a computer and moaning and growning about it will not make taxes go away.
12:39 pm edt 

Re: Taxpayer Back Lash

FYI. To the blogger who is mad that his taxes subsidises the rest of the town! DUH! WHAT DO YOU THINK TAXES ARE FOR?
12:38 pm edt 

Re: Hate Crime

This was not a hate crime.   Get your facts straight.   The incident had nothing to do with discrimination or hate.   The guy was urinating on private property.  The kids  living in the property came out and asked him to stop peeing on their property.  He was drunk and high, and instead of stopping and walking off, he threw somethign at the residents to further provoke and incite them, at which point they came after him to get him off their property.   A fight started.   There was no hate crime charged, nor did this have anything to do with a hate crime.  
12:36 pm edt 

Why Did Only One Selectmen Show Up to Meet With Governor Deval Patrick?
 
That is just irresponsible. And where was the Chair of the BOS? Too busy selling her frogs? And where were all the others? This is the Governor and a key political player for our town. Politicians who don't understand politics are dangerous.

And if the Governor was planning on meeting with the Chamber or tourism or PBG, why wasn't there enough notification for all of us to be there and show him our support in his present position. What a slight this is and I blame our selectmen for blowing this one. What were they thinking?
10:40 am edt 

Re: Hate Crime

Regarding the "Hate Crime" that was reported previously, it should be noted that the the alleged incident did not occur on the premises of Crown & Anchor and infact the facility was closed at 1:30AM. The incident was not related to any activity associated with Crown & Anchor operations and the proximity of location was purely coincidental.

 
10:17 am edt 

Re: Seashore Point

Does Seashore Point have to have occupancy inspections? There's a chunk of change for the town coffers!!!
8:24 am edt 

Taxpayer Back Lash

There is going to be a backlash from the taxpayers who feel that we are subsidizing the rest of the town--which is what we are doing.

No one is town government is seriously trying to lessen the burden on the taxpayers; the renters in position of power delight in making people with property pay through the nose.

Look at the inflated assessments the town believes land and property are worth. Every penny is being rung out of worker-property owner.

We aren't all trust fund babies who pay our taxes out of stacks of hundreds littering our junk drawers.
8:22 am edt 

Is it True?

I haven't heard a word about a gay bashing--is it true?
8:21 am edt 

Yes Another Hate Crime

A man was beaten by three local kids and was found in the alley next to marine specialities. The three youths were found and arrested. The man was left with a broken nose twenty five stitches to his face and scared for life he was kicked and beaten to a pulp all the while being called faggot.
Will you hear about this on NPR no..will it make the local news no will it make the paper ??.
It seams the three youths have relatives on the police force and the fire department...Will the boys in blue stick together and sweep this under the carpet and try to make it all go away...
Where is this so called no place for hate committee..
Where is HRC...
Hatred seems to run rampant in provincetown.. a place of peace love and understanding BS..
Children are not born with hatred they learn it at home and by their piers.
Where are our town officials in all this especially the two gay selectmen or is it just to hard to speak without Micheal's  hand up your backside to make your lips move ????
where is the outrage for this in this community.
To me there seams to be different sets of rules for different people.. A lesbian gets beaten and put through a window.. and my GOD it was all you heard about on the radio and the news...and if this were a race issue would Obama step in and say the Provincetown police acted stupidly ?
Why does this continue to happen here. This kind of hatred has to stop, Black white gay or lesbian, We as a community have got to come together and just say
NO MORE NOT HERE !!!!!
There should be a curfew for kids under 18 after 11 o'clock they should be at home not roaming the streets looking for gays or lesbians to beat up. Or will it take a death to make this all happen
8:20 am edt 

Re: Family Week

Theme weeks-weekends have ruined this town!  Went out last nite and it was like a busy October weekend.  The town was dead, and this is July!  So many people now check to see what they want to avoid before coming to town. Not so many years ago all summer long the town would be busy with a nice mix of all kinds of people.  And now the most dreaded of all weeks, Family week, is upon us. UGH!  
8:16 am edt 

Hate Crime?
 
Where did you get this "info"? It's not anywhere on the web. Any names of the victim or assailant? Any location? Still in doubt .....
8:14 am edt 

Sunday, July 26, 2009

OH no! Another Hate Crime--

From a local guy? What what this guy taught at home by his parents?
9:29 am edt 

Did You All Hear About the Hate Crime Last Night?

Straight young local male beats gay man to a pulp! By the Crown & Anchor.
7:58 am edt 

Truth be Told

What an absolutely beautiful beach day! Blue skies, dry air and a bit of a sea breeze... How wonderful to be able to live in Provincetown for a third of the year! Enjoy each and everyday, you never know when it may be your last!

PJ
7:55 am edt 

Saturday, July 25, 2009

Re: Prime Responsibilty of the BOS

The meeting with the Governor was on the Town's website. The BOS and Gov. scheduled to meet at 130
10:38 pm edt 

Re:"Our Town is Going Down the XXX"

Unless you can provide more facts than what little you are providing I suggest you stop trying to convince everyone there is allot because there is not. You also need to know that a lawsuit does not mean the Police were wrong. Everyone has the right to file a lawsuit and unfortunately we live in a world where everyone thinks that's the answer.As an Ex-Police Officer, when a lawsuit is filed, the Police not only still get paid but also get paid to defend the lawsuit, so bring it on.
10:33 pm edt 

Question?
 
Why are people being allowed to park on the sidewalk in front of the Post Office...  I thought the purpose of the bricks was so that cars would not park there?
10:31 pm edt 

Report on Meeting With the Governor

To the person who said that the selectmen should not have to 'avail' themselves for a few minutes to the governor (who spent two hours getting here), that meeting you all missed ran over an hour! And Knight brought to the governor's attention the town's interest and need for a transportation center. Devals ears perked up with that info that could really help tourism here....

The Governor spent little time on opening remarks but wanted to hear from those in the audience....VSB, Chamber, PBG and other people interested in giving the Governor important feedback of our challenges in the tourism industry. Austin Knight wanted to talk about the future: the transporation center idea.

A few asked for help getting their message out as a non profit and got it. Like the dog park and provincetown's yacht club are now going to be on the Massachusetts Tourism Website!
10:31 pm edt 

Re: Prime Responsibility of the BOS

Say it isn't so! The Board of Selectmen boycotted the meeting with the tourism boards and Governor Patrick?

I am sure that our Selectmen, all of them, were not only present for that important meeting about tourism (since that's our lifeline) with the Governor but asked for specific things that could help the town and its residents primary and secondary homeowners.

Of course they were all there!
10:28 pm edt 

Prime Responsibilty of the BOS

ACTUALLY THE TOWN MANAGER WAS AT THE MEETING ALONG WITH KNIGHT. ANDERSON, COUTURE, BEDARD AND AVELLER WERE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. WHY DID COUTURE EVEN BOTHER TO POST THE MEETING??
10:26 pm edt 

Re: Prime Responsibility of BOS

Thank you Austin Knight for taking the time to 'plant a seed' about the transportation center in the Governor's ear yesterday. It was a real heartfelt introduction to the Governor and what it could mean to the town. 

As for the rest of his board? MIA!
10:25 pm edt 

Best Season to Date!

I have been here over a decade.  This is my best season to date..........  Am I working harder?  Sure.  Is it worth it?  Putting more money in the bank than ever before.  U TELL ME IF IT IS WORTH WORKING 5 months, and then having the next 5 winters totally paid for?  I THINK SO.
10:23 pm edt 

Re: More Lawsuits?

Can you prove that?  Seems to me the last time I voted on the town's budget at Annual Town Meeting the line item for legal was down dramatically.  So how can there be more lawsuits?

Just more negative bashing from this sites uniformed dramatists.
10:22 pm edt 

Re: Governor and Selectmen

Let's get one thing straight, the governor did not come to town to meet with the selectmen.  He was scheduled to meet with tourism officials (whoever that may be), the selectmen were invited at the very last minute.  It was not a scheduled meeting with the selectmen and at no time would the selectmen have been given the chance to talk with him directly.

He then went onto other stops heading down cape to fundraise for his future run for office.

The selectmen volunteer countless hours each and every week attending meetings and following up on phone calls and e-mails.  But they do have jobs and for you to just expect them to close their businesses on a busy summer day to attend a meet and greet at the last minute is ludicrous.  Maybe you could just call in sick, but some of these people own their businesses.
10:21 pm edt 

Oh, It's Friday: No One is Working

So the selectmen don't have time--again it's Friday--to meet with the Governor? That is absurd! You make time to meet with the Governor and you do this for the best interest of the town. I'm starting to believe they are of limited intelligence and just can't grasp the consequences of their actions and their inactions. They are unbelievable.

Maybe in West Goshen their behavior would be considered acceptable but not here in Provincetown.
10:36 am edt 

Re: The Prime Resonsibilty of the BOS

The four selectmen who were a no show yesterday had more important things to do than advocating for their constituents when the head of the state i.e., our governor came to town yesterday. They'll advocate next time he's here for us I am sure.
10:20 am edt 

The Prime Responsibility of the BOS

"I'm a volunteer firefighter." (Not really ... just trying to make a point.)  I don't feel like saving that life or fighting that fire today - I have better things to do."

If that is the mentality of volunteer positions in this town - then resign.  There's no point in doing it.
10:04 am edt 

About Seashore Point:

Before you spout off again about Seashore Point, I suggest you get your facts straight. Phase 2 has not been canceled. It will be built when Phase 1 is filled. If people (and not just anyone...people over 55 with the money this town apparently needs) see how lovely it is there, perhaps they will move in. What will this do? Fill Phase 1 so Phase 2 can begin. What will this do? (are y'all able to follow along?) Create more jobs for the people in town.
10:02 am edt 

The Other Side of the Coin

My friends who are waiters are bringing in the *Big Bucks*. One is having his best season in three years at one of the top places--working lunch. The rain is making people eat during the day.

He is worn out, does  not party--and is going to cut back on his night job in August. August first is next Saturday!
10:01 am edt 

Re: "Our town is Going Down the XXXXXX!

"We have more lawsuits due to our wonderful police force and our ridiculous town manager than we will ever be able to recoup from."
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So this would be an example of critical and analytical?
9:59 am edt 

Re: Never a Dull Nanosecond

So wrong are you......I dont drink and I have a life most of which spent "WORKING" get it "WORKING" not sitting alone drinking and thinking of ways to exxpress my thoughts on a small town blog....sheeeeesh talk about needing to get a life.                    

Never a dull moment
9:57 am edt 

Re: Prime Responsibility of the BOS

"To suggest that they should avail themselves for a couple of minutes with the governor is absurd."
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I think it's absurd that they didn't take the few minutes to meet with the governor!  It's their sworn duty as selectmen! Whether it's a volunteer position or not - they still have a duty to further the interests of Provincetown -if they are too busy to meet with the governor, then they are too busy to be BOS and should resign.

Section 2 Article 3 of the Board of Selectmen Rules and Procedures states: "Special meetings of the Board may be called by the Chairman with the concurrence of a majority of the remaining members of the Board; however, the required
statutory forty-eight hours public notice of such a meeting may not be waived."

When these folks ran to be selectmen, they swore an oath to abide by these rules and to make the interests of Provincetown a priority (whether they have other jobs or not).  It's a slap in the face to the governor that there was such a poor showing - how do the BOS think they can gain favor with the leader of the state when they can't be bothered to show up.
9:56 am edt 

Re: Town Lawsuits

Our town is going down the       !  We have more lawsuits due to our wonderful police force and our ridiculous town manager than we will ever be able to recoup from.
7:49 am edt 

Friday, July 24, 2009

Who Did and Who Did Not Meet With Governor Deval Patrick?

Is someone saying that only one selectmen met with him today? If this is true, this is a poor showing from this town. Yes, I know the town is on a four day work week, so Fridays people are not working and not available. Time to ditch this poor work schedule.
11:00 pm edt 

Re: Selectmen too Busy to Bother

Has it occurred to you that selectmen are volunteers.  They don't get paid to be selectmen and most of them have real jobs, just like everyone else.  To suggest that they should avail themselves for a couple of minutes with the governor is absurd.  It's summer, everyone's busy working, even your selectmen.
10:59 pm edt 

Re: Never a Dull Nanosecond Opined..

..a "certain bunch of people sit and type away over a cheap bottle of wine..."
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Sir (and I bet you're a dude),properly calibrate your comments! At this very moment I am enjoying a rocks glass brimming with Tanqueray Ten Gin with a squeeze of lemon. Much better then that Yellow Tail you seem to be dragging around.

Bubble Up
10:57 pm edt 

Here's Are Two Constructive Suggestions:
 
-Selectmen please stop manipulating your constituents into believing the town septic is not inferior so you can proceed with phase 3 or not look incompetent if you voted for it in the first place.
-when the Governor visits Provincetown as he did today, could you tell us why only one of you met with him today for the group discussion on our economy? too busy to bother?
6:12 pm edt 

Town Hall and Sewer System

TOWNHALL IS ON THE SEWAR SYSTEM! THE LEACHING AREA IS FOR RAIN RUN OFF FROM THE ROOF.
5:14 pm edt 

It's so Nice to Hear You All Crying Over a Glass of Cheap Wine Again

I've been very busy working this summer and found a moment to check out "mypacc"  It's so nice to see that not only do a "certain bunch of people" sit and type away over a cheap bottle of wine, complaning about the things they wish they knew somthing about all winter....they also do it in the summer...Listen close folks "GET A #%$&@#% life.                  

NEVER A DULL MOMENT
5:13 pm edt 

Re: Town Hall Not Hooked up to the Sewer System?
 
You're not going to get an answer in here. Take it to the selectmen and stump them with their own rules. Lets see how they slime their way out of that one? It would only seem fair that if everyone else had to, then Town Hall would too. They're right in the middle of the town, right near one of the lowest places in town by elevation and if the Title V didn't exist then maybe the trees wouldn't have needed to be hacked the way they were. The roof runoff system could possibly have gopne elswewhere without disturbing the roots and the trees. But no, lets not put any THOUGHT into it!
1:53 pm edt 

Re: Negative, My dear, Or Critical and Analytical?

"There is a difference and it may be missed by some. I applaud the many who post here with critical insights and who show where some of our problems really are."
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I respectfully disagree with you.  The great majority of things written on this blog are negative.  Negative and very seldom do they include a productive suggestion on how to improve or resolve the issue.  It's far easier to sit at your computer and be critical than it is to suggest a solution and help to implement that solution.

Take an objective minute and review the posts.  Negative, negative, negative with no alternative solutions thoughtfully suggested.  You may call it critical and analytical, fine.  But, it's so easy to be 'critical and analytical', so difficult to come up with productive suggestions for improvement or resolution of the issue.
1:51 pm edt 

Town Hall Not Hooked up to the Sewer System?


I only realized that Town Hall was not hooked up to the sewer system when the issue of the pallarded trees came into question. It was explained that the trees derived their water supply from a leeching field, which was scheduled to be disturbed during the next phase of Town Hall rehabilitation.

This implies that Town Hall, operates on a Title-5 septic system and is not hooked up to the sewer system. Town By-Laws require that all major building construction necessitate the building
to be added to the sewer system and payment into the sewer Betterment fund.

Further to the point, the town is not excluded from this process. It is noted that in fact, it would be
the citizens paying into the betterment fund. However, this could possibly represent some measure of fiscal relief for current users of the system.

The issue here is that of due-process and that we all, individually and as well town government, are obliged to follow the process spelled out in our by-laws.

12:32 pm edt 

Negative, My dear, Or Critical and Analytical?
 
There is a difference and it may be missed by some. I applaud the many who post here with critical insights and who show where some of our problems really are. This does snot mean that these individuals are negative or mean but concerned enough to point out the flaws and areas that need attention in Provincetown. They provide some level of transparency that we will not receive from town officials nor selectmen.
9:21 am edt 

Thursday, July 23, 2009

Rent a Night at Seashore Point
 
    For $100, you can book a room at Seashore point. Only $100? Now this town-funded give away is competing head-on with our guest houses and motels. Amazing. We gave them the land. We gave them 1 million dollars, we gave them cemetery land that was once owned by the dioceses of Fall River and now we pay the diocese $35,000 a year rent. And if they default or decide, as they already have, not to do the next Phase, they own the land we gave them.

    Another messed up deal--just like the Ted Malone give away. This town never seems to learn. It never protects its own interests but gives the best part of itself away. Maybe Ted Malone will now offer affordable rentals by renting these apartments at Seashore point.

What goes around comes around.
6:58 pm edt 

There are Sexual Harassments Suits and Legal cases Against Many of Our Boards

You can make money, plenty of it, being the law firm for this town. There are many law suits, many documents lawyers review, and they are paid quite well. This town faces many law suits and the sewer muck up will surely more to this town, to the DPW, to the companies DPW brought in, and also to how the town mishandled this mucky situation.
6:56 pm edt 

Re: Shout Out!

Do you people search for negative Provincetown news and rush to get to Shout Out! to tell everyone?  

Sure seems that way.
1:04 pm edt 

Extreme High Tides Are Expected Soon--

Lets see where the rack line will be.
1:03 pm edt 

Re: Stop & Shop

Stop and Shop will undergo a major and total renovation come labor day. The deli section will be on the opposite side of the store and in the back--by the fish probably.
1:02 pm edt 

Lawsuits Against Our Town

Thats not the only case pending against this town. There are lawsuits galore and Sharon Lynn is hiding them from you!

Most of them, sadly, involve our police.
1:01 pm edt 

The Governor is Coming!?

Governor Patrick is meeting with the Board of Selectmen on Friday regarding tourism.

Why isn't this front page news?
8:17 am edt 

Another Police Lawsuit!

Did you all see the article in the Boston Herald? Here's an exerpt:

"Robert Lippi loves dogs - so much that hes willing to make a federal case out of it.

The retired New Jersey educator, who trains therapy canines, has filed suit in U.S. District Court in Boston accusing the Provincetown Police Department of false arrest and defamation for allegedly accusing him of punching Bella, his pride and joy rescued greyhound, in the head."

A federal case, just what we need. To read the rest of the article, go to the Herald site and type 'Provincetown' in the search box.
8:16 am edt 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Re: Provincetown Police
 
Stop, talk and walk is not anything new here.  That doesn't necessarily mean they have to walk in all the stores....  Where else do you see the cops in stores?  Not in Yarmouth, Barnstable or anywhere else..... Let's be reminded they are a police department not a Visitor center!
10:52 pm edt 

Re: Lemonade Girl
 
I don't get it.  So, now it's unsafe for people 4 feet tall or less to walk on Commercial.  Unbelieveable!  Go back to Nazi Germany.  This is a free country, and if someone that's only 4 feet tall (and a teenager by the way), wants to walk on Commercial, I hardly see why that is abuse.
10:49 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

People have been complaining about police officers from the day a police department was created. People feel that they are entitled to "misbehave" if they wish and the police are there to put the kabash on such behavior..so the police are seen as "fun killers".

I see them as serving and protecting the public.
10:48 pm edt 

Re: "Get Off Your High Horse PJ"

I don't believe I am on a high horse, I prefer to ride a bike. If the SEGWAY was given to the town then I am fine with it. My point was that I support the police but I do not support fiscal frivolity in these difficult financial times. I think that the chief is doing a great job and has instituted some good policies.

Going for a bike ride,PJ
10:46 pm edt 

Police History Comment
 
  IAM WRITING AGAIN TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT THE PROVINCETOWN POLICE DID IN THE PAST AND MY OPION FOR WHAT IS NEEDED NOW. FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT HERE DURING 1970-1990 THE STREETS OF PROVINCETOWN WAS WHERE THE TROUBLE WAS. UNDER CHIEF MEADS AND STAFF SGT WARREN CRAWLEY
LEADERSHIP 4 OR MORE REGULAR OFFICER WERE ALWAYS ON THE STREETS FOR 6 AND 8 AND 12 HOUR SHIFTS 4PM TO 3AM. CHECKING THE BARS WAS A ROUTINE TASK FOR US. AND WHEN 1AM CAME AROUND WE WERE IN FRONT OF THESE BARS.
  REGARDING THE COMMENT THAT  I HAVE BEEN GONE AND NOT THERE NOW WEARING A 10 GALLON HAT. AND A VEST. AND SUFFERING THE HEAT. I CAN ONLY REPEAT WHAT I STATED SOMETIMES DURING THE 1970S.  PRIOR TO COMING TO THE POLICE I SPENT FOUR YEARS IN THE US MARINES. ONE YEAR IN VIETNAM.  PS IT WAS HOT THERE, AND I WORE A VEST, HELMET, CARRIED A RIFLE [PLUS MOOCHO AMMO ETC. AND WE WALKED AND WALKED.  MY COMRADES ON THE POLICE THEN WILL TELL YOU NOW THAT MANY TIMES I COMMENTED THAT WALKING THE STRETS OF PROVINCETOWN WAS AS DIFFICULT AS BEING IN THE MARINES.
  THE TOWN OF PROVINCETOWN WAS VERY FORTUNATE IN CHIEF MEADS POLICY OF RECRUITING LOCAL MEN AND WOMEN TO THE FORCE. WE ALL SERVED 30 YEARS  ON THE AVERAGE. CHIEF JARRON IS ATTEMPTING TO DO THE SAME WITH THE HIRING OF NEW OFFICERS WITH A DESIRE TO STAY IN PROVINCETOWN.
  DURING  MY RETIRED LAST 10 YEARS I STILL LIKE TO DRIVE DOWN TOWN. MY ONLY COMMENT TO CHIEF ANTHONY, MEYERS AND TOBIAS WAS THAT SEEING A REGULAR OFFICER DOWN TOWN WAS LIKE SEEING A UNICORN. WE ALL HAVE HEARD OF THEM, BUT WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE. NOW I DO, AND EVEN CHIEF JARRON HAS BEEN ON FOOT PATROL MANY TIMES.  SO LETS LET HIM CONTINUE AS HE IS.

PAUL MENDES
RESIDENT
8:22 am edt 

Re: Spiritus at Night

I cant believe someone has brought that dead horse up again! The Spiritus problems were in the last century (when I hung out there at 1AM). That was a long time ago!
8:18 am edt 

Re: Lemonade Girl

Two years ago at Halloween a couple of guys dressed up as the lemoade girls - that alone should scare the parents into not wanting their daughters hawking lemonade on the streets of Provincetown.  It's bad when someone can make a Halloween costume out of your children (and people get it!)
8:17 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

We are supposed to have a "stop, talk and walk" policy with the police force, but with the new toys our policeforce have, it is way too much fun riding around. As a business owner I have not even had one cop into my store to introduce himself.
We see the "statue cops" standing on street corners while several bars allow underage kids to get drunk at their establishments on a nightly basis.  There was a time when the cops were actually friendly but I guess those were the good old days.
Maybe we should focus on a professional police force and not think that a new shiny building will make our Police force more professional.
8:16 am edt 

Tuesday, July 21, 2009

Re: PJ Bikes and Segways
 
Get off your high horse PJ.  The Segway was given to the town for free and I for one like to see the officer visible on the streets moving about at least a foot above the crowds and traffic.

Chief Jaran is doing a great job compared to the long list of incompetent recent chiefs.  Tobias just wanted to be everyone's buddy and even gave away huge overtime funds to his pals.  Meyers was just a failed experiment at public relations.  Jaran is running the force with fewer officers, fewer incidents, within budget AND he's walking a beat.

And FYI, officers need to go to two weeks of special bicycle patrol training (god knows why?) but officers on Segways need no special training.
11:08 pm edt 

Re: Police Officers on Bikes
 
I realize there are police officers on bikes and that's my point. Why do we need officers on a SEGWAY? We already have them on bikes. Its just another expensive toy to play with. Bikes are healthy for the officers and will help to keep them in shape.

PJ
10:33 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

I've had too much to drink and I'm out on the street and the police take me in.  Yes, that's the police depts fault.

I'm a year-round resident, the police should know me and leave me alone when I'm drunk on my a**.
9:44 pm edt 

Re: Police Officers on Bikes
 
There is an officer on a bike.....
9:42 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

First, people were mad because the COPS were not in the bars....  Now their mad because they ARE checking out the bars.

Which is it?  If you have no problems and all is in order...  Feel free to have fun and dance....
9:40 pm edt 

Re: Protective Custody

A very nice expose about the past.. although what that has to do with the present, I wonder.

There have been a handful of police chiefs since the time you served, yet only Jeff Jaran was mentioned. Have you served under him? Neither have I.... but something tells me It might change your perspective about police work in Proinccetown.

Perhaps when you have walked the beat with a bullet proof vest --- wearing a ten gallon hat in the heat of the day --- you might, just maybe, formulate a different impression.

While I agree that our patrol officers are doing the best they can under the circumstances, and protective custody is a very nice alternative to arrest, I wonder why a problematic chief of police is being credited for a policy that was implemented long before he even knew where Provincetown was?
9:38 pm edt 

What's Best For the Lemonade Girl?

It's called public safety and it's common sense.  I'm sorry you don't have any.  Clearly her parents don't have a clue either.  

And although I never said it was OK for Ellie to do this and not the lemonade girl, comparing an almost 6-foot tall Ellie singing with the aid of a loud speaker to a four-foot tall little girl is erroneous.  Ellie has a license to do what she does, and she's old enough to make her own choices - this is not the same as the lemonade girl.  But Ellie is a good example of one of the unique sights that line Commercial Street - and is all the more reason the lemonade girl should stay off of it.  

I have seen many people who have been hit, had a foot run over or were knocked into by a moving vehicle on Commercial Street - why a parent would allow their child to endanger herself like this is a type of neglect.

I guess we just have to "agree to disagree" - you don't have a problem with it, I see it as a dangerous way to pedal lemonade.  I just hope the next article the Banner writes about her isn't about a terrible accident.  
9:36 pm edt 

Provincetown Police

Paul, Thanks for Your Posting

I appreciate what you wrote. Thanks.
9:34 pm edt 

Re: Lemonade Girl

Boy...are you dense... Just because the lemonade girl wants to do this doesn't make it safe and ok.  Your comparison of Ellie, an adult, is stupid to say the least.  Her parents should know better than to allow this.  I really don't care about what the BANNER has written.  It is unsafe. If kids knew what was best for them, they wouldn't need adults.  Why are you advocating against this child's safety?
9:33 pm edt 

Re: Duartes Parking Lot

Why is the blocking of Spiritus Pizza allowed every weekend?  What happens to the flow of traffic there?  Oh, Let's blame the police !
9:32 pm edt 

Re: Police Action:

Perhaps you should live in BOSTON!!  If you don't feel safe here, MOVE....  
9:31 pm edt 

Provincetown Police

I am a true supporter of the Police Dept, but what's up with a SEGWAY? I think a police officer on a bicycle would have been better than a SEGWAY... lets see  SEGWAY - a couple of thousand dollars vs. a bicycle for a few hundred. Did we pay for the SEGWAY or was it a gift. If we bought it, then we need better fiscal oversight as this is a luxury the Police do not need.

PJ
9:30 pm edt 

"No Shade"
 
You are wrong to give compliments to Michele and Sharon for trimming the trees in front of Town Hall. It was in no way their idea to do this so we could see the new paint. The only reason the trees became an issue is because of the excavating of the front lawn that needs to be done in order to install storm water catch basins. This excavation would have certainly killed the mature trees that were there. The contractors plan was to cut them down completely, the BOS, Sharon, and everyone else involved in the decision making process approved of that. It wasn't until Barbra Rushmore came forward with some ides that the act of pruning them came about.

Your giving false compliments to those people degrade the real compliments they deserve.

And by the way, have you sat on the benches in the full sun yet? It is no fun. I would much rather have the shade than to be able to watch all of that new expensive paint peel off of Town Hall.

A Rat In The Basement
9:29 pm edt 

Re: Protective Custody

  I WISH TO TELL OF MY EXPERIENCE WITH PROTECTIVE CUSTODY. FROM 1970 TO 1998 I PROUDLY SERVED MY HOME TOWN AS A PROVINCETOWN POLICE OFFICER.  IN 1970 THE TERM WAS DRUNK AND TAKEN IN CUSTODY MEANT MAYBEE GOING TO COURT. HOWEVER THE LAW WAS CHANGED AND IT NOW BECAME INTOXICATED PERSON IP NOT DRUNK.  THIS WAS EVENTUALLY CHANGED TO PROTECTIVE CUSTODY WHICH MEANS JUST THAT.
  ANY PERSONS DETAINED UNDER THIS LAW ARE RELEASED AND NO RECORD IS KEPT OF THE INCIDENT. ON MANY OCCASIONS I RESPONDED TO INCIDENTS THAT IF THE PERSONS INVOLVED HAD BEEN DETAINED UNDER PROTECTIVE CUSTODY ALL WOULD BE BETTER OFF. BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE PERSONS.
 I HAVE USED PROTECTIVE CUSTODY ON PEOPLE ON THE STREET, IN BARS, HOMES, ON BOATS AND EVEN IN CHURCH AND AT WEDDINGS. IF A DETAINEE HAS A COMPLAINT THERE ARE PROCEDURES IN PLACE TO MAKE THE COMPLAINT.
 ALSO REGARDING THE POLICE NOW AGAIN WALKING INTO THE BAR ROOMS. A LEGIMATE BAR OWNER AND MANAGER WILL WELCOME THEIR PRESENCE.  ALSO I AGREE WITH THE STOP SIGNS ON BRADFORD AND HOWLAND STREET. AND I ALSO WAS STOPPED BY THE POLICE ON THE IST DAY.  THE OFFICER POLITELY INFORMED ME OF WHY THE SIGN WAS INSTALLED AND THE NEED FOR IT.
  I HAVE WITNESSED MANY VERY GOOD IMPROVEMENTS WITH CHIEF JARRON IN CHARGE. I SUPPORT HIS EFFORTS IN MAKING NEEDED CHANGES IN  OUR DEPARTMENT.  CONTINUE THE MARCH

PAUL C MENDES,
 
RESIDENT
5:44 pm edt 

Lemonade Girl--

It's just as safe for her to pull her cart up and down the street as it is for Ellie to pull her cart.   The girl wants to do this.  Her parent's are not focing her to do it.  Don't you read The Banner.  There's been several articles about it over the past couple years.  Why do you think you know what's best for her?
5:40 pm edt 

State to Provide Funds For Transportation Hub

Just read that the state approved funds for planning a transprotation "hub".  Hopefully this will also mean relocating the taxi terminal AWAY from the cemetary and cut traffic, illegal  parking and noise on standish, alden, and cemetary dramatically.
5:39 pm edt 

Re: Police Action

From all I have read in the papers and on the internet it seems like the ptown police are down right dangerous.  There can't be that much press out there if there is not some truth to the matter.
5:37 pm edt 

Re: Police Action
 
I speak from the unfortunate experiance of being a victim of the Provincetown police.  So zip your lip!

To whomever this may concern:
Before you criticize the Police about their actions such as the ones (recently) posted here, I highly recommend "unless you were there, to zip your lip"...The only ones that may have the right to complain are the actual people there or in the immediate vicinity "not those who read the Banner". Before you find it necessary to pick on the Police because you got nothing better to do "base your facts soley on the fact you were there".
9:44 pm est
5:36 pm edt 

Duarte's Parking:

The traffic jam is a problem but, then again so isn't blocking the road at Spiritus...... Figure out a plan for both !
1:34 pm edt 

I'm glad for the Four Way Stop Sign at Howland & Bradford

But do we really need police policing at this spot? And, again, as someone else wrote, where were the police for the last eight years? They never stopped those who drove fixty miles an hour along Bradford. They have been absent for all these years. Now, Bradford is the spot for the police to be seen doing the chief's work!
1:33 pm edt 

Re: Police and Local Businesses

If the police are going to put certain bars out of business for selling to minors and not cutting people off when they've had enough causing street fights and hate crimes by minors, then I say 'shut em down'.

if you're not doing anything wrong, you should be inviting the presence of police in your establishment.

Selling to minors is illegal but some greedy business people will ignore the laws for profit.
1:09 pm edt 

Re: Duarte's Parking Lot

Year after year I complain to the Police regarding Duarte's Parking lot. If you live east of this Lot and have to travel past it on Bradford Street, I don't have to tell you what I mean.
 
For those who don't, a LARGE traffic jam builds up on Bradford street, especially on rainy days, as patrons wait in line on Bradford Street to enter the parking lot. I have seen it backed up as far as Farland Provisions. There is NO way around it. Why are they allowed to impede the free flow of traffic on our streets as a result of their Business? If my Business or home were to REGULARLY create such a traffic jam, I Would have some explaining to do, and yet, this same traffic jam occurs Year after Year and I'm frankly tired of it.
1:08 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Police

I think the police are going to ruin a lot of business for local bars.  Have you been out recently they keep "sweeping" and it's a bit of a downer when your out dancing and having a good time.  I'm not doing anything wrong and don't think I should feel like I am either.  It's like they are spying on us even more than normal.  I get there doing their jobs, but it's my business if I want to have a couple of beers, dance, and then walk home.  I don't need them making me feel like I'm robbing a bank or something.
12:48 pm edt 

Re: Lemonade Girl

They should sell there good from their front yards just as everyone else used to do.  I guess I can start walking up & down the street selling shirts or my photos, good cause or not follow the rules.  I can't sell hot dogs from my bike to raise money for the library or the Swim for Life... So why should they be able to?
plus- kids should be enjoying their summers while they still can, not walking up & down Commerical Street, isn't there child labor laws because of things like this?
12:46 pm edt 

Howland & Bradford St:

I have lived a few houses down from that intersection for over 26 years and have seen some close calls.  People feel it's alright to speed by a playground? The police are just trying to make a point and get people to see whats going on.  They pulled me over since I just "forgot" to stop and they just gave me a verbal warning.  The last straw was a dog was hit right there by a car speeding down Bradford Street. People forget that there are homes right there and kids, animals, people at the store... is it really that big a deal to have to stop.  I don't think they should pull eveyone over just flash their lights, let people have a chance to know & remember there is a four way stop now.

*But if they didn't give tickets out to everyone for everything how would they pay for all their new fancy toys!!  
12:45 pm edt 

Re: Lemonade Girl...

Unless she is Emanual (aka. Webster), she is too small to be out hawking lemonade on a street that is not only difficult to drive on, but to walk or bike ride on.  Is there something wrong with you?  
12:43 pm edt 

Re: Twin Visionaries Sharon & Michele?
 
I rather think this blogger was saying this tongue in cheek. I don't believe this was said with actual praise for these two women. Maybe, but maybe not.
10:05 am edt 

Re: Lemonade Girl

I am giving my opinion.  It is unsafe for any child to haul a wagon up and down busy Commercial Street on hot, busy summer days.  Between the tourists wandering aimlessly in the road, cyclists racing in both directions, trolley busses, and crazy drivers (sometimes drunk in the middle of the day) trying to navigate the narrow street is UNSAFE.  I am not condemning her motives, intentions and goals for lemonade sales - I am however questioning the wisdom of her parents for allowing this to happen.  I have a life - and I think it would be great if the lemonade girl were afforded the opportunity to continue living hers - and not as a paraplegic because she was hit by the driver of a giant SUV who wasn't paying attention because s/he was too busy staring at the drag queens on Commercial Street.  Clearly you are a family member or at a friend of the family - you should be concerned for this girl's safety.
10:04 am edt 

Re: Lemonade Girl

Again, get your facts straight!  She is much older than she appears.  Bottomline, it's not unsafe for her or abusive of her to walk up and down Commercial Street with a cart.  You need to get a life or get lost!
8:44 am edt 

Re: False Advertising

I also tried to get my townie discount card at                                as advertised in the magazine this week and was rudely told they were stopping the discount card! I will never go back, its very expensive and not friendly! The new                        !
8:42 am edt 

Re: Lemonade and Cupcakes..

I love lemonade and cupcakes..... If you don't like them then don't buy them.
8:23 am edt 

To: "No Shade"

You are wrong to give compliments to Michele and Sharon for trimming the trees in front of Town Hall. It was in no way their idea to do this so we could see the new paint. The only reason the trees became an issue is because of the excavating of the front lawn that needs to be done in order to install storm water catch basins. This excavation would have certainly killed the mature trees that were there. The contractors plan was to cut them down completely, the BOS, Sharon, and everyone else involved in the decision making process approved of that. It wasn't until Barbra Rushmore came forward with some ides that the act of pruning them came about.

Your giving false compliments to those people degrade the real compliments they deserve.

And by the way, have you sat on the benches in the full sun yet? It is no fun. I would much rather have the shade than to be able to watch all of that new expensive paint peel off of Town Hall.

A Rat In The Basement
8:21 am edt 

Congrats to the Police Chief!

The change in the force has been remarkable under his leadership.  You actually see the police out, walking around, and making eye contact.  
8:02 am edt 

Flood Remapping

If you read last weeks article on the front page, you will learn that some houses with basements will have to forgo the  use of their basements if they are in the new high risk area.

One fifth of the year round population of Provincetown is going to be affected with astronomical flood insurance rates.

It is in the banner.

~~~What we have is a police force--not a Gestapo. Take your concerns to the police chief; go to the selectmen's meeting and speak up.

Don't be so passive aggressive; try to engage in direct action for a change instead of trembling in the shadows afraid to speak up.
8:00 am edt 

What About All the Violations in Town?

Why aren't licensing requirements being met and noncompliant owners being warned or fined.  Homefront businesses?  Stuff hanging out of doorways onto decks and streets?  Nonliscened vendors on the uu lawn (remember the hassle with the farmers market?)  Don't give me the hard edge over the lemonade girl... She needs to be a little girl, not a sacrifice for a cause.  
7:58 am edt 

Do I Look Like a Fire Hydrant?

You really think I'll believe that the cupcake guy has a license to set up on a corner and sell cupcakes?  Board of health inspection of his baking facilities?  Went before the licensing board? "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining," Judge Judy.
7:57 am edt 

Re: Lemonade Girl

I don't know the lemonade girl, nor do I know her background story - but if that story is true, shouldn't her adoptive parents be a little more concerned for her safety?  Hauling that wagon up and down Commercial Street on hot summer days all by herself is dangerous - and it constitutes a different type of abuse (whether she wants to do it or not) and her parents should know better.  It's like the little league teams that collect money in cans at busy intersections.  It's not safe.  It's not smart.  And the parents should know better.  
7:54 am edt 

False Advertising!

I read in the Provincetown Magazine that the new owners of a pizza joint want to give back to the year rounders by having townie cards that you could use to get a discount on what you buy there! A great idea because when the tourists are not here in the off seasons the town folk will still be here and most likely remember who gave them a break in the high priced summer and buy at their restaurant! GUESS WHAT. NO SUCH LUCK! After not even a week the owners have stopped the townie cards and are not giving out anymore! What a slap in our faces, What are they thinking? And the former owner who works there was even mean when I asked for a card! And she knew that I have gone there faithfully since they opened years ago and have been going there almost every week this year! Guess I'll go down the street from now on! How twisted can these new owners be???
7:48 am edt 

Monday, July 20, 2009

Who Are You?

If people want to complain about the police, they have that right. Who are you to admonish people for their thoughts and opnions.


And if people want to defend our policy force who are you to admonish people for their thoughts and opinions?
11:17 pm edt 

Whoa!

If people want to complain about the police, they have that right. Who are you to admonish people for their thoughts and opnions. They have the right to register their disastisfactions and to register their questions about the police. Sorry, but this is not a police state where only the rule of law is the spoken word.
10:56 pm edt 

Do We Really Need the Police Hiding to Catch Drivers at the Howland and Bradford Intersection?

I know that our chief moved into the neighborhood but should that mean that the police now hide along the streets to catch anyone who doesn't stop at the four way stop signs? For ten years, you never saw a police car on Bradford--they were never, ever there--but now, our chief is in the neighborhood and here they are! Behind the playground, along the side street, watching to catch someone who doesn't stop at the four way stop sign. But where were you during the last ten years when anyone of us would be hard pressed to ever see a police car drive along Bradford. And harder still to ever see a police officer ever stop anyone for going fast?

And why are the police parked along Commercial Street near Cape Inn watching bathers? What are they really watching?
10:55 pm edt 

Re: I Highly Recommend "Unless You Were There, to Zip Your Lip"...

They'll respond to you after they stumble out of the Gov Bradford, climb in their car and drive home.  Unless the police pull them over, but that would be the fault of the police force also.
10:51 pm edt 

Sometimes I Wonder:

If this town didn't long ago mortgaged its future. I wonder whether this town ever looked long-term and why it didn't seize so many opportunites--to purchase beaches, open land, keep its once fifty wharves and entertain along the water-swept wharves with a crips wine, a little champange, a touch of shrimp, a bite of carpaccio. Why couldn't it then see its own future? Why does it now fail to see what it could really be? Somthing seems to prohibit this town from seizing the seeds of its greatness. It seems to give its resources away, as if they aren't important, and it continues today as it gives away land, money and water to those who least give back to this town what it deserves. There's an elegy here that sad;y should be writen.
10:49 pm edt 

Ours is a Very Sad, Sad Police Force and Everyone Knows it
 
Could you possibly be more negative?  I don't have one, not one, issue with our police force.  I'm pretty sure there is more to the story of the person who wrote the unsigned letter to the Banner.
10:48 pm edt 

No Shade, But Such a Perfect View of Our Million Dollar Baby

Cut and trim the trees. Allow the sun to shine. Give the town people the most direct view of their money -being-spent-project. Now you can see Town Hall--what did we do before? Lost views, like lost horizons, with leaves, twigs, and buds interrupting our views. With the insight of Sharon and Michele, we can now see our Town Hall directly and see the new paint and new construction. What better use of our Bradford Pears than to have them subdued, made like little midgets, so that all--residents and tourists--can now have a wide-angle view of Town Hall.

I can only applaud our twin visionaries--Sharon and Michele.
10:46 pm edt 

Police Action
 
To whomever this may concern:
Before you criticize the Police about their actions such as the ones (recently) posted here, I highly recommend "unless you were there, to zip your lip"...The only ones that may have the right to complain are the actual people there or in the immediate vicinity "not those who read the Banner". Before you find it necessary to pick on the Police because you got nothing better to do "base your facts soley on the fact you were there".
10:44 pm edt 

Lemonade and Cupcakes:
 
The cupcake guy is licensed to sell them.  The lemonade girl is a refugee, who was abused and subsequently adopted.  She sells lemonade and turns the money over to stop abuse of other children in her native country.  She's a good-deed-doer.  

Get a life and get your facts straight!
10:42 pm edt 

Chicken Little

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.  All basement apartments will have to be emptied.  Massive homelessness expected.

It is my understanding that any NEW construction will have to abide by the construction constraints of the new flood maps.  Which actually makes sense if you stop and think about it.

Did you really think the federal government would basically tell every who owns a basement apartment within the flood map that their property is now worthless?  Their home or investment erased in one fell swoop?  

Yes they will now have to purchase flood insurance (some may not due to a grandfather clause) but no one will be homeless.  The sky is not falling Mr Chicken.
10:41 pm edt 

Re: Police July 4th Action

If it was a onetime occurrence i might look at it through foggy glasses like you but it happens all too often in Provincetown.  Face it the Police are untrained bullies and the town is managed by a bunch of idiots that are too scared of them to speak up.  I will be glad when the town runs out of money due to all the lawsuits and rots as it deserves.

There is no hope for the town it has become an ugly place to visit and the numbers are proving it.
10:39 pm edt 

Our Overzealous Police:

Perhaps that resident withheld his/her name because they, like us, are scared of our own police and what they have gotten away with the past few years.

Ours is a very sad, sad police force and everyone knows it.
10:37 pm edt 

Re: Flood Plain Insurance

Get ready to remortgage to pay your flood insurance bill. Get ready, basement-apartment dwellers, you will have to move.



Oh no, the sky is falling, what will we do chicken little?  We'll adjust, we always do.
10:35 pm edt 

Re:Provincetown Public Pier Corporation, Lenoard Clingham

Be prepared for more of the same on MacMillan Pier. Two of the applicants are operating their businesses off the pier.
And we know Clinghon won't speak up to try to restore the integrity of his board.
10:34 pm edt 

Re: Wind Turbines

According to MapQuest it's 3.75 from Provincetown Airport to Snail Road so it would seem the median in Rte 6 at the entrance to Provincetown would be an option (more than 2 miles from an airport)
10:33 pm edt 

Re: Wind Turbines

The FAA regs state that nothing over 150 feet tall can be installed within a 2 mile radius of the airport which pretty much eliminates most of Provincetown from pursuing a wind turbine.


What about in the median on Rte 6 right as you enter Provincetown?  Don't have my odomoter on me, but isn't that more than 2 miles from the airport?  Just asking.
10:31 pm edt 

Dire Consequences of Flood Map
 
Look at all of the places that will be affected on the land side of commerical Street from Front Street to Town Hall.

Get ready to remortgage to pay your flood insurance bill. Get ready, basement-apartment dwellers, you will have to move.

Get ready Provincetown.
4:26 pm edt 

Re:Provincetown Public Pier Corporation, Lenoard Clingham

Why doesn't the chair of the Provincetown Public Pier Corporation, Lenoard Clingham have a moral and ethical compass? For five years he turned a blind out to continued violations of the state conflict of ethics laws by the board member who was told not to bother reapplying for another term? The Massachusetts State Ethics Department gives his fellow director a 'warning' according to this week's paper.

He has the nerve to try to minimize it? Blame others?

No wonder no one wants to be on that board with illegal records keeping cited by the Commonwealth. He has overseen a morally bankrupt board full of self-dealers! Time for him to go.............!

Len Clingham's swan song has been driving our beloved pirate museum off MacMillan Pier and out of town. Please don't volunteer for anything else. You've hurt the town enough!
4:25 pm edt 

Re: Lemonade Girl

have you ever talked to her? maybe she likes going up and down the street meeting people. she doesn't srike me as a miserable kid (i've actually bought some lemonade from her.) or maybe she wants to buy a house here one day. never too early to start saving.
4:23 pm edt 

Re: Truro vs Provincetown

See look at the wonderful and insightful conversations I started with the comment about why would Truro want anything to do with Provincetown.  I do how ever have to state that for some the reason for leaving Provincetown to Truro wasn't about price but about quality of life.  It was about the little things, not just the o'mighty dollar.  Some people live for other things than just money my dears, there is something called happiness and I just don't see much of it in this town anymore.
1:43 pm edt 

Re: Seamens Bank

Has anyone heard that an inditement being handed down for the employee of Seamens Bank  
1:42 pm edt 

Re: Wind Energy

Wellfleet doesn't have an airport and FAA regulations to deal with.  The FAA regs state that nothing over 150 feet tall can be installed within a 2 mile radius of the airport which pretty much eliminates most of Provincetown from pursuing a wind turbine.

But it's so much easier for you to just balk that our government doesn't do anything than to get the facts.

And congratulations to the pier for getting a small turbine which is beautiful to look at.  Candace, can't you find something wrong with that?  After all, it is the pier...
1:40 pm edt 

Re: Police July 4th Action
 
What amazes me is that the Banner ran this letter to the editor signed 'name withheld'.  Next time I have a gripe and write a letter tot he editor, I think I'll try to withhold my name.

The Banner has always had a policy of letters being signed.  I have never seen one before without a name attached to it.  But this is different, this is controversial and that's all the Banner cares about.

I remember years when the arrest records for the 4th week were at least 30 - 40 people.  Only 14 this year, I think the police were fairly lenient considering the crowds of rowdy out of town drunks.
1:39 pm edt 

Re: Police July 4th Action
 
Hey Name Withheld - If you are going to post something here that comes from the Banner at list get it right - it was a LETTER TO THE EDITOR not an EDITORIAL.  Some person who was intoxicated was taken into protective custody.  From his/her perspective it should not have happened.  How many people do you know who have had to much too drink claim that they are just fine?
8:58 am edt 

Re: Child Selling Lemonade

No, I wasn't the one who complained last year.  And I am not picking on a small child - I am picking on her adult-sized parents.

It's one thing if a child sells lemonade on the sidewalk outside his or her home.  It's cute and quaint when you pass by.  It is another thing when the child it hauling a little red wagon up and down Commercial Street every day in hot humid weather screaming, "Leomonade Fifty Cents!"  Regarding her older sisters always in view, I have not seen anyone keeping an eye on her - she looks likes she's out there alone.  I just question why this poor girl is up and down Commercial Street every day hauling 40 pounds of equipment screaming at the top of her lungs rather than spending time with her sisters or parents, going to the beach, going to the pool, going to the playground, reading a book, playing a sport, playing with other children, and occasionally setting up a lemonade stand outside her house.  That's a fun summer childhood!  What she does borders child exploitation and for that her parents are responsible.
8:51 am edt 

Hey Licensing Board...!

Hey Liscensing Board... We have kids hawking lemonade on the street, guys selling cupcakes on Commercial Street, unliscened businesses operating thru home front windows with unapproved signage, merchants spilling goods past doorways onto decks and sidewalks, businesses operating on the UU lawn (bet they don't have a permits)  The town enforcement is a joke.  The zoning board is a joke. The liscensing department is a joke.  All they have are rule books with rules that they charge honest businesses for but don't enforce overall.  
8:12 am edt 

Re: Police July 4th Action

Just saw this editorial in the banner and thought that I would share it.  I can not belive that this is still happening!

The Banner reported last week that "Eighteen people were detained in protective custody for alcohol incapacity" on the night of July 4th. I was one of those people thusly detained. Let me describe to you what it was like. After working late, I stopped in to have a couple of beers downtown, and I was standing on the corner in front of the Governor Bradford talking to someone I knew before walking home. Suddenly, a crowd of police officers swooped in and began hand-cuffing everyone in sight and herding us into a paddy wagon. They brought us down to the police station, and, as far as I know, went back to the same spot for more.  Once at the station, we were kept in the garage bay downstairs for what seemed like hours, handcuffed, to various things, until we were all "processed." I was then shoved into a cell with three other people, and told I would be released in a few hours." The cells at the Provincetown jail are about eight feet square, with a stainless steel toilet in the !
center of the floor. For some reason I can't fathom, it was air-conditioned down to about 45 degrees in there all night long. It felt just like a morgue, which, of course, it once was. I was finally unceremoniously turned out into the dazzling sunlight at about 9 in the morning, after trying, with almost no success, to sleep on the cold concrete floor all night long. I was never charged with anything. It was never determined that I was even legally drunk. I was causing no public nuisance whatsoever. At the wrong place at the wrong time, as they say.  It was one of the most humiliating and degrading experiences of my life, and also, by the way, my first unpleasant interaction with the Provincetown Police Dept. in 20-plus years of living here. I understand that the Fourth of July fireworks bring a lot of people to Provincetown, and that a police presence on the streets is necessary to make sure any rowdiness doesn't get out of hand. In this instance, though, it seems as if it was the police who were out of control, indiscriminately rounding up people who were simply minding their own business; perhaps trying to justify their existence by looking for trouble where there was none. Is this how we want our police department treating long-time law-abiding citizens - or anyone, for that matter?  You could be next.

Name withheld
Provincetown
8:07 am edt 

Re: Multiple Flood Plans Required

The town needs two flood plans... One for crap and the other for seawater.  Either way the town is going to drown eventually...  Good ridden
8:00 am edt 

Re: Sewer System

The town deserves all of the issues it has with the sewer.  Karma Karma Karma
7:59 am edt 

Re: Truro vs Provincetown

I would pick Truro over Provincetown in a heartbeat. I left Provincetown and moved to Truro when the police became overzealous and downright dangerous.  They think they live above the law.  They will be the death of the town!
7:58 am edt 

Pick on Someone Your Own Size!

I sure hope you are not the same person who complained about the Lemonade Girl last year...What is your problem?
She is not alone, she has three big sisters always in view.
Those sisters also sold Lemonade when they were little...you could say it's a family tradition and has been going on for at least 10 years.
Why can't you support her and buy a cup, instead of finding something wrong?
Pick on someone your own size!
7:57 am edt 

Re: Flood Plain

Flood plains and/or zones largely affect insurance rates. people already live in them all over the country. get a grip. the water is not rising and the sky is not falling. and lay off the lemonade girl.
7:55 am edt 

Re: Dog Park

Saw one dog at the bark park today, big success candy
7:54 am edt 

Overzealous Police

Just saw an editorial and heard from a hand who were picked off our streets and held in our lovely jail by our overzealous police.

Do they ever learn?? It's killing out town!
7:53 am edt 

Re: Full time Superintendent and Principal Post


Correction AGAIN!

I wish people would at least have a simple basis for correct facts when they post on here.

The new superintendent position is actually a PART TIME JOB working three days a week!

The new principal position is full time for BOTH the elementary school and high school!

It seems the example of saving money has been more of a tradition with the school system than any other town department in the last few years.  
7:51 am edt 

Why Aren't We Moving Forward on Wind Energy?

I read in Wicked Local that Wellfleet is getting closer to installing three industrial wind turbines.

Quoting the article:
But the committee talked of gross revenue of $54 million over 20 years, with almost $25 million in net revenue to the town...

Selectman Jerry Houk said he would probably vote to move forward with this project, but pointed out, People are starting to get taxed to death in town. They are starting to hurt. They are not going to see any of this money for three years....

Committee members agreed there would be a period of time when taxpayers carry the costs of bonding for the project, but within three years, the turbines will pay it back and the end result will be revenue to the town.
It could also translate into a tax reduction, said Karlson.

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Folks, this is the type of thinking our town leaders should be pursuing.  Yes, we'll have to pay some money up front, but couldn't our town use $1.3 million a year in NET revenue?  Provincetown should be a leader in wind energy.

We are already taxed to the limit.  Our financial situation is not going to improve without increasing taxes because it sure seems we are unable to cut expenses.

I want to see some 'outside the box' thinking by our BOS and other town leaders to make something like this a reality in Provincetown.  And the time is NOW, let's quit dragging our feet on the potential provided by wind energy.

Instead of spending their meetings discussing Comcast and curb cuts, get productive and start thinking about the bigger picture.
7:50 am edt 

Re: Is This the Time to Hire a Full-time Superintendent and a Full-Time Principle?

The new Super for the schools is a part-time position.  Hmmm, maybe the school cte is facing reality.
7:47 am edt 

Monday, July 20, 2009

Flood Plain BS

Apparently more global warming hype. Its funny that the flood maps have changed, showing more and more property vulnerable to floods yet the sea level hasn't risen a bit. personally, I think its an insurance scam. There is no reason to change the flood levels if the sea hasn't risen. I would think home owners by this point would have received a payback on thieir insurance due to the fact that the area hasn't seen a hurricane in almost 20 years nor any other flood type situations. But no, they just keep taking and taking.
12:08 am edt 

English 101

P R I N C I P A L  not PRINCIPLE... Did you go to school in Provincetown???
12:05 am edt 

Lemonade and Cupcakes

Talk about the lemonade girl, what about the guy that sells CUP CAKES on Commercial and Carver street corner?  Does he have a licence to hawk his CUPCAKES.  How come the board of health has not put a stop to that?  
LETS BE FAIR
12:02 am edt 

Here We go Again!

Peter Grosso of the school committee said that the new super was chosen unanimously for,among other qualifications,her strength in increasing enrollment. Do we now have to start from scratch to get the point across... The enrollment is never going to increase. Regionalize now!
12:00 am edt 

Flood Plain Impact

How  many people have basement apartments? How many are on the land side of Commercial Street? How many will be banned come the new flood map next year? How many displaced people?
This is Major!
9:18 am edt 

Is This the Time to Hire a Full-time Superintendent and a Full-Time Principle?
 
Given the state of our schools, given the few students left, given the need to regionalize, why would you spend town monies to hire a new spuerintendent and a new principle? Seems our school committee is still not facing reality and acting as if the school is vibrant, dynamic and long-lasting. But it is not. Facing reality seems so hard for this group. Now look what they've done. Not the right decision at this time.
9:17 am edt 

Is the Ad Hoc Planning Committee Still Meeting?

someone said there are no BOS meetings schedculed until August, but I bet that ad hoc Planning Committee that changed our by-lws at the April meeting, is meeting to change even more by-laws. We surely shouldn't have ad hoc groups doing the true work of established committees. But I think they are still at it with more real estate-broker requests, as well as affordable housing requests allowed to re-shape our by-laws.
9:16 am edt 

BOS Meeting

Isn't there a selectmen's meeting on Monday?
9:14 am edt 

Town Hall Tree Trimming

The benches in front of Town Hall are now blistering in the heat of the Sun. What are you thinking to do this now instead of after the season?

It was all done to show off the Town Hall.
9:13 am edt 

Tsunami Alert!

600 people will be affected by the new flood Map. Some people will not be able to use their basements--so if someone has a basement apartment--it will be considered "condemned" due to the risk of flooding.

Homeowners will be faced with terribly high rates. Get ready for an economic Tsunami to rip through this town.
9:12 am edt 

Abandoned Boats:

I am with you on that.  There are currently at least 32 dingys/kayaks in the West End Lot... And only 1 has a 2007 sticker all the others are at least stickers from the early 2000's....  If that's not abandonment than what is?  So what your saying is...  If I want to store my unregistered boat for free on the beach all winter it will be OK?  And not considered abandoned?  What an awesome idea



Thanks for those who complained.  That's when they started cleaning up the beaches...
9:11 am edt 

Saturday, July 18, 2009

Looks Like no Selectmen Meetings This Week or Next Week
 
Aren't we facing a problem? Shouldn't the next steps in the sewer system be discussed? Is August the next time someone will discuss the sewer, the damage done to so many businesses and homes, and the proposed fixes for the system?
How odd. Seems they don't think we really have serious issues to handle until August.
11:37 pm edt 

Was There a Sewer Meeting Today?

Does anyone know? If yes, did anyone attend and what was the results? If it wasn't held today, when is the next meeting concerning the sewer and the solutions to this system's inherent problems?
11:36 pm edt 

Re: Lemonade Girl

Anyone know what's up with the lemonade girl?  She's back in town this year.  I thought she was shut down two years ago.  Who are her parents and why do they let her wander up and down the street hawking lemonade by herself?
10:18 pm edt 

Re: Truro vs Provincetown

Why would Truro want anything to do with the mis-lead and mis-managed town of Provincetown?  If you ask people who , Iam sre you'll get a good answer.
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Because we can spell?
5:14 pm edt 

Re: Abandoned Boats

That's total BS - "every year our the town gets rid of abandoned boats on the beaches"...
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For the last 5 years that I have been walking the town beaches there have been abandoned boats on them. There are two sitting in from of the Breakwater Inn in the East End that have been there for the past three years. Sea grass is beginning to grow up in them because they have been there so long. Don't give me that load of bull that they are cleaned up every year. The town just started cleaning them up because they have heard from too many people this year regarding the way the beaches look and the potential for lost tourists. Wake up Ptown, the beaches are your main attraction and they look like s___.

Disgusted at the trashy beaches of Ptown
5:13 pm edt 

Re: Abandoned Boats

"Every year the town gets rid of unclaimed boats from our beaches."
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Yes, and that's why 32 boats at the west end parking lot didn't have any beach stickers past or present. All 32 boats were abandoned or in violation in just one year.
5:10 pm edt 

Truro vs Provincetown

If you like boredom and alienation, Truro's green acres is the place to be! But I'd rather have a penthouse view of Provincetown! Darling I love you, but give me Commercial Street.
3:15 pm edt 

Re: Abandoned Boats

Every year the town gets rid of unclaimed boats from our beaches. This blog had nothing to do with them doing it again this year!
3:14 pm edt 

Re: Truro vs Provincetown

I lived in Provincetown for 5 years and Truro for 5 years and the peace and quiet and open space of Truro wins out for sure. (It's a pleasure to not know everytime my neighbor flushes the toilet.) When I want what Provincetown has to offer I drive the 7 miles to get it but you can't get what Truro offers anywhere in Provincetown.
PS I rent in both towns so for me it had nothing to do with property values or taxes.
1:22 pm edt 

Re: Truro Vs. Ptown

The same can be said about families moving to and living in Truro.  You can buy a house with a yard.  You can put up a swing set, a wading pool and even teach your kids about gardening.  Things you could never do in a condo.

No matter how much housing prices may fluctuate, this family situation will never reverse.  If I had kids, I'd be in Truro.
1:21 pm edt 

Re: High Risk Flood Zone!

Over 600 homeowners will have their properties go from a low risk to a high risk flood zone. Some will have to abandon their basements--and use only the first floor. Hard times ahead..
1:20 pm edt 

Truro or Provincetown

Median price in Truro is around $550K for a home with 3/4 acre yard and peace and quiet and about $2800/yr taxes. In Ptown its about the same if you want a 800 sq ft condo with neighbors all around you complaining about the noise.


Sounds like you just proved the previous blogger's point.  It's about home prices.
11:11 am edt 

Re: I Read it For Entertainment
 
"...but I read it for entertainment and when I blog on here I do it to make people mad!"
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Hey, I thought I was the only one who did that.  It's fun to get them going.
10:20 am edt 

Truro or Provincetown?
 
It's called home prices.  Simple as that.  It's cheaper to buy a house in Truro, most people would actually prefer to live in Provincetown, but can't afford the housing prices.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

Wow. How out of touch are you? People left Ptown years ago because at the time, they could get big money from the dopes that wanted to buy into the headaches of Ptown and AT THE TIME could buy cheap in Truro. Now that they live in Truro, NOBODY has EVER stated they would love to move back. NOBODY. And of the few remaining older families still in Ptown, they would love to move but missed the real estate market. Once it's back, you'll see another exodus. Median price in Truro is around $550K for a home with 3/4 acre yard and peace and quiet and about $2800/yr taxes. In Ptown its about the same if you want a 800 sq ft condo with neighbors all around you complaining about the noise. And the taxes keep going up.
10:18 am edt 

Friday, July 17, 2009

Sorry, Sally, But If Complaints Came In Five Years Ago.....

.....and only now something is being done with the delirect boats, the blog can still be a force that helped this happen. Complaints are complaints but they don't lead to any action plan in this town. I, for one, do believe this blog helped get these old boats off the beach. Why Now? Because the people blogged and are quite upset and finally something happened.

C'est la vie, mademoiselle.
11:17 pm edt 

Truro Residents

". . .If you ask people who moved from Provincetown to Truro why. . ."
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It's called home prices.  Simple as that.  It's cheaper to buy a house in Truro, most people would actually prefer to live in Provincetown, but can't afford the housing prices.  Sorry to burst your bubble.
11:12 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

I've been watching the meeting regarding the septic failure on public TV. It seems a flushed foreign object was the culprit. How can we ever expect or welcome families with children to take up residence here? As a child,I and my sibs were always dropping junk down the toilet.  Does this mean the entire town is to be held in septic terror because of the ordinary behavior of children (adults are guilty too, but let a kid know what can happen and it is a great temptation to test fate.  
11:07 pm edt 

Re: Town Hall Trees

Why kill the trees?
6:59 pm edt 

Why Indeed?

Why would Truro want anything to do with the mis-lead and mis-managed town of Provincetown?  If you ask people who moved from Provincetown to Truro why, Iam sre you'll get a good answer.
6:58 pm edt 

The Town Has Been Cleaning up Boats From the Beaches For Years!

Way before this blog was started. I remember it being done in the eighties in front of my work place at the town landing near the old library. And through out the years to now.
4:38 pm edt 

I Read it For Entertainment

I don't know why you read this blog but I read it for entertainment and when I blog on here I do it to make people mad! Then my friends and I get a kick out of some of the totaly crazy replies to what I blogged!
4:36 pm edt 

Re: Blog and Cleaning Town Beaches

"I know as fact that this blog had nothing to do with the boats being removed from our beaches."
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So, if this blog has no power and no influence, as you say, why then are YOU reading it?
3:02 pm edt 

Re: Blog and Cleaning Town Beaches

As someone who has complained to the health board, conservation group and the selectmen. I know as fact that this blog had nothing to do with the boats being removed from our beaches. The work was started a long time before anyone bloged about it here on this blog!
2:48 pm edt 

Whoa--Seems Giving This Blog Credit Is A Problem for You
 
Many good things come from the writings and postings here. Many have been complaining on this blog about the derelict boats and I think this blog helped lead to some action. Just as many here were irate about how the selectmen were handling the Farmer's Market and the many posting and the e-mails they sent to town officials caused fast action.

Words have power and the words posted here can and do lead to action. I give credit where credit is due.
2:07 pm edt 

Re: Blog and Cleaning Town Beaches

Well I am sure if the town had asked Miss Nagle (versus you know who) to oversee the tagging and removal of those unsightly derelict boats, it would have been done long before now. Knowing her, she would have found a secondary market for the derelict boats which would have made a little money for the town to boot.
2:02 pm edt 

Re: Blog and Cleaning Town Beaches
 
This blog had nothing to do with the efforts to clean our town beaches of derelict boats.  A resident wrote a letter to the Harbormaster and other officials and action was then taken.  The blog got involved when Candace decided the Harbormaster was inept and started in on her usual rant.

You give this blog WAY too much credit.  The way to get things done is to get involved, write a letter, show up at a meeting.
11:53 am edt 

Re: Outer Cape Health

The new CEO of Outer Cape Health seems to be destroying the moral at Outer Cape health. Managing people doesn't mean nitpicking everything that they do.

Why are our doctor's leaving? Why didn't the board do an extensive investigation of this person? Hope things change soon.
9:53 am edt 

It Could be Worse!

BOURNE  With steady complaints trickling in about the rotten-egg smell emanating from the town's Integrated Solid Waste Management landfill over the past month, the town has brought in two engineering consultants to review the gas collection system.

The town has spent several hundred thousand dollars since December on actions meant to alleviate the odor, town officials said, which residents say causes headaches and permeates their homes and cars.
9:28 am edt 

Re: "To the Second Home Owners"

"Thank you for paying your property taxes.  We renters wouldn't  have the lovely services that are offered in Ptown without you.   And thank you for not living here full-time.  If you were here you'd probably stop us, the renters, from spending money imprudently.  We love to spend your money imprudently.  We love you.  Don't ever change."

The Renting Reaper
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The very sad thing about the above is that I assume it was meant to be funny and sarcastic - but in actuality it is so very true. Who thinks like this ?? And then people wonder why the second home owner complains they have no voice in the process?

If someone has the capacity to write something like that - there is no doubt he/she actually actually believes it.

To you my blogger some advice - go to work, save your money and make an investment in this beautiful town that has given you so much. Maybe it's time you started contibuting instead of just taking.
9:27 am edt 

"Way Overblown on the Price Pal. Way Over"

First of all, this is Provincetown - so everything is way overblown on the price.  Secondly, feel free to get quotes on having mature trees cut down, the stumps ground down and new trees planted.  Whether it's 50K or 100K - it's still an unnecessary town expense.  But I hold to my original statement - feel free to get price quotes and pay for it out of your pocket.  As a taxpayer, I don't want to pay for it!
9:24 am edt 

Re: Abandon Boats, Who are the Owners?
 
A poster wrote "seasonal visitors who have no respect for others or the town they temporarily called home."
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Um, I beg to disagree. I know that two of the abandon boats on the west end beach are owned by women who live in my neighborhood and they haven't touched them in two years nor have they made any effort to retrieve them even with the abandoned boat sticker on them. These people are full time residents so please don't blame the seasonal visitors.
6:44 am edt 

Let's Use This Example

It seems that this blog got some action taken on cleaning the beaches. I know one guy who left town and just left his boat on the beach--look at the derelict boat tied up at the wharf!

Lets get the homeowners who are residents to go to town meeting--what is keeping them away? We need to know how to get these folk engaged again.

We need to spend only where necessary. I don't want to have to take another job to pay for my taxes--we aren't all millionaires.
6:41 am edt 

Answer to All Town Problems: Overrides

This seems to be the solution for all our problems. Short on our budget: Override. Not enough money to pay for this extremely young recreation director, Override. Not enough money for town employees: give them free lunch, four day work week and the raise is a given. For our sewer disaster, I bet there's be another solution: Override.

Oh, yes. town hall: Overrides. Now, a new police station. Oh, no problem: Override. And then the new transportation center: Override. And then Phase Three of this fabulous sewer system: Override.

Wow! We have got the best don't we. When there is any problems, they have the solution. Wow! It's like the new mantra: Override, Override, Override.
6:37 am edt 

No, These Meetings are Not Posted With Enough Notice
 
They are purposefully posted through Doug Johnstone within the 48 hours limit. They are posted more in secret than any meeting should be. And Satruday meetings do not make sense. Make it a Monday night scheduled meeting. What is wrong with that? Consider that this chair is the one who wanted an emergency meetings on Wednesday--not on Monday--when MaryJo demanded that it be held them. As for Couture, she wanted to hold the meeting five days after the brown seepage ran through this town.

We are outside the emergency now. Post with enough time and at a regularly scheduled meetings. Then many people will be there--not just a few critters.

But this is not what Couture wants. She is not open, not democratic but wants to control the disaster that she, in part, is responsible for. How many years has this poor woman been on the board? Just too many and too many problems have afflicted this town since she's been on the board.
6:36 am edt 

Thursday, July 16, 2009

Re: Abandoned Boats

Abandoned boats are no different than other abandoned property (including cars). If someone believes otherwise, then perhaps you could hitch a trailer to your truck and rescue the property!

Trash on the beach is a huge problem for the entire Cape, not just Provincetown. Instead of criticizing the decision to improve the quality of life in our town and clean the beaches, let's become a leader in our community in dealing with these types of problems.
10:45 pm edt 

Why Not an Auction of the Boats? Why Crush Them?
 
Very good thoughts! Where where you when the Town conducted meetings regarding this issue. By the way, all town meetings are posted with the specific agenda on the town's website.

It's easy to criticize decisions after the fact; however, democracy requires citizens to participate in the process, not just sun bathe on the beach and complain after the fact.
10:44 pm edt 

Re: Tree Response
 

"I have never heard someone so bitter about trees - they are (were)beautiful.  If you hate these offensive trees so much - feel free to pony up $100K to have them removed and new ones planted."

Tree Hugger
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100K to remove and replace trees? Way overblown on the price pal. Way over.
10:43 pm edt 

To: Perhaps if the Meetings Were Well Advertised

All meetings are posted on the official Town of Provincetown website and, when required, published in a local newspaper at the expense of the taxpayers.

Perhaps doing one's own diligence will reduce complaining... and will go a long, long way to filling in the blanks....
10:41 pm edt 

Re: Abandoned Boats

What a disagreeable sight to see that an unregistered dingy with a motor and carefully wrapped in a tarp had been tethered to my dune protecting Conservation Commission approved snow fence and at high tide the weight of the boat pulled a section of my my fence down. And the same tide washed up a sad deflated zodiac with no sticker.

Boo Hoo
10:39 pm edt 

Re: Meetings Well Advertised?

Some people just can't be pleased.  In one sentence you complain that town offices are closed too much, then you follow up by complaining when staff comes in on a Saturday to discuss with residents issues they may have with connecting to the phase three of the sewer.  Pretty sure they chose to have that meeting on a Saturday so that weekend residents could attend.  If they had it on a Monday night selectman meeting, you'd       that those same people could not attend.  There's no winning with you.

And as far as advertising the meetings.  They are posted, as best they can by deadline, in the Banner page 2 and they are fully described on the town website.  If it's a zoning or licensing issue, all abutters are notified by certified mail.  

Would you like Doug Johnstone to call you personally every time a meeting is posted?  Then you'd probably blog on here that town staff is harassing you.  Maybe the town should post anger management classes.
10:38 pm edt 

Why Not an Auction of the Boats? Why Crush Them?

    Can we only act in half-measures and only with half-thoughts? Why not advertise the abandoned boats and sell them? The town could use the extra cash and some people could have bought a boat inexpensively.

   I have to aks this: Are there only a few ideas produced in this town? I'm not one to uphold common sense but it seems totally lacking here--by those making decisions.

    What is wrong with the Harbormaster? Such a foolish move. Yes, he did get the boats finally off the beach---but look what he devised as the "solution"! Sometimes, Provincetown just leaves me speechless.
8:08 pm edt 

Perhaps If the Meetings Were Well Advertised

But they are not. And with this four day work week, and a three day work week during the sewer crisis, people were handling their sewer issues and may not even have knows there's a meeting. Just like this Saturday's meeting--if there is one. Why on a Saturday? bBusiness people are running their businesses. Why not a regularly scheduled BOS meeting with this as the key agenda item. But no--sporadic meetings with the BOS talking to themselves and informaing just a few people. Yhink this is really a democracy! Ah, but no.
6:59 pm edt 

Boats on the Beach

"But, no, instead the short sighted jump-to-action response to "old boats on the beach took hold and the town reacted in usual motive: remove, crush, deposit in a landfill. So sad, so stupid."
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Sorry, but I disagree.  These boats were trash and they were treated as such.  Good for the town for finally taking care of the trash.
6:57 pm edt 

Re: Boats Deserving of Deep Respect
 
I couldn't agree more that all vessels are deserving of deep respect.  But the town is not the ones disrespecting the boats, it is the owners who have used our public beaches to dispose of something they no longer had any use for.

And yes the town has a cultural history to seafarers and fishermen, but the people who have abandoned their boats on our shores are not those people.  They are selfish, entitled (and my guess) seasonal visitors who have no respect for others or the town they temporarily called home.  All they did was leave something they no longer wanted on our beaches as if it were just trash.

Shame on them and not the town.
5:28 pm edt 

Boats on the Beach

I feel torn about the boats. On the one hand, people have been given plenty of time to get a boat sticker for free to put on their boats so that they would not be hauled away. However, it was stupid and a waste of possible revenue to take the boats to the landfill. An auction or a boat sale would have been preferrable and a way to raise necessary funds for the town. This seems to be the status quo with town workers in Ptown, they don't stop and think about ways to make things better, just do the job and get it done. So sad, such a waste. Question, did the two boats in front of the Breakwater Inn get removed? They have now been there for going on three years!!!!!!

Sally
5:26 pm edt 

Re:Sewer Breakdown

It looks pretty obvious to me from looking at the hole in the pvc pipe that since a foreign object traveling at a high speed can  crack the pipe,then every elbow joint should be made out of a METAL and not some cheap plastic pipe.Although I'm not an expert shame on the professional engineers for missing such a simple flaw...
3:37 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

There is going to be a complete examination of our sewer system by an independent contractor.

This system must be made "fail-safe". What if this happened in the dead of winter; there would still be a mess and who knows how long before it was detected--and many people wouldn't be in their homes.

The system is going to be extremely stressed during Carnival--that is why the engineers are going to camp out here.

I can't believe only three people have given damage assessments to the town manager.
3:36 pm edt 

Street Repair

What I don't understand is why people don't go to the selectmen's meeting and express your views to the selectmen and to the community at large that watches the meetings on TV.

When the street was torn up by my house to install the sewer pipes a few years ago, the street was repaved by the town I guess, and it is perfectly smooth--just a different color.

I don't understand why it isn't equally as smooth in other parts of town: was it done correctly according to protocol?

We don't have the money to repave all of the Provincetown when it will be torn up again due to sewer repairs.
3:34 pm edt 

Re: Abandoned Boats

What a disagreeable sight and sound it was to witness perfectly good vessels being loaded onto a DPW truck by a front loader and mercilessly crushed, destroyed. I stood at the foot of Johnson St. Parking Lot and watched the men with their big machines treat these "abandoned" boats, large and small, as if they were not important, not valuable in some regard.

If the DPW had simply collected the boats somewhat more gently and taken them up to the transfer station for storage over the winter (yes, there's plenty of space there) and then held an auction in the spring for folks to perhaps buy them, then the town could have raised some revenu either for itself or for one of our many charities.  But, no, instead the short sighted jump-to-action response to "old boats on the beach" took hold and the town reacted in usual motive: remove, crush, deposit in a landfill. So sad, so stupid. Boats, large or small, owned or abandoned, are deserving of a deep respect for what they are: symbols of what once made this town great. Provincetown was borne of seafarers and fishermen. I argue that destroying the boats rashly was tantamount to turning away from one's moral center in order to bend to a politically correct whim of the moment. It was bad form.  It was a pitiful display. The boats are gone now.

Is everyone happy?  
3:32 pm edt 

To the Second Home Owners:

Thank you for paying your property taxes.  We renters wouldn't  have the lovely services that are offered in Ptown without you.   And thank you for not living here full-time.  If you were here you'd probably stop us, the renters, from spending money imprudently.  We love to spend your money imprudently.  We love you.  Don't ever change.

The Renting Reaper
3:29 pm edt 

Second Home Owners Association

So who will do all of the work of this new group of second homeowners & non voters?  
3:28 pm edt 

"I Hope All Those Trees Die"

"They should have never been planted there in the first place!"
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I have never heard someone so bitter about trees - they are (were)beautiful.  If you hate these "offensive" trees so much - feel free to pony up $100K to have them removed and new ones planted.

Tree Hugger    
3:26 pm edt 

Wednesday, July 15, 2009

May I Say: I'm Gald this Blog Exists
 
I'm glad we have this venue and we are able to speak our minds. I appreciate this blog and just want to say: thanks so much for being here. It helps to better understand issues and it helps to let us post what we really feel. Thanks to all who are part of this blog. This is important.
8:57 pm edt 

Re: To Second Home Owners Posted at 1:40pm

You are mistaken as to what PACC and the blog's primary mission is. It was not formed to only allow for second home owners to have a voice in Provincetown, it was formed for ALL interested.
A nonresident taxpayers association, if formed, would be a fully chartered, specific organization with scheduled meetings, newsletters, email blasts and a website.
Do I think such an organization will solve all the problems in Provincetown? Of course not, but it will provide an organized way to inform it's members of issues facing the community and allow for said members to express an opinion or weigh in on a subject.
We are not trying to re-invent the wheel, we just want to be one of the spokes. Nor should one anticipate such an organization would march lockstep and oppose any capital expenditure in town. We love this town, we support this town, we want this town to live on and on.

E. Michael Richards
8:55 pm edt 

Second Home Owners

Renters are not second class citizens. They have every right in the USA as a homeowner does as far as voting at a town meeting. If you don't vote here that is not Provincetowns problem. You are the problem if you do not vote here on our taxes.
3:02 pm edt 

Town Hall Trees

If these trees have to be pruned at least once a year who will pay for this ?   Yes, the tax payer!
3:01 pm edt 

When MaryJo Was Chair, She Was Blamed for Failures

And so now ,this Michelle Couture needs to accept blame for the problems that occur under her watch. Being chair is more than being a potatoe head. It is more than window dressing. It is a position that bears duties and also and importantly responsibilities.

Time to accept the responsiblities that come with this position and the flaws that occur and the poor decisions that are made under this woman's chairmanship.
2:50 pm edt 

Voters vs Taxpayers

The non-resident taxpayer groups mentioned isn't a bad idea but that will not solve the problem Provincetown faces. In Truro, legally, there are no rental apartments and if they do exist, they are kept quiet and the voters from them don't overrule or outvote the resident taxpayers. That is a problem in Provincetown in that the renters are probably one to one at town meeting when it comes to renters vs owners. Do these renters live in town and benefit from the services the town provides and do they want the town to be as up to date as possible in infrastructure and beauty? Of course they do but they really aren't willing to pay for it, just lay it on the taxpayers.  They go to town meeting, as they legally can if registered here, and vote for everything and anything that will allow them to live the good life on a free ride. Till thats fixed, and I don't know how, the towns taxes burden will continue to rise. A non resident group will do nothing to stop it unless some in the group are willing to change their voting status to Provincetown and are willing to actually go to town meeting to vote.
2:42 pm edt 

Second Home Owners

How soon we forget that this very group (PACC & blog) was started as a way for second homeowners to have a voice in town and only a handfull of people have stayed involved with this! What makes E. Micheal Richards think another group of home owners will be able to keep it together this time?
2:40 pm edt 

Town Hall Trees

When the storm drainage hole that will be dug up in front of the town hall steps gets done, I hope all those trees die. They should have never been planted there in the first place!
2:38 pm edt 

Provincetown Committees

To all of you who think that committees like, zoning & planning are stacked with non-homeowners that will be deciding Provincetown's future. What proof do you have that these committee's are stacked with renters? How many renters are on these committees? And if it is true. What are YOU going to do about it??? The town is always looking for new members to be on these committees and boards but not many volunteer for these openings. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem!
2:37 pm edt 

Our Sympathies
 
To the family of Betty Costa, the family of Tommy Dahill and the family of Jack Papetsas. This was not an easy week for this community. We lost some wonderful, dynamic, and giving people this last week.

Again, our sympathies to their family and friends. They left us with quite a legacy. We smile in between our tears.
2:35 pm edt 

Re: POLLARD
 

Pollarding is a pruning system in which the tree is headed back (tree stem or minor branches removed) every year.[1] This pruning encourages lateral branches and is normally done two or three metres above ground level. The tree is allowed to regrow after the initial cutting, but once begun, pollarding requires regular maintenance by pruning. This will eventually result in a somewhat expanded (or swollen) top to the tree trunk with multiple new side and top shoots growing from it.

A tree that has been pollarded is known as a pollard. Pollarding older trees may result in the death of the tree, especially if there are no branches below the cut, or the tree is of an inappropriate species. Pollarding is sometimes abused in attempts to curb the growth of older or taller trees, but when performed properly it is useful in the practice of arboriculture for tree management.

Hmmm, guess will have to see if this is the DEATH or REBURTH of the trees
2:34 pm edt 

To Black Sheep Re: Non Resident Taxpayer Association
 
To answer your question, assuming it wasn't rhetorical in nature; generally speaking the associations are restricted to non full time, property owners not registered to vote in the community in question. If a member subsequently
becomes a full time resident and a registered voter they can still maintain membership.
That is how most of these assoications are structured. I hope I answered your questions.

E. Michael Richards
10:54 am edt 

Re: "I Live in Town...

...own my own home, am a registered local voter,  and have attended town meetings and have seen votes pulled off by a gaggle of non home owners who are registered voters.  I do not view second home owners as a problem, rather I view them as a solution.  I would strongly encourage them to form an association and give collective clout with a strong voice to the BOS that spending in this town has superceded fiscal boundaries.  We need you."
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Thank you, thank you, thank you for your comment about the second homeowner.  I personally am tired of a bunch of non property owning renters running this town.

I am especially tired of these people sitting on Zoning and Planning boards making decisions that will effect how the town looks for the next 200 years when they have not made the investment to own a part of this town. I bought here and I will own here until I die - the proof is in the pudding - I put my money down and bought a piece of this town. Some of these "renters" who vote will move out of Ptown in the next 5 years and yet they make decisions for this town when some of them will not even be here over the long haul.

Say what you will,(of course there are exceptions, speculators etc)  but buying a piece of property in Ptown is a clear indication of intention to be here for the long haul and people who are here for the long haul are the best qualified to make decisions for this town.
10:53 am edt 

This Town Government Arrangement Isn't Working
 
For all the praise some people give to town meetings and town politics, this arrangement of town manager and selectmen board just doesn't work. Maybe it did in the past with more dynamic members but it isn't working now.

Who is taking responsibility for the disaster in the town sewer system? who is accountable for the lack of notification to residents about the problems when they first occurred Saturday morning? Who is responsible for failing to notify the state EPA of the pollution of town beaches?

No one. Meetings are held but no one takes responsibility--neither the town manager nor any members of the board of selectmen nor DPW. Something's not right with this town government arrangement.
10:50 am edt 

Sewer System Extension Meeting

The Department of Public Works/Water and Sewer Division has scheduled a meeting Saturday July 18 at 10:00am at the Cape Inn as a neighborhood public meeting to answer questions regarding extending the sewer system from the Cape Inn to Beachpoint.
Is this meeting still on? Should be interesting considering the timing, to say the least.

E. Michael Richards
9:37 am edt 

Re: Slippery Fish Comment

Well said, Slippery Fish!  I second that.
9:08 am edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

I live in town...own my own home, am a registered local voter,  and have attended town meetings and have seen votes pulled off by a gaggle of non home owners who are registered voters.  I do not view second home owners as a problem, rather I view them as a solution.  I would strongly encourage them to form an association and give collective clout with a strong voice to the BOS that spending in this town has superceded fiscal boundaries.  We need you.
Slippery Fish ( from the fishy bowl)
8:41 am edt 

Re: Trees at Town Hall
 
It appears as though they have pollarded the trees- a very common European practice of tree trimming, especially in urban areas. You'll have to aggree the trees before were way overgrown and now we can see the great paint job.
8:39 am edt 

Join Truro!?!

How soon we forget that we were once part of truro but they didn't want anything to do with the low life that lived in what we now call Provincetown. Back then truro called us HELLTOWN.
8:38 am edt 

Re: Tree Trimming

The trees were to be cut back as much as possible! And frankly I wish we would get rid of a lot of the trees in town that are blocking out views and sunlight!
8:37 am edt 

Give Us a Break

I agree, I wish the blogger who keeps attacking the chair of the BOS would give US a break from his/her endless rants. Also, and again to the blogger who keeps bringing up how he hates the affordable housing here in town! We have ALL tired of what you think about housing! Give us a break.
8:36 am edt 

Tree Trimming

It's called 'pallarding'.  Try Googling it to see what they will look like.  It was done by David Atkinson and though it looks as if they have been massacred, they will be beautiful.  Pallarding is a safe and effective way to keep the trees and their growth in control and restore the view of the town hall.

But of course, everyone on here will just point at them and blame the town and it's leaders for killing them.
8:35 am edt 

Tuesday, July 14, 2009

Oh My, Oh My, Oh My

What happend with the TRIMMING of the trees in front of town hall?  Did they get that wrong also?  Looks like they CHOPPED 98% of the branches off.  I thought it was suppose to be THINNED only?  Before I go balistic, is what I see a trimming?

I wonder when something will go right with this town?  
10:43 pm edt 

PRUROTOWN

It's time to merge with Truro and be known as "Prurotown". We can merge services, schools, BOS, town managers, police and fire. The way I see it, we can get rid of alot of people who aren't doing their jobs and save a     load of money.

PRUROTOWN
10:41 pm edt 

Wow...What a Town!

For a place that is supposed to be so welcoming of any and all now we're told that if we don't like Michele Couture we should stop blogging and move out of town? I guess we're only welcome as long as we agree with you.
10:39 pm edt 

To the 2nd Homeowners in Provincetown:
 
I am a full time, property owning, registered voter but can I join you're group?  I don't feel I have any say in a town I grew up in and have lived in for over 25 years.  Dosn't that say somthing?  I have a lot of other friends who would love to join too, maby then we could team together and have a say!! Iam tired of my money being spent on foolishness, and not being appreciated!!

Black Sheep
10:37 pm edt 

Re: "For the Record... "

"I've lived here year round for almost 20 years. i resent being considered "entitled". i work year round and bust my butt. spent years on volunteer boards. i'd love to own a home but second homeowners have driven housing prices through the roof. so cut the crap. and if you you think part of my rent isn't calculated to pay for some or all of my landlords taxes, you're crazy."
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With respect - you have lived here for 20 years working your "butt off" and have not been able to buy a home in 20 years ? You are blaming the second homeowner for that ??

Why are you not eligible for affordable housing if you haven't been able to afford a home in 20 years. Once again with repect I can't fathom how someone who made it a goal to buy a home could not do so in the last 20 years - prices in Ptown have only been astromical in the last 5

As far as paying your landlord's taxes - just as the second homeowner is told "you either live here or you don't" - the same applies - you either Own here and pay taxes or you don't.
10:35 pm edt 

Michele Couture
 
People attack Michelle Couture on this website all the time - one poster mentioned holding her responsible for bad decisions made - good idea.  But then you have to hold Mary Jo responsible for many of the decisions made over the past 33 years as she has served on the Board of Selectman since 1976 with a few years off.  Michelle is not the problem - the entire board of selectment needs to be more accountable.  Cheryl Andrews ruled with an iron fist and never really listened to anyone else.  She and Keith Bergman took this town down a dangerous path.  Town Meeting let them - the hands were quick in the air to vote yes for many of our disasters.  Now those people knock the people currently in office.  Let's come up with some solutions and stop playing the blame game.  
10:32 pm edt 

m-m-m-m

I think you're right. the chair is not too bright. I don't really know Couture well but she's not our brightest bulb. She's smirky but for this town with its $24 million budget, she's a little scary. I'm not impressed at all. Maybe we need a mayor and not this arrangement of selectmen and town manager. It's not working too well.
10:29 pm edt 

It's Not Strictly Personal, It's Political
 
Michele or MIchelle--if someone could spell right--is inept. She is inept politicallly and as Chair of the BOS. Personally her friends might thinking she is terrific but politically she is small-minded, lacks vision, and can't establish criteria we need to solve our problems. I find she is part of the problem and this tourist town needs dynamic leaders--not this imitation of a leader.

Call her for what she is: immature, confused, and incapable of making tough and correct administrative decisions.

She can sell frogs but she can't help this town when it is in dire need of help and tough solutions. After nine and half years, I blame her for some of our worse decisions. And she continues to make bad decisions.
2:44 pm edt 

What Gives?

In the last month I have sent 4 blogs in and have never seen them on this website.Never have I used foul language or attacked anyone personally..What gives..Don;t agree with my point of view?
2:41 pm edt 

For the Record...


I've lived here year round for almost 20 years. i resent being considered "entitled". i work year round and bust my butt. spent years on volunteer boards. i'd love to own a home but second homeowners have driven housing prices through the roof. so cut the crap. and if you you think part of my rent isn't calculated to pay for some or all of my landlords taxes, you're crazy. nobody rents to lose money. and there are many others out there like me. weall pay taxes one way or another.

the "entitled" ones seem to be those folks who feel they can drop in and complain about everyone and anyone because they chose to buy high and have to pay for that luxury. all the while you offer nothing constructive. only mean spirited, patronizing, classist comments. and it's ruining this town. way to go.
2:40 pm edt 

Re: Couture and the Sewer System

Personal attacks on Selectman Couture are reprehensible. There is not much I agree with her these days. But criticism should stay within her poltical positions/votes/effectiveness as chair etc.

God knows, unlike Couture, I would have never voted for that no safety checks and balances septic system that puts the town in harm's risk 24/7. But that is no reason to attack her personally. She was afterall only 20% of the vote to approve the damn thing.

I was at the BOS meeting last night. I thought Avellar and Couture did a good job in relaying how pissed off we are and their genuine concern for the community going forward.
12:45 pm edt 

Why Haven't We Supported the Land Bank More?

Why didn't we grasp, like other resort towns, the importance of maintaining and protecting for posterity open land? Why did we get so stuck with giving so many of our resources, including open land, water use, density, to affordable housing without equally considering how important open land is?

Did we just take the National Seashore for granted, believing, wrongly, that we control it? We don't.

And we should preserve as much land as possible. Isn't this what the CPA was also supposed to do? Instead of being hijacked by all the affordable housing junkies, high on low costing housing for their friends? Wrong decision that will negtively affect this town for years to come. I have the feeling some would have sold the beaches for affordable housing if that could have been possible.

Remember when they wanted to sell Clapps Pond to the state in exchange for land for affordable housing? Remember when they wanted to take one third of the cemetery land for affordable housing? That was only four years ago.

How did [we] get so waylaid? How, indeed!
12:43 pm edt 

Lack of Leadership is Lack of Leadership

And that is all I see in this sad chair of the BOS. She is not bright, self-centered and unable to get this town out of a paper bag. She is part of the disaster and can't help us with solid ideas, long-term planning, or just solid good sense. She is over her head and our town suffers for her continual lack of knowledge.
11:57 am edt 

The Answer: A Class action Suit Against the Town, Metcalf & Eddy and Wheeler & company
 
This is what will resolve this fractured system in the future. Only a class action suit will led to uncover the real problems, the number of flaws inherent in the sysstem, and the real monitoring system that needs to be installed. It is not a few more people walking around town looking at sewer covers that will resolve this around Carnival. But a highly sophisticated monitoring system that it probably never has had and won't be installed if there is not a class action suit to make this happen.

Can guests houses, restaurants, and home owners really suffer another catastrophic failure of this broken sewer system? Guaranteed it will happen again and sooner than you think. There is a reason only one other town in all of Massachusetts decided to install this type of sewer system.


Maybe the real question should be: Why did Provincetown? Was there any money transfered into large pockets to push to have this vacuum system installed here? Why would we even think of installing this odd sewer system? Why not construct what every other town, except one other, has installed in their communities?
11:55 am edt 

Michael, Michael, Michael

With Laser-like focus, you say, each selectman drilled the old Metcalf & Eddy (when you have problems--change your corporate name!). Michael, that is impossible. There is no laser-like thinking or questioning from this inept group. Were you distracted when they were mumbling?

They are unable to resolve the problems or find the right structure and/or monitoring system to handle this catastrophic problem. In short, they have no clue--and neither does Sharon.

You will see these problems return again. After six times of systemic failures, why would this problematic system work faultlessly in the future? It won't.

So keep your buckets, mops, and air freshners close at hand.
11:53 am edt 

Go E. Michael Richards !

Great idea - let's get that second home owners association going.  Time to give the Ptown "entitled" a run for their money !!  

I'm tired of people who rent and don't pay a dime in tax money having a bigger say in this town than do I.
11:52 am edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

While some second homeowners may be in AA and having coffee after meetings, I can assure you that the vast majority of second homeowners are not. That is just common sense and a statistical fact. But what does that have to do with this discussion anyway? Why even mention AA? What an assinine thing to say. Are you perhaps a bit cranky this morning-possibly hung over?
9:50 am edt 

Who Can Afford to Live Here Full Time ?

I see these postings bashing the second homeowner and how they should move here.  The low end condo in ptown is 300k - to obtain a mortgage one needs an income of about 100k plus.  How many 100k plus jobs are there in ptown ??

Which makes me question - who are writing these blogs bashing the second home owner telling us to live here if we want a say in how this town is run ?  Yes - there are several wealthy developers or business people that live here but the fact is there are not the jobs in ptown that would allow someone to live hear year round.

That is a fact - why is that so hard for some locals to understand ??  Could it be that some of the locals that feel this way don't own property here and have no idea about paying a mortgage or are clueness to the economic facts of owning in Ptown ?

Sounds like a possibility to me.
9:47 am edt 

Cover Up!
 

The town tells us and or Sharon that "Wednesday, July 8th, the Provincetown sewer system is up and running 100%. The sewer system is experiencing some residual problems which continue to be identified since the final repair work was completed on Wednesday. During the weekend residents called in complaints of sewer noises and odor complaints which, upon investigation, were either private property issues or non-issues unable to be further identified by workers who responded"
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So my question to the town/sharon is, if there were no issues at residents BEFORE this mess, how can you say the residual problems are PRIVATE PROPERTY ISSUES?  

GIVE ME A BREAK.  
(Start a town wide law suit and I will sign)
9:45 am edt 

Webb Address Correction

it is www.TNRTA @ TNRTA.org (without the spaces before & after @ ) for the Truro 2nd homeowners group.
9:43 am edt 

Truro Non-Resident Taxpayers Association:

MISSION STATEMENT

To inform non-resident taxpayers of Truro issues

To encourage non-resident taxpayer participation in town government

To empower individual non-resident taxpayers to communicate their views in a productive way

We can not rely on our town government to:
1. inform us of Provincetown issues
2.encourage us to participate in town government
3. empower us to communicate our views

Quite frankly, from what I have experienced like many other second homeowners, they like keeping us in the dark and quietly raising our taxes for their ill-thought out capital expenditures like the inferior town wide septic, affordable housing that can't be filled locally etc while our streets and beaches look worse than Port au Prince Haiti. Have they even bothered to remove the dead seal that's been rotting for two weeks on the beach? The only visual that separates our beaches from Port au Prince's is a dead cow rotting in the sun too!
9:42 am edt 

Re: Sewer System

The Lawyer for AECOM, an AECOM engineer, Ron Adams, and some big wigs from AECOM all heard the Board of Selectmen come down on them like a ton of bricks at last night's selectmen's meeting.  

With laser-like focus, each selectman was relentless in their demands for seeking complete satisfaction for the town.

There is also going to be an independent examination of the entire sewer system.

Too bad there were only three citizens occupying the cavernous room. I wish that it was standing room only so that AECOM could see that it wasn't just an engineering failure but people who were affected.

I know people with children who had basements full of sewage--how I wish that these whole families were in the audience to put a face to the misery.

The scary news is that the two biggest flow occasions that put the most pressure on the system are the Fourth of July and Carnival--and it is during these times that the system is as its most critical risk of failure.

It seems this high flow causes great pressure on the system in the East End and they want to take steps in phase three to eliminate this pressure.

It is small comfort to know that engineers and their staff are moving to town to be stationed here all during Carnival week week to monitor the system. (my suggestion: Don't wash clothes that week and overtax the system.)

Michael Rogovsky
9:40 am edt 

Michele Couture
 
I don't know who you are that keeps attacking Michelle but if I ever find out I will definetely tell her and hopes she sues the living you know what out of you.

If you have issues with her then that's your problem and by posting your blogs about her is getting more annoying that actually anything else. Whenever I see her name or anything directed at her I stop reading it and I can only hope others are doing the same thing.

You can tell by your blogs you are targeting her and you are hoping others will join in. Move on, allot of us don't care. If she bothers you that much then maybe you should do us all a favor, stop blogging here about her or simply move out of town.
9:38 am edt 

Re: Sewer System

A class action suit will only benifit the lawyers! And all taxpayers will have to pay for it! Win or lose!
9:36 am edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

Even E. Michael Richards can't get any second homeowners to help him form a non voting majority. Another example of why second homeowners are bad for the town! All they wanna do here, is to complain about their hard earned tax dollars being spent by the town while they meet over coffee after the AA meeting!
9:35 am edt 

Monday, July 13, 2009

Re: Second Home Owners Organization

TNRTA,(Truro Non-resident tax payers association).tntra@tntra.org
president is Regan McCarthy

Michael, will you post a meeting when you have one? I'll get a few of my second homeowner friends to go!
11:40 pm edt 

Time to Declare the Four Day Work Week a Disaster

Look at the sewer dilemma and realize that town employees only work four days and then had Monday off since they really have Friday as a non-working day. And in the midst of this crisis, you had a chair of the BOS who didn't want to hold a meeting on Monday since this was a holiday. She wanted the emergency meeting held two days later. So much for how to deal with "emergencies."

It is a tourist town with people needing services five days of the week---not four and not with town hall closed for an hour during noon time since they are eating their paid for lunches. I believe only an idiot would have agreed to this working/non-working schedule. It is beyond making any administrative sense.
11:37 pm edt 

Re: Class Action Suit

Nice, real frigging nice.  That's how this town comes together in an emergency?
11:36 pm edt 

Will Businesses Begin Suing the Town for the Sewer Mess?

Is there going to be a class action suit against the town to pay for rooms lost, to pay for the clean up of wastewater along floors and basements, and to pay for the pumping every two hours for three days?

Does anyone know who is responsible? Is it McCalf & Eddy and the Wheeler people and the town itself? Or is it all three in a class action suit?
9:53 pm edt 

Re: Tax Dollars
 

"Don't want to pay for services like police and fire? Maybe we should let your abandoned [second] homes get looted and burn to the ground in the off season - it would save your precious tax dollars, would it not?"
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No 2nd homeowner I know has ever complained about tax money spent on essential services, such as police and fire.  What I have heard, and it's valid, is that the Town's elected officials and voters almost never say no to any high cost scheme that gets proposed, even in a major recession.

How else to explain that Provincetown has the HIGHEST per capita debt load of any town in the state.  That's higher than Nantucket, the Vineyard, Wellesley, Natick, etc. etc.
8:38 pm edt 

Second Home Owners
 
Truro has had a very successful Non Resident Taxpayers Association for years. Non residents have found their voice through organization, news letters and meetings.
I have suggested many times on this blog and other venues a willingness to get together with other Provincetown Non Resident Taxpayers and explore the value in forming such an organization in our town with little or no response.
I put that offer out there again. Feel free to contact me if interested.

E. Michael Richards

emichaelrichards@msn.com
8:36 pm edt 

Second Home Owner

Re: "Provincetown gay sraight, what ever has always been a beautuful town!  get over your self! "
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Blogger, you can read a paragraph filled with several clear points and yet extract an idea that was never even part of the discussion. The point was that Provincetown has benefited from the Gay second home owner.  It was not meant to imply that the beauty of Provincetown is conditional on the sexual orientation of its property owners.  
1:04 pm edt 

Re: Second Home Owners
 
Although the SHO's claim to own the majority of the town, I think, rather, it is the banks and mortgage companies that own the majority of these second homes.

As for having a say in running the town, lets agree with the constitutional law - one person, one vote.  Register to vote here and vote here, it is as simple as that.

Don't want to pay for services like police and fire? Maybe we should let your abandoned homes get looted and burn to the ground in the off season - it would save your precious tax dollars, would it not?
1:01 pm edt 

Posting of Sewer System Problem

"Town government is now using your website to get important information out to its residents! Town officials all claim they don't 'read' it."
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Actually the posting of sewer update information here was from blast e-mails sent out by either the Town Mgr's Office, the PBG or the Provincetown Business Guild.  I'd be surprised if the Town was now using the MYPACC blog to deliver information to the residents, unless they were looking for a means to reach the complainers.
9:43 am edt 

Sewer System

How can we be safe going on vacation and leave one's house unattended when the sewer can back up any time something falls into it and makes a hole?

Every kid is fascinated with the toilet and drops things down it; what happens if a kid drops a marble down the toilet?

Twice the Dyer street pipe got a hole in it--who lives around there who is doing this to the sewer system?  
7:41 am edt 

Second Home Owner

A blogger writes that because of second home owners we can afford to have a lot of the services we are accustomed to. I totally disagree with that point of view. We would be better off if second home owners actually lived here on a year round base. By not living here you make our town a ghost town when your not here and that is only one reason. I could go on, but blogging about it will not change anything!
7:39 am edt 

We're in the Money

We had a catastrophic sewer back up and people are complaining about second home owners? Look at the banner ad for Ted Malone's 150 properties which he needs someone to manage.

He owns 150 properties and gets taxpayer's money; imagine the rents he must collect each month. 150 rent checks every 30 days...I hear the tune now,"We're in the money"....
7:38 am edt 

Police Expenditure

Am I the only one who has seen the latest police toy? I saw an Expedition downtown today and couldn't believe my eyes. Those things only get about 10 mpg at best. What is our new police chief thinking???? It's too big for our narrow streets and we should be going green, not burning excessive gasoline. Color me disillusioned.
7:37 am edt 

Yorkie Found
 
9:45PM just found out Fia has been found and is home.

Thank you
7:36 am edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

"Okay all of you that flippantly tell the the second home owner what the "LAW" is for having voting rights in this town - why can't you understand that PTOWN IS A UNIQUE SITUATION and that needs to be taken into consideration.
This town is majority owned by people that can't live here !!  

The second home owner has made this town in terms of property values - cache and tax revenue.  Do you care or make allowances for our situation ?  NO YOU DON'T - You just sit there with your wise cracks about the "law is the law" and that we have no voting rights so tough. You should be ashamed of yourself.  You live in a beautiful town that is what it is today predominantly because of the GAY SECOND HOMEOWNER - if it was not for us you would still be packing fish."
  
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To the person who wrote this-
 
Provincetown gay sraight, what ever has always been a beautuful town!  get over your self!
7:35 am edt 

Lost Yorkie
 
Anybody in the west end please keep your eyes open for a 9 lb yorkie named Fia. She got loose around 3 PM on Sunday, near the Red Inn 617-548-4621.

Thanks
7:31 am edt 

Dumping on the Beach

TO ALL WHO FIND IT SO EASILY TO COMPLAIN ABOUT DOGS ON THE BEACH:

THIS MORNING I FOUND TWO DIAPERS LEFT ON THE TOWN BEACH.

PERHAPS WE SHOULD BAN FAMILIES AND CHILDREN FROM THE BEACH?

PERHAPS WE SHOULD FINE THEM $100 PER DIAPER DUMPING!
7:31 am edt 

3 day Work Week:
 
Perhaps they should have taken the day on the Thursday?  Definately not on a Monday after being closed for 3 days....  Who took the heat from the citizens when they tried to call after the catastrophe?  Gee... I bet is was the Police?
7:29 am edt 

Sewer Problem:

Rumor has it... there were probems with the system and it's been  hush hush?????

The truth generally comes out in the end!
7:28 am edt 

It's Your Money!

The town is thinking our economic situation will improve as the economy recovers.  This maneuvering should be called "extend and pretend" as it aint going to happen soon.  I have only heard a FEW select business say they are doing fine.  MOST retail and resturants are down and with no EXTRA tax dollars coming into town, WHERE WILL [we] GET THE MONEY TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING THE TOWN WANTS.  Lets STOP pretending and run the town like it was OUR OWN CHECKING ACCOUNT.
7:27 am edt 

Congrats to the Webmaster!

Town government is now using your website to get important information out to its residents! Town officials all claim they don't 'read' it.
Yeah, right! How about sending the webmaster a thank you note for the valuable service his website has provided our communnity during this crisis?
7:25 am edt 

Re: Couture Ineptitude

How many times do we have to experience massive failure of the town's septic to say it is 'inferior'? Why is Couture saying the system is not inferior? Is she Metcalf & Eddy's mole in our government? Thanks Couture now we will never be made whole again! Could you hurt us anymore than you have? Amazing how selectmen like Couture will defend something so indefendsible because she voted for it!
7:24 am edt 

Re: BOS Shortcoming

Something is wrong with the BOS to vote against reverse 911 and $10,000 in funding needed for police training. They just don't understand the needs of the ENTIRE community but seem to cater only to their base whether its affordable housing or the schools. It's time for them to represent all of us, primary, secondary homeowner, renter etc.
7:21 am edt 

Re: Cape Inn

Is it true that the Cape Inn has been sold to a developer for 8.7 million? I heard people at Napi's talking about it last night. Here's the kicker, they are going to put in low income housing and a day care center. Has anyone else heard anything, this seems ridiculous to me.
7:20 am edt 

Monday, July 13, 2009

Re: Second Home Owners

How about if everyone chillaxes and gets off the second home owners? If it weren't for the second home owners, the year round residents would not be able to afford many of the services that they have been accustomed to. Would you rather pay for your trash pickup? Have town hall only open 2 days per week? Streets not plowed in the winter? By the looks of it, the second home owners have provided us with many, many services. Hell, we couldn't even afford to fix the town hall. Let's try and work together as residents of Provincetown and come up with some solutions to the ongoing fiscal problems that we will be facing for the near future.

Year rounder
12:02 am edt 

Friday, July 10, 2009

Re: Second Home Owners

You can indeed register to vote here. And Town Meetings are posted well in advance so you could schedule your paid vacation from your megabucks job in a major metropolitan area. Conveniently, our over-ride elections are scheduled on the Tuesday following Town Meeting so you can save on gas or airfare while you are saving us from ourselves.

AND I AGREE SHOUTING IS BAD MANNERS. -Ouch      
11:10 pm edt 

Re : Second Home Owners
 
Thank you blogger for your observation concerning the use of the CAPS lock - it is not used to shout - it is used to drive home a point that clearly isn't understood execpt by seemingly humerous, yet light on fact rebuttals.

Point 2 - an IRA is not a Pension (which was what was mentioned) - an IRA is transferrable and wholly owned by the individual.  A Pension plan is a retirement plan provided and fully paid for by a company when a person retires they are guaranteed  monthly payments by the company after a certain number of years service. If the person leaves the company they forfeit the entire pension plan. That is why a person can not just "up and leave" to come to Ptown

Tra la la la - second chorus :)
11:08 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System 9 AM Meeting

I attended the 9am meeting which the town manager, board of Selectmen, DPW, et al held with the men responsible for the sewer system and their lawyer. Unfortunately, I was only there an hour.

The Town Government is being as thorough as possible in all of its demands from this group regarding this sewer catastrophe which started on the Fourth of July weekend.

As an aside, the one thing that we do need is a reverse 911 system to inform the citizens of Provincetown in the case of such an emergency.  It was vetoed in the past budget and must be reinstated.

I hope that we can fund it at the next town meeting.
Michael Rogovsky
11:05 pm edt 

Second Homeowners:
 
To all the second homeowners blogging on here that you have no say in how the town is run, I do have sympathy for you. But, you have the right to write a letter to be read into the minutes of ANY MEETING by ANY BOARD. Go on the town web site, find out when the meetings are and what is on the agenda. If you have an opinion on anything in said agenda, write a letter and send it to the board. And for the second homeowner who said they get NOTHING from the town and no say in how the town is run, I beg to differ. Your taxes, just like mine, help to make the town run. Garbage pick up, street sweeping, cemetary maintenance, payrolls. Just because you are not here all the time doesn't mean the town stops running until you get back to your second home for a week, just as it keeps running when you leave. The world, and Provincetown, don't revolve around your vacation schedule. Just saying.
11:00 pm edt 

Its Just Wrong!

I was registered to vote in Ptown while living in CT and went to as many Town Meetings as I could. I now live here full time and would love second homeowners to vote here. We have got to stop paying for things we cannot afford and there is a certain group of people who do not own who have their hands up at Town Meeting voting for everything and not having to pay a single cent! Its just wrong!
10:59 pm edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

I'm wondering why several of the second homeowners posts are delivered with the CAPS LOCK key engaged. Perhaps that's the way things are done in the REAL WORLD. Thanks for enlightening us, but, there's no need to shout. Fact is: register in one town, vote only in that town. Doesn't matter how big your IRA is, tra-la-la-la.  
4:27 pm edt 

Reverse 911 Re: Sewer System

$9,000 was the cost of a reverse 911--and yet it was cut from the budget. I came home Saturday night and folks were washing clothes.

Sunday morning I called a friend and he said that the sewer was backing up in peoples homes. Little did I know.

If we were warned, we wouldn't have washed clothes.

Some people have to have their entire apartments ripped down to the studs--with the bacteria infecting every surface--even kitchen cabinets.
4:25 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System
Provincetown Chamber of Commerce
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Provincetown Chamber of Commerce
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PROPERTY OWNERS REPORT DAMAGE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Below is a form for Property Owner's to report damages to their private property as a result of the July 4th Sewer Emergency, the form is also available on the town's website.  Please forward this form to all those you think might have sustained damages from the sewer failure. 
All property owners are required to contact and file a claim with their homeowner's insurance company even though their policy might excluded coverage for this type of incident.
We are asking all property owners who have sustained damage to complete the attached report and return to the Town Manager Office so that we can ascertain the extent of damage to private property owners and to establish a program for processing claims with AECOM's or the Town's Insurance carriers as appropriate.
 
JULY 4th SEWER DAMAGE REPORT
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Property Address:  ____________________________________________________
 
Property Owner's Name:  _______________________________________________
 
Contact information
            Phone number:  (_____)______________      (_____)________________
            Mailing Address: _____________________________________________
            Email Address:    _____________________________________________
 
 
Timeframe of the incident affecting your property:  _________________________
 
Description of damages (please describe how the property was impacted during the
sewer emergency and the resulting damages):

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Did you have a private waste hauler / plumber / clean-up crew respond to your incident,
 if so who: 
_____________________________________________________________
 
Estimated cost of damages:   ______________________________________________
 
Home Owner's Insurance Company
Contact info:  _________________________________________________________
 
 
Please attach any photos, invoices or receipts to the form and return  to the:
Town Manager's Office, 260 Commercial Street, Provincetown, MA 02657
or fax to 508-487-9560

4:23 pm edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

To the blogger that started a business here - congratulations.

However, once again, most second home owners need to live in major metropolitan cities to make the wages needed to live in ptown.  We all can't just start businesses - can you see half of the town starting a business ? Many of us have pension plans in our present companies and our line of work (medical, software etc)does not allow us to live in ptown.  We need to be in these fields and in major metropolitan areas to once again to afford to own in Ptown.

There will always be exceptions to the rule but in general to own property in ptown one can't live here full time.

It amazes me that this simple, logical fact is not understood better and that our town does not include us when the situation of why we can't live here full time is obvious and economically sound.

Forget the vote issue for a second - what about town offices ?  Not open on Fridays ??  Not open on Saturday mornings ?? Zoning and town meetings Mid week instead of Fridays or Mondays regularly ?

IT IS CLEAR THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ACCCOMDATION MADE FOR THE SECOND HOME OWNER TO ATTEND MEETINGS OR HAVE CONVENIENT ACCESS TO TOWN OFFICES.

IT IS UNBELIEVEABLE TO THINK THAT A TOWN LIKE PTOWN MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO CONCESSIONS TO A MAJORITY GROUP THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A MAJORITY OF THE TOWNS REVENUES.  THAT IS A FACT - YOU CAN COME UP WITH ALL THE 'WHY NOTS' IN THE WORLD BUT THE FACT IS THIS TOWN DOES NOTHING FOR THE SECOND TAX PAYING HOMEOWNER.  

The argument should not just be "move here" - that is an EXUCSE. This is a unique situation where more than half the town can't be here and this town needs to make some accomodation for that.
9:07 am edt 

The Power of the Word

Some say this Blog has no power, well I say different. Does anybody remember my post a few weeks ago about the guardrail on Rt. 6 near Adrians Resturant that had been torn up by a snow plow in the storm we had about 4 years ago, and how it had yet to be fixed? And how incredibly dangerous it was in the condition it was in?

Well low and behold but I drive by there a week ago and it has been replaced! I think that someone who has connections and doesn't read this Blog has been reading this Blog and took action on this matter. Thank you (fill in your name).

A Rat In The Baement
8:31 am edt 

Re: Stephen Mitchell, 64, of Antrim, New Hampshire

"Stephen Mitchell, 64, of Antrim, N.H., collapsed from a medical condition while on a guided tour in the national park, Provincetown" police Sgt. James Golden said.

A rescue call was made to police at about 10:55 p.m. reporting an apparent death. Golden and Provincetown Fire Chief Michael Trovato were at the scene where Mitchell's remains were taken from the park Wednesday night.


"Mitchell had participated in the Seashore's guided tours in the past. The two-mile guided tour Wednesday night was held from 9 to 11 p.m. to see the full moon, Seashore North District" ranger Craig Thatcher said.

This is how I want to die--I want to either die in sensual ecstasy while having sex or this way--watching the full moon from the pristine provincelands--or preferably BOTH!
8:29 am edt 

Town Dump Operations

Why isn't the dump open 7-2pm or 8am-3pm? This way, people can trim hedges or accumulate things and even do a dump run during their lunch break.

I eat lunch at my desk so that I can take a hour to do any errands that need to be done. It would be so much more convenient if the dump didn't close at 1pm.
8:23 am edt 

Thursday, July 9, 2009

Maybe We Now Know For Certain the Four-Day Work week Doesn't Work

No one is around when the problems are big and tough. Then a four day work week becomes a three day work week like this week. And then they leave early and then they don't eat their free lunch and leave early.

It is a system that few towns and fewer cities would ever implement. And especially in a tourist town, no one working on Fridays? Then on a holiday, no one is also not working on Monday? Given how much we are paying for town services, we should have town services.

And then who else would have dump service from 6 in the morning and then end at 1 p.m. Sharon, what were you thinking when you agreed to this inefficient work week. And Michele, even though you're not a math wizard, if you counted how many days people are really working, why would you agree to this contract?
11:05 pm edt 

SEWER MEETING

Provincetown Chamber of Commerce
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Provincetown Chamber of Commerce
SEWER MEETING
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The Provincetown Board of Selectmen  will hold a Public Meeting on Friday, July 10, 2009 at 9:00 a.m. in Room 6 at the Grace Gouveia Building, 26 Alden Street, Provincetown, MA 02657 to get a wastewater update.
 
Contact Information
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phone: 508-487-3424
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11:03 pm edt 

With Sadness We Announce the Loss of Our Good Friend Jack Papetsas
 
Jack Papetsas was an insitution, he was such a deep part of Provincetown's history. Sal's Place was a key restaurant where the past lived and what Provincetown had been still occurred each night.

Jack passed away yesterday and we are saddened not to have his larger than life energy filling Sal's and this town.

His funeral Mass will be Saturday at 10:00 a.m. on July 11th at Our Lady of Lourdes on Route 6 in Wellfleet.

We offer our condolences to his family and his many friends.
11:01 pm edt 

BOS Chair Lack of Education

Since when is a person uneducated just because said person only has a high school education? MANY people who have gone further in education have the education skills of a five year old! George W. Bush comes to mind! At least our chair of the BOS volunteers her time for the town! What do you do for the town other than pointing fingers? Remember that when you point the finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you!
11:00 pm edt 

Second Home Owners


I also believe if your blogging on here about how bad the town is run, and then say how you can't live here because its too expensive, yet you own a property here but have no say in the running of the town because you don't vote here. You only have yourself to blame! I bought property here, moved here year round, and started my own business and I'm doing very well thank you! And no. My property is not affordable housing. If you own two homes but can't make ends meet! Maybe you should rethink why you have more than one home.

10:58 pm edt 

All For None and None For All

Why do the people on this blog continue to have to separate groups in Provincetown?
2nd homeowners vs residents
Natives vs 'washashores'
gay vs straight

What does that really accomplish except to divide us?
9:01 pm edt 

Second Home Owner

RE: "So let me get this straight. You buy property here, but don't live here because you can't afford to live here? I think your living beyond your means"
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ARE YOU CRAZY ? The average property in PTOWN now ranges between 300,000 and 1,000,000 dollars - do you know of any jobs in this town that pay enough to pay that mortgage ??
You think we can't live here becuase we over extended ourselves ??  What planet of logic are you from ?

I work very hard to have my presence in Ptown - no one subidizes my housing, I don't rent and I did not inherit a property here. Once again - to own here is between 300,000 and 1,000,000 dollars - do you know of jobs that would allow us to live here ? Be fair on this one.

What is the alternative - we didn't buy ? What would your property values be then ??

I don't nor have I ever lived beyond my means !! Regardless of the fact - IT IS NO REASON TO EXCLUDE THE SECOND HOMEOWNER FROM THE PROCESS OR COME UP WITH EVERY HAIR BRAINED EXCUSE AND REASON TO DO SO !!
4:47 pm edt 

Here's a Key Statistic:
 
Chair of Board of Selectmen: single, almost fifty, grammar school education.

What can you expect from the rest? She is in control? there in lies a major problem. Can this woman have any solution or is she part of the problem?  

And this Chair wanted to hold the Emergency meeting for the sewer--not on Monday, but today, Wednesday. What is wrong with her brain? Perhaps, simply uneducated.
4:44 pm edt 

Dear: Mr. 12:22
     
(thats right, still afraid to sign your name)


You are wrong. I never deceived you. The town voters were given complete information about the cost for the betterments and the cost for the use. It was pricey and we said so. I was there.
Where were you? Were you volunteering for our wonderful town? or just sitting on the sidelines being mean?

As for due diligence, it was done. The companies involved are reputable, and the State of Massachusetts gave us a clean bill of health.  

Its clear you hated Keith. Fine. I was no fan. He got the lowest of grades from both Sarah Peake and from me. And while she and i were on the board, he was ushered to the door as fast as his contract would allow.

Let go of your anger and hatred and try and be part of the solution and the future of our town.

Some positive ideas from you would be a great start.
Perhaps since you are soooooooooo smart, you will  run for the Board of Selectmen.
I'm sure you could solve every single problem we have, for very little money, and in an instant.

Congratulations all powerful one !!
2:41 pm edt 

Re: Fish Smells Like Money

There you go again - taking everything literally.  I doubt the blogger meant to imply that there was anything wrong with "packing fish". There is nothing wrong with good solid work of anykind.

Instead I'm sure the blogger meant to imply that this town has developed from a "fish packing" town to a town that is listed as the #1 Gay destination in the world. The second home onwner has contributed to the "gayness" of this town and the increased property values and tax revenues and increased tourism making this an affluent and desireable place for people to visit. The restuarants and shops florish in this environment and people want to come here and spend their money in the businesses.
Give the second homeowner some credit for what they have brought to this town please !!

If the real estate values did not increase extra significantly there would not be the tax revenue to fund all these projects that the town votes on. Some call us "snobs" - why ?  We want to be included - YOU HAPPILY EXCLUDE US - WHOS THE SNOB ???

Is this reasoning and logic so hard to understand ???
2:10 pm edt 

Take Time to Sense the Moment

The Fourth of July is passed. Now there are ten weeks until Labor day. How fast the summer goes..hold on to every day.
2:09 pm edt 

Re: Second Homer Owner

So let me get this straight. You buy property here, but don't live here because you can't afford to live here? I think your living beyond your means and you only have yourself to blame that taxes are going up and your now hurting because of the people who vote at town meeting! If you think you can run the town better, PLEASE be our guest! We welcome everyone here who wants to give back to the community!
2:08 pm edt 

More Demographics, if You Are Interested:
 
Educational Achievement:        Marital Status:
(people 25 years or older)  (people 15 years or older)

Less than 9th grade:    3.5%    Never married:  52.2%
9th-12th (nongrad):     10.9%   Married:    24.9%
High school graduate:   23.6%   Separated:  1%
Some college:           15.2%   Widowed:    6%
Associate degree:   8.8%    Divorced:   15.9%
Bachelors degree:   22.8%   Stability:
Graduate/Professional:  15.1%   Same home 5+ years: 48.3%
High school or higher:  85.6%  
Bachelors or higher:    37.9%

All data based on 2000 Census

Household Income        Occupation

<$10,000     14.8%  
$10,000-$14,999  8.6%   Mgt./Professional    30.4%
$15,000-$24,999  14.5%  Service                  23.2%
$25,000-$34,999  15%    Sales/Office             28.7%
$35,000-$49,999  15.7%  Farm/Fishing/Forestry    0.9%
$50,000-$74,999  19.1%  Construction/Maint.  10.8%
$75,000-$99,999  4.3%   Production/Transport     5.9%
$100k-$149,999   4.9%  
$150k-$199,999   1%
$200,000+    2% Below Poverty Line   16.3%

Median Household Income: $32,716

    Age
           Male   Female   Both
0-9 years:  1.9%    1.8%    3.7%
10-19 years:    3.2%    2.6%    5.8%
20-29 years:    5%  4.1%    9%
30-39 years:    12.5%   7.5%    20%
40-49 years:    11.3%   10% 21.2%
50-59 years:    9.9%    8.3%    18.2%
60-69 years:    4.5%    4.4%    8.9%
70-79 years:    3.7%    3.9%    7.6%
80+ years:  1.7%    3.8%    5.5%

Male:   53.6%   Female: 46.4%
   
Median Ages:    43.4    47.4    45.4 yr

Population:     3431
Density:    355.16 (people per square land mile)
Housing Units:  3890

In summary, Provincetown residents on average are older, poorer, more unmarried, but more educated (the BOS Chair notwithstanding) than the average USA resident.
2:06 pm edt 

Register to Have a Say!

It would be great to have second,third and even fourth and fifth homeowners get involved with town politics! We need more voters at town meetings and more homeowners on our committees! But unless you register here, you can complain till your blue in the face and it will not change a thing!Here in Provincetown we all are equal, but to change laws and taxes you have to vote here!
2:03 pm edt 

Town of Truro

Truro does not have overrides year to year like we do. They have smart well educated people running their town unlike us--
1:23 pm edt 

To: Cheryl Andrews

You my dear are part of the problem. You deceived us and didn't tell us our water rates would go through the roof when we tied on. You didn't tell us your board was recommending a system not based on due diligence but what the town could afford--a cheesy one. If the town had a dollar for everytime you were hoodwinke.d by Bergman whom YOU did not properly oversee, town hall would have paid for itself. You and your cohorts relied too much on Bergman and we all are paying dearly for it!

Just as bizarre Peake who is as much to blame, is now our state rep! It's amazing how we are still dealing with your incompetence as selectman so many years later.
1:22 pm edt 

Re: Fish Smells Like Money!

RIGHT ON! You have to wonder why these complainers even bought here, but then again we all know why! MONEY! How sad they are! I bought here and live here year round and I vote. I love it here and Im glad I only have one home so when times are hard like now I don't have the problems of these complainers who think just because they own real estate they should have a voice even when they don't vote or live here!
1:21 pm edt 

Provincetown Demographics

There are more homes in Provincetown than there are citizens..it was in the Sunday Cape Cod times.

The new Silent Majority are the worker-homeowners struggling with a Provincetown wage.

We need to find income that doesn't come out of the taxpayer's pocket.
12:58 pm edt 

Truro Second Home Owners Association


Do you really think they have any power in Truro?  What was their take on the $5million Truro library?  Or the $3 million Truro Community Center?  Or that spacious Truro Safety Facility?  Or that the Truro cops are the best paid and best equipped force on the cape?

I feel for you, I really do, but the only way you can really have a voice in town affairs is to register to vote here and show up at town meetings and town elections.  If you plan on retiring here, then set the stage now for the town you want to retire in.  Otherwise you just continue to vote at your primary residence which you will eventually leave.

Get involved, but the only real way to do it is by vote.
12:57 pm edt 

Fish Smells Like Money

I would joyously pack fish, if it meant not having to put up with the self-entitled, snobbish, unhappy second home owners - gay or not.

There is no shame in manual labor - looking down your nose at it IS shameful. Attitudes like that are hateful and say volumes about you. You have my sympathy.

The call for the outsiders to register to vote falls on deaf ears, I'm sure. These people are typically too busy looking for someone (the locals or "renters"), to blame for their troubles.
12:55 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

Things you should know about our sewer:

Cesspools fail. Title Vs fail. Sewers fail. But when a sewer fails the
results can be catastrophic. This weekend was a catastrophe. And it is critical
that the public join forces with the Town Administration and the DEP to see
that this never  happens again. I read comments on this blog that say  we bought
a flawed sewer. I agree with that statement. So what do we do about it?
Shake our heads?
yell and scream? Ok, weve done that. Now its time to take what we have learned and
demand that AECOM fix the damn thing. When a hole blew out of a pipe when I was on the Board of Selectmen,
we were told that it was an unusual accident . It was repaired, end of problem.
Obviously that was
not true. This sewer is at risk any time a hard object gets into it. It becomes a bullet.
What can we do?
There are answers. We dont know what they are today. But there are answers and our Town
never shouldve been put in the position we were this weekend. A thorough independent
engineering analysis of this system needs to take place. DEP can make sure this happens.
Call DEP.  Make sure they represent you.
Secondly, the Town should be made whole for the financial impact of this mess.

If I were on the Board of Selectmen, we would be meeting with the towns attorneys this week
preparing a Breach of Contract suit.

This is what you deserve. This is what you should demand.


Cheryl L Andrews
12:54 pm edt 

Porta-Pottie Mess

So get this: yesterday the porta-pottie guys decided to remove the things from the Johnson St. parking lot at one in the afternoon.  They really caused a stink to waft right across Pepe's wharf--which was full of dining tourists.  Another timely P-town stink bomb released!  What is it with this town that they cannot plan things appropriately? Wouldn't it have been logical (not to mention just nice) to maybe move the outhouses when the restaurant is closed? We've already irritated many thousands of our tourists with the stinking up of the West End--must we piss off even more by hauling the poopie closets away during their lunch?  
12:51 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System
 
Very interesting...........the sewer leaks of 2004....

Although the Banner says this July 4th breakdown was the fifth in the systems history.........The Banner Nov 18,2004
headline reads"DPW Director Calls Sewer Design Flawed....

There was a failure Nov 4,2004 when Brian Dudley  of DEP witnessed the failure in the East End.

In August 04 overflows occurred at 27Commercial, and at 351A,
530 and 587 Commercial...caused by uncontrolled flow of wastewater from the Ice House Condominiums....

We have been in this mess before....let's get real solutions.

Check out this website www.wateronline.com/article
12:47 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

The Population of Provincetown is 3,354. There are **496 HOMES FOR SALE** and **132 RECENTLY SOLD**.

I once found the demographics of Provincetown breaking down how many people had graduated from High School, how many had BA degrees and Master degrees--but I can't find it now.

The median in come is $32,000.

If I didn't own my own home, I'd be eligible for affordable housing.
12:18 pm edt 

Ignore the Ranting
 
I believe that it is very few people ranting and denigrating and bating the second home owners on this blog. There is so much jealousy from people who feel entitled to things towards people of accomplishment.

I've worked with some very bitter people who made bad decisions growing up and they have to live with them and they blame others rather than look at their own choices.

One guy I know ranted and raved against landlords for years and then he rented a three bedroom apartment, rented out the other two rooms and called these guys his "tenants"--and charged them a fortune.

The hard working, accomplished second home owners should just pity the the ignorant and look beyond them to the greater population of Provincetown.
12:16 pm edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

I was registered to vote in Ptown while living in CT and went to as many Town Meetings as I could. I now live here full time and would love second homeowners to vote here. We have got to stop paying for things we cannot afford and there is a certain group of people who do not own who have their hands up at Town Meeting voting for everything and not having to pay a single cent! Its just wrong!
9:46 am edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

Okay all of you that flippantly tell the the second home owner what the "LAW" is for having voting rights in this town - why can't you understand that PTOWN IS A UNIQUE SITUATION and that needs to be taken into consideration.
This town is majority owned by people that can't live here !!  

The second home owner has made this town in terms of property values - cache and tax revenue.  Do you care or make allowances for our situation ?  NO YOU DON'T - You just sit there with your wise cracks about the "law is the law" and that we have no voting rights so tough. You should be ashamed of yourself.  You live in a beautiful town that is what it is today predominantly because of the GAY SECOND HOMEOWNER - if it was not for us you would still be packing fish.  

What gratitude does the second home owner get ?  NONE - just a certain group that tells us we will not have a voice here and to go pound sand.

I think its time to contact the Truro second home owners association and find out how they do their thing and I also think that second home onwners should consider CHANGING THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE STATUS TO PTOWN.

How does that idea strike you Ptown local 'NOBILITY' ?
9:24 am edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

When people get angry enough, they no longer stay a silent majority. Please continue to provoke them on this blog. It will help form a Provincetown Second Homeowners Association
which will benifit our community.

E. Michaels Richard, how about a little get together of second homeowners and those primary homeowners who want to help you? I certainly can help you fill your living room!

Provincetown Voter
9:21 am edt 

Re: Sewer System

CC Times July 9:
 
"Some Barnstable town planners see $56 million for sewer system expansion projects as a deal they can't pass up. But to some homeowners, it smells more like a pile of waste. But even with the stimulus money, which has federal approval, but awaits the local funding, the projects could cost some homeowners more than they would save, some residents said this week. When it's all said and done, I'm looking at $40,000 or $50,000," said Centerville resident Charles Pierson, who lives on Goose Pond Road. "That's a lot of money out of my pocket. ... I can't afford that with this economy. I couldn't afford this any time."
****************************************************************************

Someone tell Mr. Pierson to also put money aside for sewage clean-ups too!

Lets stop further expansion of our faulty sewer system until safety checks and balances are put in place to avoid another Valdez sewerage spill into our streets, homes and businesses!
9:20 am edt 

Re: Second Home Owners


Yes, thanks for your taxes!

You'll never get power in Provincetown. We locals will always rule.

We will spend every penny and raise your taxes when we need more.. with pleasure!

Move away if you don't like it.
8:39 am edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

Even if second homeowners form a committee, it still will take a town meeting vote for anything that the committee may want from the town! The only solution for homeowners who do not live here to have a say in how the town spends money is for them to register to vote here in Provincetown. Plain & simple.
8:38 am edt 

Wednesday, July 8, 2009

Thanks For Posting the Sewer Problems Update

But this has been a disaster. And the solving of problems has been too little too late. Why did it take this long to fix the problem? And what will happen next time? the same thing? Probably. It's the same fractured system.
11:32 pm edt 

Wait a Minute!

Wasn't David Guertin out of town? What were you impressed with? His absence?
11:31 pm edt 

Great Job!

I would like to say that i was so impressed by the efforts during the sewer matter with the DPW Director,David Guertin,Sandra Turner, the DPW employees,the guys on the pump trucks,Rob Adams,Paul Roux, Bill Burke,and James Roderick whom worked long hours to help stop the issue in such a short period of time.......Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:16 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Second Home Owners Association (PSHOA)

Sounds like its time to start a Provincetown Second Home Owners Association PSHOA - things would sure change in a hurry. But how many people are willing to give up their voting rights in the towns they live in during the majority of
the year? I for one am registered to vote here in Ptown and plan on doing so in future elections.

TM
11:15 pm edt 

To: The Second Homeowners and the Business Owners Who Don't Live in Ptown Year-Round

You got no voice.  You got no votes.  You'll pay your taxes.  You'll put up with the year-round residents who run this town.  Why?  Because you got no choice.  Thanks for the tax money.  It pays for our schools, our cops, our fireman, our sewers, town hall, the library and that beautiful affordable housing.  We couldn't do it without you.  I mean, really, thanks.  By the way, complain all you want.  We don't mind.  We know that's all you got.  And do enjoy your summer.  And, once again, thanks.

The Reaper
11:12 pm edt 

Sewer Issue:

I am glad I did not hook up to the system and NEVER plan on it.....

I hope people think before they make choices on another phase?  What an unnecessary expense....
11:09 pm edt 

Sewer Problem:

The town stepped up when the problem started to affect Sharon Lynn....  

Don't be fooled by mis-information....  It should not have taken 2 days before the town started working on solving the problem......  4th of July or not.....
11:08 pm edt 

Attention Second Homeowners!

Contact the president of Truro's Association of second home owners (get contact info from their Town Hall) and use their effective template here. They have a representative who goes to Town Meetings. Their association wields a lot of power and respect in Truro. The same can and should be done here.

from, a primary homeowner who understands the power and resources of the second homeowner.
11:07 pm edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

2nd Home Owner Intoned:"We have REAL WORLD experience in how to get things done - not just experience of being in a small insular haven where things get done with clandestine meetings of several people who want to impose their will on this town."
******************************************************

If I had a buck for every entitled washashore that ventured into Provincetown believing they've got the world by the tail I'd have a second home in Provence. Or maybe Fuji.
4:32 pm edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

If you don't like that only renters vote at town meeting. Whos fault, but the homeowners who do not vote here! Like it or not that is the American way. And always will be unless you can get the laws changed. Just blogging on here will not do it all.
4:15 pm edt 

Read My Lips

Again! We don't care if your a second homeowner or not. The only way that you have a voice is to become a registered voter HERE in Provincetown! Thats the law!
2:18 pm edt 

Special Report Re: Sewer System
Provincetown Business Guild

Provincetown Business Guild
Special Report
July 8,  2009
Town Manager's Sewer Update - 12 Noon, Wednesday, July 8
As of noon today the Provincetown sewer system is up and running 100%. We are proceeding with caution and checking and re-checking all areas of the town's system and will be following this procedure throughout the remainder of the day.
 
Please continue to report any problems to the DPW staffed telephone lines at 508-487-7060.
 
Thank you for your continued patience!
 
Town Manager Sharon Lynn
Town Manager's Sewer Update - 9 AM, Wednesday, July 8
Town Manager's Sewer Update
9:00 a.m. Wednesday, July 8, 2009

 
The following sections of the sewer system in town are now fully operational:
 
Commercial Street East main from Lopes Square to the 600 block of Commercial Street
Bradford Street West main from Standish Street to Prince Street
Commercial Street West main from Lopes Square to Franklin Street (Coast Guard station)
 
Currently, crews are working on Commercial Street from the Coast Guard station west and plan to complete the remaining portions of the west end today.
 
Notifications are being distributed to those property owners where it is safe to operate water related equipment in a normal condition.
 
Please remember that it is the property owner's responsibility to notify their individual insurance companies to report a claim whether it is covered or not. All property owners who have sustained damage to their personal property should save all receipts for repair and replacement. 
 


Town Manager's Sewer Update - 9 PM, Tuesday, July 7, 2009
Town Manager's Sewer Update
9:00 p.m. Tuesday, July 7, 2009

 
Operators have successfully completed 80% of the work needed to restore the vacuum system on Bradford Street. Crews will be working into the night to complete this leg of the system.
 
Concentration will then focus on the remainder of the west end main from Atlantic Street to the Coast Guard station at Franklin Street, continuing west to the end of the line.
 
I am hopeful that the next update by 9:00 a.m. tomorrow (Wednesday) will include significant progress into the west end from Franklin Street.
 
Please call 508-487-7060 for emergency service and to speak to a DPW staff person.
Town Manager's Sewer Update - 6PM, Tuesday, July 7, 2009
Town Manager's Sewer Update
6:00 p.m. Tuesday, July 7, 2009
 
As of 4:30 p.m. today the east vacuum main has been totally restored and made fully operational. The east end main runs from Lopes Square east to the 600 block of Commercial Street. All residential property owners, restaurants, guest houses, art galleries and other businesses can now resume operations of water-related equipment including washing machines and dishwashers without hesitation.
 
Attention is now being focused in the west end including Bradford Street and Commercial Street. As a reminder, pumper trucks will be continuously operating in the west end in order to stay ahead while keeping to a proactive schedule.
 
Please note that the DPW offices will be staffed throughout the night and into the morning hours throughout the day tomorrow. Contact with a staff person can be made by calling 508-487-7060.
 
The next update will be made as additional information is received but no later than 10:00 p.m. tonight.

Town Manager's Sewer Update - 3:00PM, Tuesday, July 7, 2009
Town Manager's Sewer Update
3:00 p.m. Tuesday, July 7, 2009

 
Operational crews continue to work at vacuum structures along the length of Commercial Street to repair the system by replacing controllers and isolating faulty valves at specific sites. Two additional people who are familiar with the system and who know the town locations have been added to the crews already working. At the present time Commercial Street, from Anthony Street west to Atlantic Avenue, is operational. The remaining portion of the east end, Anthony Street to Snows Lane, is expected to be up and running by 4:30 p.m. today which will bring total compliance to the east main system.
 
Resources are being directed to the west end mains where a methodical and systematic inspection is occurring to identify those vacuum structures in need of repair or attention to create the vacuum needed for the system. This is a slow process, however much progress is being made to date.
 
Health and Environmental Affairs Manager Brian Carlson has been in contact with county officials who have concurred with the town's approach to disinfection. According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Barnstable County Department of Health and Environment using a bleach solution is a standard and effective means of sanitizing. Further, the Massachusetts Office of Health and Human Services Community Sanitation Program office has confirmed that using a bleach solution is a standard and adequate means of sanitizing a sewer discharge to the surface in a home and/or on the ground.
 
Results received from re-sampling of the beach water taken on Monday, July 6 by the Barnstable County Department of Health and Environment officials "shows good water quality". The Massachusetts Bathing Beach Regulations indicate that the standards have been met and "the beach may be reopened to swimming". Beaches had been closed due to precautionary measures but testing has since shown all samples taken are well below acceptable standards. Health Agent Jane Evans and Brian Carlson will continue to monitor for any discharge.
 
The Department of Public Works will once again be staffed throughout the night tonight and into Wednesday morning. To speak to someone directly please call 508-487-7060.
 
Information will be updated on Tuesday, July 7, at 10:00 p.m.




Town Beaches Now Open
Dear All:
 
The Barnstable County routine beach monitoring results from Monday, July 6th, 2009 testing is complete.
 
All Town Beaches are now open.
 
Thank you,
Brian
 
Brian Carlson, MSc, RS
Health & Environmental Affairs Manager
 
Town of Provincetown
260 Commercial Street
Provincetown, MA 02657
 
Phone: 508-487-7000 ext. 537
Fax: 508-487-7040 (confidential fax)
Email: bcarlson@provincetown-ma.gov
How To Sanitize Contaminated Area
TO SANITIZE OR CLEAN-UP AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN CONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE OVERFLOW MIX A SOLUTION OF TWO TABLE SPOONS OF BLEACH TO ONE GALLON OF COOL WATER.  DO NOT USE SCENTED BLEACH.  DO NOT MIX BLEACH WITH ANY OTHER PRODUCTS.  TOO MUCH BLEACH MAY BE HARMFUL. 



   
 
 
 
Don Knuuttila
Executive Director
Provincetown Business Guild
1:40 pm edt 

Re: Paying the Pumper

With all of these pumper trucks here from as far away as Harwich; it used to cost us $500 a pop to get our septic system pumped years ago..4 times a year and that is $2,000...these guys have been going non-stop for days.

We will have to pay what they tell us to pay...$30,000?
1:37 pm edt 

Sewer Failure
 
I am sure there is enough blame and finger pointing to last a lifetime. The question I ask is, was the system overwhelmed at the same time something foreign to "regular" waste caused the breakdown? I am no engineer but it seems to me this shouldn't have happened.

This failure occurred at the same time I received notification that through federal stimulus money the town sewer will be expanded to my neighborhood. Needless to say  this should be put on hold until a full review of the present system is thoroughly conducted.
 
Kudos to the town employees, pump contractors, clean-up crews and volunteers who have been working around the clock during the crisis.

E. Michael Richards
9:22 am edt 

We are Not Going to Take This Anymore!

No matter what[,] this is disgusting! we will [not]stand for this!! This is going to cost us thousands of dollars that could have been avoided.
9:14 am edt 

Re: Second Home Owners Participation in Town Government
 
"---I personally do not want someone who lives here sporadically during the summer or even six months to decide issues which would effect the fabric of this community.--"
*****************************************************************************

Excuse me - who are you ?? You want to live in this town which has been made affluent by second home owners who work their butts off to own property here and you don't want us to have a voice ?  Did it ever occur to you that we love this town as much as you do and only want the best for it ?  We have REAL WORLD experience in how to get things done - not just experience of being in a small insular haven where things get done with clandestine meetings of several people who want to impose their will on this town.

Things will change as there is no way this can go on forever.  The Ptown "NOBILITY" of year round locals can't exclude the second home owner that makes up a majority of town property owners

I don't know how people can live here year round with the prices of homes here. They either must either live in affordable housing or live in a property that was purchased 20+ years ago for nothing.  The rest of us that bought here HAVE TO LEAVE to make the money to live here.
It should not exclude us from having voting rights.
9:07 am edt 

Thank God for Sharon Lynn!

She is resolving the multiple messes of her predecessor.   She is not responsible for the flawed sewer system, but she is the one that moved quickly to respond to the meltdown this weekend.  She's also the one that has been pushing to renovate Town Hall, after her predecessor ingored if for years.   In her short time here, she has been mired in muck that she assumed from her predecessor, and she has consistently tried to tackle one problem after another.   I admire her effective. low key style.  Give her chance.  She is fixing our infrastructure, which has been neglected for too long, as a result of the prior administration.  There's no doubt in my mind that she will get the streets re-paved too, after she fixes the sewer, so that once again we can be proud of our little town.  
9:05 am edt 

How Would We Have Known?

It is a sorry state of affairs when the Town Manager realized that there was a sewer problem when HER toilet backed up. I heard about the the situation on July 4th evening from upset and outraged property owners. Where are the checks and balances? The only checks they want are our tax payments and betterment payments. I have yet to see the budget ever balance.

TIME FOR A CHANGE

Done and Bradford Street
9:03 am edt 

Re: Library Holiday Closure

Why is our library, considered the jewel of town and a major tourist attraction, closed on major holiday weekends?

This past weekend, the library was closed on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. What message does that send to our visitors?

Imagine if the whale watch boats, restaurants and other attractions closed down for three days on a holiday weekend.

This begs the question of whether or not our library is an institution for the employees or the residents and visitors of our town?
9:02 am edt 

Tuesday, July 7, 2009

Maybe the town Manager Should View Town Residents and Visitors as Her Priority
 
Instead of trying to please and placate town employees. Seems she's got her priorities screwed up. Give them a four day work week. Give them Monday off since they need to celebrate. But what about all the tourists and residents? What about their needs and issues?

Lead the town and not only those who work in the trailers. Wrong focus.It is the town you're supposed to manage, not just those sitting inside the West Goshen-like trailers. We need more than this for Provincetown to thrive. And it is not thriving, not at all!
10:43 pm edt 

Town Manager's Sewer Update Re: Sewer System
Provincetown Chamber of Commerce
Provincetown Chamber of Commerce 
 www.ptownchamber.com

 
Town Manager's Sewer Update
6:00 p.m. Tuesday, July 7, 2009
_____________________

As of 4:30 p.m. today the east vacuum main has been totally restored and made fully operational. The east end main runs from Lopes Square east to the 600 block of Commercial Street. All residential property owners, restaurants, guest houses, art galleries and other businesses can now resume operations of water-related equipment including washing machines and dishwashers without hesitation.
 
Attention is now being focused in the west end including Bradford Street and Commercial Street. As a reminder, pumper trucks will be continuously operating in the west end in order to stay ahead while keeping to a proactive schedule.
 
Please note that the DPW offices will be staffed throughout the night and into the morning hours throughout the day tomorrow. Contact with a staff person can be made by calling 508-487-7060.
 
The next update will be made as additional information is received but no later than 10:00 p.m. tonight.
 
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Town Manager's Sewer Update

3:00 p.m. Tuesday, July 7, 2009  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Operational crews continue to work at vacuum structures along the length of Commercial Street to repair the system by replacing controllers and isolating faulty valves at specific sites. Two additional people who are familiar with the system and who know the town locations have been added to the crews already working. At the present time Commercial Street, from Anthony Street west to Atlantic Avenue, is operational. The remaining portion of the east end, Anthony Street to Snows Lane, is expected to be up and running by 4:30 p.m. today which will bring total compliance to the east main system.

Resources are being directed to the west end mains where a methodical and systematic inspection is occurring to identify those vacuum structures in need of repair or attention to create the vacuum needed for the system. This is a slow process, however much progress is being made to date. 

Health and Environmental Affairs Manager Brian Carlson has been in contact with county officials who have concurred with the town's approach to disinfection. According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Barnstable County Department of Health and Environment using a bleach solution is a standard and effective means of sanitizing. Further, the Massachusetts Office of Health and Human Services Community Sanitation Program office has confirmed that using a bleach solution is a standard and adequate means of sanitizing a sewer discharge to the surface in a home and/or on the ground.

Results received from re-sampling of the beach water taken on Monday, July 6 by the Barnstable County Department of Health and Environment officials "shows good water quality". The Massachusetts Bathing Beach Regulations indicate that the standards have been met and "the beach may be reopened to swimming". Beaches had been closed due to precautionary measures but testing has since shown all samples taken are well below acceptable standards. Health Agent Jane Evans and Brian Carlson will continue to monitor for any discharge.

The Department of Public Works will once again be staffed throughout the night tonight and into Wednesday morning. To speak to someone directly please call 508-487-7060.

Information will be updated.

9:50 pm edt 

Thanks for the Updates...but What a Crappy Mess
 
This is a disaster. This is mismanagement. This is incompetency. Why would any town implement a system that only one other town in Massachusetts has used? Why would we not use the most dependable, most used system? this is not rocket science and sewer systems have been installed for over hundreds of years.

But here we opted for this innovative, idiosyncractic sewer system? Why? Who made this terrible decision and why did the selectmen go along with this awful choice? Does anyone know?
9:48 pm edt 

Another Blow to Tourism

I just learned the Whydah Musuem bldg is for sale.   Thanks to the pier miscreants doing everything they could however illegal.

To visit the whydah next year you'll have to go to Newport, RI.
9:47 pm edt 

Provincetown Sewer System

Blame the idiot who doesn't have the engineer's license and was hired as the big        DPW Director. The town of Provincetown hires David Guertin as someone who has no clue what he's doing and then they put him in charge of the sewer project. Well the proof is in the pudding and actions speak louder then words, the only thing David Guertin is good for is selling CRAP! He's cost the town money in the past in fines, law suits and here he goes again more screw ups. Glad I didn't hook up to the sewer!
9:44 pm edt 

Our "Black Elephant"

The sequence of events leading up to the failure of Provincetowns central sewer system helps illustrate the problems associated with our towns management.

For so long, I have heard how frightening those second homeowners might be if allowed to exercise their franchise.  These people, who are only here on the weekends, hardly know about the travails of our town, or so I have been told.

After the events surrounding the 4th of July weekend, and the sewer system failure, I submit that these second homeowners know as much, if not more, than our own town hall staff especially because it appears that second homeowners spend more time in Provincetown than our own highly paid town hall employees spend in town hall. After this weekend, it is glaringly apparent how much town halll employees are being paid for not being there.

If you live here year-round, like I do, you learn to drive around the potholes. But when the potholes are covered with raw sewage, I draw the line. As many folks know, our town hall has been relocated to a bunch of trailers. Except for the office of the town clerk, the trailers are closed three days a week to compensate for the voters not approving a wage increase. Before the wage saga, the town asked voters to approve a massive renovation bill that resulted from years and years and years of neglect, the result of derelict attention by town management. The voters approved to pay for renovation of a tremendous asset, despite the neglect of managers paid to protect the town.

Adding insult to injury, July 4th fell on a Saturday this year, which prompted the town manager to close town hall on Monday (providing town hall staff with yet another paid holiday in addition to the three-day weekend already enjoyed). Simply put, working at town hall has become a pretty perk that all of us are paying for, along with enhanced sewer problems.

Perhaps we should step back and recognize that while the rest of the world is tightening their belt and finding ways to deliver more for less, Provincetown is doing just the opposite. A four-day holiday weekend for a tourist municipality at the height of the summer season is simply unconscionable whether you are a homeowner, tenant, visitor or vagrant.

Shame on our elected officials for allowing this malfeasance to occur, and shame shame shame on the people who claim they serve the town of Provincetown.

Perhaps it is time to allow the disenfranchised property owners, who subsidize the town without a vote, to be allowed to exercise their franchise.

Irrespective of what happens at the ballot box, Provincetown voters need to accept responsibility for allowing such incompetence to govern this town. Empowerment is a very powerful tool. The sewer problem has now become our "black elephant" to embrace, one and all.
9:37 pm edt 

Don't Make a Wave!

Hey, make that 'show any {competent} leadership past or present~~~

They are in over their heads in you know What!!!
8:00 pm edt 

Re:Second Home Owners Participation in Town Government

"---I personally do not want someone who lives here sporadically during the summer or even six months to decide issues which would effect the fabric of this community.--"
 **************************************************************************

Yeah, the fabric that now has to be BLEACHED because of  blinding government ambition to have a town septic no matter how inferior?
7:58 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

FYI: The town sewer debacle has been reported on Foder's ~ known for "choice travel experiences".

http://www.fodors.com/community/united-states/provincetown-july-2009-sewer-failure-town-beaches-closed.cfm

-Bubble Up
7:54 pm edt 

What Full-Time Government.......What Leadership?

Full time year round government did nothing after the first, second, third and fourth main line broke and damage occured. Where was our full time leadership? Keeping their fingers crossed? Hoping there wouldn't be a fifth time? Knock on wood. Well there was a fifth time and our community has been hurt by it. Give this town to the second homeowner to run for just six months and the town would be better for it. They would implement safety, fiscal and management checks and balances, cut the fat out of the budget and get rid of certain unproductive and unethical town employees. Something which is an anathma to the current BOS. God forbid they show any leadership past or present.
7:11 pm edt 

Special Report Re: Sewer System

Provincetown Business Guild
Provincetown Business Guild
Special Report
July 7,  2009
Town Manager's Sewer Update - 6PM, Tuesday, July 7, 2009
Town Manager's Sewer Update
6:00 p.m. Tuesday, July 7, 2009
 
As of 4:30 p.m. today the east vacuum main has been totally restored and made fully operational. The east end main runs from Lopes Square east to the 600 block of Commercial Street. All residential property owners, restaurants, guest houses, art galleries and other businesses can now resume operations of water-related equipment including washing machines and dishwashers without hesitation.
 
Attention is now being focused in the west end including Bradford Street and Commercial Street. As a reminder, pumper trucks will be continuously operating in the west end in order to stay ahead while keeping to a proactive schedule.
 
Please note that the DPW offices will be staffed throughout the night and into the morning hours throughout the day tomorrow. Contact with a staff person can be made by calling 508-487-7060.
 
The next update will be made as additional information is received but no later than 10:00 p.m. tonight.

Town Manager's Sewer Update - 3:00PM, Tuesday, July 7, 2009
Town Manager's Sewer Update
3:00 p.m. Tuesday, July 7, 2009

 
Operational crews continue to work at vacuum structures along the length of Commercial Street to repair the system by replacing controllers and isolating faulty valves at specific sites. Two additional people who are familiar with the system and who know the town locations have been added to the crews already working. At the present time Commercial Street, from Anthony Street west to Atlantic Avenue, is operational. The remaining portion of the east end, Anthony Street to Snows Lane, is expected to be up and running by 4:30 p.m. today which will bring total compliance to the east main system.
 
Resources are being directed to the west end mains where a methodical and systematic inspection is occurring to identify those vacuum structures in need of repair or attention to create the vacuum needed for the system. This is a slow process, however much progress is being made to date.
 
Health and Environmental Affairs Manager Brian Carlson has been in contact with county officials who have concurred with the town's approach to disinfection. According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Barnstable County Department of Health and Environment using a bleach solution is a standard and effective means of sanitizing. Further, the Massachusetts Office of Health and Human Services Community Sanitation Program office has confirmed that using a bleach solution is a standard and adequate means of sanitizing a sewer discharge to the surface in a home and/or on the ground.
 
Results received from re-sampling of the beach water taken on Monday, July 6 by the Barnstable County Department of Health and Environment officials "shows good water quality". The Massachusetts Bathing Beach Regulations indicate that the standards have been met and "the beach may be reopened to swimming". Beaches had been closed due to precautionary measures but testing has since shown all samples taken are well below acceptable standards. Health Agent Jane Evans and Brian Carlson will continue to monitor for any discharge.
 
The Department of Public Works will once again be staffed throughout the night tonight and into Wednesday morning. To speak to someone directly please call 508-487-7060.
 
Information will be updated on Tuesday, July 7, at 10:00 p.m.




Town Beaches Now Open
Dear All:
 
The Barnstable County routine beach monitoring results from Monday, July 6th, 2009 testing is complete.
 
All Town Beaches are now open.
 
Thank you,
Brian
 
Brian Carlson, MSc, RS
Health & Environmental Affairs Manager
 
Town of Provincetown
260 Commercial Street
Provincetown, MA 02657
 
Phone: 508-487-7000 ext. 537
Fax: 508-487-7040 (confidential fax)
Email: bcarlson@provincetown-ma.gov
How To Sanitize Contaminated Area
TO SANITIZE OR CLEAN-UP AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN CONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE OVERFLOW MIX A SOLUTION OF TWO TABLE SPOONS OF BLEACH TO ONE GALLON OF COOL WATER.  DO NOT USE SCENTED BLEACH.  DO NOT MIX BLEACH WITH ANY OTHER PRODUCTS.  TOO MUCH BLEACH MAY BE HARMFUL. 



   
 
 
 
Don Knuuttila
Executive Director
Provincetown Business Guild
7:06 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System
 
Provincetown Chamber of Commerce
Provincetown Chamber of Commerce 
 www.ptownchamber.com

 

Town Manager's Sewer Update

3:00 p.m. Tuesday, July 7, 2009  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Operational crews continue to work at vacuum structures along the length of Commercial Street to repair the system by replacing controllers and isolating faulty valves at specific sites. Two additional people who are familiar with the system and who know the town locations have been added to the crews already working. At the present time Commercial Street, from Anthony Street west to Atlantic Avenue, is operational. The remaining portion of the east end, Anthony Street to Snows Lane, is expected to be up and running by 4:30 p.m. today which will bring total compliance to the east main system.

Resources are being directed to the west end mains where a methodical and systematic inspection is occurring to identify those vacuum structures in need of repair or attention to create the vacuum needed for the system. This is a slow process, however much progress is being made to date. 

Health and Environmental Affairs Manager Brian Carlson has been in contact with county officials who have concurred with the town's approach to disinfection. According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Barnstable County Department of Health and Environment using a bleach solution is a standard and effective means of sanitizing. Further, the Massachusetts Office of Health and Human Services Community Sanitation Program office has confirmed that using a bleach solution is a standard and adequate means of sanitizing a sewer discharge to the surface in a home and/or on the ground.

Results received from re-sampling of the beach water taken on Monday, July 6 by the Barnstable County Department of Health and Environment officials "shows good water quality". The Massachusetts Bathing Beach Regulations indicate that the standards have been met and "the beach may be reopened to swimming". Beaches had been closed due to precautionary measures but testing has since shown all samples taken are well below acceptable standards. Health Agent Jane Evans and Brian Carlson will continue to monitor for any discharge.

The Department of Public Works will once again be staffed throughout the night tonight and into Wednesday morning. To speak to someone directly please call 508-487-7060.

Information will be updated.

 
 
 
 
7:03 pm edt 

Second Home Owners and Voting

Every second home owner has the constitutional right to vote in this town and to serve on our town boards.  All they have to do is register to vote here which means they will no longer be able to vote in their home towns.  ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.  Those are the rules.

I personally do not want someone who lives here sporadically during the summer or even six months to decide issues which would effect the fabric of this community.  If they do not live here year round, how can they understand the true needs of this community.

And how can someone who lives here part time possibly serve on a town board.  Most boards meet most often during the off season.  Even as a alternate member, you have to be able to make the meetings

That may work for your dog park Candace, but it will not work for town government.
5:42 pm edt 

Re: Silent Voices

Instead of griping to an anonymous online forum about the lack of beach signage why don't you pick up the phone, or email, Jane Evans and say "I know we are in a public health disaster/emergency situation, I'd like to help out by posting the Beach Closed signs because you are probably too busy supervising street bleaching to get to it." It's a disaster folks, help out and stop griping, bake cookies and give them to the septic haulers working 24 hours a day, help an elderly neighbor cleanout overflor or do SOMETHING useful.
5:08 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

4:40pm and what do we hear: back up at Webster place and 7 Alden Street. We head earlier in the day that stuff is gushing out of the "candy canes".

This problem is wide spread..
5:07 pm edt 

Re: Second Home Owners

Second homeowners represent 65% of all homes. although my primary home is in Ptown, and therefore I can participate in government such as be on a board and vote which I am and do, I asked our chair, if she would entertain the thought of allowing our second home owners an opportunity to be alternates on town boards. So, they could participate in town government. She emphatically said 'no.' Case closed.  I also asked our BOS during the public meeting concerning town wide 2010 goals that they encourage community service and encourage second homeowners to get involved in the town. My request fell on deaf ears.

I suggest second home owners band together and demand representation at town meetings like Truro has. You have the potential of being a powerful voice and an enormous benefit to the town we all love.
4:34 pm edt 

Special Report Re: Sewer System
Provincetown Business Guild
Provincetown Business Guild
Special Report
July 7,  2009
How To Sanitize Contaminated Area
TO SANITIZE OR CLEAN-UP AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN CONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE OVERFLOW MIX A SOLUTION OF TWO TABLE SPOONS OF BLEACH TO ONE GALLON OF COOL WATER.  DO NOT USE SCENTED BLEACH.  DO NOT MIX BLEACH WITH ANY OTHER PRODUCTS.  TOO MUCH BLEACH MAY BE HARMFUL. 



   
 
Town Manager's Sewer Update - 9AM, TUESDAY, JULY 7
Town Manager's Sewer Update
9:00 a.m. Tuesday, July 7, 2009

 
Operational crews worked until midnight on Dyer Street as a second blockage was located there. That section of the lateral was repaired and the valve structure was back filled. The work on this section of the east main continued at 4:00 a.m. and the east main, from Lopes Square to Anthony Street, is now fully operational. The remaining portion of the east main, from Anthony Street to Snows Lane, is where trucks will continue to pump from vacuum structures until this section is up and running.
 
Dyer Street is expected to be opened to traffic by 10:30 a.m. today.
 
Crews are now concentrating their efforts in the west end. Currently, those vacuum structures from Lopes Square to Atlantic Avenue have been properly identified awaiting the installation of new controller units. This work will commence by 10:00 a.m. today and continue throughout the day in the west end.
 
Today, at 4:00 a.m., Health Agent and the Health and Environmental Affairs Manager began clean up and disinfection operations using the street sweeper to first clean debris from the streets followed by hand and mechanical spraying of the streets. This operation began on Bradford Street at Alden Street, west to Webster Place, continuing from Ryder Street west on Commercial Street to 27 Commercial St. and then the length of the east end of Commercial Street from Snail Road to Gosnold Street. With oversight from the Health Agent and the Health and Environmental Affairs Manager the disinfection process will continue throughout the day as each vacuum structure is pumped.
 
Pumper trucks will continue to pump all locations in the west end throughout the day.
 
Information will be updated by Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 3:00 p.m.
 
Please continue to contact the DPW at 508-487-7060 or the emergency 24 hour service at 508-487-5474 to report problems and request information. Please attempt to limit sewer related emergency calls to Town Hall and the Police Department as these calls will be directed to the DPW.
Town Manager's Sewer Update - 9:30PM, MONDAY, JULY 6
The Board of Selectmen convened an emergency public meeting on July 6, 2009 at 5:00 p.m. at the Grace Gouveia Building where the Town Manager presented a chronological accounting of the events relating to the sewer emergency, which began on July 4. AECOM engineers and operational contractors from Woodard and Curran answered questions from the Selectmen and the public.  The following measures were immediately instituted for all properties connected to the vacuum system:
 
Water conservation including limited use of washing machines, dishwashers, leisurely showers and bathing
Street cleaning followed by disinfection supervised by the Health Agent and the Health and Environmental Affairs Manager
24 hour staffing of emergency telephone lines
Additional pumper trucks dispatched
 
As of 7:30 p.m. Monday, July 6, the suspected leak on Dyer Street was located and repaired. Crews will continue to focus on the east vacuum main to obtain 100% operation. Attention will then move to the west vacuum main.
 
Information will be updated by Tuesday, July 7, 2009. 9:00 a.m.
 
Please continue to contact the DPW at 508-487-7060 or the emergency 24 hour service at 508-487-5474 to report problems and request information.


 
Don Knuuttila
Executive Director
Provincetown Business Guild
4:20 pm edt 

Re: "Silent Voices"
 
"I go to the beach every day with my dog and there are NO signs informing the public of that fact.  At least at the town landings (2 of them) that I visit every day."

There are postings on each beach that states the beach is closed.  It's generally posted at the foot of the landing on a wooden posted, near where the permanent postings are regarding dogs, etc. 

I've seen them there every day.
4:13 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

There are trucks pumping out the houses and sewers all over town. they have to unscrew of cut off the tops of the "candy canes" and pump from there. One house had the stuff gushing from the "candy cane". Why isn't the town close down? what about the bacteria? what a health hazzard!
4:11 pm edt 

No Eyes to See With

There is pumping all over town from Atwood Lane to Bubula's to Crown Pointe and the Crown and Anchor to Howland Street.

Yet one person said that all of this talk of a sewer system problem is just a rumor because where he works no one is affected.

What a town.
3:01 pm edt 

Re: "No Barking....Please!"
 
If it can be done outside the Crown for shows and by naked boys in the street then whats it matter?  Barking goes back decades in P-Town, it's not just because of the economy hurting!  
2:58 pm edt 

Are the Rich to Blame?

Do[you] have any idea what the taxes are for a home on Telegraph Hill?  Not one of the owners has children who go to school here, they all employee local people for varies duties, you never see anyone of them complaining about the pier or police department, and they ALL give very generously to the local community.
  
I think we are forunate to have people like them in this town and those demanding affortable housing should be thankful they choose to own property here; not expecting the next affortable housing complex to be built there!

Just because we are "poor" we can't tear into those who arn't, dispite what you might want to belive it's not thier faults.  Maybe we should ask those who run this town since they are the ones who did it to us and they continue to benifit from our demise.
2:57 pm edt 

Silent Voices

I read in WickedLocal that our Health Agent closed the town beaches as a precautionary measure.  I go to the beach every day with my dog and there are NO signs informing the public of that fact.  At least at the town landings (2 of them) that I visit every day.

What good is it to close the beaches, but not tell anyone?  I just don't get it, seems pretty incompetent to me and I'm a strong supporter of our town staff.
2:54 pm edt 

A Call For Humility

Re:"I hope you all like catching and packing fish - because that is what the future of this town looks like.  Who says things don't go full circle ?"
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I am sorry I didn't know that catching and packing fish was a bad thing to do?  At least it's work.  That's a lot more than can be said for most of Provincetown.  Most things do go full circle and in this case thats what built this wonderful town you call home.  Don't forget to be humble on your crusade.
2:53 pm edt 

Second Home Owners Potential Voter Force

How about if all of the second home owners register to vote in Provincetown so that we can be heard. I would venture a guess that over 50% of the houses are second homes in town. It would only take us a few votes to have our voices heard. Any takers?

Feelin' pinched
2:51 pm edt 

Re - "Telegraph Hill Does Not Have Affordable Housing"

NO it doesn't - but it has it NEXT DOOR in one of the most expensive, sought after neighborhoods in Ptown.
12:52 pm edt 

This Town is in a Mess

I look at those top officials and I see them as incompetent. This is from that lady who thinks she's running the selectmen to this town manager Lynn. They are over their heads. It may be a small town but it does not only need small minds running this place. It needs officials who can strategize, think and take the right actions. These two are not only a sad team. They place our beloved town in jeopardy. And the problems are many. This is not good for those of us in business here. Not good at all.
12:51 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

First they didn't tell us our water bills would go through the roof if we hooked on. They never told us some of the 'start up' issues to expect. Then they didn't tell us about the four breaks in the main line to help those decide whether or not they would go on the system. Each break, they did nothing except shove, lie and deceive us into voting for phase 3.

I don't know how those people sleep at night!
12:49 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

I saw first hand on Court street, it was coming out of the sewer cover and infront of Jimmy's Hidaway.  There is no denying what it was!
12:48 pm edt 

Who is Paying For What?

Since when is it a crime to not have affordable housing in your development.  If I can afford to buy a house then fine, if I have worked and have been forunate enough to purchase a nice home here don't take that away from me.  Not every thing here is affordable, nor does it have to be.  I don't need affordable housing so I wont take advantage of it, since if I tried to get or got it; thats what I would be doing.  
If you have ever looked into it most of the people in this town with any money do not complain about "giving" to the community.  They pay taxes but don't "whine" about paying for the school or police department.  Although, most don't have children, their not hooked up to the town septic system but had to pay for it, they hire local businesses to watch over their homes (since they don't live here full time) and they don't call the police every time their cat is missing; just a few simple examples.  So don't begrudge those who have more, work on what you have because only you can help yourself. Not the tax payers of Provincetown, because those wealthy homeowners; most likley work for a big corporation in a city (the majority of the year, since they can't spend all their time here) and they might not have jobs soon themselves. And you know what that means? They wont always be able to support you!
 
I can't even beleive people have the time or the nerve to complain about some of these issues.  
12:47 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

THERE WAS NO "BUBBLE UP" ON SMALL'S Court!!!!!!!!!!
10:33 am edt 

Thanks MaryJo For Taking the Lead.....

....and insisting that the meeting for the wastewater and the susbsequent mess in town be held last night. Thanks for pushing the slugs to act fast when the town in in crisis. Look at the guest houses who may have to give back money, to the restaurants who have lost customers since they don't want to walk through this brown smelly stuff. 
  
When the going gets tough, the tough get going. That's you MaryJo.
10:32 am edt 

It Takes Wastewater Backing up in Sharon Lynn's Home to Know There is a Problem in Town?

How odd. And if it didn't smell like it did and didn't look like it did, would she know there was a sewer problem?

And with this four day work week, there was no one working Monday. It was the town's official Fourth of July holiday. So three days of work this week and no one working yesterday. That is why our great inspirational leader Couture wanted to hold the Emergency meeting Wednesday night! That's our battling leader. In the middle of brown colored seepage with tourists and town people walking through this gunk and toilets backing up through the West End, our inspired leader wanted to hold the key meeting Wednesday. We are so lucky to have this brilliant woman running our town. She surely offers the solutions we seek for our problems! It's an amazing situation, isn't it?
10:29 am edt 

Re: Sewer System

This Has Been a Failed System for Years

When it first was installed, tennis balls caused backups in people's homes. Their bathtubs were filled with waste water and all that goes with it. Houses in the East End were flooded with waste water and yet we continued to Phase Two and now they watn Phase Three. It is a problematic, untenable sewer system that should never have been installed here.

Yet, who takes responsibility for installing the wrong type of system? It seems that no one comes to the plate, no one accepts the fact that they made the wrong, very expensive decision.  
10:27 am edt 

Re: Realtors Commissions

FYI..Realtors have not made 6% commissions in years. The norm is 5% and sometimes even 4% for in house sales.
10:25 am edt 

Re: Paul Soares

Is Pauly the new Mikey? Enquiring minds want to know!
10:22 am edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Realtors in this town make a killing when they sell just one property! Do the math. Just look at where these agents live themselves! I don't think they will be needing affordable housing anytime soon.
10:21 am edt 

Re: Affordable Housing

Telegraph Hill does not have affordable housing.
10:20 am edt 

Re: Affordable Rentals

AGAIN! The reason we need more affordable rentals IS BECAUSE too many workers in town DO NOT make enough money in season to live here year round. That is why they get unemployment and need rent controlled housing! Second homeowners CAN vote on matters of the town, all you have to do is register to vote here.
10:19 am edt 

Re: Transfer Tax

A transfer Tax is a good idea.
10:18 am edt 

What the Heck is Going on in This Town?
 
A sewer system that does not work

A proposed "transfer" tax

A "rental" tax

An affordable housing policy that defies common sense - too many units and an "entitled" crowd that collects unemployment and yet believes they should be living on telegraph hill.

A town government that does not give representation and could care less about its second home owners who own a majority of real estate in this town.

Zoning and Planning boards who give developers everything they want and then don't or won't enforce their decisions.

Is this town trying to put itself out of business ??

I hope you all like catching and packing fish - because that is what the future of this town looks like.  Who says things don't go full circle ?
8:59 am edt 

Re: Transfer Tax and Realtors Fees
 
The 6% commission that goes to a realtor is industry practice - you cannot compare a real estate transfer tax to real estate commissions.  Realtor's fees are standard across the country, but real estate transfer taxes are reserved for small, greedy, fiscally irresponsible townships.  

Additionally, the realtor's 6% fee is paid for by the seller.  This is the fee that he/she pays to have his/her property represented.  They are paying for a service that is directly related to selling their home.

The 6% isn't always a realilty.  Some savvy sellers negotiate lower percentages for selling their homes, some sales are co-broked with other agents (buyers agents vs.sellers agents) When you factor this in with the amount of time it takes to actually sell a home, it's not as  lucrative and easy as you make it sound.

Finally, sellers who do not want to pay the 6% real estate broker's fee don't have to - they can choose to sell by owner.  However, if this 1% transfer tax is adopted, it will be something the buyer must do in order to buy a home in Provincetown.  So again, you cannot compare the two fees.  

I restate this - until the town becomes fiscally responsible with the taxpayers money, we should not grant them additional tax revenue.

Paul Soares    
8:30 am edt 

Sewer System Lacked Oversight

What safety checks and balances were put in after the first mainline break?
What safety checks and balances were put in after the second mainline break?
What safety checks and balances were put in after the third mainline break?
What safety checks and balances were put in after the fourth mainline break?

There has been no proper oversight of the town septic.
Bad town management continues in Provincetown!
8:27 am edt 

Re: Guertin Begone
 
Is it possible he wasnt notified....or wasnt told?? think about it...that been going around..its called COMMUNICATING...which ive been hearing that Town Hall,etc.. has a problem with........
8:15 am edt 

Re: Port-a-Potties


[Port]-a-potties where for the weekend of the 4th of july crowd, so we dont have to see people peeing and whatever on our lawns.....i know ive seen it......be thankful

8:14 am edt 

Monday, July 6, 2009

Re: Selling the Smell?

Since the sewer system was imposed on us the streets have looked like s***. Now they're covered with it. Hey Barbara, can we tax the tourists for smelling our gift to them?
10:37 pm edt 

Real Estate Transfer Tax

Give it a rest.  It failed.  A number of times.  People don't want it.  Repeat after me - IT FAILED
10:35 pm edt 

Re: David Guertin Begone

Mary Jo was dead right about voting against that inferior town septic system. Why weren't town officials notifyed by Guertin on a timely basis? Why? Because he desparately wants to expand to beach point and thought he could correct the problem quietly. He should be canned by the Town Manager
10:34 pm edt 

Re:Pier View

Amen! I couldn;t agree more..
Signed ; Tourist who uses Ferry and spends money in town.
10:33 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

go to..http://www.capecodonline.com/ and you can read all about the sewer system failure in Provincetown
10:32 pm edt 

Action vs Blahing!
 
It's the end of a long 4th of July weekend, folks, so I thought I would cap it off with a quote I recall every 4th of July, from that great American patriot, Teddy Roosevelt:
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man (or woman) who points out how the strong man (or woman) stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man/woman who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he/she fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his/her place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat."

Teddy Roosevelt at the Sorbonne in 1910
10:31 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

Sewer workers are still trying to identify and temporarily fix a leak in the town's wastewater collection system along Commercial Street, following a harried July 4th weekend where overflow calls were "almost too numerous to count," a town official familiar with the situation said this morning.

Town and sewer officials held an emergency meeting this morning in town hall, and an official response from Town Manager Sharon Lynn is expected later today. Another meeting between the board of selectmen and the board of health will be held at 5 p.m.

Town workers and sewer pump trucks responded over the weekend to individual property calls for overflows and equipment malfunctions, the town official said. That response continued today, the official said.

"We're working round-the-clock," said sewer engineer Rob Adams of Metcalf & Eddy, the Wakefield company that installed the system.

The sewer serves about 560 properties along Commercial Street, which runs along Provincetown harbor and through the downtown historic district. The street is the main thoroughfare for the fishing village's restaurants and shops.

The leak was first detected at around 9:30 a.m. Saturday when a low vacuum alarm sounded at the treatment plant, the official said.
10:28 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

sewers are erupting all over town. At the old aquarium it bubbled right up. 139 bradford street it bubbles up, and small's quart behind the mayflower..all over the place..
10:25 pm edt 

Summer Time....and the Sewage is Running Down the Streets!

Since the 4th, sewer pumping trucks have been lifting the sewer covers and pumping out the contents...It smells and people are walking on  the wet areas....enough already!

The sewer is a failure...the pumps are all broken...and homes have had the backups onto their floors and basements.

No more sewer expansion....take this flawed system away...and sue its designers.

This system is an expensive fraud...and has cost us financially and environmentally....

When the system fails on Shank Painter it will take out the
police building, the fire house, the laundry...and our supermarket.

Wish I could take a summer vacation away from here...someplace where there are no sewers.


Since the 4th, sewer pumping trucks have been lifting the sewer covers and pumping out the contents...It smells and people are walking on  the wet areas....enough already!

The sewer is a failure...the pumps are all broken...and homes have had the backups onto their floors and basements.

No more sewer expansion....take this flawed system away...and sue its designers.

This system is an expensive fraud...and has cost us financially and environmentally....

When the system fails on Shank Painter it will take out the
police building, the fire house, the laundry...and our supermarket.

Wish I could take a summer vacation away from here...someplace where there are no sewers.
10:22 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

http://www.wickedlocal.com/provincetown/news/business/x488826618/Massive-sewer-failure-in-Provincetown
10:16 pm edt 

Re: Transfer Tax

1% of $1,000,000 for the transfer tax goes to Provincetown which comes to $10,000--what about the 6% of the $1,000,000 that goes to the realtor which is $60,000? It is called the cost of doing business.

People who can spend millions of dollars on resorts and guest houses can easily afford 1% to the town.

People who can afford to spend $600,000 on a condo in Provincetown can afford the 1%. People aren't impoverishing themselves inorder to live in Provincetown.
10:15 pm edt 

Re: Transfer Tax

1% of $1,000,000 for the transfer tax goes to Provincetown which comes to $10,000--what about the 6% of the $1,000,000 that goes to the realtor which is $60,000? It is called the cost of doing business.

People who can spend millions of dollars on resorts and guest houses can easily afford 1% to the town.

People who can afford to spend $600,000 on a condo in Provincetown can afford the 1%. People aren't impoverishing themselves inorder to live in Provincetown.
10:05 pm edt 

What's Happening?

Does anyone know why there are so many port-a-potties being set up around town and in parking lots?  And what's that horrible smell downtown?
10:02 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

The sewer problem: the overflow pumps didn't work on the phase one group connected to the waste water treatment plant.
10:00 pm edt 

Get the Word Out!

Tonight at 5PM the BOS and HEALTH DEPARTMENT will have an emergency meeting for the sewer failure.

EVERYONE SHOULD ATTEND

It will be at the Grace Goval building.
ALMOST 3 days  WITHOUT A SEWER SYSTEM.  Shitty basements, no laundry can be done.  Who is going to pay for the clean up at private homes, business, resturants?  WE NEED ANSWER WHY THIS HAPPENED, AND THE FIX AND how to avoid this again
9:59 pm edt 

Re: Sewer System

What's goning on with the sewer system?

POOPY
9:57 pm edt 

Emergency Public Meeting

BOS Chair Michelle Couture has called an emergency public meeting tomorrow (Monday) regarding sewer issues at 5:00 PM in the Grace Coveia building Room #6.
9:56 pm edt 

Missing Chair

BOS Chair and Fireworks

Whether or not Couture contributed to the Fireworks Fund, her presence was lacking in the convertible that contained her colleagues at the 4th of July parade.
9:55 pm edt 

Re: Failed Sewer System

What will the town do as we move forward with the sewer system and how badly it failed on the 4th of July 2009?  it is 2PM on the 5th, and there is still no resolution as to having it fixed.   THIS IS BAD.  Were we all so blindsighted by this new sewer system?  How does the town plan to compensate people that lost business from the failed system?
9:54 pm edt 

Pier View
 
I sat at the end of the pier on the bench by the Boston Ferry for 20 minutes. Overheard 2 conversations admiring the artsy looking wind generator and hoping the town would add more in time. (I hear that's the goal) As I left the bench, a couple of older tourist marvelled how the "new Wharf" looked compared to several years ago. As I passed the Harbor Master's office, a couple with their young child thanked one of guys from the office for pointing out the "really clean restroom complete with changing table and for the general town info they these 1st time tourist. As I arrived at Lopes Square some "old hippies" lamented how they missed "old artsy PTown" and how great it was that at least the pier was showcasing the type of street art from ears gone by. Toss in a couple of happy boaters, a few exiting visitors to the museum and just the gerneral joy on this beutiful day on the most pictures place in town I wondered--just what would all these happy folks think if they had to read MS C and her naysayers rantings? Just goes to show ya the proof is in the pudding.  Thank you PPPC and all involved for your efforts
11:53 am edt 

Re: Sewer System

Anyone know what's going on with the sewer system...it still seems to be down in the West End...
11:51 am edt 

Re: Fireworks

The fireworks were wonderful this evening! Thanks to everyone who made them happen. Happy Fourth of July America~ PJ
11:50 am edt 

No More Taxes!

1% of $1,000,000 is $10,000 - $10,000 is a lot of money.  In the world of real estate deals have gone sour over hundreds of dollars.  The questions is not "would new owners walk away from their purchases if forced to pay a 1% real estate trasfer tax?" Michael Rogosvsky can pose the question, but he certainly can't answer it for these new owners.  The big question is "What will the town do with this increased revenue?"  The town has a history of spending money foolishly - why do we want to give them more?

Paul Soares
11:49 am edt 

No Barking....Please!

I understand that everyone in town wants to increase business but I'm distressed about the aggressive "barking" going on in front of the new eateries across from town hall.  I mean, it's just not cool to be hollering at tourists (or in this case a local on the way to the post office) to come in and eat and bla, bla, bla.  Listen, you want to have someone hold a menu and answer questions--fine.  But must we really descend into cheap, loud begging and prodding of passersby to get them in?  This is so tacky.  I know that in any travel I've ever done, the second someone starts hollering at me from the entrance of a restaurant that's the second I speed up my pace and seek out another place to eat...someplace where I don't feel like I've been suckered in by some flim-flam yahoo. This new development in the "barking" business is just bad form.
11:48 am edt 

A Tax is a Tax is a..............

Mr. Rogovsky writes:

"..Would these buyers really walk away from these properties if there was a 1% transfer tax. We need to find ways to raise money to fund what we need in this town and take the burden off of the taxpayers."
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A transfer tax is another tax Michael, no matter how you slice it.  The taxpayers will be paying another tax.  A tax is a tax.
11:46 am edt 

Cut Us Some Slack!

New Police Station wanted and now a new expedition?  Give me a break.....   What will he ask for next?
11:45 am edt 

The Stuff of Life

"Life is what happens to you while you make other plans", Ann Lander's once wrote. How true; how true.

I'm of the Woodstock generation and I came here and planted my heart and soul in the dunes here and this is my life. I bought a house--and that seems to be my ultimate death sentence. why?--because as a home owner I can never be eligible for affordable housing.

Provincetown is the Jewel of New England; it will never be developed beyond it's boarders and thus will never become another Hyannis.

Conversely, the taxes here are going do me in as they have done in others because I came here to follow my dream and I work here for Provincetown wages on Commercial street and I live here but how much longer can I physically do the work is the nagging question.

What I CAN DO is sell my house and move to another New England village on the water's edge--and there are a few--but that is easy to say as I sit in my yard after spending this lovely day at the beach--but the reality is that it will just break my hear in two if I have to leave here.

If I was a renter, I could apply for affordable housing--but I own my own home and there is no help for people like my family.

I should look back on my life here and see how privileged I am to have followed my dream and to be living such a wonderful life--but this is what faces me as I enter my 60s-I'm older and I just don't have the stamina to work as I did in the past.

We live in the present--which is a good thing; but now I face a future that means that I must leave Provincetown because I can't work all of the jobs that I worked in the past.

This is our destiny. And I wonder, what happens when our destination restaurants close? When these owners retire and their restaurants close down--look at all of the workers who will be out of work.

I bought a brand new car in 1970 for $3,000--that is almost the cost of my betterment fee for connecting to the waste water treatment plant--imagine that!!

What a sad tail of woe I write here--but beware--this will  happen to many of you down the road. You think that you are sitting pretty and then you take another job and another and another and then you have no more time left in your week--and the bills keep coming and coming and coming.

This is what happens in life sometimes even when we take precautions against such things. We get hit at every town meeting by people who only pay rent and who make us homeowners pay more and more and then draw blood and more blood; wait until it happens to you--and it will! and then you will write what I'm writing and feel what I'm feeling and then you will have to make the same decisions that I may have to make and it will break your heart as mine is breaking as I try to comprehend what awaits me in the future. Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans--but we aren't taught how to deal with it.
Adieu and God bless--signed-Provincetown resident over 60 years old.
11:44 am edt 

Community Involvement

What we need is the Banknorth Community Center; the Seamen's Bank amphitheater; The Nautilus club playground; the Hiram Mason's lodge Municipal garage, the Ted Malone affordable housing park and the P.G.B.-P.C.C. transportation center -- rather than another burden on the taxpayers.

Happy Independence Day,

Michael Rogovsky.
11:40 am edt 

Friday, July 3, 2009

There is no Need For a 1% Tax on Real Estate Sales

There shouldn't be any new town taxes or increased fees until the town manager and the BOS reign in their spending habits.

Paul Soares
5:09 pm edt 

BOS Chair and Fireworks

Glad the town is having fireworks on the 4th.  (Doesn't help my business, but good for the town)
I am wondering if our dear chair of the BOS gave any dollars to the fire works fund?  (From Lilly pond)  IF anyone knows for sure, would like to know.
5:07 pm edt 

It's About Tax Relief

Ms. Barbara Rushmore was the genesis of the 1% transfer tax..and now it will be become the baby of the Board of Selectmen.

The woman who bought the boatslip; the man who bought the Murchison property; the folks who bought little gorgeous things; the male couple who bought Level and turned it into the fabulous Waterford (with a grand piano on the top deck!)

Would these buyers really walk away from these properties if there was a 1% transfer tax. We need to find ways to raise money to fund what we need in this town and take the burden off of the taxpayers.

Michael Rogovsky
5:06 pm edt 

We Need Other Sources of Income

We need to get automated gates for our parking lots--we don't need to pay people for this job.

We need to pass Ms. Barbara Rushmore's article at the Nov. town meeting--and she needs to put it at 1%--it can always be lowered by an amendment from town hall floor.

We need to cut back on expenses--we can't afford to pay and pay and pay.

We aren't all trust fund babies or multi-home owners.
5:02 pm edt 

Provincetown Housing Cost

Just paid $2,600 in taxes and I'm told that we will need to pay about $4,000 in November. Then I have my $2,500 betterment fee. House insurance, car insurance, health insurance.

Where I work, we are doing half of the business that we did last year at this time.

A guy I know is going to be losing his housing because where he is living is going into foreclosure; his landlord wants to rent the place weekly for the "Big Bucks". (If the place rents, he has to obviously leave for that week.)

**As aside about real estate: real estate has created more millionaires than any other business.
5:00 pm edt 

Take the Ugly Vinyl Off and Fix the Plumbing

That is your "new" police station. That is the last thing we need in this recession economy and with overrides after overrides. Be realistic, if that is possible.

It is ugly but take off the terrible vinyl siding and find cedarshingles beneath. Then get a few good town plumbers and let them fix the plumbing problem. It is not a police station problem. It is a plumbing issue that should be fixed and then let's get on with the work of policing.
4:58 pm edt 

Thursday, July 2, 2009

It is Now Time for the Citizens of Provincetown to Add a 1% Cost to Any Property Sold

We used to have multi family homes--known as tenements. Now these individual apartments are sold as condos. I've seen them listed in the paper and they sell for more than half a million dollars.

It is now time for the citizens of Provincetown to add a 1% cost to any property sold which is to be paid by the seller. Almost all of us here bought our homes--and a 1% cost would not have stopped any of us.

It is time for us to get what we need--not just what we want.
11:04 pm edt 

Re: We Must Support Ms. Barbara Rushmore's Article on the Warrant and Raise it to 1%

That's an excellent idea, she should keep bringing it back and raise it 1/2 percent each time she brings it back.  Because the people who didn't vote for it a 0.5% are sure to vote for it if it's a higher rate.

Are you serious?  Ms. Rushmore needs to stop wasting everyone's time.  NO means NO, no matter how many times she asks.  She use to be cute, now she's become a pain.
11:02 pm edt 

Fair vs Fair

I got a ticket parked on commercial street (Only there for 3 1/2 minutes.  Hardly enough time for the ticket to be written) but Twistered sisters can park the little SMART CAR all day long on commercial street?  What gives?  WHO KNOWS WHOM?  And I opened up a new small shop right across from Marine specility, and got 2 tickes WAY BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED, JUST UNLOADING ITEMS FOR THE SHOP.  Who don't I know?

LETS BE FAIR OFFICERS
10:59 pm edt 

Town Renters Decide the Fate of Taxpayers

I'm living on a working wage and yet I own a house here so my taxes are going up and up and up.

We need to find other sources of income. In Colorado Springs, the DPW is almost defunct--they are reduced to filling pot holes. There is no money.

We are a small community. We homeowners are paying big taxes because our houses are worth so much money. I wish that I had two homes here so I could sell one. What will the future be for me and my family? What in the world will it be?

We are town of renters who are deciding the fate of the taxpayer--and it isn't fair. They spend our money on what they want--and NOT ON WHAT THE TOWN NEEDS.
LET THAT BE OUR NEW SOLGAN.
10:58 pm edt 

Second Home Foreclosures

People bought these second homes thinking they could rent them for the summer (under the over-inflated advice of the realtors), use them during the off season and then profit from their sales.  They were/are real estate speculators and, guess what, they made bad decisions.  Banks gave them mortgages with income assumptions that never materialized.  Go unrented for 2 or 3 weeks and you're now behind on your mortgage.

Real estate speculation is risky business.  People are greedy when they see double digit returns that they are missing out on and then they jump into the market.  Often, they jump too late.  They took a risk.  Do I feel sorry for them, sure.  But business is business and in Provincetown  Real Estate is a business.  Sadly it is not home ownership, but a business.

Our parents bought homes thinking of staying in a place forever.  People buy in Provincetown thinking how much real estate wealth they can accumulate.

And I do put some of the blame on the realtors.  It is a cut throat business and they will tell you just about anything to make a sale, including how much you can make in the rental income market.

There's a sucker born every minute.
10:54 pm edt 

We Must Support Ms. Barbara Rushmore's Article on the Warrant and Raise it to 1%


I feel that she should have waited until November to present this..my taxes are too high--but we need a new police station etc.

What we need are new sources of income: automated parking lots; 1% tax on property sold that is paid by the buyer etc.

Lets pass Ms. Rushmore's amendment. Lets have a planning study done of the tranportation center and parks etc. lets do it for all of us and lets use CPA money for the parks and green areas.
5:45 pm edt 

Wow! Does This Blog Have Power!

I posted this AM concerning the stairs at Hsrring Cove and this
afternoon I checked and they are installed.
Thanks PACC and thanks National Sea Shore!!!!

Life is good!
5:43 pm edt 

Second Home Owners

There seems to be a misunderstanding that second home owners are always wealthy because they have a second home.  However, the rate of foreclosures amongst second home owners is significantly higher than for first homes.   Second homes are the first thing to go in a bad economy.   Have you seen many homes selling in PTown??   No!   However, there are foreclosure postings every week in the Banner.  I anticipate that the mumber of foreclosures of second homes in PTown is significantly higher than the number of sales.  Based on the letter to the editor in today's Banner from Barbara Rushmore, she simply does not understand that an additional tax on the sale of a house will further decimate the real estate market.   She continually asserts that the buyer will pay the tax, not the seller, but any real estate expert understands that any buyer will simply negotiate to have the seller pay the tax so the poor seller can get rid of their underwater house in order to avoid foreclosure.!
   We need to be stimulating real estate sales rather than stifiling.
5:42 pm edt 

Re: Herring Cove Beach

Does anyone know if the National Seashore plans to replace the stairs which were in front of the beachhourse/snack bar at Herring Cove Beach?   The stairs were destroyed by a storm last fall. They are essential for access to the beach from the large parking lot.  Also are they going
to open the snack bar this year?
12:14 pm edt 

I Just Paid My Taxes and I Will Have to Pay $4,000 or so More in Taxes in November

Meanwhile, the "teacher's Pet" at work, who is a foreign worker, buys a car and now expensive presents that he sends off to the island to his wife.

Meanwhile, the rest of us have hours taken away. There are people clamoring for work yet this "Teacher's Pet" has the "Green Carpet" rolled out for him on this job.

I thought that you had to hire local first, but if you are willing to be a servant instead of just a worker--then the cash flows in for the slacker while the resentment among the rest of us builds.
11:51 am edt 

Re: Buying in Provincetown is Not a Good Financial Investment
 

"Are you Nuts?

Any USA town that you bought real-estate over the last 2 or 3 years, you would have LOST money if you sold it today.  NO DIFFERENT THAN HERE.  
YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER for thinking Ptown would or should be different.  And your right,  GO GET LOST AND GET OUT OF HERE.  If I knew who you were, I would help PAY YOU TO LEAVE"

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Provincetown is different than other towns in the USA. The majority of people who buy real estate in Provincetown are second home owners  or those that are extremely wealthy  who can afford to buy in a resort town. And it will almost always be the second home owner driving the majority of the real estate market in Provincetown. This is not the case in every other city or town in the USA where the local job market and schools tend to be the priority when making a buy decision.  There are very few job opportunities in Provincetown that can support market-rate home ownership.
11:49 am edt 

Re: Ptown Not a Good Financial Investment
 
I bought my second home here in '05 at the height of the market and guess what ?  IT IS THE BEST MONEY I HAVE EVER SPENT !

I have enjoyed every moment in Ptown that I can be here and will end up retiring here. There is no place that I have been to that can match the communal spirit of this town.  Ptown is a gem !  Yes, there are problems but in general this is a wonderful town to reside.

Now before you all think I'm some "idealist" - guess again.
I am very tough in business and analyze every business decision that I make inside and out. My favorable experience has only confirmed that if I can see what this town has to offer - it is only a matter of time before Ptown becomes the "Gay Nantucket" regardless of whether Marc Jacobs gets married here.

There are alot of gay people with money that want to be in this "gem" by the sea.
11:46 am edt 

Re: Are You Kidding Me

"Look at our rates - they are 1/2 of Boston, 1/4 of NY and 1/10 of Miami.   What mess ?"
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You fail to consider Provincetown has the lowest per [capita] captial income on the Cape and one of the lowest in the state. How about a fair comparison based on per capita income?
10:04 am edt 

Re: Buying in Provincetown is Not a Good Investment

Your point is excellent - this town does put incredible burdens on its property owners and that is unwise - this town needs to get with the program and realize where its "bread is buttered".  As a second homeowner who pays big taxes I am sick and tired of a small group of "locals" getting in a room and making decisions that is in their best interest which totally ignore the second home owner.

I still believe that this town is a great investment though in the long term. It is simply supply and demand. There may be alot of homes on the market right now in Ptown but this is one of the worst financial times in our countries history and it is somewhat to be expected.

Provincetown was named one of it[if] not THE destination for gay people. Truro, Wellfleet, Eastham, Orleans and Chatham etc will NEVER be Provincetown. If one is gay - most want to be in PTown - a huge and international market. So times may stink right now but I still believe this town will become the "Gay Nantucket" and nothing would make me happier.  
9:16 am edt 

Tax Burden ?

Are you kidding me - look at our rates - they are 1/2 of Boston, 1/4 of NY and 1/10 of Miami.   What mess ?  The fact that yes we need to fix town hall, need a new police station, need to address - like every other town - the costs of benefits for town employees.   What are you talking about ?   You think you have a burden in this town ?   Go to LA fool.
9:12 am edt 

Re: Buying in Provincetown is Not a Good Financial Investment

"In my opinion the town should be doing more to entice buyers to buy in Provincetown given property owners are much of the bread and butter.":
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Could you explain that please?  Why should the town be enticing buyers?  The town is assessing taxes on properties whether you own it or not.  Even if a large percentage of properties went into foreclosure and became bank owned, the bank still pays property tax as the current owners.  Even if the property values fall, the tax levy is still spread over the entire tax base.

The town's economy is not based on real estate investor's or speculator's no matter what the realtors in this town think.  So not only do I not understand why we should be enticing you to buy but I could care less one way or the other if you do.
9:11 am edt 

Are you Nuts?
 
Any USA town that you bought real-estate over the last 2 or 3 years, you would have LOST money if you sold it today.  NO DIFFERENT THAN HERE.  
YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER for thinking Ptown would or should be different.  And your right,  GO GET LOST AND GET OUT OF HERE.  If I knew who you were, I would help PAY YOU TO LEAVE
9:09 am edt 

It's a Wonderful Life!

From the time I moved here 30 years ago until after a party I attended last night--I've heard people with stars in their eyes say how they wish that they could live here.

There are a few thousand millionaires just around Boston--take this entire country and look at how many there are. Where else is there a town surrounded by the National seashore where life styles are so accepted?

Every scientific study conducted comes to one conclusion: people want to live by the water. That is a fact of life.

We offer so much here. Our real estate Market will be hearty and hail.
9:07 am edt 

Public Pier Corporation

Yeah, that 'ill really help the tourists get from their cars in MPL to the Wyhdah Museum. Yeah, allowing them to have a sign on their door that takes up town air space. Can you possibly squeeze the pirate museum that kids adore anymore?
9:06 am edt 

Re: Buying in Provincetown is Not a Good Financial Investment

"WHAT ?  I am a second homeowner in Ptown and I can't think of a better Real estate investment.  20% of this town is buildable and there is an international market for demand.
Do you see Marc Jacobs and his celebrity guests going to Chatham to get married ?  I would love to see this town become the next "Gay Nantucket"."
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Did you see Marc Jacobs get married in Provincetown?  He got married in Europe - not Provincetown - and what celebrities came for the weekend that did not happen?

Provincetown is Provincetown - gay, straight - you won't see a market like Nantucket for a while in Provincetown. many people are upside down in their mortgages - read the local papers and keep an eye out for foreclosures  
9:04 am edt 

I Could be Wrong:

After reading a few comments and being quite sure where they are coming from maybe the sign attatched to the fence at the new bow wow park should be addressed. Looks like off site advertising to me. Maybe the PPPC put it there!!!!!!!
9:02 am edt 

Wednesday, July 1, 2009

Public Pier Corporation

The Whydah Museum has a sign on the pier.  It hangs from the front of the museum over the town pier.  The town pier goes right up to the threshold of their front door.  Therefore their sign is hanging over the pier now.
6:20 pm edt 

Re: Buying in Provincetown is Not a Good Financial Investment

I think you are looking at it from a romanticized point-of-view as opposed to facts  hoping your purchase put you in the next Gay Nantucket. And I hope, also from the romanticized point-of-view, that your aspirations come true. I have been looking for a property in P-Town for over a year. If I bought what I liked last year and wanted to sell now, I would have lost a considerable chunk of change.

I think if you asked most who bought property in P-Town over the last two to three years, if the investment was a good one, you would get mainly no for an answer. And I think if you look at all of the properties that are for sale now (some on the market for two or three years) with price drop after price drop, many who bought property several years ago hoping it would pay-off over time are realizing returns are nominal, with many actually losing money. In my opinion, not many folks are all that interested in buying in Provincetown and the glut of unmoving homes for sale pretty much proves this point.

And why should they? Granted, the world has slowed down. But the P-Town tax burden is put 100% on property owners who dont have a say in the towns tax system. And clearly the town is fine with this, which is all well and good. My point is this: If townspeople think they are going to correct the financial issues Provincetown is facing by continuously increasing taxes on property owners, the pool of potential owners is going to continue to dry up. Buyers are watching.

And as I see it, its only going to get worse. In my opinion the town should be doing more to entice buyers to buy in Provincetown given property owners are much of the bread and butter. Continuously seeing tax the property owners for this and that isnt the solution to turning the mess around. Because potential buyers (ok, in this case, me) will continue to wait and see how property owners are treated as the financial mess continues to unfold before making any investment in town property.

And now I am sure I will hear comments such as stay away and we dont want you here. But be careful, you need the buyers in your current, and what will likely be long-term, financial mess.
3:02 pm edt 

Public Pier Corporation

Let me get this straight:the Wydah Museum that's on the pier, can't have a sign but you can advertise on the pier for something that is NOT operating from the pier? Who set that policy? Do they have a full set of teeth?
12:56 pm edt 

Public Pier Corporation

Somebody tell the owners of the Kayak business at Whaler's Wharf that they should be able to advertise their business on MacMillan Pier too!
12:54 pm edt 

I Agree: Too Many Town Meetings

And this is not because it is good and sound government. No. It's done to cut up the huge price to fix town hall and present the three different "bills" and three different overrides. Town meetings were created to pass the renovations and make certain our town officials will be situated sooner then later in new offices.

Town voters are treated as no more then pawns to moved around and shuffled. This is not leadership by either Sharon Lynn or MIchele Couture. It is manipulation.
12:53 pm edt 

Re: Buying in Provincetown is Not a Good Financial Investment

WHAT ?  I am a second homeowner in Ptown and I can't think of a better Real estate investment.  20% of this town is buildable and there is an international market for demand.
Do you see Marc Jacobs and his celebrity guests going to Chatham to get married ?  I would love to see this town become the next "Gay Nantucket".  
12:52 pm edt 

To Self Dealing on MacMillan Pier

Can you be more specific or is this just more useless spiteful hearsay from a cantankerous unfulfilled soul!
8:30 am edt 

Taxes on Property Owners
 
Folks who think a buyers, sellers and whatever other tax should be put on property owners in provincetown should take a good hard look at the real estate market and the long-term prospects for recovery. buying in provincetown is simply not a good financial investment. why would anyone buy there?
8:29 am edt 

Public Pier Corporation

Yeah, XXX's Oil should advertise too on the pier! Or, how about Cabral's...slips available at....

What a racket certain people got going on the pier.
8:28 am edt 

148 People Attended Town Meeting? That's All Who Were There?
 
This is the summer. People are back from winter vacation and the total number of people who attended is only 148. That is few people. That means many town voters boycotted this meeting. There are more people who attend in the winter on the second night when all is dull.

So there was hardly enough people to hold a town meeting. 148 is too few. People have given up.
8:26 am edt 

Where is Summer??

My crops are dying and so are my sales. Help!
8:25 am edt 


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